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Aug 08 07:27:33 <mrmoku> all this hard work and nobody actually tried the image :(
Aug 08 07:28:59 <mrmoku> TAsn, will use the rose for you then... be prepared ;)
Aug 08 07:29:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, I downloaded it!
Aug 08 07:29:17 <TAsn> I just woke up
Aug 08 07:29:24 <TAsn> and started to flash it.
Aug 08 07:29:40 <TAsn> btw mrmoku please rebuild callrec (and use the new bb I sent you, it's important)
Aug 08 07:29:42 <mrmoku> TAsn, ahh :)
Aug 08 07:29:44 <TAsn> as atm it doesn't work. ;)
Aug 08 07:29:56 <TAsn> because of the move to shr scenarii ;)
Aug 08 07:30:26 <mrmoku> TAsn, where did you send that to?
Aug 08 07:30:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, gave you a link at pm
Aug 08 07:30:50 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Aug 08 07:31:36 <TAsn> 256 mb sd is enough for testing the image, right? :)
Aug 08 07:32:38 <mrmoku> TAsn, :)
Aug 08 07:32:49 <TAsn> after the diet we did.. :)
Aug 08 07:32:50 <mrmoku> that's what we worked on... remember? to shrink it :D
Aug 08 07:33:12 <mrmoku> schasch, ping
Aug 08 07:33:49 <TAsn> anyhow got the link to the new bb
Aug 08 07:33:58 <schasch> mrmoku:pong
Aug 08 07:33:59 <TAsn> or do you want me to link you?
Aug 08 07:34:32 <schasch> mrmoku: pong
Aug 08 07:34:48 <fruct> hello all? please help  me make my mCD card bootable for another OS?
Aug 08 07:35:27 <mrmoku> schasch, there is something new to try :D
Aug 08 07:35:56 <mrmoku> schasch, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta01/shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090807-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 08 07:36:08 <schasch> mrmoku: very GOOOD...i will try.... thanks...
Aug 08 07:36:10 <mrmoku> http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta01/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta01.bin
Aug 08 07:36:33 <mrmoku> TAsn, I won't take you bb as is ;)
Aug 08 07:37:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, even better :)
Aug 08 07:37:19 <mrmoku> TAsn, as its hardcoding the rev in it :)
Aug 08 07:37:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know
Aug 08 07:37:31 <TAsn> that's why I asked you to do autorev ;)
Aug 08 07:37:51 <TAsn> but I did change the postinst and postrm
Aug 08 07:37:53 <TAsn> functions
Aug 08 07:37:59 <TAsn> and that's what's important...
Aug 08 07:38:01 <mrmoku> yep... took that part
Aug 08 07:38:19 <mrmoku> trying if your stuff actually builds now :P
Aug 08 07:38:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, you gotta use a rev though
Aug 08 07:38:48 <TAsn> if not it'll just build a very old version ;\
Aug 08 07:38:57 <TAsn> (as it caches the svn rev)
Aug 08 07:42:41 <mrmoku> TAsn, and... does it boot?
Aug 08 07:42:52 <TAsn> the image?
Aug 08 07:42:55 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 08 07:42:56 <TAsn> sec,
Aug 08 07:43:06 <mrmoku> you took the right one? 
Aug 08 07:43:11 <mrmoku> it has a new name now :)
Aug 08 07:43:21 <TAsn> verifying I have nothing important on that sd
Aug 08 07:43:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm not dump, I took the one from 6/8
Aug 08 07:43:29 <TAsn> ...
Aug 08 07:43:33 <TAsn> dumb*
Aug 08 07:43:42 <mrmoku> :P
Aug 08 07:43:50 <TAsn> mrmoku, j/k, I took the 8/8 yesterday night.
Aug 08 07:43:53 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 07:44:40 <BluesLee> mrmoku: is it a personalized image for tasn? i want also one:-)
Aug 08 07:44:42 <mrmoku> TAsn, 8/8 does not exist
Aug 08 07:44:50 <mrmoku> because build started on 7
Aug 08 07:44:57 <mrmoku> and on 7 there are two images
Aug 08 07:45:02 <mrmoku> because of the name change
Aug 08 07:45:05 <mrmoku> BluesLee, get it then
Aug 08 07:45:05 <TAsn> shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090807-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
Aug 08 07:45:07 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 07:45:09 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 07:45:18 <mrmoku> BluesLee, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/
Aug 08 07:45:26 <mrmoku> + shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090807-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
Aug 08 07:45:29 <TAsn> don't worry :)
Aug 08 07:46:46 <BluesLee> do you want to verify that its usable or ?
Aug 08 07:47:16 <mrmoku> BluesLee, well yeah, before I sync it to the feed... I would like to have someone saying 'Yep, works for me' :)
Aug 08 07:47:35 <BluesLee> very good idea!!!
Aug 08 07:47:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, ok, shutting down my phone
Aug 08 07:47:51 <TAsn> inserting new sd
Aug 08 07:48:27 <BluesLee> will test it in some minutes, have to check gps functionalty with an older image before
Aug 08 07:49:14 <TAsn> nice, the white SHR splash is nice :)
Aug 08 07:49:17 <TAsn> managed to forget about it
Aug 08 07:49:22 <TAsn> since I use dont-panic
Aug 08 07:49:23 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 07:49:38 <TAsn> btw as for the logo contest
Aug 08 07:49:46 <TAsn> I really think the logo should also be KISS
Aug 08 07:49:47 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 07:49:57 <mrmoku> yup
Aug 08 07:49:59 <TAsn> no need for fancy painting
Aug 08 07:50:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, sweet! you switched to ffalarms? :)
Aug 08 07:51:30 <TAsn> wow, the lite image looks empty! :)
Aug 08 07:52:09 <TAsn> what do I need to backup before a reflash?
Aug 08 07:52:12 <TAsn> home and?
Aug 08 07:52:22 <TAsn> (I don't care about opimd stuff)
Aug 08 07:52:41 <mrmoku> backup? what is backup? :P
Aug 08 07:52:48 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 07:52:53 <TAsn> I know I'm breaking the SHR mantra here
Aug 08 07:52:57 <TAsn> but still... :)
Aug 08 07:53:26 <TAsn> oh and of course the keypair!
Aug 08 07:54:58 <TAsn> $ pgrep ophonekitd
Aug 08 07:55:00 <TAsn> returns nothing :(
Aug 08 07:55:16 <TAsn> (first boot... will probably be better on the second... sec...)
Aug 08 07:56:25 <mrmoku> TAsn, worked on first boot for me
Aug 08 07:57:34 <TAsn> sec, upping log.
Aug 08 07:58:00 <TAsn> DEBUG: Error requesting name! Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
Aug 08 07:58:03 <TAsn> that's the main issue
Aug 08 07:58:36 <TAsn> rebooting, hoping everything will be fine.
Aug 08 08:00:36 <mrmoku> TAsn, uhh
Aug 08 08:00:41 * mrmoku stupid
Aug 08 08:00:44 <TAsn> and ffs, we should fucking wrap ophonekitd's startup script
Aug 08 08:00:49 <TAsn> with a while!
Aug 08 08:00:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, ?
Aug 08 08:00:51 <mrmoku> forgot to bump PR for initscripts-shr me thinks
Aug 08 08:01:05 <mrmoku> TAsn, fix it by running opkg-cl configure and reboot :P
Aug 08 08:01:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, you suck :)
Aug 08 08:01:19 <mrmoku> yup :(
Aug 08 08:02:50 <TAsn> btw, no icons in vala-terminal
Aug 08 08:04:09 <TAsn> and what happened to opkg -> opkg-cl symlink?
Aug 08 08:04:26 <TAsn> that's also fixed by opkg configure?
Aug 08 08:05:04 <TAsn> btw dbus is running
Aug 08 08:05:07 <TAsn> just doesn't create that filep.
Aug 08 08:05:58 <TAsn> opkg gives the same error (that no such file or dir)
Aug 08 08:07:23 <TAsn> mrmoku, alive?
Aug 08 08:07:52 <mrmoku> yup... alive and ashamed
Aug 08 08:08:02 <mrmoku> TAsn, nah, that is opkg-cl nowadays
Aug 08 08:08:26 <mrmoku> TAsn, icons in vala-terminal depend on configure to
Aug 08 08:08:27 <mrmoku> +o
Aug 08 08:08:41 <mrmoku> and the dbus you see running is the session dbus
Aug 08 08:08:41 <TAsn> okie. ;)
Aug 08 08:08:44 <mrmoku> not the system dbus
Aug 08 08:08:47 <TAsn> ok
Aug 08 08:08:56 <mrmoku> the system dbus does not start, because there is no messagebus user without configure :P
Aug 08 08:09:15 <TAsn> $ pgrep ophonekitd
Aug 08 08:09:15 <TAsn> 1460
Aug 08 08:09:16 <TAsn> ^
Aug 08 08:09:18 <TAsn> good start! :)
Aug 08 08:09:35 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku please fix those two issues, and sec I'm testing the rest
Aug 08 08:09:41 <TAsn> though now after a reboot it looks solid.
Aug 08 08:10:07 <TAsn> btw we should consider changing the default animations for stuff in e
Aug 08 08:10:45 <mrmoku> the opkg symlink is not fixed by configure I think
Aug 08 08:10:54 <mrmoku> not sure though... and no idea what happened to it
Aug 08 08:10:59 <TAsn> i c.
Aug 08 08:11:24 <mrmoku> TAsn, have to go and bring some visitor to the station real soon now
Aug 08 08:11:28 <mrmoku> will build a new image afterwards
Aug 08 08:11:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, sounds reasonable enough.
Aug 08 08:13:35 <TAsn> ** (process:1460): DEBUG: Request GSM resource
Aug 08 08:13:43 <TAsn> snip...
Aug 08 08:13:53 <TAsn> ** (process:1460): DEBUG: request_resource_callback()
Aug 08 08:13:53 <TAsn> ** (process:1460): DEBUG: dbus not available, try again in 5s
Aug 08 08:13:54 <TAsn> weird.
Aug 08 08:15:20 <schasch> mrmoku: booting with X     ...OK .......  http://pastebin.org/7392
Aug 08 08:16:10 <schasch> mrmoku: at calling  Festnetz-nummer    it crashes....but that is no Problem for me  :-) ...
Aug 08 08:17:38 <TAsn> schasch, the pastebin error is the same as I get...
Aug 08 08:17:47 <TAsn> read back what he suggested to me.
Aug 08 08:19:30 <schasch> TAsn: ok...
Aug 08 08:22:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, dbus not available again :(
Aug 08 08:23:15 <TAsn> this image doesn't work here :(
Aug 08 08:24:59 <mrmoku> TAsn, hmm... have to leave now
Aug 08 08:25:06 <TAsn> mrmoku, ok
Aug 08 08:25:07 <mrmoku> will be back in an hour or so
Aug 08 08:25:10 <TAsn> see you when you come back...
Aug 08 08:25:11 <TAsn> okie.
Aug 08 08:25:14 <TAsn> beep me.
Aug 08 08:25:19 <mrmoku> yup
Aug 08 08:28:05 <TAsn> mrmoku|away, btw, shouldn't mokonnect be in the default image?
Aug 08 08:28:11 <TAsn> as it's wifi connectivity
Aug 08 08:28:12 <TAsn> ...
Aug 08 10:25:53 <vegyraupe> hi mickeyl 
Aug 08 10:35:54 <TAsn> mrmoku, got any idea why does it happen?
Aug 08 10:36:26 <mrmoku> TAsn, not yet... will build a new image now with bumped PR for our initscripts
Aug 08 10:36:36 <TAsn> cool.
Aug 08 10:36:39 <TAsn> let me know.
Aug 08 10:36:51 <mrmoku> yup
Aug 08 10:37:35 <dos1> mrmoku, TAsn: what happened?
Aug 08 10:37:43 <TAsn> dos1, mrmoku doomed us all.
Aug 08 10:37:54 <dos1> as i supposed
Aug 08 10:37:56 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 10:38:07 <TAsn> nothing more than that :)
Aug 08 10:38:25 * mrmoku thinks TAsn just did something wrong ;)
Aug 08 10:38:25 <TAsn> he tried breaking my phone
Aug 08 10:38:25 <TAsn> though I was smart enough to test it on a spare sd
Aug 08 10:38:25 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 10:38:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, probably
Aug 08 10:38:50 <dos1> TAsn: so what's the problem?
Aug 08 10:39:04 <TAsn> I just inflated the rootfs to the ext3 partition on the sd...
Aug 08 10:39:45 <TAsn> but I'm adding/added a new component to trac
Aug 08 10:39:49 <TAsn> it's called "other"
Aug 08 10:40:04 <mrmoku> TAsn, I will install the old image now... to see what's going on
Aug 08 10:40:04 <TAsn> and it's fux stuff that do not match the list of components we already have :)
Aug 08 10:40:21 <TAsn> for stuff*
Aug 08 10:41:00 <TAsn> I think I'll move to 56k, it'll probably be faster than my sucky dsl :(
Aug 08 10:41:01 <dos1> TAsn: "and it's for stuff..." - great you explained! i was always wondering, what "other" mean!!
Aug 08 10:41:02 <dos1> :DD
Aug 08 10:42:05 <dos1> ok, i think i should eat something
Aug 08 10:42:22 <TAsn> dos1, :)
Aug 08 10:42:37 <TAsn> btw what do you guys think about literki
Aug 08 10:42:53 <TAsn> ?
Aug 08 10:42:53 <TAsn> looks interesting.
Aug 08 10:42:53 <TAsn> I think we should suggest the author to patch the illume keyboard.
Aug 08 10:43:14 <dos1> TAsn: nice, but... i still prefer illume keyboard
Aug 08 10:43:30 <TAsn> dos1, same here
Aug 08 10:43:38 <TAsn> that's why I think we should:
Aug 08 10:43:38 <dos1> TAsn: but touchpad concept is really nice ;)
Aug 08 10:43:44 <TAsn> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/580
Aug 08 10:44:35 <dos1> TAsn: but only as option :P
Aug 08 10:45:05 <TAsn> dos1, you know I like config options... (watch pyphonelog, you can basically change everything)
Aug 08 10:45:15 <mrmoku> ok booting now
Aug 08 10:46:48 <BluesLee> i bought me usb loudspeakers but they make noise in "standby", for instance when i reload a webpage?!
Aug 08 10:47:54 <TAsn> mrmoku, built it locally or on the host?
Aug 08 10:48:06 <mickeyl> hi vegyraupe 
Aug 08 10:48:09 <mickeyl> how are things @ qi?
Aug 08 10:48:41 <mrmoku> TAsn, what?
Aug 08 10:48:49 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: not bad at all
Aug 08 10:48:56 <mrmoku> building a new image on the buildhost and installed yesterdays image from the buildhost
Aug 08 10:48:57 <vegyraupe> moving forward in a straight line :)
Aug 08 10:49:03 <mickeyl> excellent, glad to hear
Aug 08 10:49:07 <mickeyl> where are you working from?
Aug 08 10:49:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, oh, ok.
Aug 08 10:49:18 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: berlin currently
Aug 08 10:49:37 <vegyraupe> how is the world of fso?
Aug 08 10:50:19 <mrmoku> TAsn, rebooting after opkg-cl configure now
Aug 08 10:50:37 <TAsn> okie.
Aug 08 10:51:14 <mickeyl> moving slowly into fso2 and trying to get it working on other hardware
Aug 08 10:51:31 <mickeyl> yesterday alphaone called me with a dev-g1 running fso :)
Aug 08 10:51:59 <BluesLee> mickeyl: other hw means?
Aug 08 10:52:21 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: hui nice
Aug 08 10:52:28 <TAsn> mickeyl, sweet!
Aug 08 10:52:38 <TAsn> (g1)
Aug 08 10:52:39 <mickeyl> BluesLee: hmm, how can i explain that... things != openmoko devices
Aug 08 10:53:16 <BluesLee> mickeyl: hehe, i guess you have some special in mind
Aug 08 10:53:25 <mickeyl> not really, what works
Aug 08 10:53:33 <BluesLee> okay
Aug 08 10:53:36 <mickeyl> interesting hardware
Aug 08 10:53:42 <mickeyl> i wanted the htc touch pro, but that's a failure
Aug 08 10:53:51 <mickeyl> dev-g1 looks better
Aug 08 10:53:55 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: I read in some thread you were planning to reimplement Zhone in Vala ...
Aug 08 10:54:02 <mickeyl> keeping eyes open for the palm pre
Aug 08 10:54:41 <BluesLee> mickeyl: a rooted g1 is not enough?
Aug 08 10:55:13 <mickeyl> vegyraupe: yes, and no. No existing "dialer" comes close to my idea of a nice phone UI, so i really try to find time to implement something on my own. and when this will happen, it's probably going to be Vala or C++
Aug 08 10:55:23 <mickeyl> BluesLee: no idea
Aug 08 10:55:38 <mickeyl> but all that's too cumbersome
Aug 08 10:55:48 <mickeyl> if it's not easy, folks will not try alternatives
Aug 08 10:55:56 <tmzt> mickeyl: what about webkit based? like Pre is, would that be too slow on freerunner?
Aug 08 10:55:57 <mickeyl> you have to run through hoops to root a g1
Aug 08 10:55:59 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: but are you going away from the "all-in-one-wonder" app design?
Aug 08 10:57:02 <mickeyl> vegyraupe: no idea at this point. didn't think about that technically yet. it probably depends on the speed of other hardware
Aug 08 10:57:13 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: hm ok
Aug 08 10:57:15 <mickeyl> tmzt: too slow on the freerunner and i don't like html based UIs
Aug 08 10:57:46 <mickeyl> webos looks kinda cute, but i have to see code until i can make my mind on whether i like it or not
Aug 08 10:58:01 <tmzt> what about javascript bindings for efl? not much of a gain over python though and I guess you are going for speed/stablity, not ease of customization
Aug 08 10:58:02 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: just wanted to note that I wouldbe somewhat disturbed if you'd go back to that :)
Aug 08 10:58:09 <mickeyl> heh
Aug 08 10:58:11 <mickeyl> well
Aug 08 10:58:14 <vegyraupe> mickeyl: but of course it is your call ;)
Aug 08 10:58:21 <mickeyl> there's some nice things which you can only do if you have it running in one process
Aug 08 10:58:25 <TAsn> mickeyl, if you are talking about ui implementation
Aug 08 10:58:26 <mickeyl> that doesn't mean you can't use plugins
Aug 08 10:58:33 <TAsn> we'll be more than glad to see your suggestions
Aug 08 10:58:44 <TAsn> we are planning to hear "user suggestions" for the new shr phone ui
Aug 08 10:58:47 <TAsn> before you start it
Aug 08 10:59:05 <TAsn> you are not the "day to day user" but still, we'll be glad to hear what you have to say :)
Aug 08 10:59:14 <BluesLee> mickeyl: i tried the emulator yesterday, too much net based, you cant see a simple calendar without being online
Aug 08 10:59:33 <TAsn> mickeyl, I'll make sure to notify you when we start gathering suggestions.
Aug 08 10:59:40 <TAsn> dos1|away, what about my screenies?! :)
Aug 08 10:59:55 <mickeyl> TAsn: *nod* sounds good. believe or not, when it comes to UI, i'm more of an end user than anything else. i love simple and consistent UIs, that's why i love the iPhone OS...
Aug 08 11:00:06 <mickeyl> intuition is the key word here
Aug 08 11:00:11 <TAsn> mickeyl, exactly
Aug 08 11:00:11 <mickeyl> BluesLee: that kind of sucks
Aug 08 11:00:17 <TAsn> that's why I'm trying to ask users
Aug 08 11:00:22 <TAsn> because collective intution
Aug 08 11:00:29 <TAsn> intuition is probably better than mine :)
Aug 08 11:00:42 <BluesLee> TAsn: which screenies? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9f892485cd4826f6ca66cef989c0c61c.png
Aug 08 11:00:54 <TAsn> BluesLee, no.
Aug 08 11:01:03 <TAsn> that's opimd-utils screenies
Aug 08 11:01:06 <mrmoku> mickeyl, hmm, what could be the reason for fsousaged giving an empty list for ListResources?
Aug 08 11:01:13 <TAsn> I want him to "paint" his perfect idea of a UI.
Aug 08 11:01:20 <TAsn> mrmoku, here it gives a decent list
Aug 08 11:01:27 <mrmoku> TAsn, yeah?
Aug 08 11:01:29 <TAsn> though dies after what I showed you.
Aug 08 11:01:32 <TAsn> mrmoku, at first
Aug 08 11:01:42 <mrmoku> TAsn, repaste the pastebin please
Aug 08 11:01:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, damn you!
Aug 08 11:01:50 <TAsn> sec. :)
Aug 08 11:01:54 <mickeyl> mrmoku: it may have been crashed and only restarted (on demand) through your call
Aug 08 11:02:02 <mickeyl> then it knows nothing about already existing resources
Aug 08 11:02:11 <mrmoku> mickeyl, hmm, ok
Aug 08 11:02:35 <mickeyl> i'm thinking of a way to improve restartability
Aug 08 11:02:46 <mickeyl> either you introspect everything to find possible resources
Aug 08 11:03:01 <mickeyl> or every resource listens for osuaged going away, trying to reregister when it comes back
Aug 08 11:03:08 <TAsn> sec
Aug 08 11:03:11 <TAsn> (damn you)
Aug 08 11:03:13 <mickeyl> one of these two parts should be it
Aug 08 11:03:15 <mickeyl> ah well
Aug 08 11:03:18 <mickeyl> 3rd option
Aug 08 11:03:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, I think I lost it and i'll have to boot into tho broken image again.
Aug 08 11:03:35 <mickeyl> fsousaged keeps track of registered resources and writes them toa file e.g.
Aug 08 11:03:42 <mickeyl> (during SIGSEGV handler)
Aug 08 11:03:52 <mickeyl> then on startup, it could ask exactly these resources again
Aug 08 11:03:54 <mickeyl> hmm
Aug 08 11:03:55 <mickeyl> i like that
Aug 08 11:03:56 <TAsn> damn.
Aug 08 11:04:00 <TAsn> booting the broken image.
Aug 08 11:04:01 * mickeyl opens an issue
Aug 08 11:04:15 <tmzt> so what is wrong with phonegui2? it it the lack of screens manager or something like that?
Aug 08 11:04:38 <TAsn> mickeyl, btw, any new info about my (was it #450?) bug?
Aug 08 11:04:53 <TAsn> tmzt, to tell you the truth
Aug 08 11:04:53 <TAsn> phonegui is rotten to the core :)
Aug 08 11:05:01 <TAsn> first of all the general wrapper is plain bad
Aug 08 11:05:22 <mickeyl> TAsn: i did not have any time to reproduce it. if this image i just built runs, i'll have some time to reproduce it
Aug 08 11:05:33 <TAsn> mickeyl, cool :)
Aug 08 11:05:38 <TAsn> thanks.
Aug 08 11:05:49 <TAsn> tmzt, second of all, a lot of the internal design is bad
Aug 08 11:05:58 <TAsn> as it make code duplication
Aug 08 11:06:00 <TAsn> makes
Aug 08 11:06:07 <TAsn> and leaks like a ho :)
Aug 08 11:06:36 <TAsn> I'm planning to rewrite the basic infrastructure and after dos1|away, mickeyl and the users will send their suggestions 
Aug 08 11:06:48 <TAsn> to also rewrite the GUI in the proper way.
Aug 08 11:06:54 <TAsn> and then we'll write a GUI daemon
Aug 08 11:06:58 <TAsn> that uses that lib
Aug 08 11:07:04 <TAsn> and offers dbus methods
Aug 08 11:07:13 <TAsn> to use the GUI
Aug 08 11:07:20 <mickeyl> ok, added http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/463
Aug 08 11:07:41 <TAsn> We want to do to phone-ui what fso did to the underlying framework
Aug 08 11:07:54 <TAsn> make it easier to users to work with the phone's features
Aug 08 11:08:04 <TAsn> with solid, consistent and easy to use API.
Aug 08 11:08:10 <TAsn> (in this case dbus API)
Aug 08 11:08:44 <TAsn> this way you'll easily be able to add an address to contacts from a menu in TangoGPS :)
Aug 08 11:08:47 <TAsn> (or something like that)
Aug 08 11:08:56 <mrmoku> yep, fsousaged dies somehow
Aug 08 11:09:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, unbump rev? :)
Aug 08 11:09:11 * mrmoku turns on DEBUG log
Aug 08 11:09:39 <TAsn> hopefully that'll complement FSO on the GUI side, and will make a consistent phone stack to be used by other distros/SHR.
Aug 08 11:09:53 <TAsn> This will of course be ui-tk agnostic
Aug 08 11:10:13 <TAsn> you'll actually be able to write an ncruses frontend :)
Aug 08 11:10:26 <TAsn> that'll work just as fine with the underlying daemon.
Aug 08 11:10:32 <tmzt> any design docs now?
Aug 08 11:10:36 <TAsn> I'm really looking forward for this :)
Aug 08 11:10:41 <TAsn> tmzt, no, I sent a mail on core
Aug 08 11:10:42 <tmzt> like how many levels?
Aug 08 11:10:47 <mrmoku> dos1|away, 2009.08.08 10:51:15.400 frameworkd.subsystem ERROR    could not import pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: cannot import name BackendMan
Aug 08 11:10:52 <TAsn> tmzt, levels of abstraction?
Aug 08 11:11:00 <tmzt> yes
Aug 08 11:11:02 <TAsn> it'll be similar to the current phonegui design
Aug 08 11:11:03 * mrmoku searches the rose
Aug 08 11:11:13 <tmzt> what list?
Aug 08 11:11:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, luckily I didn't sell my plane ticket.
Aug 08 11:11:34 <TAsn> tmzt, list?
Aug 08 11:11:40 <mrmoku> mickeyl, where does fsousaged log to?
Aug 08 11:11:45 <tmzt> mailing list
Aug 08 11:11:53 <TAsn> tmzt, shr-coreteam
Aug 08 11:11:58 <tmzt> oh
Aug 08 11:11:58 <TAsn> it's our internal list
Aug 08 11:12:13 <TAsn> to discuss the API
Aug 08 11:12:23 <TAsn> as for internal design, I have it in mind, though not written
Aug 08 11:12:30 <TAsn> though it'll be something similar to phonegui
Aug 08 11:12:39 <TAsn> which is phonegui that loads frontend libs
Aug 08 11:12:52 <TAsn> and the daemon that loads phonegui and uses the API
Aug 08 11:12:55 <TAsn> frontend agnostic.
Aug 08 11:13:09 <TAsn> you'll have phonegui_init
Aug 08 11:13:13 <TAsn> phonegui_loop
Aug 08 11:13:27 <TAsn> and everything that the frontend will have to implement.
Aug 08 11:13:35 <TAsn> will be cool, don't worry. ;)
Aug 08 11:13:57 <TAsn> tmzt, I'll start a wiki page once I'll send a mail to shr-devel
Aug 08 11:14:12 <tmzt> like a mainloop? that sounds interesting
Aug 08 11:14:23 <TAsn> tmzt, yeah, exactly that.
Aug 08 11:14:41 <TAsn> there's only one issue though
Aug 08 11:14:52 <TAsn> and that's dbus signals
Aug 08 11:15:00 <TAsn> actually nvm.
Aug 08 11:15:05 <TAsn> there should be no signals
Aug 08 11:15:13 <TAsn> but dbus listening to methods
Aug 08 11:15:29 <TAsn> I have no idea how to make it loop agnostic.
Aug 08 11:16:15 <TAsn> got what I mean?
Aug 08 11:16:42 <tmzt> maybe, I though the gdbus or similar handled async stuff
Aug 08 11:16:52 <tmzt> or what did you mean by agnostic?
Aug 08 11:17:15 <TAsn> I mean we'll be able to use qt/ncruses/gtk/efl/something weird
Aug 08 11:17:22 <TAsn> easily
Aug 08 11:17:45 <TAsn> without the user of the API needing to think about any of those.
Aug 08 11:18:08 <TAsn> my only problem is that the front-end will have to have a loop
Aug 08 11:18:12 <TAsn> that support dbus calls.
Aug 08 11:18:19 <TAsn> (dbus methods offers)
Aug 08 11:18:47 <TAsn> if it'll be used by the main GUI daemon.
Aug 08 11:19:52 <TAsn> I hope you get what I mean :)
Aug 08 11:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: s/loop/central wait()/
Aug 08 11:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: though it's also a loop of course
Aug 08 11:20:59 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, the name doesn't matter.
Aug 08 11:21:02 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 11:21:22 <dos1> mrmoku: as i already said - you can ignore that, it won't hurt, and it's already fixed in dos/opimd-tracking branch
Aug 08 11:21:46 <TAsn> dos1, but this apparently crashing fsousage!
Aug 08 11:21:54 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, but yeah, though how do you solve the issue of the loop having to support dbus?
Aug 08 11:22:18 <TAsn> s/but yeah, //
Aug 08 11:22:19 <bzzbot> TAsn meant: DocScrutinizer, though how do you solve the issue of the loop having to support dbus?
Aug 08 11:22:39 <fruct> hello all! Please tell me how to unpack tgz archive?
Aug 08 11:22:45 <DocScrutinizer> it's a problem if your app can't manage to have all events signalling to a central wait
Aug 08 11:23:10 <fruct> on SHR
Aug 08 11:23:41 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I want to have phonegui_loop so it'll wrap around the gtk/qt/efl/whatever loop
Aug 08 11:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> usually having multiple wait-loop threads is the only way to handle that
Aug 08 11:23:49 <TAsn> though I can't assure this loop will support dbus.
Aug 08 11:23:55 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, that's what I think.
Aug 08 11:24:01 <TAsn> though this sounds like a bitch.
Aug 08 11:24:06 <TAsn> well whatever... :|
Aug 08 11:24:29 <TAsn> seems like this is they way to go. ;|
Aug 08 11:24:57 <TAsn> bah, keyboard bindings on the hebrew layout is confusing!
Aug 08 11:25:00 <TAsn> as I use
Aug 08 11:25:04 <TAsn> dvorak/hebrew
Aug 08 11:25:09 <TAsn> while in hebrew mode
Aug 08 11:25:09 <DocScrutinizer> then you have two waiting-threads signalling other threads (e.g. GUI) via any means like messages or mutex or semaphore
Aug 08 11:25:17 <tmzt> I think there's a version of the gtk loop at least that can be called from another loop
Aug 08 11:25:49 <tmzt> like a single iteration
Aug 08 11:25:55 <TAsn> some of the apps get the key binding as the matching dvorak key, and some as the matching qwery key... ;\ bah!
Aug 08 11:26:06 <TAsn> tmzt, but that's gtk only.
Aug 08 11:26:34 <DocScrutinizer> and yes it's a bitch, you'll go into hell of syncing those multiple wait-loops somehow, as you might e.g. see contradicting signals on dbus-loop and on x-events-loop
Aug 08 11:26:36 <tmzt> ncurses is likely to be a custom loop, right?
Aug 08 11:26:38 <mrmoku> mickeyl, which fso-compliance task shall I use for SHR?
Aug 08 11:27:21 <mrmoku> mickeyl, or should I add the necessary stuff to task-shr-minimal-fso?
Aug 08 11:28:16 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I know, though at least I know "dbus wins", i.e dbus is smarter than the user ;)
Aug 08 11:28:34 <TAsn> though still... :|
Aug 08 11:29:05 <dos1> TAsn: it can't crash fsousaged, as a) opimd has nothing to do with resources; b) i have this opimd version on my neo and fsousaged is working
Aug 08 11:29:08 <tmzt> I guess my question is what libraries won't be compatible with dbus?
Aug 08 11:29:17 <tmzt> that somebody is liekly to use
Aug 08 11:29:29 <TAsn> tmzt, you might be right.
Aug 08 11:29:38 <TAsn> as qt/gtk/efl are all compatible.
Aug 08 11:29:51 <TAsn> well I guess treating this as an assumption is the way to go.
Aug 08 11:30:19 <tmzt> no point having a dbus based ui build on a ui library that can't synchronize dbus
Aug 08 11:31:54 <dos1> mrmoku, TAsn: so no roses yet, sorry :P
Aug 08 11:31:59 <fruct> how to unpack tgz archive on SHR? 
Aug 08 11:32:11 <TAsn> tmzt, aye, it's just reinventing the wheel.
Aug 08 11:32:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, is dos1 correct?\
Aug 08 11:33:16 <Heinervdm> fruct: first gunzip then tar xf
Aug 08 11:33:37 <dos1> Heinervdm: did you saw my latest commits?
Aug 08 11:33:45 <TAsn> Heinervdm, or just
Aug 08 11:33:46 <Heinervdm> dos1: no
Aug 08 11:33:56 <mrmoku> TAsn, yep, put your tickets back in the desk
Aug 08 11:33:56 <TAsn> tar -C ./ -xzvf /path/to/shr.tar.gz
Aug 08 11:34:13 <TAsn> and make sure you are in the
Aug 08 11:34:14 <Heinervdm> TAsn: have you tried? ;)
Aug 08 11:34:24 <TAsn> correct path
Aug 08 11:34:31 <TAsn> Heinervdm, on box, not on lame busybox ;)
Aug 08 11:34:36 <TAsn> if that's what you are implying ;)
Aug 08 11:35:02 <Heinervdm> TAsn: busybox doesn't know z
Aug 08 11:35:06 <TAsn> ./ <-- make sure you are in /media/sd-card or however it's called there.
Aug 08 11:35:08 <TAsn> Heinervdm, I know.
Aug 08 11:35:13 <TAsn> that's why I said
Aug 08 11:35:16 <TAsn> <TAsn> Heinervdm, on box, not on lame busybox ;)
Aug 08 11:35:23 <Heinervdm> yes :)
Aug 08 11:35:38 <Heinervdm> but i think fruct has busybox installed
Aug 08 11:35:53 <TAsn> Heinervdm, I'm sorry to hear that ;)
Aug 08 11:35:54 <fruct> TAsn: tar: invalid option -- z
Aug 08 11:35:58 <TAsn> shit.
Aug 08 11:36:03 <TAsn> fruct, listen to Heinervdm 
Aug 08 11:36:04 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 11:36:44 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r90afcfb9a09a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Contacts-FSO: update function names
Aug 08 11:38:46 <fruct> on my neo installed the SHR
Aug 08 11:39:41 <fruct> I downloaded http://nanl.de/files/openwrt/openmoko/LATEST_openwrt-s3c24xx-rootfs.tgz
Aug 08 11:39:57 <fruct> and can't unpack it =(
Aug 08 11:40:49 <Heinervdm> fruct: gunzip LATEST_openwrt-s3c24xx-rootfs.tgz; tar xf LATEST_openwrt-s3c24xx-rootfs.tar
Aug 08 11:41:04 <max_posedon> install coreutils to have more "classic" env
Aug 08 11:43:33 <fruct> max_posedon: for it I must uninstall any software?
Aug 08 11:43:53 <max_posedon> no, you shouldn't
Aug 08 11:45:02 <max_posedon> just install, opkg will update all itself correctly
Aug 08 11:45:15 <jaj> hi
Aug 08 11:47:30 <jaj> in the configuration dialogs under illume, for examples in shr-settings or in mokonnect, whenever you set a textfield to blank you cannot select it anymore afterwards to write something to it
Aug 08 11:47:37 <jaj> don't know if this is a know issue
Aug 08 11:54:05 <fruct> Heinervdm: the command "gunzip myfile.tgz; tar xf myfile.tar" worked as "gunzip myfile.tgz | tar xf myfile.tar" ?
Aug 08 11:54:40 <max_posedon> fruct, not
Aug 08 11:54:46 <Heinervdm> fruct: do gunzip first, look what you get
Aug 08 11:54:53 <Heinervdm> and then tar xf this file
Aug 08 11:55:08 <max_posedon> gunzip by default output too fs
Aug 08 11:55:43 <max_posedon> check man for find out how to output to stdout
Aug 08 11:56:02 <fruct> I tryed gunzip ago - it wrote many symbols on console %)
Aug 08 11:56:32 <TAsn> mrmoku, found the issue?
Aug 08 11:57:04 <tmzt> gunzip -dc
Aug 08 11:58:03 <fruct> oh! with -c parameter :-[
Aug 08 11:58:28 <fruct> as told here http://www.simplescalar.com/unpacking.html
Aug 08 11:58:48 <tmzt> well, gunzip implies -d
Aug 08 11:58:52 <tmzt> so just gunzip -c
Aug 08 11:58:55 <tmzt> or gzip -dc
Aug 08 11:59:59 <fruct> all being more simple - thanks! =)
Aug 08 12:05:00 <mrmoku> TAsn, maybe... rebuilding
Aug 08 12:05:46 <bumbl> mrmoku: how is the image building process going? still failing on the weirdest issues?
Aug 08 12:07:40 <mrmoku> bumbl, no those issues are sorted out
Aug 08 12:08:09 <mrmoku> bumbl, i'm quite sure that today we will have a new good unstable image
Aug 08 12:12:08 <jaj> pax -rzf myfile.tgz should do it ;)
Aug 08 12:14:30 <bumbl> mrmoku: nice
Aug 08 12:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: hooray for new image
Aug 08 12:22:43 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, nah, not yet
Aug 08 12:22:55 <mrmoku> lets see if it works first ;)
Aug 08 12:24:34 <DocScrutinizer> wtf, 31.7°C outside. Seems /me will fail to work in a moment
Aug 08 12:25:13 <DocScrutinizer> err 32.q and rising o.O
Aug 08 12:32:01 <alphaone> DocScrutinizer: Need to enter thermal throttling mode :-)
Aug 08 12:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> y. . . e . . .s . . .
Aug 08 12:40:37 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, uppgrade to water cooling? :)
Aug 08 13:01:40 <TAsn> dos1, please attempt to finish the UI sketches today
Aug 08 13:01:57 <TAsn> as I want to start users suggestions
Aug 08 13:02:04 <TAsn> and I want to first start with suggesting our own
Aug 08 13:04:22 <dos1> hmm
Aug 08 13:04:44 <dos1> TAsn: but i don't have scanner here... ;/
Aug 08 13:04:54 <TAsn> scanner?
Aug 08 13:05:00 <TAsn> use gimp
Aug 08 13:05:01 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 13:05:07 <dos1> TAsn: with touchpad? :P
Aug 08 13:05:18 <TAsn> huh?
Aug 08 13:05:22 <TAsn> it's just a UI rough sketch
Aug 08 13:05:23 <TAsn> ..
Aug 08 13:05:39 <dos1> TAsn: you want sketch or mockup? :P
Aug 08 13:05:45 <TAsn> either.
Aug 08 13:05:49 <TAsn> doesn't matter.
Aug 08 13:06:07 <TAsn> even with a mouse on a computer it's called a sketch.
Aug 08 13:06:11 <TAsn> (I think)
Aug 08 13:06:34 <dos1> TAsn: the thing is - i don't have mouse here :P
Aug 08 13:06:37 <dos1> TAsn: i'm on laptpo
Aug 08 13:06:38 <dos1> laptop*
Aug 08 13:07:55 <TAsn> dos1, no usb mouse?
Aug 08 13:08:00 <TAsn> :|
Aug 08 13:09:54 <dos1> TAsn: no. but don't worry, i'll draw it now and after that i'll go to my home (i see it though window, i'm now in my aunties home) and scan it then
Aug 08 13:10:25 <TAsn> dos1, sweet! )
Aug 08 13:10:30 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 13:10:30 <TAsn> thanks.
Aug 08 13:11:04 <dos1> TAsn: but firstly i'll add changing PIN to shr-settings. it should be easy :P
Aug 08 13:11:36 <TAsn> dos1, as long as i'll have it tonight, do whatever you wish ;] 
Aug 08 13:24:41 <rhkfin> Anyone know who to blame for crashes like this: http://pastebin.com/m18850984 (from paroli.log on OM2009 unstable) - is it FSO failing to reply?
Aug 08 13:28:19 <lindi-> rhkfin: dbus-daemon or frameworkd
Aug 08 13:28:31 <lindi-> rhkfin: does it happen you restart paroli?
Aug 08 13:28:42 <rhkfin> lindi-: ok.. framework log doesnt know anything about this..
Aug 08 13:28:45 <rhkfin> I'll try
Aug 08 13:28:46 <lindi-> rhkfin: (don't touch dbus-daemon or frameworkd or there is no hope to debug this)
Aug 08 13:29:32 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 08 13:31:40 <rhkfin> lindi-: It's trying to start but being slow as paroli it takes a while..
Aug 08 13:32:02 <rhkfin> this is the last message so far: sms.py 80 SMS      INFO     connecting to freesmartphone.GSM SMS dbus interface
Aug 08 13:33:21 <rhkfin> lindi-: "proxies.py 400 dbus.proxies ERROR    Introspect error on :1.17:/org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include:"
Aug 08 13:34:30 <lindi-> rhkfin:  http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348 
Aug 08 13:34:38 <lindi-> rhkfin: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19796
Aug 08 13:34:46 <rhkfin> uh..
Aug 08 13:35:48 <lindi-> rhkfin: my solution is to run a small watchdog process that restarts things if they stop responding
Aug 08 13:36:20 <rhkfin> ah, the famous 'lindi fix'
Aug 08 13:36:42 <rhkfin> lindi-: I suppose you wrote it for debian, will it work on om2009 too, any idea?
Aug 08 13:36:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, how's the new image going? :)
Aug 08 13:36:55 <lindi-> rhkfin: well, what can I do, some of these problems happen when calypso itself crashes, we can't really fix that
Aug 08 13:37:03 <lindi-> rhkfin: it's unfortunately not very easy to use
Aug 08 13:37:14 <lindi-> rhkfin: i'm open to suggestions on how to make it more portable
Aug 08 13:37:18 <rhkfin> lindi-: :/
Aug 08 13:37:29 <rhkfin> lindi-: flash om2009 and make it run :)
Aug 08 13:37:35 <TAsn> dos1, btw, how many days do you think we need to test the new stable-unstable for before calling it testing? (and letting you and I go crazy on the unstable image)
Aug 08 13:37:50 <lindi-> rhkfin: actually, there's only one part that is really non-portable
Aug 08 13:38:04 <lindi-> rhkfin: the one that knows how to restart ogsmd and gsm0710muxd and my answering-machine process
Aug 08 13:38:20 <lindi-> rhkfin: those could perhaps be somehow abstracted away
Aug 08 13:39:03 <rhkfin> I think someone actually suggested (khiraly, I think) implementing your watchdog to om2009.. 
Aug 08 13:40:22 <lindi-> rhkfin: yes
Aug 08 13:40:29 <lindi-> rhkfin: but I haven't heard of it
Aug 08 13:40:45 <rhkfin> lindi-: so baseed on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19796 is this problem of mine because of multithreading in Paroli and then dbus failing in it?
Aug 08 13:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: hi!
Aug 08 13:44:34 <mrmoku> TAsn, building
Aug 08 13:45:14 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: sorry to pester you with this, but can you please repeat what your findings on envedit were? what was the preferred tool to edit uboot-envs? and where to find it?
Aug 08 13:45:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, on buildhost or local? :)
Aug 08 13:46:17 <mrmoku> TAsn, buildhost
Aug 08 13:46:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, COOL! :)
Aug 08 13:46:38 <TAsn> let me know after you test it
Aug 08 13:46:44 <DocScrutinizer> yo, cool :-)
Aug 08 13:46:46 <TAsn> I'll test it here as well.
Aug 08 13:47:15 <DocScrutinizer> looking forwarf to all the new regressions ;-P
Aug 08 13:47:44 <thrashold> Passing elementary.ELM_WIN_KEYBOARD_ALPHA to elementary.Window should pop the normal keyboard, right? My windows don't appear at all when I set this on my desktop.
Aug 08 13:51:44 <dos1> thrashold: how are you passing it?
Aug 08 13:52:35 <thrashold> super(Dialog, self).__init__("dialog",  elementary.ELM_WIN_KEYBOARD_ALPHA) :)
Aug 08 13:53:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he was offensive to lindi in any way... (??)
Aug 08 13:53:34 <thrashold> Dialog is a subclass of elementary.Window (almost)
Aug 08 14:04:33 <mrmoku> TAsn, not good yet
Aug 08 14:05:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, what's now? fsousage again?
Aug 08 14:05:34 <DocScrutinizer> DARN
Aug 08 14:08:02 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: sorry for beeing busy :)
Aug 08 14:08:11 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: even email would have reached me faster
Aug 08 14:08:33 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: no problem :-)
Aug 08 14:08:47 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: anyways, I prefer fw_printenv and fw_setenv tools that are part of the debian package uboot-envtools
Aug 08 14:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: ^!!
Aug 08 14:09:25 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: if you look at debian/copyright file for that package you read "The upstream sources were downloaded from http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree;f=tools/env;hb=HEAD"
Aug 08 14:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: could we get those tools please?
Aug 08 14:10:34 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: many thanks! I assume you have no idea about status of port to SHR/OM
Aug 08 14:10:46 <lindi-> none
Aug 08 14:10:53 <DocScrutinizer> k :-)
Aug 08 14:16:41 <dos1> mickeyl: ping
Aug 08 14:17:04 <rhkfin> lindi-: got paroli up&running finally, after some restarts
Aug 08 14:20:09 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: or maybe you
Aug 08 14:20:30 <dos1> or alphaone: SIM PIN must have >=4 and <=8 digits, am i right?
Aug 08 14:20:55 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: afaik yes
Aug 08 14:22:00 <mrmoku> TAsn, yup... it is building a different version of libfsotransport on the buildhost...
Aug 08 14:22:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, can you fix that?
Aug 08 14:22:32 <TAsn> will you fix that?
Aug 08 14:22:37 <TAsn> when will you fix that? :)\
Aug 08 14:23:26 <mrmoku> TAsn, working on it
Aug 08 14:24:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, sweet, thanks ;)
Aug 08 14:24:08 <TAsn> let me know.
Aug 08 14:24:40 <alphaone> dos1: Interesting question
Aug 08 14:24:50 <alphaone> dos1: Does it even have to be digits?
Aug 08 14:25:07 <dos1> hmmm
Aug 08 14:25:19 <dos1> alphaone: i don't know, i'm asking ;)
Aug 08 14:25:54 <dos1> but every phone i had allowed only digits with len >= 4 and <=8
Aug 08 14:26:09 <dos1> alphaone: i'm implementing PIN changing in shr-settings
Aug 08 14:26:33 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone: actually not (digits) though almost whole world is implicitly assuming it
Aug 08 14:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> as many many phones don't have a means to enter non-numeric chars to pin-query-dialog, it's probably sensible to restrict it on fso/shr as well
Aug 08 14:28:13 <dos1> so allowing to use chars in PIN doesn't make sense, as even libframeworkd-phonegui-efl supports only digits in pin dialog :D
Aug 08 14:28:37 <DocScrutinizer> aah, and standard disclaimer: "all this AFAIK. No waranty whatsoever"
Aug 08 14:30:17 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: add a expert-debug-mode ;-)
Aug 08 14:30:24 <lindi-> rhkfin: not sure
Aug 08 14:30:42 <dos1> ;D
Aug 08 14:31:28 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: "you are trying to set PIN, which you can't use in other phones, and even in SHR. this should be warning dialog, but as you set expert-debug-mode that pin was already set" ;)
Aug 08 14:32:44 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: exactly :-P
Aug 08 14:38:58 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r141e97ff2d5f 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_simauth.py: [SimAuth] implement changing PIN
Aug 08 14:39:05 <rhkfin> Anyone here happen to know the gprs username/apn/pasword for hr vip network in croatia?
Aug 08 14:39:52 <dos1> rhkfin: that every phone user should know, not only openmoko users! :x
Aug 08 14:40:05 <dos1> s/phone user/phone user, who is using GPRS/
Aug 08 14:40:05 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: rhkfin: that every phone user, who is using GPRS should know, not only openmoko users! :x
Aug 08 14:40:36 <rhkfin> dos1: So I should stop anyone on the street and ask fo GPRs settings :)
Aug 08 14:41:00 <dos1> rhkfin: if he/she looks like he/she is using GPRS, then yes :D
Aug 08 14:42:21 <rhkfin> 'Sorry, you look like someone using GPRS..' :) I
Aug 08 14:42:32 <rhkfin> 'll try the operator web pages first :)
Aug 08 14:46:17 <rhkfin> So anyone capable of translating serbocroatian: http://www.vipnet.hr/cw/show?idc=8723484&idnews=202371 - does the 38591/38591/gprs0.vipnet.hr look good?
Aug 08 14:52:47 <rhkfin> indeed, i think I got GPRS. Nice.
Aug 08 14:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: Is there a correctly configured (http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=tools/env/fw_env.config;h=c8f12cf0afe7ad27eee549c2c55ce86f059c1888;hb=HEAD) fw_env for OM somewhere (i.e. debian)? Or did you notice this sw is existent, but nobody tested it on Neo devices yet?
Aug 08 14:58:27 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: the debian package has example configuration files for gta02 and gta01
Aug 08 14:58:43 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: great :-)
Aug 08 14:58:59 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: the files are lsppchg.config qnap_ts109-209.config openmoko_gta02.config linkstation_pro_live.config kurobox_pro.config lsmipsel.config qnap_ts101.config openmoko_gta01.config qnap_ts119-219.config
Aug 08 14:59:44 <mrmoku> TAsn, yo, go and test it :D
Aug 08 14:59:47 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: what do you think about getting this utility into SHR?
Aug 08 15:00:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, sweet! :)
Aug 08 15:00:20 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: HUH??? :-D (/me refreshes dl-site browserwin)
Aug 08 15:00:33 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, no idea... but we will put everything in our feed that builds :P
Aug 08 15:00:46 <TAsn> shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
Aug 08 15:00:48 <TAsn> right?
Aug 08 15:00:54 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 08 15:01:13 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: debian also wrote manual pages for the tools, you probably want those too
Aug 08 15:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: yep.
Aug 08 15:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: could you try to build this utility? then include...
Aug 08 15:02:28 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, yep, but not now
Aug 08 15:02:39 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: urgently needed to ease the pain of correctly setting up uBoot loglevel / whatever
Aug 08 15:03:08 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, then bug someone to come up with a bb :P
Aug 08 15:03:17 <mrmoku> would speed it a lot
Aug 08 15:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: SHR is a longterm enterprise. I'm fine with it hitting the feed eventually
Aug 08 15:03:31 <mrmoku> ok :)
Aug 08 15:04:52 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: as long as it's on your todo I'm happy. Just make sure you got all the info you need, as my memory sucks a lot. So if you go to ask me about it in 2 onths I probably can't recall anymore ;-P
Aug 08 15:05:55 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, please open a trac ticket
Aug 08 15:05:57 <TAsn> with info ;)
Aug 08 15:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I can't open SHR-tickets.
Aug 08 15:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> s/can't/am not allowed to/
Aug 08 15:07:39 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: TAsn: I am not allowed to open SHR-tickets.
Aug 08 15:07:45 <TAsn> sucks :)
Aug 08 15:07:48 <TAsn> so mail him or something :)
Aug 08 15:12:47 <TAsn> mrmoku, booting in a sec.. ;)
Aug 08 15:15:09 <TAsn> SHR is booting.
Aug 08 15:18:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool, no need for opkg-cl configure ;]
Aug 08 15:19:56 <TAsn> registered! :)
Aug 08 15:20:00 <TAsn> hm.. further testing commences.
Aug 08 15:21:46 <TAsn> calling works
Aug 08 15:21:57 <TAsn> seems like everything works :)
Aug 08 15:22:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, SYNC! :)
Aug 08 15:23:39 <mrmoku> waiting for gta01 to finish
Aug 08 15:23:52 <TAsn> finally!
Aug 08 15:23:56 <TAsn> an unstable image!
Aug 08 15:24:09 <TAsn> mrmoku, copy all the new stuff to testing please.
Aug 08 15:24:12 <TAsn> (libfsotransport)
Aug 08 15:24:13 <TAsn> and such.
Aug 08 15:24:35 <TAsn> one small issue though
Aug 08 15:24:43 <TAsn> led doesn't light when charging
Aug 08 15:24:57 <TAsn> nvm
Aug 08 15:25:01 <TAsn> it does :)
Aug 08 15:25:46 <TAsn> ok, flashing on main sd. :)
Aug 08 15:26:06 <rhkfin> btw I noticed that the led turns blue when finishing charging (om2009). Nice.
Aug 08 15:32:52 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r94624405def8 10/data/po/shr-settings.pot: [po] update pot file
Aug 08 15:33:03 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re73929970184 10/data/po/pl/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update polish translation
Aug 08 15:33:03 <CIA-53> SHR: 03pespin.shar 07shr-settings * r75ccdcebdb02 10/data/po/ca/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update catalan translation
Aug 08 15:33:29 <TAsn> dos1, you should be drawing! not translating! :)
Aug 08 15:33:35 <TAsn> mrmoku, flashed on main sd.
Aug 08 15:34:00 <DocScrutinizer> where's the image?
Aug 08 15:34:09 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, we need mrmoku to sync it.
Aug 08 15:34:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, sync! :)
Aug 08 15:34:12 <mrmoku> TAsn: gta01 finished... building index now and will sync then
Aug 08 15:34:18 <DocScrutinizer> k
Aug 08 15:34:19 <TAsn> I know. ;)
Aug 08 15:34:26 <TAsn> I mean, I know I bugged you for no reason
Aug 08 15:34:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, thanks
Aug 08 15:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: congrats, finally :-)
Aug 08 15:35:12 <mrmoku> hopefully this is one step closer to testing :)
Aug 08 15:35:21 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye ;)
Aug 08 15:35:27 <TAsn> I still have the blog post open
Aug 08 15:35:29 <TAsn> ready to be sent
Aug 08 15:35:33 <TAsn> (actually, that's a lie)
Aug 08 15:37:54 <TAsn> wow mrmoku 
Aug 08 15:37:56 <mrmoku> schasch: correct moment to pop in :)
Aug 08 15:37:59 <TAsn> registered to network quite fast.~!
Aug 08 15:38:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, !!!
Aug 08 15:38:33 <TAsn> landscape keyboard works!@
Aug 08 15:38:37 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 15:39:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, and please put and rebuild callrec (with the new postinst/postrm)
Aug 08 15:39:51 <mrmoku> TAsn: one step after the other ;)
Aug 08 15:40:02 <mrmoku> next is the fat image
Aug 08 15:40:07 <mrmoku> then the feed (including callrec)
Aug 08 15:40:12 <TAsn> cool.
Aug 08 15:40:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, synced the lite image already?
Aug 08 15:40:32 <mrmoku> still parsing bb files :(
Aug 08 15:40:49 <mrmoku> brb
Aug 08 15:40:53 <schasch> :-)
Aug 08 15:42:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03pespin.shar 07shr * rc3cb2a78053c 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/ca.po: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: update catalan translation
Aug 08 15:51:49 <mrmoku> schasch: this time you even should be able to use it as phone :P
Aug 08 15:52:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: its syncing nowe
Aug 08 15:52:30 <mrmoku> -e
Aug 08 15:53:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, supersweet :)
Aug 08 15:53:46 <TAsn> I'm now doing an opkg-cl install task-shr-tasn :)
Aug 08 15:53:58 <TAsn> (doesn't really exist, though it's actually a good idea)
Aug 08 15:54:32 <TAsn> btw, thanks again for the change to ffalarms ;)
Aug 08 15:55:00 <mrmoku> TAsn: well me too always preferred it... and I think the majority of users too
Aug 08 15:55:27 <TAsn> mrmoku, I think that's the correct way to go especially since elementary-alarm never really worked... ;)
Aug 08 15:55:41 <TAsn> btw
Aug 08 15:56:02 <TAsn> epdfview depends (and compiles with) cups, which sucks
Aug 08 15:56:06 <TAsn> there must be a compilation flag
Aug 08 15:56:09 <TAsn> and this must be fixed :)
Aug 08 15:56:36 <rhkfin> TAsn: and it needs a way to get off from full screen without keyboard..
Aug 08 15:56:56 <TAsn> rhkfin, probably...
Aug 08 15:57:01 <TAsn> and it also needs to be build from svn
Aug 08 15:57:04 <TAsn> and include an icon
Aug 08 15:57:07 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 15:58:03 <mrmoku> building the fat image now
Aug 08 15:58:08 <mrmoku> and off for dinner meanwhile
Aug 08 15:58:13 <mrmoku> bbl
Aug 08 15:58:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool, enjoy :)
Aug 08 15:58:21 <mrmoku> thanks
Aug 08 15:58:23 <mrmoku> will do :)
Aug 08 15:58:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, thanks again. ;)
Aug 08 15:58:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, wait
Aug 08 15:58:35 <TAsn> I'm sending a mail to shr-user
Aug 08 15:58:39 <TAsn> announcing the new image?
Aug 08 15:58:45 <TAsn> *should I?
Aug 08 15:58:48 <mrmoku> hmm
Aug 08 15:58:54 <TAsn> and of course request super bug reporting
Aug 08 15:58:56 <mrmoku> maybe wait for the fat image and the feed?
Aug 08 15:59:00 <TAsn> as it's a testing candidate
Aug 08 15:59:02 <TAsn> mrmoku, okie.
Aug 08 15:59:13 <TAsn> let me know.
Aug 08 15:59:13 <TAsn> ciao.
Aug 08 15:59:16 <mrmoku> cu
Aug 08 15:59:40 <TAsn> eating together?
Aug 08 15:59:47 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 16:02:22 <schasch> mrmoku: shall I test it...?
Aug 08 16:02:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re808af241340 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala): libfsobasics: logger: add Logger.createFromKeyFileName( filename, domain )
Aug 08 16:03:16 <schasch> mrmoku|away : thankX
Aug 08 16:09:41 <TAsn> schasch, it works here
Aug 08 16:09:47 <TAsn> feel free to test it ;)
Aug 08 16:09:52 <TAsn> dos1, please test the new image ;)
Aug 08 16:09:55 <TAsn> as it's a testing cand
Aug 08 16:10:41 <dos1> TAsn: i'll do it, but not now
Aug 08 16:10:57 <dos1> TAsn: now i'm preparing myself to draw your sketches :P
Aug 08 16:10:58 <TAsn> dos1, of course, after the sketches... :)
Aug 08 16:11:04 <TAsn> dos1, hehe yeah ;)
Aug 08 16:11:06 <TAsn> cool enough.
Aug 08 16:12:19 * TAsn got himself a brand new working image and is happy.
Aug 08 16:13:32 <TAsn> looks nice :)
Aug 08 16:13:38 <TAsn> I'll even keep the default shr-spalsh-theme
Aug 08 16:13:40 <TAsn> it's nice :)
Aug 08 16:14:25 <schasch> TAsn: OK thanks i'll test it later....
Aug 08 16:14:37 <TAsn> schasch, thank mrmoku|away .
Aug 08 16:15:01 <schasch> TAsn: allready did that !  :-)
Aug 08 16:15:12 <TAsn> schasch, doing it twice won't hurt ;]
Aug 08 16:15:21 <TAsn> (j/k)
Aug 08 16:15:52 <schasch> TAsn : I did it twice   mrmoku  and mrmoku|away   :-)
Aug 08 16:16:53 <TAsn> schasch, :)
Aug 08 16:17:06 <DocScrutinizer> woooooooooot :-D NEW IMAGE
Aug 08 16:17:41 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, aye ! :)
Aug 08 16:17:42 <dos1> SHR - probably the best distro in the world (C) :>
Aug 08 16:17:43 <TAsn> go get it
Aug 08 16:17:46 <TAsn> hot from the stove
Aug 08 16:17:57 <TAsn> please everyone, float bugs asap
Aug 08 16:18:00 <TAsn> as it's a testing cand
Aug 08 16:18:01 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 16:18:20 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: give it another 5days to ripe
Aug 08 16:18:35 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I was thinking more about 3
Aug 08 16:18:37 <TAsn> but whatever ;)
Aug 08 16:18:44 <dos1> hmmm
Aug 08 16:18:45 <TAsn> (no one would agree with me about 3 anyway...)
Aug 08 16:18:47 <TAsn> but ok
Aug 08 16:18:50 <TAsn> 5 is reasonable
Aug 08 16:18:50 <dos1> thinking abou that
Aug 08 16:19:00 <F4t> the kernel from 2nd of august?
Aug 08 16:19:02 <dos1> now unstable is stable, testing and stable doesn't exist
Aug 08 16:19:12 <dos1> but after releasing and maintaining testing
Aug 08 16:19:12 <TAsn> F4t, possibly.
Aug 08 16:19:20 * DocScrutinizer gets himself some icecream out of the freezer to celebrate :-D
Aug 08 16:19:30 <F4t> uuh ice cream!
Aug 08 16:19:31 <TAsn> dos1, we'll have a truly unstable
Aug 08 16:19:32 <dos1> we will have testing -unstable, stable -testing and non-existient -stable
Aug 08 16:19:33 <TAsn> unstable
Aug 08 16:19:38 <dos1> :D
Aug 08 16:19:39 <TAsn> and a stable testing
Aug 08 16:19:42 <TAsn> dos1, aye. ;)
Aug 08 16:19:53 <TAsn> dos1, I don't think we can release a stable version
Aug 08 16:19:55 <TAsn> before we finish
Aug 08 16:19:57 <TAsn> libphone-ui
Aug 08 16:20:01 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 16:20:06 <TAsn> and ophoneuid
Aug 08 16:20:07 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 16:20:07 <dos1> uh, yup
Aug 08 16:20:18 <TAsn> though I think we can do it really fast
Aug 08 16:20:30 <TAsn> I'll hopefully finish a lot this week (libphone-ui)
Aug 08 16:20:40 <TAsn> and will only leave the actual UI design
Aug 08 16:20:41 <TAsn> i.e
Aug 08 16:20:45 <dos1> but we're still missing one thing in stable/testing/unstable hierarhy ;)
Aug 08 16:20:46 <TAsn> libphone-ui-efl or such
Aug 08 16:20:48 <TAsn> to someone else.
Aug 08 16:20:54 <TAsn> dos1, ?
Aug 08 16:21:13 <TAsn> ok, done! :)
Aug 08 16:21:14 <dos1> TAsn: testing which acts like stable.
Aug 08 16:21:15 <TAsn> got all my image back!
Aug 08 16:21:16 <DocScrutinizer> WTF??? get out a TESTING. What do you dream of STABLE right now??? ;-)
Aug 08 16:21:33 <dos1> TAsn: so we won't have true testing ;)
Aug 08 16:21:48 <TAsn> dos1, testing is supposed to be stable
Aug 08 16:21:51 <TAsn> I mean
Aug 08 16:21:58 <TAsn> something gets tested in unstable
Aug 08 16:22:04 <TAsn> for lets say 5 days
Aug 08 16:22:06 <TAsn> and then moved to testing
Aug 08 16:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Aug 08 16:22:12 <TAsn> and then after a week
Aug 08 16:22:15 <TAsn> it can move to stable
Aug 08 16:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> 3weeks
Aug 08 16:22:21 <TAsn> though testing should also be rock-solid :)
Aug 08 16:22:37 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I'm trying to make it faster, but yeah ;)
Aug 08 16:23:09 <DocScrutinizer> basically that's a matter of # of reports dropping in, not a mater of timespan
Aug 08 16:23:33 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, there's a minimum timespan though.
Aug 08 16:23:56 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: so if you can manage to collect ~50 "works for me" on testing in just one week, hey go for stable
Aug 08 16:24:11 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, nah
Aug 08 16:24:21 <TAsn> you also need to find the rare cases
Aug 08 16:24:23 * TAsn thinks.
Aug 08 16:24:27 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 08 16:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I say
Aug 08 16:24:35 <TAsn> and for that you need a little more
Aug 08 16:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> take your time
Aug 08 16:24:42 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I know.
Aug 08 16:24:44 <TAsn> I agree with you, I was just being greedy :)
Aug 08 16:24:54 <TAsn> anyhow, it's ok to dream about a stable release :)
Aug 08 16:24:57 <TAsn> as we are pretty close
Aug 08 16:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 08 16:25:06 <TAsn> all we need is to finish libphone-ui
Aug 08 16:25:11 <TAsn> (and start)
Aug 08 16:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> let's hope you're right on that
Aug 08 16:25:20 <TAsn> finish (and start) ophoneui
Aug 08 16:25:30 <TAsn> and let ophonekitd talk to ophoneui
Aug 08 16:25:30 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 16:25:33 <TAsn> as simple as that.
Aug 08 16:25:39 <TAsn> *s/let/make
Aug 08 16:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> all that is about U, not even about T
Aug 08 16:26:19 <DocScrutinizer> not to think about S
Aug 08 16:26:38 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, aye.
Aug 08 16:26:42 <dos1> TAsn: are you sure another daemon is needed?
Aug 08 16:26:49 <TAsn> dos1, yes.
Aug 08 16:26:51 <dos1> TAsn: i think ophonekitd is that one about gui
Aug 08 16:27:01 <TAsn> dos1, ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:27:15 <dos1> TAsn: and we already discussed that in ophonekid dbusification threads ;x
Aug 08 16:27:18 <TAsn> is responsible for registering to gsm (for example)
Aug 08 16:27:20 <PaulFertser> ~
Aug 08 16:27:25 * DocScrutinizer considering the suggested watercooling option, heads of for shower finally
Aug 08 16:27:29 <TAsn> dos1, I need to reread that thread
Aug 08 16:27:32 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 16:27:36 <DocScrutinizer> s/of /off /
Aug 08 16:27:43 <TAsn> dos1, anyhow, it's responsible registering to gsm
Aug 08 16:27:46 <dos1> TAsn: yup. but then you'll get ophonekitd doing *only* gsm registration
Aug 08 16:27:53 <TAsn> which is definitely NOT ui related.
Aug 08 16:28:01 <TAsn> dos1, maybe it should.
Aug 08 16:28:07 <TAsn> it's not a big overhead (doing this split)
Aug 08 16:28:13 <TAsn> but it's a more correct behavior
Aug 08 16:28:31 <TAsn> furthermore, it'll let other ppl
Aug 08 16:28:35 <TAsn> use ophoneuid
Aug 08 16:28:38 <dos1> TAsn: for me ophonekitd is a bridge between phone-ui and FSO
Aug 08 16:28:45 <TAsn> easily
Aug 08 16:28:59 <dos1> TAsn: that's how i always imagine ophonekitd function :P
Aug 08 16:29:00 <TAsn> dos1, as it will be
Aug 08 16:29:04 <TAsn> it'll also listen
Aug 08 16:29:13 <TAsn> to received message signal
Aug 08 16:29:17 <TAsn> and issue a ophoneui method
Aug 08 16:29:17 <dos1> and as "phone-ui" i mean actual libframeworkd-phonegui
Aug 08 16:29:19 <TAsn> for example
Aug 08 16:29:26 <TAsn> dos1, I know that's what you mean.
Aug 08 16:29:30 <TAsn> though I disagree ;)
Aug 08 16:29:37 <TAsn> it'll talk to a dbus wrapped
Aug 08 16:29:41 <TAsn> libframeworkd-phonegui
Aug 08 16:29:49 <TAsn> which is practically the same.
Aug 08 16:30:01 <TAsn> don't you think?
Aug 08 16:30:07 <dos1> so ophonekitd listens to dbus signal, and then call dbus method of phone-ui, which is displaying gui...
Aug 08 16:30:16 <TAsn> aye.
Aug 08 16:30:22 <DocScrutinizer> good boys :-)
Aug 08 16:30:24 <TAsn> I know it sounds "a bit off"
Aug 08 16:30:35 <TAsn> but it lets you split GUI stack
Aug 08 16:30:43 <dos1> but... is it really needed?
Aug 08 16:30:45 <TAsn> from phone stack
Aug 08 16:30:56 <dos1> why for man can use phone-ui withoud ophonekitd?
Aug 08 16:31:06 <dos1> s/withoud/without/
Aug 08 16:31:06 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: why for man can use phone-ui without ophonekitd?
Aug 08 16:31:23 <TAsn> dos1, please rephrase :)
Aug 08 16:31:32 <TAsn> I don't understand what you just said ;)
Aug 08 16:31:46 <dos1> TAsn: tell me one use case of havinh phone-ui running without ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:31:56 <dos1> TAsn: for me phone stack is FSO, gui stack is ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:31:58 <dos1> ATM
Aug 08 16:32:04 <TAsn> dos1, ATM...
Aug 08 16:32:19 <dos1> and you want to divide gui stack
Aug 08 16:32:22 <TAsn> dos1, for instance when someone doesn't have a GSM part
Aug 08 16:32:27 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: good question. maybe some completely different stack, e.g. voip?
Aug 08 16:32:28 <TAsn> but still uses fso
Aug 08 16:32:38 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, for instance
Aug 08 16:33:02 <TAsn> dos1, my goal: offer GUI dbus api
Aug 08 16:33:04 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: ophonekitd should handle voip then, if phone-ui supports that
Aug 08 16:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: valid point
Aug 08 16:33:47 <TAsn> and what about if the device doesn't support calls at all?
Aug 08 16:33:52 <TAsn> and still uses FSO
Aug 08 16:33:53 <dos1> TAsn: ok, do what you want, but discuss it with coreteam before doing that please ;)
Aug 08 16:33:55 <TAsn> and contacts
Aug 08 16:34:00 <TAsn> dos1, duh :)
Aug 08 16:34:05 <dos1> TAsn: then ophonekid just doesn't enable GSM
Aug 08 16:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: from a system-architect pov you want things like tasn suggests
Aug 08 16:34:21 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, exactly.
Aug 08 16:34:29 <dos1> TAsn: but it's still handling ui related dbus methods
Aug 08 16:34:29 <TAsn> I want to let ppl choose to remove ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:34:41 <TAsn> dos1, who is?
Aug 08 16:34:51 <dos1> TAsn: ophonekitd, in my imagination ;)
Aug 08 16:34:54 <TAsn> I want to let users be able to replace ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:35:08 <TAsn> ophonekitd will "manage the phone"
Aug 08 16:35:20 <TAsn> doing everything that's need
Aug 08 16:35:23 <TAsn> request for resources
Aug 08 16:35:28 <TAsn> show GUI
Aug 08 16:35:35 <TAsn> do what ever it wants
Aug 08 16:35:36 <dos1> TAsn: but for me removing ophonekitd means "i have not needed phone-ui now. to use it i have to write exactly the same what ophonekitd do"
Aug 08 16:35:38 <TAsn> it's the MAN
Aug 08 16:35:56 <TAsn> dos1, I don't think ophonekitd should be removed
Aug 08 16:35:59 <TAsn> on the contrary
Aug 08 16:36:08 <TAsn> I think it should stay there and we should only remove the hacks from it ;)
Aug 08 16:36:08 <dos1> TAsn: [18:34] <TAsn> I want to let ppl choose to remove ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:36:14 <dos1> TAsn: i was referring to that
Aug 08 16:36:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, please scroll back and tell me what you think.
Aug 08 16:36:24 <TAsn> dos1, oh, I meant other distros for intsance
Aug 08 16:36:26 <TAsn> instance*
Aug 08 16:36:30 <TAsn> or maybe us in the future
Aug 08 16:36:41 <TAsn> if we'll want to *replace* not remove it
Aug 08 16:36:43 <dos1> TAsn: yup. but then phone-ui is not needed
Aug 08 16:36:58 <TAsn> maybe move it to vala?
Aug 08 16:37:06 <dos1> TAsn: i just can
Aug 08 16:37:08 <dos1> ...
Aug 08 16:37:21 <dos1> TAsn: i just can't imagine phone-ui running without ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:37:32 <TAsn> dos1, libphone-ui = libframeworkd-phonegui rewritten and name with a proper maintainable name 
Aug 08 16:37:35 <TAsn> (I just hate the name)
Aug 08 16:37:38 <dos1> TAsn: (of course you can write something exactly equal to ophonekitd, but that's not the point :P)
Aug 08 16:37:38 <TAsn> ophoneuid
Aug 08 16:37:49 <dos1> TAsn: yes, i know that ;P
Aug 08 16:37:50 <TAsn> is just libphone-ui dbus server
Aug 08 16:38:00 <TAsn> was just making sure.
Aug 08 16:38:09 <TAsn> ophonekitd will remain exactly the same!
Aug 08 16:38:09 <dos1> TAsn: yes, when i'm talking about phone-ui i mean dbus server
Aug 08 16:38:13 <TAsn> ok
Aug 08 16:38:19 <TAsn> ophonekitd will remain exactly the same!
Aug 08 16:38:23 <TAsn> you'll just replace calls to
Aug 08 16:38:30 <TAsn> libphone-ui
Aug 08 16:38:30 <TAsn> to
Aug 08 16:38:34 <TAsn> dbus ophoenui
Aug 08 16:38:36 <dos1> TAsn: i understand
Aug 08 16:38:38 <TAsn> d
Aug 08 16:38:46 <dos1> TAsn: but that's introducing not needed layer for me
Aug 08 16:38:50 <TAsn> dos1, so I'm not even changing ophonekitd
Aug 08 16:38:57 <TAsn> dos1, first of all
Aug 08 16:38:57 <dos1> TAsn: as noone else except ophonekitd will use that
Aug 08 16:39:06 <TAsn> dos1, you are wrong
Aug 08 16:39:14 <TAsn> first of all
Aug 08 16:39:18 <TAsn> shr-contacts
Aug 08 16:39:20 <TAsn> shr-messages
Aug 08 16:39:23 <dos1> except ui clients of course
Aug 08 16:39:24 <dos1> :P
Aug 08 16:39:24 <TAsn> shr-another crap
Aug 08 16:39:28 <dos1> i mean demon part
Aug 08 16:39:30 <dos1> daemon*
Aug 08 16:39:44 <TAsn> dos1, I don't quite get what you mean.
Aug 08 16:39:56 * mrmoku tends to agree with TAsn 
Aug 08 16:40:06 <dos1> hmm
Aug 08 16:40:08 <TAsn> anyhow, I have the most important example right here:
Aug 08 16:40:16 <dos1> ok, i have to think about that
Aug 08 16:40:17 <TAsn> ophonekitd registers to GSM
Aug 08 16:40:21 <mrmoku> yo, fat image finished
Aug 08 16:40:27 <TAsn> though it's also (for some reason)
Aug 08 16:40:29 <TAsn> a GUI daemon
Aug 08 16:40:35 <TAsn> and therefore
Aug 08 16:40:37 <TAsn> it has to load only AFTER X
Aug 08 16:40:40 <TAsn> which is terribly bad
Aug 08 16:40:42 <TAsn> !
Aug 08 16:40:48 <TAsn> it should load with the framework asap
Aug 08 16:40:55 <dos1> hmmmm
Aug 08 16:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: gooooood point :-)
Aug 08 16:41:04 <TAsn> (I know atm the framework is slow, so what I'm describing is not the bottleneck, but still...)
Aug 08 16:41:16 <dos1> ok, i changed point of view from daemon part to user apps
Aug 08 16:41:24 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, That's a proof! Good design always beats bad design! :)
Aug 08 16:41:39 <dos1> and it looks quite ok
Aug 08 16:41:43 <dos1> but i have to think on it :P
Aug 08 16:41:49 <dos1> s/on/about/
Aug 08 16:41:49 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: but i have to think about it :P
Aug 08 16:41:49 <TAsn> dos1, think ahead. ;)
Aug 08 16:42:10 * TAsn is still waiting for dos1's sketches.
Aug 08 16:42:25 <dos1> designing such complex infrastructure is a little bit complicated
Aug 08 16:42:31 <dos1> you have to imagine everything correctly ;)
Aug 08 16:42:33 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, (btw, I know it's not a valid proof, this statement alone will get me an F in logic)
Aug 08 16:42:40 <TAsn> dos1, aye. ;)
Aug 08 16:43:12 <TAsn> that's why I usually think a lot about something before I even suggest it here, the same can't be said about my committing habits.
Aug 08 16:43:27 <TAsn> mrmoku knows what I'm talking about ^
Aug 08 16:43:43 <mrmoku> dos1, one thing we want is to have different projects for different ui flavours
Aug 08 16:43:52 <mrmoku> and a stable ophonekitd under it
Aug 08 16:44:11 <TAsn> btw mrmoku, landscape keyboard broke again :(
Aug 08 16:44:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, what do you mean?
Aug 08 16:44:24 <mrmoku> TAsn :(
Aug 08 16:44:25 <DocScrutinizer> good boys! :-) Heading to shower now with the warm feeling of confidence in correct dispute about system-architecture done by you ;-P
Aug 08 16:44:28 <TAsn> qt vs efl vs funky efl?
Aug 08 16:44:36 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, lol.
Aug 08 16:44:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, if so, I agree and think exactly the same.
Aug 08 16:45:03 <TAsn> As for the modules part
Aug 08 16:45:05 <mrmoku> TAsn, yes, but not only... also tasn vs dos1 vs mrmoku :P
Aug 08 16:45:25 <TAsn> I'll just let them an .h file to implement and that's is
Aug 08 16:45:36 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah, that's what I mean by efl vs funky efl
Aug 08 16:45:45 <TAsn> different flavors
Aug 08 16:45:51 <TAsn> I know, i thought about it as well, and I'm truly excited :)
Aug 08 16:45:55 * dos1 really want to make writing phone-ui ui's in python easly
Aug 08 16:46:38 * mrmoku fears we will end with a pyhton phone ui, just because dos1 is damn fast writing new stuff :(
Aug 08 16:46:53 <TAsn> dos1, actually, I'm trying to think about being able to write phoneui (to be used with libphone-ui) in python
Aug 08 16:47:01 <TAsn> mrmoku, don't worry
Aug 08 16:47:08 <TAsn> ophoneui and libphone-ui
Aug 08 16:47:12 <TAsn> will be written in C
Aug 08 16:47:13 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 16:47:16 <soltys> :)
Aug 08 16:47:19 <TAsn> not even funky vala.
Aug 08 16:47:50 <TAsn> mrmoku, we are already past the let's do quick python hacks stage
Aug 08 16:49:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, I want to start packing all the keyboards
Aug 08 16:49:34 <TAsn> illume-keyboard-hebrew
Aug 08 16:49:40 <TAsn> illume-keyboard-german
Aug 08 16:49:43 <TAsn> or whatever
Aug 08 16:49:46 <TAsn> easily
Aug 08 16:49:59 <TAsn> got an idea how to do it correctly with bitbake?
Aug 08 16:50:08 <TAsn> please think about such way
Aug 08 16:50:14 <TAsn> I'm going to get something to eat.
Aug 08 16:50:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, maybe even host our own keyboards repo
Aug 08 16:50:43 <TAsn> to make it easy.
Aug 08 16:50:49 <mrmoku> yeah, such thing is missing
Aug 08 16:50:54 <TAsn> as I think users need a fast and solid way to get keyboards.
Aug 08 16:51:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, what do you think about a keyboards repo?
Aug 08 16:51:20 <mrmoku> TAsn, we could just add one, yeah
Aug 08 16:51:21 <TAsn> if you want you can open one and create a bb (in a smart way maybe)
Aug 08 16:51:26 <TAsn> and I'll collect the keyboards
Aug 08 16:51:31 <TAsn> from the wiki page
Aug 08 16:51:40 <mrmoku> ok
Aug 08 16:51:47 <TAsn> cool.
Aug 08 16:51:50 <TAsn> brb|food
Aug 08 16:51:56 <TAsn> and then i'll start collecting ;)
Aug 08 16:52:04 <mrmoku> have a nice meal then :)
Aug 08 16:52:11 <TAsn> thanks.
Aug 08 16:53:02 * DocScrutinizer is throwing his thought in the discussion that is kbd-install is closely related/resembling general localization install. then immediately heads off for shower
Aug 08 16:53:36 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, it is related
Aug 08 16:53:47 * mrmoku thinks about task-shr-i18n-german ...
Aug 08 16:53:51 <TAsn> though we have to start from somewhere, this somewhere is having packages to play with.
Aug 08 16:53:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye.
Aug 08 16:53:59 <TAsn> I agree.
Aug 08 16:54:23 <TAsn> food.
Aug 08 16:55:34 <dos1> i already provided e-wm-illume-dict-polish :P
Aug 08 16:55:42 <TAsn> dos1, saw it.
Aug 08 16:55:51 <TAsn> i think dropping e-wm- is wanted
Aug 08 16:56:05 <TAsn> anyhow, real-fooi
Aug 08 16:56:06 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 16:56:09 <TAsn> food*
Aug 08 16:57:52 <F4t> flashing new lite image
Aug 08 16:58:14 <thrashold> Is there anyone here working on a Bluetooth client?
Aug 08 16:58:19 <DocScrutinizer> purge that crap like filemanager, alarm (replace by ffalarms), mofi(!!!), pidgin (replace by xchat), ...
Aug 08 16:59:09 * DocScrutinizer (talking agnostic of most current image)
Aug 08 16:59:48 <soltys> thrashold: i have that in my todo list for nearest future ;)
Aug 08 17:00:41 <DocScrutinizer> client???
Aug 08 17:00:42 <thrashold> soltys, I'm asking cause I'm writing "something" in Python/Elementary now, and I started adding bluetooth support to it
Aug 08 17:01:03 <thrashold> Bluetooth pin agent, bluetooth browsing, obex client, etc.
Aug 08 17:01:32 <soltys> thrashold: i was planning to write btmanager also in Python/Elementary ;)
Aug 08 17:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> please keep in mind things like PAN profile, modem access profile, need to integrate into mokonnect (or whatever we might see in future to handle general connectivity)
Aug 08 17:03:38 <thrashold> Ping me when you start writing it, in case I have managed to write something.
Aug 08 17:03:43 <thrashold> That was to soltys 
Aug 08 17:04:16 <soltys> thrashold: ok ;)
Aug 08 17:06:52 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, we already did most of that!
Aug 08 17:06:57 <TAsn> purged filemanager
Aug 08 17:07:00 <TAsn> replaced alarm
Aug 08 17:07:03 <TAsn> killed mofi
Aug 08 17:07:16 <DocScrutinizer> cool
Aug 08 17:07:20 <TAsn> as for pidgin
Aug 08 17:07:28 <TAsn> it's not installed by default iirc
Aug 08 17:07:38 <DocScrutinizer> here it was
Aug 08 17:07:40 <dos1> TAsn: it is in fat image
Aug 08 17:07:45 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 08 17:07:47 <TAsn> dos1, i c.
Aug 08 17:07:51 <TAsn> well it's a reasonable choice
Aug 08 17:07:52 <DocScrutinizer> talking fat
Aug 08 17:07:54 <soltys> dos1: i was just writing that ;P
Aug 08 17:07:59 <thrashold> By the way, I'm the least purposeful coder in the world,. I was writing a frontend to arecord with one button that records a wav. I decided I needed a file browser to choose where to put the wav. Now my file browser browses bluetooth devices and services, but I still have no browse button in my arecord frontend :D
Aug 08 17:08:33 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, xchat is only irc, pidgin is more.
Aug 08 17:08:49 <TAsn> thrashold, there are file selection widgets... 
Aug 08 17:08:52 <TAsn> :|
Aug 08 17:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: ack
Aug 08 17:09:15 <dos1> TAsn: in elementary?
Aug 08 17:09:23 <thrashold> TAsn, there is ayttm. I haven't tried pidgin in a while, but ayttm seems more lightweight than pidgin
Aug 08 17:09:42 <TAsn> dos1, if not, ask raster to make one
Aug 08 17:09:47 <thrashold> There is also apathy, which is a telepathy frontend in python-elementary, I haven't tried it
Aug 08 17:09:57 <TAsn> or make one yourself and contribute to elementary
Aug 08 17:09:59 <TAsn> though I think there is.
Aug 08 17:10:02 <TAsn> as it's pretty basic.
Aug 08 17:10:04 <thrashold> (I found it when I was planning to write that)
Aug 08 17:10:08 <dos1> TAsn: it isn't
Aug 08 17:10:20 <dos1> thrashold: apathy?
Aug 08 17:10:20 <TAsn> dos1, not easy to write
Aug 08 17:10:25 <TAsn> basic by usage
Aug 08 17:10:30 <TAsn> I mean, a lot of apps need it.
Aug 08 17:10:37 <dos1> TAsn: i mean it isn't in elementary
Aug 08 17:11:03 <mrmoku> TAsn, what about dicts?
Aug 08 17:11:11 <thrashold> dos1, hm, I might be wrong about the name, let me check again
Aug 08 17:11:26 <dos1> thrashold: no, i just didn't hear about it
Aug 08 17:11:30 <dos1> thrashold: some links?
Aug 08 17:12:23 <dos1> thrashold: i was trying to write python-elementary telepathy frontend, but i managed only to display list of contacts :P
Aug 08 17:12:33 * DocScrutinizer heard of telepathy, and feels nasty apathy
Aug 08 17:12:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, illume-dicts-lang
Aug 08 17:12:42 <thrashold> http://www.openapathy.org/
Aug 08 17:12:47 <TAsn> mrmoku, illume-dict-lang *
Aug 08 17:12:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, anyhow, I'm collecting keyboards, sec.
Aug 08 17:14:26 <F4t> uhhhh apathy looks cool
Aug 08 17:14:47 <F4t> why isnt it in the openmoko.org wiki
Aug 08 17:14:51 <Q-Master> dos1: 8)
Aug 08 17:14:59 * dos1 wants apathy
Aug 08 17:15:13 <dos1> it's python-elementary, so i can tweak it ;)
Aug 08 17:16:27 <mrmoku> TAsn, I have no problems to give the dicts a sane name... but where to get them?
Aug 08 17:16:40 <mrmoku> I mean dicts with frequency
Aug 08 17:16:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, ask users to provide their dicts.
Aug 08 17:16:55 <dos1> mrmoku: you don't need frequency
Aug 08 17:16:59 <dos1> it's optional
Aug 08 17:17:02 <mrmoku> TAsn, could you please provide me your hebrew dict? ;)
Aug 08 17:17:15 <mrmoku> dos1, could you please provide me your polish dict? :P
Aug 08 17:17:27 <dos1> mrmoku: it is in shr-themes.git repo :P
Aug 08 17:17:28 <mrmoku> I know its optional
Aug 08 17:17:36 <mrmoku> hehe
Aug 08 17:18:18 <mrmoku> is illume-keyboards a sane name for the repo?
Aug 08 17:18:20 * mrmoku thinks so
Aug 08 17:18:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, I have no hebrew dict
Aug 08 17:18:45 <TAsn> the hebrew keyboard is not predictive
Aug 08 17:18:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye.
Aug 08 17:19:06 <dos1> mrmoku: you mean different repo or task package? o_O
Aug 08 17:19:30 <thrashold> What should dictionaries contain? Words, or words and frequencies?
Aug 08 17:19:32 <mrmoku> dos1, you say it should go into shr-themes?
Aug 08 17:19:40 <dos1> mrmoku: ah, git repo
Aug 08 17:19:44 <dos1> mrmoku: ok then :)
Aug 08 17:19:45 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 08 17:19:55 <dos1> mrmoku: i don't know why i thought about opkg repo ;)
Aug 08 17:20:01 <mrmoku> :P
Aug 08 17:20:16 <mrmoku> TAsn, keyboards are always a kbd + png for the icon?
Aug 08 17:20:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, mostly
Aug 08 17:20:37 <TAsn> they don't have to provide a png for the icon
Aug 08 17:20:41 <TAsn> nvm
Aug 08 17:20:42 <TAsn> always!
Aug 08 17:20:46 <TAsn> i'll just add flags
Aug 08 17:20:46 <mrmoku> fine :)
Aug 08 17:20:47 <TAsn> if they don't.
Aug 08 17:20:49 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 08 17:20:53 <mrmoku> good boy
Aug 08 17:20:53 <TAsn> as it's stupid not to have flags
Aug 08 17:29:47 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r7502e53190f6 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [Timeouts] add "sec." to displayed value
Aug 08 17:30:57 <TAsn> ok mrmoku collected
Aug 08 17:30:59 <TAsn> gimme a repo
Aug 08 17:31:06 <TAsn> dos1, sketches!!!
Aug 08 17:31:43 <dos1> mrmoku: rebuild shr-settings :D
Aug 08 17:31:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, listen to me first!
Aug 08 17:31:59 <dos1> and i'm going to make that fscking sketches ;P
Aug 08 17:32:33 <dos1> (but really i'm going to rest, cause i'm lazy, but i'm just saying that to let TAsn shut up)
Aug 08 17:32:35 <dos1> j/k ;)
Aug 08 17:32:50 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 17:32:54 <Q-Master> mrmoku: what about efl2?
Aug 08 17:32:58 <mrmoku> TAsn, I want subdirs with two files each
Aug 08 17:33:08 <TAsn> Q-Master, that madafuka is dead
Aug 08 17:33:08 <mrmoku> on keyboard.kbd and one keyboard.png
Aug 08 17:33:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, that's a bit of a problem
Aug 08 17:33:32 <TAsn> as keyboards can have AUX crap
Aug 08 17:33:37 <Q-Master> ??
Aug 08 17:33:38 <TAsn> like more pics
Aug 08 17:33:38 <TAsn> for complex stuff
Aug 08 17:33:38 <TAsn> and such.
Aug 08 17:33:48 <Q-Master> so no lib to use PIM?
Aug 08 17:33:50 <mrmoku> TAsn, that was my question from before ;)
Aug 08 17:33:53 <dos1> mrmoku: and every keyboard has to have different name
Aug 08 17:33:54 <TAsn> Q-Master, libphoneui
Aug 08 17:33:56 <TAsn> jsut wait :)
Aug 08 17:34:08 <dos1> Q-Master: yup, just wait, it will be by default in SHR
Aug 08 17:34:08 <mrmoku> dos1, yup, handling that via ${PN}
Aug 08 17:34:10 * Q-Master don't like waiting 8)
Aug 08 17:34:21 <dos1> Q-Master: so help us and write it! :D
Aug 08 17:34:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, I thought you asked if that's the bear minimum
Aug 08 17:34:40 <Q-Master> lazy bastards... 8)
Aug 08 17:34:54 <TAsn> mrmoku, please give me a repo!
Aug 08 17:35:03 <mrmoku> TAsn, done long ago :P
Aug 08 17:35:14 <TAsn> really?
Aug 08 17:35:25 <TAsn> can't see.
Aug 08 17:35:28 <TAsn> please push
Aug 08 17:35:30 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 17:35:31 <mrmoku> TAsn, you have to clone it yourself though :P
Aug 08 17:36:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, http://git.shr-project.org/git/ nothing there
Aug 08 17:36:11 <mrmoku> (and I have to add it to the repolist to make it apear there)
Aug 08 17:36:15 <dos1> TAsn: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=phonegui-specs.git;a=tree
Aug 08 17:36:16 <mrmoku> TAsn, just clone
Aug 08 17:36:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, oh. 
Aug 08 17:36:23 <TAsn> mrmoku, ok
Aug 08 17:36:24 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 17:36:24 <dos1> TAsn: i think we should work on it ;)
Aug 08 17:36:37 <TAsn> dos1, what's that?
Aug 08 17:36:50 <TAsn> dbus specs?
Aug 08 17:36:52 <dos1> TAsn: phone-ui dbus specification :P
Aug 08 17:37:06 <TAsn> yes, we do.
Aug 08 17:37:14 <TAsn> though I don't think a git repo is the proper place
Aug 08 17:37:17 <TAsn> I created a wiki page for that.
Aug 08 17:37:25 <TAsn> (see my mail at shrcore)
Aug 08 17:37:52 <mrmoku> TAsn, nah, I strongly disagree
Aug 08 17:38:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied
Aug 08 17:38:46 <TAsn> :(
Aug 08 17:38:50 <TAsn> gimme access
Aug 08 17:39:10 <TAsn> nvm
Aug 08 17:39:20 <dos1> http://www.amacleod.me.uk/apathy/apathy.ogv
Aug 08 17:40:03 <dos1> TAsn: wiki for ideas, git for final spec
Aug 08 17:40:21 <mrmoku> TAsn, better *with* ssh right?
Aug 08 17:40:25 <TAsn> dos1, duh... ;)
Aug 08 17:40:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, i always used ssh
Aug 08 17:40:38 <TAsn> now it works anyawy.
Aug 08 17:41:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, git pull
Aug 08 17:41:32 <TAsn> and look what I did :)
Aug 08 17:41:37 <TAsn> sec though
Aug 08 17:41:40 <TAsn> a lot of traffic is being sent.
Aug 08 17:41:49 <F4t> *sigh* still flashing... "lite" image
Aug 08 17:41:57 <TAsn> F4t, 60mb
Aug 08 17:41:59 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r49bcbff6699a 10/german/README: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/illume-keyboards
Aug 08 17:42:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm calling the keyboards
Aug 08 17:42:09 <TAsn> Arabic
Aug 08 17:42:09 <TAsn> Hebrew
Aug 08 17:42:09 <TAsn> German
Aug 08 17:42:09 <TAsn> right?
Aug 08 17:42:09 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * rc0bc5ebe1034 10/ (36 files in 9 dirs): initial commit of all the keyborads
Aug 08 17:42:12 <TAsn> (with caps)
Aug 08 17:42:45 <TAsn> and mrmoku 
Aug 08 17:42:58 <TAsn> just copy the content of the dir entirely
Aug 08 17:43:00 <dos1> TAsn: i have polish terminal keyboard
Aug 08 17:43:03 <TAsn> don't handpick files.
Aug 08 17:43:08 <TAsn> dos1, please commit...
Aug 08 17:43:35 <dos1> TAsn: but that button on left and right don't work with it
Aug 08 17:44:00 <dos1> TAsn: as i have diacritic chars on that bar with suggestions when using predictive
Aug 08 17:44:13 <mrmoku> TAsn, arghh.. naughty boy :P
Aug 08 17:44:17 <dos1> it's a bit hackish ;D
Aug 08 17:44:46 <mrmoku> hmm
Aug 08 17:45:06 <mrmoku> TAsn, ok, just copy everything might work as well...
Aug 08 17:45:07 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 17:45:17 * mrmoku takes back the naughty
Aug 08 17:46:19 <TAsn> should I call the french keyboard
Aug 08 17:46:20 <TAsn> french
Aug 08 17:46:22 <TAsn> or Azerty?
Aug 08 17:46:31 <F4t> short apathy video:  http://www.amacleod.me.uk/apathy/apathy.ogv
Aug 08 17:46:50 * Q-Master wants a transparent keyboard with russian
Aug 08 17:47:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, done :)
Aug 08 17:47:32 <TAsn> anyhow, you just take the PN from the actual name of the bb file, right?
Aug 08 17:47:40 <dos1> F4t: i already sent it here ;P
Aug 08 17:47:52 <F4t> oh, didnt see :)
Aug 08 17:48:19 <lindi-> F4t: is it using some lib for MSN?
Aug 08 17:48:24 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r92155fe12cfa 10/french/Azerty.png: added Azerty.png
Aug 08 17:48:28 <dos1> lindi-: telepathy
Aug 08 17:48:29 <TAsn> no internal changes.
Aug 08 17:48:29 <TAsn> right?
Aug 08 17:48:29 <TAsn> (oh, but you may need to parse it to remove the illume-keyboards- part
Aug 08 17:48:29 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku I'm done :)
Aug 08 17:48:30 <TAsn> enjoy. ;)
Aug 08 17:48:45 <mrmoku> will do :P
Aug 08 17:48:47 <lindi-> dos1: for msn?
Aug 08 17:48:59 <lindi-> dos1: are we talking about XEP-166 here?
Aug 08 17:49:12 <dos1> lindi-: i think for everything :x
Aug 08 17:49:22 <dos1> lindi-: doesn't telepathy support msn?
Aug 08 17:49:26 <lindi-> dos1: what's that telepathy?
Aug 08 17:49:38 <dos1> lindi-: im framework
Aug 08 17:49:41 <lindi-> dos1: aiee
Aug 08 17:49:50 <lindi-> dos1: probably something else than http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0183.html i hope :)
Aug 08 17:50:00 <TAsn> dos1, btw
Aug 08 17:50:07 <dos1> it's client app, not xmpp extension
Aug 08 17:50:17 <TAsn> I want shr-messages to look exactly like apathy
Aug 08 17:50:17 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 17:50:21 <dos1> something like libpurple, but better and with dbus interface
Aug 08 17:50:26 <TAsn> (the bubbles)
Aug 08 17:50:43 <lindi-> dos1: point is. if MSN protocol changes, are you forced to upgrade to a new version of the whole thing?
Aug 08 17:50:47 <lindi-> dos1: or can you upgrade only some small lib?
Aug 08 17:51:01 <dos1> lindi-: dunno, but probably small lib
Aug 08 17:53:34 <mrmoku> TAsn, hmm... just copy every file as is is dangerous
Aug 08 17:53:44 <mrmoku> have to take care there are no duplicate file names then
Aug 08 17:54:44 <Q-Master> dos1: libpurple has dbus iface IMO
Aug 08 17:54:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, bah, handpicking sucks :(
Aug 08 17:55:05 <TAsn> but ok.
Aug 08 17:55:08 <TAsn> (your job, haha!)
Aug 08 17:55:46 <dos1> TAsn: with handpicking you also have to take care there are no duplicates
Aug 08 17:55:56 <dos1> TAsn, mrmoku: just keep git repo sane :P
Aug 08 17:55:59 <Sharwin_F-> lindi-, telepathy has several libs for different IM :)
Aug 08 17:56:12 <Sharwin_F-> if you wanna try it on the computer, install "empathy"
Aug 08 17:56:19 <TAsn> dos1 is right.
Aug 08 17:57:06 <dos1> (to be honest "empathy" is more friendly name than "apathy" ;D)
Aug 08 17:58:22 <F4t> btw, how many more "pathy" ending words are there in english? so we can be sure about the amount of clients using telepathy as library :D
Aug 08 17:59:19 <dos1> lindi-: i like that XEP!
Aug 08 17:59:20 <Sharwin_F-> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
Aug 08 17:59:23 <dos1> lindi-: i'll implement that! :D
Aug 08 18:00:32 <Sharwin_F> telepathy is used also by apps like abiword
Aug 08 18:01:09 <Sharwin_F> to make several people able to edit the same file at the same time
Aug 08 18:03:41 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, sweet.
Aug 08 18:06:11 <mrmoku> TAsn, you should add something to give credit to the authors...
Aug 08 18:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-08 18:40:21] <mrmoku> yo, fat image finished   --  sync??
Aug 08 18:06:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, ok
Aug 08 18:06:47 <TAsn> in a sec.
Aug 08 18:06:56 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, waiting for the feed to finish
Aug 08 18:07:04 <DocScrutinizer> k
Aug 08 18:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> ETA?
Aug 08 18:07:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm still waiting for callrec + keyboards bb recipes ;)
Aug 08 18:08:49 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, 9149 of 10290
Aug 08 18:09:04 <mrmoku> TAsn, go and write your damn paper ;)
Aug 08 18:09:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, how did you know I haven't finished it yet?!
Aug 08 18:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: big brother is watching you.
Aug 08 18:11:39 <mrmoku> TAsn, you had no time to do that... bugging me here and there all the time :P
Aug 08 18:12:25 <dos1> mrmoku: does that build contain new shr-settings? :P
Aug 08 18:13:10 <mrmoku> dos1, probably... don't know
Aug 08 18:13:19 <mrmoku> depends on when you pushed :;P
Aug 08 18:13:30 <dos1> [19:29]
Aug 08 18:13:45 <mrmoku> dos1, is there some way to make illume pickup the keyboards other than restarting e?
Aug 08 18:14:01 <dos1> mrmoku: pickup keyboards?
Aug 08 18:14:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, at least we made a lot of progress today!
Aug 08 18:14:15 <mrmoku> dos1, to offer them in the dropup list
Aug 08 18:14:21 <TAsn> both decision and real
Aug 08 18:14:21 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 18:14:30 <mrmoku> TAsn, yep
Aug 08 18:14:39 <TAsn> (btw I finished half of it already)
Aug 08 18:14:48 <dos1> mrmoku: dunno :(
Aug 08 18:14:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, yes
Aug 08 18:14:58 <TAsn> killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 08 18:15:03 <TAsn> almost as slow as a whole restart
Aug 08 18:15:07 <TAsn> but fast enough ;)
Aug 08 18:15:20 <TAsn> and GUI apps of course will still run
Aug 08 18:15:41 <F4t> finally flashed the image, it takes FOREVER
Aug 08 18:15:41 <TAsn> and will continue to work correctly.
Aug 08 18:15:51 <TAsn> F4t, stop using obsolete nand ;)
Aug 08 18:16:08 <dos1> F4t: µSD FTW
Aug 08 18:16:15 <TAsn> dos1, ++
Aug 08 18:16:21 <mrmoku> TAsn, should add then to postinst then?
Aug 08 18:16:28 <mrmoku> s/then/that/
Aug 08 18:16:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah, why not.
Aug 08 18:16:29 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: TAsn, should add that to postinst then?
Aug 08 18:16:49 <LowMemory> hi there
Aug 08 18:17:01 <TAsn> mrmoku, either that
Aug 08 18:17:03 <TAsn> or an echo
Aug 08 18:17:04 <TAsn> saying
Aug 08 18:17:06 <LowMemory> isn't NAND faster than µSD ?
Aug 08 18:17:16 <TAsn> "Restart the phone to get it to work"
Aug 08 18:17:18 <TAsn> I really prefer the first.
Aug 08 18:17:18 <dos1> LowMemory: hmm, i think it isn't
Aug 08 18:17:22 <TAsn> LowMemory, way slower.
Aug 08 18:17:27 <Sharwin_F> men, Qalee 0.3 realeased: http://think-free.homelinux.org/wordpress/?p=207
Aug 08 18:17:27 <TAsn> from what I know.
Aug 08 18:17:50 <dos1> TAsn, mrmoku: noooo! i'm against killall -HUP in postinst!
Aug 08 18:17:58 <LowMemory> I just read a post saying the opposite: that's why I am confused...
Aug 08 18:18:02 <TAsn> dos1, I want that as a libphone-ui module ^
Aug 08 18:18:02 <LowMemory> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047339.html
Aug 08 18:18:12 <TAsn> dos1, why?
Aug 08 18:18:23 <dos1> i don't want to get GUI restarted while upgrade :P
Aug 08 18:19:16 <TAsn> dos1, it's not the whole GUI
Aug 08 18:19:21 <TAsn> I mean
Aug 08 18:19:25 <TAsn> apps will continue to work
Aug 08 18:19:33 <TAsn> only a minor hickup with the illume bars
Aug 08 18:19:38 <TAsn> I think it's reasonable
Aug 08 18:19:47 <TAsn> dos1, try it yourself...
Aug 08 18:19:58 <TAsn> killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 08 18:20:11 <dos1> TAsn: i know it
Aug 08 18:20:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, please add an echo "Enlightenment is being refreshed"
Aug 08 18:20:26 <TAsn> or something
Aug 08 18:20:32 <TAsn> or if you agree with dos1 
Aug 08 18:20:38 <TAsn> please put a useful msg
Aug 08 18:20:46 <dos1> TAsn: but you can enlightenment windows open
Aug 08 18:20:54 <dos1> s/can/can have/
Aug 08 18:20:55 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: TAsn: but you can have enlightenment windows open
Aug 08 18:21:24 <TAsn> like what? the settings bar?
Aug 08 18:21:24 <TAsn> who cares? :)
Aug 08 18:21:42 <dos1> like file manager? ;p
Aug 08 18:21:44 <dos1> well
Aug 08 18:22:13 <TAsn> dos1, file manager?
Aug 08 18:22:16 <TAsn> huh?
Aug 08 18:22:21 <F4t> am i dreaming, or the new image just said to me "-sh: opkg: not found"
Aug 08 18:22:22 <TAsn> you mean the desktop?
Aug 08 18:22:26 <dos1> echo "New keyboard was installed. To refresh keyboard list, type 'killall -HUP enlightenment' or reboot your phone."
Aug 08 18:22:36 <TAsn> it's only a *MINOR* two seconds hickup!
Aug 08 18:23:01 <dos1> TAsn: oh, ok, you won ;P
Aug 08 18:23:39 <dos1> TAsn: but e17 has some dbus file manager, you can open directiories in that
Aug 08 18:23:43 <dos1> TAsn: i saw it ;P
Aug 08 18:24:17 <dos1> TAsn: someone even described it on maillist some time ago
Aug 08 18:24:20 <TAsn> dos1, *cough* sucks *cough*
Aug 08 18:24:29 <TAsn> I'm talking about the echo
Aug 08 18:24:32 <TAsn> as for the file manager
Aug 08 18:24:34 <TAsn> I heard about that.
Aug 08 18:24:50 <TAsn> never actually saw it.
Aug 08 18:24:50 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 18:25:04 <F4t> mrmoku, .... "-sh: opkg: not found"
Aug 08 18:25:12 <dos1> F4t: opkg-cli?
Aug 08 18:25:20 <F4t> :-/
Aug 08 18:25:22 <dos1> F4t: which image did you flash?
Aug 08 18:25:24 <F4t> why the change?
Aug 08 18:25:32 <F4t> the newest lite image
Aug 08 18:25:39 <dos1> F4t: from today?
Aug 08 18:25:47 <F4t> shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 08 18:25:58 <dos1> mrmoku: why there is no opkg symlink? ;x
Aug 08 18:26:00 <TAsn> opkg-cl
Aug 08 18:26:12 <TAsn> dos1, it's a known issue.
Aug 08 18:26:17 <dos1> TAsn: it was always opkg-cli, with symlink
Aug 08 18:26:17 <TAsn> not a deal breaker though.
Aug 08 18:26:17 <F4t> :-/
Aug 08 18:26:27 <TAsn> opkg-cl with symlink
Aug 08 18:26:40 <mrmoku> dos1, no idea why
Aug 08 18:26:41 <TAsn> yes I know.
Aug 08 18:26:41 <TAsn> now idea what happened.
Aug 08 18:26:43 <dos1> F4t: ln -s /usr/bin/opkg /usr/bin/opkg-cli
Aug 08 18:27:06 <F4t> dos1, ye i know that, just saying this for the bug report on the amazing new test image
Aug 08 18:27:08 <F4t> :D
Aug 08 18:27:27 <F4t> btw, you mean, ln -s /usr/bin/opkg-cl /usr/bin/opkg
Aug 08 18:27:39 <dos1> oh, yed
Aug 08 18:27:42 <dos1> yes*
Aug 08 18:28:02 <Q-Master> TAsn: does libphoneui understand multiple phones per contact?
Aug 08 18:28:12 <dos1> Q-Master: WTF?
Aug 08 18:28:34 <dos1> Q-Master: libphoneui = libframeworkd-phonegui reborned
Aug 08 18:28:55 <dos1> Q-Master: we will write libphone-ui-efl, which will be new libframeworkd-phonegui-efl
Aug 08 18:29:08 <dos1> Q-Master: with new design and opimd support "by design"
Aug 08 18:29:32 <Q-Master> doh
Aug 08 18:29:43 <TAsn> Q-Master, of course.
Aug 08 18:29:56 <F4t> how come the image from today already has upgradable packages in repo?
Aug 08 18:30:06 <TAsn> (in my head as libphoneui doesn't exist yet)
Aug 08 18:30:23 <dos1> F4t: which packages?
Aug 08 18:30:32 <TAsn> F4t, we are fast.
Aug 08 18:30:48 <TAsn> dos1, shr-settings ;]
Aug 08 18:30:54 <F4t> http://pastebin.com/m1a9649f3
Aug 08 18:30:56 <dos1> F4t: yup, there was shr-settings changes after image generation ;P
Aug 08 18:30:58 <TAsn> (maybe?)
Aug 08 18:31:03 <F4t> ye
Aug 08 18:31:05 <TAsn> F4t, though it makes sense
Aug 08 18:31:23 <TAsn> as ppl update recipes all the time
Aug 08 18:32:05 <F4t> settings in missing an icon after upgrade
Aug 08 18:32:10 <dos1> F4t: it even it's newest version (in repo)
Aug 08 18:32:19 <dos1> F4t: that's normal, restart is fixing that ;P
Aug 08 18:32:34 <dos1> F4t: version in repo is 4 commits old ;D
Aug 08 18:32:38 <F4t> restart is fixing a missing icon after an update? what are we running here windows?
Aug 08 18:32:49 <TAsn> F4t, lol ++.
Aug 08 18:32:50 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07illume-keyboards * rcc358509ec50 10/french/Azerty.png: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:illume-keyboards.git
Aug 08 18:32:56 <TAsn> dos1, although that's normal, this is plain bad!
Aug 08 18:32:57 <dos1> F4t: killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 08 18:33:00 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07illume-keyboards * r6a06550a9925 10/german/ (German.kbd German.png keyboard.kbd keyboard.png): german: fix filenames
Aug 08 18:33:02 <dos1> F4t: and no restart ;P
Aug 08 18:33:08 <dos1> TAsn: that's some bug in enlightenment ;p
Aug 08 18:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: no uImage of   08-Aug-2009 16:49 ???
Aug 08 18:33:23 <TAsn> dos1, don't bullshit me, I know the reason for that...
Aug 08 18:33:24 <mrmoku> ERROR: '/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/freesmartphone/libeflvala_git.bb' failed
Aug 08 18:33:28 <mrmoku> ERROR: '/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/e17/e-tasks_svn.bb' failed
Aug 08 18:33:31 <mrmoku> ERROR: '/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-launcher_svn.bb' failed
Aug 08 18:33:35 <mrmoku> are the only errors for the feed :)
Aug 08 18:33:38 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, because the kernel did not change
Aug 08 18:33:43 <TAsn> the images get copied after the files
Aug 08 18:33:54 <TAsn> (desktop files)
Aug 08 18:33:58 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: we need a symlink then
Aug 08 18:34:03 <TAsn> and that's why e refresh the cache too late or something
Aug 08 18:34:04 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 18:34:06 <dos1> TAsn: hmm
Aug 08 18:34:07 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, why should we?
Aug 08 18:34:09 <TAsn> (a wild guess)
Aug 08 18:34:09 <dos1> how to change that? :P
Aug 08 18:34:34 <TAsn> maybe a postint change of a desktop file can fix that.
Aug 08 18:34:43 <TAsn> fate, did you restart yet+
Aug 08 18:34:43 <F4t> TAsn, that means "touch /usr/share/applications/shr-settings.desktop" should work and much faster the HUP
Aug 08 18:34:46 <TAsn> ?
Aug 08 18:34:46 <TAsn> if not
Aug 08 18:34:48 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: to be conformant with common sense recommendation to use kernel and / of same date
Aug 08 18:34:48 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: just use µSD with kernel included :P
Aug 08 18:35:03 <TAsn> F4t, touch won't work
Aug 08 18:35:07 <F4t> why?
Aug 08 18:35:09 <TAsn> as e listens to changes
Aug 08 18:35:20 <TAsn> for some reason touch won't triger it
Aug 08 18:35:30 <TAsn> but try to edit (adding a space) and save
Aug 08 18:35:33 <TAsn> that should do the trick
Aug 08 18:35:35 <TAsn> please verify.
Aug 08 18:35:47 <F4t> dont wanna, i verified the HUP, it works
Aug 08 18:35:55 <TAsn> F4t, okie.
Aug 08 18:35:59 <TAsn> I know HUP works...
Aug 08 18:36:09 <TAsn> dos1, please force-reinstsall and check my suggestion.
Aug 08 18:36:16 <F4t> now why in the 7 hells do we still include connmand-plugin-loopback?
Aug 08 18:36:16 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: U bet I will :-P Nevertheless
Aug 08 18:36:29 <F4t> connman-plugin-loopback*
Aug 08 18:37:08 <Q-Master> dos1: I'll try to help
Aug 08 18:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: create a new dummy file and delete. Better than editing existing desktop files
Aug 08 18:38:25 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, same thing.
Aug 08 18:38:31 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 18:38:46 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, we should create a
Aug 08 18:38:46 <TAsn> bug.desktop
Aug 08 18:38:46 <TAsn> file
Aug 08 18:38:48 <TAsn> oh nvm
Aug 08 18:38:53 <TAsn> yeah just create and remove
Aug 08 18:38:56 <TAsn> touch and rm.
Aug 08 18:38:57 <TAsn> ;\
Aug 08 18:39:06 <TAsn> or
Aug 08 18:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I bet U think different once your device choked while the desktop file was open for edit
Aug 08 18:39:39 <TAsn> just suggest e to use notify on /usr/share/pixmaps as well...
Aug 08 18:39:43 <TAsn> or even better
Aug 08 18:39:52 <TAsn> an update-desktop app
Aug 08 18:39:53 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 18:40:09 <mrmoku> TAsn, still waiting for the keyboard authors...
Aug 08 18:40:16 <mrmoku> I need them for the recipes
Aug 08 18:40:56 <DocScrutinizer> try a symlink from destop dir dummy.desktop to /usr/share/pixmaps/*
Aug 08 18:41:03 <dos1> TAsn:
Aug 08 18:41:10 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rd1d5f96d67e0 10/setup.py: [setup.py] bump version and try to fix icon issue
Aug 08 18:41:38 <TAsn> dos1, let's hope that'll work.
Aug 08 18:41:52 <DocScrutinizer> or a hardlink for that particular purpose
Aug 08 18:42:02 <TAsn> mrmoku, had no idea you are waiting
Aug 08 18:42:07 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 18:42:14 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, YUCK! :)
Aug 08 18:42:18 <dos1> TAsn: it won't
Aug 08 18:42:22 <dos1> TAsn: due to:
Aug 08 18:42:32 <TAsn> mrmoku, sec, creating.
Aug 08 18:42:49 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r333475c19cce 10/setup.py: [setup.py] fix typo
Aug 08 18:42:54 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 18:43:10 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 18:43:47 <LowMemory> I'm stuck with "opkg: fork failed" error each time I try to upgrade shr (not lite) image...
Aug 08 18:44:03 <dos1> LowMemory: upgrade opkg
Aug 08 18:44:06 <dos1> it's already fixed
Aug 08 18:44:09 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Aug 08 18:44:14 <TAsn> just a readme?
Aug 08 18:44:38 <LowMemory> dos1: I'll try that
Aug 08 18:44:50 <dos1> LowMemory: and libopkg0 of course
Aug 08 18:44:54 <dos1> but that should be obvious :P
Aug 08 18:45:03 <F4t> is there a way we can shrink the font size of the text under the icons?
Aug 08 18:45:16 <F4t> since any word longer then five characters gets shortened...
Aug 08 18:45:34 <LowMemory> dos1: ok, as soon as opkg is upgraded :-)
Aug 08 18:45:36 <mrmoku> TAsn, a README would be fine
Aug 08 18:45:46 <mrmoku> (and no, I won't install it :P)
Aug 08 18:45:47 <dos1> F4t: edit theme
Aug 08 18:45:59 <F4t> dos1, if i knew how i wont be asking here :D
Aug 08 18:46:05 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: dos1: loool
Aug 08 18:46:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm glad you won't :)
Aug 08 18:47:53 <LowMemory> dos1: now I can rerun "opkg upgrade" ?
Aug 08 18:49:12 <LowMemory> dos1: did you had the exact same error just now ? (I see DocScrutinizer smiling over there) :-)
Aug 08 18:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> I simply know the face of dos1 when this question arises the millionth time. And if you're "lucky" upgrading opkg before libopkg will fuck up your system fubar
Aug 08 18:51:32 <LowMemory> WTF ??
Aug 08 18:51:59 <LowMemory> it seems that opkg upgrade restarted without error...for now
Aug 08 18:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> new opkg needs libopkg0, and it will fail to install it if it's missing 
Aug 08 18:52:23 <F4t> btw, is remoko finally working with shr?
Aug 08 18:53:05 <DocScrutinizer> as without libopkg opkg can't install anything
Aug 08 18:53:38 <DocScrutinizer> ergo can't install a missing libopkg0
Aug 08 18:54:34 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer: well, seems to me that all went well: http://pastebin.org/7491
Aug 08 18:55:00 <DocScrutinizer> so you were not "lucky" ;-)
Aug 08 18:55:11 <LowMemory> wait and see =)
Aug 08 18:55:34 * LowMemory cross his fingers
Aug 08 18:56:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, enjoy.
Aug 08 18:56:32 <TAsn> not a lot of info
Aug 08 18:57:07 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r156d2efa68c7 10/german/ (German.kbd German.png keyboard.kbd keyboard.png): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/illume-keyboards
Aug 08 18:57:07 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * rcd8e37bc2da2 10/ (15 files in 11 dirs): Added a lot of readmes and the russian and the russian-terminal keyboards
Aug 08 18:57:13 <LowMemory> maybe should the install page be updated with "opkg upgrade libopkg0 && opkg upgrade opkg" before plain "opkg upgrade" ?
Aug 08 18:57:16 <TAsn> enjoy ;)
Aug 08 18:57:28 <TAsn> actually
Aug 08 18:57:34 <TAsn> opkg install opkg
Aug 08 18:57:45 <TAsn> should handle the upgrading of libopkg just fine.
Aug 08 18:58:02 <LowMemory> ah ok
Aug 08 18:58:22 <mrmoku> TAsn, danish keyboard has Default.kbd :(
Aug 08 18:59:00 <mrmoku> TAsn, and did you check that the icon names and occurance in kbd are in sync?
Aug 08 18:59:02 <LowMemory> going on with noob question: after a fresh install, what is the screen "Applications" for ?
Aug 08 18:59:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, I didn't change icon names
Aug 08 18:59:16 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: but basically yes, I agree
Aug 08 18:59:18 <TAsn> so they should be
Aug 08 18:59:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, and forgot to fix danish
Aug 08 18:59:22 <TAsn> sec.
Aug 08 18:59:37 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 18:59:47 <TAsn> mrmoku, please notice
Aug 08 18:59:50 <TAsn> that some include dicts
Aug 08 18:59:55 <mrmoku> saw that
Aug 08 19:00:01 <mrmoku> and dislike it :P
Aug 08 19:00:33 <mrmoku> TAsn, btw... we need a way to determine the default kbd
Aug 08 19:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: AIUI it's to config which apps show up in illume's starter applet
Aug 08 19:00:38 <mrmoku> is it always Default.kbd?
Aug 08 19:00:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye.
Aug 08 19:00:55 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r01b3d2a1c69b 10/danish/ (Danish.kbd Default.kbd): renamed: Default.kbd -> Danish.kbd
Aug 08 19:00:57 <TAsn> and should stay with the default
Aug 08 19:01:03 <TAsn> there's nothing I can do about it
Aug 08 19:01:05 <TAsn> in a sane way.
Aug 08 19:01:35 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer:starter applet is desktop, right ?
Aug 08 19:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> nope, starter applet is a (disabled by default) applet in illume bar that opens a menu
Aug 08 19:02:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, anything else?
Aug 08 19:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> (maybe it's called differently, dunno)
Aug 08 19:02:53 <mrmoku> TAsn, will tell you as it comes up
Aug 08 19:03:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool ;)
Aug 08 19:03:33 * TAsn is thinking about callrec as well...
Aug 08 19:03:48 <LowMemory> because even if I only check 2 applications there, all appear on desktop !?
Aug 08 19:05:14 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer: sorry, didn't read your last say... :$
Aug 08 19:06:46 <Sharwin_F> LowMemory, if you ant to configure it another time, just remove ~/.e dir
Aug 08 19:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: illume-settings(wrench), extensions, gadgets ->launch
Aug 08 19:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: will enable a round thingy in top-bar to open a menu
Aug 08 19:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: AIUI the first-boot apps screen is about which apps show up in this menu
Aug 08 19:08:38 <LowMemory> DocScrutinizer: Sharwin_F: ok got it
Aug 08 19:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> LowMemory: s/launch/start/
Aug 08 19:09:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, I suggest
Aug 08 19:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> wooooooot FULL IMAGE
Aug 08 19:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> :-)))))
Aug 08 19:11:59 <dos1> TAsn: thanks for idea of drawing sketches
Aug 08 19:12:21 <dos1> TAsn: i have few nice concepts how to change opimd-utils gui to be better ;)
Aug 08 19:12:42 <TAsn> that you build the testing image now
Aug 08 19:12:42 <TAsn> and don't sync it
Aug 08 19:12:42 <TAsn> so we'll have it ready
Aug 08 19:12:42 <TAsn> just in case something will happen to the buildhost
Aug 08 19:12:43 <TAsn> what do you say?:)
Aug 08 19:13:34 <dos1> (and i'm for opimd-utils gui variation in libphone-ui-efl :P)
Aug 08 19:13:37 <LowMemory> does this mean my ongoing upgrade is pointless ? :-S
Aug 08 19:14:10 <TAsn> dos1, cool :)
Aug 08 19:14:23 <LowMemory> it must be faster to download image and flash it...
Aug 08 19:15:15 * mrmoku busy doing keyboard bbs
Aug 08 19:15:17 * LowMemory downloading shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 :D
Aug 08 19:15:28 <TAsn> just don't forget to send it though ;)
Aug 08 19:19:56 * LowMemory is flashing image to neo...getting close ;-)
Aug 08 19:22:57 <dos1> TAsn: ok, i have notifier, contacts and contact view
Aug 08 19:23:23 <dos1> TAsn: i can describe dialer (no need to draw), and then we have to think about messages and phonelog
Aug 08 19:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: TAsn what u r talking bout?
Aug 08 19:24:39 <dos1> ok, i go to home to scan it ;)
Aug 08 19:24:48 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: GUI sketches
Aug 08 19:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, kinda user manual? :-)
Aug 08 19:25:14 <dos1|away> no, project of new UI
Aug 08 19:25:18 <dos1|away> ok, bbl
Aug 08 19:25:28 <TAsn> oops mrmoku don't build callrec yet ;)
Aug 08 19:28:42 <mrmoku> TAsn, hah... TOO LATE :P
Aug 08 19:30:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, shit, so wait for another upgrade soon ;)
Aug 08 19:36:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, for some reason the patch files don't get copied ;\
Aug 08 19:37:23 <TAsn> and I fixed other stuff as well...
Aug 08 19:37:24 <TAsn> hm..
Aug 08 19:46:18 <LowMemory> is opkg install opkg still needed with today's full image ? :-)
Aug 08 19:48:44 <mrmoku> LowMemory, no
Aug 08 19:48:59 <LowMemory> ok, cool !
Aug 08 19:49:08 <rhkfin> Nick of OpenBmap here? onen not?
Aug 08 19:49:39 <mrmoku> rhkfin, guess onen is somehow on vacation or otherwise absent
Aug 08 19:49:49 <mrmoku> did not see him for some days now
Aug 08 19:50:23 <rhkfin> mrmoku: ok. I've sent him some e-mails and he replied so maybe he's having an irc-break.
Aug 08 19:50:42 <mrmoku> yup, to get back some sanity :P
Aug 08 19:50:53 <LowMemory> still, it seems that double reboot is needed: first takes more than 5 min, with error msg (at this point I took battery out), second to have illume screens and make a "depmod -a" (about 1'49) and now is the *real* boot!
Aug 08 19:51:34 <mrmoku> LowMemory, hmm... with the lite image everything worked nicely on first boot
Aug 08 19:51:46 <mrmoku> it is doing a opkg-cl configure on first boot
Aug 08 19:51:58 <mrmoku> if you have a lot of packages (like in the full image) it might take some time
Aug 08 19:52:14 <LowMemory> mrmoku: yep, full image here.
Aug 08 19:52:21 <LowMemory> 3rd boot took about 2'30
Aug 08 19:52:42 <LowMemory> now, I have to make "opkg update" then "opkg upgrade", right ?
Aug 08 19:53:12 <LowMemory> (about 17 apps on desktop, though)
Aug 08 19:53:16 <mrmoku> LowMemory, should not be needed as its a fresh image
Aug 08 19:53:23 <mrmoku> nothing to update yet
Aug 08 19:53:42 <LowMemory> ok, then "opkg update" only
Aug 08 19:54:00 <LowMemory> ?
Aug 08 19:55:01 <LowMemory> well, symlink to opkg-cl before ! ^^
Aug 08 19:57:20 <LowMemory> mkmoku: seems that there were commits outside release: http://pastebin.org/7501
Aug 08 19:57:38 <dos1> mrmoku: is depmod -a still needed? ;x
Aug 08 19:57:48 <dos1> TAsn: i have sketches ;P
Aug 08 19:57:58 <dos1> TAsn: nothing special, but that's my POV
Aug 08 19:58:21 <TAsn> stosb.com
Aug 08 19:58:27 <dos1> TAsn: we should also look at that mockups which were created (Ainulindale has links)
Aug 08 19:58:28 <TAsn> tom@stosb.com
Aug 08 19:58:28 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 19:58:39 <dos1> at merge interesting ideas
Aug 08 19:58:46 <TAsn> dos1, Ainulindale are you alive?
Aug 08 19:58:54 <TAsn> dos1, I'll review your sketches
Aug 08 19:59:02 <dos1> TAsn: a) you send your email to publicly logged chan
Aug 08 19:59:02 <TAsn> maybe suggest stuff of my own
Aug 08 19:59:13 <dos1> TAsn: b) i'll upload it to my server ;)
Aug 08 19:59:25 <TAsn> will send to shr-user/blog
Aug 08 19:59:36 <TAsn> and ask them to respond/suggest more ideas
Aug 08 19:59:47 <TAsn> what do you think?
Aug 08 20:00:32 <dos1> TAsn: i'm fine with it
Aug 08 20:00:47 <dos1> TAsn: i'm open for suggestions ;)
Aug 08 20:01:24 <TAsn> cool :)
Aug 08 20:02:25 <TAsn> dos1, and I'm open for links :)
Aug 08 20:04:13 <mrmoku> LowMemory, hehe, yep
Aug 08 20:04:51 <mrmoku> TAsn, what about callrec now? :P
Aug 08 20:06:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, committed the new bb, please copy/fix it (modified the postinst)
Aug 08 20:06:49 <TAsn> thanks a lot
Aug 08 20:06:49 <TAsn> and then rebuild it of course
Aug 08 20:06:49 <TAsn> (callrec)
Aug 08 20:06:55 <TAsn> how's the keyboards bbs are going on?
Aug 08 20:06:58 <TAsn> how are*
Aug 08 20:07:12 <mrmoku> will build them now... was just waiting for callrec :P
Aug 08 20:08:08 <mrmoku> TAsn, svn shows no update for the bb
Aug 08 20:08:32 <mrmoku> ahh nvm
Aug 08 20:08:48 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 20:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> so ok now, *anybody* here able to help me out? 
Aug 08 20:09:27 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: now, we don't like you
Aug 08 20:09:29 <dos1> j/k ;)
Aug 08 20:09:34 <dos1> what's the problem?
Aug 08 20:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> Q: is windows accepting partitioned usb-sticks? at least if 1. partition is VFAT?
Aug 08 20:09:57 <LowMemory> mrmoku: going with installation: localedata and localtime...then themes and tweaks !
Aug 08 20:10:01 <dos1> A: Yes
Aug 08 20:10:04 <LowMemory> s/going/going on
Aug 08 20:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> actually my fab-formatted uSD (-stick ;-) is floppy format
Aug 08 20:10:21 <dos1> (at last it was accepting mine)
Aug 08 20:10:28 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, windows takes first partition it finds and if its fat it works
Aug 08 20:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> ok, fine :-) many thanks
Aug 08 20:10:56 <dos1> F4t: i think it works with all fat partitions, not only first
Aug 08 20:11:22 <dos1> s/i think/i'm sure/
Aug 08 20:11:22 <F4t> dos1, only first, windows cant understand one usb device with more then  one parition
Aug 08 20:11:22 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: F4t: i'm sure it works with all fat partitions, not only first
Aug 08 20:11:38 <dos1> but i don't know if it works with first ext3 and second fat
Aug 08 20:11:50 <F4t> dos1, im not sure about that
Aug 08 20:11:53 <dos1> F4t: uh, strange, it always worked for me
Aug 08 20:11:57 <dos1> ;P
Aug 08 20:12:00 <DocScrutinizer> funny detail: cfdisk borks on invocation. Error: ""FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder""
Aug 08 20:12:01 <F4t> i think it doesnt
Aug 08 20:12:04 <dos1> (when i was using windows)
Aug 08 20:12:43 <dos1> F4t: but what about usb hard drives?
Aug 08 20:12:54 <dos1> F4t: i'm really more than sure they works with few partitions
Aug 08 20:13:25 <dos1> oh, usb hard drives even work with first ext3 and some later fat/ntfs ;)
Aug 08 20:13:29 <dos1> as mine was
Aug 08 20:13:44 <dos1> so i think it behaves the same with pendrives/SD cards
Aug 08 20:14:09 <dos1> but it with SD cards it may depend on reader
Aug 08 20:14:27 <lindi-> dos1: what may depend on reader?
Aug 08 20:14:28 <dos1> some of readers have "disk" always present
Aug 08 20:14:38 <dos1> lindi-: support of few partitions in windows on sd card
Aug 08 20:14:47 <dos1> but cheap usb sd-reader should work ;P
Aug 08 20:14:49 <lindi-> dos1: windows?
Aug 08 20:14:54 <F4t> dos1, usb stick is different from a usb harddrive
Aug 08 20:14:55 <dos1> lindi-: yes
Aug 08 20:14:58 <lindi-> dos1: what's that? ;)
Aug 08 20:15:15 <lindi-> and why is it a topic on devel? ;)
Aug 08 20:15:19 <dos1> lindi-: i almost forgot, but then DocScrutinizer reminded me ;P
Aug 08 20:15:21 <DocScrutinizer> my plan is to have two partitions on my uSD: 1.vfat 15GB, 2.ext3 1GB.  --  have kernel file on first partition, / on ext3 partition. **use vfat partition as universal data carrier with a uSD-USBstick
Aug 08 20:15:33 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i'm sure it'll work
Aug 08 20:16:23 <dos1> but windows is windows is windows, it can have strange problems without any reason ;)
Aug 08 20:16:34 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: but similar configuration worked for me
Aug 08 20:17:05 <schasch> hello ....why does actually the .jffs2 from a gta02 not run on gta01?    ....only because glamo or some kind of CPU-recognition in the rootfs (s3c2410 <> s3c2442)   ?
Aug 08 20:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> k, thanks guys. So let's start wreck the expensive plastic sniplet ;-P
Aug 08 20:18:19 <dos1> schasch: different kernel .config, different configuration and (but i'm not sure) different way to store data in NAND
Aug 08 20:18:35 * TAsn is waiting for mrmoku's keyboards... :)
Aug 08 20:19:47 <schasch> dos1: thanks.... 
Aug 08 20:20:06 <schasch> for rootfs kernel -config is impoortant?
Aug 08 20:20:11 <mrmoku> F4t, lots of new connman stuff :P
Aug 08 20:20:18 * mrmoku curious if mokonnect still works ;)
Aug 08 20:20:30 <dos1> schasch: gta02 rootfs has gta02 kernel modules
Aug 08 20:20:34 <F4t> mrmoku, i wonder what did he change now :-/
Aug 08 20:20:40 <dos1> and the same with gta01
Aug 08 20:21:49 <schasch> dos1: aha.... thoes have not the same modules?  bit a apps(bin)  runs on both?
Aug 08 20:21:50 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: which is the correct partition type (hex) for a 15MB vfat partition?
Aug 08 20:22:01 <schasch> s/bit/but
Aug 08 20:22:30 <dos1> schasch: yes, but apps also can have different configuration
Aug 08 20:23:08 <dos1> like frameworkd
Aug 08 20:23:18 <schasch> dos1:hmm...
Aug 08 20:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> err
Aug 08 20:23:22 * tasn3 hates his isp
Aug 08 20:23:28 <tasn3> just in case you did'nt hear
Aug 08 20:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: which is the correct partition type (hex) for a 15GB vfat partition?
Aug 08 20:23:39 * tasn3 is waiting for mrmoku's keyboard packages :){
Aug 08 20:24:01 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: dunno, cfdisk should list partition types
Aug 08 20:24:08 <dos1> some FAT16/32 should be ok
Aug 08 20:24:34 <DocScrutinizer> dos1:  0C W95 FAT32 (LBA) ??
Aug 08 20:24:43 <dos1> should be ok
Aug 08 20:24:49 <DocScrutinizer> k, thnx
Aug 08 20:27:26 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: i hope your ISP will allow you to look at http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/sketches/ ;)
Aug 08 20:27:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> thanks.
Aug 08 20:27:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:27:45 <TAsn-hates-isp> my isp likes pictures
Aug 08 20:27:47 <TAsn-hates-isp> and hates irc
Aug 08 20:27:57 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, if you want them faster... sponsor a new buildhost :P
Aug 08 20:28:15 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: :)
Aug 08 20:28:25 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: hehe that's barely readable :)
Aug 08 20:28:31 <mrmoku> saw it building the hebrew one...
Aug 08 20:28:33 <dos1> hehe ;D
Aug 08 20:29:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re7508c9f59d3 10/libfsobasics/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: logger: separate keyfile group to read configuration from from domain
Aug 08 20:29:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: what about AUX actions in contact list?
Aug 08 20:29:21 <dos1> i can write text in ASCII form ;)
Aug 08 20:29:23 <TAsn-hates-isp> like maybe sending sms?
Aug 08 20:29:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: please do :)
Aug 08 20:29:38 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: in contact list?
Aug 08 20:29:42 <TAsn-hates-isp> yes
Aug 08 20:29:44 <TAsn-hates-isp> from contact list
Aug 08 20:29:47 <TAsn-hates-isp> quick send sms
Aug 08 20:29:55 <TAsn-hates-isp> and what about open?
Aug 08 20:30:00 <TAsn-hates-isp> I don't think a double-tap is nice
Aug 08 20:30:08 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: noo, single-tap
Aug 08 20:30:22 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: won't that annoy when scrolling?
Aug 08 20:30:39 <dos1> i have that in opimd-utils, and it isn't annoying
Aug 08 20:30:44 <TAsn-hates-isp> and we still need messages, phonelog, dialer and active calls.
Aug 08 20:30:45 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:30:46 <schasch> got modified (i am testing)   a kernel for s3c2410.....   INIT 2.86 at booting is done.... then it crashed on  "/sbin/udevadm"   ...can I debug thisin /etc/init.d/udev ?
Aug 08 20:30:48 <dos1> elementary does it quite good ;)
Aug 08 20:30:52 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: cool.
Aug 08 20:31:04 <TAsn-hates-isp> I actually like my phonelog design
Aug 08 20:31:13 <schasch> "/sbin/udevadm trigger"
Aug 08 20:31:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> I think the button at the bottom should change
Aug 08 20:31:23 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: in phonelog?
Aug 08 20:31:25 <TAsn-hates-isp> to the hover that elementary allows
Aug 08 20:31:32 <dos1> yup
Aug 08 20:31:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> but other than that
Aug 08 20:31:41 <TAsn-hates-isp> I like the icons
Aug 08 20:31:42 <TAsn-hates-isp> design
Aug 08 20:31:43 <TAsn-hates-isp> and features
Aug 08 20:31:54 <TAsn-hates-isp> (well I guess that's because I chaned everything I didn't like)
Aug 08 20:31:54 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: and to display "save contact" only when contact isn't saved ;P
Aug 08 20:32:02 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: duh.
Aug 08 20:32:02 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:32:07 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: and that's all for me too ;)
Aug 08 20:32:15 <TAsn-hates-isp> it should always be displayed
Aug 08 20:32:18 <TAsn-hates-isp> but disabled
Aug 08 20:32:20 * TAsn-hates-isp thinks
Aug 08 20:32:24 <dos1> yup
Aug 08 20:32:29 <dos1> that's also good
Aug 08 20:32:36 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: will save time 
Aug 08 20:32:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> and CPU
Aug 08 20:32:40 <TAsn-hates-isp> and hassle
Aug 08 20:32:41 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:32:51 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: please convert to tetx
Aug 08 20:32:53 <TAsn-hates-isp> I'll finish my hw
Aug 08 20:32:59 <TAsn-hates-isp> and prepare some of my own.
Aug 08 20:32:59 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:33:39 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: well, the most important are drawings ;)
Aug 08 20:33:48 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: i'll just write txt file with all texts
Aug 08 20:34:04 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: okie :)
Aug 08 20:34:15 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: btw
Aug 08 20:34:21 <TAsn-hates-isp> if you think opimd-utils is good
Aug 08 20:34:24 <TAsn-hates-isp> maybe just screenshot that
Aug 08 20:34:24 <dos1> when we'll have some more ideas, comments and opinions, i'll maybe make some real mockup in gimp :P
Aug 08 20:34:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: cool :)
Aug 08 20:34:43 <TAsn-hates-isp> I'll mockup mine in gtk
Aug 08 20:34:48 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: from opimd-utils only notifier is good in actual state (with one change)
Aug 08 20:34:51 <TAsn-hates-isp> though I intend it to be vala
Aug 08 20:34:56 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, nice app blueman
Aug 08 20:34:57 <TAsn-hates-isp> it's just that glade editor is soo easy :)
Aug 08 20:35:05 <TAsn-hates-isp> *s/vala/efl/
Aug 08 20:35:07 <TAsn-hates-isp> bah ;)
Aug 08 20:35:19 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: the fullscreen change? :)
Aug 08 20:35:22 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: is it? ;)
Aug 08 20:35:26 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: it's gui :s
Aug 08 20:35:32 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 20:35:36 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: currently i'm _very_ close to make bluez4 networking work.
Aug 08 20:35:37 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: no, that in configuration options :P
Aug 08 20:36:00 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, and knowing you you will write a nice howto afterwards :D
Aug 08 20:36:03 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: opimd-contacts is also close to what i want, but only close :P
Aug 08 20:36:14 <dos1> more changes needed
Aug 08 20:36:29 <TAsn-hates-isp> sweet.
Aug 08 20:36:29 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: so nice "end-users" will be unable to understand it :-/
Aug 08 20:36:46 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, I will :)
Aug 08 20:38:40 * mrmoku --> shower
Aug 08 20:40:32 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: done?
Aug 08 20:40:35 <TAsn-hates-isp> (seems so)
Aug 08 20:41:10 <TAsn-hates-isp> although stated failed I mean.
Aug 08 20:41:45 <F4t> well, mokonnect still works/
Aug 08 20:41:46 <F4t> ?
Aug 08 20:41:47 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/text.txt
Aug 08 20:41:50 <TAsn-hates-isp> it just needs a sync :)
Aug 08 20:42:14 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: i'll make html page, with opimd-utils screens
Aug 08 20:42:27 <dos1> to which i'm referring
Aug 08 20:42:28 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: just create a wiki page!
Aug 08 20:42:31 <TAsn-hates-isp> in shr wiki
Aug 08 20:42:31 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:42:35 <dos1> hmm
Aug 08 20:42:37 <dos1> ok
Aug 08 20:42:37 <TAsn-hates-isp> will save me a lot of work
Aug 08 20:42:38 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 20:42:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:42:40 <TAsn-hates-isp> thanks.
Aug 08 20:43:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/mockup.png
Aug 08 20:43:18 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: what happened to that?
Aug 08 20:43:21 <TAsn-hates-isp> looks nice!
Aug 08 20:43:41 <TAsn-hates-isp> (if it can populate like the illume keyboard, i.e make windows redraw)
Aug 08 20:43:47 <TAsn-hates-isp> though I really jsut like fullscreen :)
Aug 08 20:45:47 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: raster said it can't be done with illume now ;p
Aug 08 20:46:04 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: shit :)
Aug 08 20:51:00 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, building index now
Aug 08 20:51:17 * TAsn-hates-isp is amazingly annoying.
Aug 08 20:51:20 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: :)
Aug 08 20:51:27 <TAsn-hates-isp> and mrmoku is amazingly patient.
Aug 08 20:51:53 * mrmoku sees no need to agitate himself :P
Aug 08 20:53:20 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, go and get your keyboard
Aug 08 20:53:27 * mrmoku hopes it actually works too :P
Aug 08 20:53:52 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: added the HUP fix?
Aug 08 20:54:21 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, no, as dos1 strongly objected
Aug 08 20:54:28 <dos1> ;D
Aug 08 20:54:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: at least a notice? :)
Aug 08 20:54:42 <TAsn-hates-isp> (nice echo)
Aug 08 20:54:46 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, nop
Aug 08 20:55:08 <mrmoku> we should talk raster into some way to trigger a keyboard reload via enlightenment-remote or something like that
Aug 08 20:55:19 <TAsn-hates-isp> aye.
Aug 08 20:56:02 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp: (testing) will fix the revs tomorrow and start a build from scratch on my laptop
Aug 08 20:56:17 <mrmoku> if that works... will do the same on the buildhost then
Aug 08 20:56:42 <mrmoku> this way we might have a testing-candidate to test on monday/tuesday
Aug 08 20:57:18 <dos1> mrmoku: with opkg->opkg-cli fixed? ;P
Aug 08 20:57:21 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 20:57:44 <mrmoku> dos1, oh... upgrade broke the settings icon?
Aug 08 20:58:19 <dos1> mrmoku: i commited fix for that some time ago
Aug 08 20:58:22 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: cool, works :)
Aug 08 20:58:26 <TAsn-hates-isp> sent a mail to shr-user
Aug 08 20:58:28 <dos1> mrmoku: build newest version
Aug 08 20:58:30 <dos1> ;D
Aug 08 20:58:38 <mrmoku> dos1, I hate you :P
Aug 08 21:02:54 <dos1> mrmoku: i know ;)
Aug 08 21:03:24 <soltys> hah :D
Aug 08 21:08:05 <F4t> i was wondring, did you guys ever see a phone that its main screen is list of applications?
Aug 08 21:08:36 <[Rui]> I think that missing ELM_FINGER_SIZE is not the only libelm bug on shr-u
Aug 08 21:08:44 <F4t> (besides SHR)
Aug 08 21:08:57 <[Rui]> my app, elmdentica, in total idle, consumes a lot of cpu
Aug 08 21:09:00 <dos1> F4t: yes. ASU ;D
Aug 08 21:09:09 <[Rui]> the only thing that isn't really idle is libelm's loop
Aug 08 21:09:18 <F4t> dos1, how about non openmoko device?
Aug 08 21:09:36 <dos1> F4t: PDAs, yes
Aug 08 21:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> mokonnect looks soooooo good
Aug 08 21:09:45 <[Rui]> does anyone else experience something similar?
Aug 08 21:09:59 <dos1> F4t: but i would like to see something like in 2007.2
Aug 08 21:10:07 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: 
Aug 08 21:10:08 <TAsn-hates-isp> iphone
Aug 08 21:10:19 <F4t> dos1, not even PDAs have applications list as main screen
Aug 08 21:10:26 <F4t> oh right, iphone
Aug 08 21:10:33 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: oh. but that's bad example ;D
Aug 08 21:10:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: I know.
Aug 08 21:10:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 21:10:44 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: actually
Aug 08 21:10:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> I really want to see shr-laurcher
Aug 08 21:10:53 <[Rui]> main screen should probably have "favorites" and a quick popup for the apps list.... 
Aug 08 21:10:56 <TAsn-hates-isp> merged with illume
Aug 08 21:11:10 <F4t> TAsn-hates-isp, shr-launcher is still a bunch of applications as main screen
Aug 08 21:11:11 <TAsn-hates-isp> as I don't think our "home app" should be a different app
Aug 08 21:11:23 <mrmoku> dos1, does shr-settings depend on libfsoframeworkd nowadays?
Aug 08 21:11:30 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: no, there's also a clock
Aug 08 21:11:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> and missed calls
Aug 08 21:11:34 <TAsn-hates-isp> and such ;)
Aug 08 21:11:36 <F4t> i think "home app" should be something widget based
Aug 08 21:11:44 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: I agree.
Aug 08 21:11:45 <dos1> mrmoku: no, only on frameworkd ;x
Aug 08 21:11:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> btw F4t 
Aug 08 21:11:50 <TAsn-hates-isp> android
Aug 08 21:11:53 <TAsn-hates-isp> another example
Aug 08 21:11:54 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 21:12:00 <TAsn-hates-isp> (it's mixed widgets and icons)
Aug 08 21:12:06 <TAsn-hates-isp> but F4t I agree.
Aug 08 21:12:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> though I really think it should be IN illume
Aug 08 21:12:20 <TAsn-hates-isp> and not a different app.
Aug 08 21:12:23 <dos1> we need shr-today, not launcher ;p
Aug 08 21:12:31 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: whatever
Aug 08 21:12:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> meant one of them
Aug 08 21:12:34 <dos1> and integrated with illume
Aug 08 21:12:39 <TAsn-hates-isp> I don't really know the difference :)
Aug 08 21:12:50 <TAsn-hates-isp> I'm actually the worst user shr has
Aug 08 21:12:54 <TAsn-hates-isp> I know nothing about shr
Aug 08 21:13:06 <TAsn-hates-isp> I just recently discovered ffalarms
Aug 08 21:13:06 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: the thing is shr-today doesn't exist ;)
Aug 08 21:13:13 <DocScrutinizer> guess I have to find a windows owner now, to pass him over my uSD-USB stick with SHR 090808 on it and ask to share some mp3 to me
Aug 08 21:13:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: you see? :)
Aug 08 21:13:22 <dos1> ;D
Aug 08 21:13:50 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, finding a windows user is that hard where u live?
Aug 08 21:14:02 <[Rui]> SPAM ALERT
Aug 08 21:14:06 <[Rui]> (4 lines)
Aug 08 21:14:25 <TAsn-hates-isp> ok
Aug 08 21:14:25 <[Rui]> root@om-gta02 ~ $ date ; (sleep 10 && pkill -9 strace) & strace -p 1728 2>&1 | grep -c Timeout ; date
Aug 08 21:14:25 <[Rui]> Sat Aug  8 22:13:35 WEST 2009
Aug 08 21:14:25 <[Rui]> Killed
Aug 08 21:14:25 <[Rui]> 138
Aug 08 21:14:27 <TAsn-hates-isp> hit us!~
Aug 08 21:14:28 <TAsn-hates-isp> ;)
Aug 08 21:14:37 <[Rui]> this is *NOT* normal
Aug 08 21:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, one that actually dares to plug  in a stick and knows how to copy some mp3... yes. ;-)
Aug 08 21:14:59 <[Rui]> 13.8 timeouts (from libelm) per second
Aug 08 21:15:13 <TAsn-hates-isp> DocScrutinizer: what do you need mp3s for?
Aug 08 21:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> to test intone?
Aug 08 21:15:41 <TAsn-hates-isp> oh
Aug 08 21:15:42 <TAsn-hates-isp> okie
Aug 08 21:15:46 <TAsn-hates-isp> because other than that
Aug 08 21:15:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> ogg is the way to go.
Aug 08 21:16:06 <TAsn-hates-isp> btw dos1, I thought about something
Aug 08 21:16:17 <DocScrutinizer> lol, ask windoof users about ogg, to make your day :-P
Aug 08 21:16:24 <TAsn-hates-isp> maybe when we change a ringtone in shr
Aug 08 21:16:28 <TAsn-hates-isp> we should encode it to wav
Aug 08 21:16:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> this way we'll be able to support mp3s as well as other formats :)
Aug 08 21:16:50 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: do you know what ogg is? :)
Aug 08 21:16:56 <[Rui]> who cares about mp3 if someone is eating up your cpu? :)
Aug 08 21:16:59 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn-hates-isp: why do you quote my recommendation? ;-P
Aug 08 21:17:01 <F4t> as in the file format?
Aug 08 21:17:13 <dos1> [Rui]: i didn't notice that with any other apo
Aug 08 21:17:20 <TAsn-hates-isp> DocScrutinizer: windows users know ogg! :)
Aug 08 21:17:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> DocScrutinizer: I had no idea you recommened it, though anyhow, nice idea :)
Aug 08 21:17:41 <F4t> i even know ogv
Aug 08 21:17:43 <TAsn-hates-isp> (thought about it a while back)
Aug 08 21:17:50 <F4t> do linux users know .ram?
Aug 08 21:17:54 <dos1> [Rui]: my elementary apps suck 0.0% CPU when idle ;P
Aug 08 21:17:58 <[Rui]> dos1: you didn't notice the missing ELM_FINGER_SIZE either and thought I was doing something wrong... :)
Aug 08 21:17:59 <TAsn-hates-isp> DocScrutinizer: I take that back <F4t> i even know ogv
Aug 08 21:18:07 <TAsn-hates-isp> he's talking with file suffixes :)
Aug 08 21:18:17 <TAsn-hates-isp> instead of magic bytes :)
Aug 08 21:18:23 <F4t> cafebabe?
Aug 08 21:18:24 <[Rui]> dos1: this didn't happen in Om2009t5
Aug 08 21:18:31 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: :)
Aug 08 21:19:15 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: btw, thanks god I have no idea what ram is  (actually I know what that is, though last time I used it was 10 years ago, watching southpark)
Aug 08 21:19:23 <dos1> [Rui]: but that was me who told you about fingersize ;p
Aug 08 21:19:34 <dos1> [Rui]: and my htop says all the time - opimd-notifier, 0.0%
Aug 08 21:19:38 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah, but you thought I had to set it up! :)
Aug 08 21:19:54 <[Rui]> dos1: could it be a problem with the image from 2009/07/21 ?
Aug 08 21:20:09 <[Rui]> I'd try a more recent one, but I'd need to know what to expect from calls/sms :)
Aug 08 21:20:24 <dos1> [Rui]: i don't think do, we didn't change elementary version for ages
Aug 08 21:20:30 <F4t> android-freerunner mailing list quote: "No or at least no problems like that. I can't make a call but that is only a minor. :-)"
Aug 08 21:20:36 <dos1> [Rui]: and new images should be more stable regarding phone functionality :P
Aug 08 21:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: (mokonnect) I really like that. you considered to include BT-pan as well?
Aug 08 21:21:22 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, yea, it will be added as soon as connman supports it fully, or im pissed off waiting and will implement using bluez
Aug 08 21:21:48 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: or implement it using bluez in connman? :)
Aug 08 21:22:03 <F4t> TAsn-hates-isp, you mean write code for connman?
Aug 08 21:22:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: aye.
Aug 08 21:22:52 <F4t> hmmmm let me think, rely on a crappy software and write dbus in c inside an unfamiliar project, or code dbus in python.... hmmmmmmmmm........
Aug 08 21:22:58 <F4t> u make it a very hard descision
Aug 08 21:23:01 <F4t> :P
Aug 08 21:23:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: is bluez a daemon?
Aug 08 21:23:40 <TAsn-hates-isp> (is that bluetoothd?)
Aug 08 21:23:43 <PaulFertser> TAsn-hates-isp: yes
Aug 08 21:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: how to enter ascii-password for wep?
Aug 08 21:23:45 <F4t> yep, and yep
Aug 08 21:23:46 <TAsn-hates-isp> shit.
Aug 08 21:23:48 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 21:24:02 <PaulFertser> TAsn-hates-isp: also bluez has quite some important parts in kernel.
Aug 08 21:24:15 <TAsn-hates-isp> like what?
Aug 08 21:24:16 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, ascii password? as in non printable characters?
Aug 08 21:24:33 <PaulFertser> TAsn-hates-isp: like plenty of system-level stuff.
Aug 08 21:24:52 <TAsn-hates-isp> :|
Aug 08 21:24:52 <DocScrutinizer> you usually can enter key as hex, as ascii, and sometimes as passphrase
Aug 08 21:25:22 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, it currently onlt supports passphrase i think, whats ascii?
Aug 08 21:25:44 <F4t> it may be possible to do with config editing (if connman supports it)
Aug 08 21:25:53 <[Rui]> dos1: reaaly? more stable in terms of phone? that's nice to know
Aug 08 21:26:19 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, seems to me like ascii == passphrase
Aug 08 21:26:24 <DocScrutinizer> ascii is 1:1 each char one byte as "1" == 0x31
Aug 08 21:27:41 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, so is passphrase
Aug 08 21:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: no, passphrase is of arbitrary length, wereas ascii needs to match the bitlength of key
Aug 08 21:27:55 <[Rui]> dos1: your htop may say that, but I can assure you this didn't happen to me on Om2009t5
Aug 08 21:28:04 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, i dont think wep can have aribtary length keys......
Aug 08 21:28:32 * PaulFertser thinks that it looks like bluez4 requires you to have ipv6 enabled in kernel or else it won't create bnep network devices...  
Aug 08 21:28:37 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: that's exactly the point. for passphrase some hash-algo is used
Aug 08 21:29:17 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, oh, didnt know that, check and see if providing a key with the correct length works, i think it should...
Aug 08 21:29:40 <[Rui]> strace '-c' summary: http://pastebin.com/de3aceb6
Aug 08 21:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> so ascii is the default for now (and only way supported)
Aug 08 21:29:56 <mrmoku> dos1, no new shr-settings today
Aug 08 21:30:14 <mrmoku> libfsoframework does not build due to changes in libfsobasics
Aug 08 21:30:17 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: what about callrec? :)
Aug 08 21:30:26 <TAsn-hates-isp> 0.2.4 :)
Aug 08 21:30:43 <dos1> mickey|bbq!
Aug 08 21:31:09 <TAsn-hates-isp> btw did you guys see the mail in shr-user (or was it devel) about that dude suggesting to drop illume?
Aug 08 21:31:15 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, mayb it works with both? connman has such stuff going on, it can try both methods
Aug 08 21:31:32 <dos1> mrmoku: use bitbake -b path/to/shr-settings_git.bb :P
Aug 08 21:31:36 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, yes. might be
Aug 08 21:31:41 <F4t> DocScrutinizer2, try it
Aug 08 21:31:42 <mrmoku> TAsn-hates-isp, your bb had 0.2.4
Aug 08 21:31:44 <mrmoku> and I built that
Aug 08 21:32:08 <mrmoku> dos1, last thing I will do before going to bed though ;)
Aug 08 21:32:43 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: that's it then :) thanks.
Aug 08 21:34:24 <TAsn-hates-isp> btw
Aug 08 21:34:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1 I'm sending you something you may like to see
Aug 08 21:34:35 <TAsn-hates-isp> (to email)
Aug 08 21:34:35 <[Rui]> what's the difference from ext2 to ubifs ? is ubifs better from an sdcard?
Aug 08 21:34:49 <mrmoku> dos1, ok, have your settings now
Aug 08 21:34:55 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: let's call it a man's work of a day. Great! Well double-eight *must* mean we're lucky - at least according to asian philosophy
Aug 08 21:35:06 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 08 21:35:19 <[Rui]> grats
Aug 08 21:35:21 <[Rui]> :)
Aug 08 21:35:56 <[Rui]> I'm expanding the 8-8 image into an 8gb sandisk sd
Aug 08 21:36:36 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: sent.
Aug 08 21:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> rui: 16GB here ;-) Well, actually a 1GB partition on a 16-uSD
Aug 08 21:37:08 * mrmoku got no mail
Aug 08 21:37:23 <mrmoku> dos1, will read your mail tomorrow :P
Aug 08 21:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> but 8GB is muuuuch better of course
Aug 08 21:37:29 <mrmoku> need some sleep now
Aug 08 21:37:34 <dos1> uh, icon issue isn't fixed ;x
Aug 08 21:37:38 <dos1> mrmoku: which mail?
Aug 08 21:37:46 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: have a pleasant rest
Aug 08 21:37:47 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: yeah... but 16gb is still very expensive
Aug 08 21:37:52 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku: *I* sent a mail
Aug 08 21:37:52 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, thanks
Aug 08 21:37:53 <TAsn-hates-isp> to dos1
Aug 08 21:37:54 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 21:37:58 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: read it! :)
Aug 08 21:37:59 <mrmoku> ahh
Aug 08 21:37:59 <[Rui]> this is a class4 sdhc
Aug 08 21:38:04 <dos1> i read
Aug 08 21:38:04 <mrmoku> ok, then gnight :)
Aug 08 21:38:09 <dos1> and i'll look at it
Aug 08 21:38:10 <TAsn-hates-isp> mrmoku|away: night ;)
Aug 08 21:38:10 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 21:38:11 <[Rui]> mrmoku: good night!
Aug 08 21:38:15 <F4t> does moko support sdxc cards :P
Aug 08 21:38:16 <dos1> night!
Aug 08 21:38:41 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: icon issue isn't fixed ;/
Aug 08 21:38:47 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: I think the limit is somewhere between 16 to 32
Aug 08 21:38:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: too bad. ;)
Aug 08 21:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: is there any spec yet for sdxc?
Aug 08 21:38:56 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: told you it's a wild guess
Aug 08 21:38:58 <dos1> but that
Aug 08 21:38:59 <TAsn-hates-isp> what did you try?
Aug 08 21:39:05 <dos1> but that's only on upgrade ;p
Aug 08 21:39:13 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: btw, don't forget to add the wiki entry.
Aug 08 21:39:17 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: i changed order in setup.py
Aug 08 21:39:18 <F4t> http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc
Aug 08 21:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Aug 08 21:39:33 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: it doesn't matter
Aug 08 21:39:42 <TAsn-hates-isp> as it's extracted from a package
Aug 08 21:39:48 <TAsn-hates-isp> i.e an archive
Aug 08 21:40:16 <TAsn-hates-isp> and as I told you
Aug 08 21:40:18 <TAsn-hates-isp> it's just a guess ;)
Aug 08 21:40:25 <TAsn-hates-isp> (an educated guess, but still)
Aug 08 21:40:34 <TAsn-hates-isp> though I don't get why we didn't see it in other apps as well
Aug 08 21:41:32 <F4t> SDXC has the same dimensions, the same number of pins, and the same voltage, could it mean that when its out it will be a matter of firmware/driver upgrade?
Aug 08 21:42:10 <TAsn-hates-isp> F4t: actually, what troubles me the most
Aug 08 21:42:17 <TAsn-hates-isp> is how they'll call the next gen?
Aug 08 21:42:19 <TAsn-hates-isp> super-extreme?
Aug 08 21:42:36 <F4t> uber-capacity
Aug 08 21:42:37 <F4t> SDUC
Aug 08 21:42:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> choosing extreme so early is a bit, well, extereme... 
Aug 08 21:43:04 <F4t> theres nothing like a 2 TB sd card :P
Aug 08 21:43:14 <TAsn-hates-isp> :)
Aug 08 21:43:16 <TAsn-hates-isp> aye.
Aug 08 21:44:02 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: coming to think about it, I'll try to sketch something cool tomorrow at work ;)
Aug 08 21:44:19 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: anyhow, what do you think about the mixer?
Aug 08 21:44:25 <TAsn-hates-isp> we already have those python bindings
Aug 08 21:44:30 <TAsn-hates-isp> ;)
Aug 08 21:44:37 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: i planed something like that in early sketches of shr-settings
Aug 08 21:44:38 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 21:44:46 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: depends if protocol is compatible electrically
Aug 08 21:44:49 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: I think it's time :)
Aug 08 21:44:55 <dos1> but i dropped that due to my laziness
Aug 08 21:44:57 <dos1> ;D
Aug 08 21:45:04 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: you have no excuses now!
Aug 08 21:45:16 <dos1> TAsn-hates-isp: that's worrying me ;x
Aug 08 21:45:19 <TAsn-hates-isp> (as most of it is already written, so what if it's gtk?! :) )
Aug 08 21:45:20 <dos1> ;)
Aug 08 21:45:27 <TAsn-hates-isp> dos1: hehe :)
Aug 08 21:45:27 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: on that page they mention increased transfer bandwidth
Aug 08 21:45:44 <TAsn-hates-isp> DocScrutinizer: i.e signal latency?
Aug 08 21:46:04 <TAsn-hates-isp> and maybe our hw can't measure it fast enough?
Aug 08 21:46:31 <TAsn-hates-isp> (feel free to replace with something erne only electrical engineers understand)
Aug 08 21:46:32 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, how about hardware hack then? :D soldering a capacitator or some shit :P
Aug 08 21:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> yup, even totally different transmission protocol. see sdram vs  sd2ram e.g. No idea what they speced for sdxc
Aug 08 21:46:54 <TAsn-hates-isp> hehe soldering a cap is always a good solution
Aug 08 21:46:57 <TAsn-hates-isp> (at least on the moko)
Aug 08 21:47:04 <[Rui]> mokonnect was a total #fail for me
Aug 08 21:47:09 <TAsn-hates-isp> i'll probably get disconnected
Aug 08 21:47:13 <TAsn-hates-isp> but sec
Aug 08 21:47:24 <[Rui]> dos1: so, your opimd contacts are already in on 8-8 ?
Aug 08 21:47:32 * [Rui] hopes so...
Aug 08 21:47:33 <TAsn> am I alive?
Aug 08 21:47:38 <TAsn-hates-isp> sweet!
Aug 08 21:47:44 <[Rui]> TAsn: this is a recording from beyond the grave
Aug 08 21:47:45 <F4t> [Rui], why total fail? and why didnt u ask anyone anything about it?
Aug 08 21:47:47 <TAsn-hates-isp> let's wait for a couple more seconds :)
Aug 08 21:48:02 <dos1> [Rui]: it should be in repo
Aug 08 21:48:05 <TAsn> it seems like my connection is working ;)
Aug 08 21:48:12 <[Rui]> F4t: didn't work one single time
Aug 08 21:48:24 <TAsn> sweet. :)
Aug 08 21:48:44 <[Rui]> dos1: that's cool :)
Aug 08 21:48:47 <F4t> [Rui], trying to do what? when did it fail? how did it fail? any messages i terminal if u run it from there? how about a bug report?
Aug 08 21:48:57 <F4t> [Rui], or you dont want it to be fixed?
Aug 08 21:49:11 <TAsn> F4t, don't except anyone to be cooperative!
Aug 08 21:49:19 <TAsn> that's the #1 rule ! :)
Aug 08 21:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> rui wants to troll a little bit
Aug 08 21:49:37 <TAsn> it took me ages to fix a pyphonelog issue
Aug 08 21:49:40 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: bah!
Aug 08 21:49:45 <TAsn> because I thought I'm the only one having it
Aug 08 21:49:51 <TAsn> and no one told me otherwise!
Aug 08 21:50:27 <[Rui]> F4t: too complicated UI, and could never get IP from my home network, mofi, OTOH did it flawlessly at first try
Aug 08 21:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> waaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHH!
Aug 08 21:50:56 <F4t> [Rui], OTOH?
Aug 08 21:51:07 <[Rui]> F4t: after a few tries, since this is shr-u, I figured it was still too early to be usable, and hoped it would mature :)
Aug 08 21:51:12 <DocScrutinizer> contacts stopped running unexpectedly :-(((
Aug 08 21:51:13 <[Rui]> F4t: on the other hand
Aug 08 21:51:29 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, shit happens :)
Aug 08 21:51:38 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: !!!!!!!!!!! TAsn !!!!!!!!!!
Aug 08 21:52:24 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, don't be a troll! :)
Aug 08 21:52:31 <TAsn> you *know* we are dropping this :)
Aug 08 21:53:09 <F4t> [Rui], if ur happy with mofi, im happy for you :)
Aug 08 21:53:16 <[Rui]> F4t: no, not really
Aug 08 21:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I give a shit if you're dropping this. that's segfault on hitting icon on a plain vanilla 88shr which is supposed to be testing-candidate
Aug 08 21:54:02 <TAsn> 88shr <-- lol ;)
Aug 08 21:54:03 <Sharwin_F> TAsn, are you just packaging keyboards based on languages? are you going to package specific keyboard (as OptimSMS one on opkg.org)? :D
Aug 08 21:54:06 <[Rui]> F4t: mokonnect seems way more promising, I just thought it worked so bad for me it must've been still too young. Its an image from 2009/07/21 so if you've been working on it... no surprises if it's better now
Aug 08 21:54:26 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, we packed all the keyboards from illume's page in openmoko wiki
Aug 08 21:54:34 <F4t> [Rui], you should update using opkg then....
Aug 08 21:54:35 <TAsn> if you think we should pack something else as well
Aug 08 21:54:38 <TAsn> send it to us
Aug 08 21:54:38 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it isn't working at all?
Aug 08 21:54:51 <TAsn> (with a README about copyright info)
Aug 08 21:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> segfault on hitting icon
Aug 08 21:54:56 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, oh,
Aug 08 21:55:02 <[Rui]> F4t: are you kidding me? :) the way opkg has been going lately has let me with the fear of god from it :)
Aug 08 21:55:03 <TAsn> is it registered to network?
Aug 08 21:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> reproducable
Aug 08 21:55:08 <Sharwin_F> TAsn, I'll do :D I was just helping to the trolling game :D
Aug 08 21:55:16 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, oh ;)
Aug 08 21:55:18 <[Rui]> F4t: I've today's image in a new sd card
Aug 08 21:55:24 <F4t> [Rui], or you could flash the latest image, there is one today, that is planned to be the testing image
Aug 08 21:55:29 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: no sim
Aug 08 21:55:30 <Sharwin_F> so here it comes.. no spanish layout!! doh!
Aug 08 21:55:34 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, that explains it then.
Aug 08 21:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> i guess
Aug 08 21:55:42 <TAsn> it tries to probe sim
Aug 08 21:55:44 <[Rui]> F4t: running it already, but it's the lite image, so I'll try it now...
Aug 08 21:55:47 <TAsn> and it's error handling
Aug 08 21:55:48 <TAsn> sucks
Aug 08 21:55:52 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 21:55:55 <[Rui]> F4t: question, does it turn wifi radio on automatically?
Aug 08 21:56:01 <dos1> TAsn: there is no error handling at all ;)
Aug 08 21:56:01 <F4t> [Rui], it does
Aug 08 21:56:07 <TAsn> dos1, ++ :)
Aug 08 21:56:14 <TAsn> dos1, sometimes they attempt
Aug 08 21:56:16 <TAsn> something like
Aug 08 21:56:22 <[Rui]> erms... WTF??? -sh: opkg: not found
Aug 08 21:56:31 <F4t> [Rui], opkg-cl
Aug 08 21:56:49 <F4t> or.. ln -s /usr/bin/opkg-cl /usr/bin/opkg
Aug 08 21:56:59 <TAsn> if (x == null) *x =1; /* yeah, they did it wrong */
Aug 08 21:56:59 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 21:57:05 <[Rui]> F4t: well, somebody should put that in the FAQ for this release
Aug 08 21:57:16 <TAsn> [Rui], or just fix it before testing ;)
Aug 08 21:57:18 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: fixing it doesn't make sense. too much work, too little gain, and it will be dropped anyway :P
Aug 08 21:57:23 <[Rui]> this is the new opkg?
Aug 08 21:57:23 <TAsn> or in next update
Aug 08 21:57:27 <TAsn> [Rui], no
Aug 08 21:57:31 <TAsn> just a broken package ;)
Aug 08 21:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: *sigh*
Aug 08 21:57:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, don't you worry though
Aug 08 21:57:40 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 21:57:45 <Sharwin_F> I'd put it in the IRC chan title :P
Aug 08 21:57:52 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: but i promise new UI will have good error handling
Aug 08 21:58:02 <DocScrutinizer> k :)
Aug 08 21:58:03 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: and it will work without sim, as it will be opimd based ;p
Aug 08 21:58:14 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 21:58:31 <TAsn> :)
Aug 08 21:59:06 <TAsn> dos1, pyphonelog is also sim based (well, was)
Aug 08 21:59:08 <dos1> :D
Aug 08 21:59:16 <TAsn> dos1, hehe didn't want to spam the chan
Aug 08 21:59:18 <TAsn> also noticed that ;)
Aug 08 21:59:29 <TAsn> dos1, and still had proper error handling :)
Aug 08 21:59:44 <TAsn> it would still load
Aug 08 21:59:48 <TAsn> just won't resolve names :)
Aug 08 21:59:52 <F4t> TAsn, u going to germany? :)
Aug 08 22:00:01 <TAsn> of course.
Aug 08 22:00:06 <alphaone> heh
Aug 08 22:00:11 <alphaone> F4t that's mean
Aug 08 22:00:27 <F4t> whye mean?
Aug 08 22:00:57 <TAsn> F4t, I think I missed the joke.
Aug 08 22:01:02 <F4t> so did i...
Aug 08 22:01:03 <Sharwin_F> TAsn, put it in CAPS better :P
Aug 08 22:01:17 <alphaone> The DNS poisoning law?
Aug 08 22:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> fsck, my n810 went nuts. need to reboot... bye
Aug 08 22:01:26 <Sharwin_F> better!
Aug 08 22:01:28 <alphaone> Thought you were alluding to that
Aug 08 22:01:45 <TAsn> F4t, <F4t> TAsn, u going to germany? :) 
Aug 08 22:01:49 <TAsn> what did you mean? ^
Aug 08 22:01:55 <[Rui]> F4t: you should let the wifi password entry be multiline and force wrap (if possible)
Aug 08 22:02:14 <[Rui]> F4t: it's not setting the essid
Aug 08 22:02:45 * TAsn is going to get something to eat
Aug 08 22:02:56 <TAsn> and then will continue his paper ;)
Aug 08 22:02:57 <F4t> TAsn, the conference in title
Aug 08 22:03:00 <TAsn> oh.
Aug 08 22:03:03 <TAsn> I wish I could
Aug 08 22:03:08 <TAsn> (btw already missed that...)
Aug 08 22:03:15 <F4t> [Rui], why multiline password?
Aug 08 22:03:35 <[Rui]> F4t: not multiline password, just readable password if it's a decent one
Aug 08 22:03:41 <F4t> [Rui], what does the log say (after apply is clicked)
Aug 08 22:03:50 <[Rui]> F4t: I need to drag around the interface to check
Aug 08 22:03:56 <TAsn> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/o1G9op4xzdU/Firefox-36-Alpha-1-Released
Aug 08 22:04:07 <dos1> F4t: FSOSHRUDCON is passed :P
Aug 08 22:04:10 <[Rui]> F4t: what log, syslog?
Aug 08 22:04:21 <F4t> [Rui], the one you see after you click apply...
Aug 08 22:04:34 <F4t> [Rui], and i still dont understand what do you mean about the password?
Aug 08 22:04:47 <[Rui]> F4t: quite uninformative
Aug 08 22:04:48 <F4t> dos1, oh, didnt know that .....
Aug 08 22:05:17 <[Rui]> F4t: try to use a 28 character password
Aug 08 22:05:20 <F4t> [Rui], perhaps for you, but i might glean some problem out of it if you would be so kind as to point out the main lines....
Aug 08 22:06:30 <[Rui]> F4t: really, it was very uninformative
Aug 08 22:07:11 <F4t> [Rui], thats all very good but i still need to know at what stage it failed, or i cant even begin to try and help u, or solve this bug if its a bug
Aug 08 22:07:12 <[Rui]> damn it, why are vala apps not compatible with illume clipboard?
Aug 08 22:08:38 <[Rui]> lol it didn't save my wify settings...
Aug 08 22:08:46 <[Rui]> typing 28 characters *again* :)
Aug 08 22:09:03 <dos1> i have 32 chars long wpa pass ;D
Aug 08 22:09:36 <[Rui]> there's also a VERY irritating bug regarding illume keyboard focus window
Aug 08 22:09:47 <F4t> [Rui], it should save ur settings as soon as you click apply..... unless you kill it
Aug 08 22:10:19 <F4t> [Rui], stay in the log screen (the one after apply)
Aug 08 22:13:10 <[Rui]> F4t: http://pastebin.com/d685b1ff6
Aug 08 22:13:49 <F4t> Does wifi icon appear at the top?
Aug 08 22:14:15 <F4t> dont close the log, and open a terminal....
Aug 08 22:14:16 <[Rui]> dos1|watching: cool, 2^5 password :)
Aug 08 22:14:23 <[Rui]> F4t: nopes
Aug 08 22:14:41 <[Rui]> F4t: even though radio is on according to shr-settings
Aug 08 22:14:51 <F4t> in the terminal... "ps x | grep udhcp" and "ifconfig eth0" and "iwconfig eth0"
Aug 08 22:15:35 <F4t> (without closing the log screen)
Aug 08 22:15:42 <[Rui]> F4t: http://pastebin.com/d68840f17
Aug 08 22:15:59 <[Rui]> F4t: should've said that earluer, let's do again
Aug 08 22:16:16 <F4t> [01:13:04] <F4t> dont close the log, and open a terminal....
Aug 08 22:16:41 <[Rui]> F4t: udhcp is not being called, it seems
Aug 08 22:16:49 <[Rui]> but neither is the essid set
Aug 08 22:16:58 <[Rui]> or wifi password, for that matter
Aug 08 22:17:03 <F4t> [Rui], thats the weird part... (the essid)
Aug 08 22:17:18 <[Rui]> F4t: it's exactly the same behaviour as previously, just so you know
Aug 08 22:17:40 <F4t> the question is, is it connman's fault or mine.....
Aug 08 22:18:05 <[Rui]> have heard really bad stuff about connman
Aug 08 22:18:07 <F4t> i gtg sleep, ill continue debuging it with u tomorow if you wish...
Aug 08 22:18:43 <[Rui]> if we catch each other... I got a guest so we might go to th beach
Aug 08 22:18:47 <F4t> anyway , if ur bored, run killall connmand and run it with "connmand -nd > out.txt 2> err.txt" and then try mokonnect and see the log....
Aug 08 22:18:58 <F4t> thats the next thing to debug...
Aug 08 22:19:19 <F4t> and also, running mokonnect from terminal with "/usr/bin/mokonnect" provides more info as it displays exceptions if there are any
Aug 08 22:19:21 <[Rui]> ok
Aug 08 22:19:22 <F4t> im off to sleep
Aug 08 22:19:25 <[Rui]> good night
Aug 08 22:19:29 <F4t> gn
Aug 08 22:29:59 <TAsn> that sob.
Aug 08 22:30:01 <TAsn> bah.
Aug 08 22:30:13 <TAsn> erase that last remark :)
Aug 08 22:30:56 <TAsn> though anyhow, david from tuxbrain still doesn't answer any of my mails concerning the money tuxbrain owes me (cofundos callrec) though he does find time to answer to mails in sent in shr-user :| BAH!
Aug 08 22:36:20 <[Rui]> TAsn: hope nothing's too wrong, he has 3 openmokos from my friends for buzz fix :|
Aug 08 22:37:07 <TAsn> [Rui], it's ok
Aug 08 22:37:13 <TAsn> as I'm chasing him for ~6 monhs
Aug 08 22:37:14 <TAsn> months
Aug 08 22:37:36 <TAsn> so if there were no other complaints until now...
Aug 08 22:39:24 <[Rui]> TAsn: you *are* making me worried
Aug 08 22:39:35 <TAsn> [Rui], as I said
Aug 08 22:39:42 <TAsn> I don't think anything is terribly wrong
Aug 08 22:39:52 <TAsn> as no one said anything in the last 6 monhs
Aug 08 22:39:54 <TAsn> months
Aug 08 22:39:57 <TAsn> (anyone but me)
Aug 08 22:40:00 <[Rui]> TAsn: well, if you've been chasing him for 6 months... :)
Aug 08 22:40:11 <TAsn> but other people had no issues
Aug 08 22:40:13 <[Rui]> and I saw him alive and kicking at DebConf9....
Aug 08 22:40:15 <TAsn> or so it seems.
Aug 08 22:40:24 <TAsn> [Rui], next time you see him
Aug 08 22:40:29 <TAsn> please tie him with a rope ;)
Aug 08 22:40:37 <TAsn> to a credit card and a computer.
Aug 08 22:40:44 <[Rui]> http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty#
Aug 08 22:41:27 <TAsn> now I know how he lookn
Aug 08 22:41:31 <TAsn> looks like*
Aug 08 22:41:34 <TAsn> he's going down! :)
Aug 08 22:41:43 <TAsn> j/k, anyhow, I'm off, night. :)
Aug 08 22:42:22 <[Rui]> the bearded guy
Aug 08 22:42:27 <[Rui]> with glasses
Aug 08 22:44:30 <[Rui]> TAsn: good night
Aug 08 22:50:15 <[Rui]> hms... isn't loading my freshly done backgrounds?
Aug 08 22:51:36 <[Rui]> ah... the edje file is referencing an external file... ok
Aug 08 22:58:40 <TAsn> [Rui], he just paid :)
Aug 08 22:58:50 <TAsn> and even doubled the amount
Aug 08 22:58:55 <TAsn> ;)
Aug 08 22:59:03 <TAsn> (he said he felt bad for the HUGE delay)
Aug 08 22:59:06 <[Rui]> TAsn: see? :) he's a nice guy :)
Aug 08 22:59:29 <[Rui]> I hope he was able to mail my three friends' freerunners
Aug 08 22:59:39 <[Rui]> with the buzzfix
Aug 08 22:59:45 <TAsn> at least claimed he doubled the amount, haven't really checked if I actually got it ;)
Aug 08 22:59:50 <TAsn> just from what he said ;)
Aug 08 23:00:38 <TAsn> will know for sure tomorrow
Aug 08 23:00:41 <TAsn> (I don't read spanish)
Aug 08 23:00:53 <TAsn> (or german?)
Aug 08 23:03:31 <[Rui]> TAsn: want me to translate?
Aug 08 23:03:42 <TAsn> [Rui], nah, no need
Aug 08 23:03:49 <TAsn> will just check my bank info
Aug 08 23:03:51 <TAsn> thanks though :)
Aug 08 23:03:59 <[Rui]> why does illume launcher now display two icons for a program if it has two categories?
Aug 08 23:04:01 <[Rui]> TAsn: ok
Aug 08 23:04:23 <TAsn> [Rui], no idea.
Aug 08 23:04:35 <[Rui]> easy enough to fix, but weird...
Aug 08 23:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> why "now"?
Aug 08 23:04:50 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: because it didn't do that with Om2009t5
Aug 08 23:05:46 <[Rui]> I hope this is a minor setback whilst sections for the launcher are being written :)
Aug 08 23:06:49 <TAsn> to me it seems he paid the original agreed price, well anyhow, I'll just wait to see what my bank says tomorrow ;)
Aug 08 23:08:50 <[Rui]> TAsn: good!
Aug 08 23:15:20 <TAsn> night.
Aug 08 23:24:12 <dos1|watching> oh nice
Aug 08 23:24:27 <dos1|watching> electric cut off
Aug 08 23:24:34 <dos1|watching> 21% battery
Aug 08 23:24:38 <dos1|watching> bye bye ;x
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