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Aug 17 05:38:24 <PaulFertser> d1b: shr-messages are going to be deprecated soon anyway
Aug 17 06:03:57 <mrmoku> mickeyl, morning
Aug 17 06:04:02 <mickeyl> morning mrmoku 
Aug 17 06:05:22 <mickeyl> you're up early
Aug 17 06:05:25 <mickeyl> is that usual?
Aug 17 06:05:39 <mickeyl> (it's sure unusual for me ;)
Aug 17 06:08:28 <mrmoku> mickeyl, usually yeah
Aug 17 06:08:37 <mrmoku> I have two kids... one going to school
Aug 17 06:08:49 <mrmoku> you better get used to it in that case :P
Aug 17 06:08:49 <mickeyl> ah i see
Aug 17 06:08:53 <mickeyl> *nod*
Aug 17 06:11:05 <mrmoku> mickeyl, I'm even a bit late... because it's vacation time :)
Aug 17 06:11:11 <mrmoku> still got to have breakfast
Aug 17 06:11:12 <mrmoku> bbiab
Aug 17 06:11:14 <mickeyl> ah, right. two more weeks to go
Aug 17 06:11:18 <mickeyl> bon appetit
Aug 17 06:11:22 <mickeyl> hmm, one more week to go
Aug 17 07:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> prominent people....
Aug 17 07:35:37 <DocScrutinizer> moin raster, mickey|bbl 
Aug 17 07:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|bbl: for some reason seems the early up day
Aug 17 07:50:21 <raster> DocScrutinizer: dox! wassap!
Aug 17 07:50:25 <raster> 만세!
Aug 17 07:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> raster: got up too early
Aug 17 07:51:18 <raster> noo! go back to snooz!
Aug 17 08:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I confirm timer-triggered fake re-enabling of MBC (i.e. shows "charging") is fixed 
Aug 17 08:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about the log entries in fso.log though
Aug 17 08:10:57 <PaulFertser> Do	:)
Aug 17 09:42:11 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r136ffb152647 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: disable background under clicked hoversel
Aug 17 09:47:46 <DocScrutinizer> raster: ping
Aug 17 09:48:47 <d1b> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~p	[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~pau	 ok ":) 
Aug 17 09:48:53 <d1b> bah*
Aug 17 09:49:20 <d1b> PaulFertser: ok :) but debian zhone don't sho the sms at all 
Aug 17 09:49:22 <d1b> i haven't tried the latest shr unstable tho ...
Aug 17 09:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> coke in your kbd?
Aug 17 09:51:46 <d1b> DocScrutinizer: no
Aug 17 09:51:49 <d1b> :)
Aug 17 09:52:00 <d1b> latency / forwarding to laptop laggy
Aug 17 09:52:02 <d1b> (gprs:0
Aug 17 09:55:12 <d1b> DocScrutinizer: so if shr messages is going to be obsoleted i can post problem here :) ?
Aug 17 09:55:28 <d1b> i think its just a problem / half implemented code in an old shr thingy
Aug 17 09:55:43 <d1b> don't know ... haven't updated tothe latest. 
Aug 17 09:56:02 * d1b will post sms text later :)
Aug 17 09:56:14 <d1b> its probably  a stupid bug that doesn't do anything :) 
Aug 17 09:56:21 <d1b> not security :)
Aug 17 09:56:46 <PaulFertser> d1b: debian zhone does sms
Aug 17 09:56:49 <PaulFertser> d1b: i use it
Aug 17 09:57:06 <d1b> PaulFertser:  yes i know BUT it doesn't show this sms :)
Aug 17 09:57:57 <PaulFertser> d1b: ask dos1 
Aug 17 09:58:41 <d1b> PaulFertser:  ok
Aug 17 09:59:29 <BillK_> shr build wants python-pysqlite2 - on gentoo and have pysqlite 2.5.5 installed - is this not the same thing?
Aug 17 10:02:35 <lysgaard> What's the latest SHR build stable for daily use?
Aug 17 10:02:57 <d1b> " ]o n l y   g o i n g   t o   u s   3   ( a d , d a v e , t h o m a s ) .     g i t   > s v n   ; )   % 0   "
Aug 17 10:03:07 <d1b> is the closest i can paste in this channel / on irc :)
Aug 17 10:03:24 <blindcoder> lysgaard: I did opkg upgrade yesterday and it works just fine
Aug 17 10:03:41 <lysgaard> blindcoder: Thanks
Aug 17 10:07:09 <dos1> raster: ping
Aug 17 10:08:10 <dos1> d1b: use mdbus to read it
Aug 17 10:08:23 <dos1> d1b: and check, if it's the same, better or worse :P
Aug 17 10:08:36 <dos1> if the same or worse, then it's frameworkd problem
Aug 17 10:08:47 <dos1> if better, then it's something with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl
Aug 17 10:08:50 <dos1> (which is obsolete)
Aug 17 10:24:28 <d1b> dos1: um i can sms it to you ?
Aug 17 10:25:01 <d1b> i don't know what the issue is but i can sms you the exact sms ..
Aug 17 10:25:08 <raster> DocScrutinizer: pong
Aug 17 10:25:11 <d1b> it only freezes shr-messages not zhone ...
Aug 17 10:25:12 <raster> dos1: pong
Aug 17 10:25:26 <dos1> d1b: well, i'm not using libframeworkd-phonegui-efl :P
Aug 17 10:25:30 <dos1> d1b: i use opimd-utils
Aug 17 10:25:35 <dos1> raster: i have small patch for elementary
Aug 17 10:25:36 <d1b> dos1: wel lthat's nice but ...
Aug 17 10:25:43 <d1b> if you give me your number i can send the sms
Aug 17 10:25:46 <raster> dos1: poochies!
Aug 17 10:25:49 <d1b> and you can work it out 
Aug 17 10:25:54 <dos1> d1b: mdbus it, and copy&paste here
Aug 17 10:26:03 <d1b> dos1: explain how :)
Aug 17 10:26:10 <dos1> raster: where should i sent it?
Aug 17 10:26:12 <d1b> its actually 2 smses 
Aug 17 10:26:13 <d1b> :)
Aug 17 10:26:47 <raster> wasta@rasterman.com
Aug 17 10:27:19 <d1b> dos1: what's wrong with smsing it ?
Aug 17 10:27:39 * d1b tries to export backup and provide that
Aug 17 10:28:47 <dos1> d1b: as i'm using opimd, and it doesn't buffer smses on sim
Aug 17 10:28:53 <dos1> d1b: so it can store it differently
Aug 17 10:30:27 <dos1> d1b: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook all
Aug 17 10:30:43 <dos1> raster: svn diff output is ok?
Aug 17 10:30:57 <raster> dos1: as long as u svn updated just before :)
Aug 17 10:31:01 <raster> attach it tho
Aug 17 10:31:04 <raster> dont paste it inline
Aug 17 10:31:04 <raster> :)
Aug 17 10:31:25 <dos1> raster: it's updated, and ok ;)
Aug 17 10:31:39 <raster> werdzupzors
Aug 17 10:31:48 <raster> as they say around these parts
Aug 17 10:31:50 <raster> :)
Aug 17 10:33:19 <dos1> raster: sent :)
Aug 17 10:34:17 <d1b> dos1: what stuff do you want from that ?
Aug 17 10:34:28 <dos1> d1b: that two borked smses
Aug 17 10:35:39 <d1b> ok :)
Aug 17 10:38:34 <d1b> http://pastebin.com/f4bd31650
Aug 17 10:38:40 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: the "]" at start looks fishy. crippled ansi-esc sequence?
Aug 17 10:39:04 <d1b>   {   'alphabet': 'ucs2', ?
Aug 17 10:39:07 <d1b> eh...
Aug 17 10:39:20 <d1b> unicode sure but ...
Aug 17 10:40:05 <d1b> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/345
Aug 17 10:40:08 <d1b> maybe ?....
Aug 17 10:40:13 <d1b> but thats fixed...
Aug 17 10:41:31 <d1b> ok i deleted the post 
Aug 17 10:41:36 <d1b> if you need it let me know :)
Aug 17 10:41:48 <d1b> ill email you the text
Aug 17 10:44:07 <dos1> d1b:             'error': ['Userdata corrupt'],
Aug 17 10:44:21 <dos1> d1b: either it's problem with frameworkd
Aug 17 10:44:32 <dos1> d1b: or something strange happened to that smses
Aug 17 10:44:44 <dos1> in network or even in sender
Aug 17 10:44:45 <d1b> dos1: it is actuall 2 sms
Aug 17 10:44:50 <d1b> put together
Aug 17 10:45:16 <d1b> ithink the issue may be that shr is expecting the full data amount and the sms is actually less...?
Aug 17 10:45:20 <dos1> d1b: no
Aug 17 10:45:23 <d1b> dos1: really?
Aug 17 10:45:40 <d1b> dos1: the sender lets me send unicode smses...
Aug 17 10:45:47 <dos1> d1b: it isn't even shr issue
Aug 17 10:45:56 <d1b> and shr messages freezes when i look at it ... / try to
Aug 17 10:46:04 <d1b> dos1: and i can repoduce it 
Aug 17 10:46:04 <dos1> as it's FSO which says 'userdata corrupt'
Aug 17 10:46:11 <d1b> dos1: i odn't know what happened to that sms
Aug 17 10:46:17 <d1b> but it occurs on the uncorrupted one too
Aug 17 10:46:26 <d1b> um the 
Aug 17 10:46:40 <dos1> you should talk with alphaone (it isn't there now...) to extract PDUs of that messages and give it to him to debug
Aug 17 10:46:58 <d1b>         '\x05 \x03/\x02\x02o n l y  g o i n g  t o u s  3 ( a d , d a v e , t h o m a s ',
Aug 17 10:47:04 <d1b> is the message 
Aug 17 10:47:11 <dos1> it's not PDU of message
Aug 17 10:47:14 <d1b> i can give you the original text if you want it 
Aug 17 10:47:16 <dos1> it's already decoded message
Aug 17 10:47:20 <d1b> ok :)
Aug 17 10:47:33 <dos1> possibly decoding has bug
Aug 17 10:47:34 <d1b> dos1: i did send the sms so i an tell you the text exactly 
Aug 17 10:47:44 <d1b> dos1: in fso or in gsm ?
Aug 17 10:47:51 <dos1> a) in fso
Aug 17 10:47:55 <dos1> s/a)//
Aug 17 10:47:56 <d1b> ok.
Aug 17 10:47:56 <bzzbot> dos1 meant:  in fso
Aug 17 10:48:32 <d1b> dos1: mm ok... but um... if you want i can just sms it rofl 
Aug 17 10:48:33 <dos1> d1b: give original message, decoded message and (the most important) PDU of this message to alphaone
Aug 17 10:48:45 <dos1> i know almost nothing about decoding messages ;p
Aug 17 10:49:03 <d1b> dos1: well ... i can send you the thing im sure you can get the pdu etc.
Aug 17 10:49:12 <dos1> so even if you'll send it to me
Aug 17 10:49:19 <dos1> i can't do anything useful with it
Aug 17 10:49:20 <d1b> dos1: i can do that :)
Aug 17 10:49:24 <dos1> as i lack knowledge ;P
Aug 17 10:49:24 <d1b> dos1: eh?
Aug 17 10:49:30 <d1b> dos1: um.... ok
Aug 17 10:49:38 <dos1> i'm higher level programmer ;)
Aug 17 10:49:57 <d1b> i think debian zhone just doesn't show it but im not using an older version than is available atm
Aug 17 10:50:22 <dos1> d1b: well, if FSO can't decode it correctly then any fso based app won't show it
Aug 17 10:50:32 <d1b> dos1: ok :)
Aug 17 10:53:20 <d1b> dos1:  http://pastebin.com/d20cbb785
Aug 17 10:53:22 <d1b> is the sms text
Aug 17 10:53:55 <d1b> im going to delete it in a min
Aug 17 10:54:16 <PaulFertser> d1b: don't delete it from sim
Aug 17 10:54:20 <PaulFertser> d1b: please
Aug 17 10:54:32 <d1b> PaulFertser: eh i haven't rofl
Aug 17 10:54:32 <PaulFertser> d1b: i'll tell you how to get PDU
Aug 17 10:54:36 <d1b> and i can repoduce it 
Aug 17 10:54:40 <d1b> PaulFertser: why don'ot i sms it to you ?
Aug 17 10:54:45 <d1b> its far easier
Aug 17 10:54:55 <PaulFertser> d1b: well, give it a try: +79032340447
Aug 17 10:54:59 <PaulFertser> d1b: no
Aug 17 10:55:02 <PaulFertser> d1b: typo
Aug 17 10:55:09 <PaulFertser> d1b: +79032340457
Aug 17 10:55:11 <d1b> eh what is it ?
Aug 17 10:55:12 <d1b> oh ok
Aug 17 10:55:51 <d1b> get it ... in a min i think
Aug 17 10:56:16 <PaulFertser> d1b: got it :D
Aug 17 10:56:20 <d1b> PaulFertser: good :)
Aug 17 10:56:23 <d1b> is it scrweed :) ?
Aug 17 10:56:55 <d1b> both of them / one of them crashes shr ... messages component 
Aug 17 10:57:00 <PaulFertser> d1b: yeah, you seem to be good at screwing ;)
Aug 17 10:57:15 <d1b> PaulFertser: oh :) 
Aug 17 10:57:20 <d1b> fun ;)
Aug 17 10:57:58 <PaulFertser> dos1: Daniel is busy at har2009 i guess.
Aug 17 10:58:58 <PaulFertser> d1b: are you using some special trick to send it?
Aug 17 10:59:51 <d1b> PaulFertser: im using a compoany called smsglobal
Aug 17 10:59:54 <d1b> why ?
Aug 17 11:01:38 <PaulFertser> d1b: ah, ok.
Aug 17 11:02:13 <d1b> PaulFertser: oh ?... anything interesting ...
Aug 17 11:03:48 <PaulFertser> d1b: not yet
Aug 17 11:05:00 <PaulFertser> dos1: frameworkd itself doesn't mind that sms at all. It's just mdbus that can't show the result. dbus-send works ok.
Aug 17 11:05:37 <PaulFertser> dos1: well, not really ok, looks like ucs-16, and only first part. The second looks like chinese :)
Aug 17 11:06:01 <PaulFertser> (the second sms)
Aug 17 11:06:35 <PaulFertser> d1b: so you basically sent me 3 messages, right? First is multipart and second is singlepart. Which one crashes shr-messages?
Aug 17 11:36:13 <d1b> PaulFertser: wrong
Aug 17 11:36:40 <PaulFertser> d1b: well, what is right then?
Aug 17 11:36:57 <d1b> i sent 2 sms'es
Aug 17 11:37:03 <d1b> one long one 
Aug 17 11:37:08 <d1b> that's it 
Aug 17 11:37:37 <PaulFertser> d1b: long one == two smses each carrying a part
Aug 17 11:38:02 <d1b> PaulFertser: if its any consilation the blackberry, windows mobile , iphone seem to have fun with it :0
Aug 17 11:39:35 <d1b> PaulFertser: i sent one long sms  == 2 smses yep wit hthe text i posted before
Aug 17 11:40:54 <PaulFertser> d1b: right. But i received 3 smses.
Aug 17 11:41:48 <d1b> PaulFertser: ;)
Aug 17 11:41:50 <d1b> maybe no idea
Aug 17 11:42:05 <d1b> ah which sms
Aug 17 11:42:09 <d1b> ah i think its the first one ...
Aug 17 11:42:26 * d1b checks
Aug 17 11:42:42 <d1b> ah no its the second 
Aug 17 11:42:54 <d1b>  /maybe its the 3rd one that's showing up ?
Aug 17 11:44:02 <d1b> 113 unicode characters, 2 SMS message(s)
Aug 17 11:44:08 <d1b> is what their web if says
Aug 17 11:44:16 <d1b> friend tried with another carrier and they filtered it 
Aug 17 11:45:09 <d1b> the web if shows only 2 smses
Aug 17 11:46:09 <PaulFertser> d1b: ok. But is it possible that it's just that special service sends garbled messages?
Aug 17 11:46:48 <d1b> PaulFertser: perhaps :)
Aug 17 11:46:52 <d1b> but they do i consistently 
Aug 17 11:46:57 <d1b> it *
Aug 17 11:47:43 <PaulFertser> dos1: so it somehow proves that shr-messages are guilty. They shouldn't crash.
Aug 17 11:48:20 <d1b> im going to send it to a nokia and see what happens . all i know is that an iphone, blackberry, windows mobile and my openmoko don't know what to do with the message
Aug 17 11:49:51 <d1b> PaulFertser: a patched 3.01 jailbroken iphone shows ">only going to us 3 (ad, dave, thomas)"
Aug 17 11:49:55 <d1b> and drops the rest
Aug 17 11:51:55 <PaulFertser> d1b: i see. But it looks like the service in question is sending broken messages, just that.
Aug 17 11:52:32 <d1b> PaulFertser: yes and this their fault how ?
Aug 17 11:52:46 <d1b> even if they are sending bad messages 
Aug 17 11:52:58 <d1b> its not their fault re phone software  breaking 
Aug 17 11:53:41 <PaulFertser> d1b: true, so back to the shr devs. mrmoku|away or dos1: do you care about shr-messages crashing on receiving garbled messages?
Aug 17 11:54:03 <d1b> PaulFertser: why should it crash ?
Aug 17 11:54:26 <d1b> the mdus thingy didn't have any problems
Aug 17 11:54:49 <PaulFertser> d1b: install -dbg package and provide a backtrace, then somebody'll be able to tell you why can it crash. But this software is going to be depreceted anyway.
Aug 17 11:55:40 <d1b> PaulFertser: so you didn't have any issues looking / reading hte sms ;) 
Aug 17 11:55:44 <d1b> teh*
Aug 17 11:55:45 <d1b> the*
Aug 17 11:56:29 <PaulFertser> d1b: since i'm not an shr user, yes, i don't.
Aug 17 11:56:45 <PaulFertser> d1b: dbus-send --print-reply also shows it
Aug 17 11:57:10 <d1b> ok.
Aug 17 11:57:21 <PaulFertser> (only the text you quoted, ending with "m a s ) "
Aug 17 11:57:31 <d1b> PaulFertser: what ?
Aug 17 11:57:38 <d1b> wait wait ... what text missing ?
Aug 17 11:57:42 <d1b> was*
Aug 17 11:57:54 <PaulFertser> d1b: i don't know the original text
Aug 17 11:58:02 <d1b> PaulFertser: ill pm it 
Aug 17 12:03:09 <d1b> PaulFertser: odd
Aug 17 12:04:34 <d1b> oh cool my nokia is crazy
Aug 17 12:08:01 <dos1> PaulFertser: well, it's not shr-messages but libframeworkd-phonegui-efl problem
Aug 17 12:08:04 <dos1> which is obsolete
Aug 17 12:08:26 <dos1> new phone ui will have some error handling (this one doesn't have any :P)
Aug 17 12:08:42 <PaulFertser> dos1: ok, you confirm what i already told 
Aug 17 12:08:47 <PaulFertser> dos1: thnx
Aug 17 12:09:12 <dos1> or course if someone will provide patch we'll apply it
Aug 17 12:09:27 <dos1> but i think we won't work on phonegui-efl
Aug 17 12:11:59 <net_tux> running "mdbus org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.GetInfo" fails for me with error "/org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio: GetInfo failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError"
Aug 17 12:11:59 <net_tux> any ideas why that might be?
Aug 17 12:13:14 <net_tux> a little more specifically, running fsomixer.py gives a final error of "AttributeError: 'Audio' object has no attribute 'player'" related to it calling GetInfo
Aug 17 12:23:54 <dos1> who needs elementary documentation?
Aug 17 12:24:09 <dos1> it has really good one ;x
Aug 17 12:24:15 <dos1> in source, doxygen based
Aug 17 12:24:24 <dos1> but dunno if it's available somewhere in internet
Aug 17 12:25:05 <dos1> random phrase in doc -> google -> nothing :(
Aug 17 12:25:10 <dos1> ok, i'll host it on my server
Aug 17 12:26:51 <dos1> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/elementary/
Aug 17 12:44:56 <farhaven> are there some docs for the python bindings of elementary?
Aug 17 12:45:12 <farhaven> i'd love to port ylock to elementary, it'd fit in way better than the current gtk thingy
Aug 17 12:45:45 <dos1> farhaven: when you have c elementary doc, you don't need python-elementary docs
Aug 17 12:46:02 <dos1> it's just elm_button_label_set() -> elementary.Button.label_set()
Aug 17 12:46:10 <dos1> etc.
Aug 17 12:46:20 <farhaven> okay, cool
Aug 17 12:46:38 <dos1> for examples looks at shr-settings, opimd-utils or shr-installer
Aug 17 12:46:45 <dos1> or other python-elementary apps
Aug 17 12:46:46 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 12:46:56 <farhaven> hehe, thx
Aug 17 12:47:01 <dos1> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/hardware/mechanical/ben/2009_08_17/device_inside.JPG
Aug 17 12:47:07 <dos1> real photo of Ben NanoNote
Aug 17 12:47:29 <dos1> and with closed lid -> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/hardware/mechanical/ben/2009_08_17/device_front.JPG
Aug 17 13:03:51 <farhaven> hmm, where's the doc of elm_win_add?
Aug 17 13:04:03 <farhaven> exactly that is missing from the api docs :/
Aug 17 13:05:32 <mrmoku> dos1, how does one use distutils to install a configuration file into /etc but respecting ${D}?
Aug 17 13:05:46 <dos1> dunno :(
Aug 17 13:05:53 <mrmoku> hmm
Aug 17 13:06:39 <dos1> farhaven: well, it isn't complete now, but i think it's about 80% documented
Aug 17 13:06:39 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: /etc/init.d/? or /etc/nm.cfg?
Aug 17 13:06:44 <farhaven> damn
Aug 17 13:06:51 <farhaven> any idea in what file that's defined?
Aug 17 13:07:01 <farhaven> i can't find it in the enlightenment trac :/
Aug 17 13:07:49 <dos1> farhaven: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
Aug 17 13:07:58 <dos1> farhaven: but images are missing ;?
Aug 17 13:08:06 <farhaven> yeah, i noticed
Aug 17 13:08:14 <farhaven> also, that doesn't answer the question i had in mind...
Aug 17 13:08:25 <farhaven> i wanted to know what window types are available
Aug 17 13:08:29 <farhaven> the examples only mention BASIC
Aug 17 13:08:42 <farhaven> i'd need a fullscreen window though, and i figured that'd be some special window type
Aug 17 13:09:39 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, /etc/dbus-1/cnetworkmanager.conf ;)
Aug 17 13:09:46 <mrmoku> (forgot system.d)
Aug 17 13:10:32 <dos1> farhaven: BASIC is good for you
Aug 17 13:10:37 <farhaven> k
Aug 17 13:10:39 <dos1> farhaven: python or C?
Aug 17 13:10:42 <farhaven> python
Aug 17 13:11:02 <dos1> farhaven: win.fullscreen_set(True) should be your way to go ;)
Aug 17 13:11:13 <farhaven> hehe, straightforward :)
Aug 17 13:11:14 <farhaven> thx
Aug 17 13:11:15 <dos1> it's used in shr-settings splash module
Aug 17 13:13:00 <farhaven> ah, here we go
Aug 17 13:17:31 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rde367ad3948f 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: add lowlevel config for fsousaged
Aug 17 13:27:00 <farhaven> is the keypad used to enter the simcard PIN available in python or is that a C-only thing?
Aug 17 13:27:30 <dos1> farhaven: it's custom SHR thing, not elementary
Aug 17 13:27:40 <dos1> farhaven: what do you want to do?
Aug 17 13:28:22 <farhaven> i want to lock the screen by having this fullscreen window, and then have the user enter some pin number to unlock it
Aug 17 13:28:51 <dos1> you can use just elementary Buttons in Table 
Aug 17 13:28:59 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: ...today
Aug 17 13:29:03 <farhaven> yeah, but that looks ugly :)
Aug 17 13:29:11 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: ...tomorrow
Aug 17 13:29:36 <DocScrutinizer> even better :-P
Aug 17 13:30:12 <dos1> farhaven: well, you can also use edj file with keypad from shr using python-edje
Aug 17 13:30:30 <dos1> farhaven: but i won't help you with that, as i didn't things like that yet
Aug 17 13:30:39 <DocScrutinizer> whom do you want to be tomorrow?
Aug 17 13:30:39 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: but what today (or tomorrow)? ;)
Aug 17 13:30:51 <dos1> aaah
Aug 17 13:30:52 <farhaven> hmm, yeah
Aug 17 13:30:56 <farhaven> i'll give it a shot
Aug 17 13:30:57 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: well, it's fixed ;>
Aug 17 13:31:10 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i think just package isn't regenerated
Aug 17 13:31:31 <dos1> (or i didn't push that, checking)
Aug 17 13:31:46 <dos1> no, it's pushed
Aug 17 13:31:56 <dos1> commit "Redmond destroyed! Destroying Redmond references too! (oh, wait... It was only dream ;'( )"
Aug 17 13:31:57 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 13:32:05 <dos1> with commitdiff:
Aug 17 13:32:06 <dos1> -        lab.label_set('What do you want to do today?')
Aug 17 13:32:08 <dos1> +        lab.label_set('Select action from list below:')
Aug 17 13:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 17 13:32:23 <DocScrutinizer> :)
Aug 17 13:38:08 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * ra8e7f4206de4 10/data/po/pl/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update polish translation
Aug 17 13:38:18 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r8d7080d96b26 10/data/po/shr-settings.pot: [po] update pot file
Aug 17 13:54:30 <mrmoku> for p in `opkg list_installed | grep connman | awk '{print $1}'`; do opkg -
Aug 17 13:54:33 <mrmoku> force-depends remove $p; done
Aug 17 13:54:33 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 17 14:03:17 <Mirv> Weiss: awesomeness. starting Xorg and various programs now works without crashing! all text in GTK programs is garbled and various other graphical glitches, but interestingly eg. Zhone is completely correct looking
Aug 17 14:04:09 <Mirv> Weiss: unfortunately for some reason I still get unbacktraceable segfault soon at startup when launching X via nodm (which uses /usr/bin/X instead of /usr/bin/Xorg)
Aug 17 14:04:25 <Mirv> but this is quite cool advancement
Aug 17 14:04:27 <Weiss> Mirv: cool :D.. yeah, the "glitches" are because accelerated operations aren't yet being synchronised w.r.t. unaccelerated operations. things which redraw the whole screen in an unaccelerated fashion will work properly
Aug 17 14:04:50 <Weiss> hmm.. no backtrace at all, or is there an indication of which function? (memcpy?)
Aug 17 14:05:01 <Mirv> it's the memcpy again, yes
Aug 17 14:05:38 <Weiss> ok, that's the same one i'm looking at at the moment. probably there's another corner case in the pixmap handling which isn't properly handled
Aug 17 14:06:45 <Weiss> also, it crashes after resume from suspend.. haven't managed to get a backtrace for that yet (it may involve a debug board)
Aug 17 14:06:56 <Mirv> any idea why it matters if Xorg is started directly or via nodm wrapper?
Aug 17 14:08:43 <Weiss> in yor environment, are different programs started in each case? that's certainly the case for me
Aug 17 14:10:38 <Mirv> well, I now launched /usr/bin/X manually and launched everything I have in .xsession and it still works. doing /etc/init.d/nodm seems to crash before it gets to start any programs. hmm.
Aug 17 14:13:26 <Mirv> well, anyway, it works fine if starting via xinit, X, or Xorg
Aug 17 14:16:13 <Mirv> ok, it's the programs... it happens if I directly run ~/.xsession when Xorg is running. and doesn't give any backtrace either. somehow it's triggered only when the script executes those commands at full speed instead of typing those individually.
Aug 17 14:17:00 <Weiss> hmm, a timing issue..
Aug 17 14:22:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: http://blog.hackable1.org/ 
Aug 17 14:22:57 <Mirv> ok, matchbox-window-manager caused the segfault (memcpy). if I comment that out in .xsession, everything else starts fine
Aug 17 14:23:06 <Mirv> and I can starth matchbox later on, just not directly on startup
Aug 17 14:23:48 <Mirv> maybe it tries to draw something at a wrong moment...
Aug 17 14:25:54 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I need your help quickly :-)
Aug 17 14:26:12 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, nice
Aug 17 14:26:15 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, whatsup
Aug 17 14:26:22 <Ainulindale> Did you manage to sync testing?
Aug 17 14:26:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, nah... are you kidding? :P
Aug 17 14:26:36 <Ainulindale> Or is it still unusable?
Aug 17 14:26:40 <Ainulindale> Well I'm a bit busy these days
Aug 17 14:26:48 <Ainulindale> My girlfriend left for russia this morning for a month
Aug 17 14:26:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, the last one seems to be good
Aug 17 14:26:55 <Ainulindale> So I spent the week-end with her
Aug 17 14:27:05 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: "seems to be"? 
Aug 17 14:27:05 <mrmoku> tested it yesterday... and TAsn wanted to test it today a bit
Aug 17 14:27:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, seems = did not yet found issues
Aug 17 14:27:43 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Aug 17 14:27:54 <Ainulindale> I tried to find some time for GTA01 but as mentioned earlier
Aug 17 14:28:13 <mrmoku> yup
Aug 17 14:28:20 <Ainulindale> I mostly spent my time trying to calm my girlfriend :-)
Aug 17 14:28:35 <mrmoku> more important then gta01 :)
Aug 17 14:28:42 <mrmoku> s/then/than/
Aug 17 14:28:43 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: more important than gta01 :)
Aug 17 14:29:03 <Ainulindale> well yes but I seriously need to do that
Aug 17 14:31:15 <mrmoku> dos1, ping - what happened to frameworkd.conf? looks strange...
Aug 17 14:33:45 <Mirv> Weiss: yeah. I added "sleep 5" before starting matchbox-window-manager in .xsession and now KMS-Glamo-enabled Debian boots just fine, and it's even usable as a phone :D (zhone)
Aug 17 14:35:58 <Weiss> Mirv: interesting... i'm guessing it crashes on resume, though?
Aug 17 14:37:04 <enrico> Hello. I'm tring to set an alarm with org.freesmartphone.Time.Alarm.SetAlarm(bus_name, time) from vala, but I can't find a way to get my own, dynamically allocated, bus name
Aug 17 14:37:08 <Mirv> Weiss: just booted away to the normal side, but most probably yes if it does that for you, too.
Aug 17 14:37:08 <enrico> any hints?
Aug 17 14:37:22 <enrico> I've been looking for that apparently simple missing piece since 2 hours, to no avail :(
Aug 17 14:38:36 <Weiss> Mirv: ok.. thanks for the testing :D... i'm interested to know if it feels slower for you: there's an overhead in creating the memory mappings for unaccelerated rendering, which seems to be a little bit too significant at the moment.. (i think we can optimise it a lot, though)
Aug 17 14:39:02 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm?
Aug 17 14:40:02 <Mirv> Weiss: zhone did feel about the same, but might be slower if inspected more closely. what about the CPU usage when drawing, does the KMS-driver solve the problem of busy looping in the normal glamo driver, which I think cause(d) a lot of slowness as well?
Aug 17 14:40:10 <mrmoku> dos1, strange new stuff in there
Aug 17 14:40:16 <mrmoku> like [testing] disabled=1
Aug 17 14:40:19 <mrmoku> [testing.testing]
Aug 17 14:40:21 <mrmoku> and such
Aug 17 14:40:46 <dos1> mrmoku: i added it from example configuration from framework.git
Aug 17 14:40:58 <dos1> due to comments and being prepared to use scantype = CONFIG
Aug 17 14:41:46 <mrmoku> dos1, and is lowlevel_type = openmoko
Aug 17 14:41:48 <Weiss> Mirv: there's currently no waiting at all (hence the graphical corruption), but when we add it, it can be done by putting the Xorg process to sleep, so yes
Aug 17 14:41:50 <mrmoku> already working?
Aug 17 14:42:04 <dos1> mrmoku: i saw commit, so i think yes
Aug 17 14:42:45 <mrmoku> hmmmmm
Aug 17 14:42:50 <Mirv> Weiss: ok, sounds good
Aug 17 14:43:44 <Weiss> although it might end up waiting for too long due to the scheduling granularity. there'll probably be some happy medium..
Aug 17 14:45:49 <dos1> mrmoku: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blobdiff;f=fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala;h=459ff313aa26279896b4a257f689bed2a167b607;hp=8b603c03e50baaacdf23fce4e1eb183b47621572;hb=e70733ce85d7bb636b15d0cee1e63621480739c8;hpb=bc50f1627d32a6bbe7e26315893b73fe5717fd84
Aug 17 14:51:17 <mrmoku> dos1, I can see no openmoko nowhere?
Aug 17 14:53:31 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm?
Aug 17 14:53:50 <dos1> mrmoku: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commit;h=e70733ce85d7bb636b15d0cee1e63621480739c8
Aug 17 14:54:25 <mrmoku> dos1, ahh... better link :)
Aug 17 14:57:06 <mrmoku> dos1, bad thing is... we do not have fsousaged that new in our feed... but the config yes
Aug 17 14:57:24 <dos1> mrmoku: so? ;)
Aug 17 14:57:36 <mrmoku> dos1, so you BROKE MY PHONE ;)
Aug 17 14:57:37 <dos1> does that change anything?
Aug 17 14:57:43 <dos1> how? ;P
Aug 17 14:57:54 <mrmoku> don't know yet :P
Aug 17 14:58:08 <dos1> btw. build fsousaged ;D
Aug 17 14:58:17 <mrmoku> dos1, already started
Aug 17 14:59:03 <Gnutoo> hi, I'm doing fetchall again but it seems that  "NOTE: Fetch svn://svn.om.vptt.ch/trunk/;proto=http;module=essential-dialer" fails
Aug 17 14:59:21 <Gnutoo> I use angstrom + org.openembedded.dev
Aug 17 14:59:33 <Gnutoo> because SHR is not merged into main yet
Aug 17 14:59:42 <Gnutoo> even if it has started to do so
Aug 17 14:59:46 <Gnutoo> and is nearly complete
Aug 17 15:00:01 <Gnutoo> and I don't use shr branch because it has outdated things
Aug 17 15:01:26 <Ainulindale> such asN
Aug 17 15:01:26 <Ainulindale> ?
Aug 17 15:01:36 <Ainulindale> You can just mail a patch Gnutoo :-)
Aug 17 15:02:01 <Gnutoo> ok but...I don't know the good address
Aug 17 15:02:12 <Ainulindale> shr-devel
Aug 17 15:02:14 <Gnutoo> btw I've commit access on .dev
Aug 17 15:02:18 <Gnutoo> ah ok
Aug 17 15:03:01 <Ainulindale> So do I
Aug 17 15:03:08 <Gnutoo> ok
Aug 17 15:03:11 <Ainulindale> well just mail to shr-devel
Aug 17 15:03:15 <Gnutoo> ok
Aug 17 15:03:16 <Ainulindale> we review
Aug 17 15:03:20 <Ainulindale> and then you commit as normal
Aug 17 15:03:26 <Ainulindale> as easy as that :-)
Aug 17 15:03:37 <Gnutoo> ok thanks ...is it a high traffic ml?
Aug 17 15:03:43 <Ainulindale> not that much
Aug 17 15:04:21 <Gnutoo> ok I'll suscribe then
Aug 17 15:04:28 <Gnutoo> how's the migration to .dev going?
Aug 17 15:04:33 <Ainulindale> No idea :-)
Aug 17 15:04:41 <Gnutoo> maybe mrmoku knows
Aug 17 15:04:46 <Gnutoo> mickey knew
Aug 17 15:04:55 <schasch> hello: are those  mkfs-parameters still used for SHR?     [ mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d.../shr-unstable/tmp/rootfs/   ]
Aug 17 15:05:00 <Gnutoo> I should look at my logs but I didn't ask how fast it goes
Aug 17 15:05:07 <schasch> gta01?
Aug 17 15:07:40 <Gnutoo> mmm you seem to have the same file in the shr branch
Aug 17 15:10:15 <Gnutoo> ah ok it's not the shr dialer
Aug 17 15:10:23 <Gnutoo> the shr-dialer is called shr-dialer
Aug 17 15:10:36 <Gnutoo> mmm
Aug 17 15:11:23 <mrmoku> Gnutoo, methril|work was doing something regarding .dev
Aug 17 15:11:31 <Gnutoo> ok thanks
Aug 17 15:11:36 <Gnutoo> methril|work, hi
Aug 17 15:12:23 <Gnutoo> I'll try to find mickeyl's message
Aug 17 15:14:46 <lysgaard> I just did o opkg upgrade. My phone now hangs on the enter PIN dialog. I'm running a custom kernel
Aug 17 15:16:10 <lysgaard> Anything i can do to fix this without flashing
Aug 17 15:16:34 <Gnutoo> lysgaard, maybe look at the logs
Aug 17 15:17:19 <lysgaard> Wich one of them?
Aug 17 15:20:00 <Gnutoo> lysgaard, first what do you mean by hangs....can you ssh into your phone?
Aug 17 15:20:01 <lysgaard> Gnutoo: my ophonekitd.log is 50M big and contains litteraly thousands of this line repeated: ** (process:1435): DEBUG: sim_auth_input_view_hide()
Aug 17 15:20:21 <Gnutoo> ok
Aug 17 15:20:37 <Gnutoo> mmm...maybe a shr dev knows
Aug 17 15:21:36 <lysgaard> Gnutoo: What's wrong from a user perspective is that when i enter the pin on the pin dialog it stays on the screen "checking" forever
Aug 17 15:21:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, looks fine to me.
Aug 17 15:21:41 <TAsn> I haven't tested it a lot
Aug 17 15:21:47 <TAsn> though from what I tested it's ok.
Aug 17 15:21:47 <Gnutoo> ah ok
Aug 17 15:22:05 <wjbaird> While we're asking shr-dev's for help...   I'm running a 6 week old shr-u image, and a few days ago, my FR started ignoring the Power settings and dimming my screen after 5 seconds, independent of what I have in my idle-dim setting...    any ideas?
Aug 17 15:23:20 <lysgaard> Gnutoo: I can ssh intoo it, and there is no processes hogging cpu while it's hanging, so it's not an infinite loop. It's gotta be waiting for something.
Aug 17 15:23:43 <Gnutoo> I don't know well SHR apps...I only use them...I do not develop them
Aug 17 15:23:51 <Gnutoo> so maybe a shr dev knows
Aug 17 15:24:09 <Gnutoo> because now we've described the problem...so if a shr dev is listenning....
Aug 17 15:24:30 <d1b> Gnutoo: bother dos1 i think...
Aug 17 15:24:39 <Gnutoo> ok
Aug 17 15:24:50 <Gnutoo> for oe or for lysgaard's problem?
Aug 17 15:24:52 <mrmoku> lysgaard, I have kind of a similiar problem after upgrade
Aug 17 15:24:54 <lysgaard> !seen dos1
Aug 17 15:24:56 <dos1> check config
Aug 17 15:25:05 <dos1> check logs
Aug 17 15:25:12 <dos1> reinstall what needed...
Aug 17 15:25:34 <dos1> guys, that things are obvious!
Aug 17 15:25:49 <lysgaard> dos1: I did a full opkg upgrade, and replased all configs with maintainer
Aug 17 15:26:02 <dos1> lysgaard: full opkg upgrade from when?
Aug 17 15:26:20 <lysgaard> dos1: about an hour ago
Aug 17 15:26:32 <dos1> lysgaard: from when, not when you did upgrade ;P
Aug 17 15:27:15 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I confirm frameworkd.log lists "odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted,although power is still full. Ignoring" when MCB kicks in on recharge at 76%
Aug 17 15:27:46 <lysgaard> dos1: I did a "#opkg update; opkg upgrade" an hour ago. Is that what you're meaning?
Aug 17 15:28:22 <dos1> lysgaard: no
Aug 17 15:28:28 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: looks like correct result finally, right?
Aug 17 15:28:35 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 17 15:28:44 <mrmoku> dos1, ESC[31;1m[elm_main.c:567] elm_quicklaunch_sub_init() ESC[0melementary: ERROR. Cannot connect to X11 display. check $DISPLAY variable
Aug 17 15:29:04 <dos1> lysgaard: when you did opkg upgrade (or reflash) last time, before that one hour ago ;P
Aug 17 15:29:07 <mrmoku> lysgaard, what did you have *before* doing the upgrade
Aug 17 15:29:20 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm?
Aug 17 15:29:24 <mrmoku> dos1, and I get no output from X
Aug 17 15:29:31 <mrmoku> just a blank screen
Aug 17 15:29:32 <dos1> mrmoku: what's that?
Aug 17 15:29:41 <mrmoku> dos1, no freaking idea yet
Aug 17 15:29:46 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I guess if I wanted LED to go blue->red on this event, I could easily configure yaml-rules
Aug 17 15:29:50 <dos1> mrmoku: but where did you get it?
Aug 17 15:29:53 <lysgaard> dos1: Ah, i did a reflash.. just a sec..
Aug 17 15:29:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, what do you think about the newest testing?
Aug 17 15:30:30 <lysgaard> dos1: I did a flash 20090720
Aug 17 15:30:36 <dos1> lysgaard: oh
Aug 17 15:30:51 <dos1> lysgaard: you had to upgrade opkg before upgrading rest from such old image
Aug 17 15:31:04 <dos1> lysgaard: now you have probably broken lot of packages :P
Aug 17 15:32:19 <mrmoku> dos1, I upgraded... rebooted... had gsm problems... reinstalled some packages
Aug 17 15:32:24 <ajvogel> dos1: so its better to always do: opkg update; opkg install opkg; opkg upgrade ?
Aug 17 15:32:27 <mrmoku> and now e does not start
Aug 17 15:32:38 <mrmoku> I can just call Xglamo and it comes up fine
Aug 17 15:33:17 <dos1> ajvogel: from old images - yes
Aug 17 15:33:20 <mrmoku> dos1, and after some time I have the following in x.log
Aug 17 15:33:21 <mrmoku> <<<< Enlightenment Error >>>>
Aug 17 15:33:21 <mrmoku> Enlightenment cannot initialize its X connection.
Aug 17 15:33:21 <mrmoku> Have you set your DISPLAY variable?
Aug 17 15:33:32 <dos1> and it was described LOTS of times
Aug 17 15:33:57 <rtp> mrmoku: did you check your ip adress ?
Aug 17 15:34:08 <ajvogel> dos1: Im still fairly new
Aug 17 15:34:15 <mrmoku> rtp, hmm
Aug 17 15:34:29 <mrmoku> rtp, uhh... ouch thanks
Aug 17 15:34:32 <mrmoku> lo is missing
Aug 17 15:35:40 <mrmoku> rtp, you're my hero :)
Aug 17 15:35:42 <DocScrutinizer> there's no place like 127.0.0.1
Aug 17 15:35:44 <rtp> wow, lo missing ? 
Aug 17 15:36:03 <mrmoku> rtp, I was fiddling with /etc/network/interfaces... and got an error in there
Aug 17 15:37:07 <rtp> mrmoku: so it's your fault ? :)
Aug 17 15:37:18 <mrmoku> rtp, sure :)
Aug 17 15:38:05 <rtp> too bad. I was ready to blame connman for that ^^
Aug 17 15:38:22 <mrmoku> rtp, well... I kicked it and am running NM now :)
Aug 17 15:38:30 <mrmoku> that's why I was fiddling with the interfaces
Aug 17 15:38:37 <mrmoku> to make NM pick them up correctly 
Aug 17 15:38:59 <rtp> oh, no. not NM :(
Aug 17 15:39:14 <DocScrutinizer> .oO(ooooh)
Aug 17 15:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> rtp: ?
Aug 17 15:40:07 <rtp> DocScrutinizer: well, the few times I used NM (networkmanager), I got troubles so I don't play with it anymore :)
Aug 17 15:40:45 <DocScrutinizer> seems mrmoku has exactly same history with connman
Aug 17 15:40:47 <mrmoku> rtp, that's a mistake... it had a painfull history of evolvement... but matured quite a lot
Aug 17 15:41:11 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, I just think that NM is already much more mature than the connman crap
Aug 17 15:41:56 <mrmoku> rtp, and guess what... with NM I can plug in usb and it will bring up the interface
Aug 17 15:41:58 <rtp> mrmoku: vim/nano/whatever and wpa_cli are nicer tools to hande networks /o\
Aug 17 15:42:04 <mrmoku> and I can plug it out again and it will bring it down
Aug 17 15:42:12 <mrmoku> and that with the static conf from interfaces
Aug 17 15:42:17 <mrmoku> without any frontend running
Aug 17 15:42:22 * mrmoku happy
Aug 17 15:42:35 <rtp> ifplugd can do that too afaik :)
Aug 17 15:43:05 <mrmoku> rtp, and if I power the wifi it automatically adds it and finds my AP
Aug 17 15:43:09 <mrmoku> can ifplugd do that?
Aug 17 15:43:58 <mrmoku> now I need to convice F4t that I know what he should do next weekend ;)
Aug 17 15:44:24 <rtp> "with NM I can plug in usb and it will bring up the interface and I can plug it out again and it will bring it down"  <- ifplugd should be able to do that too
Aug 17 15:45:01 <d1b> rtp: /etc/network/interfaces CAN do that :)
Aug 17 15:45:28 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: sounds ike good news. Will mokonnect run on NM then? Or am I completely OT
Aug 17 15:46:13 <DocScrutinizer> aah, sorry. should read backlog
Aug 17 15:46:54 <d1b> DocScrutinizer: not really :)
Aug 17 15:47:27 <mrmoku> d1b, how?
Aug 17 15:47:59 <mrmoku> d1b, it cannot :P
Aug 17 15:49:08 <mrmoku> rtp, ifplugd is an interesting thing too though
Aug 17 15:49:30 <mrmoku> anyway... got to go shopping and finally get me some USB car charger
Aug 17 15:50:44 <rtp> PaulFertser: hi. Any opinion about adding a parameter to gta01_battery so that one can specify if the battery is 1200mAh or 850mAh ? it's affecting only the charge_* stuff, right ?
Aug 17 15:51:15 <PaulFertser> rtp: hi :) yes, it is.
Aug 17 15:51:33 <PaulFertser> rtp: possible but i don't see much sense in it since current readings are inaccurate enough to be useless.
Aug 17 15:51:52 <d1b> mrmoku: on debian it does :)
Aug 17 15:51:56 <d1b> :)
Aug 17 15:51:57 <d1b> eheheh
Aug 17 15:51:59 <rtp> PaulFertser: the readings are so bad ? :(
Aug 17 15:52:14 <PaulFertser> rtp: have you tried to monitor them yourself?
Aug 17 15:52:28 <PaulFertser> rtp: +-100mA is not something that makes much sense...
Aug 17 15:53:21 <mrmoku> d1b, it does bring down the interface and kills the default route for it?
Aug 17 15:53:30 <mrmoku> if it does that.... then it has some daemon running that does that
Aug 17 15:54:06 <mrmoku> anyway.... bbl
Aug 17 15:54:16 <rtp> I must admit, I didn't look at it. I was thinking that 850mAh vs 1200mAh was different enough to get false feeling about the current charge
Aug 17 15:54:50 <PaulFertser> rtp: it doesn't affect percentage
Aug 17 15:55:10 <d1b> mrmoku|away: eh no idea
Aug 17 15:55:13 <PaulFertser> rtp: in current driver percentage is f(voltage)
Aug 17 15:55:34 <rtp> oh, it's the lookup stuff ?
Aug 17 15:55:49 <rtp> +table
Aug 17 15:57:16 <PaulFertser> rtp: yup :(
Aug 17 15:57:19 <lysgaard> dos1: Okay. I've broken alot of packages... How to fix that?
Aug 17 15:57:38 <rtp> PaulFertser: I see. I was wondering its purpose. now, I know :)
Aug 17 16:01:04 <wjbaird> lysgaard: if you reflashed recently, it might be easiest to just reflash again, and update opkg first...
Aug 17 16:01:43 <lysgaard> wjbaird: Well, I've configured a lot of stuff.. I don't wan't to loose them
Aug 17 16:01:52 * wjbaird likes the joke about FR users flashing more often than pro photographers...
Aug 17 16:02:38 <wjbaird> lysgaard:  Hmm...   that does make it more difficult.    I have no idea if there's an easy way to recover from that...
Aug 17 16:03:19 <lysgaard> wjbaird: is it possible to reinstall all packages in some way?
Aug 17 16:04:20 <wjbaird> lysgaard:  do you still have the terminal history from your last upgrade?   If you can get the list of everything it touched, you might be able to force a reinstall of all of those packages...
Aug 17 16:04:43 <lysgaard> Nope, I don't have the terminal hist.
Aug 17 16:05:52 <lysgaard> wjbaird: What about installing  everything listed in "opkg list_installed" ?
Aug 17 16:07:07 <wjbaird> lysgaard: *shrug*   I don't know if that'd work.   sounds kinda extreme to me...
Aug 17 16:08:41 <lysgaard> dos1: Any way you know of to reinstall the whole system whitout flashing? like "opkg install (opkg list_installed)"
Aug 17 16:13:07 <ajvogel> lysgaard: not tested, but perhaps something like: opkg install `opkg list_installed`
Aug 17 16:14:12 <lysgaard> ajvogel: Seems like it's possible
Aug 17 16:14:32 <wjbaird> lysgaard: you'd probably need a '--force-reinstall'
Aug 17 16:14:42 <lysgaard> wjbaird: Yeah
Aug 17 16:16:57 <lysgaard> Wow, I kinda impressed myself :D. Here's a snippet that does the job:  opkg -force-reinstall install `opkg list_installed | sed 's/ - .*//'`
Aug 17 16:20:46 <lysgaard> One question. When opkg asks if you want to replase config files. it gives you four alternatives: Y N I O. What's I and O?
Aug 17 16:22:31 <ajvogel> guessing I is ignore
Aug 17 16:22:39 <tig|> lysgaard: If I remember correctly they mean Ignore and Overwrite
Aug 17 16:23:04 <tig|> So I is the same as N and O is the same as Y 
Aug 17 16:23:09 <tig|> from memory
Aug 17 16:23:19 <tig|> but it does say when it asks you
Aug 17 16:23:53 <lysgaard> tig|: Nope, it doesn't say what they mean
Aug 17 16:24:26 <tig|> lysgaard: odd I am sure it used to then 
Aug 17 16:24:49 <lysgaard> tig|: Should be fixed..
Aug 17 16:41:22 <dos1> root:$1$q94t685U$PCfjwpbizIv2D.kj6JEP4/:12747:0:99999:7:::
Aug 17 16:41:37 <dos1> that's /etc/shadow on my router
Aug 17 16:42:08 <dos1> (probably)
Aug 17 16:45:43 <d1b> dos1: thanks for hte password
Aug 17 16:46:12 <dos1> d1b: hehe ;)
Aug 17 16:46:31 <dos1> d1b: i would like to crack it
Aug 17 16:46:41 <dos1> as my router violates gpl licence...
Aug 17 16:46:44 <d1b> i forget what $1 one is 
Aug 17 16:46:50 <d1b> isn't it salted md5 ?
Aug 17 16:46:58 <dos1> and that pass != pass for my router
Aug 17 16:47:10 <d1b> dos1: sure ;)
Aug 17 16:47:12 <dos1> that's pass for telnet in one of local interfaces
Aug 17 16:47:31 <dos1> for linux (default interface has some custom os)
Aug 17 16:47:52 <d1b> k
Aug 17 16:48:13 <dos1> yup, it looks like salted md5
Aug 17 16:48:32 <d1b> dos1: if that's the case just throw john at it ;)
Aug 17 16:48:47 <dos1> d1b: hmm?
Aug 17 16:48:55 <dos1> ah
Aug 17 16:48:56 <dos1> john
Aug 17 16:48:56 <d1b> john the rippper
Aug 17 16:49:03 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 16:49:26 <dos1> but how long it will take? :D
Aug 17 16:49:57 <lysgaard> dos1: Looong time
Aug 17 16:50:13 <lysgaard> dos1: Or, depends on your specs.
Aug 17 16:54:29 <dos1> nice i have dual core ;)
Aug 17 16:54:30 <mickey|grrr> this is the year of dying hardware
Aug 17 16:55:55 <dos1> mickey|grr: tell us what happened :P
Aug 17 16:57:04 <mickey|grr> came back from work
Aug 17 16:57:08 <mickey|grr> my linux machine dead
Aug 17 16:57:15 <mickey|grr> thought it just shutdown for some reason
Aug 17 16:57:19 <mickey|grr> tried to turn it on...
Aug 17 16:57:21 <mickey|grr> nothing
Aug 17 16:57:39 <mickey|grr> opened it
Aug 17 16:57:43 <mickey|grr> checked all connections
Aug 17 16:57:52 <mickey|grr> looks good
Aug 17 16:57:53 <mickey|grr> still dead
Aug 17 16:58:04 <mickey|grr> unplugged everything, removed the power supply
Aug 17 16:58:10 <mickey|grr> tried to turn the PSU on
Aug 17 16:58:11 <mickey|grr> dead
Aug 17 16:58:29 <dos1> oh :(
Aug 17 16:59:05 <mickey|grr> this is the 3rd piece of hardware that died in 2009
Aug 17 16:59:08 <mickey|grr> that's too much
Aug 17 16:59:12 <mickey|grr> *sigh*
Aug 17 17:28:54 <lysgaard> mickey|grr: Is your box running in the fridge or something. Mine's meen running for 5 year's straight without any modification
Aug 17 17:33:05 <mickey|grr> been running since 2 years now
Aug 17 17:35:55 <dos1> knows someone good howto about connecting to bluetooth PAN network with freerunner?
Aug 17 17:36:10 <dos1> or, as always, i have to play with it lonely? ;)
Aug 17 17:38:26 <mrmoku> dos1, PaulFertser played a lot with it and enhanced the wiki page
Aug 17 17:39:20 <dos1> hmm
Aug 17 17:39:29 <dos1> mrmoku: ok, reading wiki page now
Aug 17 17:39:50 <dos1> maybe i'll try to enhance shr-settings
Aug 17 17:43:34 <morphis> heyho
Aug 17 17:47:23 <dos1> morphis: new widgets and calls in elementary!
Aug 17 17:47:25 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 17:47:36 <morphis> dos1: yeah
Aug 17 17:47:37 <dos1> progressbar, fileselector and lots of label_get, icon_get etc.
Aug 17 17:47:57 <morphis> great
Aug 17 17:48:24 <dos1> morphis: but i can't see them in python-elementary... :>
Aug 17 17:48:39 <morphis> dos1: I am still one the way integrating them :)
Aug 17 17:48:48 <dos1> and buttons can be disabled now
Aug 17 17:48:51 <morphis> but if you want, send me patches
Aug 17 17:49:31 <dos1> morphis: i'll start with disabling buttons, ok? ;)
Aug 17 17:49:35 <morphis> which stuff you want first in py-elm?
Aug 17 17:49:46 <morphis> dos1: alright
Aug 17 17:50:21 <dos1> morphis: you can do progressbar in this time :D
Aug 17 17:50:29 <morphis> jepp
Aug 17 17:51:07 <morphis> should be some minutes work if nobody will interrupt me (girlfriend is out ... yeah!)
Aug 17 17:51:38 <morphis> dos1: I saw you published the elementary doxygen documentation
Aug 17 17:51:59 <morphis> I took a short look and I think I don't write down the same stuff for py-elm
Aug 17 17:52:15 <morphis> because its all there and the method are the same
Aug 17 17:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> dunno about PAN. Not quite sure Paul did sth wrt PAN
Aug 17 17:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> 2009-08-17 18:41:22] <dos1> root:$1$q94t685U$PCfjwpbizIv2D.kj6JEP4/:12747:0:99999:7:::
Aug 17 17:53:51 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-17 18:41:37] <dos1> that's /etc/shadow on my router
Aug 17 17:53:52 <DocScrutinizer> [
Aug 17 17:54:11 <DocScrutinizer> do you suggest I should run cracker on that now? ;-P
Aug 17 17:54:20 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: yes!
Aug 17 17:54:45 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i'm already cracking it :P
Aug 17 17:55:03 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: take care, your pw exires as soon as 99.999 days!
Aug 17 17:55:07 <morphis> dos1: whats "cracker"?
Aug 17 17:55:18 <dos1> i would like to get into Linux on this router :P
Aug 17 17:55:35 <wjbaird> dos1: what kind of router is it?
Aug 17 17:55:41 <dos1> livebox
Aug 17 17:55:43 <DocScrutinizer> aah, so ok. I might consider to crack it then
Aug 17 17:55:44 <dos1> (some sagem crap)
Aug 17 17:56:02 <DocScrutinizer> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek sagem
Aug 17 17:56:19 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it's from my provider ;(
Aug 17 17:56:39 <dos1> it's fun story about that
Aug 17 17:56:48 <dos1> it costs 10 zl per month
Aug 17 17:56:51 <dos1> but
Aug 17 17:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> what's the name of that silly pwcracker tool?
Aug 17 17:57:12 <dos1> after ~3 months, i was changing speed of my connection
Aug 17 17:57:19 <dos1> and it seems they forgot about that crap
Aug 17 17:57:25 <dos1> and i have it, and i don't pay for it :P
Aug 17 17:57:39 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: john the ripper?
Aug 17 17:57:43 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: why not patch shadow instead? much easier than cracking
Aug 17 17:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Aug 17 17:58:24 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it comes from older firmware, when access to linux part by rsh was allowed
Aug 17 17:58:29 <dos1> now it isn't ;x
Aug 17 17:58:35 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Aug 17 17:58:48 <dos1> (it has two OS on it, that's some vxlinux solution)
Aug 17 17:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm pam_cracklib seems not exactly what we need
Aug 17 17:59:32 <dos1> and there is "hidden" service living on 192.168.70.2 :P
Aug 17 17:59:47 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha
Aug 17 18:00:02 <dos1> telneting it says "Linux 2.4.18 (vxlinux.livebox) (ttyp0)"
Aug 17 18:00:09 <dos1> "vxlinux login:"
Aug 17 18:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> nmaping
Aug 17 18:00:12 <dos1> :P
Aug 17 18:00:19 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Aug 17 18:00:21 <dos1> nmaping - only telnet and rsh
Aug 17 18:00:24 <DocScrutinizer> telnet
Aug 17 18:00:54 <dos1> but rsh says "Permission denied"
Aug 17 18:01:04 <dos1> on older firmware, it was possible to login to that other os
Aug 17 18:01:08 <dos1> telnet 192.168.1.1
Aug 17 18:01:19 <dos1> and to rsh from it
Aug 17 18:01:33 <dos1> but now rsh and telnet commands are not allowed in that other os :P
Aug 17 18:01:39 <wjbaird> dos1:  did you try admin/admin
Aug 17 18:01:44 <dos1> wjbaird: of course
Aug 17 18:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Aug 17 18:02:00 <wjbaird> dos1:  Just making sure...  :-)
Aug 17 18:02:07 <dos1> root, root; root, 1234 and some others
Aug 17 18:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> root/password
Aug 17 18:02:30 <dos1> even root/ass doesn't work :P
Aug 17 18:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> shiiiit
Aug 17 18:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> that's gonna be a tough one
Aug 17 18:04:03 * DocScrutinizer installs john
Aug 17 18:04:47 <Wonka> in soviet russia, john installs YOU!!
Aug 17 18:05:52 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?? john pulls opensuse-manuals and thunderbird-theme-oxigen as dependencies???????
Aug 17 18:07:14 <dos1> :DDD
Aug 17 18:07:17 <dos1> opensuse :D
Aug 17 18:07:23 <dos1> debian FTW <3
Aug 17 18:11:27 <morphis> dos1: progressbar is finished
Aug 17 18:11:51 <dos1> morphis: thanks :)
Aug 17 18:11:59 <morphis> now fileselector
Aug 17 18:14:15 <morphis> even finished
Aug 17 18:16:01 <morphis> now recompiling elementary
Aug 17 18:18:00 <dos1> morphis: i have disabled_set/get and icon_get in button
Aug 17 18:18:13 <morphis> dos1: ok, send patch to morphis@gravedo.de
Aug 17 18:18:32 * lindi- does apt-get --build source e17
Aug 17 18:27:32 <morphis> dos1: it compiles, I will check it in now
Aug 17 18:28:14 <dos1> morphis: sent, but check it before
Aug 17 18:28:31 <morphis> dos1: for sure
Aug 17 18:29:28 <morphis> dos1: compiles fine
Aug 17 18:32:21 <dos1> http://xkcd.com/624/ :D
Aug 17 18:32:32 <morphis> dos1: commited to enlightenment svn
Aug 17 18:33:03 <morphis> dos1: rofl
Aug 17 18:33:09 <morphis> nerdalert :)
Aug 17 18:36:29 <morphis> r41848 is the last relevant commit for py-elm
Aug 17 18:36:45 <morphis> so you can replace current SRCREV with it
Aug 17 18:38:06 <lindi-> mickey|grr: mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Hal fails with DBus.Error.AccessDenied -- should the dbus docs have information on how to allow introspection?
Aug 17 18:39:56 <PaulFertser> dos1: exactly PAN is what i did
Aug 17 18:42:24 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: he :-D
Aug 17 18:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: dos1 is fghting with john (1) ;-P
Aug 17 18:43:53 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: PAN is a bluetooth buzzword relating to the usage of several profiles, namely PANU (client) and GN (bridge) and NAP (router). Being GN or NAP is not different from linux POV, you get an interface where all connected PANUs bridged anyway, so you can run DHCP/NAT/whatever.
Aug 17 18:44:06 <wjbaird> is it expected that the SHR settings panel forgets your GPRS login info after you quit the panel?
Aug 17 18:44:36 <PaulFertser> wjbaird: yes
Aug 17 18:44:46 <PaulFertser> wjbaird: it auto-saves the info after successful connection
Aug 17 18:44:46 <dos1> wjbaird: it remembet it only after successfull connection
Aug 17 18:45:01 <PaulFertser> dos1: so, what about BT networking?
Aug 17 18:45:03 <DocScrutinizer> wjbaird: PaulFertser: no
Aug 17 18:45:14 <wjbaird> PaulFertser, dos1:   Hmm.   I made a successful connection - and it still forgot my info...
Aug 17 18:45:25 <dos1> PaulFertser: i want to connect to my router using bluetooth
Aug 17 18:45:35 <wjbaird> PaulFertser, dos1:   I'd argue this is the incorrect behaviour, anyways...
Aug 17 18:45:45 <dos1> PaulFertser: as wifi work when it wants :P
Aug 17 18:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> wjbaird: seems you urgently need a upgrade
Aug 17 18:45:59 <PaulFertser> dos1: BT range is quite limited :(
Aug 17 18:46:00 <dos1> and when *I* want it doesn't work :P
Aug 17 18:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> this was default some 3 monts ago
Aug 17 18:46:27 <PaulFertser> wjbaird: (incorrect) i don't care, i don't use shr anyway ;)
Aug 17 18:46:32 <wjbaird> DocScrutinizer:  I'm running the build from early July - about 6 weeks back.   
Aug 17 18:46:50 <DocScrutinizer> ok, so maybe 1.5 months ago :-P
Aug 17 18:46:55 <dos1> PaulFertser: i know, but i don't care
Aug 17 18:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> wjbaird: SHR develops rapidly
Aug 17 18:47:47 <dos1> that wiki page is one big mess ;x
Aug 17 18:47:56 <wjbaird> DocScrutinizer:  I like that...  compared to say OM2009...   However, it often develops so rapidly it's dangerous to upgrade...   Is it safe atm?
Aug 17 18:47:57 <PaulFertser> dos1: where? I tried to shape it a bit recently.
Aug 17 18:48:20 <dos1> PaulFertser: i think it can't be better without removing bluez3 info
Aug 17 18:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> wjbaird: dunno ATM, two days ago it was :-P
Aug 17 18:48:41 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: people on ml say that today it's again safe :P
Aug 17 18:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> for a 0808 image though
Aug 17 18:48:51 <dos1> wjbaird: but you have to upgrade opkg before rest
Aug 17 18:48:59 * wjbaird gets ready to do opkg upgrade -date '2 days ago'
Aug 17 18:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> not *to* a 0808* image
Aug 17 18:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> wjbaird: you should flash
Aug 17 18:49:50 <wjbaird> DocScrutinizer:   Ick.   I hate reinstalling apps...
Aug 17 18:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> yo - tha's why I maintain a script for that :)
Aug 17 18:50:43 <PaulFertser> wjbaird: if you're brave you can upgrade and fix the issues manually after.
Aug 17 18:50:44 <wjbaird> I'll try my luck with opkg update ; opkg install opkg ; opkg upgrade --- that should do the trick if I'm lucky, right?
Aug 17 18:50:58 <F4t> wjbaird, never do opkg upgrade
Aug 17 18:51:00 <PaulFertser> wjbaird: hey, i upgraded my slackware libc5 to redhat glibc once!
Aug 17 18:51:35 <wjbaird> PaulFertser: I'm somewhat brave...   and more importantly I've got a working OM2009TR5 on my usd...
Aug 17 18:51:50 <wjbaird> F4t:  what's the procedure then?
Aug 17 18:52:42 <F4t> theres a script that greps "list_upgradable" results and does "opkg install" on them one by one...
Aug 17 18:52:46 <F4t> i find it alot safer
Aug 17 18:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: you'll miss all the cool new stuff this way
Aug 17 18:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> like fso-abyss
Aug 17 18:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> and if I'm not mistaken, this will bork the system as well
Aug 17 18:53:58 <dos1> F4t: opkg upgrade is ok
Aug 17 18:54:01 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, how is it different from "opkg upgrade"?
Aug 17 18:54:10 <dos1> i'm doing it all the time
Aug 17 18:54:29 <F4t> dos1, i broke the shr and needed to reflash 4 times so far after "opkg upgrade" fun...
Aug 17 18:55:02 <morphis> dos1: do you update the SRCREV for python-elementary?
Aug 17 18:55:12 <DocScrutinizer> I#m not sure how it differs to upgrade, for sure it does to flash
Aug 17 19:00:22 <dos1> F4t: i didn't need to reflash at all
Aug 17 19:00:26 <dos1> never
Aug 17 19:00:36 <F4t> luckiest  man alive
Aug 17 19:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> bragard
Aug 17 19:00:49 <dos1> once i reflashed SHR to see how fresh image behavies
Aug 17 19:00:58 <dos1> but i didn't have to :P
Aug 17 19:01:11 <PaulFertser> dos1++
Aug 17 19:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> baaah
Aug 17 19:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> geeeeeeeks
Aug 17 19:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> you prolly also install a new kernel without any downtime or killing your uptime
Aug 17 19:02:55 <dos1> ;D
Aug 17 19:03:16 <dos1> well, lots of times i broke something
Aug 17 19:03:22 <dos1> but, man, that's Linux!
Aug 17 19:03:28 <dos1> you can fix that without reinstalling
Aug 17 19:03:43 <dos1> it isn't "Microsoft WinRunner" :P
Aug 17 19:03:55 <PaulFertser> dos1: (cell broadcast) i tried enabling it with AT command, it looked ok, but i didn't receive anything.
Aug 17 19:04:32 <F4t> dos1, ah, but can you fix anything without applying patches and recompiling
Aug 17 19:04:51 <F4t> dos1, or can you configure anything without examples online
Aug 17 19:05:04 <dos1> F4t: hmm?
Aug 17 19:05:19 <dos1> i didn't recompile anything at all
Aug 17 19:05:30 <dos1> only when i was implementing something ;P
Aug 17 19:05:47 <dos1> i even don't have bitbake environment on my pc, only on shell server
Aug 17 19:06:05 <dos1> and i use it rarely, only to test something before pushing to git repo
Aug 17 19:06:30 <dos1> the solution to most of problems is "think!"
Aug 17 19:06:31 <dos1> ;P
Aug 17 19:07:36 <F4t> "think", research, code, implement basic missing stuff, find logs, figure out whats wrong, find configs, figure out how to fix.... fun for the whole family :)
Aug 17 19:07:56 <dos1> "basic missing stuff"?
Aug 17 19:08:10 <wjbaird> like remembering your gprs settings?   ;-)
Aug 17 19:08:17 <dos1> find logs - it's well-known where logs are placed
Aug 17 19:08:20 <dos1> wjbaird: it's implemented :P
Aug 17 19:09:02 <dos1> F4t: "read logs, think on it, fix it" fixes ~80% of problems
Aug 17 19:09:16 <wjbaird> how about a contact index?  :-)
Aug 17 19:09:16 <dos1> other 20% are due to something broken in packages etc.
Aug 17 19:09:35 <dos1> so then "read logs, think on it, provide log to someone working on it, it's fixed"
Aug 17 19:09:38 <dos1> ;P
Aug 17 19:10:00 <dos1> and really, "opkg upgrade" had only ONE problem which was hard to solve
Aug 17 19:10:10 <dos1> that one breaking packages when upgrading
Aug 17 19:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> looool
Aug 17 19:10:16 <dos1> and it's already FIXED
Aug 17 19:10:16 <F4t> "read logs, think on it, provide log to someone working on it, have the priveledge of hearing "submit a patch and ill add it", then code it urself, submit patch"
Aug 17 19:10:22 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i mean solve for typical user
Aug 17 19:10:27 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 19:10:51 <dos1> F4t: did you hear something like that?
Aug 17 19:10:53 <dos1> i didn't
Aug 17 19:11:03 <F4t> dos1, everywhere :)
Aug 17 19:11:13 <dos1> only with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, which is acceptable as it's obsolete
Aug 17 19:11:47 <wjbaird> F4t:  I thought it was more that you hear 'oh, you just have to do <arcane magical incantation> - don't you read the mailing list?'
Aug 17 19:12:04 <dos1> F4t: that's bullshit, i always thought i'm lazy - but looking at how often people reflash i think i'm wrong with that ;P
Aug 17 19:12:16 <F4t> wjbaird, so true
Aug 17 19:12:33 <dos1> wjbaird: reading maillist is MUST
Aug 17 19:12:38 <dos1> i think that's obvious
Aug 17 19:12:56 <F4t> dos1, hmmmm..... fix voodoo problems due to update mechanism messing up random packages without lettig u know.... OR reflash....
Aug 17 19:13:00 <F4t> hard descision
Aug 17 19:13:08 <dos1> F4t: it's already fixed
Aug 17 19:13:09 <dos1> ;p
Aug 17 19:13:18 <dos1> F4t: and there was only ONE problem like that
Aug 17 19:13:38 <dos1> and that *ONE* is good argument
Aug 17 19:13:41 <dos1> but it's from past ;P
Aug 17 19:13:46 <dos1> and i can't find more
Aug 17 19:14:36 <wjbaird> dos1:  I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to read every post on the various FR/SHR mailing lists...    There's a *lot* of traffic...
Aug 17 19:16:02 <dos1> wjbaird: looking at topics is enough to know, if it's important or not
Aug 17 19:16:06 <dos1> it works great here ;P
Aug 17 19:16:47 <dos1> well, there is one exception i can understand with reflashing instead of fixing
Aug 17 19:16:53 <dos1> low-level people
Aug 17 19:17:16 <dos1> those who don't care about problems with frameworkd, they just want to test their new kernel driver ;P
Aug 17 19:18:35 <wjbaird> Ok - I've finally got my wifi up...   Took a reboot.   *sigh*   Just to confirm - if I'm brave enough, the proper process is opkg update ; opkg install opkg ; opkg upgrade?
Aug 17 19:19:11 <dos1> wjbaird: yup, but before "opkg install opkg" free some ram (you can shut down X and frameworkd for that)
Aug 17 19:19:19 <dos1> wjbaird: as you don't want opkg to break opkg :P
Aug 17 19:20:27 <wjbaird> dos1:  I assume having a 128m swapfile will be sufficient?
Aug 17 19:20:47 <dos1> i think yes, but for safety turn off X and frameworkd as well ;)
Aug 17 19:21:08 <lysgaard> why is opkg renamed opkg-cl in the latest image?
Aug 17 19:21:34 <dos1> oh...
Aug 17 19:22:34 <TAsn> lysgaard, we didn't want to get the users bored.
Aug 17 19:22:45 <TAsn> bored users = crappy experience
Aug 17 19:22:45 <TAsn> :)
Aug 17 19:23:24 <lysgaard> TAsn: Hehe, you guys :P Well, is there any logical reason, or is the logic irrational?
Aug 17 19:24:08 <TAsn> lysgaard, I *swear word*ed up, which caused someone else who cleaned up my mess to *swear word* up as well :)
Aug 17 19:24:56 <TAsn> lysgaard, so it's just a bug :)
Aug 17 19:25:45 <lysgaard> TAsn: Okay, i can live whith that =)
Aug 17 19:25:53 <TAsn> lysgaard, though as said in the topic
Aug 17 19:25:57 <TAsn> it's fixed now.
Aug 17 19:26:07 <TAsn> it was a one time issue.
Aug 17 19:26:55 <morphis> so I am off for today
Aug 17 19:26:56 <morphis> byebye
Aug 17 19:27:20 * TAsn is doing his written mot exam tomorrow so he won't be here today.
Aug 17 19:27:21 <TAsn> ciao.
Aug 17 19:28:28 <F4t> gl TAsn
Aug 17 19:28:28 <dos1> lysgaard: and it's already fixed...
Aug 17 19:28:36 <dos1> lysgaard: why people don't look at topic? ;x
Aug 17 19:29:11 <wjbaird> dos1:  will the upgrade update my kernel?   It seems to be grabbing a bunch of new kernel modules atm...
Aug 17 19:29:14 <TAsn> F4t, thanks, hopefully you'll get a motorcycle themed moko :)
Aug 17 19:29:15 <lysgaard> dos1: It was hidden for me, because it was so long. I had to mouseover to get it.
Aug 17 19:29:26 <TAsn> (you = everyone here)
Aug 17 19:29:29 <dos1> wjbaird: yes, it will
Aug 17 19:29:55 <wjbaird> dos1:  ah - sweet.  I thought I saw a discussion recently indicating that opkg couldn't do that...  
Aug 17 19:30:08 <dos1> why not? ;x
Aug 17 19:31:01 <mrmoku> hmmm
Aug 17 19:31:10 <mrmoku> hmmmmmmm
Aug 17 19:31:42 <mrmoku> ophonekitd dies when trying to suspend....
Aug 17 19:31:53 <mrmoku> dos1, which log to look at? :P
Aug 17 19:32:11 <dos1> mrmoku: ophonekitd?
Aug 17 19:32:13 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm
Aug 17 19:32:21 <dos1> mrmoku: i would check fsousaged ;P
Aug 17 19:33:05 <dos1> mrmoku: try to suspend by mdbus
Aug 17 19:33:45 <dos1> mrmoku: as we all know, ophonekitd + errors = unspecified behaviour :P
Aug 17 19:34:23 <mrmoku> yep... it crashed and got restarted
Aug 17 19:34:38 <mrmoku> gives me an empty resource list
Aug 17 19:35:28 <mrmoku> dos1, fsousaged logs to frameworkd.log?
Aug 17 19:38:20 <dos1> mrmoku: yes, it should
Aug 17 19:38:34 <lysgaard> I get this with the latest shr: ** (process:1428): DEBUG: list_resources()** (process:1428): DEBUG: list_resources_callback()** (process:1428): DEBUG: GSM not available, try again in 5s
Aug 17 19:38:41 <lysgaard> From the ophonekitd.log
Aug 17 19:39:09 <dos1> lysgaard: well
Aug 17 19:39:18 <dos1> lysgaard: you didn't say anything, which could help to solve that
Aug 17 19:39:45 <mrmoku> lysgaard, that is normal on startup... until frameworkd is up and ready
Aug 17 19:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> settings stopped,running unexpectedly
Aug 17 19:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> seems on inbound SMS
Aug 17 19:42:05 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Aug 17 19:42:09 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: oh!
Aug 17 19:42:16 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: that notice can be important
Aug 17 19:42:19 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i'll check
Aug 17 19:43:54 <dos1> hmm
Aug 17 19:43:58 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: no, it should be ok
Aug 17 19:44:31 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: probably some dbus signal handler isn't deregistered when closing some window
Aug 17 19:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> still setings segfaulted, not first time since 0808
Aug 17 19:44:56 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: and it tried to access to already deleted gui elements
Aug 17 19:44:59 <dos1> so it segfaults
Aug 17 19:45:09 <dos1> i thought i fixed all of those
Aug 17 19:45:14 <dos1> but maybe i didn't saw some
Aug 17 19:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> well be aware I didn't any user interaction, neither on settings nor on inbound sms notifier or reader
Aug 17 19:46:22 <DocScrutinizer> hears sms-sound watched screen -> "stopped running"
Aug 17 19:46:29 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: yup, i'm aware on that
Aug 17 19:46:43 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it would make sense only if you started shr-settings and didn't open any category
Aug 17 19:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> settings and prolly power opened
Aug 17 19:47:14 <dos1> but if you opened some category (and closed it then), it can segfault on some not removed signal listener
Aug 17 19:47:18 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: only power?
Aug 17 19:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> gprs
Aug 17 19:47:42 <dos1> so connectivity too?
Aug 17 19:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> thatyäs the name
Aug 17 19:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> both prolly closed again
Aug 17 19:48:29 <PaulFertser> dos1: so what about PAN?
Aug 17 19:51:29 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: Connectivity should be ok, now testing Power
Aug 17 19:52:03 <dos1> PaulFertser: didn't read it yet ;x
Aug 17 19:53:00 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: Power seems to be fine too :x
Aug 17 19:53:13 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: are you sure you didn't open any other page?
Aug 17 19:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> no, not entirely
Aug 17 19:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> heh it's just 8 pages. should be possible to track down to 1 with just 3 sms
Aug 17 19:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> ok, 4 for verify
Aug 17 19:55:17 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i checked every module which registers to signals
Aug 17 19:55:19 <dos1> :(
Aug 17 19:55:33 <dos1> so it looks more nasty
Aug 17 19:55:43 <dos1> bbs
Aug 17 19:59:02 <mrmoku> mickey|fixingHW, ping
Aug 17 19:59:40 <mrmoku> mickey|fixingHW, 2009.08.17 21:39:37.331 frameworkd.resource  DEBUG    (ok) done processing command 'suspend' for resource '<ogsmd.device.Device at /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device at 0x2886b0>' (new status=suspended); triggering next command
Aug 17 19:59:50 <mrmoku> after that fsousaged seems to die
Aug 17 20:01:06 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: (re)started settings, opened connectivity, connected and disconnected GPRS, closed connectivity, clicked phone ... -> stalled "loading 4 modules"
Aug 17 20:05:00 <ingi> Hi, can anyony tell me why 'opkg' is complaining about 'Invalid gzip magic' (I get that when I do 'opkg update' on locally built shr-unstable image/packages)
Aug 17 20:05:26 <DocScrutinizer> well that's the old frameworkd borks with GPRS disconnect issue
Aug 17 20:05:51 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: ^
Aug 17 20:06:30 <mrmoku> ingi, I have that when I forget to add my server to the neo's /etc/hosts
Aug 17 20:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> so wait a little more for reproduce of  settings segfault on sms
Aug 17 20:08:47 <ingi> mrmoku: Thank you a lot, that did the trick! I had already changed /etc/resolv.conf to use my nameserver so pinging my server was never a problem, but this opkg/Invalid gzip stuff was getting on one of my nerves...
Aug 17 20:10:10 <mrmoku> ingi, yeah... I remember I was wondering for quite some time too :)
Aug 17 20:12:48 <ingi> mrmoku, thanks again (me neo is downloading/upgrading/configuring...) :-)
Aug 17 20:13:55 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: reboot. settings, phone, close ->segfault
Aug 17 20:15:28 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, close phonesettings before the "please wait" vanishes ->segfault
Aug 17 20:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: this is 0808
Aug 17 20:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: guess you don't need a coredump for this one :-P
Aug 17 20:21:51 <mrmoku> dos1, do you have latest fsousaged installed (from this evening)
Aug 17 20:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: segfault on sms CND :-S
Aug 17 20:22:59 <dos1> mrmoku: i think yes
Aug 17 20:23:14 <mrmoku> dos1, check please :)
Aug 17 20:23:40 <mrmoku> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed | grep fsousaged
Aug 17 20:23:40 <mrmoku> fsousaged - 0.0.0.0+gitr385+e70733ce85d7bb636b15d0cee1e63621480739c8-r6.0 - 
Aug 17 20:24:32 <dos1> mrmoku: yup, i have this version
Aug 17 20:24:54 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: can you reproduce segfault on sms?
Aug 17 20:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> cnd
Aug 17 20:25:16 <DocScrutinizer> cnr
Aug 17 20:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> opened & closed all 8... nottin on sms
Aug 17 20:26:28 <dos1> :x
Aug 17 20:26:43 <dos1> i suppose it will be hard to debug...
Aug 17 20:27:47 <dos1> mrmoku: rebuild elementary-theme-niebiee :P
Aug 17 20:28:06 <dos1> john: guesses: 0  time: 0:03:33:31 (3)  c/s: 5160  trying: at6ams ;x
Aug 17 20:28:20 <mrmoku> dos1, and autosuspend works for you with that version?
Aug 17 20:28:29 <dos1> mrmoku: checking
Aug 17 20:28:43 * mrmoku building
Aug 17 20:29:12 <dos1> mrmoku: even manual suspend doesn't work
Aug 17 20:29:14 <dos1> debuging now
Aug 17 20:31:32 <dos1> mrmoku: after adding [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] and lowlevel_type = openmoko it works :P
Aug 17 20:33:40 <dos1> mrmoku: rebuild shr-settings too ;x
Aug 17 20:34:34 <dos1> i just wanted to restart ophonekitd by shr-settings, but i upgraded today i it's old version ;x
Aug 17 20:35:59 <dos1> mrmoku: it just autosuspended
Aug 17 20:36:00 <mrmoku> dos1, did you commit?
Aug 17 20:36:04 <mrmoku> (settings)
Aug 17 20:36:32 <mrmoku> (frameworkd-settings to avoid amiguities ;)
Aug 17 20:36:40 <mrmoku> s/settings/conf/
Aug 17 20:36:42 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: (frameworkd-conf to avoid amiguities ;)
Aug 17 20:36:48 <dos1> mrmoku: yup, it's commited
Aug 17 20:36:56 <mrmoku> ok, thanks
Aug 17 20:40:46 <dos1> but mickey|fixingHW's stuff with idlenotifier doesn't work :(
Aug 17 20:42:37 <mrmoku> dos1, ok, theme and config is in the feed
Aug 17 20:43:22 <dos1> thanks
Aug 17 20:43:32 <mrmoku> well thank you :P
Aug 17 20:43:50 <dos1> and what about shr-settings?
Aug 17 20:43:59 <dos1> mickey|fixingHW: ping
Aug 17 20:44:08 <dos1> mickey|fixingHW: a) how's your hardware?
Aug 17 20:44:18 <dos1> mickey|fixingHW: b) did you test that fsousaged stuff?
Aug 17 20:45:36 <PaulFertser> haha, when debugging in ar6000 enabled it doesn't expose the bug that unbinding doesn't release interface. Probably leave it on by default? ;)
Aug 17 20:50:19 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i really wonder what to do with ar6000 driver crap :(
Aug 17 20:51:06 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: hey, any ideas? ;)
Aug 17 20:51:16 <dos1> i would just love to being able to connect to my AP ;x
Aug 17 20:51:24 <dos1> as i said, it works when it wants
Aug 17 20:51:31 <dos1> but not when i want :P
Aug 17 20:51:48 <PaulFertser> dos1: hm, is it the same AP you couldn't connect at all lately?
Aug 17 20:52:02 <dos1> PaulFertser: yup
Aug 17 20:52:04 <PaulFertser> dos1: and of course you know about maxperf power trick
Aug 17 20:52:10 <dos1> PaulFertser: of course
Aug 17 20:52:16 <PaulFertser> dos1: so, sometimes it does connect even with .29
Aug 17 20:52:29 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: sweet :-) no, no specific idea.
Aug 17 20:52:30 <dos1> there was some time when it worked almost everytime
Aug 17 20:52:40 <dos1> PaulFertser: but well, i don't want to blame kernel for that
Aug 17 20:52:47 <dos1> as i didn't debug it properly
Aug 17 20:52:48 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i mean do you have any general idea what to do about that driver?
Aug 17 20:52:49 <dos1> and i don't know
Aug 17 20:53:27 <mrmoku> dos1, ahh, and TAsn will be happy :D
Aug 17 20:53:39 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: it's AR6000_WLAN_DEBUG that i enabled (retrieval of debugging info)
Aug 17 20:53:55 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm?
Aug 17 20:54:05 <mrmoku> the scenario thingie removed
Aug 17 20:54:33 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: right now, i don't have an official opinion about the driver :)
Aug 17 20:54:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, :)
Aug 17 20:54:45 <TAsn> I am.
Aug 17 20:54:52 <dos1> ;)
Aug 17 20:55:04 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: there're no official opinions at all anymore. But you spent quite some time anyway. Is it really awful crap?
Aug 17 20:55:11 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: (debug) doesn't ring any bells. maybe it changes the timing somewhat and you don't race or not so often
Aug 17 20:55:13 * TAsn is getting sick of all those useless road signs ;\
Aug 17 20:55:53 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: that it is. also, there's the limit that, no matter how hard you try, you can't do any better than what the firmware crashes let you do
Aug 17 20:55:56 * dos1 learned all road signs when he was something like ~eight years old
Aug 17 20:56:15 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i'm trying to understand wtf eth0 is still there after unbinding when that "debug" is not enabled...
Aug 17 20:56:45 <wpwrak> TAsn: particularly those with numbers below 200 in red circles are stupid
Aug 17 20:56:46 <TAsn> dos1, do you have a driving license?
Aug 17 20:56:47 <dos1> dunno why, but when my mom was taking ... road exams(? ;D) i really liked book for that
Aug 17 20:56:54 <TAsn> wpwrak, ++ :)
Aug 17 20:56:58 <dos1> s/road exams/driving license/
Aug 17 20:56:59 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: dunno why, but when my mom was taking ... driving license(? ;D) i really liked book for that
Aug 17 20:57:30 <dos1> TAsn: no, i still have to wait year for that
Aug 17 20:57:39 <dos1> (it's 18+)
Aug 17 20:57:48 <mrmoku> wpwrak, all signs with red circles are stupid :P
Aug 17 20:57:57 <PaulFertser> dos1: i successfully passed rules and regulations part for the driving exams 3 times in my life :)
Aug 17 20:58:01 <mrmoku> TAsn, write that in your test tomorrow ^^^
Aug 17 20:58:19 <TAsn> dos1, that's because you don't remember all the stupid signs :)
Aug 17 20:58:22 <TAsn> you'll see...
Aug 17 20:58:36 <PaulFertser> dos1: first, when i got my "A" license but i failed riding because i had pneumonia. Then ~half a year later i passed it again, riding well enough that time.
Aug 17 20:58:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's a multiple choice test :)
Aug 17 20:58:44 <wpwrak> mrmoku: the ones that tell you not to turn into oncoming traffic can be useful, though. of course, strictly in an advisory role :)
Aug 17 20:58:49 <PaulFertser> dos1: and third i needed to pass exactly the same test to get my B license.
Aug 17 20:59:02 <TAsn> PaulFertser, something funny:
Aug 17 20:59:09 <TAsn> I passed the same test to get my B license
Aug 17 20:59:18 <TAsn> I didn't have to do it again for my A2
Aug 17 20:59:23 <dos1> TAsn, PaulFertser: i don't know how i'll pass riding test, but theory is easy for me ;)
Aug 17 20:59:28 <TAsn> (which was ~2 months ago)
Aug 17 20:59:38 <TAsn> and now I have to do it AGAIN for A1 :(
Aug 17 20:59:42 <PaulFertser> TAsn: it was possible here too if i passed B first and then A not later than half a year.
Aug 17 20:59:50 <TAsn> dos1, it's easy as hell, but still...
Aug 17 20:59:59 <TAsn> PaulFertser, not, but what I mean is
Aug 17 21:00:00 <PaulFertser> dos1: are you going to get a motorbike :-O?
Aug 17 21:00:09 <mrmoku> dos1, hehe now it suspended... though with usb connected ;)
Aug 17 21:00:11 <TAsn> that it's ok not to pass it again for A2, but when it comes to A1
Aug 17 21:00:12 <TAsn> bah.
Aug 17 21:00:28 <dos1> PaulFertser: i don't plan it yet... maybe ;D
Aug 17 21:00:40 <PaulFertser> dos1: because you said "ride" i thought you plan too.
Aug 17 21:00:53 <dos1> PaulFertser: oh
Aug 17 21:00:57 <dos1> PaulFertser: that's my english ;P
Aug 17 21:00:58 <PaulFertser> dos1: it's fucking dangerous in Moscow :( awfully dangerous...
Aug 17 21:01:01 <dos1> s/ride/drive/
Aug 17 21:01:07 * mrmoku wonders if it is any good for dos to have a motorbike asuming he is riding it as fast as he's coding :P
Aug 17 21:01:18 <TAsn> PaulFertser, same here. :)
Aug 17 21:01:22 <dos1> ;D
Aug 17 21:01:23 <TAsn> it's dangerous everywhere :)
Aug 17 21:01:29 <PaulFertser> TAsn: not nearly the same
Aug 17 21:01:35 <PaulFertser> TAsn: want me to tell you?
Aug 17 21:01:45 <TAsn> PaulFertser, no ;)
Aug 17 21:01:50 <TAsn> I want to get my license
Aug 17 21:01:55 <TAsn> without being shit-scared :)
Aug 17 21:01:59 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: so, what to do about the driver in general? It sucks so much and nobody wants to touch it :(
Aug 17 21:02:08 <TAsn> and dos1 shit-scared is not a swear word :)
Aug 17 21:02:16 <dos1> :DDD
Aug 17 21:04:34 <PaulFertser> TAsn: you won't riding in russia i hope, so it's ok. One of the most dangerous things are cars doing u-turns from the ride side of the road. It seems to be "ok" during the night when nobody's on the road but bikers like to ride too fast :( Also we have plenty of very poor guys who work as a private taxi on crappy cars and not caring about anything, moreover some of them get used to live in the villages somewhere in the mountains where there's
Aug 17 21:04:40 <PaulFertser> ... nobody to teach  them road manners.
Aug 17 21:05:02 <TAsn> :|
Aug 17 21:05:13 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: thanks for your mail about the hid
Aug 17 21:05:29 <tim_abell> just having a go with modprobe uinput now
Aug 17 21:06:04 <PaulFertser> TAsn: and it's considered "ok" to drive cars at 80kph or more on ordinary moscow streets. And bikers often go as fast as they want. It seems that during the night the road is empty and everything is perfectly visible. But in fact it's not, especially u-turning cars.
Aug 17 21:06:20 <TAsn> scary.
Aug 17 21:06:21 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: let's see, but it's definetely a missing part.
Aug 17 21:06:50 <tim_abell> I haven't updated for a while, is there anything new I need?
Aug 17 21:06:54 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i drive my car 80kph myself whenever it feels like it's safe inside the city and 110 outside (90 is usual limit outside).
Aug 17 21:07:01 <tim_abell> I'm quite enjoying a period of stability!
Aug 17 21:07:11 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: not really, uinput is there for quite some time.
Aug 17 21:07:31 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: new is opimd but i don't know how usable that is with dos1's test utils.
Aug 17 21:07:38 <TAsn> PaulFertser, spare the motorcycle's lives
Aug 17 21:07:39 <TAsn> :{
Aug 17 21:07:47 <TAsn> motorcyclists*
Aug 17 21:07:50 <dos1> ~opimd-utils
Aug 17 21:07:51 <bzzbot> it has been said that opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*.
Aug 17 21:07:52 <dos1> ~opimd-messages
Aug 17 21:07:52 <bzzbot> methinks opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon
Aug 17 21:08:18 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Aug 17 21:08:31 <PaulFertser> TAsn: so be careful, obey speedlimit, think about assholes all the time and wear _the_full_protection_ always.
Aug 17 21:08:52 <PaulFertser> TAsn: like racers do. Full protection, helmet is not enough.
Aug 17 21:10:46 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: I paired the keyboard and phone apparently successfully a while ago. Now, when I switch the keyboard from off to hid, and then type stuff on it, I see output from hcidump for each keypress. I'm presuming that means I don't need to run org.bluez.Input.Connect again.
Aug 17 21:10:55 <PaulFertser> TAsn: and too many roads here don't have anything to separate you from the opposite direction traffic :(
Aug 17 21:11:08 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i guess so, yes
Aug 17 21:11:16 <tim_abell> hmm
Aug 17 21:11:19 <tim_abell> no joy so far
Aug 17 21:11:32 <tim_abell> root@om-gta02 ~ $ lsmod | grep uinput   
Aug 17 21:11:32 <tim_abell> uinput                  8080  0 
Aug 17 21:11:37 <tim_abell> module loaded ok
Aug 17 21:11:51 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: do you have lsinput utility?
Aug 17 21:12:17 <tim_abell> uh, apparently not
Aug 17 21:12:17 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: or at least look at /sys/class/input/
Aug 17 21:12:25 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: there should appear a new device there.
Aug 17 21:12:35 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: probably you need to restart bluetoothd
Aug 17 21:12:38 <tim_abell> ls /sys/class/input/ ... event0  event1  event2  event3  event4  input0  input1  input2  input3  input4  mice
Aug 17 21:13:09 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: event4 is the last, so no new device apparently. Try restarting bluetoothd or at least reconnecting the keyboard.
Aug 17 21:13:19 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: (not repairing, just turn off and on)
Aug 17 21:14:58 <tim_abell> ok, done that
Aug 17 21:16:02 <tim_abell> http://pastebin.ca/1533029 ls -l /sys/class/input/
Aug 17 21:16:40 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: afaik there should appear another input device, event5
Aug 17 21:16:47 <tim_abell> http://pastebin.ca/1533031 the restart
Aug 17 21:17:27 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: aha, you paired, but you need to "connect" too
Aug 17 21:17:38 <tim_abell> ok, i'll try that now
Aug 17 21:17:41 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: btw, i put bluez4 instructions on the main wiki.
Aug 17 21:17:46 <PaulFertser> page
Aug 17 21:17:50 <tim_abell> ta, I saw
Aug 17 21:18:07 <PaulFertser> dbus-send is much faster than mdbus so should be used whenever possible.
Aug 17 21:21:25 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i don't have any BT HID device myself so i couldn't test the instructions. 
Aug 17 21:21:51 <tim_abell> pidof, nice. didn't know about that command
Aug 17 21:31:31 <DocScrutinizer> (pidof) it's mostly redundant
Aug 17 21:31:35 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: http://pastebin.ca/1533047 the connect command sat for ages then failed
Aug 17 21:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> as you have killall, ps -C, etc
Aug 17 21:32:39 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: try to repair then. Probably you used this keyboard with other devices and it lost pairing.
Aug 17 21:32:47 <tim_abell> btw, thanks for your help for this
Aug 17 21:32:57 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: Connect worked for you before, right?
Aug 17 21:33:11 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: welcome
Aug 17 21:33:12 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: well, i might have some time for it after gta02-core ...
Aug 17 21:33:38 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i bet it won't be soon ;)
Aug 17 21:33:48 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: or else you have an excellent opportunity to learn the subtleties of the networking stack :)
Aug 17 21:33:51 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: ok will do. i haven't used it with anything else. i think it returned without error. don't know if it 'worked' per se
Aug 17 21:33:57 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: trying to make it as long as possible ;-))
Aug 17 21:33:59 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: we need to hire Greg KH, like likes to maintain crap ;)
Aug 17 21:34:16 <wpwrak> heh, there's an idea :)
Aug 17 21:37:19 <max_posedon> mrmoku|away, hi! I want ask you for shr-launcher and intone-video to include them to feeds
Aug 17 21:37:47 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: btw, i'll quite possibly have gta01 soon :D
Aug 17 21:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: long time no see! howdy!
Aug 17 21:38:18 <max_posedon> hi! my live has some changes, new work and few other stuff)
Aug 17 21:38:22 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: hey :D whacha doin' lately? Is gentoo end-user ready finally? ;)
Aug 17 21:38:28 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: hcitool scan   ....   00:0B:0D:8A:35:62       FREEDOM KEYBOARD ....   ./simple-agent.sh hci0 00:0B:0D:8A:35:62   ....  Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Bonding already exists
Aug 17 21:38:44 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: use a dummy parameter to simple-agent to remove the bonding
Aug 17 21:38:56 <tim_abell> ta
Aug 17 21:39:06 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, I wasn't active last 2 months, as about gentoo - Gentoo Openmoko I think ready for Gentoo end-users)
Aug 17 21:39:06 <tim_abell> with the hci0 ?
Aug 17 21:39:20 <tim_abell> ./simple-agent.sh hci0 unbond
Aug 17 21:39:24 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: ./simple-agent hci0 00:0B:0D:8A:35:62 dummy
Aug 17 21:39:29 <tim_abell> oh
Aug 17 21:43:03 <tim_abell> PaulFertser:  http://pastebin.ca/1533072 oh dear i've broken it :S
Aug 17 21:43:47 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: restart bluetoothd then
Aug 17 21:45:38 <tim_abell> that's better http://pastebin.ca/1533073
Aug 17 21:45:44 <lysgaard> [SHR] Is shr broken at the time. I can't get the PIN dialoge to show?
Aug 17 21:46:47 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: yeah
Aug 17 21:47:26 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: i've told you the latest updates work well
Aug 17 21:50:22 <tim_abell> fnuh, my keyboard keeps turning off while i think about things
Aug 17 21:50:55 * tim_abell needs to think faster
Aug 17 21:50:57 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: No apps requireing the framework works. not even the settings app. Could it be that the frameworkd is not running or something
Aug 17 21:51:41 <PaulFertser> lysgaard: could be, yes, just check the frameworkd log!
Aug 17 21:51:55 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: There is none! :(
Aug 17 21:52:34 <lysgaard> PaulFertser: The only logs i have is ophonokitd, wtmp and lastlog
Aug 17 21:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> dfu-util for the lazy dogs
Aug 17 21:54:09 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: But, i just flashed the latest SHR, with dfu-util. No frameworkd
Aug 17 21:54:46 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: duh! so what's "latest" exactly then?
Aug 17 21:55:00 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: same result http://pastebin.ca/1533082  first attempt is where the keyboard had turned off
Aug 17 21:55:09 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: did you reboot after initial 
Aug 17 21:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 17 21:56:48 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Okay, here's what i did. I flashed the newest SHR, rootfs, and modules. rebooted several times. no frameworkd. Then i did "opkg install opkg; opkg upgrade" rebooted 2-3 times no frameworkd.
Aug 17 21:57:40 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: I tried pushing the bluetooth button on the keyboard (never quite sure what it's supposed to do). Currently getting "Error org.bluez.Error.InProgress: Device connection already in progress" from connect
Aug 17 21:57:42 <DocScrutinizer> hhhmmm, try again without installing modules maybe
Aug 17 21:57:52 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Althoug, i have /etc/init.d/frameworkd and "opkg list_installed" lists frameworked
Aug 17 21:58:05 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: What difference does that make?
Aug 17 21:58:43 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Would frameworked list in htop if i viewed for it?
Aug 17 21:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly sure about it. iirc I run it flawlessly without additional modules first time
Aug 17 22:00:20 <DocScrutinizer> ps ax | grep fram
Aug 17 22:00:21 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: so Connect method used to work but doesn't work now. Weird...
Aug 17 22:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: it's a python script
Aug 17 22:01:48 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: something like that. I'm way out of my depth
Aug 17 22:01:59 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: It does not list. Not even "ps ax | grep pyth" lists anything
Aug 17 22:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> strange. you used 0808?
Aug 17 22:02:42 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: my glimmer of hope is that I did manage to connect to and type on my ubuntu machine via a d-link bluetooth dongle at some point
Aug 17 22:03:20 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: 0808?
Aug 17 22:03:38 <DocScrutinizer> shr-u-20090808
Aug 17 22:03:38 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: are you sure bluetooth is properly powered all the time?
Aug 17 22:04:09 <tim_abell> http://timwise.wikispaces.com/freedom+universal+keyboard
Aug 17 22:04:27 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: yup
Aug 17 22:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: works for me
Aug 17 22:05:38 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Ah.. =( I'm really getting out of steam. It's like this phone refuses to work. Thanks anyway
Aug 17 22:05:52 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: you mean the keyboard or bluetooth on the phone? the keyboard does power off after some idle time, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't during the important bits. the bluetooth symbol on the neo has been there since I turned bluetooth on (with the lovely settings gui)
Aug 17 22:06:22 <tim_abell> the phone hasn't suspended at all
Aug 17 22:07:34 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: so you use fso resource policy stuff. Ok, should be good... I wonder what else might be missing... You might want to power-cycle bluetooth chip.
Aug 17 22:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> lysgaard: I suspect something went wrong when you installed modules. I suggest to untar the 88-rootfs freshly, (you're running off uSD, no?) then try without additional modules for a first test
Aug 17 22:08:55 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: you mean by turning bluetooth off-and-on-again?
Aug 17 22:09:06 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: yes
Aug 17 22:09:14 * tim_abell has never been one for internals of electronics
Aug 17 22:09:17 <tim_abell> :)
Aug 17 22:09:26 <tim_abell> okey dokey....
Aug 17 22:11:26 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: right, powered down and up. what shall I try now?
Aug 17 22:11:41 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i'd try Connect method
Aug 17 22:14:00 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: I'm not running on uSD. So what worked for you was just istall 0808, and the 0808 kernel, and go for it.
Aug 17 22:14:14 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Aug 17 22:14:19 <lysgaard> DocScrutinizer: Thanks
Aug 17 22:14:39 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: "Error org.bluez.Error.InProgress: Device connection already in progress" I think the keyboard might be initiating the connection when I turn it on
Aug 17 22:14:47 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Aug 17 22:14:56 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: quite possibly so
Aug 17 22:15:30 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: you can view properties with GetProperties call
Aug 17 22:15:47 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: or force Disconnect
Aug 17 22:16:32 <tim_abell> this is starting to make my head spin. it's getting late here
Aug 17 22:16:57 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: it's already very late here ;)
Aug 17 22:17:13 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: just try GetProperties instead of Connect 
Aug 17 22:17:23 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: or try Disconnect and then Connect again
Aug 17 22:18:26 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i assume you still don't have any additional event device appeared so it still doesn't work :-/ Strange. Wished i could try myself. At least it's easier than fucking ar6000 driver :(
Aug 17 22:19:59 <tim_abell> sorry, reality intruding, back now
Aug 17 22:20:58 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: getproperties - http://pastebin.ca/1533109
Aug 17 22:22:16 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: ahem, Connected false but "connection in progress" when you try to connect... i'd restart bluetoothd.
Aug 17 22:22:24 <PaulFertser> (no need to pair again)
Aug 17 22:22:31 <tim_abell> okay ...
Aug 17 22:22:51 <PaulFertser> sorry for looking like a shaman :(
Aug 17 22:22:52 <tim_abell> i'll turn the keyboard off while i do it
Aug 17 22:23:03 <tim_abell> lol, it's better than what I've managed
Aug 17 22:26:33 <tim_abell> PaulFertser: looks to be doing the same thing 
Aug 17 22:26:41 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: you might also want to try the same stuff on your PC (instead of stupid gui).
Aug 17 22:26:45 <tim_abell> connected: false. connect() just hangs
Aug 17 22:26:49 <tim_abell> good idea
Aug 17 22:27:14 <tim_abell> ok, i'm going to call it a night, thanks for your help. I'll try again as soon as I can
Aug 17 22:27:21 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: btw, you can stop bluetoothd and start it manually from command line with "-nd" switch, you'll have more info about what's going on.
Aug 17 22:27:32 <tim_abell> and i'll compare the pc to the phone
Aug 17 22:27:35 <tim_abell> ta
Aug 17 22:27:42 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: good night, see you.
Aug 17 22:29:56 * DocScrutinizer is a little angry his dealer hadn't the Nokia BT kbd last time he asked
Aug 17 22:30:20 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: you seem to prefer everything nokia now ;) 
Aug 17 22:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> just heard positive review abot it
Aug 17 22:31:06 <PaulFertser> Also "his dealer" sounds funny, like it's your tea supplier :) 
Aug 17 22:31:59 <PaulFertser> . o O ( my dealer got busted a month ago, what can i do now? )
Aug 17 22:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> it kinda is. I meet him every other night in the pub ;)
Aug 17 22:32:22 <PaulFertser> :)
Aug 17 22:44:39 <max_posedon> ffalarms doesn't work(
Aug 17 22:44:56 <max_posedon> e.g. it can't find scenario
Aug 17 22:49:56 <max_posedon> ok, fixed via creating symlinks
Aug 17 22:50:39 <max_posedon> mrmoku|away, check ffalarms sources plz, it trying openning /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state
Aug 17 22:50:55 <max_posedon> fast fix - create directory and symlink
Aug 17 22:57:23 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: have you used ar6000 driver debugging facilities? AR_DEBUG_PRINT? That's some screwed shit :-/
Aug 17 23:05:45 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: they seem to use it inconsistently, defining several different macroses with the same name for different parts of the driver etc. I wonder how can Atheros produce such a crap. They make some decent chips and firmware for them etc. How is it possible to not make at least an "ok" driver for them...
Aug 17 23:05:59 <PaulFertser> Where did QA guys look :-/
Aug 17 23:19:28 <knutmithut> hello
Aug 17 23:21:05 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: hi, it's late night, most devs are sleeping
Aug 17 23:21:22 <knutmithut> hehe, here not :)
Aug 17 23:21:40 <knutmithut> depends on which side of the world you are ;)
Aug 17 23:22:35 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: sure, that's why i said "most", not "all". And most devs are european.
Aug 17 23:23:15 <knutmithut> :) i'm european too, german.. but currently i'm in brazil
Aug 17 23:24:49 <knutmithut> hrm.. mokonnect won't connect :(
Aug 17 23:25:47 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: there was some script posted recently to community mailing list by Bill that allows him to connect reliably.
Aug 17 23:26:07 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: i'm currently trying to find some stupid race in the driver that prevents it from working correctly :(
Aug 17 23:26:22 <knutmithut> ah, your working on it?
Aug 17 23:27:09 <knutmithut> it's not so important for me, i just wanted to say, that there's something wrong.. and when you need a tester, i'm here :)
Aug 17 23:27:49 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: not working just trying to solve a reproducible problem. But Bill's script workarounds it anyway. Also you can do it simply the recommended way (FSO_Resources wiki page), just do rmmod ar6000 & modprobe ar6000 after each wpa_supplicant invocation.
Aug 17 23:28:34 <knutmithut> oh, thank you.. i'll give it a try
Aug 17 23:29:27 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: no guy though. GUIs suck
Aug 17 23:34:32 <knutmithut> mhh.. the "recommended way".. first execute the commands and then start mokonnect and connect? doesn't work
Aug 17 23:35:16 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: no mokonnect at all!
Aug 17 23:35:27 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: just fsoraw + wpa_supplicant
Aug 17 23:35:51 <knutmithut> ah okay.. uhm.. i have to look up again, how wpa_supplicant works..
Aug 17 23:37:54 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: just like everywhere, including your laptop
Aug 17 23:38:15 <knutmithut> sure, but it's long time ago, i had to use it :)
Aug 17 23:38:27 <knutmithut> i'm looking here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi
Aug 17 23:39:52 <PaulFertser> knutmithut: please look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
Aug 17 23:40:16 <knutmithut> thank you!
Aug 17 23:46:19 <tobii_> PaulFertser: the fso resources link needs to be in topic in #openmoko, every second asked about that
Aug 17 23:47:47 <knutmithut> i never heard about it, until now :)
Aug 17 23:48:52 <PaulFertser> tobii_: at least now i've written a wiki page and don't have to explain the same shit every time ;) Also i doubt many people read channel topic :)
Aug 17 23:49:10 <tobii_> :)))
Aug 17 23:50:30 <knutmithut> i do! :D
Aug 18 00:00:40 <knutmithut> okay, it works.. thanks guys :)
Aug 18 00:01:02 <knutmithut> i will go now.. friends will come over.. good night!
Aug 18 00:01:07 <tobii_> tgood night
Aug 18 00:53:00 <farhaven> phew, got my fine port of elock done
Aug 18 00:53:43 <farhaven> it now has missed call indication, one can set the pin to use by holding the aux button for 3 seconds, quick unlock without pin entering is enabled if an incoming call is detected and if the dbus lock state is reached, the screen is locked
Aug 18 00:54:01 <farhaven> plus, it has a nice background and one of those iphone-like sliders for unlocking the screen :)
Aug 18 01:41:57 <d-b>  /wind 3
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