**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 19 02:59:56 2009 Aug 19 04:01:56 Weiss: have you disabled tty=console, getty's and echo 0 > /proc/sysrq-trigger before the tests? Aug 19 04:02:10 Weiss: have you disabled console=tty, getty's and echo 0 > /proc/sysrq-trigger before the tests?~ Aug 19 04:46:14 hm.. anybody used a ftdi based jtag like we use for the moko on a mips target? Aug 19 07:44:49 morning Aug 19 08:32:45 fltk-dev: unsatisfied recommendation for libgcc-dev Aug 19 08:32:47 :( Aug 19 08:32:53 when doing opkg install fltk-dev Aug 19 08:33:37 I'm trying to get a gcc and fltk on my shr-u in the hope that a compiled program with fltk will be faster than a python + gtk app Aug 19 09:06:51 lindi-: nope, it was just a casual test :).. Aug 19 09:07:04 Weiss: you might want to try those Aug 19 09:20:03 lindi-: yep, that makes a difference Aug 19 09:21:32 actually, perhaps it's no faster, and just feels like that to be because i've been using an unaccelerated framebuffer for so long Aug 19 09:43:10 hello Aug 19 09:44:21 I'm trying todowload the latest SHR unstable kernel, but http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin is forbidden ? Aug 19 09:45:46 ^todowload^to download Aug 19 09:47:19 fwix: shr-testing? Aug 19 09:47:32 fwix: i doubt it's the latest. Aug 19 09:48:12 unstable Aug 19 09:48:36 fwix, the file doesn't exist Aug 19 09:49:32 try http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Aug 19 09:50:25 hah! Aug 19 09:50:32 g++ `fltk-config --cxxflags` `fltk-config --ldflags` hello.cxx Aug 19 09:50:33 :D Aug 19 09:50:57 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8499 Aug 19 11:50 a.out Aug 19 09:51:05 * blindcoder whistles happily :) Aug 19 10:07:53 time gives 13 seconds for pygtk hello world and 3 for fltk/C hello world Aug 19 10:08:07 sure it's unfair compairing scripting languages to a compiled program Aug 19 10:08:44 and yes, I've been clicking the quit button in both apps as fast as my reaction time allowed Aug 19 10:09:24 user time is 3.455s vs. 0.170s and sys time is 1.460s vs. 0.195s Aug 19 10:24:37 hi Aug 19 10:25:02 do somebody know what is the nickname of enlightenment's morphis? Aug 19 10:36:59 playya, thank you :) Aug 19 11:45:59 rt Aug 19 11:46:29 (sorry, cat jumped on a keyboard) Aug 19 11:47:18 * Weiss meows at Mirv Aug 19 11:49:45 Mirv: (in case you missed it) all crash bugs should be gone in the latest KMS Aug 19 11:53:49 Weiss: yeah, I will try it out later Aug 19 11:54:04 sounds good Aug 19 12:02:13 hi dos1! Aug 19 12:55:13 Weiss: how do you actually measure it? Aug 19 13:34:40 omg Aug 19 13:46:11 * DocScrutinizer ->ER Aug 19 13:51:46 hi Aug 19 13:58:38 hallo, wanted to build debian for SD..installation .hanging on fs installation... Aug 19 13:58:41 any idea? Aug 19 13:58:55 E: Package trayer has no installation candidate Aug 19 13:59:14 Package trayer is not available, but is referred to by another package Aug 19 14:00:49 lindi-: the resume time? nope. it just feels better that the desktop appears in a "snap" rather than getting redrawn (because all the driver has to do is set the scanout address). but i think the default driver does that as well.. Aug 19 14:05:32 ~weather EDDN Aug 19 14:05:34 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2009.08.19 1350 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 33%; Temperature: 86 F (30 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) (direction variable) Aug 19 14:05:58 +3 for downtown Aug 19 14:06:05 too much Aug 19 14:07:10 tomorrow even worse, and yes Spain and France as well way higher. Fsck Lina Aug 19 14:08:56 thank god I'm flying east soon ;) Aug 19 14:10:02 DocScrutinizer: if I can ask you. Do you have any advice how to limit four AA batteries voltage to 5V? (to not overload freerunner) Aug 19 14:10:10 blindcoder: Taiwan ? ;-P Aug 19 14:10:31 I have bought one battery charger, but it only includes: 1 switch, 1 resistor, 1 led, 1 black plastic case Aug 19 14:12:07 it costed me 13GBP;-\ Aug 19 14:12:09 lindi-: i was being very unscientific :) Aug 19 14:12:26 khiraly1: (limit) don't use more than 3 cells :-P (charger) so when used with a standard nokia barrel connector charger that sounds just ok for attended charging Aug 19 14:13:13 aah, no. even a resistor ;-P So use any 5V supply is ok I guess Aug 19 14:13:47 or is the R for the LED only? Aug 19 14:13:50 4*1.2V = 4.8V, the problem is, that when it is fully charged, it will be 1.4*4 = 5.6V Aug 19 14:14:25 aaah, NiMH cells Aug 19 14:14:31 that's tricky Aug 19 14:14:43 DocScrutinizer: russia Aug 19 14:15:19 DocScrutinizer: trying to get an HLR to work Aug 19 14:15:23 khiraly1: use 3 cells nevertheless. 3V6 should be ok Aug 19 14:16:27 for bat Aug 19 14:16:37 prolly not for USB Aug 19 14:16:45 R is just for the led Aug 19 14:16:45 though you may try Aug 19 14:17:04 I want to charge the freerunner from these batteries (if it wasnt obvious enough;) Aug 19 14:17:28 Weiss: I was now able to remove the sleep before starting matchbox, so indeed that crasher (also) has gone away. however, resuming from first suspend gave weird color (bluish cast to grey and otherwise strange too), and now on further attempts it's all white screen. Aug 19 14:17:58 Weiss: it's still functional, backlights dims after a while and I can do further suspend-resume cycles normally. ssh also works. Aug 19 14:18:07 so basically what I got is a battery case without any electricity Aug 19 14:18:36 khiraly1: 5V5 ABS MAX USB! U might use series diode that has a voltage drop of ~0V7 Aug 19 14:19:29 but you need a resistor to consume some mA even if FR stops USB in-current. Otherwise fries Aug 19 14:19:47 So Im thinking between these solutions: 1. DCDC converter, 2. comparator with a resistor 3. 7805 Aug 19 14:20:11 1. DCDC converter requires many components and has an efficiency of ~60-80% Aug 19 14:20:17 * blindcoder is charging his FR with a FreeLoader ;) Aug 19 14:20:37 3. 7805 cant work below of 7V (?), and requires large capacitor Aug 19 14:20:58 DocScrutinizer a 5.5V zene diode can work Aug 19 14:21:00 no? Aug 19 14:21:07 no Aug 19 14:21:41 so my need is only if the voltage above 5.5V cut it down. Thats it Aug 19 14:21:48 you need a series R and that circuit will eat LOTS of energy all the time Aug 19 14:22:12 like a voltage divider? Aug 19 14:22:26 that's the idea Aug 19 14:22:32 ups Aug 19 14:22:36 and it's deprecated Aug 19 14:22:40 ok Aug 19 14:22:45 so what is the best practice? Aug 19 14:22:52 use a series diode Aug 19 14:23:11 Im asking, because I bought 4 usb charger in total, but one is crappier than other Aug 19 14:23:13 to drop 0V7 regardless of current Aug 19 14:23:35 aham Aug 19 14:24:10 but in that case I cant charge the freerunner until the end of battery. Aug 19 14:24:23 I will always have some energy left in the batteries ... no? Aug 19 14:24:49 NiMH have next to 0 voltage drop over discharge Aug 19 14:24:58 excelletn Aug 19 14:25:42 and FR should charge with 4V5 at USB Aug 19 14:25:49 btw, how 'airplane'-safe is turning off the gsm antenna with shr-settings? Aug 19 14:25:54 I think (not confirmed) Aug 19 14:26:00 I'd like to plot my flight with the FR on sunday Aug 19 14:26:12 so an 1n4007 (1A 1000V) diode is good, no? Aug 19 14:26:27 blindcoder: don't worry. Should work Aug 19 14:26:36 DocScrutinizer: nice ;) Aug 19 14:26:46 it costs less then 1 eurocent Aug 19 14:26:49 khiraly1: yo Aug 19 14:27:46 just out of curiosity Aug 19 14:28:03 I have also bought an usb charger which charges from Li-Ion battery Aug 19 14:28:29 I dismounted, it has two 3.7V Li-ion battery inside parallel, and they specify it is 3500mAh in total Aug 19 14:28:45 however I cant fully charge once the freerunner with it Aug 19 14:28:49 sounds good Aug 19 14:28:55 ooh Aug 19 14:29:05 and the freerunner has only 1200mAh 3.7V battery inside Aug 19 14:29:24 so Im curious what is the charger circuit efficiency of freerunner Aug 19 14:29:58 (I blame the usb charger, just its unbelievably crappy performance) Aug 19 14:31:54 khiraly1: (efficiency) <50% I guess Aug 19 14:32:27 blindcoder: works + gsm does usually not harm the airplane infrastructure (old myth) + i think it could be possible that you don't get a gps signal from within the plane Aug 19 14:32:56 I suspect the usb charger circuitry is rather crappy (efficiency less then 60%), not the freerunner's one Aug 19 14:32:59 you don't, bet on it Aug 19 14:33:58 so lets say, if the usb charger would be ideal. (3.7*3500)/5 = 2590. So if I would have a 5V 2590mAh battery (12950mWAh), how much energy could I transfer into the freerunner? Aug 19 14:34:28 Freerunner's capacity = 3.7*1200mAh = 4440mAh Aug 19 14:34:37 khiraly1: FR uses linear regulator for bat charge. Means the voltage diff 5V - 3V5 is "metabolized" to heat Aug 19 14:35:00 so if everything is ideal I could charge it almost 3 times (2.92) Aug 19 14:35:32 khiraly1: your equation are somewhat puzzling Aug 19 14:35:59 DocScrutinizer and what is the minimum charging voltage what freerunner still accept? Aug 19 14:36:02 4.5V? Aug 19 14:36:14 I'd guess yes Aug 19 14:36:46 so charging with 4.5V is much more efficient, than charging with 5.5V.... Aug 19 14:37:42 I have bought an another charger. It takes one battery. I charged the freerunner with it (in suspend mode) it charged 5hours, and the freerunner gained 21% percent Aug 19 14:38:17 after 5 hours the battery was out Aug 19 14:38:41 khiraly1: 1200mAh (bat) * 5V (USB with linear reg) = 6Wh for one charge. /bat charge efficiency ~0.8 = 7.2Wh Aug 19 14:40:45 DocScrutinizer: yepp, but my charger had 3.7V 3500mAh batteries inside (12.95Wh) Aug 19 14:41:00 and couldnt charge freerunner once Aug 19 14:41:06 yo Aug 19 14:41:10 It charged 60% in total ... Aug 19 14:41:18 :-( Aug 19 14:42:22 Weiss: ok :) Aug 19 14:42:59 but playing with your equation means also: four 1500mAh NiMh batteries could charge the freerunner once. Aug 19 14:43:00 either incredibly poor step-up converter eating 50%. Or the 3.5Ah are a lie Aug 19 14:43:10 and I can buy NiMh batteries as much as 2700mAh Aug 19 14:43:55 so carrying 2 set of 2700mAh batteries (8 in total) could charge Freerunner more than 3 times! Aug 19 14:43:57 * dos1 is back Aug 19 14:44:43 DocScrutinizer: dunno, the Li-Ion batteries was big enough inside. Like 80*80*4mm each Aug 19 14:45:01 khiraly1: 3pcs BL-5C would do the trick as well ;-) Aug 19 14:45:22 Or even better BL-6C which fit perfectly and has more capacity. Aug 19 14:45:23 Mirv: interesting.. possibly due to the wait/synchronization thing (or lack of) Aug 19 14:45:35 DocScrutinizer: yepp, but it would also wear out quickly the back plastic cover Aug 19 14:45:36 you had to reboot after bat swap though Aug 19 14:46:08 and I dont know how to charge 3 BL-5C Aug 19 14:46:08 khiraly1: can the back cover really be weared out? Aug 19 14:46:30 khiraly1: some of my backcovers seen >500 cycles without wear Aug 19 14:46:53 PaulFertser: Im affraid so. Mine feels considerably weaker when I bought it Aug 19 14:47:04 when -> then Aug 19 14:47:26 khiraly1: try and exactly count the nr of cycles. If eventually it wears, tell me your results and I send a new case to you Aug 19 14:48:13 DocScrutinizer: I want to repeat the experience with 20 freerunners;) Are you ready for that too? Aug 19 14:48:24 (if it wears you change the back cover for free) Aug 19 14:48:41 no Aug 19 14:49:10 even my resources are limited Aug 19 14:51:15 but I think the backlid sees some leveling during first 50 cycles, that stays and lasts Aug 19 14:52:08 ok. toying a little with the idea Aug 19 14:52:21 is there a charger for freerunner's battery? Aug 19 14:52:22 s/that/then/ Aug 19 14:52:22 DocScrutinizer meant: but I think the backlid sees some leveling during first 50 cycles, then stays and lasts Aug 19 14:52:56 khiraly1: Nokia noname 2. source Aug 19 14:53:15 the goal is heavy use of the freerunner for two days without access to main power (ie. wall charger) Aug 19 14:53:22 12hours/day Aug 19 14:53:24 DocScrutinizer: yup, 50 seems reasonable looking at my freerunner :P Aug 19 14:53:41 i have one of that small things which hold FR broken ;/ Aug 19 14:54:00 on bottom Aug 19 14:54:01 dos1: actually Im more worried about my power button. Mine looks a bit deformed already Aug 19 14:54:41 DocScrutinizer: and what is the exact idea? Having spare nokia phones which could charge the nokia batteries? Aug 19 14:54:42 i'm worried more about my screen - i applied protection too late Aug 19 14:54:49 and it has scratches ;P Aug 19 14:55:00 DocScrutinizer: FR can charge Nokia batteries Aug 19 14:55:09 s/DocScritinizer/khiraly1/ Aug 19 14:55:19 shit ;x Aug 19 14:55:40 khiraly1: in SHR it's even "supported-by-default" feature, as you can do that from gui Aug 19 14:56:02 dos1: yepp. But you didnt read the exact goal;) I need to use the freerunner for two days without access to the main power. (heavy use == 80% of the time the screen is on, gps is on all the time) Aug 19 14:56:39 oh Aug 19 14:56:41 khiraly1: what about running it from a pack of 3AA batteries? Aug 19 14:56:43 ok :D Aug 19 14:56:44 there are two concurrent way: 1. having an usb charger which works from AA batteries or intenal Li-Ion battery Aug 19 14:57:04 2. Having spare charged Li-Ion battery Aug 19 14:57:10 PaulFertser: it is not handheld anymore;) Aug 19 14:57:41 khiraly1: way 3: hook up 3pcs AAA to the bat contacts Aug 19 14:57:42 khiraly1: :) Aug 19 14:57:51 for the first way, I already bought 4 different brand, and I also ordered 3 another Aug 19 14:58:33 but DocScrutinizer idea is the best. Use a simple diode in series of 4 AA batteries Aug 19 14:58:40 it will have a constant 0.7V drop Aug 19 14:59:27 for the second way: Is it possible to charge Freerunner's battery outside of Freerunner? Aug 19 14:59:41 khiraly1: yes by any non-brand nokia-compatible charger. Aug 19 14:59:54 does exist nokia chargers which works as a wall charger, or should I supposed to have spare nokia phones to charge the batteries? Aug 19 14:59:58 why do you dislike to charge them with FR? Aug 19 15:00:06 khiraly1: plenty of them exist Aug 19 15:00:31 DocScrutinizer: because when Im on-site without any power access and freerunner ran out of battery, I need a fresh one, not a recharge;) Aug 19 15:01:07 khiraly1: but then you don't need wall charger ;P Aug 19 15:01:09 or a recharge with an USB charger which works from AA batteries (ie. does not require main power) Aug 19 15:01:18 khiraly1: the idea is to have enough of charged BL-6C on you Aug 19 15:01:31 dos1: yes but at night I cant charge 2-3-4 batteries with freerunner Aug 19 15:01:38 charge them at home with FR Aug 19 15:01:46 one after the other Aug 19 15:02:03 DocScrutinizer: yepp, but dont have enough time, especially while I sleep I cant swap the batteries Aug 19 15:03:15 so you definitely want the big block of 3pcs fat 12Ah monocells hooked up to FR's bat-contacts Aug 19 15:03:55 DocScrutinizer: it could work only if I would have a new case for it. Which looks professional (ie. not home-made) enough Aug 19 15:04:19 ouch, that's a tough requirement Aug 19 15:04:31 ;) Aug 19 15:05:06 ok. I research of wall-chargers of nokia batteries. (never seen it...) Aug 19 15:07:10 khiraly1: what you need isn't better/more batteries. You need smarter apps to reduce power consumption very first place Aug 19 15:07:39 nope Aug 19 15:07:45 or dunno Aug 19 15:08:03 I want gps all the time and screen most of the time Aug 19 15:08:57 gps all the time isn't identical to gps gets a fix every 10sec Aug 19 15:09:03 that pretty much concludes how much wokring hours can I achieve Aug 19 15:09:24 DocScrutinizer: I played with it. I cant have a fix in every 10 sec Aug 19 15:09:56 if I power off the gps chip (through fso), and I power on immediatly, I never received a new fix within 40sec Aug 19 15:10:06 it was more 40sec-6minutes Aug 19 15:10:29 and about 50-70sec in average Aug 19 15:10:38 yyo, still there is a chance to put GPS to sleep mode Aug 19 15:11:12 for uBlox chipset Aug 19 15:11:12 So I fear to power off the gps, because it can happen, to not have a fix for 6 minutes! Aug 19 15:11:36 although rarely, but it happened more then twice.... Aug 19 15:11:38 sleep mode != power off Aug 19 15:12:07 and I also want gprs too Aug 19 15:12:17 dunno if it has additional power requirements Aug 19 15:12:28 ouch! THAT eats bat like cake Aug 19 15:12:47 but not constant usage Aug 19 15:13:08 just sending like 120packet/day maximum Aug 19 15:13:30 1 packet contains less then 1kB data Aug 19 15:13:48 and I can bulk upload it Aug 19 15:13:55 hmm, you need to check yourself Aug 19 15:14:01 so lets say having 5 min operation/hour Aug 19 15:14:20 that's not THAT bad then Aug 19 15:14:53 active GPRS eats ~300..600mA Aug 19 15:15:57 so I need screen, gps, gprs (occasionally). no wifi, no accelerometer, no gsm (not sure) Aug 19 15:16:33 mere GSM standby is cheap Aug 19 15:16:34 freerunner can never sleep, maximum screen blanking. And can play with screen blacklight Aug 19 15:16:55 I expect about 4-5hour working time/battery Aug 19 15:17:10 hmm, I expect ~4h per bat Aug 19 15:17:15 yes Aug 19 15:17:20 So I need 3-4battery/day Aug 19 15:18:09 dunno what is better method: battery swapping or usb charging Aug 19 15:18:44 usb charging wastes ~60% of the energy Aug 19 15:18:46 64minutes of charging (with wall-charger) results 90+ percent charging state Aug 19 15:19:07 I measured it Aug 19 15:19:23 you messured wrong Aug 19 15:19:41 I measured while the freerunner was in suspend Aug 19 15:19:42 initial bat charge current is ~850mA Aug 19 15:20:32 even with 1000mA theoretical max, you obviously get 80% after one h Aug 19 15:21:06 even if CC tells different ;-P Aug 19 15:21:14 59minutes resulted 82%percent Aug 19 15:21:33 I calculated (projected) using this data Aug 19 15:22:04 however I only made the experience once (fully discharging the phone is not easy, takes time) Aug 19 15:24:12 yeah, I used the reported percent. Didnt digged more deeply Aug 19 15:28:01 can't connect trough USB(ssh) on the last SHR, something changed ? know bug ? Aug 19 15:28:30 does restarting the sshd work? Aug 19 15:28:33 dos1: ping Aug 19 15:28:40 khiraly1: my expirence is like: 60min=75%, 90min=90%, 150min="100%", 180min=full (108%) Aug 19 15:29:12 DocScrutinizer: and is it linear until 60min? Aug 19 15:29:22 kinda Aug 19 15:29:23 so 30min is 37% or more? Aug 19 15:29:30 Yo Aug 19 15:30:01 fastcharge Aug 19 15:30:32 and is the phone is in suspend, or powered? Aug 19 15:30:41 powered Aug 19 15:30:50 in suspend it charges faster Aug 19 15:30:58 otherwise hard to trace charge state ;-) Aug 19 15:31:10 minimaly fater Aug 19 15:31:13 farhaven, can do anything in settings :( Aug 19 15:31:14 faster Aug 19 15:31:24 from wallcharger Aug 19 15:31:31 DocScrutinizer: while freerunner is powered it eats about 100mA Aug 19 15:31:36 I think so Aug 19 15:31:39 farhaven, got a ophonekitd error Aug 19 15:31:41 considerably faster on 500mA mode Aug 19 15:31:46 * soltys yawns Aug 19 15:32:21 I did my experience: 1. plugged to wall-charger 2. suspended the phone using the power button 3. I looked at the percentage after 59 min. Aug 19 15:32:27 DocScrutinizer: how can i check if the internal gps antenna is defect or not? Aug 19 15:32:50 VDVsx: what's the last few lines of /var/log/ophonekitd.log? Aug 19 15:33:08 khiraly1: (100mA) yes, but bat charge maxes out at ~800mA, so on 1A USB that doesn't change much Aug 19 15:33:40 aham Aug 19 15:33:44 good to know Aug 19 15:34:14 BluesLee: try if you get a fix. if yes it's ok. if not and you get a fix with external ant it might be broken Aug 19 15:34:16 DocScrutinizer: i only get a gps fix with an external one, i tried several distros, removed the sd, tried fso-gpsd and gpsd and finally i opened the can Aug 19 15:34:17 lindi-: actually, i think the resume time is an illusion :( - it's unresponsive until it's redrawn, but the screen pixmap looks correct because it's stayed in Glamo memory. still, the effect is good Aug 19 15:34:24 farhaven, d-bus errors Aug 19 15:34:55 hum Aug 19 15:34:58 DocScrutinizer: one moment, i will reopen it and upload a pic Aug 19 15:35:00 BluesLee: so either the gpsant-module itself (incl cable) or your receptacle is borked Aug 19 15:35:08 VDVsx: i had those once Aug 19 15:35:15 second, maybe i can find my "fix" Aug 19 15:35:39 BluesLee: you can't open GPS can :-o Aug 19 15:35:46 hehe Aug 19 15:36:35 Weiss: it is what *every* phone on the market do Aug 19 15:37:03 it redraws the screen and, after 1-2 sec it refreshes the screen (changes the time for example) Aug 19 15:37:12 VDVsx: i think i found it Aug 19 15:37:15 you never experienced it? Its cheating, but everyone does it Aug 19 15:37:21 Weiss: cool feature anyway, much appreciated Aug 19 15:37:33 in /etc/dbus-1/system.conf, change the to Aug 19 15:37:37 and restart dbus Aug 19 15:37:44 that did the trick for me, though it's been some time Aug 19 15:37:56 farhaven: if you restart dbus then all applications that use dbus will just fail? Aug 19 15:38:59 right, ophonekitd has to be restarted as well Aug 19 15:39:09 or better yet, restart X alltogether Aug 19 15:39:15 farhaven: and hal? Aug 19 15:39:29 khiraly1: indeed. i personally think that we should "cheat" at this kind of thing a lot more often... Aug 19 15:39:59 lindi-: is that needed for getting ophonekitd to run? Aug 19 15:39:59 Weiss: yepp, actually there should be many more. Aug 19 15:40:01 i'm not sure Aug 19 15:40:20 Weiss: how about the idea of changing color depth dinamically? Aug 19 15:40:43 BluesLee: pong Aug 19 15:40:47 so if the phone is not fast enough fall back to 16bit, if it is still not enough fall back to black and white. Just like framedrop in mplayer Aug 19 15:41:50 Just like framedrop in mplayer -> just like framedrop drops images in mplayer (and keep the sound), we should drop color depth and only after drop images Aug 19 15:42:16 I lowered to 5fps in illume settings, and the phone is much more responsible. Aug 19 15:42:46 Personally I wouldnt care, if the color depths lowers while i scroll a list Aug 19 15:42:47 hehe, sneaky - and possibly made easy-ish by KMS (we can change the framebuffer sneakily if it's done in the blanking interval. that's how (eg) Fedora's slick bootup works) Aug 19 15:43:23 khiraly1: use some fast illume theme (nEo, sixteen or niebiee) and x11-16 engine Aug 19 15:43:31 khiraly1: it will be MUCH more responsible Aug 19 15:43:41 I already use x11-16 Aug 19 15:43:47 AIUI it's not X that's too slow in 24mode, rather it's apps shuffling blitblocks in and out, and rerendering everything multiple times. If that's still done on a 24base which then is reduced to 8 by X, that prolly won't help much Aug 19 15:43:59 dos1: btw, could you explain some elementary? Aug 19 15:44:21 s/you explain/you explain to me/ Aug 19 15:44:21 khiraly1 meant: dos1: btw, could you explain to me some elementary? Aug 19 15:44:32 DocScrutinizer: i think you might be right. i think that kind of shuffling is hitting the KMS driver's performance hard at the moment Aug 19 15:45:09 khiraly1: hmm? Aug 19 15:45:14 DocScrutinizer: the battery of my camera is empty, will take some minutes Aug 19 15:45:31 dos1: I lack of understanding how elementary relates with evas (canvas) Aug 19 15:45:38 DocScrutinizer: the latest EXA stuff (in the X server) has something called mixed mode pixmaps which might help with that, though Aug 19 15:45:41 dos1: i have no luck with gps but its independent of shr ... Aug 19 15:45:42 BluesLee: why do you think I need a photo? Aug 19 15:45:45 so can I have elementary widget to a regular edje app (evas canvas) Aug 19 15:45:58 khiraly1: every elementary object == evas object Aug 19 15:46:08 DocScrutinizer: maybe you see more than me Aug 19 15:46:24 dos1: curious.. do you know exactly what the difference between "software" and "software_16" is? Aug 19 15:46:29 khiraly1: yup, you should be able to do that Aug 19 15:46:33 khiraly1: AFAIK paroli does that Aug 19 15:46:36 dos1: does need the root widget of elementary always be an elementary.Window() ? Aug 19 15:46:48 khiraly1: i don't think so Aug 19 15:46:48 BluesLee: you checked the plug for correct seating? Aug 19 15:47:12 khiraly1: you can use elementary widgets in evas canvas and evas/edje objects in elementaty windows :P Aug 19 15:47:21 khiraly1: as elementary is edje/evas based Aug 19 15:47:22 dos1: in paroli, every window is an elementary.Window. And we edje objects using elementary.Layout Aug 19 15:47:52 there is an EvasCanvas class, but nowhere is used. Maybe there was some ongoing work Aug 19 15:47:53 heavy motorcycles are so much fun! :) Aug 19 15:48:00 * TAsn enjoyed his lesson today. Aug 19 15:48:05 DocScrutinizer: yes, i replugged it to be sure Aug 19 15:48:10 Weiss: software = x11, software_16 = x11-16 Aug 19 15:48:29 Weiss: x11-16 uses 16bit color depth and has smooth-scaling disabled Aug 19 15:49:15 Weiss: about more - you should ask raster ;) Aug 19 15:49:19 dos1: what I basically want: an evas, several evas.Image(), evas.Rectangle, evas.Line on it, an edje gui on top of it, and some elementary widget injected here and there Aug 19 15:49:42 khiraly1: should be possible AFAIK, but you should ask raster to be sure ;) Aug 19 15:50:34 and also there is a total lack of elementary apps on the net. codesearch.google.com does not returns any usefull Aug 19 15:51:23 dos1: oh, and if your elementary app is initialized, how can you change (dynamically) the engine? (x11 vs. x11-16) Aug 19 15:53:02 I have read on the shr's tweak page, about /etc/profile.d/set-elm-engine.sh, but its not written when it is exactly exported, etc Aug 19 15:53:43 khiraly1, probably before elm_init or elm_loop (no idea about elm though it's just an educated guess which is easy to check...) Aug 19 15:54:08 I lack some demo app Aug 19 15:58:49 DocScrutinizer: thanks for you battery helps Aug 19 15:58:55 yw Aug 19 15:59:14 DocScrutinizer: http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=19.08XJPX4qC3jpPYgdt.jpg Aug 19 16:00:35 BluesLee: other side please Aug 19 16:01:09 BluesLee: btw the adverts suck :-( Aug 19 16:02:17 DocScrutinizer: sorry, i googled for "bilder hochladen":-) http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=19.08mIslKHltgjrOzoH.jpg Aug 19 16:02:27 DocScrutinizer: gratis sms? Aug 19 16:03:39 oh, the animation just loaded. You are right, this shitty gif encoding ruins the details Aug 19 16:03:41 DocScrutinizer: the cable is a bit loose-fitting Aug 19 16:03:47 BluesLee: don't see anything particularly fishy Aug 19 16:04:04 that might be a problem though Aug 19 16:04:11 khiraly1: i dont see any advertisment there:-) Aug 19 16:04:57 "Sie suchen einem Seitensprung?", dunno what Seitensprung means... Aug 19 16:04:58 ;) Aug 19 16:04:59 DocScrutinizer: maybe i should solder it Aug 19 16:05:18 you may try. I also might send you a spare Aug 19 16:05:25 khiraly1: i block java scripts via a lugin Aug 19 16:05:35 (if those dozens I got here really fit) Aug 19 16:05:46 (never tried so far) Aug 19 16:06:42 DocScrutinizer: that sounds very good:-) Aug 19 16:07:50 DocScrutinizer: do you have a paypal account? Aug 19 16:08:31 DocScrutinizer: first i will try soldering this weekend Aug 19 16:09:45 filesharing causes less CO2 emissions;) Aug 19 16:09:55 what a news.... Aug 19 16:12:29 smokers pay less for their rent (as they don't live as long thus cost less). THAT's news ;-) Aug 19 16:14:41 dos1: PIIING Aug 19 16:15:20 DocScrutinizer: POOONG Aug 19 16:16:17 I had a "missed" call this morning, but now it doesn't show up in phonelog :-((( I NEED THE NUMBER Aug 19 16:16:36 DocScrutinizer: don't you log all calypso traffic? Aug 19 16:16:57 DocScrutinizer: that one isn't showed or it doesn't show calls at all? Aug 19 16:17:03 lindi-: heh :-) but still.. Aug 19 16:17:14 This one Aug 19 16:17:57 dialler popped up, notifier popped up. call is missing Aug 19 16:18:09 in log Aug 19 16:18:11 DocScrutinizer: you can try with opimd-utils Aug 19 16:18:21 did I mess up my backends? Aug 19 16:18:26 opimd-cli ca query Aug 19 16:18:29 DocScrutinizer: maybe ;x Aug 19 16:18:39 SQLite-Calls should be default, not ogsmd-Calls Aug 19 16:18:55 (it shouldn't be even possible to set ogsmd-Calls as default) Aug 19 16:20:21 the last log entry is of 12-08, outbound. The one of today is missing, not sure about others (older ones) Aug 19 16:22:13 domain Calls: SQLite (default) \n ogsmd-Calls Aug 19 16:23:13 dos1: ^ Aug 19 16:24:34 DocScrutinizer: oh. i think i know Aug 19 16:24:49 DocScrutinizer: try "opimd-cli ca query", it should be there Aug 19 16:25:12 DocScrutinizer: if i think right it's already fixed in my experimental branch Aug 19 16:25:14 dos1: I suppose for opimd-cli I need to install some crap? ;-P will this break everything? Aug 19 16:25:20 (which is one more reason to finish it) Aug 19 16:25:35 DocScrutinizer: opimd-utils, but you can uninstall it after that ;P Aug 19 16:25:57 well, opimd-cli is just standalone python file Aug 19 16:26:03 you can even copy it from git repo Aug 19 16:26:08 k, you'll take responsibility ;-) Aug 19 16:28:46 dos1: you're sure "opkg install opimd-utils" won't pull in any nasty dependencies? Aug 19 16:29:14 DocScrutinizer: it depends on shr-settings, frameworkd, shr-theme, pyphonelog and python base stuff Aug 19 16:29:18 DocScrutinizer: all of that you should have already installed ;P Aug 19 16:29:57 yeah, but I really don't like to see it upgraded to a nonworking newer version Aug 19 16:30:26 especially frameworkd Aug 19 16:30:46 DocScrutinizer: then copy opimd-cli file from git repo Aug 19 16:30:50 it should also work Aug 19 16:31:04 (btw. i think there wasn't any changes in frameworkd) Aug 19 16:31:25 :-/ inconvenient with even terminal-kbd ;-P Aug 19 16:32:04 DocScrutinizer: you can also do "opkg -test install opimd-utils" :P Aug 19 16:32:09 os something like that Aug 19 16:32:33 --test, thats the option. just was about to read the info Aug 19 16:35:39 fsck, --noaction Aug 19 16:37:05 muhaha it ate the --test and installed opimd-utils :-/ Aug 19 16:37:15 ~lart opkg Aug 19 16:37:15 * bzzbot gives opkg a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Aug 19 16:45:31 duh, icons?? Aug 19 16:46:22 DocScrutinizer: mv /usr/bin/opimd-cli /usr/bin/opimd-cli2; opkg remove opimd-utils; mv /usr/bin/opimd-cli2 /usr/bin/opimd-cli Aug 19 16:46:24 ;P Aug 19 16:47:04 i should consider packaging opimd-cli into another package Aug 19 16:53:18 dos1: gimme a checkout command line for shr-settings Aug 19 16:57:00 khiraly1: url is on http://git.shr-project.org/ Aug 19 16:58:28 dos1: nope. not in opimd-cli ca query output either Aug 19 16:59:07 DocScrutinizer: really? did you check beginning of output? Aug 19 16:59:16 dos1: and OMG just checked frameworkd.log to spot the number - it's spammed with tracebacks Aug 19 16:59:28 oh :/ Aug 19 16:59:35 send me that log Aug 19 16:59:46 dos1: I did less / Aug 19 17:07:13 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rfde82098f52c 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gprs.py: [GPRS] fix updating status Aug 19 17:21:37 what was the correct incantation/URL for "... | nc foo.pastebin.ca 1234" ? Aug 19 17:25:22 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r2886550c49e4 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gprs.py: [GPRS] more work on status handling Aug 19 17:36:44 fsckng pastebin Aug 19 17:51:53 dos1: http://joerg.daubuster.de:8001/frameworkd.log Aug 19 17:54:27 hmm Aug 19 17:54:38 dunno why but new GenericDomain based opimd seems to be way faster ;x Aug 19 17:54:50 i accidentally fixed something, or what? ;D Aug 19 17:54:57 DocScrutinizer: looking at your log now Aug 19 17:56:09 dos1: but it wont work ;) Aug 19 17:56:39 soltys: it's the first time i tested it on neo today Aug 19 17:56:41 dos1: timestamp ~11:28 Aug 19 17:56:43 soltys: and guess what Aug 19 17:56:47 soltys: it works :P Aug 19 17:57:05 dos1: that can't be true ;P Aug 19 17:59:55 DocScrutinizer: there are only ophoned tracebacks, no opimd ;/ Aug 19 18:00:40 dos1: no idea. nevertheless this call doesn't show up in neither phonelog nor opimd-cli Aug 19 18:01:51 DocScrutinizer: what about calls after that one? Aug 19 18:02:04 had none Aug 19 18:02:43 DocScrutinizer: can you check? Aug 19 18:03:03 hrrrm, ok Aug 19 18:03:52 hmm, as i predicted, mickey|dinner is still eating dinner ;P Aug 19 18:05:01 dos1: nottin. Doesn't log outbound call as well Aug 19 18:07:27 is it possible that gui is slower after suspend than on fresh boot? Aug 19 18:07:47 i think i noticed that again ;/ Aug 19 18:08:35 DocScrutinizer: interesting... Aug 19 18:08:56 DocScrutinizer: i see in log you disabled gsm. how did you do that? Aug 19 18:09:08 huh? Aug 19 18:09:34 didn't do anything like that Aug 19 18:09:39 2009.08.18 12:20:22.206 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled Aug 19 18:09:40 2009.08.18 12:20:22.256 ophoned.protocol INFO removing protocol GSM Aug 19 18:09:42 2009.08.18 12:20:27.697 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabled to enabling Aug 19 18:10:04 ophonekitd didn't crash? or didn't you restart it? Aug 19 18:10:13 hmmm, dunno. Was sleepy at that time Aug 19 18:10:21 well Aug 19 18:10:26 it wouldn't restart automatically Aug 19 18:10:38 maybe that caused something Aug 19 18:10:40 i'll check Aug 19 18:11:36 PaulFertser: i'm not sure, but i think UI feels slower after suspend/resume than on fresh boot ;/ Aug 19 18:11:40 if I did that, then to fix the issue Aug 19 18:12:32 means I already noticed it was missing in logs and maybe restarted modem Aug 19 18:13:05 via settings-phone of course (if I really did that) Aug 19 18:15:53 heyho Aug 19 18:19:26 dos1: ping Aug 19 19:04:17 morphis: pong Aug 19 19:04:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb808284b74e2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: Query manager: fix missing import Aug 19 19:05:04 dos1: did you included latest rev of python-elementary into shr-unstable? Aug 19 19:05:19 morphis: no Aug 19 19:05:36 morphis: we need to bump whole EFL rev for that Aug 19 19:05:38 dos1: and second question: you are currently working very active on opimd, are there any plans for calendar support? Aug 19 19:05:42 dos1: ah ok Aug 19 19:05:51 morphis: there is Dates domain Aug 19 19:06:02 quite simple ATM, Heinervdm was working on it Aug 19 19:06:03 dos1: already implemented? Aug 19 19:06:20 well, it works, but it's really simple Aug 19 19:06:27 if nobody is currently working on it, I want to continue it Aug 19 19:06:28 calendar specific methods needs to be implemented Aug 19 19:06:33 morphis: nice! Aug 19 19:06:45 cause I am currently working on a elementary calendar widget Aug 19 19:07:02 morphis: check Heinervdm's work Aug 19 19:07:14 he started doing some GUI in python-elementary Aug 19 19:07:26 dos1: is it in the master branch of frameworkd? Aug 19 19:07:34 morphis: no, dos/opimd-tracking Aug 19 19:07:39 morphis: but i think i'll merge it to master soon Aug 19 19:07:39 ah ok Aug 19 19:08:06 as i tested that branch for regressions today on my neo and it seems it works Aug 19 19:08:37 well, maybe i'll merge it now Aug 19 19:08:44 hopefully it won't break anything ;x Aug 19 19:09:19 :) Aug 19 19:09:49 Contacts and Dates domains are now based on GenericDomain Aug 19 19:10:04 Messages and Calls aren't, but they still work Aug 19 19:10:29 ~seen onen Aug 19 19:10:29 Zorkman: i haven't seen 'onen' Aug 19 19:10:37 ~seen onenBmap Aug 19 19:10:38 i haven't seen 'onenbmap', Zorkman Aug 19 19:11:01 ~seen onen|openBmap Aug 19 19:11:01 onen|openbmap was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 23d 22h 1m 6s ago, saying: 'dos1: it happened to me that the gps was not working. under shr, but under debian too. usually, a reboot fixes it'. Aug 19 19:11:18 been a real long while... Aug 19 19:11:18 morphis: but i didn't test how Dates domain work yet. i just checked if it breaks something :P Aug 19 19:11:28 Zorkman: isn't he on vacations? Aug 19 19:11:31 dos1: hopefully it will fix a few minor issues ;-P Aug 19 19:11:32 dos1: will check it Aug 19 19:13:02 so let's pray ;P Aug 19 19:13:10 merged Aug 19 19:13:35 :) Aug 19 19:14:00 i'll base Calls on GenericDomain soon Aug 19 19:14:06 dunno about Messages, it's a little more work Aug 19 19:14:53 for first time I will starting to work on a separate branch Aug 19 19:15:10 maybe we can push it when I have something working Aug 19 19:16:19 dos1: whats the advantage of GenericDomain, GenericEntry? Aug 19 19:16:20 so any suggestion how to fix phonelog welcome. I'm not that happy with the grep logs method Aug 19 19:16:36 they provide basic functionality for domains, entries like messages, contacts, dates? Aug 19 19:16:43 morphis: not having TONS of code duplicated Aug 19 19:17:18 dos1: I am not very confirm with the design of opimd, looking currently for the first time into the deep of the actual code Aug 19 19:17:38 well, that's not my design Aug 19 19:17:58 and it was hard too me to understand it ;x Aug 19 19:18:02 hehe Aug 19 19:18:28 maybe I can create some uml diagramms to bring the design a little bit more into the public Aug 19 19:18:42 so it is easy for other people to create more specific domains Aug 19 19:18:55 anything about a task-domain? Aug 19 19:19:03 morphis: it should be easy to do Aug 19 19:19:11 jepp Aug 19 19:19:18 morphis: i wanted to do such domain after making GenericDomain Aug 19 19:19:26 s/domain/domains/ Aug 19 19:19:27 dos1 meant: morphis: i wanted to do such domains after making GenericDomain Aug 19 19:19:28 dos1: great Aug 19 19:19:37 like Tasks, Notes, maybe Appointments... Aug 19 19:19:44 dos1: and whats about syncing? is there already some work done? Aug 19 19:19:57 dos1: or nobody cares about it actually? Aug 19 19:20:09 morphis: it depends how do you define "syncing" Aug 19 19:20:16 there are backends Aug 19 19:20:32 dos1: simply sync my kontact contacts with the contacts over my phone :) Aug 19 19:21:04 PISI has opimd support Aug 19 19:21:10 but i didn't look at it Aug 19 19:25:39 PISI? I heard of it some days ago Aug 19 19:27:27 hm interessting edje now depends on lua Aug 19 19:28:15 yup Aug 19 19:28:22 i have problems compiling it on my pc ;x Aug 19 19:28:35 dos1: the field _all_domains_cls in class Domain, how is it filled with the available domains? Aug 19 19:29:21 morphis: dunno exactly, but when class inherits from Domain class it gets registered ;x Aug 19 19:29:29 morphis: well, you shouldn't care about registering stuff Aug 19 19:29:39 just use GenericDomain, that's why it's created :P Aug 19 19:29:43 through this metaclass stuff? Aug 19 19:29:57 I just try to unterstand the starting of opimd Aug 19 19:30:20 or whats the best starting point to understand something? Aug 19 19:32:21 dos1: have you tried to compile pisi with my patches from shr-track? Aug 19 19:33:04 JaMa: no, i didn't try to compile pisi at all ;P Aug 19 19:33:33 morphis: well, look at contacts or dates domain, and on backends Aug 19 19:33:49 there already is some abstraction layer which does all initialization for you Aug 19 19:33:50 dos1: ah :) Aug 19 19:34:41 dos1: ok Aug 19 19:46:13 dos1: shouldn't opimd-utils-contacts list my sim-contacts? Aug 19 19:46:40 DocScrutinizer: if you have SIM-Contacts-FSO enabled, then yes Aug 19 19:46:51 DocScrutinizer: also - check if you have ogsmd-Calls backend enabled Aug 19 19:46:58 in opimd-config ;) Aug 19 19:47:09 errr, oooook Aug 19 19:48:31 so boys I am off Aug 19 19:48:33 good night Aug 19 19:51:22 dos1: nah, "new - not yet implemented". Guess I can deinstall that Aug 19 19:51:43 DocScrutinizer: Aug 19 19:51:44 ~opimd-utils Aug 19 19:51:45 somebody said opimd-utils was not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. Aug 19 19:51:46 ~opimd-messages Aug 19 19:51:47 well, opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon Aug 19 19:51:49 ;P Aug 19 19:52:00 JaMa: thanks for sorting out that patch.. i hope that everyone understands that this stuff is hardly ready for public consumption just yet :) (KMS, that is) Aug 19 19:52:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r34eb2a6e27c8 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: cosmetic changes in few comments Aug 19 19:52:14 as I said. I can deinstall that Aug 19 19:56:44 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r81b704f7fe3c 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_calls.py pimd_calls.py): opimd: Calls: base Calls domain on GenericDomain (not everything ported yet!) Aug 19 19:57:24 Weiss: there will be part 3 of that patch :) Aug 19 19:57:41 Weiss: but this time, I'll wait till xorg rebuild finish :) Aug 19 19:58:19 * DocScrutinizer has acute OM-blues and tries to find any news about N900 Aug 19 20:00:52 Weiss: as I said on ml, I'm using Thomas's work for some time and biggerst problem with kms/dri-aware/exa-via-dri was WSOD during resume which I'm not sure was because of xf86-video-glamo or drm-tracking kernel.. Aug 19 20:01:58 * Weiss = Tom :P Aug 19 20:02:09 (Thomas) Aug 19 20:02:22 Weiss: ah, great :) Aug 19 20:02:37 Weiss: so thank you :) Aug 19 20:02:59 i'm quite surprised that you found the KMS useful until this week.. it was segfaulting into little pieces until then.. Aug 19 20:04:05 dri-aware was never more than a simple fbdev-based driver which initialised DRI, which was the right way to do it until KMS happened Aug 19 20:04:17 exa-via-dri.. the same, if you could get it to compile Aug 19 20:04:28 sometimes I had problems when ie xf86-video-glamo was updated and upgraded on neo, but libdrm was updated without upgrade (because SRCPV was missing in package version) Aug 19 20:05:33 I think there is still small typo in exa-via-dri, but with small patch it was able to compile and then run Aug 19 20:06:42 yeah.. exa-via-dri isn't useful any more.. i carved the kms branch out of bits of it, though Aug 19 20:07:18 Weiss: just this one :) http://pastebin.ca/1535499 Aug 19 20:07:23 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r56e32575538e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_generic.py): opimd: Calls: implement missing stuff Aug 19 20:07:58 Weiss: yes I noticed from your commits.. I just tested branch with newest commits everytime :) Aug 19 20:10:11 PaulFertser: ping Aug 19 20:10:31 DocScrutinizer: pong Aug 19 20:10:39 PaulFertser: Aug 19 20:10:42 2009.08.17 22:23:01.141 odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted, although power is still full. Ignoring Aug 19 20:10:43 2009.08.17 22:23:26.458 odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted, although power is still full. Ignoring Aug 19 20:10:45 2009.08.17 22:23:51.803 odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted, although power is still full. Ignoring Aug 19 20:10:46 2009.08.17 22:24:17.148 odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted, although power is still full. Ignoring Aug 19 20:11:40 PaulFertser: wget http://joerg.daubuster.de:8001/frameworkd.log Aug 19 20:12:04 DocScrutinizer: i'm not sure that's some kernel problem but i'll try to take a look. Aug 19 20:12:23 PaulFertser: thanks a lot Aug 19 20:12:54 PaulFertser: you want the log? or may I shutdown? Aug 19 20:13:17 DocScrutinizer: nope, 4 lines are enough i guess Aug 19 20:13:43 ok then Aug 19 20:15:34 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r73b0a870cfc8 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_calls.py: opimd: SQLite-Calls: fix function names Aug 19 20:18:01 PaulFertser: if it's not kernel, it might be worth to notify mickey|dinner about it Aug 19 20:18:58 wooohooo settings stopped running unexpectedly Aug 19 20:20:20 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r10797759f78b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix copy'n'paste error Aug 19 20:20:49 DocScrutinizer: did you upgrade it? Aug 19 20:20:52 (settings) Aug 19 20:21:00 nope Aug 19 20:21:08 i think it's fixed; P Aug 19 20:22:29 damn, now even the device falls apart. Some little piece of crap rattling around inside o.O Aug 19 20:23:39 DocScrutinizer: how do you close settings windows? by illume or by "quit" button on bottom? Aug 19 20:23:56 usually quit on bottom Aug 19 20:24:26 (big-C fell off again :-( ) Aug 19 20:27:24 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r20c5d4df1d1e 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: add "calls_merging_enabled = 0". Merging isn't really needed in Calls domain and it makes booting faster. Aug 19 20:30:33 JaMa: good strategy :)... i might do a cleanup of old branches, to prevent people from using old/wrong code Aug 19 20:32:30 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r961c9a7d2727 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix register_missed_call Aug 19 20:49:35 JaMa: i'm on the case of a random kernel bug where drm_ht_insert_item() stops working after a long time of operation. the result is a locked-up X server.. not sure why... Aug 19 21:50:11 DocScrutinizer: does it look like you got that message in the log on every percent up while charging the battery after MBC-restart? Aug 19 21:50:41 no, 30sec per % would be a little fast Aug 19 21:52:40 PaulFertser: either that's kernel periodicaly sending events, or FSO polls some state periodically and each time echoes this line Aug 19 21:53:22 DocScrutinizer: and yes, FSO does poll for battery capacity level. Since it keeps internal state "full" and sees "charging" it gives that line every time. Aug 19 21:53:57 every 25sec :-( Aug 19 21:54:13 DocScrutinizer: but judging by the code that's kernel kevent Aug 19 21:54:27 kobect/uevent Aug 19 21:54:50 so that would be particularly nasty Aug 19 21:55:35 DocScrutinizer: i guess you're using bq27000 driver, right? Aug 19 21:55:50 sure Aug 19 21:56:46 DocScrutinizer: it sends uevent every time any of the bq registers it monitors changes, that sounds reasonabl. Aug 19 21:57:14 I want interested feature Aug 19 21:57:28 how to disable opkg when I'm using gprs Aug 19 21:57:30 PaulFertser: and that line isn't there all the time, it starts to show up on MBC actually restarting charge I guess, and vanishes when bat full again Aug 19 21:57:59 DocScrutinizer: sure, that's how i see it works from the code Aug 19 21:58:04 PaulFertser: (reg chng) ahh ok Aug 19 21:58:55 PaulFertser: hm, so who owns that bug now? Aug 19 21:58:56 DocScrutinizer: i tried to convince mickey|dinner that the logic to keep a battery state inside the framework and moreover to consider it being full until the status changes to "discharging" is flawed. Aug 19 21:59:06 DocScrutinizer: i failed Aug 19 21:59:12 :-/ Aug 19 21:59:57 DocScrutinizer: mickey|dinner said that's what users want. Well, probably this time will be more fruitful, since having that line in the logs so many times is kinda stupid. Aug 19 22:00:30 that is caused by formerly flawed behaviour of state teling framework to switch to "orange" every 15min Aug 19 22:01:24 I guess it's more likely we convince him to just listen to status now Aug 19 22:03:23 DocScrutinizer: i have another funny observation with gta01 driver: i plug in, the status is charging, then it becomes full, oeventsd turns the blue led on and then i unplug the charger (the capacity is still >96%). The blue led stays on. Aug 19 22:03:53 hmmm Aug 19 22:04:40 that's strange as the blue LED *now* turns of *really* fast on unplug here. Aug 19 22:04:53 formerly it took about a minute Aug 19 22:05:09 DocScrutinizer: and gta01 driver doesn't have "not charging state", only "charging" and "discharging", depending on MBC state. Aug 19 22:05:32 makes sense Aug 19 22:05:50 DocScrutinizer: hm, you gave me an idea! gta01 driver should call power_supply_changed when i unplug the charger. Aug 19 22:06:38 though I would prefer a "not charging" stae which means "discharging" & "USB-power" Aug 19 22:06:57 ahh, yes. Same idea Aug 19 22:09:50 though I would prefer a "not charging" state which means MBC_disabled & "USB-power" Aug 19 22:09:55 DocScrutinizer: (not charging) yes, i can do that, just not right now Aug 19 22:10:23 PaulFertser: take your time :-D Aug 19 22:11:14 GTA01 still has bigger issues, and rarely anybody uses dumb-bat driver on 02 ;) Aug 19 22:11:44 DocScrutinizer: ah, i know now why i saw that blue led for too long. That because to use bq27000 and gta01_battery driver concurrently i renamed gta01 device to "dbattery" and it wasn't in the list of batteries in platform data. Aug 19 22:12:03 lol Aug 19 22:12:45 PaulFertser: when will you get your own 01? Aug 19 22:13:22 DocScrutinizer: i think some people already use gta01 driver on gta02, at least i saw that demand was high half a year ago. Just now since it ready and works and explained in the wiki it's obvious, nothing special, so they don't write about that on ML. Aug 19 22:14:05 DocScrutinizer: no idea, was sent on Monday (i don't know tracking number or even delivery method but he said he was going to use airpost). Aug 19 22:14:31 ooh, so it's on its way? nice :-D Aug 19 22:18:27 PaulFertser: I'm starting to feel pissed bout missing speed-dial, broken phonelog, (mostly) missing contacts and no progress on that. What's status of your EMACS-phone-UI? Aug 19 22:20:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r002085c03612 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/gsm0710-1.0.vapi): Aug 19 22:20:04 freesmartphone.org: Add constructor instead explicit call to initialize. Warning: API change! Aug 19 22:20:04 freesmartphone.org: Release as 1.1.2 Aug 19 22:20:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * rbc430f1eea64 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Aug 19 22:22:23 DocScrutinizer: i thought that to boost the development first some precompiled packages of emacs23 should be made, so i spent some time trying to crosscompile it. I learned a lot about autofoo, debian packaging and finally about emacs build system only to find out that as a final step it requires to load the compiled executable along with some elisp files and then it literally "dumps" in the new executable. Can't be fully cross-compiled ... Aug 19 22:22:29 ... obviously. So i still hope to make some packages the next time i'm at work (i lack debian at home). And the guy who's developing fso.el is johnsu01, i only tried to use it and it looks like it can be easily hacked to add the missing features. Aug 19 22:23:03 DocScrutinizer: otoh i can see that most probably most users wouldn't like it anyway, just because most people don't like emacs at all. Aug 19 22:23:52 DocScrutinizer: i hope SHR folks will finally produce something similar to a decent dumb cell phone interface (it can't be as good as emacs-based of course but still ;) ) Aug 19 22:27:25 yeah great we got opimd, phonelog and dunno what, most of which is overkill functionality wise, and lacks frontend (maybe due to that fact). But then we can't have a simple redial-last-number in dialler as it would need to talk to phonelogd/whatever and that's much too complicated. So everything is postponed until we got the 23rd domain implementation on opimd without any frontend to make use of it Aug 19 22:29:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r58975cc7375c 10/src/gsm0710-1.0.vapi: brown paperbag release... Aug 19 22:29:14 is it me or isn't that particularly funny? Aug 19 22:30:30 DocScrutinizer: it's not, especially considering how much time was spent already... Aug 19 22:30:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r7e8ad2b8d3e2 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Aug 19 22:31:09 sorry if I'm overly sarcastic today, but my borked phonelog massively spoiled my mood today. And finding out hitting "1 new SMS" doesn't do anything except close the notifier win was the salt in the soup Aug 19 22:32:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r72e6528d0bac 10/gsm0710mux/ (manager.vala multiplexer.vala): libgsm0710mux: fault tolerance++ Aug 19 22:32:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rf36068082e9f 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac gsm0710mux/multiplexer.vala): catch up with libgsm0710 API change. release as 0.3.6 Aug 19 22:32:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r13e4f24d2a4f 10/configure.ac: post-release version bump Aug 19 22:33:47 DocScrutinizer: hehe, that's my state (except that i don't use shr apps and stay with zhone and my phonelog is "less /tmp/frameworkd.log") for quite some time already. Aug 19 22:34:18 doom even started yesterday evening when I had to realize it's not possible with FR and 90min time to get a OSMmap on the screen centered to Bali Aug 19 22:34:53 (less) that's where I am now Aug 19 22:35:01 and seems nobody cares Aug 19 22:36:37 (90min) on GPRS that is, with midori and/or dillo Aug 19 22:39:03 boozetime Aug 19 22:39:25 DocScrutinizer: Good call Aug 19 22:49:38 PaulFertser: (phonelog) less +"G/^.*org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus:.*$" ;) Aug 19 22:49:46 err Aug 19 22:49:52 PaulFertser: (phonelog) less +"G?^.*org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus:.*$" ;) Aug 19 22:50:49 maybe even Aug 19 22:50:53 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's funny, especially if you don't have a script handy. Aug 19 22:51:02 PaulFertser: (phonelog) less +"G?^.*org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus:.*incomming.*$" ;) Aug 19 22:56:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r08d915268024 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): write more versatile gsm0710_context_new instead of gsm0710_context_initialize Aug 19 22:56:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r57afc91fe0e7 10/configure.ac: bump version number to require libgsm0710 0.9.0 Aug 19 22:57:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r008ea0c1c911 10/configure.ac: requirements++ Aug 19 22:59:39 PaulFertser: m|mredial Aug 19 23:03:09 gnuphone FTW Aug 19 23:04:17 DocScrutinizer: yeah, some nice shell interface bash+completion would be handy enough provided a keyboard is good. I still can't understand why the phone is supposed to be so small, i'd prefer a larger device to have a better keyboard. Aug 19 23:04:41 100ACK Aug 19 23:04:50 N900 Aug 19 23:05:23 is a concrete release data available for the n900? Aug 19 23:05:27 though might give literkey a shot Aug 19 23:05:40 playya_: not yet Aug 19 23:05:58 hmm. shit Aug 19 23:06:11 i have to sign a new contract in may Aug 19 23:06:15 supposed to be to market in Asia or US by now, but delay was anticipated back when info from Nokia leaked Aug 19 23:06:23 palm pre || n900 Aug 19 23:06:31 yo Aug 19 23:06:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * rfd96ce26752d 10/src/terminal.vala: catch up with stronger type checking in vala 0.7.x Aug 19 23:06:36 or iphone *hides* Aug 19 23:06:52 if iphone linux will be useable Aug 19 23:07:02 yo again Aug 19 23:07:15 any other cool devices? Aug 19 23:07:17 g1? Aug 19 23:07:23 nah Aug 19 23:07:33 zoom Aug 19 23:07:50 but seems impossible to find any with GSM option :-( Aug 19 23:07:57 i'll steal nezza's for playing this weekend while he's asleep Aug 19 23:08:01 and cost more than gold Aug 19 23:08:31 zoom? the other android phone? Aug 19 23:09:08 DocScrutinizer: hm, is ofone ready? It looked like it was started to make software stack for n900... Aug 19 23:09:09 nah, TI internet developer platform Aug 19 23:09:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcdf2c2e6e74d 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (4 files): Aug 19 23:09:40 freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: catch up with Vala no longer autogenerating constructors Aug 19 23:09:40 freesmartphone.org: See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578417 Aug 19 23:09:49 PaulFertser: I thought the same, but then they would be kinda late on it Aug 19 23:10:13 PaulFertser: no idea bout ophone though Aug 19 23:10:22 NIH ;-) Aug 19 23:10:30 good night mickey|zzZZzz Aug 19 23:10:43 thanks gn8 Aug 19 23:10:50 ah heart of the TI device Aug 19 23:11:01 really big and flat? Aug 19 23:11:03 night mickey Aug 19 23:11:11 playya_: yep Aug 19 23:12:09 the new PS3 might be interesting too, if it runs linux Aug 19 23:14:12 playya_: http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/texas-instruments-zoom™-omap34x-ii-mdp Aug 19 23:15:41 ah. and the asus nüvi g60 was released in taiwan Aug 19 23:17:43 the eten phones seem to be nice and cheap too Aug 19 23:17:44 playya_: zoom:http://www.logicpd.com/sites/default/files/1013218A_MDP-OMAP3430-11_EOL_Notice.pdf :-( And SD-card protrudes out of device :-((( Aug 19 23:18:13 eten is mega-crap - at least the M-800 Aug 19 23:18:47 I can tell, I used it before I made FR my daily phone Aug 19 23:19:02 oh. ok Aug 19 23:19:23 there's a gigabyte phone an pearl Aug 19 23:19:40 cheap. but i don't know the exact specs Aug 19 23:20:35 well, have to run or beer is gone Aug 19 23:23:47 DocScrutinizer, do you think they might release the shematics? Aug 19 23:25:53 nah. they should delete the last spec and everything is just fine Aug 19 23:35:02 this is the smartphone on pearl: http://www.gigabytecm.com/Eng/ProductSpec.aspx?Pid=40 you can get for 200€ Aug 20 00:05:35 no dos1 around. Nevertheless: *all* settings resource controls need a off-auto-on setting, analogue to gps Aug 20 00:13:45 WTF means "WiFi off"? is policy currently set to off, and fsoraw wifi won't help it? or means off (or on) actually "auto"? or will settings display off as it doesn't know any better, and policy is actually auto after boot as long as you don't dare to touch that slider (in case you do it sets policy to on or off and no way back to auto)? Aug 20 00:25:26 interestingly enough lsfsor shows "auto 0" for wifi, no matter if you switch it to off or on via settings. so that seems somewhat inconsistent Aug 20 00:26:06 PaulFertser: what's your opinion wrt this? Aug 20 00:29:15 PaulFertser: to me it seems settings is bypassing FSO resources management here. And maybe this management needs to learn to do some additional magic needed to cope with AR6k nasties (load/unload, etc pp) Aug 20 00:40:16 ok, fsoraw -r WiFi cat switches state of settings-WiFi from off to on, and back on termination. So far, so ... hmm, good? Aug 20 00:50:12 which reminds me of a missing capability of fsoraw - catch resource_(un)available messages from FSO and signal spawned process in a user-configuarble way **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:56 2009