**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 15 02:59:59 2009 Aug 15 08:13:48 heyho Aug 15 08:28:40 hmm, there's a bug in the obexpush package Aug 15 08:29:05 /etc/default/opd_args specifies /var/obexpush as path for incoming files, but the directory isn't created Aug 15 08:37:58 moin mrmoku Aug 15 08:38:58 blindcoder, moin moin Aug 15 08:39:17 mrmoku: in trac, is there a way to search within tickets? Aug 15 08:39:23 so that I don't open dups? Aug 15 08:39:39 nm, found it Aug 15 08:39:46 (two seconds after asking, as usual...) Aug 15 08:41:14 blindcoder, :) Aug 15 08:45:41 yay, my first trac ticket ;) Aug 15 09:33:14 hi,I made a python program(better than last time where I did it with python + shell scripts + manually) that converts the poi.db of tangogps to osm xml file...what should I do with it? Aug 15 09:37:05 PaulFertser: is kernel inheriting the u-boot usb enum? or does it enum again (which would open a window of 100mA usb-cur limit, which most likely would kill the boot process if no bat and uboot started backlit/lcm) Aug 15 09:37:34 DocScrutinizer: it re-enumerates Aug 15 09:37:40 I know Aug 15 09:37:43 ;-P Aug 15 09:38:04 DocScrutinizer: probably larsc will come up with something but no promises. And i don't have serial console (for unknown weird reason). Aug 15 09:38:10 sorry, gtg Aug 15 09:38:31 but does it care to switch down lcm prior to that? no, I guess Aug 15 09:41:29 btw I've installled packages for a wrong arch...how do I remove them? Aug 15 09:41:41 I know there is that path: /var/lib/opkg Aug 15 09:41:54 but that's for all packages not just the ones installed Aug 15 09:42:48 hmm, reinstall --force-reinstall correct packages? or "opkg remove"? Aug 15 09:43:47 yes but I need to find which packages were installed Aug 15 09:44:17 I installed Xorg for armv6 and I should have installed for armv6-novfp Aug 15 09:44:24 hmm, mtime? Aug 15 09:44:25 on my htcdream Aug 15 09:44:29 ok Aug 15 09:44:43 is there a file that keeps track of all packages installed? Aug 15 09:45:07 Gnutoo: opkg list_installed Aug 15 09:45:07 or maybe "opkg status" some foo? Aug 15 09:45:26 ouch that gives all packages not just armv6 Aug 15 09:45:37 I'll look at opkg status Aug 15 09:45:38 grep ;-) Aug 15 09:45:45 Gnutoo, try /usr/lib/opkg/status Aug 15 09:45:49 ok thanks Aug 15 09:46:18 thanks a lot that file contains the arch Aug 15 09:49:41 hmmm... obexpush's opd is seriously broken :( Aug 15 09:51:51 doesn't die on kill -INT, can't receive files more than once Aug 15 10:48:01 blindcoder: kill -9 will do ;-P Aug 15 10:52:23 yeah, that's what I did, too, but it sucks :P Aug 15 10:52:45 if it doesn't react to INT, it's broken. if it doesn't react to QUIT either, it's totally broken :P Aug 15 11:03:12 is it possible to lock my phones screen with shr unstable? Aug 15 11:03:23 i.e. so i have to enter my PIN to access it Aug 15 11:05:38 farhaven: you can press the aux key to lock the screen, but there's no pin-code to enter Aug 15 11:06:09 yeah, i know that. can i replace that locking thing with a random program? Aug 15 11:06:16 so i can for example use ylock Aug 15 11:08:32 hmm, no idea Aug 15 11:08:39 damn Aug 15 11:09:08 hm does shr-unstable safe to upgrade? Aug 15 11:23:57 farhaven, you can do that via keybindings setup in illume config Aug 15 11:24:52 k, cool :) Aug 15 11:24:53 thanks Aug 15 11:25:34 now i just have to get ylock to run :D Aug 15 11:29:01 mrmoku, TAsn: i worked on colors in battery meter Aug 15 11:29:10 dos1, and? :) Aug 15 11:29:22 now it's from green to yellow (100-50%) and from yellow to red (50-0%) :) Aug 15 11:29:34 cool :) Aug 15 11:29:45 dos1: should I reflesh before doing a opkg upgrade? Aug 15 11:30:03 now i have 5% battery, i'll commit it when it'll be 0% ;D Aug 15 11:30:11 morphis: hmm? it depends Aug 15 11:30:27 i think my image is older than one week Aug 15 11:30:46 morphis: i think you can just upgrade Aug 15 11:30:53 morphis: but check if you don't have old opkg Aug 15 11:31:11 and how? Aug 15 11:31:18 I only have opkg-cl installed Aug 15 11:31:33 morphis: opkg-cl == opkg Aug 15 11:31:36 jep Aug 15 11:31:38 opkg-cl update; opkg-cl list_updatable | grep opkg Aug 15 11:31:50 s/updatable/upgradable/ Aug 15 11:31:50 dos1 meant: opkg-cl update; opkg-cl list_upgradable | grep opkg Aug 15 11:33:04 opkg is upgradable Aug 15 11:33:26 morphis: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop; /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop; opkg-cl install opkg libopkg0 Aug 15 11:33:33 morphis: and then just opkg update; opkg upgrade Aug 15 11:33:43 ah ok, thanks Aug 15 11:43:45 dos1: worked Aug 15 11:44:59 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * r59625b10e8e4 10/shr-installer: Redmond destroyed! Destroying Redmond references too! (oh, wait... It was only dream ;'( ) Aug 15 11:46:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r10e922fbae03 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: make background under hovers, hoversels and inwins little darker Aug 15 11:46:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r8d6cc611ca57 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/battery.edc: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: reimplement coloring of battery. 100-50%: from green to yellow, 50%-0%: from yellow to red Aug 15 11:46:46 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r1816d1dff02e 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/illume-niebiee.edc: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: make wifi and bluetooth icons more white Aug 15 11:50:02 morphis: python-elementary does not build with cython 0.11.2 ;< Aug 15 11:50:18 soltys: hm Aug 15 11:50:33 can you give me an ouput of the compilation progress? Aug 15 11:50:46 sec Aug 15 11:51:56 soltys: hm for me compilation with cython 0.11.2 works Aug 15 11:52:35 but wait I update my sources Aug 15 11:52:44 same result Aug 15 11:53:58 hm ok I see missing dependancy Aug 15 11:54:16 :) Aug 15 11:54:23 morphis: what about genlists? :D Aug 15 11:54:30 include/elementary/c_elementary.pxd:19:8: 'evas.c_evas.pxd' not found Aug 15 11:54:33 ;) Aug 15 11:54:33 dos1: :D Aug 15 11:54:49 it fails with import of that Aug 15 11:54:51 ;) Aug 15 11:55:03 social: do python setup.py install_headers when installing python-evas Aug 15 11:55:25 then the evas.c_evas.pxd will be installed in /usr/include/python... Aug 15 11:56:21 dos1: current problem is, it is not very much fun to implement the genlist support cause there are many things which can not be easily wrapped Aug 15 11:57:42 morphis: it was just crappy .ebuild file ;) Aug 15 11:57:50 :) Aug 15 11:57:59 morphis: so i'll have to wait for it, ok, but do you promise you'll try to work on it? :D Aug 15 11:58:05 never trust your package system :) Aug 15 11:58:18 dos1: I already started working on it Aug 15 11:58:27 ok, nice :) Aug 15 11:59:05 morphis: i never trust it ;) ebuild was from openmoko overlay I na though it was ok ;) Aug 15 12:00:28 soltys: hehe :) Aug 15 12:03:37 dos1: where do I change the elementary theme? Aug 15 12:04:05 :) Aug 15 12:04:05 morphis: you mean selecting installed themes? Aug 15 12:04:13 morphis: ELM_THEME=themename Aug 15 12:04:19 dos1: jep Aug 15 12:04:32 dos1: you lazy silly hacker! what's up with your spare wallcharger? Aug 15 12:04:41 and where should I place this export to have it again when restarting the FR? Aug 15 12:05:16 morphis: /etc/profile Aug 15 12:05:21 DocScrutinizer: /me hides... ;x Aug 15 12:05:52 dos1: ok Aug 15 12:05:54 as long as you think while hiding ;-) Aug 15 12:06:30 dos1, /etc/profile.d/elm_theme.sh Aug 15 12:06:34 a bit better... ;) Aug 15 12:06:36 cleaner Aug 15 12:06:48 TAsn: yup ;D morphis, ^^ Aug 15 12:07:10 morphis, also consider setting x11-16 engine. Aug 15 12:08:16 TAsn: ok Aug 15 12:08:23 ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 Aug 15 12:08:34 niebiee theme is designed for it, and it's really faster Aug 15 12:09:15 ok Aug 15 12:09:33 dos1: if you hide for a few more days, I might change my mind Aug 15 12:09:56 dos1: I think I found a potential speedup in sqlite backends Aug 15 12:10:14 dos1: still you can ask bearstech to send you a new one Aug 15 12:10:46 DocScrutinizer: hmm... can you remind me for what wall charger is needed for me? Aug 15 12:10:52 DocScrutinizer: you wanted something to implement Aug 15 12:11:16 auto state change host->device ? Aug 15 12:11:39 general test purposes? Aug 15 12:11:51 dos1: we should replace text search e.x. in contacts domain to int search. We just need to assign phone to 1, e-mail to 2 etc... and make a dictionary which will help to understand what is what Aug 15 12:12:18 full-text search in sql is a very slow thing Aug 15 12:12:31 Q-Master: i have better idea Aug 15 12:12:35 ? Aug 15 12:12:38 Q-Master: use sqlite for searching ;P Aug 15 12:12:42 Q-Master: sound odd Aug 15 12:12:46 Q-Master: now sqlite isn't used at all Aug 15 12:12:52 Q-Master: searching is done in cache Aug 15 12:13:04 (which is bad and i want to change it, but it's lot of work) Aug 15 12:13:08 dos1: I've meant selecting to contact fields Aug 15 12:13:19 Q-Master: the same Aug 15 12:13:27 Q-Master: sqlite backend is used only when loading or storing entries Aug 15 12:13:40 Q-Master: it doesn't do anything when searching or selecting Aug 15 12:13:52 when you make a select * from ... where name="phone"; Aug 15 12:13:59 Q-Master: that's thing Aug 15 12:14:04 is MUCH slower than select * from ... where name=1; Aug 15 12:14:05 Q-Master: there is no "select * from..." Aug 15 12:14:27 only on booting Aug 15 12:15:03 and name="phone" is ok, as there is index in database (thanks to TAsn :P) Aug 15 12:15:19 :) Aug 15 12:15:21 but it isn't used at all ATM, as there is no "select * from" used :P Aug 15 12:15:31 dos1: anyway full-text searching is SLOWER and DUMBER than int searchin Aug 15 12:15:32 SELECT id FROM contact_values WHERE contactId=? AND field=? Aug 15 12:15:45 field= Aug 15 12:15:46 Q-Master: only on opimd startup Aug 15 12:15:51 Q-Master: and with index Aug 15 12:15:51 so? Aug 15 12:15:55 so? Aug 15 12:16:03 Q-Master: and int is even dumber Aug 15 12:16:10 nop Aug 15 12:16:16 easier to use Aug 15 12:16:21 Q-Master: no Aug 15 12:16:25 yes Aug 15 12:16:27 Q-Master: as we want to be able to use whatever name as field Aug 15 12:16:47 add the id to dictionary and use it as you like Aug 15 12:16:47 Q-Master: you can have even "Q-Master-is-stupid-and-dos-is-the-master" field :P Aug 15 12:16:56 Q-Master, doesn't really matter if it's indexed Aug 15 12:17:15 as it gets hashed anyway Aug 15 12:17:20 or "Q-Master-is-the-only-master" Aug 15 12:17:22 I authoritatively request full text search on contacts, across *all* fields Aug 15 12:17:22 whatever you want Aug 15 12:17:37 DocScrutinizer: it's already in my todo Aug 15 12:17:39 ;) Aug 15 12:17:46 and it shouldn't be hard Aug 15 12:17:46 TAsn: hash process when creating search pattern is eating some cycles. 8) Aug 15 12:17:55 Q-Master, of course Aug 15 12:18:03 though it's nothing comparing to searching the whole db Aug 15 12:18:10 so it only has a minor impact Aug 15 12:18:52 dos1: who cares about those dumb field names? there is NO prog which is able to list them anyway Aug 15 12:19:01 Q-Master: there is Aug 15 12:19:04 Q-Master: opimd-utils Aug 15 12:19:13 Q-Master: well, there is no real opimd based prog Aug 15 12:19:20 Q-Master: so we should disable opimd at all, yes? Aug 15 12:19:26 dos1: test utils. 8) Aug 15 12:19:54 Q-Master: there is no app which support that (except opimd-utils), but *there will be* Aug 15 12:20:16 and i care Aug 15 12:20:23 as i'll use it often Aug 15 12:21:12 dos1: (fields) X-ringtone Aug 15 12:21:19 yup Aug 15 12:21:22 and others Aug 15 12:21:56 dos1: (fields) X-dont-nag-from-to: "22:00 07:00" Aug 15 12:22:04 Q-Master: see? Aug 15 12:22:07 dos1: then we need to conform to vcard specs Aug 15 12:22:40 dos1: any concept yet how dialer / fsoeventsd should obey to such fields? Aug 15 12:22:40 dos1: otherwise we will have a big amount of progs which are incompatible and buggy Aug 15 12:23:00 DocScrutinizer: ologicd? Aug 15 12:23:05 aaah Aug 15 12:23:12 yes, probably Aug 15 12:23:22 never gave ologicd a glance Aug 15 12:23:37 well, i don't know what's current ologicd state Aug 15 12:23:45 even don't know how to look at it ;D Aug 15 12:23:51 ptitjes: ping! Aug 15 12:25:23 anyway, time for brunch now, for real. Always a pain to leave this circle of cute kind people Aug 15 12:25:46 but there's sth called RL, I've been told :-P Aug 15 12:25:55 DocScrutinizer: no f*cking way! Aug 15 12:25:57 ;D Aug 15 12:26:07 Where for some weird reason one has to eat Real Food from time to time ;) Aug 15 12:26:37 which is exactly what I need to do now, urgently Aug 15 12:26:42 DocScrutinizer: enjoy :D Aug 15 12:26:50 thanks Aug 15 12:42:33 TAsn: about battery meter - it's done thanks to literki ;D Aug 15 12:42:50 TAsn: i did some errors in code in edc file Aug 15 12:43:10 TAsn: and i had "./build.sh && killall -HUP enlightenment" Aug 15 12:43:30 TAsn: and edje_cc said "compilation code not clean" Aug 15 12:43:38 TAsn: and it removed edj file :x Aug 15 12:43:41 and enlightenment crashed Aug 15 12:43:47 and illume theme was gone Aug 15 12:43:57 i had only launcher on white backround with scrollbar Aug 15 12:44:25 without top shelf, keyboard and nothing else from illume Aug 15 12:44:44 so you used literki from the desktop? :) Aug 15 12:44:45 so i run literki and fixed it :D Aug 15 12:45:03 no, if didn't have access to pc Aug 15 12:45:08 s/if/i/ Aug 15 12:45:08 dos1 meant: no, i didn't have access to pc Aug 15 12:45:20 i had to fix that from neo ;) Aug 15 12:45:25 meant from launcher Aug 15 12:45:25 :) Aug 15 12:45:46 yup, from launcher Aug 15 12:45:58 sweet. :) Aug 15 12:47:03 gtg, ciao. Aug 15 12:47:07 TAsn: scap ;) Aug 15 12:47:10 :x Aug 15 12:47:25 yeah, saw it Aug 15 12:47:29 it's fucking awesome! :) Aug 15 12:47:36 TAsn: but now it's orange Aug 15 12:47:40 ;D Aug 15 12:47:48 I don't care :) Aug 15 12:47:49 on latest screen Aug 15 12:47:58 after that it'll be yellow, and then green Aug 15 12:48:06 ;) Aug 15 12:48:11 it's descriptive Aug 15 12:48:12 and nice Aug 15 12:48:14 and fun Aug 15 12:48:15 :) Aug 15 12:48:38 and with animation Aug 15 12:48:41 :D Aug 15 12:48:44 animation? Aug 15 12:48:52 only the plug and unplug Aug 15 12:48:54 right? Aug 15 12:48:54 plug in/plug out ;P Aug 15 12:49:00 yes Aug 15 12:49:08 ok, thought you added something else: ) Aug 15 12:49:11 anyhow, it's awesome! :) Aug 15 12:49:15 i don't think more is needed Aug 15 12:49:22 dos1, I agree. Aug 15 13:30:08 dos1: hmm, settings segfaulted when i clickked gprs-disconnect (connection been "expired", but that's another nuissance). Schould I upgrade? Aug 15 13:42:05 hmm, Wrench -> Look -> Theme -> Segfault Aug 15 13:43:18 same with background Aug 15 13:44:14 also startup... Aug 15 13:45:09 wrench means segfault XD Aug 15 13:45:56 ah, makes sense then ;) Aug 15 13:46:18 blindcoder: probably you're using x16 engine? Aug 15 13:46:18 memcpy(0xDEADBEEF, 0x0, 256); Aug 15 13:46:35 PaulFertser: can't remember changing it from the default Aug 15 13:46:42 PaulFertser: don't even know how ;) Aug 15 13:47:15 niemiee does afaik Aug 15 13:47:24 wrench -> advanced -> engine says SOFTWARE_16 Aug 15 13:47:27 blindcoder: if you ever do, don't forget that E dialogs can segfault with it often, you need to switch it back before tweaking anything. Aug 15 13:47:42 blindcoder: you see? That's the inferior engine leading to segfaults. Aug 15 13:47:47 PaulFertser: ah Aug 15 13:48:16 I'm running on september 21 image with occassional select package updates Aug 15 13:49:01 err Aug 15 13:49:03 july 21 Aug 15 13:49:09 * blindcoder .oO( september? wtf? ) Aug 15 13:49:33 PaulFertser: simply switching back from 16eng wont suffice. need x restart? Aug 15 13:49:51 doc: assumed that much Aug 15 13:50:11 k Aug 15 13:50:17 DocMobilizer: need E restart Aug 15 13:55:34 PaulFertser: did u understand in detail why my gprs borked frameworkd? Aug 15 13:56:32 i'm tempted to give it a shot with trying fix Aug 15 13:56:36 DocMobilizer: not a little bit even Aug 15 13:56:43 :( Aug 15 13:57:36 whats mickey|dinner s name? aah Aug 15 14:00:18 DocMobilizer: not restart, just killall -HUP enlightenment Aug 15 14:00:25 DocMobilizer: or even not Aug 15 14:00:34 DocMobilizer: just close settings window and open it again Aug 15 14:01:00 DocMobilizer: and after segfault when it restarts it should work then too ;) Aug 15 14:16:15 raster, ping Aug 15 14:25:25 dos1|away: niebiee theme is nice :) Aug 15 14:33:38 cc1: warnings being treated as errors Aug 15 14:33:38 libnm_glib.c: In function 'libnm_glib_get_nm_state': Aug 15 14:33:38 libnm_glib.c:118: warning: 'dbus_connection_send_with_reply' is deprecated (declared at /home/mok/src/other/openmoko/shr3/shr Aug 15 14:33:41 hehe Aug 15 14:44:05 hi is the author of tangogps on irc somewhere? Aug 15 14:44:14 or should I send him a mail? Aug 15 14:49:06 Yes he is Aug 15 14:49:18 Although he's not currently online Aug 15 14:49:28 "iscape", a.k.a Marcus Bauer, available on #hackable1 Aug 15 14:55:08 F4t, ping Aug 15 14:56:22 hmm, any reason why some splash images that are installed won't show up in wrench -> look -> startup? Aug 15 14:56:27 thanks Aug 15 14:56:54 blindcoder, shr-splash ? Aug 15 14:57:45 mrmoku: I got shr-splash-theme-{dontpanic,handy,niebiee,simple} installed Aug 15 14:58:07 but in look -> startup I got default, illume-niebiee, -shr and 'illume' itself Aug 15 14:58:41 blindcoder, hmm... dos1|away would know for sure :P Aug 15 14:58:48 it was because I wrote a small python script that takes the poi.db and convert it to xml files Aug 15 15:01:47 blindcoder, now dos1 will tell us ;) Aug 15 15:02:01 blindcoder: shr-splash isn't e splash Aug 15 15:02:05 blindcoder: we don't use e splash at all Aug 15 15:02:15 blindcoder: it's disabled by default Aug 15 15:02:23 dos1, confusing thing is... they actually get offered in illume startup conf Aug 15 15:02:25 blindcoder: and e splash is only displayed after coming to X Aug 15 15:02:54 blindcoder: so it's only after ~1,5 min after clicking power button Aug 15 15:02:56 mrmoku: WTF? Aug 15 15:03:17 dos1, just verified... go to Look -> startup Aug 15 15:03:23 and you will find all your nice splashes ;) Aug 15 15:03:46 WTF ;x Aug 15 15:04:04 raster implemented shr-splash support? ;p Aug 15 15:04:09 dos1, if you select one of them it does not show a preview Aug 15 15:04:34 well, nothing strange, as they aren't e splashes ;x Aug 15 15:04:42 but why are they displayed? Aug 15 15:04:58 does e "find . | grep splash"? ;x Aug 15 15:05:50 dos1: ah, okay. guess that had me confused :) Aug 15 15:06:08 mrmoku: i have only default, illume-niebiee, illume-shr, illume and illume-sixteen Aug 15 15:06:17 and my backup stuff Aug 15 15:06:46 and that's normal, as those are themes Aug 15 15:07:02 e17 themes Aug 15 15:07:12 and every e17 theme can provide its own splash Aug 15 15:07:28 (but they don't have to, as out themes don't) Aug 15 15:07:33 is it clear now? Aug 15 15:07:42 mrmoku: your verification sucks :P Aug 15 15:12:04 blindcoder: to change shr-splash theme use shr-settings->others->splash Aug 15 15:13:42 dos1: ah, thanks :) Aug 15 15:15:04 is there already fix for fso-abyss? Aug 15 15:15:25 mickey|dinner: ping? Aug 15 15:16:28 dos1: blue theme roxx. 8) Aug 15 15:16:51 indeed it does, but it doesn't match my green background image. now I gotta find a new background image :P Aug 15 15:16:54 * blindcoder blames dos1 Aug 15 15:17:26 green sucks Aug 15 15:17:30 ;E Aug 15 15:17:32 ;D Aug 15 15:17:44 i even considered making full battery blue Aug 15 15:17:47 :> Aug 15 15:19:07 anyway, gotta go fix dinner now Aug 15 15:19:08 bbl Aug 15 15:21:04 dos1: make a dark theme ;< blue is crapy ;) Aug 15 15:21:27 soltys: a Aug 15 15:21:29 err Aug 15 15:21:38 soltys: a) dark is crappy, blue 4ever <3 Aug 15 15:21:44 soltys: b) if you want it, do it youself :P Aug 15 15:22:22 PaulFertser: ping Aug 15 15:43:14 dos1: pong Aug 15 15:43:41 dos1: that's correctly spelled "find . -name "*splash*". No need for grep ;-) Aug 15 15:45:17 0:5 dos vs paul Aug 15 15:46:45 DocScrutinizer: i wonder what will it look like if we played ping-pong with dos1 in RL. Aug 15 15:47:24 probably like cricket Aug 15 15:47:41 DocScrutinizer: dos1 plays cricket? Aug 15 15:47:44 PaulFertser: it's save to keep dumb battery on usb when it displays 100%? Aug 15 15:47:50 dos1: yes Aug 15 15:47:57 dos1: reread the faq ;) Aug 15 15:48:05 PaulFertser: and when it's supposed to be really full? :D Aug 15 15:48:12 hmm Aug 15 15:48:14 * dos1 is too lazy Aug 15 15:48:17 dos1: when the charger stops. Aug 15 15:48:31 dos1: PMU MBC doesn't care whether it's a dumb bat or a cute one Aug 15 15:49:00 so when batget will hide that cute lightning then it's full? Aug 15 15:49:09 dos1: it will hide the plus sign. Aug 15 15:49:18 PaulFertser: with my theme lightning ;> Aug 15 15:49:30 dos1: your theme strikes! Aug 15 15:49:34 PaulFertser: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e88308c53301986d8828b3adfcb757a0.png Aug 15 15:49:43 PaulFertser: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/97ce1e358dfd60f3ea2c70feeb4daeff.png Aug 15 15:50:20 dos1: charging stops on sigma-current(batcharge, modem) < 16(with Qi 32)mA, or timer expires, or emergency cutout voltage reached (last two never shall happen) Aug 15 15:50:34 dos1: is it fast 16 engine? Man, you theme rocks for sure! :) Aug 15 15:50:53 PaulFertser: yup, it's "Designed for x11-16(R)" Aug 15 15:50:53 ;D Aug 15 15:51:06 too bad illume lacks decent launcher. Have you tried the one c_c wrote? Aug 15 15:51:32 i tried in early stage Aug 15 15:51:50 i like concept, but i don't like approach Aug 15 15:53:27 * DocScrutinizer ponders about semantic diffs tween concept and approach Aug 15 15:54:33 dos1: will theme survive switching back to standard engine? Aug 15 15:55:05 should, I guess Aug 15 15:55:48 DocScrutinizer: yup Aug 15 15:56:04 cool Aug 15 15:56:43 I definitely need to kick off a few opkg cmds next future Aug 15 15:56:45 DocScrutinizer: concept is "what you wanted to get", approach is "how you got it" (that's how i'm using it, maybe incorrently) Aug 15 15:57:29 hmm, I prefer realization to approach for that Aug 15 15:57:46 but then I could be wrong as well Aug 15 15:59:18 dos1: is there some way to warn users that your theme switches engines to the one that crashes in E's settings? Aug 15 15:59:41 PaulFertser: it doesn't switch engine Aug 15 16:00:01 blindcoder: how come you had your engine switched? Aug 15 16:00:03 PaulFertser: it works on both engines, until you'll switch engine to x11-16 it will be still x11 Aug 15 16:02:21 dos1: what about vcard 3.0 compliance in opimd? Aug 15 16:03:14 dunno about vcard Aug 15 16:04:25 dos1: better if it will be. then anyone can use opimd in their progs standardly Aug 15 16:04:45 but can't they now? Aug 15 16:06:04 dos1: they can, but there's no info about fields in opimd db, so one can use it's own which will dublicate the existing from other one. Aug 15 16:06:14 vcard standard solve this Aug 15 16:06:33 no info? Aug 15 16:06:46 can you explain? Aug 15 16:06:48 where? Aug 15 16:07:10 <[Rui]> hi Aug 15 16:07:25 well Aug 15 16:07:27 dos1: as I told ya, there could be cell phones, home phones, just phones Aug 15 16:07:29 opimd already bored me Aug 15 16:07:35 8)))) Aug 15 16:07:35 i'll finish genericdomain Aug 15 16:07:41 Q-Master: well, it's possible now Aug 15 16:07:44 <[Rui]> is there a way to speed up bitbake builds? Aug 15 16:07:45 yes Aug 15 16:07:45 Q-Master: even opimd-utils does that :P Aug 15 16:08:00 <[Rui]> THis is taking a bit too long: NOTE: Handling BitBake files: / (5306/6575) [80 %] Aug 15 16:08:11 and aboud being bored by opimd: Aug 15 16:08:16 dos1: great, but I want you to add 1 field to fields table. Aug 15 16:08:37 it will be good if there'll be field and modifier Aug 15 16:08:38 <[Rui]> and since libelm for ubuntu got screwed up by last enlightenment update, I can only test by building a package :! Aug 15 16:09:21 i'll finish working on GenericDomain, do few fixes and few small feature improvements and i'll make pause in developing opimd Aug 15 16:09:49 <[Rui]> dos1: oh noes! Aug 15 16:09:57 i'm bored and tired with it, the only one person who is working on it except me is Heindervdm Aug 15 16:10:01 which is sad ;x Aug 15 16:10:02 dos1: then, like in vcard format, any prog which relys on just phone, will get all the phone numbers, and others which are aware of modifier will know about what type of phone it is Aug 15 16:10:11 [Rui]: but i think i'll back to it, don't worry ;) Aug 15 16:10:16 dos1: you make shr unusable. Aug 15 16:10:21 i just need something else to develop now :D Aug 15 16:10:29 nop Aug 15 16:11:11 PaulFertser also knows: 'vzyalsa za guzh - ne govori chto ne duzh' Aug 15 16:11:44 Q-Master: i do, that's why i don't take on anything :) Aug 15 16:11:52 8))))))))))))))))))) Aug 15 16:12:03 well, i hope fso team will do something with opimd Aug 15 16:12:05 PaulFertser: explain that to dos 8) Aug 15 16:12:16 fsckng klingons Aug 15 16:12:18 dos1: you need to finish. Aug 15 16:12:29 our must Aug 15 16:12:35 <[Rui]> dos1: how about fixing illume-launcher? :) Aug 15 16:12:57 dos1: the ideomatic phrase means "if you took on anything (like pulling something somewhere) you shouldn't say you've not got enough force". Aug 15 16:13:19 aha Aug 15 16:13:20 heh Aug 15 16:13:21 but Aug 15 16:13:22 like this Aug 15 16:13:51 dos1: no one cares of what you're saying. 8) Aug 15 16:13:58 a) it's only volonteer work (i think i typed it wrongly ;p) Aug 15 16:14:04 b) summer vacations are ending Aug 15 16:14:12 and i'm still tired Aug 15 16:14:14 Q-Master: if not for dos1 we wouldn't have opimd at all in any working shape. Aug 15 16:14:28 yep Aug 15 16:14:32 PaulFertser: i know that Aug 15 16:14:32 c) we all will come over you ;-) Aug 15 16:14:40 8)))))))))))))))))) Aug 15 16:14:50 i can rest with programming Aug 15 16:15:21 dos1: you'll be itching all the rest of your life if you'll not complete fixing opimd Aug 15 16:15:24 8)))) Aug 15 16:15:25 but not with programming something, which tires... Aug 15 16:15:36 i'll fix and complete opimd Aug 15 16:15:43 dos1: beware. You're taking risks to proove you're a human being and no coder robot ;ßl Aug 15 16:15:47 ;-) Aug 15 16:15:52 DocScrutinizer: no! Aug 15 16:16:02 DocScrutinizer: i'm coder robot, i just need changes! Aug 15 16:16:03 :D Aug 15 16:16:10 dos1: then plz add that additional field. this will make everything simplier Aug 15 16:16:55 that's a valid request for a CHANGE at least ;-P Aug 15 16:17:25 i was doing opimd too long. i need to do something else now until i'll be able to work on opimd again without being tired with it Aug 15 16:17:27 ;) Aug 15 16:17:51 few shr-settings modules are still waiting Aug 15 16:17:53 dos1: add that field and i'll let you making something else. 8) Aug 15 16:18:13 packagekit bugs, which makes shr-installer almost unusable Aug 15 16:18:27 please can anybody send me a spare brain? mine hurts for the third day :-( Aug 15 16:18:34 8)) Aug 15 16:18:41 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer: I feel your pain :( Aug 15 16:18:47 DocScrutinizer: get drunk Aug 15 16:18:57 this'll help Aug 15 16:18:59 sounds like a plan Aug 15 16:19:09 * dos1 is tired. i think i'll take some nap Aug 15 16:19:36 mickey|dinner: HALLLO!!!! dinning for 2 days is a bit much!!! Aug 15 16:19:48 looooool Aug 15 16:20:10 Q-Master: that's mickeys running gag Aug 15 16:20:45 DocScrutinizer: (headache) weather changes? Aug 15 16:20:51 yup Aug 15 16:20:55 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer: you'd need to get drunk pretty fast and then go to bed :) Aug 15 16:20:59 <[Rui]> and still Aug 15 16:21:09 :( Aug 15 16:21:13 Rui knows 8) Aug 15 16:21:14 <[Rui]> it would be cheaper and better to just take some pills and go to bed Aug 15 16:21:29 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer: which is what I do when I get a migraine Aug 15 16:21:35 taking nap would be easier if i could sleep in daylight :/ Aug 15 16:22:08 the pills seem placebos (at least all of those I tried so far) Aug 15 16:22:58 DocScrutinizer: https://har2009.org/program/events/145.en.html might be for you ;) Aug 15 16:23:12 har? Aug 15 16:23:24 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer: take a good dose of acid... (that one in the Aspirin), shut all windows, kill all noise, just try to relax. don't make an effort to relax, that's counterproductive :) Aug 15 16:23:29 yells some chingles, yeah Aug 15 16:23:53 jingles Aug 15 16:23:55 ouch Aug 15 16:24:00 u c? Aug 15 16:24:54 everything is too hard to do. but it's easy to get drunk. 8) then you'll not care are you windows shut or not. 8) Aug 15 16:26:17 <[Rui]> Q-Master: if you have a migraine, you don't want to get drunk, period :) Aug 15 16:26:42 don't want, but just need to... 8) Aug 15 16:27:02 to understand tomorrow, that your migraine was nothing. 8))))) Aug 15 16:27:14 <[Rui]> if a label and icon of an elm_list are NULL, why does it reserve some space for them? :( Aug 15 16:27:24 <[Rui]> Q-Master: or triple it Aug 15 16:27:53 [Rui]: as I've told... you know! 8) Aug 15 16:28:03 <[Rui]> Q-Master: I've actually tried once, Aug 15 16:28:11 only once? Aug 15 16:28:14 <[Rui]> and it just kept getting more painful Aug 15 16:28:46 <[Rui]> which makes sense, since you're drying out the brain Aug 15 16:28:52 FSCK, missed HAR2009 Aug 15 16:28:57 :-( Aug 15 16:31:41 well if all the bombs didn't take effect, back to good ole ASS, and cya. you wake me if I get hungry please Aug 15 16:33:16 prolly the international name is ASA :-S Aug 15 16:33:25 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer: best recover from your headacke Aug 15 16:34:14 need to push my Bayer stock shares Aug 15 16:34:57 U know, my secret plan to conquer the world (via project B) Aug 15 16:35:59 prolly there was a small but important detail wrong with that plan. It should be you who need the Aspirine, not me :-/ Aug 15 16:36:24 still no informations about project B? Aug 15 16:36:53 wikiardw.... stalled Aug 15 16:36:53 (me has just eaten sweets and has more power now) Aug 15 16:38:43 so what's openmoko inc. doing now? ;x Aug 15 16:39:21 good question. Next question please Aug 15 16:39:30 :D Aug 15 16:43:06 doctor, everyone is ignoring me.... Aug 15 16:43:09 next! Aug 15 16:44:25 bzzbot: pet Q-Master Aug 15 16:44:43 damn Aug 15 16:45:02 Q-Master: I'm not ignoring you :-D Aug 15 16:45:09 8)) Aug 15 16:45:17 that was anecdot 8) Aug 15 16:45:28 * Q-Master is off for film Aug 15 16:45:55 * DocScrutinizer is off to enjoy Aspirine kicking in Aug 15 16:49:36 http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8025/img5749q.jpg <-- where is my neo? :D Aug 15 16:50:34 i want that black thing with openmoko label! (i don't know how to say that in english :P) Aug 15 16:51:10 i was good dev, can i has one noww plz? ;x Aug 15 16:51:17 dos1: the lanyard? Aug 15 16:51:43 lanyard, yeap. Aug 15 16:53:50 (damn slow internet connection when checking dictionary) Aug 15 16:57:14 for everything i do for openmoko and SHR, that thing would be enough for me as "donation" for that :D Aug 15 16:57:58 even if openmoko inc is dead - but i still believe in project Aug 15 17:00:55 F4t, ping Aug 15 17:01:22 mrmoku, pong Aug 15 17:01:49 F4t, could you find out which was the last connman version working nicely with mokonnect? Aug 15 17:02:07 i could try Aug 15 17:02:30 F4t, I will fix the rev to that then (even for unstable) Aug 15 17:02:37 until I manager to build NM :P Aug 15 17:02:40 -r Aug 15 17:03:17 try release 0.38 Aug 15 17:03:23 http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/connman/connman.git;a=commit;h=aac35324deb8c0b57f881338d87cb36b0979e7df Aug 15 17:03:42 F4t, ok, thanks Aug 15 17:05:21 <[Rui]> those look like good news :) Aug 15 17:09:12 [Rui], which part? Aug 15 17:09:47 <[Rui]> mrmoku: regressing to a working connman may let mokonnect work on my fr, for once... Aug 15 17:10:13 lets hope the best :) Aug 15 17:12:12 * F4t praying Aug 15 17:12:13 <[Rui]> Could someone help with elm_list? Why would this happen: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/53dcb1977cb7744f3062e27554a89a3f.png Aug 15 17:12:38 <[Rui]> I have a box with two buttons in the icon area, and a bubble in the *end Aug 15 17:13:24 <[Rui]> also, it would seem that the bubbles expand beyond the list item's boundaries Aug 15 17:14:48 <[Rui]> li = elm_list_item_append(status_list, NULL, box2, box, NULL, data); Aug 15 17:15:19 <[Rui]> so I'd expect no label, the icons on the left and the bubble on the right, but not with that huge space Aug 15 17:15:46 which kernel are you using these days? andy-tracking doesn't boot for me from SD, last message is 'mmc1: new SDIO card at address 0001'. Stalling forever after that Aug 15 17:16:56 mickeyl, SHR uses andy-tracking Aug 15 17:17:03 mickeyl: what do you need? uname? Aug 15 17:17:14 branch + srcrev :) Aug 15 17:17:26 mrmoku: do you have some known-good around? Aug 15 17:17:27 lol, no idea here Aug 15 17:17:43 perhaps it's a gcc problem Aug 15 17:17:46 this build is using 4.3.3 Aug 15 17:17:54 dunno whether this works for s3 Aug 15 17:17:55 c Aug 15 17:18:31 [Rui]: i don't think you can use elm_list for that Aug 15 17:18:55 <[Rui]> dos1: :( I don't see how to use genlist for that Aug 15 17:19:07 [Rui]: why do you need lists? Aug 15 17:19:11 mickeyl, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Aug 15 17:19:23 mickeyl, are you sure it's the kernel? Aug 15 17:19:28 <[Rui]> dos1: one thing I would like to do is remove the repeated buttons on the left Aug 15 17:19:38 <[Rui]> so that there would be just 2 buttons in the bottom Aug 15 17:19:42 mickeyl, asking, because I experienced another problem Aug 15 17:19:47 <[Rui]> and then they would be applied to whatever 'dent was selected Aug 15 17:19:53 (which leads to X not starting and USB net not working) Aug 15 17:19:58 <[Rui]> keyword here is "selected" Aug 15 17:20:14 <[Rui]> I couldn't see how to have that with a vbox full of hboxes Aug 15 17:20:23 [Rui]: try putting bubble on left and buttons on right Aug 15 17:20:30 mrmoku: pretty sure it's the kernel since it doesn't even come to 'mounting rootfs' or 'init' Aug 15 17:20:33 mickeyl: btw, after that i'd expect ar6000 driver to kick in and i can expect anything from it. Aug 15 17:20:38 mickeyl, ok Aug 15 17:20:48 <[Rui]> dos1: I'm thinking that if there's and *end then the list will divide the space in half :( Aug 15 17:20:52 (if it's not a module of course) Aug 15 17:20:57 * mickeyl tries with the image from mrmoku's URL Aug 15 17:21:06 [Rui]: no Aug 15 17:21:14 [Rui]: well, you are using lists incorrectly Aug 15 17:21:24 [Rui]: elm_list has fixed, specified layout Aug 15 17:21:30 widget on left, label, widget on right Aug 15 17:21:46 <[Rui]> dos1: this was a workaround which I think it was even you who suggested it :) Aug 15 17:21:53 hmm Aug 15 17:21:55 i don't think so Aug 15 17:21:57 ;D Aug 15 17:22:00 <[Rui]> but if it has them fixed, then it's bonkers. Aug 15 17:22:09 hmm Aug 15 17:22:10 ah Aug 15 17:22:12 i remember Aug 15 17:22:16 <[Rui]> bitbaking Aug 15 17:22:22 but i didn't suggested that Aug 15 17:22:27 (putting bubble on list) Aug 15 17:22:41 i just said it's possible to inject some widget to list Aug 15 17:22:42 <[Rui]> dos1: maybe I understood it wrong, then, what do you meant, then? Aug 15 17:23:01 [Rui]: i'm using it in this way: Aug 15 17:23:14 (searching for screen) Aug 15 17:23:56 mrmoku, did you finally remove loopback, pppd, modules? Aug 15 17:24:24 mickeyl: shr_unstable/900808/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz/etc/angstrom-version: Aug 15 17:24:28 F4t, yep Aug 15 17:24:35 Angstrom -20090808 Aug 15 17:24:37 Built from branch: shr/import Aug 15 17:24:38 Revision: d79130b4d5c0ed800e7deaa468cfea300c2b65c6 Aug 15 17:24:44 good :D Aug 15 17:24:45 F4t, though I'm quite pissed with connman... Aug 15 17:25:07 but NM is quite painfull to build :( Aug 15 17:25:12 mickeyl: runs from uSD flawlessly here Aug 15 17:26:32 [Rui]: got it Aug 15 17:26:33 [Rui]: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6097f2b12e8294c7a504ebafc0c64dca.png Aug 15 17:26:46 [Rui]: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c5144c4a9a3019bb7364dfe0f49007a7.png Aug 15 17:27:20 <[Rui]> dos1: but that seems like just normal list usage Aug 15 17:27:25 <[Rui]> icon, label, end Aug 15 17:27:31 yup Aug 15 17:27:38 end - button Aug 15 17:27:52 as i said to you ;) Aug 15 17:28:04 <[Rui]> dos1: anyway, I wanted to get rid of those buttons and take advantage of selection Aug 15 17:28:50 * [Rui] sobs inconsolably Aug 15 17:29:49 <[Rui]> bah... reverting :( Aug 15 17:30:55 [Rui]: if you can and want to play with edje stuff you could do what you want Aug 15 17:31:08 but with plain elementary i don't think it's possible ;x Aug 15 17:31:09 <[Rui]> dos1: still haven't learned how to do that Aug 15 17:31:16 well Aug 15 17:31:23 that could be good occasion Aug 15 17:31:25 :D Aug 15 17:31:26 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah... elementary seems to be too limiting, and not developped anymore Aug 15 17:31:43 <[Rui]> not today, sadly... I'm going to a bachelor's party Aug 15 17:31:43 why? it is developed Aug 15 17:32:03 <[Rui]> dos1: really? Aug 15 17:32:17 <[Rui]> dos1: not just minor tweaks here and there? Aug 15 17:32:41 [Rui]: looking at svn log now Aug 15 17:32:48 there is commit from today Aug 15 17:32:54 about "progressbar" widget Aug 15 17:33:00 so it's something new Aug 15 17:33:02 ;) Aug 15 17:33:12 <[Rui]> ok... Aug 15 17:33:40 file selector Aug 15 17:33:51 mrmoku: we *need* to bumb EFL! Aug 15 17:34:05 dos1, tell it TAsn ;) Aug 15 17:34:23 * [Rui] smiles... that's good to know, I feel more motivated. anyways.... gotta go :) bye all! Aug 15 17:34:35 f*ck TAsn, f*ck testing, GIVE ME THIS FSCKING ELEMENTARY! :D Aug 15 17:34:50 and bumping EFL *before* the next snapshot won't change sonames I think :P Aug 15 17:35:36 hmm Aug 15 17:35:41 it shouldn't ;) Aug 15 17:36:03 i wonder if you could just bump elementary ;x Aug 15 17:36:20 dos1, no... not a good idea I think Aug 15 17:36:24 that might work... or might not Aug 15 17:36:50 but well, we don't know if new e-wm from new EFLREV will work :D Aug 15 17:37:03 * dos1 is compiling new elementary on pc Aug 15 17:37:49 dos1, i installed ur theme, and used elm_theme.sh with ELM_THEME and ELM_ENGINE , and it seems like applications are in blue, but not the main screen, how do i change that too? Aug 15 17:38:12 F4t, switch the theme for illume too Aug 15 17:38:17 F4t: wrench -> look -> theme -> illume-niebiee Aug 15 17:38:28 F4t: and isntall e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee if you didn't Aug 15 17:38:33 F4t, and take care... it segfaults if you're on x16 ;) Aug 15 17:38:40 mrmoku: did you rebuild themes today? ;) Aug 15 17:38:46 what?? Aug 15 17:38:47 F4t: (segfaults) wrench, not theme ;) Aug 15 17:39:00 it just did Aug 15 17:39:18 dos1, I built it so often the last two days that I don't remember... Aug 15 17:39:47 right now I'm trying to build a new testing with old connman Aug 15 17:40:19 will build it after that fails :P Aug 15 17:42:12 dos1, i have there only illume and illume-shr Aug 15 17:42:21 progressbar in elementary is awesome :) Aug 15 17:48:28 hmm Aug 15 17:48:32 raster, where are you Aug 15 17:48:36 i have patch for elementary Aug 15 17:48:37 ;) Aug 15 17:48:43 (disabling bouncing in toolbar) Aug 15 17:50:45 ויייי דם נךוק שמג דיןמט Aug 15 17:50:49 uhhh so blue and shiny Aug 15 17:51:13 *rebooting* Aug 15 17:51:41 F4t: do you have nice battery? Aug 15 17:51:46 dos1, i think buttons should be a bit thicker.... Aug 15 17:51:46 (dunno which version of theme you have installed) Aug 15 17:51:53 dos1, nice battery is already there me thinks Aug 15 17:51:54 dos1, i think i do Aug 15 17:52:01 (with yellow flash) Aug 15 17:52:01 F4t: buttons? hmm? Aug 15 17:52:22 hmm, still stuck, however i didn't spot the init last time Aug 15 17:52:22 mokonnect's button, a bit too thin Aug 15 17:52:32 F4t: that's not theme issue... Aug 15 17:52:32 seems it's indeed halting during init Aug 15 17:52:33 *sigh* Aug 15 17:52:49 dos1, so why did that happen? the buttons were thicker? Aug 15 17:52:53 were thicker* Aug 15 17:53:18 F4t: i don't think they were, i have the same size of every buttons with niebiee and default themes ;x Aug 15 17:53:44 F4t: BTW. unplug and plug usb, and observe battery meter :D Aug 15 17:53:44 ok, last try w/ SHR rootfs before giving up Aug 15 17:53:54 mayb the font size decreasing also affected buttons? Aug 15 17:54:20 F4t: the only place i decreased font size is illume launcher Aug 15 17:54:24 F4t: nowhere else Aug 15 17:54:46 look at this: http://www.assembla.com/spaces/shrdev/documents/cy5kOCA9qr3PKieJe5afGb/download?filename=47b916d6a3bc7fd4fb40741ae6eb2001.png Aug 15 17:55:00 and this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e88308c53301986d8828b3adfcb757a0.png Aug 15 17:55:23 notice the exit button in the blue one doesnt reach end... and in gray one, its a bit cut Aug 15 17:56:06 clicking between the tabs on ur browser will also show the difference in size :D Aug 15 17:56:26 F4t: hmm Aug 15 17:56:30 a) something strange then Aug 15 17:56:38 b) it's stil bug, even with gray one Aug 15 17:56:45 as it should have ELM_FINGER_SIZE set Aug 15 17:56:47 ;) Aug 15 17:56:55 :-/ Aug 15 17:57:02 how can i fix it for my app btw? Aug 15 17:57:19 don't touch it, we'll do it globally in SHR Aug 15 17:57:32 try ELM_FINGER_SIZE=60 mokonnect Aug 15 17:57:54 and you'll see Aug 15 17:57:56 :D Aug 15 17:59:27 sec :D Aug 15 17:59:49 giant fat fingers w00t Aug 15 18:00:04 can i add it to elm_theme.sh? Aug 15 18:09:01 F4t: yup Aug 15 18:09:23 it ignores the number... :_/ Aug 15 18:09:30 10,20,30,40 same effect Aug 15 18:10:02 hmm, now it hangs after SHR splash screen Aug 15 18:10:15 * mickeyl kicks his FR Aug 15 18:11:20 F4t: add also ELM_SCALE=2 Aug 15 18:11:31 mickeyl, hmmm Aug 15 18:11:39 mickeyl, which rootfs did you try? Aug 15 18:11:50 ok, i wasn't used to the ages of first boot. Enlightenment startup wizard up now Aug 15 18:11:55 guess the hardware is still ok then Aug 15 18:11:57 ahh :) Aug 15 18:12:16 for some reason something in org.oe.dev renders to unbootable images :/ Aug 15 18:13:37 mickeyl, what is the correct fix for some lib setting a fixed rpath? just remove it from LDFLAGS? Aug 15 18:13:53 mickeyl: hi :) Any chance you'll integrate AT@POFF command for gta01 users soon? Also are you planning something "big" recently so we don't see much activity in FSO repos? Are you going to shock us? ;) Aug 15 18:15:37 mrmoku: not suppying -Wl,-rpath-link should do Aug 15 18:15:51 PaulFertser: (AT@POFF) yes, I'll try to think about that Aug 15 18:15:56 as for something big, I'm afraid not Aug 15 18:15:58 * mrmoku tries Aug 15 18:16:05 the guys are concentrating on their studies right now Aug 15 18:16:15 and i have only couple of days time to work on FSO these days Aug 15 18:16:19 +per week Aug 15 18:16:39 next thing will be fsodeviced substituting odeviced Aug 15 18:16:44 very soon, i guess Aug 15 18:17:07 and around sept./oct the guys will have more time again, i thikn Aug 15 18:17:27 mickeyl: is it a secret what you are busy with the time you don't work on FSO? (just curious) Aug 15 18:18:40 PaulFertser: he is working for ofono but it's secret and he can't say it Aug 15 18:18:41 Writing book on vala? ;) Aug 15 18:18:47 ;) Aug 15 18:19:13 PaulFertser: no secret at all. I'm working mostly on iPhone contract work and trying to spend more time with my recording studio. Still on the Vala book, but (much too) slow Aug 15 18:20:30 mickeyl: do you have it rooted? I've read quite some time about purplera1n and sn0w recently... Aug 15 18:21:17 PaulFertser: no, jailbreak is not interesting to me, as I'm not really using the device, but rather developing. Aug 15 18:21:40 I'd rather use fully free devices. Aug 15 18:21:50 and hopefully we can get some paid work on FSO again soon Aug 15 18:22:34 bbiab, dinner Aug 15 18:22:46 anyone has an iphone running linux? Aug 15 18:23:06 they're interesting because they are cheap on ebay :) Aug 15 18:24:26 * blindcoder .oO( for varying definitions of cheap ) Aug 15 18:25:22 with a 600 euro pricetag for a provider-unlocked phone I'd say they're rather expensive Aug 15 18:25:24 if you compare a iphone 1st gen to a palm pre Aug 15 18:26:46 PaulFertser: it's entirely possible that I just forgot that I switched it Aug 15 18:27:17 PaulFertser: happens sometimes, brain equals a black hole, stuff goes in to never be seen again :) Aug 15 18:35:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r43045df5cff2 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (4 files in 2 dirs): elementary-theme-niebiee: add progressbar theme Aug 15 18:37:17 dos1, you should shift your priorities ;) Aug 15 18:37:54 mrmoku: in sense? Aug 15 18:40:16 dos1, progressbar theme :P Aug 15 18:40:25 (as we don't even have them yet) Aug 15 18:40:51 mrmoku: it was as simple as svn diff -> copy&paste -> s/black color/white color/ Aug 15 18:41:14 mrmoku: so know i don't have to care about adding progressbar theme when we'll update elementary Aug 15 18:41:15 :P Aug 15 18:41:22 :P Aug 15 18:48:06 mrmoku: so now you don't have to rebuild elementary theme ;D Aug 15 18:53:17 mickeyl: fixing fso-abyss already? 8) Aug 15 18:54:57 Q-Master, I think your problems are different Aug 15 18:55:10 Q-Master, you did upgrade? Aug 15 18:55:17 mickeyl: oh, i have backtrace for you Aug 15 18:55:41 mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/m1ebc8c34 Aug 15 18:55:44 mrmoku: not sure. I see that fso-abyss is started, then exited or segfaulted Aug 15 18:56:03 mrmoku: i have the same (i think, symptoms are the same) Aug 15 18:56:05 Q-Master, but same fso-abyss is working for me Aug 15 18:56:24 mrmoku: 2 are more than 1 8) Aug 15 18:56:28 mrmoku: and for me not. and it worked one day, and then then it stopped to work Aug 15 18:56:33 i remember Aug 15 18:56:46 i was going to my girlfriend Aug 15 18:56:56 dos1, so you tell me you can't do phone calls? Aug 15 18:57:06 and fso-abyss is not workin since that broken upgrade Aug 15 18:57:08 mrmoku: yup, i have gsm0710muxd enabled Aug 15 18:57:14 Q-Master: for me much earlier Aug 15 18:57:19 i just forgot about it Aug 15 18:57:21 :D Aug 15 18:57:25 hmm... Aug 15 18:57:41 my shr isn't asking for a pin anymore since update a few days ago Aug 15 18:57:47 how should i fix this? Aug 15 18:57:57 * DocMobilizer talking via fso-abyss here Aug 15 18:57:59 dos1: I'm just updating not so frequent Aug 15 18:58:13 and she has not working "home phone" (don't know how to say it in english) Aug 15 18:58:36 so i could enter though gate Aug 15 18:58:43 s/could/couldn't/ Aug 15 18:58:45 dos1 meant: so i couldn't enter though gate Aug 15 18:58:48 and i wanted to call her Aug 15 18:59:01 but fso-abyss stopped to work exactly in that moment :D Aug 15 18:59:08 Q-Master: for me it was even without upgrading ;) Aug 15 18:59:20 (or i forgot i upgraded ;P) Aug 15 18:59:20 dos1: called "fixed phone" or "landline" Aug 15 19:00:08 PaulFertser: hmm, no phone... that think you call when you want to enter to house Aug 15 19:00:17 s/think/thing/ Aug 15 19:00:17 dos1 meant: PaulFertser: hmm, no phone... that thing you call when you want to enter to house Aug 15 19:00:28 dos1: doorbell? Aug 15 19:00:29 landline Aug 15 19:00:37 maybe landline Aug 15 19:00:44 my dictonary fails here ;x Aug 15 19:00:46 fso-abyss - 0.3.5+gitr70+008485b24ab0d4d116df06691d3cc50bc8cc9768-r1 - Aug 15 19:00:52 libfsobasics0 - 0.1.0.0+gitr374+d751bb0cf4ebf18ecadb0ad5bf9bff3df0d38641-r5.1 - Aug 15 19:00:57 is what I have Aug 15 19:01:04 and that works for me Aug 15 19:01:12 no, not landline Aug 15 19:01:31 intercom! Aug 15 19:01:33 :D Aug 15 19:01:43 doorphone Aug 15 19:01:46 ;) Aug 15 19:02:05 aaah Aug 15 19:02:06 mrmoku: same as me, but it is failing for me to work Aug 15 19:02:13 libgsm0710-0 - 1.1.1+gitr15+3bb80ba6cc9f86ed3996f88bfa2986cc572489d6-r0 - Aug 15 19:02:17 dos1: http://xkcd.com/530/ Aug 15 19:02:18 libgsm0710mux-config - 0.3.5+gitr37+3ba357ca25364b4c88b3fa87818029c3ca182efb-r0 - Aug 15 19:02:26 libgsm0710mux0 - 0.3.5+gitr37+3ba357ca25364b4c88b3fa87818029c3ca182efb-r0 - Aug 15 19:02:32 are important too Aug 15 19:03:41 PaulFertser: hehe ;D Aug 15 19:03:47 PaulFertser: but i couldn't enter to staircase Aug 15 19:03:53 i *really* will do a image copy of mu SD prior to next opkg call Aug 15 19:03:55 so no doorbell available ;) Aug 15 19:04:02 and transport is important too Aug 15 19:04:03 libfsotransport0 - 0.9.3+gitr374+d751bb0cf4ebf18ecadb0ad5bf9bff3df0d38641-r5.0 - Aug 15 19:04:41 mrmoku: I have all the same. NOT WORKING Aug 15 19:04:56 Q-Master, not finished yet ;) Aug 15 19:05:06 transport depends on some more Aug 15 19:05:44 mrmoku: I doubt you have something which differs from mine Aug 15 19:06:59 hmm Aug 15 19:07:26 brb Aug 15 19:08:02 mrmoku: every libfso* in the same version - 374 Aug 15 19:08:31 libgsm* versions the same as yours Aug 15 19:08:45 and abyss too Aug 15 19:09:07 mrmoku: but i have backtrace ;P Aug 15 19:09:17 mickeyl: ping ping ping Aug 15 19:09:30 dos1: show the bt! Aug 15 19:09:39 PaulFertser: already showed Aug 15 19:09:40 ;D Aug 15 19:09:45 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/m1ebc8c34 Aug 15 19:09:46 dos1: i wonder why so many people complain but nobody fixes it. Aug 15 19:10:15 PaulFertser: that's "openmoko community" Aug 15 19:10:27 complain-and-wait-for-fix(TM) Aug 15 19:10:40 * Q-Master off for sleep Aug 15 19:11:08 night Aug 15 19:15:56 looks like for some people force-reinstall is working Aug 15 19:16:01 trying it here too Aug 15 19:25:31 dos1: looks like a request comes in some incompatible format, like fso-abyss wasn't recompiled with new dbus signatures. Aug 15 19:31:44 reinstalling didn't help Aug 15 19:31:55 PaulFertser: but why it works for some people and for some not? ;x Aug 15 19:32:24 dos1, maybe due to upgrade at different point in time... Aug 15 19:33:07 mrmoku: i just reinstalled everything libfso*, libgsm* and fso-abyss Aug 15 19:33:12 and it still segfaults Aug 15 19:33:28 dos1: are you sure it works indeed for some people? Probably they have updated frameworkd? Aug 15 19:33:49 frameworkd? Aug 15 19:33:58 dos1: oh, an idea. Can you try to start only fso-abyss and request a channel manually? Aug 15 19:34:09 dos1: yes because it's frameworkd that requests a channel usually. Aug 15 19:34:14 hmm Aug 15 19:34:14 err Aug 15 19:34:15 say Aug 15 19:34:23 do you have disabled the console VTs on SHR? Aug 15 19:34:34 mickeyl: how to check that? Aug 15 19:34:43 if you boot with runlevel 3 Aug 15 19:34:46 do you get a login prompt on the fb? Aug 15 19:34:51 * mrmoku thinks so Aug 15 19:34:53 not sure though Aug 15 19:34:59 hmm Aug 15 19:35:06 think that we have them disabled Aug 15 19:35:09 aah Aug 15 19:35:12 (to be clear :) Aug 15 19:35:13 ok, that would explain Aug 15 19:35:14 thanks Aug 15 19:35:25 that may also explain my problems Aug 15 19:35:32 as in... "it hangs during boot"... Aug 15 19:35:33 *cough* Aug 15 19:35:37 perhaps it didn't hang Aug 15 19:36:01 :D Aug 15 19:36:02 alththough that wasn't shr/import Aug 15 19:36:04 but oe.dev Aug 15 19:36:31 oh! Aug 15 19:36:31 mrmoku, did you test 0.38? Aug 15 19:36:33 * dos1 hides Aug 15 19:36:42 killall gsm0710muxd helped ^^"""" Aug 15 19:36:55 F4t, flashed a new testing image with it in this moment Aug 15 19:36:56 dos1: holy shit Aug 15 19:37:04 going downstairs to test now :) Aug 15 19:37:21 dos1: ah Aug 15 19:37:28 i'm afraid there's the need for more failure tolerance Aug 15 19:37:34 uh Aug 15 19:37:35 (in fso-abyss and assorted libs) Aug 15 19:37:37 it didn't Aug 15 19:37:40 it hanged Aug 15 19:37:49 mrmoku, cool Aug 15 19:37:54 mrmoku, tell me how it goes Aug 15 19:37:57 i need to test the whole stack on a Neo Aug 15 19:38:07 i used my desktop for weeks now Aug 15 19:38:16 (including libgsm0710mux and abyss work) Aug 15 19:38:22 2009.08.15 21:36:21.266 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabling to enabled Aug 15 19:38:26 and that's last message Aug 15 19:38:27 ;x Aug 15 19:38:33 ok, debuging more Aug 15 19:39:14 mickeyl: any way to make fso-abyss more verbose? or just "fso-abyss" from console? Aug 15 19:40:04 dos1: yes iirc Aug 15 19:41:57 with the latest logging stuff, do Aug 15 19:41:59 mickeyl: about failure tolerance, have you seen #467 ? It explains the segfault. It's not too critical, though since the workaround is to distribute a file Aug 15 19:42:34 [libgsm0710mux] Aug 15 19:42:38 log_level = DEBUG Aug 15 19:42:40 etc. Aug 15 19:42:51 still segfault Aug 15 19:43:01 mickeyl: in frameworkd.conf? Aug 15 19:43:03 Deubeuliou: *nod* thanks, will take this into account Aug 15 19:43:04 I think I will soon have an interesting sample for libfso-glib used in C Aug 15 19:43:05 dos1: yeah Aug 15 19:43:13 Deubeuliou: ah, cool! Aug 15 19:44:08 there's already some code but last time I tested the "DBus signal catching" part, it didn't work. Aug 15 19:44:13 dos1: i'll spend some hours tomorrow to make sure the latest stack works on the Neo Aug 15 19:44:21 I may have a question about the generated headers Aug 15 19:44:40 interesting i get answers first, questions then Aug 15 19:45:12 there is a function which name has a "_" appended to it: free_smartphone_gsm_network_register_ Aug 15 19:46:32 dos1: haha, Deubeuliou has already found and isolated the segfault :) Aug 15 19:46:34 Deubeuliou: interesting. that looks like a bug Aug 15 19:46:36 something starts gsm0710muxd! ;( Aug 15 19:47:32 dos1: maybe you have a .service file that does start it ? Aug 15 19:48:02 Deubeuliou: yes, i have. but why is it called when i have abyss specified in config? Aug 15 19:48:07 PaulFertser: i have that conf files Aug 15 19:48:09 both Aug 15 19:48:13 abyss.conf and cornucopia.conf Aug 15 19:48:49 because the .service file specifies that gsmmuxd should be started when a signal gets down the bus ? Aug 15 19:49:06 dos1: yes, the error you have is different Aug 15 19:49:10 dos1: sorry Aug 15 19:50:14 Deubeuliou: but AFAIK gsm0710muxd is on org.pyneo.muxer, and abyss is on org.freesmartphone.omuxerd bus Aug 15 19:50:33 I think, ogsmd pushes the signal to a different bus according to the muser specified in frameworkd.conf, but if the org.freesmartphone.ogsmd.service file contains gsmmuxd, it will launch that one Aug 15 19:51:12 do you have a org.freesmartphone.ogsmd.service ? Aug 15 19:51:42 Deubeuliou: from FSO i have only: Aug 15 19:51:52 org.freesmartphone.ousaged.service org.pyneo.muxer.service org.freesmartphone.omuxerd.service Aug 15 19:52:07 what contains org.freesmartphone.omuxerd.service then ? Aug 15 19:52:07 i feel rather puzzeled Aug 15 19:52:12 and if it tries to use org.pyneo.muxer when abyss is specified in config, then it's bug ;p Aug 15 19:52:30 Deubeuliou: fso-abyss Aug 15 19:53:05 could you detect which bus the signal is sent through ? Aug 15 19:53:25 strace ;-) Aug 15 19:53:30 mdbus ? Aug 15 19:53:43 everything Aug 15 19:54:01 ;-P Aug 15 19:54:13 do you have ti_calypso_muxer specified? Aug 15 19:54:42 and is it *spelled correctly*? Aug 15 19:54:48 DocScrutinizer: sometimes i ask win developers some tricky questions. They like to answer: "read msdn" me: "what exactly" they: "everything". Aug 15 19:55:01 hehehe Aug 15 19:55:54 PaulFertser: better backtrace: http://pastebin.com/m4d945778 Aug 15 19:55:55 DocScrutinizer: do you know that they don't have posix message queues support but you can create a window with special flag "without a window" to use its message queue? Aug 15 19:56:01 well I traded my headache for a bad stomach now, thanks aspirin. So I'm not sure if laughin is more fun now Aug 15 19:56:24 yaaaayyyyyy Aug 15 19:56:29 DocScrutinizer: you should have eated something decent before aspirin :( Aug 15 19:56:30 THAT HURTS Aug 15 19:57:09 dos1: saw that, doesn't help much. I'd prefer to have full debug info installed and to see "bt full" output. Aug 15 19:57:16 I did the other way round aspirin, no more headache, eat, stomach hurts :-P Aug 15 19:58:01 dos1: I had a bug looking like this one recently. I was trying to printf("%s", some_integer) Aug 15 19:58:14 PaulFertser: oh, i installed -dev instead of -dbg Aug 15 19:58:14 maybe the strlen argument isn't a string ? Aug 15 19:58:15 ;x Aug 15 19:58:39 something is running gsm0710muxd even without frameworkd running! Aug 15 19:58:41 shit Aug 15 19:58:52 PaulFertser: why? last line in log is completely ok :-P Aug 15 19:58:56 meh :) Aug 15 19:59:55 dos1: we're doomed. Have you seen "Cannibal! The musical"? Go take a break and see, it's really hilarious. And plenty of unexpectedly cool songs. Aug 15 20:03:19 F4t, hmm... not so good Aug 15 20:03:28 mrmoku, report? Aug 15 20:03:40 it does not find my AP Aug 15 20:03:46 but iwlist scan sees it Aug 15 20:05:31 F4t, no error in console output Aug 15 20:05:48 :-/ Aug 15 20:05:57 do u stay in the scan screen for a while? Aug 15 20:06:34 F4t, yeah, I had it once that it found the network 2 seconds after it said scan complete Aug 15 20:06:45 (or better showed the network) Aug 15 20:07:47 mickeyl: could fso-monitord start gsm0710muxd? Aug 15 20:08:06 no Aug 15 20:08:35 the only one calling it would be frameworkd, if ti_calypso_muxer is not specified Aug 15 20:08:40 [afaik] Aug 15 20:09:53 mickeyl: but looks like fso-monitord does calling to org.pyneo.muxer... Aug 15 20:10:25 playya: ! Aug 15 20:10:53 i haven't got time to catch up with fso-monitord after playaa took it over Aug 15 20:11:22 yup Aug 15 20:11:33 it has org.pyneo.muxer hardcoded Aug 15 20:11:44 lines 152 in gsm.vala file Aug 15 20:12:10 s/152/152-154/ Aug 15 20:12:11 dos1 meant: lines 152-154 in gsm.vala file Aug 15 20:13:33 ok, now fso-abyss works ;) Aug 15 20:14:05 PaulFertser: that's why it works for some people and for some not Aug 15 20:14:13 it works for people who don't have gsm0710muxd installed Aug 15 20:14:23 those who upgraded have both gsm0710muxd and fso-abyss Aug 15 20:14:47 dos1: ah, i see. Aug 15 20:17:27 mickeyl: btw. what exactly is fso-monitord and how it can be used? Aug 15 20:19:33 dos1, there was never an unstable image without it though Aug 15 20:20:08 but maybe people not using fso-monitord don't suffer... Aug 15 20:20:16 Q-Master, do you use that? ^^^ Aug 15 20:21:59 dos1, fuck you too :) Aug 15 20:22:08 what's a lag! Aug 15 20:22:10 :D Aug 15 20:22:22 I'm laggy today. Aug 15 20:22:23 :) Aug 15 20:22:27 TAsn: but... Aug 15 20:22:42 ? Aug 15 20:22:57 TAsn: you promised you won't swear, don't you? ;> Aug 15 20:23:05 fuck me! :( Aug 15 20:23:09 :D' Aug 15 20:24:36 dos1: it was unfair, you forced him! Aug 15 20:25:21 PaulFertser: who said life is fair? :D Aug 15 20:25:22 PaulFertser, well... I would say he just tested him... and he failed ;) Aug 15 20:25:42 dos1: don't get me started Aug 15 20:27:03 mrmoku, I failed miserably :( Aug 15 20:27:21 plus, I just lost 10$ in poker :( Aug 15 20:27:28 not my day. Aug 15 20:27:40 and if you consider potential losses, I lost a lot more :) Aug 15 20:27:56 I mean potential wins. Aug 15 20:28:13 TAsn, go to the disco then Aug 15 20:28:22 what forL Aug 15 20:28:23 ? Aug 15 20:28:23 we have a saying here Aug 15 20:28:42 bad luck in the game... luck in love Aug 15 20:28:49 mrmoku, :) Aug 15 20:29:01 (other people they luck in games - money for love though ;) Aug 15 20:29:08 s/they/say/ Aug 15 20:29:09 mrmoku meant: (other people say luck in games - money for love though ;) Aug 15 20:29:11 mrmoku, lol Aug 15 20:29:18 I like the second saying better :) Aug 15 20:31:31 anyhow, I want to say I'm off to bed Aug 15 20:31:37 Hmm, a fresh make image .. shr-unstable/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/freetype-native-2.3.6-r0/freetype-2.3.6/Makefile: Too many open files cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 744564 Aug 15 20:31:38 though I'm not tired at all. Aug 15 20:32:00 TAsn, what are you doing in bed then... without money for love ;) Aug 15 20:32:25 mrmoku, that's the thing, I have nothing to look for there Aug 15 20:32:28 (at least not today) Aug 15 20:32:47 and all I can think about is my (soon to be) motorcycle license Aug 15 20:32:58 I have a scooter license (up to 15hp) Aug 15 20:33:06 though I want to get myself a better one Aug 15 20:33:09 (up to 33) Aug 15 20:33:22 TAsn: a scooter with 33hp? Aug 15 20:33:26 uhh.... loooong time ago :P Aug 15 20:33:34 PaulFertser, no Aug 15 20:33:39 I have a license for scooters Aug 15 20:33:42 (up to 15hp) Aug 15 20:33:50 I want to get a motorcycle license Aug 15 20:33:53 (up to 33hp) Aug 15 20:34:08 TAsn: how do you call the license to ride on bikes > 33hp? Aug 15 20:34:18 just like in europe Aug 15 20:34:22 A2, A1, A Aug 15 20:34:25 I have A2 Aug 15 20:34:28 (which mrmoku would call *real* motorcyles ;) Aug 15 20:34:33 I'm getting myself an A1 Aug 15 20:34:45 and in a year I'll be able to get myself an A Aug 15 20:34:46 :) Aug 15 20:34:52 ahh :D Aug 15 20:35:03 to you gotta have "one year experience" Aug 15 20:35:11 before you can get an A Aug 15 20:35:14 TAsn: ah, cool. Here we still have only A. You can ride scooters (<50km/h) without any license and for everything else that's A. Aug 15 20:35:34 PaulFertser, by scooters I mean 15hp or 125cc Aug 15 20:35:38 which is quite ok Aug 15 20:35:52 TAsn: every time i want to ride a motocycle i go to our moto.ru forum and read about accidents. Helps but not for long enough. Aug 15 20:36:14 as for <50km/h electric/gasoline scooters, their legal status is undetermined Aug 15 20:36:27 they parlament is too busy making laws like the biometric law ;| Aug 15 20:36:48 TAsn: in fact i have a motocycle 650cc but it's disassembled and stored in my flat because i've no proper place to store and fix it (it's an old soviet heavy bike). Aug 15 20:36:51 PaulFertser, hehe motorcycle are too cool to think about what can happen to you. Aug 15 20:36:59 PaulFertser, SWEET! Aug 15 20:37:00 fix it ! :) Aug 15 20:37:11 I'll be able to ride my uncles motorcycle until I get my own. Aug 15 20:37:19 (he has two) Aug 15 20:37:22 TAsn: but where to store it? Garages are prohibitively expensive here. Aug 15 20:37:30 PaulFertser, in the street? Aug 15 20:37:41 that's where we store motorcycles Aug 15 20:37:46 or maybe because it's vintage Aug 15 20:37:48 it's a bad idea. Aug 15 20:37:52 PaulFertser, up pics please! :) Aug 15 20:37:55 mrmoku: patches sent Aug 15 20:38:01 or at least from google images search Aug 15 20:38:07 * TAsn wants to seee. Aug 15 20:38:12 -e Aug 15 20:38:31 TAsn: it's not vintage, just old shit. But it can be stolen/vanalised as well. In moscow we don't keep bikes on the street. Also i need a place to properly fix it from time to time. Aug 15 20:38:48 PaulFertser, i c. Aug 15 20:40:23 TAsn: mine looks approx like this when assembled: http://images03.olx.ru/ui/1/44/88/12043688_1.jpg Aug 15 20:40:42 omg soo cool :) Aug 15 20:40:53 And it's far too heavy for me :-/ Aug 15 20:41:25 PaulFertser, for me too :) Aug 15 20:41:32 I won't get myself more than 250cc Aug 15 20:41:42 I'm even thinking about a strong 125cc like honda cbr125 Aug 15 20:42:21 mrmoku: i'll do shr-settings module for selecting elementary engine, theme and finger-size Aug 15 20:42:38 dos1, sweet! :) Aug 15 20:42:54 dos1, sometimes you rock Aug 15 20:42:58 (when you are not trying to trick me) Aug 15 20:43:13 TAsn: i don't want anything sport. Too afraid of being provoked to do nasty and dangerous things with it. Aug 15 20:43:26 PaulFertser, hehe that's exactly what everyone I know tel me Aug 15 20:43:28 tell* Aug 15 20:43:30 TAsn: mine 650cc is only 27hp iirc Aug 15 20:43:38 Or probably 32 Aug 15 20:43:39 dos1, good thing... applied Aug 15 20:43:52 thanks :) Aug 15 20:43:53 "buying a sport motorcycle is an expensive way to suicide" Aug 15 20:43:58 hmm Aug 15 20:43:58 while my parents say Aug 15 20:44:08 "buying a motorcycle is an expensive way to suicide" Aug 15 20:44:08 i'll need to rearrange shr-settings main page a little Aug 15 20:44:08 :) Aug 15 20:44:17 add "apperance" button Aug 15 20:44:38 hmm Aug 15 20:44:44 and maybe remove services Aug 15 20:44:48 i'll move it to others Aug 15 20:44:55 and make it launchable by button Aug 15 20:45:46 and in apperance will be splash theme, elementary configuration and e-wm theme Aug 15 20:46:18 * dos1 is looking for good icon Aug 15 20:46:32 PaulFertser: get a decent winch and a hammock, throw your bed out the window Aug 15 20:47:08 plenty of room for fixing a bike ;-) Aug 15 20:48:01 TAsn: btw, my motorcycle is supposed to be used with a sidecar but i have a single model. Aug 15 20:48:25 PaulFertser, many old motorcycles came with a sidecar :) Aug 15 20:48:30 that's a bit geeky in my opinion ;) Aug 15 20:48:31 for storing overnight, it might even sffice to winch the bike up to 5m above ground Aug 15 20:48:36 DocScrutinizer: fixing -- yes. But not storing. And it's hard to get a bike to my apartment, at least 2 strong guys needed and before that to dismount the engine. Aug 15 20:48:46 though I'd like to have one just in case Aug 15 20:48:48 is it's useful Aug 15 20:49:12 DocScrutinizer: (strong -- at least as strong as i) Aug 15 20:49:18 PaulFertser: that's what the winch is for. Maybe you need a bigger window Aug 15 20:49:33 DocScrutinizer: i leave on the 9th floor Aug 15 20:49:36 live Aug 15 20:49:51 np, winches have long steelrope Aug 15 20:50:19 In a house which has >250 apartments. Nobody'll allow me to do that. Aug 15 20:50:28 hehehe Aug 15 20:50:40 why? damdidam Aug 15 20:52:02 probably as long as you don't sit on the bike while winching it up along other 8 parties' living room or dorm window Aug 15 20:52:18 nobody might care Aug 15 20:52:46 the window to get the nike in might be more of a problem though Aug 15 20:52:52 Bike Aug 15 20:52:55 except if there's a good bit of wind and someone has it in their bedroom all of a sudden :) Aug 15 20:53:28 I got it it's a heavy bike, so wind won't care that much Aug 15 20:57:26 mrmoku: oh, i did a little too big finger size ;x Aug 15 20:57:40 dos1, arghh.. you did not test it :( Aug 15 20:57:40 mrmoku: can you change it from 80 to 70? Aug 15 20:57:45 mrmoku: i test Aug 15 20:57:55 mrmoku: but i forgot shr-settings has hardcoded finger size Aug 15 20:57:56 :D Aug 15 20:58:20 dos1, well play a bit more... and then I will change it to whatever is good then :D Aug 15 20:58:32 shr-settings has 70 Aug 15 20:58:40 and that's the size i want Aug 15 20:58:44 * mrmoku is going downstairs to give mokonnect another try Aug 15 20:58:49 dos1, ok, will set it to 70 then Aug 15 20:58:56 thanks :) Aug 15 21:06:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rd0695ce5a393 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Move shr-settings specific icons to /usr/share/pixmaps/shr-settings/ Aug 15 21:06:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf4d3ca56a52b 10/data/icons/icon_appearance.png: [data] add appearance icon Aug 15 21:06:54 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r40cd2ae34ff4 10/data/icons/icon_quit.png: [data] make quit icon look better Aug 15 21:08:55 dos1, stop working so hard, you make me look bad :) Aug 15 21:09:06 :D Aug 15 21:10:16 I just saw a very douglas adams like quote in a movie (just another bee movie), I jsut love that dude! :) Aug 15 21:13:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r4f6934e15271 10/setup.py: [setup] cosmetic changes Aug 15 21:15:05 anybody remember why the battery meter would be off by 2/3 (66% instead of 100%)? There was a setting I touched once to fix it, but I don't remember what it was Aug 15 21:16:00 budfive_, somewhere in the wrench Aug 15 21:16:09 :) Aug 15 21:16:19 just look, I can't remember exactly what as well. Aug 15 21:21:13 dos1, ok, changed to 70... and off to bed now Aug 15 21:21:18 gnight all Aug 15 21:35:04 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3f2aa5e05951 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] display services list in new window Aug 15 21:35:57 budfive_: switch to internal mode in hardware in advanced in batmeter in advanced in illume-wrench Aug 15 21:37:27 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r1d3ddc65049b 10/ (shr-settings shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py): [launcher] Remove "Services" category (services module moved to Others), add "Appearance" category (with splash module) Aug 15 21:37:45 budfive_: or simply stop hald, as nobody seems to know whyt for we need it anyway Aug 15 21:39:40 dos1: is it safe to do a settings upgrade (opkg install shr-settings?)? Aug 15 21:39:58 DocScrutinizer: i don't think anything i did is built now Aug 15 21:40:06 aah Aug 15 21:40:13 DocScrutinizer: but it should be safe even when build Aug 15 21:40:18 DocScrutinizer: i try to not commit crap Aug 15 21:40:19 ;) Aug 15 21:40:26 k :) Aug 15 21:41:47 ok, so i have everything prepared for new theme modules Aug 15 21:49:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rfbd85f313124 10/shr-settings: [launcher] cosmetic changes with category list Aug 15 21:52:24 DocScrutinizer: thanks. Aug 15 21:57:37 budfive_: did it help? if yes, what? Aug 15 21:58:46 budfive_: especially: do you know how you caused that issue (as it seems it doesn't appear on standard SHR installations) Aug 15 22:02:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r641876057ad6 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [launcher] more cosmetic changes Aug 15 22:05:59 mrmoku|away: you forgot to set finger size in lite image Aug 15 22:06:01 mrmoku|away: patch sent :P Aug 15 22:10:17 OMG Aug 15 22:10:27 DocScrutinizer: I accidentally blew away my shr, so had to reflash and bring the system back to where I had it. The 2/3 battery issue re-appeared on the new image (newest image was from aug 8, so not that new) Aug 15 22:10:29 looking at my code which handles update-alternatives... Aug 15 22:10:39 *my code* Aug 15 22:10:48 and i can't undestand THAT ;x Aug 15 22:11:06 DocScrutinizer: making the change you suggested fixed it, but the setting resets to auto-detect every few minutes. haven't yet figured out what's doing that Aug 15 22:12:11 budfive_: it's a known problem but I can't recall and "fix" so I assume a boot or sth will fix it Aug 15 22:12:30 s/and /any / Aug 15 22:12:31 DocScrutinizer meant: budfive_: it's a known problem but I can't recall any "fix" so I assume a boot or sth will fix it Aug 15 22:12:32 budfive_: set it, and then /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 15 22:12:55 it has problems with updating that value in fly Aug 15 22:13:03 when it reads it from config, it works ok Aug 15 22:15:19 budfive_: anyway I don't see that issue, and I also use SHR-U0808 Aug 15 22:15:39 flashed image uSD Aug 15 22:17:08 or maybe I just don't understand correctly how the issue is showing Aug 15 22:17:41 DocScrutinizer: yeah. I haven't fought it too much yet. There are many things that I need to change from the default image. sigh Aug 15 22:18:34 budfive_: so even more I wonder why you have an issue I don't see Aug 15 22:18:39 DocScrutinizer: do you know if that image is supposed to have the default shr theme? The one with the digital clock and the thin battery meter and the new icons? Aug 15 22:19:01 DocScrutinizer: do you know sed well? Aug 15 22:19:12 DocScrutinizer: I'm seeing the illume and illume-shr themes, but they look the same Aug 15 22:19:20 budfive_: no Aug 15 22:19:21 dos1: hah, a little bit Aug 15 22:19:24 budfive_: there are changes Aug 15 22:19:36 budfive_: battery, clock, loading screen and few others Aug 15 22:19:40 budfive_: default is illume-shr Aug 15 22:19:49 budfive_: and illume-shr profile don't have that battery meter bug Aug 15 22:19:55 budfive_: illume has Aug 15 22:19:57 dos1: I know how to read the manpage ;-) Aug 15 22:20:04 DocScrutinizer: hehe :D Aug 15 22:20:44 dos1: do you need sed in particular? how about awk? perl? Aug 15 22:20:50 that's the explanation then. I always use illume-shr theme Aug 15 22:20:56 budfive_: no ;D Aug 15 22:21:10 DocScrutinizer, budfive_: i have "export ELM_THEME=niebiee", i want to edit anything after "export ELM_THEME=" to, for instance, "default" Aug 15 22:21:20 (anything in that line of course) Aug 15 22:22:35 dos1: ok. i'll try niebiee. Aug 15 22:22:47 dos1: I can also hep you with sed/awk/perl if you need Aug 15 22:23:09 budfive_: as i said: Aug 15 22:23:10 i have "export ELM_THEME=niebiee", i want to edit anything after "export ELM_THEME=" to, for instance, "default" Aug 15 22:23:13 s/export ELM_THEME=niebiee/export ELM_THEME=whatever/ ?? Aug 15 22:23:39 DocScrutinizer: i don't know if there is "niebiee" or something else Aug 15 22:23:43 hmm Aug 15 22:23:44 or maybe Aug 15 22:23:46 ;x Aug 15 22:24:00 s/export ELM_THEME=.*/export ELM_THEME=whatever/ ?? Aug 15 22:24:15 DocScrutinizer: so what's a complete invocation then? Aug 15 22:24:18 :D Aug 15 22:24:33 * dos1 is too lazy to look at man, he prefers active coding :P Aug 15 22:24:54 sed s/export ELM_THEME=.*/export ELM_THEME=whatever/ file-to-edit Aug 15 22:25:19 perl -n -e 's/(export ELM_THEME)=[a-z\-]+/\1default//g' Aug 15 22:25:44 much more legible Aug 15 22:25:47 :-P Aug 15 22:27:54 but if you want to do it the geek way, you can do that with sed as well: Aug 15 22:28:47 sed s/(export ELM_THEME=).*/\1whatever/ file-to-edit Aug 15 22:31:19 nevertheless without manpage I don't know for sure what to escape inside the regex - e.g. \(, \= Aug 15 22:33:00 dos1: do you know what controls the icon sets in illume? My contacts icon is a blank piece of paper right now. Is that a theme of some sort as well? Aug 15 22:39:40 budfive_: you selected illume theme... Aug 15 22:39:55 budfive_: no. running niebiee now Aug 15 22:40:05 budfive_: illume icon theme Aug 15 22:40:10 budfive_: change it in illume wrench Aug 15 22:40:32 (as you're still using illume profile, it has only some standard icons) Aug 15 22:40:41 in illume-shr profile "SHR" icon theme is selected by default Aug 15 22:41:01 dos1: ok. I clearly don't know the difference between themes, icon themes and profiles Aug 15 22:41:16 budfive_: everything should have SHR in name :P Aug 15 22:41:17 dos1: wrench-look has a "theme" selector Aug 15 22:41:23 (or niebiee in theme ;D) Aug 15 22:41:30 budfive_: no, search for "icon theme" Aug 15 22:41:50 dos1: i've been looking, but I don't see it. It's supposed to be in the wrench somewhere? Aug 15 22:42:05 wrench -> look -> icon theme... Aug 15 22:42:21 dos1: not there Aug 15 22:42:24 under "theme" is "fonts", and under "fonts" is "icon theme"... Aug 15 22:42:31 oh Aug 15 22:43:28 dos1: ok. look has fonts and theme Aug 15 22:43:32 neither have "icon theme" Aug 15 22:43:48 so you broke something Aug 15 22:43:51 i suggest just Aug 15 22:43:54 rm -rf ~/.e Aug 15 22:43:57 dos1: i just reflashed :) Aug 15 22:44:03 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Aug 15 22:44:10 dos1: ok. Aug 15 22:44:13 and then select illume-shr profile Aug 15 22:44:21 as you should do from begining... Aug 15 22:44:24 k Aug 15 22:46:34 dos1: that did it. thanks. e is still a mystery to me Aug 15 22:49:42 bah, I can't sleep Aug 15 22:49:53 though I'm too tired to do anything else. Aug 15 22:51:13 TAsn: shr_elementary reads actual theme and displays it on hoversel (but it needs to learn how to read available themes), and has functional radios to switch engine Aug 15 22:51:37 cool :) Aug 15 22:51:41 TAsn: too tired to sleep. That's also a known problem Aug 15 22:51:50 TAsn: now slider for finger size and reading available themes and it's done :) Aug 15 22:51:54 dos1, just check how illume's wrench does it. Aug 15 22:52:05 TAsn: i know how to do it Aug 15 22:52:11 dos1, oh, ok ;) Aug 15 22:52:13 TAsn: it just isn't done yet ;) Aug 15 22:52:22 actually it's just a matter of lisiting a dir, isn't it? Aug 15 22:52:26 what does the fingersize selector do? Aug 15 22:52:26 yup Aug 15 22:52:43 /usr/share/elementary/themes/*.edj Aug 15 22:52:50 yes. Aug 15 22:52:57 budfive_: makes buttons and other clickable widgets bigger or smaller Aug 15 22:53:08 depending on size of your finger :P Aug 15 22:53:13 dos1: i see. cool. Aug 15 22:53:36 anyhow, I'm off. Aug 15 22:53:50 let's hope I'll be ok. Aug 15 23:12:32 slider implemented Aug 15 23:12:37 now only theme selector Aug 15 23:33:26 DocScrutinizer: ping? Aug 15 23:33:33 someone still there? Aug 15 23:33:34 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf0b16f7a1d03 10/ (shr-settings shr_settings_modules/shr_elementary.py): [elementary] add new module to control elementary settings Aug 15 23:33:35 hmm Aug 15 23:33:43 DocScrutinizer: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 15 23:33:45 :) Aug 15 23:33:47 done :) Aug 15 23:35:05 dos1: that's really great Aug 15 23:35:06 so now something similar but for enlightenment Aug 15 23:35:11 but before that - bed :P Aug 15 23:36:04 but changes need X restart Aug 15 23:36:10 ok, good night! Aug 16 02:14:53 TAsn: Ainulindale: mrmoku|away: Hey guys, I do exist and am around again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 02:59:57 2009