**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 07 02:59:57 2009 Aug 07 07:07:23 mrmoku|away: vala-native won't stage now Aug 07 07:19:38 i'nothere Aug 07 07:47:19 Ainulindale, (frameworkd-config --> -dev) I was playing with PROVIDES_${PN} in frameworkd-config-shr and ended with an image that did have frameworkd-config installed Aug 07 07:47:26 and had NO -dev package Aug 07 07:56:13 im in a linux con trying to showoff my moko Aug 07 07:56:21 :) Aug 07 08:18:44 heyho Aug 07 08:21:06 TAsn: good luck! :-) Aug 07 08:22:07 good morning Aug 07 08:22:54 hey ptitjes Aug 07 08:23:02 hi morphis Aug 07 08:23:08 how are you ? Aug 07 08:23:32 fine, all exams behind me Aug 07 08:23:40 :) Aug 07 08:24:21 great Aug 07 08:24:23 congrats :) Aug 07 08:24:31 thanks :) Aug 07 08:24:37 and how are you? Aug 07 08:25:01 fine too Aug 07 08:25:03 btw. I looked a little bit on libmodulo Aug 07 08:25:07 in holidays :) Aug 07 08:25:12 hehe Aug 07 08:25:17 in the south of france :) Aug 07 08:25:29 sun is shining? Aug 07 08:25:34 morphis: did you like it ? (Modulo) Aug 07 08:25:45 morphis: kind of ;) (sun) Aug 07 08:25:55 ptitjes: I seems to be great, but I think I don't get it completly Aug 07 08:26:23 morphis: just ask ;p Aug 07 08:26:28 TAsn: which linux con are you at? Aug 07 08:26:44 or were Aug 07 08:26:45 ptitjes: first I try to run the samples Aug 07 08:26:51 they don't work Aug 07 08:26:57 for me Aug 07 08:26:59 morphis: yep this miss a howto :) Aug 07 08:27:12 morphis: did you do --conf= ? Aug 07 08:27:17 ptitjes: first I don't get was the --conf option :) Aug 07 08:27:19 jep Aug 07 08:27:55 when I start the foo-server I get a uncaught exception: No service for key: yo Aug 07 08:28:19 the I tryed to start foo-client Aug 07 08:28:21 mrmoku|away: I fixed all of the -dev issues Aug 07 08:28:26 ALthough I had no evas-engine Aug 07 08:28:30 And now some vala packages won't compile Aug 07 08:28:52 /home/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/vala-native-0.7.4+0.7.5-fso2-r0/temp/run.staging_helper.6109: line 770: syntax error near unexpected token `done' Aug 07 08:29:04 which tolds me about a glib assertion error and that the FooClient.Baz component can't launched Aug 07 08:29:26 And i know why Aug 07 08:29:28 I did that Aug 07 08:30:34 ptitjes: but I am currently looking a the ophonekitd sources to write a simple program which uses libmodulo Aug 07 08:32:19 morphis: could you try to sudo make install Aug 07 08:32:59 morphis: and then run the installed version with --conf= Aug 07 08:33:13 ptitjes: will try Aug 07 08:33:53 ptitjes: get the same error Aug 07 08:34:05 s/get/got/ Aug 07 08:34:05 morphis meant: ptitjes: got the same error Aug 07 08:34:11 morphis: also edit the conf file and change the logger levels Aug 07 08:34:43 ptitjes: logger app has debug level? Aug 07 08:34:44 logger defined in line 6 of sample-dbus-server.conf is shipped with level "error" Aug 07 08:34:56 change that to "debug" just as the next line Aug 07 08:35:19 and you'll have lots of output Aug 07 08:35:21 done and works Aug 07 08:35:27 can you paste me that please Aug 07 08:35:29 :) Aug 07 08:36:11 morphis: I suspect some missing service resolution because of missing GIR file or something like this Aug 07 08:38:16 ptitjes: http://pastebin.com/m66db0b65 Aug 07 08:38:49 he told me that he could not open the samples directory in /usr/share/gir-1.0 Aug 07 08:39:08 but I installed libmodulo into /opt/fso Aug 07 08:39:33 or maybe yo-service is not available cause it is provided by the foo-client? Aug 07 08:39:52 stefan_schmidt: oï :-) Aug 07 08:41:19 ptitjes: forgot about my last message Aug 07 08:41:40 hi Ainulindale Aug 07 08:41:48 Ainulindale: congrats for your new job Aug 07 08:41:55 stefan_schmidt: thanks a lot :-) Aug 07 08:41:59 hey stefan_schmidt Aug 07 08:42:02 I hope we'll be able to help yours as well ;-) Aug 07 08:42:11 Ainulindale: you got a new job? Aug 07 08:42:22 PaulFertser: I have thought again about our discussion from yesterday. Maybe there is an option that fir our both needs Aug 07 08:42:27 morphis: yep Aug 07 08:42:32 hi morphis Aug 07 08:42:39 Ainulindale: a good one? Aug 07 08:42:56 Ainulindale: but my congrats as well :) Aug 07 08:43:16 Thanks :-) Aug 07 08:43:21 Well I'll work for Bearstech Aug 07 08:43:29 The french OM reseller Aug 07 08:43:40 and with shr as primary target? Aug 07 08:44:34 That is what we hope, right? Aug 07 08:44:49 morphis: that is the contrary Aug 07 08:44:53 morphis: Not at all Aug 07 08:45:01 morphis: foo-server is using IOC for his internal services Aug 07 08:45:02 I don't intend to work on SHR on my professional time Aug 07 08:45:10 ptitjes: IOC? Aug 07 08:45:17 Inversion of control? Aug 07 08:45:24 morphis: and foo-client is using IOC for its internal services and also to access a dbus service exported by foo-server Aug 07 08:45:27 I don't intend to be paid for it anyway Aug 07 08:45:29 Ainulindale: sad Aug 07 08:45:32 morphis: yep Inversion Of Control Aug 07 08:45:49 morphis: I'll still work on it, and we're trying to get h:1 close to FSO :-) Aug 07 08:45:53 ptitjes: but as I see foo-client only uses services from foo-server Aug 07 08:46:13 morphis: so yes the problem is that it can't access the Foo-*.gir files Aug 07 08:46:46 morphis: that stupid conf file has its metadata provider configured with private-directory="samples" Aug 07 08:46:46 ah ok Aug 07 08:47:03 morphis: hence the message ** Message: 2009/08/07 00:00:00 [ModuloGIRMetadataProvider@0xc5fc80] Can't open directory 'samples' Aug 07 08:47:17 morphis: run it from the project directory then and it should work Aug 07 08:47:29 ptitjes: I have a question on libfso-glib for you Aug 07 08:47:32 cd libmodulo Aug 07 08:47:34 about suing it in C Aug 07 08:47:37 *using Aug 07 08:47:51 ptitjes: oh I see that I changed it for the client already but not for the client Aug 07 08:47:54 foo-server --conf=samples/sample-sbud-server.conf Aug 07 08:48:11 Deubeuliou: yep ask Aug 07 08:48:21 I found several ways to, for instance, power up the antenna but only one is working. I looked at the generated code in C to find the other but they don't seem to work Aug 07 08:48:35 Deubeuliou: btw it seems to me that mrmoku|away made a tutorial for using it from C on the wiki Aug 07 08:48:47 the working one is to call free_smartphone_gsm_device_set_antenna_power(proxy, TRUE, &error) Aug 07 08:48:52 ah ? Aug 07 08:48:58 Deubeuliou: sereral ways to power up the antenna ??? Aug 07 08:49:02 ok, I'll look for it and come back then Aug 07 08:49:18 well, I thought so but the others don't work and I don't see why Aug 07 08:49:21 mrmoku|away: I assume the eject utility will be available no sooner than a new working build? I didn't find any installable pkg containing it via 'opkg list' on shr-u090703 Aug 07 08:49:24 ptitjes: it works Aug 07 08:49:30 Deubeuliou: sorry but what other ways ? Aug 07 08:49:36 morphis: good :) Aug 07 08:49:38 ptitjes: I always started the server from inside the samples directory Aug 07 08:49:54 morphis: if you have some time, would you like to make a tutorial on the wiki :) ??? Aug 07 08:50:25 morphis: so now run the client in the same way, and you'll see the interaction in both server and clients Aug 07 08:50:26 mrmoku|away: if you update on the buildhost check testlab.class first Aug 07 08:50:28 casting the proxy to an interface with the macro (wait a minute) Aug 07 08:50:35 mrmoku|away: I just commented out some stuff for us Aug 07 08:50:41 In order to avoid the dot generation Aug 07 08:50:43 It annoys me Aug 07 08:51:32 Deubeuliou: the proxy implements the GSM.Device interface Aug 07 08:51:53 ptitjes: now the client dies with a segfault Aug 07 08:52:07 morphis: hummm.... no output ? Aug 07 08:52:29 ptitjes: and complains about that the can't cast from DBusGProxy to FooFooService Aug 07 08:52:45 (foo-client:10258): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `DBusGProxy' to `FooFooService' Aug 07 08:52:57 morphis: could you paste the complete output in debug please ? Aug 07 08:53:17 morphis: humm what vala version do you use ? Aug 07 08:53:44 nearly current vala-lang.git from fso Aug 07 08:53:46 ptitjes: FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_DEVICE_GET_INTERFACE (proxy)->get_antenna_power (proxy, &error); Aug 07 08:53:50 where proxy is Aug 07 08:54:11 ptitjes: by the way ophonekitd-vala doesn't compile Aug 07 08:54:12 FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_DEVICE(free_smartphone_get_proxy(bus, "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd", "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device", "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device", FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_TYPE_DEVICE)) Aug 07 08:54:21 Deubeuliou: the recommended way to use GLib virtual functions is to use the function wrapper Aug 07 08:55:05 ptitjes: http://pastebin.com/m4155d844 Aug 07 08:55:06 morphis: what branch ? Aug 07 08:55:30 in the generated code C, I found Aug 07 08:55:32 void free_smartphone_gsm_device_set_antenna_power (FreeSmartphoneGSMDevice* self, gboolean antenna_power, GError** error) { FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_DEVICE_GET_INTERFACE (self)->set_antenna_power (self, antenna_power, error); Aug 07 08:55:59 ptitjes: pending-upstream-move Aug 07 08:56:04 so I figured out I could do the same instead of calling the function. but that doesn't work Aug 07 08:56:07 Deubeuliou: ^^^^that is the wrapper function Aug 07 08:56:15 ptitjes: last commit from Jul 21 Aug 07 08:56:23 Deubeuliou: just use that and don't rely on the virtual function pointers Aug 07 08:56:31 ptitjes: (howto) jepp will write something in the wiki Aug 07 08:56:36 Deubeuliou: you are using C not C++ Aug 07 08:57:19 ptitjes: the virtual function pointers should work properly, shouldn't they? Aug 07 08:57:24 That's how we did in libframeworkd-glib Aug 07 08:57:37 (and what about ophonekitd-vala not compiling?) Aug 07 08:57:48 Ainulindale: sure this works, but the recommended way is to use the wrappers Aug 07 08:57:57 it doesn't work Aug 07 08:58:18 Recommended by who and where? Aug 07 08:58:24 that's not so bad, but the function names are too long Aug 07 08:58:32 Ainulindale: I don't know what does not build Aug 07 08:58:41 Ainulindale: GLib tutorials Aug 07 08:58:42 It just won't generate C Aug 07 08:58:50 Deubeuliou: C is bad Aug 07 08:58:52 WHining about object Resource Aug 07 08:58:56 C isn't bad. Aug 07 08:59:01 Deubeuliou: long function names are the way it is in C Aug 07 08:59:10 Not if you can use function pointers Aug 07 08:59:20 Ainulindale: C == long function names or ununderstandable function names Aug 07 08:59:29 So what? Aug 07 08:59:33 I don't understand why freesmartphone-gsm.c can use FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_DEVICE_GET_INTERFACE (self)->set_antenna_power (self, antenna_power, error); Aug 07 08:59:40 and not another program Aug 07 08:59:40 Ainulindale: you can, but wrappers are made to hide ABI changes Aug 07 08:59:44 aybe I miss comething Aug 07 08:59:49 You're missing the point ptitjes Aug 07 08:59:58 Anyway, no time to talk about that in yet another useless church fight Aug 07 09:00:18 Ainulindale: GLib interfaces structs needs padding Aug 07 09:00:30 Ainulindale: hence it is recommended to use wrapper functions Aug 07 09:01:00 Deubeuliou: what does not work ? Aug 07 09:01:01 ptitjes: No link whatsoever with what we were talking about, nevermibd Aug 07 09:01:09 In any case, ophonekitd-vala won't compile. Aug 07 09:01:13 FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_DEVICE_GET_INTERFACE (self)->set_antenna_power (self, antenna_power, error); Aug 07 09:01:15 And we have no sample/howto for libfso-glib Aug 07 09:01:17 Ainulindale: ok great Aug 07 09:01:38 Ainulindale: if you don't tell me what does not build I won't be of any help Aug 07 09:01:43 Ainulindale: ask mrmoku|away Aug 07 09:01:48 Ainulindale: for the tutorial Aug 07 09:01:53 10:57:13 < Ainulindale> It just won't generate C Aug 07 09:01:56 10:57:23 < Ainulindale> WHining about object Resource Aug 07 09:01:57 ptitjes: "Resource" is not found Aug 07 09:02:16 maybe ResourceName no ? Aug 07 09:02:27 ptitjes: looked at the output? Aug 07 09:02:32 Ainulindale: mickey|zzZZzz changed some stuff in the specs without notifying Aug 07 09:02:42 Ainulindale: I had no time to update opkd's code Aug 07 09:03:01 morphis: line 24 is a problem Aug 07 09:03:29 ptitjes: the new instance of type(null)? Aug 07 09:03:51 morphis: yep should be FooInterface.Foo or something Aug 07 09:06:20 morphis: I don't know where to go from this Aug 07 09:06:41 morphis: could you please try to pull vala and rebuild, reinstall it please Aug 07 09:07:08 morphis: then make clean libmodulo and rebuild (check that valac is called correctly else remove the *.stamp) Aug 07 09:08:03 ptitjes: jepp, already planed this but can not do currently cause of a very slow connection Aug 07 09:08:17 will do it later this day Aug 07 09:08:40 ptitjes: maybe I put the howto in the repository in samples/howto? Aug 07 09:17:57 ptitjes, did not do any howto yet... Aug 07 09:18:04 :( Aug 07 09:18:06 :p Aug 07 09:18:17 started to try to use libfso-glib in efl2... but nothing compilable yet Aug 07 09:18:33 will do one when I'm sure how and what Aug 07 09:18:41 Ainulindale, how did you fix the -dev stuff? Aug 07 09:18:45 oki Aug 07 09:18:48 * mrmoku checks OE diff on buildhost Aug 07 09:34:04 mrmoku: well I fixed the RPROVIDES Aug 07 09:34:22 lindi-: could you point me (and mrmoku) to the enveditor utility - once again, sorry? Aug 07 09:34:24 It has been commited Aug 07 09:35:01 Ainulindale, yep saw it Aug 07 09:35:20 Ainulindale, what about task-fso-compliance... Aug 07 09:35:25 we should not install that Aug 07 09:35:28 Ok all seems to be there Aug 07 09:35:29 Why? Aug 07 09:35:31 as it contains still the old muxer Aug 07 09:35:40 Old mixer may be necessary Aug 07 09:35:44 s/mix/mux/ Aug 07 09:35:44 Ainulindale meant: Old muxer may be necessary Aug 07 09:35:51 Ainulindale, really? Aug 07 09:36:16 Well else FSO would have changed the task :-) Aug 07 09:36:22 mrmoku: could you try latest image please? Aug 07 09:36:23 I can't right now Aug 07 09:36:31 Ainulindale, thing is there is task-fso2-compliance too Aug 07 09:36:37 I'm wondering if postinst will get through Aug 07 09:36:42 Then let us use that -) Aug 07 09:36:43 :-) Aug 07 09:36:48 which we can't yet use ;) Aug 07 09:36:55 because it contains stuff not ready yet Aug 07 09:36:58 meh :-) Aug 07 09:37:06 well let us just test what's in for now Aug 07 09:37:10 Check if it works Aug 07 09:37:15 If it works, rsync it Aug 07 09:37:17 Ainulindale, (postinst) I asked mickey|zzZZzz yesterday Aug 07 09:37:22 and? Aug 07 09:37:25 running opkg-cl configure on firstboot is needed Aug 07 09:37:32 so I just added it Aug 07 09:37:39 where did you add it? what? Aug 07 09:37:47 initscripts-shr in finish.sh Aug 07 09:38:09 So I need to regenerate an image? Aug 07 09:38:14 Ainulindale, not yet Aug 07 09:38:25 Hmpf :-) Aug 07 09:38:33 what do we do with the testlab changes? Aug 07 09:38:43 keep a local .patch to be applied after update? Aug 07 09:39:01 or do you think it can be comitted? Aug 07 09:40:38 Ainulindale, another thing... IIRC correctly we get both alsa scenarii Aug 07 09:41:21 mrmoku: for testlab Aug 07 09:41:24 let us just commit that in our image Aug 07 09:41:25 probably we should just have ours with maybe a symlink for path compatablility? Aug 07 09:41:42 well I don't know why we had the old one as I removed them Aug 07 09:42:20 mrmoku: I recommended similar procedure some weeks ago Aug 07 09:42:42 mrmoku: the two scenario dirs confusing hell out of users Aug 07 09:43:12 Ainulindale, it is RRECOMMENDed by alsa-state Aug 07 09:43:16 mrmoku: I have been told you wrote a tutorial on how to use libfso-glib in C code ? Aug 07 09:43:21 I can't find it Aug 07 09:43:30 probably another not working correctly provider Aug 07 09:43:33 Deubeuliou, not yet Aug 07 09:43:38 ok Aug 07 09:43:42 Deubeuliou, so no wonder you can't find it :) Aug 07 09:43:59 also a lot of tools aren't aware of the scenario-dir config redirection in framework*.conf Aug 07 09:44:04 Ainulindale, I would propose to just drop alsa-state and add our scenarii package to task-shr-minimal Aug 07 09:44:09 I'm writing C code with libfso-glib and that would lead tot a sample application Aug 07 09:44:12 mrmoku: I'm ok with it Aug 07 09:44:17 ok, will do Aug 07 09:44:27 and also drop fso-sounds and all the unneeded gst stuff Aug 07 09:44:35 we have to shrink the image once again :) Aug 07 09:44:43 ok with that too Aug 07 09:44:45 mrmoku: so those utilities try to operate on the "old" files, and will have no impact Aug 07 09:45:07 DocScrutinizer, what tools are that? Aug 07 09:45:42 Deubeuliou, if you want to start something... go ahead :D Aug 07 09:45:51 duh, I have NO comprehensive overview about all the scripts to tweak volume level in the world Aug 07 09:46:01 there is already something in h:1's SVN Aug 07 09:47:11 DocScrutinizer, having the code to the state files hardcoded somewhere is broken in the first place btw. Aug 07 09:47:40 yeah, scenario concept is broken by design ;-) Aug 07 09:49:36 still having two places to store statefiles with one of them nonfunct is similarly broken ;-P Aug 07 09:50:24 so your suggestion to have a symlink rather is much appreciated here Aug 07 09:50:33 Ainulindale, ok, building a local image to test now Aug 07 09:51:54 GOod :-) Aug 07 09:51:59 I'll be off soon Aug 07 09:52:06 I'm going in french bretagne for the week-end Aug 07 09:52:12 I hope I'll have a semi working connection somehow Aug 07 09:53:32 mrmoku: btw AIUI /usr/share/xyz is one of the FQN that are berfectly legal to hardcode anyway Aug 07 09:53:53 as is /bin or /var/log/xxx Aug 07 09:54:25 s/ber/per/ Aug 07 09:54:33 ouch Aug 07 10:02:14 moin dos1 :-) Aug 07 10:02:29 hey Aug 07 10:02:40 my eye is better today, i'll back to programming :) Aug 07 10:03:07 what happend to your eye? @.O Aug 07 10:03:57 i have swell (i hope it's good work, just checked in dictionary ;x) Aug 07 10:04:03 but today is much smaller than yesterday Aug 07 10:04:34 some inflammation Aug 07 10:04:35 some virus? Aug 07 10:04:43 yeah, nasty Aug 07 10:04:55 get well! :-) Aug 07 10:05:22 thanks :) Aug 07 10:07:00 DocScrutinizer, (hardcoding /usr/share) it conflicts with the possibility to set the path in frameworkd.conf though Aug 07 10:07:52 Ainulindale, ok, if the image is fine I will commit and regenerate the unstable images Aug 07 10:08:06 ack. anyway I support your idea to ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenatios /usr/share/shr/scenarii Aug 07 10:08:12 Ainulindale, btw. there was some report that gta01 kernel is too big Aug 07 10:08:44 DocScrutinizer, the other way round though :P Aug 07 10:09:18 DocScrutinizer, and then... that would still be only a hack Aug 07 10:09:20 no real fix Aug 07 10:10:04 mrmoku: to be honest I don't think setting scenarii-dir in frameworkd.conf seems a design flaw to me. should have been done by creating a symlink from beginning Aug 07 10:11:20 mrmoku: anyway a good hack surely is better here than an impossible fix ;) Aug 07 10:12:29 DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser would disagree ;) Aug 07 10:12:53 adding a hack to hide bugs... is generally a bad thing Aug 07 10:13:16 first instance statefiles are of type user-config and should live in $home anyway Aug 07 10:14:06 DocScrutinizer, and then... the statefils will vanish completely some day, no? Aug 07 10:14:27 mrmoku: noooo, the bug itself is the bad thing :-P Alas statefile concept was a bug from beginning Aug 07 10:15:28 mrmoku: there will be a different concept, yes. NO idea about migration and legacy stuff though ;-P Aug 07 10:16:17 mrmoku: (bug) if you absolutely can't fix the bug, then a hack is ok Aug 07 10:16:55 Ainulindale, your frameworkd-config thingie does not work :P Aug 07 10:17:10 it includes frameworkd-config instead of frameworkd-config-shr now :) Aug 07 10:18:22 DocScrutinizer, well then there are two bugs... the statefile concept and stuff hardcoding the path to them Aug 07 10:18:42 mrmoku: anyway, we got 4 bugs meanwhile. statefile-concept itself, location of statefile dir in a readonly dir, configuring this path in frameworkd.conf, and finally introduction of a second dir Aug 07 10:19:03 full of bugs we are :P Aug 07 10:19:27 * mrmoku wonders if a nice tiny little bug would give a good SHR logo ;) Aug 07 10:19:36 okay, it seems shr-image is building for the dream Aug 07 10:19:57 danwill, with what machine config? Aug 07 10:20:09 s/what/which(/ Aug 07 10:20:11 mrmoku meant: danwill, with which( machine config? Aug 07 10:20:11 ouch Aug 07 10:23:27 mrmoku: (full of bugs) seems to me only the last one is a SHR ticket ;-) Aug 07 10:24:26 mrmoku: and a meeting of bugs attracting new bugs isn't that uncommon ;-P Aug 07 10:25:41 often it's the only way to make things a little nicer to cover the imortal nasty old bugs with somewhat nicer new ones (aka hacks) Aug 07 10:26:41 I'd classify bug #3 and #4 of obove list like this Aug 07 10:28:01 alas often it turns out the new bugs aka hacks aren't particularly nicer than the ancient original one Aug 07 10:35:41 cu Aug 07 10:35:44 bye Aug 07 10:36:22 mrmoku: I'm using the raphael one at the moment Aug 07 10:36:50 mrmoku: Sorry, danwill is me from my XMPP IRC Transport Aug 07 10:38:14 aaah, DANiel WILlmann Aug 07 10:38:21 :-) Aug 07 10:38:38 heh, moin o/ Aug 07 10:40:21 alphaone, ahh :) Aug 07 10:40:48 alphaone, friend of mine has a SE X1 Aug 07 10:40:59 and there is some kernel work going on recently Aug 07 10:41:11 he managed to boot a kernel Aug 07 10:41:26 mrmoku: nice Aug 07 10:41:47 alphaone, will try to build him a nice SHR rootfs with rafael machine then :) Aug 07 10:41:55 Though the G1 seems to be pretty easy in terms of support Aug 07 10:42:04 At least calls work fine Aug 07 10:42:17 Which usually is a major blocker Aug 07 10:42:21 nice :) Aug 07 10:45:39 alphaone: isn't that the evil shared-mem modem interface? Aug 07 10:46:42 DocScrutinizer: Well, at least you can talk AT to it Aug 07 10:47:23 yes, but the hw-level interface... that's no UART, right? Aug 07 10:50:43 DocScrutinizer: Yeah Aug 07 10:54:26 can someone tell me how ophonekitd is advised of an incoming call ?, does the framework send a signal ? Aug 07 10:54:54 Deubeuliou, yep Aug 07 10:55:36 it's not part of the specs, is it ? and what signal is it ? Aug 07 10:55:51 Deubeuliou, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.html;hb=HEAD#CallStatus Aug 07 10:56:27 aaah ok Aug 07 10:56:45 nthanks mrmoku Aug 07 11:02:09 Deubeuliou, np :) Aug 07 11:04:32 alphaone: so I get it you finally managed to hack that bastard Aug 07 11:04:54 alphaone: the shared-mem if Aug 07 11:05:15 alphaone: that's good news indeed Aug 07 11:05:27 DocScrutinizer: No work needed for the G1 Aug 07 11:06:32 aah, I see. You ripped the android driver prolly then Aug 07 11:09:03 jup Aug 07 11:37:37 mrmoku: did you fix the frameworkd-config-shr issue? Aug 07 11:40:08 hello all.. i just want to ask how i could became a translatet file in my language to translate, what isn't translated Aug 07 11:40:45 if i had the full file in english and i translate everything, it's a little bit stupid, if someone else does this already Aug 07 11:45:51 Ainulindale, think so... yeah Aug 07 11:45:56 trying my image right now Aug 07 11:46:25 mrmoku: what did you do then? Aug 07 11:46:28 Ainulindale, +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_frameworkd-config-shr = "frameworkd-config-shr" Aug 07 11:46:44 the opkg-cl configure thing did not work though :( Aug 07 11:46:45 Well Aug 07 11:46:47 I did that Aug 07 11:46:49 And on the buildhost Aug 07 11:46:54 frameworkd-config-shr is here Aug 07 11:47:32 mrmoku: I guess you didn't rebuild frameworkd-config-shr Aug 07 11:47:34 I didn't bump PR Aug 07 11:47:37 Ainulindale, http://pastebin.com/d32790be5 Aug 07 11:47:41 -dev is RPROVIDING the package Aug 07 11:47:50 if you RPROVIDES only for ${PN} it's ok Aug 07 11:47:59 and I did oeclean shr-lite-image task-shr-minimal frameworkd-config-shr Aug 07 11:48:08 well Aug 07 11:48:10 (pastebin = oeclean) Aug 07 11:48:18 worked on the buildhost :-) Aug 07 11:48:21 check it yourself Aug 07 11:49:06 Ainulindale, ok, will retry without that then again Aug 07 11:49:20 Well maybe I just did something else Aug 07 11:49:35 Clean task-fso as well I'd say Aug 07 11:50:43 Ainulindale, image is 68550656 now Aug 07 11:50:49 which is still too big :( Aug 07 11:51:01 or is there a big difference somehwere between gta01/02 ? Aug 07 11:53:00 mrmoku, how did we get this fat? Aug 07 11:53:00 ;) Aug 07 11:53:58 TAsn, too much pasta :P Aug 07 11:54:08 ahh... you were talking about the image ;) Aug 07 11:54:29 mrmoku, once more, all our troubles come down to those crazy italians! :) Aug 07 11:55:04 aye ;) Aug 07 11:55:29 the top 25 in size: http://pastebin.com/d766a6aa0 Aug 07 11:56:33 mrmoku: which package nedds cpp? Aug 07 11:56:46 mrmoku, a config pack as 3.5 mb? Aug 07 11:56:57 and yeah, cpp wtf?! Aug 07 11:57:15 TAsn, it contains the sounds :P Aug 07 11:57:47 cpp is a good question though Aug 07 11:57:54 i c. Aug 07 11:58:51 Ainulindale, the limit for gta01 is somewhere around 62MB IIRC ? Aug 07 12:00:30 or was it 64MB Aug 07 12:01:18 64MB -uboot -kernel Aug 07 12:01:55 schasch, thanks :) Aug 07 12:02:13 TAsn, Heinervdm: e-wm --> edje-utils --> cpp seems to be the dependency chain Aug 07 12:02:46 seems odd. Aug 07 12:02:51 mrmoku: i do what I can :-) Aug 07 12:02:52 mrmoku, you should probably verify this dep Aug 07 12:03:03 edje-utis is probably somthing to compile edc and that needs prabably cpp... Aug 07 12:03:16 Heinervdm, yep, edje_cc/decc Aug 07 12:03:29 and that might need the gcc preprocessor Aug 07 12:03:39 though why does e-wm need edje-utils in the first place? Aug 07 12:04:21 schasch, kernel is max 2MB... how big is u-boot? Aug 07 12:05:43 raster, ping :) does e-wm actually really need edje-utils? Aug 07 12:07:20 mrmoku: 213,8 KB u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin Aug 07 12:07:34 ok Aug 07 12:07:56 schasch, so actually something less then 62MB left for rootfs :( Aug 07 12:08:22 mrmoku: yo ... less! Aug 07 12:09:15 mrmoku: I should have a look at printenv if you want to be sure... Aug 07 12:11:12 mrmoku: maybe for prepared for the future keep place for 3 MB kernel ? Aug 07 12:13:16 schasch, hehe, lets see how small we can get :P Aug 07 12:13:27 mrmoku: e-wm compiles without edje-utils, but can't ceck if it will run without it... Aug 07 12:13:55 Heinervdm, yeah, it has it as RDEPENDS Aug 07 12:14:03 removed that and trying another build now Aug 07 12:14:04 yes Aug 07 12:14:05 :-) Aug 07 12:14:26 then there is gsteamer... we don't need that anymore, right? Aug 07 12:14:49 mrmoku: whats with the kernel? is it put into the image? Aug 07 12:15:56 Heinervdm, good question, yes it is Aug 07 12:16:08 as thats needed for booting from SD :( Aug 07 12:16:25 ok, thats write... Aug 07 12:16:51 mickey|zzZZzz, frameworkd still depends on python-gst Aug 07 12:16:53 right ;) Aug 07 12:16:58 mickey|zzZZzz, is that needed any longer? Aug 07 12:18:08 mrmoku: subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: import gst as gst Aug 07 12:18:56 :( Aug 07 12:19:30 mrmoku: hmm, thats in class GStreamerPlayer Aug 07 12:20:01 Heinervdm, maybe not needed for gta01/02 ? Aug 07 12:20:03 mrmoku: (lets see how small we can get) seems hard to change partition size Aug 07 12:20:06 mrmoku: perhaps we can remove this class Aug 07 12:21:35 ok... have to go to the lake now Aug 07 12:21:42 will continue the shrinking-quest after that :) Aug 07 12:21:46 cu all Aug 07 12:21:54 mrmoku: we have 64MB NAND on GTA01. Substract from that the partitions sizes for all partions other than "/". Then substract fs-overhead (inodes etc). I guess we will see sth like 55MB for max rot image size Aug 07 12:22:07 netto Aug 07 12:25:10 mrmoku|away: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-dist/gsp.patch this will remove the gst depency of frameworkd Aug 07 12:26:19 ups http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-dist/gst.patch Aug 07 12:26:31 gst is still needed for playing other ringtones than wav... Aug 07 12:27:04 ok, then we can't remove it :) Aug 07 12:27:49 then it looks like we can't shrink the image for NAND on gta01 Aug 07 12:28:44 1.2M /etc/gconf/schemas Aug 07 12:28:45 0 /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory Aug 07 12:28:47 2.5M /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults Aug 07 12:28:48 3.7M /etc/gconf Aug 07 12:33:38 1244 KiB /armv4t/shr-splash-theme-simple_1.2-gitr93+0c164b58a270c689e7381e1c63e0a94ba1947af3-r5_armv4t.ipk Aug 07 12:34:38 Ainulindale, a splash screen is important. Aug 07 12:38:02 why for is gconf used? only for tangogps? Aug 07 12:38:51 hmm... and theme-simple should be smaller ;x Aug 07 12:39:07 or... hmm, not Aug 07 12:52:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r39fc58745324 10/docs/ogsmd/ussd-session: docs: add (longer) ussd session Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6df146d1485a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix GetCallForwarding unhandled exception in response callback. Closes #462 Aug 07 12:52:44 freesmartphone.org: Thanks to 'Michael' (please include your E-Mail address, if you want proper credit ;) Aug 07 13:10:28 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * radb15811c614 10/ (23 files in 3 dirs): [data] move icons to data/icons directory Aug 07 13:21:39 stefan_schmidt: Hi, Stefan :D Aug 07 13:22:07 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r80ceea0ca3ea 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_simauth.py: [SimAuth] little GUI tweak up and speed up Aug 07 13:22:15 SHR: 03betheg 07shr-settings * rd44b53638b09 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_simauth.py: [SimAuth] add new SimAuth module Aug 07 13:22:42 stefan_schmidt: probably i shouldn't talk at all about it since i'm not even an SHR user. And it looks like our targets are very different. I like to fool around, tinker, chat with people find bugs etc. I don't believe in the shiny free future :( Aug 07 13:23:42 PaulFertser: I appreciate what you are doing. It helps a lot on many edges. But yes, it seems we have different target groups. Aug 07 13:23:43 mrmoku|away: yes, frameworkd still uses gst for everything non-wav. Aug 07 13:24:00 PaulFertser: Let's try to find the smallest group we both target. ;) Aug 07 13:24:25 PaulFertser: More serious. You prefer to handle the kernel messages over the debug level, right? Aug 07 13:24:50 stefan_schmidt: right, i'd like to find all the kernel messages that are outputted when they actually shouldn't be. Aug 07 13:24:55 PaulFertser: And I hate the idea of users need to change the bootloader env for it. Aug 07 13:25:20 PaulFertser: Shouldn't we are able to change the level runtime with klogd? Aug 07 13:25:48 PaulFertser: I don't have a problem with the messages during bootup, but during suspend and resume they take to much time. Aug 07 13:26:04 stefan_schmidt: (on an unrelated note) do you know which u-boot version is pre-installed on the most devices sold so far? IIRC it must be updated anyway, as it has too many bugs for a day-to-day usage. Aug 07 13:26:36 stefan_schmidt: (your proposal) :) Aug 07 13:26:46 PaulFertser: That differs for each run I fear. Someone like wpwrak should know about this. He had the system level contacts to the factory. :) Aug 07 13:27:22 PaulFertser: So, I would add a hack in OE to change the log level with klogd and we are both happy? Aug 07 13:27:30 PaulFertser: What level would you prefer? Aug 07 13:27:34 stefan_schmidt: it's just the opposite for me. I don't care much about bootup time but i don't see how having many messages during that can help. OTOH i remember that to find quite some wrongly targeted messages i just stared at the screen while suspending/resuming fixing all them one by one. Aug 07 13:28:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * rb294655faefc 10/TODO: Update TODO Aug 07 13:28:24 PaulFertser: I was surprised as well, but printing the messages on the fb takes indeed a long time. strange but true. Aug 07 13:29:04 stefan_schmidt: btw, do you know one can change the log level runtime with "dmesg -n0" too? Aug 07 13:29:23 PaulFertser: I don't think that you need to update u-boot Aug 07 13:29:28 At least I never did Aug 07 13:29:50 alphaone: you know that the kernel doesn't initialise pcf50633 at all? Aug 07 13:29:59 PaulFertser: But that is only for for dmesg and not for printing on the fb? Aug 07 13:30:10 PaulFertser: u-boot-1.3.2-moko12 here Aug 07 13:30:30 Dated October 7th 2008 Aug 07 13:30:35 alphaone: and some other flaws also resulted in increased power consumption etc. I think you can look at the git log for u-boot and you'll be convinced that upgrading u-boot to the latest is in fact recommended. Aug 07 13:30:39 wpwrak: Do we have a table whcih factory run used which bootloader version? Aug 07 13:30:47 stefan_schmidt: it affects printing on fb as well. Aug 07 13:30:53 PaulFertser: hmm Aug 07 13:30:56 interesting Aug 07 13:31:02 PaulFertser: interesting, which level would you prefer? Aug 07 13:31:19 alphaone: i really remember that during 2008 it was always suggested to upgrade u-boot first before trying to solve any other problems. Aug 07 13:31:29 hmm Aug 07 13:32:22 stefan_schmidt: i use loglevel=4 here, Qi default. To me it's ok. But it's just subjective. I think i shouldn't oppose any decision you with SHR folks do. Aug 07 13:33:07 PaulFertser: ok, will play with it the next days. Need to finish some other things first. Aug 07 13:33:48 alphaone: also from end-user support perspective i'd choose Qi over u-boot any time. I can't see why you (fso+shr devs) don't want to make it recommended default. Aug 07 13:34:07 PaulFertser: hmm Aug 07 13:34:59 TAsn: splash is important ? Aug 07 13:35:46 PaulFertser: SHR recommends Qi+µSD :P Aug 07 13:36:07 dos1: nope Aug 07 13:36:27 I flas Aug 07 13:36:47 and I have uboot & qi Aug 07 13:36:53 stefan_schmidt: maybe somewhere in chinese :) Aug 07 13:37:10 wpwrak: heh, you should be able to translate by now ;) Aug 07 13:37:14 damn gprs is slow Aug 07 13:37:27 wpwrak: is it in your opinion safe to not recommend users to upgrade their NAND bootloader? Aug 07 13:37:28 Ainulindale: Try CSD :D Aug 07 13:37:40 hmm ? Aug 07 13:37:44 Ainulindale: that's configuration where everything works out-of-box (loglevel and splash) due to append-GTA02 file :P Aug 07 13:38:16 qi + flash is good too Aug 07 13:38:34 PaulFertser: An opkg package that updates the bootloader from userspace might be nice Aug 07 13:38:55 PaulFertser: hmm, aren't there a few bug fixes that went in recently ? power, sdhc ? Aug 07 13:39:01 Ainulindale: well, configured u-boot + booting from usb is good as well, but that's not what i mean ;) Aug 07 13:39:06 wpwrak: that's my point Aug 07 13:39:49 * dos1 doesn't think trusting opkg when upgrading bootloader is good idea ;) Aug 07 13:39:49 alphaone: easily possible (flasherase_all + nandwrite) though i don't see much need in it. Aug 07 13:39:49 PaulFertser: so i'd rather recommend the opposite: run the latest boot loader if you can Aug 07 13:40:01 wpwrak: exactly my point, thanks for confirming. Aug 07 13:40:49 PaulFertser: i'd just not make people upgrade who aren't unhappy with their status quo Aug 07 13:41:01 wpwrak: btw, recent experienced showed that it's safe even for a gta01 users to upgrade their bootloaders. Probability of "bricking" is quite low and debricking proved to be easy by one NZ guy who assembled and used a Wiggler clone in no time. Aug 07 13:41:26 dos1: bah, it's only marginally riskier than chuteless skydiving :) Aug 07 13:41:37 (so many typos, shame on me, need to go eat something ;) ) Aug 07 13:42:02 PaulFertser: yeah, but that wiggler thing is pretty extreme ;) yes, the risk is low, but still ... Aug 07 13:42:13 wpwrak: since when wiggler is extreme? Aug 07 13:42:21 wpwrak: he assembled it on a breadboard even! Aug 07 13:43:19 PaulFertser: Requires people to know what a breadboard is, though :-) Aug 07 13:43:21 PaulFertser: well, for most people. taking a soldering iron to these jtag pads isn't for everyone. and making sure the circuit doesn't feed 5 V into the neo isn't either. and we're not talking about ESD yet :) Aug 07 13:44:27 PaulFertser: of course, real men aren't afraid of ESD and never use protection ;-) Aug 07 13:49:40 wpwrak: i used to connect to the gnd with a self-made 1MOhm "bracelet" at my workplace while working on my pc because somehow my chair and probably floor made me accumulate enough charge to be quite uncomfortable upon touching something metal. Aug 07 13:49:44 :) Aug 07 14:08:22 DocScrutinizer: Glen edited our Q&A and claims that faking a thermistor results in dangerous charging. Aug 07 14:14:11 DocScrutinizer: btw, the setting that affects that the charging must be restarted automatically is applied by the bootloader, not the kernel (not that i think it's a good thing but it's fact). Aug 07 14:14:35 DocScrutinizer: and i think that if it never reaches the threshold it will stop only after ~6 hours. Aug 07 14:32:46 * dos1 is wondering, why people say " i never saw nokia handset requiring tweaking audio mixer setting" Aug 07 14:33:01 so noone is using volume up and volume down buttons in their dumb phones? :x Aug 07 15:04:25 Hm, it looks like quite some users don't know they can lower the frequency of SD card access and that this almost always eliminates the problems. :-/ Aug 07 15:06:37 I certainly don't know that... where's it documented? Aug 07 15:08:20 wjbaird: kernel sources. Also it's mentioned in several places on the wiki and numerous times on the ML. Aug 07 15:11:54 PaulFertser: well - I (like most users) don't read the kernel sources, and I don't have time to read every post on the ML... googling "openmoko frequency sd card access" gave me nothing useful on the first couple of pages, and searching on the OM wiki also gave me nothing... Aug 07 15:11:54 PaulFertser, (kernel sources) lol. Aug 07 15:12:27 wjbaird: that's sad Aug 07 15:12:53 TAsn: but that's true... glamo-mci.c is as clear as it can be wrt all the module parameters. Aug 07 15:12:57 wjbaird: if you don't know how to find it, then i think you have to choices Aug 07 15:13:11 wjbaird: a) learn how to find it Aug 07 15:13:18 wjbaird: b) sell freerunner, it isn't for you Aug 07 15:13:19 ;P Aug 07 15:13:35 dos1: I find that comment very, very, very depressing... Aug 07 15:13:36 i would select a) ;) Aug 07 15:14:00 wjbaird: but you can select a) and still be happy :D Aug 07 15:14:22 wjbaird, just select a Aug 07 15:14:28 a is not depressing. Aug 07 15:14:38 wjbaird: PaulFertser said about glamo-mci Aug 07 15:14:41 wjbaird: let me check... Aug 07 15:14:56 wjbaird: hmm... the answer is in first result of "glamo_mci" query in google :P Aug 07 15:15:41 wjbaird: a isn't that hard, you just have to want to learn ;) Aug 07 15:15:47 dos1: and of course that should be obvious since we use our uSDs connected to glamo's SD interface. And that is called mci for all the devices (s3c-mci e.g.). Aug 07 15:16:20 well - the glamo-mci comment was made *after* I did my search... I'm afraid I would not have thought to come up with it based on the info I had... :-) Aug 07 15:16:34 PaulFertser, but still... :) Aug 07 15:17:34 wjbaird: just use glamo_mci.sd_max_clk and in future be more smart when searching/asking questions, so you won't be depressed with that ;D Aug 07 15:18:16 dos1: you're so smart Aug 07 15:18:19 ;) Aug 07 15:18:24 dos1: I'll keep that in mind, and try to practice up on my clairvoyance... I figure if I get good enough - I won't need google at all! Aug 07 15:19:59 PaulFertser: i won laptop which i'm using now thanks to my speed in searching and verifing informations ;) Aug 07 15:22:56 dos1: really? I won my laptop too. On an exhibition i won the concurs in the fastest and the most correct order in an internet-shop for electronic components. Aug 07 15:23:39 nice ;) Aug 07 15:24:03 dos1: btw, i always mention you when i need an example of a talented and young developer. ;) Aug 07 15:25:53 :x Aug 07 15:25:55 * dos1 doesn't know what to say :x Aug 07 15:28:41 dos1: then just finisch ContactsDomain :P Aug 07 15:28:58 Heinervdm++ almost exactly what i was going to say Aug 07 15:29:46 Heinervdm: that's my primary task, let me only finish tweaking up SimAuth module to shr-settings ;) Aug 07 15:30:31 dos1: nice, then we will have dates on sunday, probably Aug 07 15:32:37 dos1, what about phone-utils set CC module? :) Aug 07 15:34:08 TAsn: will be, will be ;) Aug 07 15:35:03 TAsn: i already have UI idea Aug 07 15:35:13 cool :) Aug 07 15:54:47 Re-hey Aug 07 15:58:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r913575a88aeb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: remove duplicated function Aug 07 16:02:19 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rddd13e946d66 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_simauth.py: [SimAuth] use inwin when asking for PIN; add error handling Aug 07 16:03:48 SHR: 03betheg 07shr-settings * rd3ad61ae24f1 10/shr-settings: [launcher] Add SimAuth module to Phone screen Aug 07 16:06:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r361128730a9b 10/TODO: [TODO] update Aug 07 16:06:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r52bc8d8a9c0e 10/data/ (README icons/README): [data] move icons README to data/icons directory Aug 07 16:07:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r45d22a8d6033 10/data/ (icons/shr_settings.png shr_settings.png): [data] move app icon into data/icons directory Aug 07 16:08:40 ok, so now opimd Aug 07 16:09:56 :) Aug 07 16:10:28 dos1, cool. ;) Aug 07 16:10:39 dos1, what's the next feature you are working on? Aug 07 16:11:22 TAsn: now not feature, but bug with delivery reports; after that i'll try to finish GenericDomain Aug 07 16:11:30 ;) Aug 07 16:12:04 dos1, cool :) keep up the good work. :) Aug 07 16:23:19 dos1: you might talk with abraxa about opimd about the discussion on the mailinglist (he designed opimd in his gsoc) Aug 07 16:25:40 bumbl: i know ;) Aug 07 16:25:41 bumbl, I thought abraxa disappeard years ago. :) Aug 07 16:25:52 *disappeared Aug 07 16:26:27 abraxa_ is a user on channels: #gta02-core #pyneo.org Aug 07 16:26:29 :P Aug 07 16:27:29 oh really? cool ;) Aug 07 16:28:41 TAsn: abraxa is a pyneo gui rather than a fso guy Aug 07 16:29:13 s/gui/guy/ Aug 07 16:29:13 bumbl meant: TAsn: abraxa is a pyneo guy rather than a fso guy Aug 07 16:30:17 hmm how to delete attachments from trac? Aug 07 16:42:05 TAsn: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/LogoContest/shr_rock_draft2_big.png <- enough frienldy lively colours? Aug 07 16:42:41 bumbl, my connection is slow for some reason, so bear with me for a sec. Aug 07 16:43:28 np Aug 07 16:43:43 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/LogoContest/shr_rock_draft2_small.png <- is the smaller one Aug 07 16:43:45 bumbl, too much black, I think. Aug 07 16:44:35 ;) well rocks are black Aug 07 16:44:39 or brown Aug 07 16:44:47 but brown rocks don't look good Aug 07 16:48:29 bumbl, as you can see (by the lack of logo proposals made by me) I'm not graphic designer ;) Aug 07 16:50:01 TAsn: i am as creative as a piece of bread but i like doing some stuff with gimp and inkscape once in a while Aug 07 16:51:18 i c. Aug 07 16:51:40 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/LogoContest/happyhandy2_small.png Aug 07 16:51:41 lol Aug 07 16:52:00 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/LogoContest/SHRLogo.png Aug 07 16:52:03 bigger lol Aug 07 16:52:15 I hope it's a joke (putting a dollar sign) Aug 07 16:52:29 (I know it's an H, but still, looks like a dollar sign) Aug 07 16:54:11 TAsn: well SHR non commercial Aug 07 16:54:48 huh? Aug 07 16:55:45 SHR Non Commercial by Bernhard Hoell Aug 07 16:55:50 the title of that picture Aug 07 16:55:59 oh. Aug 07 16:56:00 :) Aug 07 16:57:28 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/LogoContest/simbol_SHR_eyes_small.png http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/LogoContest/shr_rock_draft2_small.png http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/LogoContest/shrLogo-delian_small.png those are the ones i do like Aug 07 16:57:30 dos1, do we have an "initial config script" Aug 07 16:57:36 i.e a script that runs on first boot Aug 07 16:57:39 and does cool stuff? Aug 07 16:59:27 TAsn: not now, but i want to do it Aug 07 16:59:36 dos1, we should. Aug 07 16:59:45 (but only after everything finishes loading Aug 07 16:59:47 (which sucks) Aug 07 17:00:04 TAsn: we could nicely integrate shr-installer to install locales, addintional packages etc. Aug 07 17:01:11 dos1, yes. Aug 07 17:01:15 how's that project going on? Aug 07 17:03:54 (shr-installer) Aug 07 17:04:00 dos1, in my pov Aug 07 17:04:17 heyho Aug 07 17:04:23 we need something like e's first login window Aug 07 17:04:34 though only after we pass to sim auth or something like that... Aug 07 17:10:31 TAsn: someone needs to help me with policykit ;( Aug 07 17:10:56 * TAsn knows nothing about policykit Aug 07 17:11:05 btw, got any idea what's midbrowser? Aug 07 17:11:19 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=97369&file1=97369-1.png&file2=97369-2.png&file3=&name=MidBrowser-For+a+lighter+web+experience.&PHPSESSID=1928fe5bce01bcb221c4457b6e933c98 Aug 07 17:11:22 looks interesting Aug 07 17:12:46 looks horrible (at least the homepage) Aug 07 17:13:00 bumbl, look at the image I gave Aug 07 17:13:06 looks very finger friendly Aug 07 17:19:18 TAsn: yeah Aug 07 17:28:27 hi people Aug 07 17:32:12 <|Fate|> qalee looks awesome Aug 07 17:32:29 does anyone know the dev? does he need help? Aug 07 17:37:52 anyone know why there's no python SSL support in SHR? Aug 07 17:51:01 ssweeny, no ssl sockets? Aug 07 17:51:36 F4t, no ssl python module Aug 07 17:51:49 i think the socket module has an assl socket Aug 07 17:51:52 an ssl socket* Aug 07 17:52:00 actually my problem is more no HTTPS Aug 07 17:52:52 did you check the repository? Aug 07 17:53:07 i couldn't find anything related to ssl and python in the repo Aug 07 17:53:45 i'm trying to run PISI but it complains of no HTTPSConnection Aug 07 17:54:05 F4t, what's qalee? Aug 07 17:54:21 the author of that app says it's due to no python ssl support Aug 07 17:54:24 the awesomest interface ever Aug 07 17:54:32 link? Aug 07 17:55:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06 Aug 07 17:55:10 the second one Aug 07 17:55:54 TAsn: is fsoraw installed by default on SHR? Aug 07 17:55:54 ssweeny, maybe you can install ssl support from the repository with opkg? Aug 07 17:56:01 opkg list | grep ssl Aug 07 17:56:10 F4t, ssl is installed Aug 07 17:56:15 or openssl rather Aug 07 17:56:27 i guess it needs the python module? Aug 07 17:56:28 PaulFertser, no Aug 07 17:56:40 F4t, that was my thought Aug 07 17:56:43 TAsn: how to install it? Aug 07 17:56:53 TAsn: and why it isn't installed by default? Aug 07 17:56:53 ssweeny, so did you check repository? Aug 07 17:57:02 PaulFertser, it's not installed by default Aug 07 17:57:07 since nothing uses it by default Aug 07 17:57:12 and to get it Aug 07 17:57:14 TAsn: users use it by default ;) Aug 07 17:57:15 just opkg install fsoraw Aug 07 17:57:25 PaulFertser, weird users. ;) Aug 07 17:57:38 PaulFertser, I don't care, it's only a couple of Ks :) Aug 07 17:57:51 mrmoku|away, consider adding fsoraw to task-shr-minimal;) Aug 07 17:58:01 TAsn, saw qalee? Aug 07 17:58:21 F4t, (Qalee) I know the dev, I met him at the buzz-bix party in Madrid :) He's working now in Qalee 0.3, based in shr, so after that, I suppouse help will be welcome :P Aug 07 17:58:33 F4t, yeah. Aug 07 17:58:40 it's the one that uses opimd, right? Aug 07 17:58:51 Sharwin_F, of you do get to talk to him, tell him i wanna join the project.... Aug 07 17:58:57 (if so, I know it for quite some time) Aug 07 17:59:03 TAsn, i dont care what it uses, it pretty Aug 07 17:59:03 F4t, Qt?! :( Aug 07 17:59:17 GTK, read the frickin description Aug 07 17:59:25 oh wait Aug 07 17:59:26 my bad Aug 07 17:59:27 QT Aug 07 17:59:28 :D Aug 07 17:59:33 F4t, .. lol. ;) Aug 07 17:59:36 Qale is QT, yeah Aug 07 17:59:39 and yeah, it's pretty Aug 07 17:59:46 I wonder what's the memory/cpu load Aug 07 17:59:53 Ainulindale: I saw there is currently a patch in shr/import for python-elementary which is obsolete Aug 07 17:59:54 u can try it and see Aug 07 18:00:12 Ainulindale: all this changes are in current svn version of python-elementary Aug 07 18:00:45 mrmoku, watch pm and watch PaulFertser's suggestion please ;) Aug 07 18:01:01 (I don't remember what I sent you in pm... but I remember it was important) Aug 07 18:01:06 TAsn: thanks :D Aug 07 18:01:08 F4t, look at the PM here ^^ Aug 07 18:01:52 mrmoku: [19:59:26] Ainulindale: I saw there is currently a patch in shr/import for python-elementary which is obsolete Aug 07 18:01:52 I've seen Qalee in action and it is really fast, we thought it was using framebuffer first as it was so fast, but it isn't :P Aug 07 18:02:08 Sharwin_F, x11? Aug 07 18:02:16 TAsn, yep Aug 07 18:02:44 morphis: what about genlist bindings? Aug 07 18:02:58 Sharwin_F, OMG :) Aug 07 18:02:59 dos1: good question :) Aug 07 18:03:14 has Qt really gotten that good?! Aug 07 18:03:16 dos1: I think now I have some time for that cause I am out of write exams Aug 07 18:03:27 (actually gtk+ is also quite fast) Aug 07 18:03:36 it's only e with this stupid theme (I think) Aug 07 18:03:40 TAsn, it was really responsive Aug 07 18:04:27 * mrmoku is trying to get smaller images... not bigger ones ;) Aug 07 18:04:29 TAsn: Qt was always faster than GTK+, even on desktops Aug 07 18:04:38 dos1, w00t! Aug 07 18:04:49 mrmoku, it's only a couple of Ks Aug 07 18:05:05 mrmoku, consider removing cool but useless kernel modules Aug 07 18:05:23 (make them installable by a pack called kernel-cool-but-useless-modules) Aug 07 18:05:25 such as Aug 07 18:05:29 hdd support Aug 07 18:05:36 and I don't know what :) Aug 07 18:05:47 F4t, looks like python must be compiled with SSL to get it Aug 07 18:05:49 TAsn, if I only knew how :P Aug 07 18:06:04 mrmoku, /me has no idea as well. Aug 07 18:07:22 stefan_schmidt, what do you think about the kernel module issue? Aug 07 18:07:42 we have to shrink the SHR image to make it fit into gta01 Aug 07 18:08:17 TAsn, somebody should find some good and *small* ringtones too Aug 07 18:10:46 TAsn: usb mass storage + scsi is an essential one. Aug 07 18:12:38 PaulFertser, what about webcams support? Aug 07 18:12:44 (do we even have that?) Aug 07 18:13:12 mrmoku, anyhow, the users ( PaulFertser ) demand fsoraw! :) Aug 07 18:13:30 btw, about my pm, I remember what is it about, mind helping me with it? Aug 07 18:13:41 TAsn: what's fsoraw? Aug 07 18:13:46 TAsn: i think webcams are not widely used, so they might be moved to a separate package. Aug 07 18:13:49 TAsn, callrec? Aug 07 18:13:57 mrmoku, aye. Aug 07 18:14:01 lindi-, ask PaulFertser ;) Aug 07 18:14:09 it's a way to request resources iirc Aug 07 18:14:13 an app wrapper Aug 07 18:14:23 TAsn, yeah... will do all that... but first I have to shrink the freaking image :P Aug 07 18:14:24 lindi-: useless for you as you don't use ousaged ;) Aug 07 18:14:30 so you'll be able to request resources in a fast, generic and non intrusive way. Aug 07 18:14:39 mrmoku, gimme a list of packages Aug 07 18:14:40 PaulFertser: ok Aug 07 18:14:43 (full list) Aug 07 18:15:29 brb Aug 07 18:18:43 TAsn, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/installed-package-sizes.txt Aug 07 18:19:00 thanks Aug 07 18:19:52 Ainulindale, here? Aug 07 18:20:07 mrmoku, do you by any change know the state of ophonekitd-vala? Aug 07 18:20:13 do we really want it? Aug 07 18:20:16 are we going to use it? Aug 07 18:20:28 TAsn, I have no idea Aug 07 18:20:57 weird, how did we get to 60 mb? Aug 07 18:21:04 all the packs seam amazingly small ;) Aug 07 18:21:21 TAsn, well... sum them up ;) Aug 07 18:21:24 mrmoku, screen is not the max Aug 07 18:21:28 *not a must Aug 07 18:21:36 like strace Aug 07 18:21:39 TAsn: screen? Aug 07 18:21:40 armv4t/gnome-vfs_2.22.0-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 07 18:21:42 who uses that? Aug 07 18:21:45 PaulFertser, I like it Aug 07 18:21:45 TAsn: no, screen is a must Aug 07 18:21:51 and that's probably the first thing i'll install Aug 07 18:21:53 evening guys! Aug 07 18:21:57 but I don't think it's a must :) Aug 07 18:22:08 what uses gnome-vfs? only that crappy file manager Aug 07 18:22:11 isn't it? Aug 07 18:22:16 TAsn: ++ about screen, it don't have to be installed by default Aug 07 18:22:17 if so Aug 07 18:22:17 remove em both! Aug 07 18:22:24 TAsn: ++ about file manager :D Aug 07 18:22:27 PaulFertser, you are outnumbered! :) Aug 07 18:22:32 we don't need it in lite Aug 07 18:22:34 mrmoku, please comply ;) Aug 07 18:22:44 PaulFertser: we're talking about lite images ;) Aug 07 18:23:04 TAsn: ++ on screen - definitely needs to be available - but not in the default image. Aug 07 18:23:05 dos1: some lite alternative like dtach can be substituted than.:( Aug 07 18:24:02 dos1, the splash theme is not compressed and can't be compressed, right? Aug 07 18:24:07 it's just a dump to framebuffer Aug 07 18:24:10 right? Aug 07 18:24:25 1144 KiB /all/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2_0.1.0+svnr4232-r1_all.ipk Aug 07 18:24:31 mrmoku, iirc we don't even use this crap ^ Aug 07 18:24:53 TAsn, vala-terminal gets its icons from there Aug 07 18:24:56 for example Aug 07 18:25:17 mrmoku, we can provide our alternatives Aug 07 18:25:26 but there's no need to provide the whole freaking pack Aug 07 18:25:31 of MANY useless icons Aug 07 18:25:50 don't think gnome-vfs is the file manager Aug 07 18:25:54 268 KiB /armv4t/tcpdump_3.9.7-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 07 18:25:56 are you crazy? :) Aug 07 18:26:11 TAsn: why it not should be comressed? it might be. zcat is our all! Aug 07 18:26:42 Q-Master, /me is no export Aug 07 18:26:44 expert* Aug 07 18:26:59 flood alert: Aug 07 18:27:01 # opkg whatdepends gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:01 Root set: Aug 07 18:27:01 gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:01 What depends on root set Aug 07 18:27:01 gpe-filemanager 0.30-r0 depends on gnome-vfs (>= 2.22.0) Aug 07 18:27:02 gst-plugin-gnomevfs 0.10.17-r5 depends on gnome-vfs (>= 2.22.0) Aug 07 18:27:04 gnome-vfs-plugin-network 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:06 gnome-vfs-plugin-http 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:08 gnome-vfs-plugin-sftp 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:10 gnome-vfs-plugin-computer 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:12 task-shr-minimal-gtk 2.0-r9 depends on gpe-filemanager Aug 07 18:27:14 gnome-vfs-plugin-ftp 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:16 gst-meta-base 0.10-r12 depends on gst-plugin-gnomevfs Aug 07 18:27:18 gnome-vfs-plugin-file 2.22.0-r0 depends on gnome-vfs Aug 07 18:27:20 :) Aug 07 18:27:24 remove the freaking thing :) Aug 07 18:27:26 (gpe-filemanager) Aug 07 18:27:35 and there you go Aug 07 18:27:39 you can even keep screen Aug 07 18:27:48 jsut drop gnome-vfs (and all it's aux crap) Aug 07 18:27:50 and gpe-filemanager Aug 07 18:27:53 tcpdump Aug 07 18:28:04 and string openmoko-icons Aug 07 18:28:09 s/string/strip/ Aug 07 18:28:09 TAsn meant: and strip openmoko-icons Aug 07 18:28:25 force dos1 to fix splash screen to use zcat Aug 07 18:28:37 and tada, you can even install it on a linksis router :) Aug 07 18:28:42 linksys*? Aug 07 18:28:56 TAsn: on the desktop qt4 is miles better than gtk+ Aug 07 18:29:07 bumbl, gtk user here :) Aug 07 18:29:24 mrmoku: image is image Aug 07 18:29:27 * ssweeny never liked QT on the desktop Aug 07 18:29:45 ssweeny, ++ Aug 07 18:30:01 mrmoku, so, what do you think? (about my diet) Aug 07 18:31:03 TAsn, well I won't miss gpe-filemanager :) Aug 07 18:31:04 PaulFertser, and what do you think (about me trying to let screen stay) Aug 07 18:31:10 mrmoku, no one will Aug 07 18:31:19 sec, i'll give you a one liner: Aug 07 18:31:56 TAsn: i know - but hey i mostly prefer kde/qt4 apps but there are some gtk jewels out there (gimp, inkscape, firefox (not a jewel but better than the rest) Aug 07 18:31:58 ) Aug 07 18:32:02 gpe-filemanager (and the gnome-vfs crap), tcpdump, openmoko-icon (shrink), splash-theme (use zcat) and that's it, I think. Aug 07 18:32:05 TAsn: splash screen is using zcat now Aug 07 18:32:14 dos1, and it's still that heavy?! :( Aug 07 18:32:16 TAsn: if you put "dtach" there instead of screen i'd say it's ok. Aug 07 18:32:36 TAsn, care to shrink openmoko-icons without breaking anything? ;) Aug 07 18:32:39 TAsn: but screen is familiar to most people, i'd let it stay too. Aug 07 18:32:42 PaulFertser, it's mrmoku calling the shots here, I'm just a consultant... :) Aug 07 18:32:45 dos1, care to use zcat? :P Aug 07 18:32:57 mrmoku, TAsn: splash screen is using zcat now Aug 07 18:33:07 ahh... Aug 07 18:33:08 PaulFertser, I prefer screen as well. Aug 07 18:33:15 * mrmoku should start to actually learn reading :P Aug 07 18:33:35 we need a compression wiz (to help us make an image more compressable by zcat) Aug 07 18:33:48 mrmoku, I can try Aug 07 18:33:51 ;) Aug 07 18:33:57 though I can't promise anything... :) Aug 07 18:34:28 TAsn: you are talking about the current white 'SHR' screenshot? Aug 07 18:34:43 wjbaird, huh? Aug 07 18:34:44 TAsn: you can use jpg and imagemagick to uncompress ;) Aug 07 18:34:45 err - splashscreen. Aug 07 18:34:59 for compression... Aug 07 18:35:04 wjbaird, I'm talking about splash screens in general Aug 07 18:35:18 dos1, ! listen to the dudes! Aug 07 18:35:37 PaulFertser, I like your solution, though that'll probably mean we'll have to include imagemagick :( Aug 07 18:36:03 TAsn: the current image would probably compress *really* well with run-length encoding... Aug 07 18:36:06 TAsn: one gzipped splash is 600K Aug 07 18:36:22 dos1, BAD! Aug 07 18:36:30 wjbaird, please help dos1 (as I know nothing about it) Aug 07 18:36:37 TAsn: ungzipped is 4MB :P Aug 07 18:36:47 that's fb dump Aug 07 18:37:20 mrmoku, no idea how to strip it :( Aug 07 18:37:24 dos1: and bzipped? Aug 07 18:37:29 TAsn: for _lite_ image i'd not use splashscreen at all ;) Aug 07 18:37:32 dos1: I've mucked around with image manip a fair bit... where can I get the raw fb dump? Aug 07 18:37:33 I think we should consider creating a new package or something. Aug 07 18:37:36 PaulFertser, I don't agree. Aug 07 18:37:42 I think this is a must for consumer ready phones. Aug 07 18:38:01 TAsn: haha, FR will never be "consumer ready" Aug 07 18:38:12 PaulFertser: why so negative? Aug 07 18:38:23 bziped2 is 450K Aug 07 18:38:31 wjbaird: cat /dev/fb0 > image.fb Aug 07 18:38:32 Here we have a saying, if you want to throw a rock to the middle of the river, aim to the other bank. ;) Aug 07 18:38:37 wjbaird: to me it's positive. Most "consumer ready" things suck so much i wouldn't want to have one of those. Aug 07 18:38:41 dos1: use bzcat then Aug 07 18:38:46 dos1, what about jpeged? Aug 07 18:39:16 TAsn: I don't remember if there is a jpeg depacker for fb Aug 07 18:39:24 TAsn: jpeged would be small, but how to display it? is there jpegcat? ::P Aug 07 18:39:43 dos1, PaulFertser suggested imagemagick Aug 07 18:39:47 wjbaird: btw, what needs to be done to make e.g. bash "consumer ready"? Even zsh is not. You don't call powerful tools "consumer-ready". Aug 07 18:39:50 which is heavy Aug 07 18:39:51 TAsn: it was a jok. Aug 07 18:40:00 Q-Master: i'll look at bzcat, thanks Aug 07 18:40:12 TAsn: i meant that there should exist some light jpeg decompressor. Aug 07 18:40:12 PaulFertser: to me - consumer ready means - pretty and things work... I think that's a worthy goal... Aug 07 18:40:29 PaulFertser, I know what you meant, I just echoed you. Aug 07 18:40:55 PaulFertser: not sure that conflating a command-line tool and a cell-phone makes sense in this context... Aug 07 18:40:56 wjbaird: can a powerful tool be pretty at all? Can you give me some example in software industry? bash is powerful but not pretty. Aug 07 18:41:31 hmm... xsplash is 900K Aug 07 18:41:33 PaulFertser: Aperture? very powerful photo manip tool - but still pretty and easy to use... Aug 07 18:42:12 PaulFertser: Even android is getting close, from what I've seen so far... Aug 07 18:42:15 wjbaird: i've heard about gimp and some other tools but not about Aperture... Aug 07 18:42:40 PaulFertser: It's commercial sw from Apple - kinda like f-spot, but on steroids... Aug 07 18:43:02 PaulFertser: manages collections of photos, fine-tuning raw images, etc. Aug 07 18:43:05 wjbaird: any other examples please? Aug 07 18:43:18 wjbaird: (for raw i thought there's only ufraw) Aug 07 18:43:53 mrmoku, anyhow, I think removing tcpdump and gpe-filemanager (and the vfs crap) is enough... isn't it? Aug 07 18:44:32 PaulFertser: My understanding is that ufraw is pretty simplistic compared to a tool like Aperture. For other examples, I think Android has the potential to be a really powerful tool that's still easy to use... It's got a little ways to go yet, but it's close... Aug 07 18:44:44 TAsn: but what to do with xsplash ppm file? it has 900K! Aug 07 18:45:17 dos1, oh, you have two splash images? one for kernel boot and one for xboot? Aug 07 18:45:37 but, we need to override e17's splash and use our own. Aug 07 18:45:54 dos1, zcat that as well? (no idea...) Aug 07 18:47:05 TAsn: e17 splash is already disabled Aug 07 18:47:16 TAsn, will try Aug 07 18:47:19 TAsn: and xsplash can't be zcated... Aug 07 18:47:26 wjbaird: i'm trying to prove that "simple" tools are always too limited. You "always" find yourself in need to learn "the real thing" sooner or later. What about CAD e.g.? Or text editing? Is vim or emacs simple? Not quite. Eclipse? Quite complex too. I mean powerful tools almost always require some time to learn to use them and in modern western society that can't be considered "consumer ready" because it's assumed that consumer is fucking d Aug 07 18:47:28 it's passed by argument to Xglamo Aug 07 18:47:33 ... by definition. Aug 07 18:48:06 dos1, double sucks :) what about extracting it to /tmp/ and passing that to Xglamo? Aug 07 18:48:13 tmp should be mounted on ram Aug 07 18:48:14 anyway. Aug 07 18:48:15 oh :DDD Aug 07 18:48:21 :) Aug 07 18:48:34 or even easier Aug 07 18:48:39 (or less easier?) Aug 07 18:48:40 a pipe? Aug 07 18:48:54 but that might not support all of xglamo's wishes Aug 07 18:49:04 as probably a tmp file is what we need. Aug 07 18:49:56 hmm... gpe-filemanager is easy to remove Aug 07 18:50:10 and tcpdump? Aug 07 18:50:16 tcpdump comes in via task-cli-tools Aug 07 18:50:27 which is: Aug 07 18:50:28 mrmoku, not anymore? :) Aug 07 18:50:31 dosfstools \ Aug 07 18:50:31 htop \ Aug 07 18:50:31 iptables \ Aug 07 18:50:31 lsof \ Aug 07 18:50:33 mtd-utils \ Aug 07 18:50:33 nano \ Aug 07 18:50:36 powertop \ Aug 07 18:50:38 screen \ Aug 07 18:50:41 sysstat \ Aug 07 18:50:43 tcpdump \ Aug 07 18:50:46 s3c24xx-gpio \ Aug 07 18:50:49 dosfstools isn't a must as well. Aug 07 18:51:01 as we don't create fat32 packs Aug 07 18:51:02 PaulFertser: I think you are confusing simple/complex with easy to use / hard to use... I agree that a 'simple' tool will, by definition, often not be enough... but I believe thoroughly that a tool can be designed that is easy to use for simple things, and then can be used by more experienced users to do the complicated things. Ubuntu is a perfect example - it's at the point now where a 'simple user' can use it for web/email/word Aug 07 18:51:18 I can imagine fiddling with task-cli-tools is something not appreciated by org.oedev... Aug 07 18:51:20 s/packs/fs/ Aug 07 18:51:21 mrmoku: -nano -tcpdump -htop -dosfstools Aug 07 18:51:21 TAsn meant: as we don't create fat32 fs Aug 07 18:51:32 dos1, agree on nano? :P Aug 07 18:51:44 mrmoku, what did he say? I didn't see... Aug 07 18:51:50 oh, i'm always using nano :x Aug 07 18:51:51 mrmoku, there's an easy solution to that. Aug 07 18:52:00 task-shr-cli-tools Aug 07 18:52:02 copy paste Aug 07 18:52:05 wjbaird: ubuntu is a perfect example how to make shit :-/ sorry Aug 07 18:52:07 remove the crap ;) Aug 07 18:52:17 PaulFertser, btw, ++. Aug 07 18:52:17 -powertop Aug 07 18:52:18 TAsn, nah... no need for that Aug 07 18:52:21 except for nano. Aug 07 18:52:32 I just paste it into task-shr-minimal Aug 07 18:52:33 actually, also -lsof Aug 07 18:52:34 wjbaird: they took a very good distro (Debian) added some useless things, complicated quite some stuff, removed useful things and sell that to lusers. Aug 07 18:52:41 -dosfstools -htop -powertop -screen -tcpdump Aug 07 18:52:44 what is sysstat? Aug 07 18:52:45 mrmoku, I don't think it's a good idea Aug 07 18:52:51 wjbaird: i'm sorry but this example of yours is not convincing for me enough. Aug 07 18:52:56 TAsn, why? Aug 07 18:52:57 this modularity is nice :) Aug 07 18:53:03 not modularity, but order Aug 07 18:53:10 but whatever, as I don't really care :) Aug 07 18:53:14 dos1: nano sucks so much that you don't want anybody to know you remember how to use it. Aug 07 18:53:16 TAsn, do you know task-shr-minimal? Aug 07 18:53:17 PaulFertser: *shrug* guess we differ on that one... I use ubuntu on a day to day basis and find it works great... rarely need to mess with things, and I can get my work done easily... Aug 07 18:53:19 dos1: i can prove that. Aug 07 18:53:22 mrmoku, aye. Aug 07 18:53:23 it has ordering in itself Aug 07 18:53:25 I say Aug 07 18:53:26 don't kill nano please! xD Aug 07 18:53:29 drop everything Aug 07 18:53:31 leave: Aug 07 18:53:53 screen, nano, iptables, mtd-utils, s3c... Aug 07 18:54:00 leave = keep Aug 07 18:54:05 yep Aug 07 18:54:23 what's this sysstat crap? Aug 07 18:54:34 wjbaird: i used slackware, gentoo, debian, redhat, fedora. And i'm quite experienced in that. Still ubuntu was the most unpleasant experience. It's in fact exactly what i say: Debian unstable with useless stuff (that makes configuring harder) added. Aug 07 18:54:43 what about mickeydbus and mickeyterm? Aug 07 18:54:49 TAsn: i so don't like nano :( Aug 07 18:55:00 PaulFertser, but it's a must Aug 07 18:55:07 as we need a default easy to use editor Aug 07 18:55:32 mrmoku, mickeydbus is important Aug 07 18:55:39 as many devs use it with correct deps Aug 07 18:55:43 mickeyterm isn't. Aug 07 18:55:46 PaulFertser: like I said, I have to disagree - I've installed slackware, debian, redhat, fedora and SUSE - and find ubuntu gives the best user experience for a desktop user... I've hardly had to configure anything - the majority of stuff I need to do just works... Aug 07 18:55:46 TAsn: default?! Aug 07 18:55:50 *without Aug 07 18:55:58 PaulFertser, maybe not. Aug 07 18:56:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rc3d97171723d 10/shr-splash/shr-splash.sh: shr-splash: use bzip2 instead of gzip Aug 07 18:56:05 TAsn: i won't install shr then if it'll be the default! It's a religious question for me. Aug 07 18:56:18 mrmoku, just drop it, fuck the stupid devs who don't put the correct deps Aug 07 18:56:20 PaulFertser, happy? Aug 07 18:56:21 ;) Aug 07 18:56:47 The sysstat package contains the sar, sadf, iostat, mpstat, and pidstat commands for Linux. Aug 07 18:56:50 kill it ^ Aug 07 18:57:21 I found iotop today Aug 07 18:57:22 will keep mickeyterm too... as its just 8k Aug 07 18:57:23 thanks to planet Aug 07 18:57:46 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r30c187f5e691 10/shr-splash/ (6 files in 3 dirs): shr-splash-theme-*: use bzip2 instead of gzip Aug 07 18:57:47 wjbaird: and when it doesn't or you need something more tricky you start to think "wtf do i need that ``fail-safe x-server''? How am i supposed to write a proper xorg.conf when it flashes, starts, quits, starts again, quits, starts again and then shows login screen and how do i find the logs from that xorg.conf _i_ am working on?" That's just one example. Aug 07 18:58:09 wjbaird: it basically proves my point: powerful ^ simple Aug 07 18:58:17 mrmoku, btw, does this fat reduction mean we are close to having an image? Aug 07 18:58:40 PaulFertser: +nano definitely Aug 07 18:58:46 (notice I don't even talk about a testing image anymore, just *an* image. Aug 07 18:58:51 Q-Master, don't remind him about that! Aug 07 18:58:54 (it's already default) Aug 07 18:59:08 Q-Master: nano is the most utterly stupid useless and harmful editor i've seen on a unix system by default. Aug 07 18:59:22 PaulFertser, what's your alternative? Aug 07 18:59:26 please don't suggest sed. Aug 07 18:59:31 emacs Aug 07 18:59:32 xD Aug 07 18:59:41 PaulFertser: but it is definitely must. otherwise editing is impossible Aug 07 18:59:58 Q-Master: fuck :( you don't understand me. Aug 07 19:00:00 dos1, s/emacs/vim/ Aug 07 19:00:09 PaulFertser: I disagree... certainly ubuntu could both provide decent x.ofg conf management (like it does) and handle that case better --- but it seems like you are pretty convinced, so I think we need to just agree to disagree on this one... and I need to head off to a meeting... Aug 07 19:00:23 TAsn: i think PaulFertser is using emacs ;D Aug 07 19:00:30 dos1: where can i find the terminal kbd? ;-) Aug 07 19:00:38 112 KiB /om-gta02/kernel-module-reiserfs_2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5_om-gta02.ipk Aug 07 19:00:39 BluesLee: ;D Aug 07 19:00:41 what about that ^ Aug 07 19:00:51 dos1, I know. Aug 07 19:00:58 BluesLee, e's svn Aug 07 19:01:07 * mrmoku building new image :) Aug 07 19:01:20 * TAsn is crossing his fingers Aug 07 19:01:28 TAsn: i'd suggest either vim-minimal or zile or jed in emacs mode. Aug 07 19:01:32 btw mrmoku Aug 07 19:01:41 there's kernel-modules Aug 07 19:01:44 dos1: i use vim and emacs. Aug 07 19:01:45 PaulFertser: I understand that nano suxx, but there is no more any easy using and small editor. Aug 07 19:01:47 that depends on all the kernel modules Aug 07 19:01:54 vim and emacs suxx alot more Aug 07 19:01:55 Q-Master: jed Aug 07 19:01:57 TAsn, I know Aug 07 19:02:02 but some modules are needed :) Aug 07 19:02:03 PaulFertser: not seen ever Aug 07 19:02:08 you can just drop the crappy stuff from there Aug 07 19:02:21 and I don't know how the modules get pulled into the image Aug 07 19:02:26 have to find out... Aug 07 19:02:38 just edit kernel-modules's dep Aug 07 19:02:38 Q-Master: you know why i don't like nano so much? There's only one quite simple reason for that. Aug 07 19:03:23 i don't like nano defaults due to line wrapping Aug 07 19:03:30 but it can be disabled Aug 07 19:05:02 hey everyone Aug 07 19:05:05 http://pastebin.com/m302d337f Aug 07 19:05:09 list of kernel modules Aug 07 19:05:15 feel free to bash and slash Aug 07 19:05:22 (tell us what you don't think is needed) Aug 07 19:05:28 actually, I'm sending to shr-user Aug 07 19:05:47 dos1: i'd agree to use nano if it supported the most basic emacs bindings by default. Since it doesn't it means it should be dumped. Because there're only two well-established methods of editing: modal and modeless. For modal it's vi/vim. For modeless it's emacs. Readline uses emacs-bindings by default so they're already familiar even for vim users. Why invent another modeless bindings? I see no reason for that. Aug 07 19:05:53 Q-Master: ^^^ Aug 07 19:06:46 TAsn: when you will consider which modules to keep please do remember about the dependencies which are not always obvious (as usb mass storage in fact needs scsi support). Aug 07 19:06:47 PaulFertser: probably p and n are less intuitive than arrow keys or something :) Aug 07 19:07:02 PaulFertser, of course. Aug 07 19:07:07 (the deps) Aug 07 19:07:16 (except that nano seems to do C-p and C-n) Aug 07 19:07:18 lindi-: they could have used both arrow keys and C-n C-p as is done by default in both emacs and readline nowadays. Aug 07 19:07:27 i'm using only ctrl+o, ctrl+x and ctrl+w in nano ;P Aug 07 19:07:30 PaulFertser: horrible amount of keyboard shortcuts for editing 1 small file - suxxx alot Aug 07 19:07:35 dos1: but it would be a good idea to change the default kbd to make it more finger friendly Aug 07 19:07:36 lindi-: i think nano doesn't do C-p C-n. Aug 07 19:07:42 PaulFertser: just tested and it does Aug 07 19:07:55 PaulFertser: even C-f and C-b Aug 07 19:07:58 PaulFertser, did you see the thread about gta01 kernel being too big? Aug 07 19:08:02 yes, it does Aug 07 19:08:17 lindi-: there was another major gotcha. Aug 07 19:08:17 PaulFertser: and C-a and C-e Aug 07 19:08:50 lindi-: i just don't remember which but it wasn't useable. Aug 07 19:09:06 mrmoku: no :( Aug 07 19:09:25 PaulFertser, shr-user... though I just saw he's talking about shr-testing... Aug 07 19:09:26 mrmoku: but the latest gta01 i built from stock "moredrivers" defconfig was <2M. Aug 07 19:09:31 * mrmoku checks kernel sizes Aug 07 19:09:58 PaulFertser, nvm... yeah its small enough :-) Aug 07 19:10:04 * mrmoku replies to mail Aug 07 19:11:25 Q-Master: (many keybindings) and don't forget readline defaults are pretty much emacs-compatible, so everybody is supposed to know that anyway. Aug 07 19:12:24 PaulFertser: on neo's keyboard any key shortcuts are pretty useless Aug 07 19:12:37 Q-Master: no they aren't :) Aug 07 19:12:40 Q-Master: i in fact tried using emacs on FR and it was ok. Aug 07 19:12:48 (i was surprised myself) Aug 07 19:12:48 arggh... image failed due to fsoraw :( Aug 07 19:13:03 mrmoku, lol, what's now? Aug 07 19:13:11 PaulFertser: on neo's keyboard? Aug 07 19:13:12 lindi-: M-f M-b doesn't work in nano! Aug 07 19:13:16 Q-Master: yes Aug 07 19:13:41 BTW, what about e's patch making keyboard transparent? Aug 07 19:13:49 lindi-: And C-x behaves quite unexpectadely. Aug 07 19:13:54 Q-Master, sounds cool! Aug 07 19:14:35 TAsn, looks like it moved its repo to somewhere else... Aug 07 19:14:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re96a20476874 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: fix posible division by zero when matching entries. Should fix delivery reports. Aug 07 19:14:54 mrmoku, bah, so consider dropping it ;) Aug 07 19:15:05 * TAsn is not a nice guy Aug 07 19:15:19 dos1: btw, searching for contacts didn't work Aug 07 19:15:32 TAsn, ? Aug 07 19:15:37 PaulFertser: well, there is no meta key in illume keyboard :D Aug 07 19:15:40 * mrmoku confused Aug 07 19:17:37 mrmoku, consider dropping fsoraw Aug 07 19:17:39 :) Aug 07 19:17:43 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Kernel%20Modules Aug 07 19:17:48 ppl: hack and slash! ^ Aug 07 19:18:33 TAsn, I just added it on your demand... can't drop that again ;) Aug 07 19:18:38 btw I'll translate it as is from hebrew, we have a saying here Aug 07 19:18:40 mrmoku, ok :) Aug 07 19:18:58 "more saint than the pope" Aug 07 19:19:17 which means you don't have to try to include everything Aug 07 19:19:23 you can cut yourself some slack Aug 07 19:19:33 (i'm talking about ipv6 modules on default) Aug 07 19:20:03 TAsn, we have that saying too Aug 07 19:20:13 mrmoku, same phrasing? Aug 07 19:20:22 TAsn, heiliger als der Papst Aug 07 19:20:23 yep Aug 07 19:20:30 yeah, cool :) Aug 07 19:20:37 well we jews came from europe Aug 07 19:20:47 (though I'm not a catholic... ;) Aug 07 19:20:51 (mostly from germany and poland after the holocaust) Aug 07 19:21:03 mrmoku, I'm not even christian ;) Aug 07 19:21:23 though we probably translated it from german some time at the past :) Aug 07 19:21:38 TAsn, but we have in common that we don't give a shit on the pope ;) Aug 07 19:21:52 mrmoku, aye :) Aug 07 19:28:53 bah, I forgot how to say it Aug 07 19:29:02 hm.. human interface guidelines Aug 07 19:29:05 there's a nice abbriviation Aug 07 19:29:16 abbreviation Aug 07 19:32:20 human interface guidelines Aug 07 19:32:21 ! ;) Aug 07 19:36:13 Q-Master: searching for contacts works, that's still your issue with russian letters :P Aug 07 19:36:25 Q-Master: here it works for umlauts from illume symbols keyboard... Aug 07 19:36:25 dos1, mrmoku here? Aug 07 19:36:34 so i don't know how to debug it more correctly :( Aug 07 19:36:40 dos1: you just lame. 8) Aug 07 19:37:06 TAsn: no :P Aug 07 19:38:39 dos1, caught you! Aug 07 19:38:49 ;D Aug 07 19:40:41 dos1, mrmoku, I want to see user involvement in the characterization of our new to be made GUI (as we seriously need a redesign) of course the way we'll build it (similar to phonegui) will let us create many UIs with different behaviors though with the same API, but I still want to see users sketches and want to know what they think and how do they think SHR should look like. Aug 07 19:40:43 what do you think? Aug 07 19:42:19 TAsn: nice Aug 07 19:42:33 do you think that's a good idea? Aug 07 19:42:53 btw of course with the correct infrastructure we can easily allow the use of Qalee for instance with a consistent API... Aug 07 19:43:03 of course Aug 07 19:43:12 that's why I'm trying to push this, as this will give us amazing power ;) Aug 07 19:43:13 TAsn, user involvement is always good Aug 07 19:43:37 mrmoku, so I guess I have another mail/blog post to write to shr-user Aug 07 19:43:45 i can provide some sketches based on my opimd-utils experiments Aug 07 19:43:49 though I first want some "core team" suggestions Aug 07 19:43:51 and after setting AUTOREV for fsoraw it even builds :P Aug 07 19:43:54 dos1, exactly what I was about to ask :) Aug 07 19:43:59 mrmoku, leet ;) Aug 07 19:44:14 dos1, please mail me (tom@stosb.com) Aug 07 19:44:18 what you have to suggest Aug 07 19:44:41 shit, I just wrote my email in a publicly logged chan :( here comes the spam... ;( Aug 07 19:44:55 anyhow, dos1 please send me some sketches/ideas Aug 07 19:45:06 based on your opimd-utils 2007 experience Aug 07 19:45:22 (maybe even iphone/android/nokia/(not samsung though!) exp as well) Aug 07 19:45:33 TAsn: firstly i have to draw those ;D Aug 07 19:45:57 dos1, don't forget my bubbles design in messages Aug 07 19:46:04 i.e chat style bubbles Aug 07 19:46:06 :) Aug 07 19:46:06 ;) Aug 07 19:46:10 yut Aug 07 19:46:13 yup* Aug 07 19:46:43 i would suggest opimd-notifier as is ATM, but with only one change Aug 07 19:47:35 change Reply button to Actions, add it also to missed calls and after clicking Actions display inwin with buttons Reply, Forward, Save (if contact isn't in phonebook) Aug 07 19:48:15 and maybe someone can invent better use for that messages/phonelog hoversel at bottom Aug 07 19:48:20 :) Aug 07 19:48:38 dos1, about that Aug 07 19:48:43 you should consider making it full screen Aug 07 19:48:50 non full screen apps look bad... ;\ Aug 07 19:48:59 opimd-notifier? Aug 07 19:49:02 aye Aug 07 19:49:08 (at least from what I saw from scap it's not) Aug 07 19:49:14 noooo... that's what i like in opimd-notifier Aug 07 19:49:23 it doesn't popup full-screen window Aug 07 19:49:36 but you can't use anything else anyway. Aug 07 19:49:43 just it's just an ugly blocker :) Aug 07 19:49:56 no, you can click on background and window will be switched back Aug 07 19:49:59 dos1: so do an option in setting for notifier to be full screen or not ;) Aug 07 19:50:04 hmm Aug 07 19:50:05 easy Aug 07 19:50:07 ;) Aug 07 19:50:17 but i'm for default being non-fullscreen Aug 07 19:50:51 bbl Aug 07 19:59:01 haha I spammed both shr-core and shr-user :) Aug 07 19:59:16 now after doing actually 0/zero/null school work today Aug 07 19:59:31 and since I have a paper to start and finish till 00:00 (it's 23:00 now) Aug 07 19:59:38 I'm off (not really, but trying to be...) Aug 07 20:05:46 oh, before I go Aug 07 20:05:53 mrmoku, heard about midbrowser? Aug 07 20:06:00 (have I asked you about it already?) Aug 07 20:06:25 that's what happens when you bind Aug 07 20:06:37 ALT+F3: open terminal Aug 07 20:06:45 ALT+F4: close window Aug 07 20:06:47 :) Aug 07 20:07:35 ok, down to 61568 KB ... still too much :( Aug 07 20:08:04 -screen? Aug 07 20:08:10 (that should be enough) Aug 07 20:08:21 mrmoku, please up the new and updated package list (and sizes) Aug 07 20:08:24 I'll review it again. Aug 07 20:08:26 TAsn, nah... I like PaulFertser too much for that ;) Aug 07 20:08:36 mrmoku, shit. ;) Aug 07 20:08:55 TAsn, overwrote the old one Aug 07 20:09:32 link me again please :) Aug 07 20:09:40 (I accidentally closed xchat) Aug 07 20:09:49 dos1, sent me the sketches? ;] Aug 07 20:10:25 dos1, (j/k) Aug 07 20:11:10 is screen really necessary by default? ;x opkg install screen and you can use it! Aug 07 20:11:12 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/installed-package-sizes.txt Aug 07 20:11:31 dos1, I couldn't agree more (actually I also suggested the same thing) Aug 07 20:11:41 mrmoku, thanks. Aug 07 20:11:51 mrmoku, I have an idea Aug 07 20:11:56 include an alias by default Aug 07 20:12:09 screen="opkg install screen && screen" Aug 07 20:12:18 oh and unset the alias. Aug 07 20:12:19 :P Aug 07 20:12:22 everyone will be happy ;) Aug 07 20:12:45 nah, I think I have to learn about how OE handles kernels and its modules instead Aug 07 20:13:00 mrmoku, I think it's just the kernel-modules package Aug 07 20:13:06 anyhow, i sent a mail to shr-user Aug 07 20:13:07 about it. Aug 07 20:13:16 I asked them to edit a wiki page with the list of kernel modules :) Aug 07 20:13:31 TAsn, nice of you... but will they also tell me how to achieve that? :P Aug 07 20:13:49 mrmoku, isn't there a kernel-modules package? Aug 07 20:14:41 dos1: there's meta key, mapped to "alt" by default. Aug 07 20:15:34 dos1: i think you can substitute screen by dtach. Aug 07 20:16:09 anyone build the glamo-dri in openembedded? i get a compiler error in glamo-draw.c Aug 07 20:16:41 mrmoku, I think removing the ipv6 modules will help, so learn how to do it and do it ;) Aug 07 20:16:43 TAsn, there is a package... but no such recipe Aug 07 20:16:50 i c. Aug 07 20:16:51 okie :) Aug 07 20:16:58 PaulFertser: but do we really need even dtach? Aug 07 20:17:04 some automatic kernel magic :P Aug 07 20:17:21 mrmoku, ! Aug 07 20:17:24 1288 KiB /all/e-wm-theme-default_0.16.999.050+svnr41040-r5.4_all.ipk Aug 07 20:17:26 don't we use Aug 07 20:17:29 e-wm-theme-shr Aug 07 20:17:30 ? Aug 07 20:17:30 :) Aug 07 20:17:53 if so Aug 07 20:17:55 dos1: hm it depends on what is your target. What are you preparing the image for? Aug 07 20:17:57 TAsn, I think we need that Aug 07 20:17:57 make it the default provider Aug 07 20:18:03 and that's it ;) Aug 07 20:18:06 because we just change some stuff Aug 07 20:18:07 mrmoku, crap :| Aug 07 20:18:12 not sure though Aug 07 20:18:54 mrmoku: we don't need e-wm-theme-illume, but we need default Aug 07 20:18:59 TAsn, hmm... will build a gta01 image now Aug 07 20:19:14 to see if it is smaller then the gta02 one Aug 07 20:19:30 hm mrmoku Aug 07 20:19:30 PaulFertser: just lite image with basic features. if you want more, then you can flash fat image or install what you want with opkg Aug 07 20:19:37 do you already have a gta02 image? Aug 07 20:19:41 (one that looks ok?) Aug 07 20:19:47 if so, please link me and let me test it :) Aug 07 20:20:21 PaulFertser, down to the core fat free image :) Aug 07 20:20:26 TAsn, no link to my personal laptop :P Aug 07 20:20:38 mrmoku, you should make one then... :P Aug 07 20:20:51 PaulFertser, something changed with the kernel Aug 07 20:20:59 haveing LOTS of output on screen while booting now Aug 07 20:21:03 dos1: iirc even mac os x has gnu screen preinstalled. So probably it's supposed to be an essential feature for any *nix system ;) Aug 07 20:21:05 # opkg whatdepends rsync Aug 07 20:21:05 Root set: Aug 07 20:21:05 rsync Aug 07 20:21:05 What depends on root set Aug 07 20:21:05 task-shr-minimal-base 2.0-r9 depends on rsync Aug 07 20:21:07 kill it! Aug 07 20:21:09 :) Aug 07 20:21:26 mrmoku: what's your loglevel? Aug 07 20:21:40 mrmoku: there were no changes wrt that for several months anyway. Aug 07 20:21:57 PaulFertser, hmm... booting with Qi from SD Aug 07 20:22:10 mrmoku: strange. What are messages about? Aug 07 20:22:16 mrmoku: maybe you accidentaly hold power button too long? Aug 07 20:22:36 mrmoku, rxvt-unicode Aug 07 20:22:37 dos1, ahh... that might be it Aug 07 20:22:38 wtf?! Aug 07 20:22:44 kill it! Aug 07 20:22:52 dos1: i couldn't thought of that despite i've added that feature myself ;) Aug 07 20:22:58 dos1: +1 for the good guess. Aug 07 20:22:58 task-shr-minimal-apps includes crap! Aug 07 20:23:04 I re-pressed power button because I was not sure it turned on by just putting the battery into Aug 07 20:23:15 mrmoku, ^ Aug 07 20:23:28 TAsn, you will leave us with a non working image ;) Aug 07 20:23:38 guess vala-terminal needs that, no? Aug 07 20:23:41 task-shr-minimal-x 2.0-r9 depends on localedef Aug 07 20:23:53 mrmoku, no, vala-terminal needs another fat thing, libvte9 :) Aug 07 20:24:01 ahh, ouch :) Aug 07 20:24:13 mrmoku, my view is this: Aug 07 20:24:16 http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Aa511258.aspx - *that's* what we all should read! :D Aug 07 20:24:17 if a package doesn't depend on it Aug 07 20:24:20 it doesn't need it Aug 07 20:24:28 ;) Aug 07 20:24:36 ahh, booted and registered :) Aug 07 20:24:44 opkg-cl configure on firstboot actually works :D Aug 07 20:24:48 localedef, rxvt-unicode <--- kill em both. Aug 07 20:24:55 mrmoku, what's that? the new gta02 image? Aug 07 20:25:10 my local shrinked gta02 image, yeah Aug 07 20:26:04 mrmoku, cool :) Aug 07 20:26:11 give all the apps on the desktop a try ;) Aug 07 20:26:11 there is even Microsoft® Windows® Touch Visual Guideline! Aug 07 20:26:13 :D Aug 07 20:26:23 dos1, I don't think we need that ;) Aug 07 20:26:32 TAsn, btw... 30 min left for your paper ;) Aug 07 20:26:42 mrmoku, I know ;( Aug 07 20:26:58 what is localedef about? Aug 07 20:27:01 mrmoku, I figured i'll never make it in time so'll just submit it tomorrow Aug 07 20:27:04 mrmoku, creating locales Aug 07 20:27:06 ... Aug 07 20:27:13 TAsn: and that page is fscked up in konqueror :D Aug 07 20:27:37 mrmoku, anyhow, I think that if all the apps on your desktop work you can call this image a success and build it on bulidhost and give an a new unstable image! :) Aug 07 20:28:09 dos1, probably will be the same in every non-broken browser ;) Aug 07 20:28:11 and then new testing image! Aug 07 20:28:19 dos1, AYE! :) Aug 07 20:28:40 * dos1 really wants to break unstable with new cutting-edge stuff :P Aug 07 20:28:56 btw dos1 did you read my mail in coreteam or did you paste this page by coincidence? Aug 07 20:29:02 * TAsn agrees with dos! Aug 07 20:29:15 TAsn: i read mail ;) Aug 07 20:29:19 I want to rape phonegui already! Aug 07 20:29:26 though I promised mrmoku I won't do any havoc Aug 07 20:29:31 dos1, okie, cool ;) Aug 07 20:29:40 I want to create a wiki page about the GUI Aug 07 20:29:53 and define the GUI with the community before we design it Aug 07 20:29:58 (the default efl GUI) Aug 07 20:30:09 and also define GUI standards for other devs Aug 07 20:30:32 ok, ripping rxvt-unicode and localedef... Aug 07 20:30:43 mrmoku, :) Aug 07 20:30:47 one byte at a time. Aug 07 20:30:56 though we are getting there. Aug 07 20:31:01 mrmoku, how's the image? does it work? Aug 07 20:31:14 (all the desktop apps and such? Aug 07 20:31:15 ) Aug 07 20:32:02 TAsn, looks good, yeah Aug 07 20:32:13 btw, 64mb is not a reasonable threshold! Aug 07 20:32:32 I think we should consider stopping to support gta01's NAND and only support gta01's sd boot, what do you think? Aug 07 20:32:43 mrmoku, so build and sync! :) Aug 07 20:32:48 * TAsn wants a taste as well. Aug 07 20:33:02 TAsn, hmm... somehow I got the feeling one icon is missing... Aug 07 20:33:09 how many icons has the lite image? Aug 07 20:34:00 mrmoku, gpe-filemanager maybe? Aug 07 20:34:04 :) Aug 07 20:34:07 ahh.. yes :D Aug 07 20:34:27 and it looks like everything is working :) Aug 07 20:34:36 Alarm, contacts, dialer, tango, messages, phonelog, mokonnect?, midori?, settings, terminal Aug 07 20:34:36 iirc Aug 07 20:34:40 TAsn: for the lite image? Aug 07 20:34:41 mrmoku, sweet ;) Aug 07 20:34:51 TAsn: are you going to provide at least something that fits gta01's nand? Aug 07 20:34:59 PaulFertser, what are you talking about? gta01 support? Aug 07 20:35:02 TAsn: yes Aug 07 20:35:12 PaulFertser, don't listen to TAsn :P Aug 07 20:35:15 yes we will Aug 07 20:35:15 for every image... Aug 07 20:35:29 shit. ;) Aug 07 20:35:56 TAsn, we have to discuss more image flavours btw. Aug 07 20:36:05 there is demand for cli and x-only images Aug 07 20:36:11 mrmoku, I know. Aug 07 20:36:24 and that's a reasonable demand, as we replace fso. Aug 07 20:36:28 yep Aug 07 20:36:33 (*merged with fso) Aug 07 20:36:47 mrmoku, we should just do a more correct split of the tasks Aug 07 20:37:08 and just include in a pyramid like way Aug 07 20:37:14 yep Aug 07 20:37:17 *depend in a pyramid like way Aug 07 20:37:20 shouldn't be hard Aug 07 20:37:34 first shr-testing image though ;) Aug 07 20:38:09 mrmoku, aye! :) Aug 07 20:38:26 mrmoku, do you think we'll be able to have one this weekend? Aug 07 20:38:46 (i.e test unstable tomorrow and then just copy everything to testing and build it?) Aug 07 20:39:00 TAsn, not sure if that is feasable Aug 07 20:39:27 unfortunately, I agree :( Aug 07 20:39:51 but we will have a new rock solid unstable image :) Aug 07 20:40:01 and can start to work on the testing one Aug 07 20:40:05 again, stable unstable :D Aug 07 20:40:07 mrmoku, and groundwork for testing? Aug 07 20:40:22 mrmoku, please duplicate all the revs Aug 07 20:40:23 TAsn, don't think there is anymore groundwork needed Aug 07 20:40:30 TAsn, already did that Aug 07 20:40:34 cool Aug 07 20:40:39 just have to set them Aug 07 20:40:43 so how many days of testing do we want to give it? Aug 07 20:40:57 was already thinking about some automatism :) Aug 07 20:41:06 to gather revs from an unstable image Aug 07 20:42:07 mrmoku, :) Aug 07 20:42:18 I'm testing ffalarm atm Aug 07 20:42:18 ok, tried every icon and all apps work :D Aug 07 20:42:32 if it works I'll want to replace elementary-alarm Aug 07 20:42:33 :) Aug 07 20:42:38 TAsn, I think a majority of users (including me) would like that :) Aug 07 20:42:48 It looks WAY better. Aug 07 20:42:49 :) Aug 07 20:43:03 and many complain that elementary-alarm just doesn't work for them. Aug 07 20:43:16 and ffalarms is more FSO compatible Aug 07 20:43:29 is it? Aug 07 20:43:33 what's the differences? Aug 07 20:43:38 * TAsn is interested Aug 07 20:43:43 will testing be again only a snapshot of unstable, or do we update it with tested packages, this time? Aug 07 20:43:46 TAsn, elm-alarm uses its own wakerd thingie Aug 07 20:43:46 I just installed it after reading trac tickets :) Aug 07 20:43:51 TAsn: it uses FSO interface for RTC Aug 07 20:43:52 and ffalarms is using fso-atd Aug 07 20:43:56 I'm too user oriented and not enough of a user myself :) Aug 07 20:43:57 yup Aug 07 20:44:02 via fso-atd ;) Aug 07 20:44:21 Heinervdm: the plan is to update it Aug 07 20:44:30 dos1: good :) Aug 07 20:44:50 Heinervdm, yeah, we promise to do that regulary from now on Aug 07 20:44:52 then it can be a usable image Aug 07 20:45:06 and might even start to care about upgrade paths Aug 07 20:45:36 mrmoku, ffalarms works great Aug 07 20:45:41 though it's noise is too weak! :( Aug 07 20:45:49 it should start stronger Aug 07 20:45:50 dos1: what's with my ContactsDomain? :P Aug 07 20:45:55 I know it amps itself overtime Aug 07 20:46:08 but I'm waiting for over a minute now to hear something that'll actually wake me ;) Aug 07 20:46:19 oh and there's another issue Aug 07 20:46:21 TAsn, IIRC there is some config Aug 07 20:46:25 to tweak stuff Aug 07 20:46:33 it should ask for CPU resource Aug 07 20:46:41 so it won't suspend while beeping Aug 07 20:46:51 but anyhow, mrmoku include it please Aug 07 20:46:54 as default Aug 07 20:46:58 it passed my tests... :) Aug 07 20:47:02 worked from suspend Aug 07 20:47:05 and worked great. Aug 07 20:49:04 TAsn, IIRC again... it should do even that Aug 07 20:49:21 TAsn, though... there is the new vala version of ffalarms Aug 07 20:49:42 and it does not build right now, because of libeflvala needing a EFL bump ;) Aug 07 20:49:54 mrmoku, DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT! Aug 07 20:50:01 DON'T TOUCH THAT EFL REV! Aug 07 20:50:31 * ssweeny prepares more symlinks for elmdentica Aug 07 20:51:05 TAsn, then forget ffalarms for now ;) Aug 07 20:51:28 brb Aug 07 20:51:29 mrmoku, it's still better than elementary-alarm Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rcc1ea05aaae9 10framework/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Aug 07 20:53:16 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py Aug 07 20:56:48 mrmoku: build python version ::P Aug 07 20:58:22 Heinervdm: every dos/opimd-tracking commit means work at GenericDomain Aug 07 20:58:26 ;) Aug 07 20:58:56 dos1: i cloned your branch localy ;) Aug 07 20:59:12 it's crap atm Aug 07 20:59:14 :D Aug 07 20:59:33 because of that i'm waiting ;) Aug 07 21:00:23 i've written a bb recipe for ace-of-penguins today, because i had nothing to do ;) Aug 07 21:02:47 Heinervdm, next time you have nothing to do please let me know ;) Aug 07 21:03:05 Heinervdm: did you send it to SHR? : Aug 07 21:03:07 :D Aug 07 21:03:39 dos1: i had no time to test it, because my wanted to go swimming :D Aug 07 21:04:10 TAsn: if dos1 doesn't finish GenericDomain till Sunday, i will have time on Sunday Aug 07 21:04:47 * TAsn is starting to write a todo for Heinervdm ;] Aug 07 21:04:47 :D Aug 07 21:05:05 TAsn: i prefere Java ;) Aug 07 21:05:34 * TAsn is deleting the todo and putting Heinervdm on ignore. Aug 07 21:05:42 :D Aug 07 21:05:53 but C and python are ok Aug 07 21:06:06 * TAsn is getting pissed, rewriting the todo... Aug 07 21:06:08 and bitbake recipes too Aug 07 21:06:16 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r506df892e158 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: get rid of SingleQueryHandler - use one from query_manager Aug 07 21:06:27 * TAsn adds more stuff to the todo Aug 07 21:07:06 TAsn: Perhaps some todo in the wiki would be nice, with priority Aug 07 21:07:39 so people can look at it and do when they have some time Aug 07 21:07:50 And name assignments, and hours estimated :D Aug 07 21:07:51 I'm starting/trying to make SHR more community driven (in decision making) so I'm encouraging wiki use ): Aug 07 21:07:57 meant :) Aug 07 21:09:31 F4t, we are NOT moving to assembla! Aug 07 21:09:35 F4t: and when time will be reached flying spaghetti monster will check, if everything was done on time and he'll spank with pasta if it wasn't ;) Aug 07 21:09:44 One can look at the tickets on trac, but this are mostley things core-team have to do Aug 07 21:10:04 TAsn, wasnt suggesting that :D Aug 07 21:10:26 Heinervdm, smileys in sms messages? Aug 07 21:10:43 hahah :D Aug 07 21:10:45 mrmoku, anyhow, I think we can move to ffalarms ! :) I'm telling 576 we will package 0.2.3 asap and include it in the next image, what do you think? Aug 07 21:11:10 I never think... that's part of my problem ;) Aug 07 21:11:21 mrmoku, so just nod. ;) Aug 07 21:11:23 F4t: that's a thing for phonegui, but that has to be rewritten completely for opimd, so it's useless now Aug 07 21:11:39 * mrmoku nods horizontally :P Aug 07 21:11:45 Heinervdm, not quite. Aug 07 21:11:59 Heinervdm, we'll probably be able to use that if you implement it. Aug 07 21:12:18 it's only s/:)/ for the message text Aug 07 21:12:30 efl will take care of the rest. Aug 07 21:13:30 TAsn: ok, your right thats one methode, with some text replace und this can be reused quiet good Aug 07 21:13:53 * TAsn rules! :) Aug 07 21:14:00 Heinervdm, up for the job? :) Aug 07 21:14:21 (it's quite easy actually, just too tired to do it) Aug 07 21:14:40 TAsn: let's wait till sunday, i wan't do go to bed now Aug 07 21:14:50 Heinervdm, sounds reasonable enough. Aug 07 21:15:00 :) Aug 07 21:15:36 * TAsn thinks the IRC protocol should include a timezone feature, i.e you'll insert nick/name/timezone/etc ;) and i'll be able to whois someone and check his timezone... that'll solve a lot of problems :) Aug 07 21:16:12 23:16 here Aug 07 21:16:14 :D Aug 07 21:16:16 but i Aug 07 21:16:33 +'ll be still there for few hours Aug 07 21:16:34 23:16 too Aug 07 21:16:54 i think i'll go to sleep ~2 AM Aug 07 21:17:20 00:16 Aug 07 21:17:23 but i'll also be here. Aug 07 21:17:31 good night :) Aug 07 21:17:47 night. Aug 07 21:17:53 nighe ;) Aug 07 21:18:04 ... Aug 07 21:18:20 i did typo and i was late... Aug 07 21:18:25 * dos1 feels so useless Aug 07 21:18:27 ;D Aug 07 21:24:41 I think i'll fix #377 tomorrow... Aug 07 21:25:20 i'll have to see if I have time. Aug 07 21:26:53 TAsn: i think it can be done automatic Aug 07 21:27:02 it can Aug 07 21:27:07 you just have to probe the state Aug 07 21:27:15 yup Aug 07 21:27:29 dos1, don't forget libframeworkd efl now manages the sound while in a call ;) Aug 07 21:27:37 dos1, my only issue Aug 07 21:27:39 TAsn: i'm not forgeting Aug 07 21:27:41 ;) Aug 07 21:27:47 is inserting it/removing it while in a call... Aug 07 21:28:02 TAsn: there is signal for that Aug 07 21:28:03 it can also be done Aug 07 21:28:05 I know. Aug 07 21:28:15 dos1, but it means work ;) Aug 07 21:28:26 in python it's death simple :D Aug 07 21:28:31 as phonegui itself shouldn't respond to signals Aug 07 21:28:32 bah. Aug 07 21:28:40 I'll write to change ophonekitd as well. Aug 07 21:28:40 :) Aug 07 21:28:56 i'll start with the infrastructure in phonegui efl. Aug 07 21:29:12 Yay :D Aug 07 21:29:19 mrmoku, ? Aug 07 21:29:21 gta01 image has 51MB:) Aug 07 21:29:25 :))))) Aug 07 21:29:33 so we gut ripped it for nothing! :) Aug 07 21:29:52 mrmoku, look in shr-devel Aug 07 21:30:05 someone claims there's a "yesterday's image" Aug 07 21:30:07 * dos1 wonders, if gta01 works ;D Aug 07 21:30:22 dos1, the device or the image? Aug 07 21:30:22 TAsn: no, that's self-built image Aug 07 21:30:29 TAsn: image on device :D Aug 07 21:30:35 dos1, oh, fuck him then :) Aug 07 21:30:39 :) Aug 07 21:30:55 mrmoku, please build on buildhost and let's release a new unstable image already! :) Aug 07 21:31:10 TAsn: it would be funny if he was on this chan ;D Aug 07 21:31:10 (as you can probably see, I'm anxious to reflash) Aug 07 21:31:20 dos1, nah, I was joking anyway Aug 07 21:31:30 (since I know this chan in publicly logged...) Aug 07 21:31:33 :) Aug 07 21:31:48 TAsn: do you think i'm not joking? :D Aug 07 21:31:50 TAsn: well Aug 07 21:31:54 dos1, I know you are. Aug 07 21:31:57 TAsn: everything i do is just joke Aug 07 21:32:02 shr-settings, opimd Aug 07 21:32:03 dos1, haha, same here. Aug 07 21:32:04 it's all ilusion Aug 07 21:32:26 it all will disappear 1.04 ;) Aug 07 21:32:33 lol. Aug 07 21:32:54 exactly what I was about to say (though I haven't thought about 1.04, just thought about general disappearance) Aug 07 21:33:03 mrmoku, build & sync? :) Aug 07 21:33:40 TAsn, first commit Aug 07 21:33:46 mrmoku, ? Aug 07 21:33:50 I'm talking about unstable Aug 07 21:33:51 :) Aug 07 21:33:54 not about anything Aug 07 21:33:56 else Aug 07 21:33:56 :) Aug 07 21:34:17 (I just figured you probably thought I was talking about phonegui) Aug 07 21:34:31 TAsn, have to commit the OE stuff I locally did to shrink the beast Aug 07 21:34:43 go go go ;) Aug 07 21:35:19 mrmoku, and please consider Aug 07 21:35:24 moving to ffalarms Aug 07 21:36:17 (after all, it's a one-liner...) Aug 07 21:37:26 I wish this semester would be over already, I want to start writing npkg + a complete libframeworkd-phonegui fix! :( Aug 07 21:38:11 though it seems that'll only have time to write libframeworkd-phonegui in the following two weeks or so. Aug 07 21:38:14 (at least) Aug 07 21:38:29 pimd_contacts.py has now only 500 lines Aug 07 21:38:34 and it still works :D Aug 07 21:38:50 dos1, lol, cool ;) Aug 07 21:39:00 pimd_messages had 1200 :D Aug 07 21:39:10 s/had/has/ Aug 07 21:39:10 dos1 meant: pimd_messages has 1200 :D Aug 07 21:39:18 oh :( Aug 07 21:39:23 as on GenericDomain there is only contacts right now Aug 07 21:39:26 well, at least there's potential. Aug 07 21:40:07 messages still doesn't use genericdomain Aug 07 21:46:21 i know Aug 07 21:46:27 that's why I said there's still potential. Aug 07 21:46:40 btw Aug 07 21:46:50 everyone should watch: http://free-electrons.com/blog/elc-2009-videos/ Aug 07 21:47:06 btw Aug 07 21:47:50 I want to rename libframeworkd-phonegui after we decide about the new API, first of all to prevent confusion, second of all, because it's an UGLY name! :) Aug 07 21:50:07 * mrmoku got used to the beauty of that name ;) Aug 07 21:50:46 I can't even spell it correctly ;) Aug 07 21:51:05 wasn't it libfrmkd-phonegi? Aug 07 21:51:09 XD Aug 07 21:51:12 mrmoku, see? Aug 07 21:51:13 :) Aug 07 21:53:45 libfso-phoneui Aug 07 21:54:03 libphone-ui Aug 07 21:54:04 :) Aug 07 21:54:14 (same convention as libphone-utils) Aug 07 21:54:14 :) Aug 07 21:54:15 :D Aug 07 21:54:30 ok, now i have 300 lines in pimd_contacts Aug 07 21:54:38 at least I'm consistent. ;) Aug 07 21:54:41 dos1, still works? Aug 07 21:54:43 but now it doesn't work :D Aug 07 21:54:43 no bugs? Aug 07 21:54:43 ;) Aug 07 21:54:46 oh, lol. Aug 07 21:54:51 I bet I can make it 0 Aug 07 21:54:54 and get the same result :) Aug 07 21:55:15 btw, how's opim going? Aug 07 21:55:37 admiral0, dos1 is working on it. Aug 07 21:55:41 though as you can see Aug 07 21:55:44 he's trying to break it. Aug 07 21:55:51 ah Aug 07 21:55:52 he calls it stress testing... Aug 07 21:55:58 TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) Aug 07 21:55:59 :D Aug 07 21:56:01 I call it being stupid :) Aug 07 21:56:16 :) Aug 07 21:56:23 dos1.... Wiedi has just died because of it Aug 07 21:56:36 lol Aug 07 21:58:48 btw Aug 07 21:58:59 virtual boy advance got ported! :) Aug 07 21:59:04 how cool is that?! :) Aug 07 21:59:12 dos1, if you commit something now that will break the build... I will come to Poland personally to spank you ;) Aug 07 21:59:46 hey all - is it possible to get the build of epdfview in the shr repository build from the svn sources, rather than the latest release? Current svn head has a really useful mouse-gesture for skipping pages. makes it useable in fullscreen mode... Aug 07 21:59:55 TAsn that is really cool Aug 07 21:59:57 mrmoku, It's ~3 hour flight from here to poland, please consider waiting for me. Aug 07 22:00:26 lol Aug 07 22:00:26 * dos1 is checking if he is really isn't working on master branch ;x Aug 07 22:00:26 wjbaird, sweet! I was looking for something like this! Aug 07 22:00:33 * mrmoku goes by car to collect some cells on the road and will then wait real close to dos1 for TAsn :) Aug 07 22:00:34 wjbaird, please open a trac ticket about it. Aug 07 22:00:49 mrmoku, fair enough. Add my to your tango friends. Aug 07 22:01:00 TAsn: ok, will do. The copy on opkg.org has the patch in it - I was using it on om2009 quite successfully... Aug 07 22:01:08 TAsn, i really need a nes emulator though Aug 07 22:01:17 TAsn, it's quite some year ago I danced my last Tango :P Aug 07 22:01:26 aaah, what beatiful memories *_* Aug 07 22:01:33 mrmoku, you have 3 hours to get back in shape. Aug 07 22:01:39 admiral0, aye ;) Aug 07 22:01:51 TAsn, you prefer the female part I hope ;) Aug 07 22:02:45 mrmoku, I don't think I got the question, though I'm not gay if that's what you were asking. Aug 07 22:02:47 :) Aug 07 22:03:11 TAsn, nah... if you want to dance some Tango with me... one of us has to lead, no? Aug 07 22:03:16 * mrmoku prefers to do that ;) Aug 07 22:03:24 that's was my second guess. Aug 07 22:03:31 well, I don't mind you leading. Aug 07 22:03:42 TAsn, and don't forget to bring the rose with you :P Aug 07 22:03:59 mrmoku, are you sure it's my responsibility? Aug 07 22:04:11 TAsn, first you have it in your mouth... and then we can use it to spank dos1 ;) Aug 07 22:04:36 mrmoku, I know, but I thought you are supposed to offer it to me. Aug 07 22:04:54 mrmoku - probably good no one joined the channel about 40s ago... Aug 07 22:04:54 TAsn, ok... will bring it then Aug 07 22:05:30 mrmoku, damn, you just made me look cheap! Aug 07 22:05:48 I'm not, I just live in a world of perfect gentlemen! :) Aug 07 22:05:54 :) Aug 07 22:06:00 :D Aug 07 22:06:15 * mrmoku is GERman not GENTLEman :P Aug 07 22:06:30 what about some fresh, cutting-edge commit? :> Aug 07 22:06:34 * dos1 hides :D Aug 07 22:06:41 * mrmoku starts the car Aug 07 22:06:52 mrmoku, cool, since I already bought plane tickets. Aug 07 22:07:02 actually just one. Aug 07 22:07:15 dos1, ok... frameworkd built... do whatever you want :) Aug 07 22:07:21 mrmoku, :) Aug 07 22:07:27 * TAsn is waiting for a new image :) Aug 07 22:07:29 ;D Aug 07 22:07:32 TAsn, try to sell them on ebay then :P Aug 07 22:07:55 mrmoku, I think I'll offer them as a reward in the shr logo contest Aug 07 22:08:36 including rose to spank dos1? Aug 07 22:08:46 admiral0, sorry, but no ;( Aug 07 22:08:56 nooooù Aug 07 22:09:01 that was mrmoku's, not mine, I can't sell it. Aug 07 22:09:55 * TAsn is going to take a quick shave (I want to look good for the new image) Aug 07 22:09:57 * admiral0 has just finished to compile fso-abyss and Aug 07 22:10:14 ... Aug 07 22:13:42 i almost fixed contacts domain Aug 07 22:13:44 :D Aug 07 22:14:39 dos1... what about messages? Aug 07 22:15:56 admiral0: i didn't touch messages, so they still work :P Aug 07 22:15:56 I have a question about licenses Aug 07 22:16:14 let's say I write a GPL app that supports the use of loadable modules Aug 07 22:16:28 guys if i want to make an sd bootable by QI, what do i need? as in... partition type, should i split it to one partition for boot, and one for rootfs? and where do i put the uimage with what name? Aug 07 22:16:34 can someone write a proprietary module? Aug 07 22:16:48 TAsn: hmm Aug 07 22:16:50 F4t, you need one partitoin Aug 07 22:16:52 TAsn: linux is on GPL Aug 07 22:16:52 partition Aug 07 22:17:00 TAsn: and there are proprietary modules Aug 07 22:17:01 F4t untar everything on a ext2/ext3 partition Aug 07 22:17:10 TAsn: the derivation is a complex question... Aug 07 22:17:20 and uimage? in /boot? Aug 07 22:17:20 PaulFertser, no derivation Aug 07 22:17:24 F4t, no Aug 07 22:17:25 with what name? Aug 07 22:17:25 TAsn: if the module is tightly integrated it's derived. Aug 07 22:17:32 the rootfs includes the kernel image Aug 07 22:17:37 F4t: uImage should be in already image Aug 07 22:17:44 s/in already/already in/ Aug 07 22:17:44 dos1 meant: F4t: uImage should be already in image Aug 07 22:17:46 F4t, or even better, just read the Qi page :) Aug 07 22:17:50 TAsn, you sure about it? Aug 07 22:18:00 will read Aug 07 22:18:03 was just trying to save time Aug 07 22:18:04 TAsn: if you have header files that are GPL that are required to build the extensions, than I believe the extension must also be GPL... Aug 07 22:18:05 F4t, even if I wasn't 3 ppl echoed the same answer ;) Aug 07 22:18:20 wjbaird: headers can't be GPL iirc. Aug 07 22:18:30 PaulFertser, why not? Aug 07 22:18:42 hi all Aug 07 22:18:47 TAsn: not copyrightable. Aug 07 22:18:50 any known problems with opkg upgrading today? Aug 07 22:18:56 PaulFertser: why not? Aug 07 22:18:58 anyhow, I think new libframeworkdphonegui-thenameistoolong Aug 07 22:19:06 will be lgpl Aug 07 22:19:19 PaulFertser, really? that's interesting. :) Aug 07 22:19:25 you meant frmrkd-phngi Aug 07 22:19:26 Zorkman, just wait Aug 07 22:19:45 we (mrmoku) are building a new unstable image as we speak Aug 07 22:19:53 hopefully you'll be able to upgrade the. Aug 07 22:19:57 admiral0, I meant Aug 07 22:20:01 libphone-ui ;) Aug 07 22:20:10 aaaah that one Aug 07 22:20:14 that can include the modules: Aug 07 22:20:15 XD Aug 07 22:20:16 libphone-ui-efl Aug 07 22:20:21 libphone-ui-gtk Aug 07 22:20:22 .. :) Aug 07 22:20:24 TAsn: "Several court decisions have been rendered which suggest that the 'purely functional' elements of a computer program are not copyrightable." Aug 07 22:20:29 TAsn: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2001-February/000204.html Aug 07 22:20:31 libphone-ui-qt? Aug 07 22:20:37 admiral0, hopefully Aug 07 22:20:42 I want the qalee guy to work on that. Aug 07 22:20:48 but I also want to see Aug 07 22:20:59 libphone-ui-efl-classic Aug 07 22:21:02 libphone-ui-efl-geek Aug 07 22:21:10 TAsn: why do you want that libframeworkblbla to be LGPL instead of GPL? Aug 07 22:21:12 (i.e many layouts and functionalities) Aug 07 22:21:23 i have an idea for libphone-ui-geek Aug 07 22:21:26 TAsn: why do you want to allow proprietary programs using tha lib? Aug 07 22:21:28 use mdbus Aug 07 22:21:36 XD Aug 07 22:21:37 PaulFertser, as I don't mind proprietary programs to use the lib Aug 07 22:21:48 PaulFertser, I believe in a couple of things Aug 07 22:22:04 first of all freedom of info Aug 07 22:22:05 TAsn: bsd folks don't mind others borrowing their code too. Aug 07 22:22:13 I'm a bsd folk at heart Aug 07 22:22:23 Ok, i understand. Aug 07 22:22:24 though I don't want ppl to improve my code Aug 07 22:22:30 I do want* Aug 07 22:22:35 and not steal it Aug 07 22:22:36 :) Aug 07 22:22:41 (i.e close it) Aug 07 22:22:50 but I don't mind the to write their own code Aug 07 22:22:57 and do whatever they want Aug 07 22:23:07 with my software Aug 07 22:24:15 let's take ofono for example Aug 07 22:24:30 actually a bad example Aug 07 22:24:34 very bad Aug 07 22:24:45 :P Aug 07 22:24:47 but for instance, I don't mind that nokia will use my code Aug 07 22:24:59 because there are two possibilites Aug 07 22:25:18 is there a way to add a variable to a *.desktop file to launch it fullscreen? Aug 07 22:25:28 the first: they don't use my code, rewrite everything, the consumers get unsecure crap and no one benefits Aug 07 22:25:59 the second: they do use my code, find bugs, improve it, and contribute back, to still keep their IP when it comes to other portions of their phone. Aug 07 22:26:37 or third : rthey close up all code working on their branch Aug 07 22:26:48 that's why I use lpgl Aug 07 22:26:50 lgpl Aug 07 22:26:52 and not bsd Aug 07 22:26:57 as I want contributions ;) Aug 07 22:27:32 domain is now working... Aug 07 22:27:38 but contacts in domain aren't ;x Aug 07 22:28:03 i hope i'll finish it today Aug 07 22:28:19 PaulFertser: that article about headers you posted seems to say that it's ok to reverse-engineer headers, but that a header can still be copy-righted... i.e. that I could gpl a header, and your app would become gpl if you included the header. but that it'd be legal for you to reverse engineer an equivilent header and use that without having to be gpl... Although I admit it's a subtle difference... Aug 07 22:28:21 I also hope ;) Aug 07 22:28:45 wjbaird, a very subtle Aug 07 22:28:56 than can be solved by a quick sed script :) Aug 07 22:28:57 :) Aug 07 22:29:35 wjbaird: i can't find a good description right now but to me it still seems headers can't be copyrighted. Aug 07 22:30:22 PaulFertser: so if I write a short story and include it as comments in a header file it can't be copyrighted? /duck and hide Aug 07 22:31:30 TAsn, still building... Aug 07 22:31:34 I'm going to bed now Aug 07 22:31:41 PaulFertser: more seriously in some cases (C++ templates for instance) there can be a *lot* of *real code* in a header... Aug 07 22:31:47 you know where to get it, right? Aug 07 22:31:55 mrmoku, no Aug 07 22:32:05 and I also don't know how to know if it finished or not ;) Aug 07 22:32:17 dos1, you know? Aug 07 22:32:53 mrmoku: mrmoku directory? Aug 07 22:33:09 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Aug 07 22:33:20 yup Aug 07 22:33:31 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/22580/ <- progress Aug 07 22:33:35 mrmoku, just wait for a 8/8 to pop? Aug 07 22:33:36 and maybe check the testlab, if evas-engines and frameworkd-config-shr are included Aug 07 22:33:36 i think Aug 07 22:33:51 TAsn, ? Aug 07 22:34:08 just wait for a new image pops? Aug 07 22:34:17 TAsn, ahh, yes Aug 07 22:34:22 mrmoku, or even better, is F4t's link correct? Aug 07 22:34:24 or check the tinderbox F4t pointed out Aug 07 22:34:29 lol Aug 07 22:34:38 cool. Aug 07 22:34:45 mrmoku, you are free to go ;) Aug 07 22:34:52 fine... gnight all :) Aug 07 22:34:53 night and thanks a lot! :) Aug 07 22:34:56 dont forget to punch out the card Aug 07 22:34:58 pn the way out Aug 07 22:35:01 on* Aug 07 22:35:11 mrmoku, tomorrow respond to my core/user mails :) Aug 07 22:36:18 TAsn, will consider it ;) Aug 07 22:36:30 cool :) Aug 07 22:40:58 * TAsn is also off. Aug 07 22:41:08 ~2am here and I have more studying to do ;) Aug 07 22:41:22 will flash tomorrow Aug 07 22:41:25 first thing at the morning Aug 07 22:41:32 please everyone who can Aug 07 22:41:33 do the same Aug 07 22:41:39 we really need a working image ;) Aug 07 22:45:18 WTF? Aug 07 22:45:33 i fixed everything, and now frameworkd just silently quits after loading... Aug 07 22:47:26 dos1: now we all know what frameworkd was really designed to do ;) Aug 07 22:48:06 gdb says: broken pipe from dbus... Aug 07 22:48:14 arghh Aug 07 22:48:44 dos1 i've just built frameworkd should i borrow the rose from mrmoku? Aug 07 22:48:50 XD Aug 07 22:49:07 admiral0_: nothing is commited yet, and it's in different branch Aug 07 22:49:17 dos1 phew Aug 07 22:49:21 :D Aug 07 22:56:39 habemus FSO.. or something like that Aug 07 23:05:20 how to debug dbus broken pipe? :// Aug 07 23:05:36 heh, i'll take a shower... Aug 07 23:11:49 dos1 use a dbus-plumber Aug 07 23:12:48 dos1|away, or just install virtual boy advance and call mario & luigi Aug 07 23:12:53 call/load ;] Aug 07 23:18:59 oohh lah lah, so much to upgrade Aug 07 23:19:19 Blu3, WAIT Aug 07 23:19:25 we'll have new packages tomorrow Aug 07 23:19:32 wait a couple of hours Aug 07 23:19:32 :) Aug 07 23:19:37 i've already started :) Aug 07 23:19:46 i'll up again in few hours then :) Aug 07 23:21:33 :) Aug 07 23:21:58 (maybe not new packages, and only an image, though I think only packages) Aug 07 23:40:59 * admiral0|away is away: Gone away for now Aug 07 23:58:49 strange Aug 07 23:59:01 it works after commenting NewContact signal... Aug 08 00:06:01 it works Aug 08 00:06:04 :) Aug 08 00:28:44 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r640a3a99b988 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: opimd: CSV-Contacts: Update function names Aug 08 00:28:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r66f4369d0214 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite-Contacts: update function names Aug 08 00:28:46 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r008f59004353 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: Query manager: fix variable name Aug 08 00:28:46 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd415f1f50a4e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic domain: general fixes Aug 08 00:28:48 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd50f39522139 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: inherit from GenericDomain, general fixes Aug 08 00:32:10 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r731e55131bb4 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: fix dbus signature in GetContactPath Aug 08 00:33:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r15eb57684a9d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic: fix dbus signatures Aug 08 00:34:13 317 lines... quite good Aug 08 00:40:48 TAsn: ping Aug 08 00:41:01 TAsn: contacts domain is now based on genericdomain :) Aug 08 00:41:25 TAsn: there is one class which doesn't inherit, but it's small (3 methods)... Aug 08 00:41:32 and it works! :D Aug 08 00:47:57 ok, i'm going to bed now Aug 08 00:48:04 good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 08 02:59:57 2009