**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:57 2009 Aug 20 03:30:47 anybody in here some opinions about the wiki? Aug 20 03:31:00 * roh uses it not enough to know whats going on Aug 20 06:06:59 DocScrutinizer: yes, i think shr settings should ask ophonekitd to request resource, not change resource policy. Aug 20 06:09:33 i tried to have my SHR not blank the screen at all. setting "Blank Time" to off in Illume's settings and setting all timeouts in shr-settings -> Power to -1 makes it blank immediately instead... Aug 20 06:10:15 * blindcoder just put his T-Mobile SIM card back into his old Sony Ericsson phone :( Aug 20 06:10:29 I'll get a data-only card for my freerunner now Aug 20 06:10:40 this was with shr-settings 0.1.1+r308+2f500c4abd02b2c5a0eb0160e2f89106810701b9-r6 Aug 20 06:10:42 and use it as a mobile computer with internet access Aug 20 06:11:02 blindcoder: best idea anyway... Aug 20 06:11:22 many people I called complain about gsm interference in the voice signal, even though I got the buzzfixed version Aug 20 06:11:43 blindcoder: i'll keep my o2 genion and keep SMS functionality Aug 20 06:12:50 blindcoder: are you sure you got the buzzfixed version? Did you check revision or components? Aug 20 06:13:03 PaulFertser: /proc/.../pcb says 0x101 Aug 20 06:14:11 blindcoder: and you're pretty sure that's gsm interference people are complaining about, not e.g. distortion due to over-amplification of the mic signal or something. Aug 20 06:15:17 PaulFertser: hmm... good question. I'm relying on information from callees here. I'll try to get a colleague for tests Aug 20 06:17:13 dictator is installed, too, so I'll make that test also Aug 20 06:17:58 blindcoder: good idea, since you'll record your voice too and you'll tell it yourself if there's GSM interference or not. Aug 20 06:20:45 hi, I have fully charge battery, when I boot neo with it, i get the faint vibration that the neo is startin up but I am not getting any display.. is my touchscreen dead Aug 20 06:21:56 is there a way I can check it... Aug 20 06:23:39 hmm, interesting Aug 20 06:24:07 I have a presentation this weekend :) Aug 20 06:24:13 s/:)/:(/ Aug 20 06:24:13 Sup3rkiddo meant: I have a presentation this weekend :( Aug 20 06:24:26 I hear buzz in normal call, but once I start diktator recording, there's no more interference but also quite quiet Aug 20 06:25:36 Sup3rkiddo: waiting for a while. I personally do not get any vibration Aug 20 06:26:22 Sup3rkiddo: Qi user? Aug 20 06:26:25 blindcoder, if it matters, I had flashed with the new uImage and rootf Aug 20 06:26:28 PaulFertser, yeah Aug 20 06:26:37 but I didnt flash Qi for a long time Aug 20 06:27:09 Sup3rkiddo: the "faint" vibration means the bootloader skips SD. Aug 20 06:27:23 Sup3rkiddo: either it can't mount it or there's no kernel on it. Aug 20 06:27:30 PaulFertser, I don't have any distro on my SD Aug 20 06:27:46 I used dfu-util to flash the last unstable SHR Aug 20 06:27:53 Sup3rkiddo: then it proceeds to boot from NAND. You won't get any display until you wait for some 3-5 min. Aug 20 06:28:01 Sup3rkiddo: first boot always takes longer. Aug 20 06:28:15 PaulFertser, hmm but the screen shoud light up, shouldnt it? Aug 20 06:28:34 Sup3rkiddo: the LED backlight should turn off but the screen shouldn't show anything. Aug 20 06:28:44 s/turn off/turn on/ Aug 20 06:28:44 PaulFertser meant: Sup3rkiddo: the LED backlight should turn on but the screen shouldn't show anything. Aug 20 06:29:40 PaulFertser, yeah, no backlight Aug 20 06:29:43 its dark Aug 20 06:30:33 I am pretty sure its not the battery since I have three fully charged ones with me Aug 20 06:31:10 the diff between dictator_rec.state and shr/gsmhandset.state is quite large, so I'll have to try them all in turn Aug 20 06:31:24 Sup3rkiddo: then it means that Qi can't boot the kernel. Either you flashed the kernel wrong or Qi's idea about bad blocks is not the same as NOR u-boot's. Aug 20 06:31:47 PaulFertser, hmm, i will try pressing the AUX + power to see if i get the bootloader menu Aug 20 06:32:02 Sup3rkiddo: of course you will Aug 20 06:37:31 PaulFertser, think its the wrong kernel Aug 20 06:37:33 thanks Aug 20 06:37:40 I get the NOR menu Aug 20 06:38:02 *embarassed* Aug 20 06:44:03 PaulFertser: I'm currently physically unable to access my freerunners filesystem, do you know where I can download the gsmhandset.state file? Aug 20 06:44:27 shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/alsa/alsa-state/a780/gsmhandset.state maybe? Aug 20 06:46:59 blindcoder: a780? i don't think so Aug 20 06:49:45 hrmpf Aug 20 06:51:47 okay, got it out of the lite image Aug 20 06:52:47 305 lines diff Aug 20 06:56:04 blindcoder: don't forget about the diagram at Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem, it's for gta02 and greatly helps in understanding. Aug 20 06:57:53 PaulFertser: yeah, already got it open and checking which settings are of interest to me Aug 20 06:58:31 'PCM Mixer' and 'ADC Capture Volume' are not ;) Aug 20 09:28:01 moo Aug 20 09:31:49 PaulFertser: ping Aug 20 09:32:41 mäh Aug 20 09:34:01 täterätätä Aug 20 09:44:05 eine muh eine mäh eine täterätätä Aug 20 09:46:01 hi folks! Aug 20 09:47:08 I'm running SHR Unstable on my Freerunner. During our holiday it was powered by a USB power converter in the cigarette lighter socket of our car. Unfortunately, the converter doesn't understand USB power negotiation, but it does allow for 500 mA. Aug 20 09:47:35 Can I tell SHR to always draw 500 mA without notification? Aug 20 09:49:33 sybren: look in shr-settings, I think I saw a swithc for that once Aug 20 09:50:07 (I cannot guarantee it's really working, though. never tested. But ask dos1, I think he knows) Aug 20 09:50:24 sybren: settings-power (dunno why it's placed there ;-) Aug 20 09:51:16 it works to reduce to 100mA, so I guess it will work the other way round as well Aug 20 09:51:32 DocScrutinizer, Deubeuliou: that works, but every time I plug in the USB (or start the car's engine, which disrupts the power supply for a very short time) the USB power negotiation tries to do its thing again, and it gets reset to 100mA Aug 20 09:55:35 sybren: here it is so fucked-up by dozens of ppl messing around with all the power-mamagement, that I actually see it switching back to 500mA on insertion of random charger (or they really listened to what I say, and built it this way on purpose ;-P ) Aug 20 09:55:58 :) Aug 20 09:56:45 I guess my charger consists of only a 12v -> 5v converter, and nothing else... I can see it switch back from 500mA to 100mA as soon as I plug it in there. Aug 20 09:57:26 heh, my charger is not any smarter than that Aug 20 09:58:12 I can tell from disassembling it and analyzing the circuit Aug 20 10:00:15 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb1f16672dab9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: few cosmetic fixes Aug 20 10:00:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r28a770086022 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimd_notes.py): opimd: Notes: add new domain Aug 20 10:00:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6ca93f592cbb 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (8 files): opimd: use libphone-utils to normalize phone numbers, fix quering multiple values and fix entry paths Aug 20 10:00:19 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd4dc93529e19 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: accidentaly commited too lot. Fixing. Aug 20 10:00:29 it also can't be the cable (except a B-type(?) plug maybe to short ID to GND) Aug 20 10:00:31 hehehe Aug 20 10:00:59 DocScrutinizer: are you suggesting I short ID to GND and give that a try? Aug 20 10:01:40 usually that switches FR to hostmode (at least it's meant to) - so no Aug 20 10:02:17 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * raeb337f9a851 10/shr-settings: [launcher] cosmetic changes Aug 20 10:02:23 gimme a second, I'll try the standard cable Aug 20 10:02:27 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf3c6cb8a6a1e 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gprs.py: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-settings Aug 20 10:02:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r58b7c6b53ddf 10/opimd-cli: opimd-utils: add support of new domains Aug 20 10:02:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r6d24f42ff9e6 10/opimd-resolve: opimd-resolve: finally resolve using normalizing numbers Aug 20 10:02:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r3b3496eaaaf8 10/ (opimd-contacts opimd-notifier): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Aug 20 10:03:21 nah, same result Aug 20 10:03:45 and I referred an A-type Aug 20 10:04:12 :/ Aug 20 10:04:48 sybren: I don't get it why yours doesn't switch to 500 Aug 20 10:05:09 DocScrutinizer: me neither Aug 20 10:05:59 I can try again today, as I just got back from holiday (during which I experienced this issue on a daily basis) and see what the latest kernel development has to offer. Are you running the latest kernel? Aug 20 10:06:25 shr88 Aug 20 10:07:22 uname -r tells me 2.6.29-rc3 Aug 20 10:07:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r08ffb004cc59 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix copy'n'paste error in Update and Delete Aug 20 10:07:53 sound about right Aug 20 10:09:54 DocScrutinizer: opimd does number normalization now :) Aug 20 10:10:15 transparently, when comparing Aug 20 10:10:53 great. wish I could use it Aug 20 10:11:55 dos1: what is "number normalization"? + vs 00? Aug 20 10:11:58 dos1: with the current shr-messages app, there is no overview of sent SMS'es, nor is there an "outgoing" queue for SMS'es that couldn't be sent and need to be retried. Are there any plans to implement such features? Aug 20 10:12:19 sybren: no and yes Aug 20 10:12:30 sybren: no - in this app, yes - after rewritting Aug 20 10:12:51 blindcoder: it's something what should be there since begining. for more ask DocScrutinizer :P Aug 20 10:12:56 dos1: any idea on an ETA of the rewrite? Aug 20 10:13:01 sybren: dunno Aug 20 10:13:12 dos1: anything I can do to speed things up? Aug 20 10:14:03 sybren: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Aug 20 10:14:34 nice drawing :) Aug 20 10:15:21 blindcoder: it's basically some logic to expand incomplete numbers according to a common sense grammar Aug 20 10:16:01 also to remove "helpers" like hyphens, spaces, braces etc Aug 20 10:16:45 truncate prefixes like *31# and postixes Aug 20 10:16:50 DocScrutinizer: I see Aug 20 10:18:23 basically it does to a number exactly same you and the exchange are doing on the way from your addressbook to callees display Aug 20 10:21:01 eventually might get even smarter by learning heuristics Aug 20 10:22:29 so if you're called by 4321998 it may find the central address entry 4321-0 for that call Aug 20 10:28:26 nice ;) Aug 20 10:43:31 Is there any way I can set the default colours of vala-terminal back to a white background and black foreground? I added the options to /usr/share/applications/vala-terminal.desktop but I'm afraid that they'll be overwritten when the package is updated Aug 20 10:47:01 +1 Aug 20 10:48:00 I'm not powering up the backlite to head the liquid crystal/polarizers ;-) Aug 20 10:48:19 s/head/heat/ Aug 20 10:48:20 DocScrutinizer meant: I'm not powering up the backlite to heat the liquid crystal/polarizers ;-) Aug 20 10:51:40 on a wholly unrelated note (although I'm sure this has been debated to death already), how heavy is enlightenment compared to other window managers? Aug 20 11:15:38 What's the default wifi manager in SHR? Aug 20 11:18:07 Flyser: mokonnect Aug 20 11:18:48 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r57c9a1c2e66b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py opimd.py pimd_generic.py): opimd: don't fail when can't import phoneutils Aug 20 11:19:18 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rf6d65fb388f8 10/ (opimd-messages opimd-notifier opimd-resolve): Make use of normalizing numbers in opimd. Aug 20 11:19:23 blindcoder: thx Aug 20 11:19:31 (dos/opimd-tracking merged with master) Aug 20 11:22:58 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0e8b5c20d985 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: fix traceback when adding entry Aug 20 11:24:06 mmh... is it possible to use the ti calypso for anything helpful around this? https://svn.berlin.ccc.de/projects/airprobe/wiki/AirProbe Aug 20 11:30:10 Wonka: talk to roh and onen Aug 20 11:31:54 Wonka: basically no Aug 20 11:32:15 no possibility to "forget" some "debug mode"? ;) Aug 20 11:32:19 it's more the other way round Aug 20 11:32:48 Wonka: we don't have the sources of the GSM stack itself Aug 20 11:32:55 ah. ok. Aug 20 11:33:35 gnuradio hw is a little expensive at the moment :/ Aug 20 11:44:24 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb711d1831d1d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimd_todos.py): opimd: add Todos domain Aug 20 11:47:40 ~weather EDDN Aug 20 11:47:41 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2009.08.20 1120 UTC; Dew Point: 55 F (13 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 33%; Temperature: 87 F (31 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SE (130 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) Aug 20 11:50:04 pffffffffffffffff Aug 20 11:53:02 blindcoder: I just installed mokonect, but it doesn't find my Wifi network. It occasionally picks up a network from my neighbours, whereas "iwlist scan" shows my network and three neighbours' Aug 20 11:53:45 sybren: yeah, seen that, too Aug 20 11:54:28 DocScrutinizer: jup, over here it's 31°C aswel Aug 20 11:54:43 And i got re examinations... Aug 20 11:54:57 here is better today, 26'C Aug 20 11:55:00 so i'm studying almost naked ;-) Aug 20 11:55:08 but 2-3 days ago it was 34'C Aug 20 11:55:39 dos1: where are you located? Aug 20 11:55:47 Poznan, Poland Aug 20 11:55:58 s/Poznan/Poznań/ Aug 20 11:55:59 dos1 meant: Poznań, Poland Aug 20 11:56:00 ;) Aug 20 11:56:58 * pieterc does not wan't to read characters other than ascii Aug 20 11:57:34 s/'t/t Aug 20 11:57:45 come on, correct me lame bzzbot Aug 20 11:57:46 sybren: known issue. connman. wait for NM Aug 20 11:57:53 we're using utf8 here, so i can't see any problem ;p Aug 20 11:58:31 ;) Aug 20 11:58:54 technically we only need 127 ascii chars Aug 20 11:59:01 pieterc: ♪ you can't always get what you want ♪ ;D Aug 20 11:59:01 DocScrutinizer: NM? Never-ending Measurelessness? Aug 20 11:59:15 nnetworkmanager Aug 20 11:59:18 ah :) Aug 20 11:59:31 too lazy for even typin Aug 20 12:00:10 dos1: but if I try sometimes, I might find out I get what i neeeeed Aug 20 12:00:15 31°C here too, and a rising humidity, lightning storm is coming Aug 20 12:00:42 sybren: awsome ^^ Aug 20 12:00:55 sybren: oh... we're close to each other... darn Aug 20 12:02:38 ok, I'm off... learning Statistics Aug 20 12:03:00 Chi² test ... joy Aug 20 12:03:36 pieterc: good luck Aug 20 12:03:51 thanks :) Aug 20 12:03:52 bye! Aug 20 12:08:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r78a42cd9409f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: fix quering in Dates domain. (more love is still needed) Aug 20 12:10:12 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r429df244c230 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_dates.py: opimd: SQLite-Dates: fix typo when updating entry Aug 20 12:13:17 notwork damager... Aug 20 12:33:16 I'm currently making some bitbake recipies to make it possible to easily build apathy (http://www.openapathy.org), but I notice that the gstreamer packages in SHR's OE checkout are rather old Aug 20 12:34:03 is there any plan to update these to the versions currently in OE? Or should I add a gst-python recipe for older gstreamer versions as well? Aug 20 12:35:45 oh actually the OE checkout seems to include 0.10.21 (only a little old), but only 0.10.17 is being built Aug 20 12:36:38 Elleo: gst-python should be already there Aug 20 12:37:22 oh, really? Aug 20 12:37:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc21131eae421 10/misc-vapi/vapi/linux26.vapi: misc-vapi: use uint16 for EV_ constants, use Posix.tm instead of GLib.Time Aug 20 12:37:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reb432249e262 10/fsodeviced/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: catch up with stronger Vala type checks Aug 20 12:37:37 I couldn't see it in OE's recipies Aug 20 12:38:04 oh I see it's in the python directory instead of the gstreamer directory Aug 20 12:38:15 OE could do with some organisation :/ Aug 20 12:38:21 Elleo: well, frameworkd uses gst-python, so it had to be there :P Aug 20 12:38:31 conversley telepathy's bindings are in the telepathy directory instead of the python one Aug 20 12:38:51 same goes for a lot of other bindings Aug 20 12:38:59 historic growth Aug 20 12:39:47 oh well, guess that makes life simpler at least Aug 20 12:40:03 i agree though, one of these days we could reorganize the python stuff Aug 20 12:40:08 it's hard though Aug 20 12:40:18 there are numerous packages where python bindings are a subpackage Aug 20 12:40:30 hence are not generated by a dedicated recipe Aug 20 12:40:36 yeah Aug 20 12:40:57 I was expecting everything outside of core python to not be in the python directory Aug 20 12:40:59 i guess no one would make a fuzz about me moving all other foo-python into the python subdir though Aug 20 12:41:26 historically, everything in python/* has been added by me and was something i claim responsibility for Aug 20 12:41:37 hence other packages have been added outside Aug 20 12:41:43 even if they contained python bindings Aug 20 12:43:38 I'm making some changes to the farsight2 recipe so it builds a python package too; should I just submit my changes back to OE then request SHR pull from there or submit them to both OE and SHR at the same time? Aug 20 12:44:03 Elleo: send to both Aug 20 12:44:17 to shr-devel ml using git send-email ;) Aug 20 12:44:29 okay, thanks Aug 20 12:44:34 Hi all... where can I get the most recent SHR images? Use testing or unstable? Aug 20 12:45:36 Elleo: send to both for now, although i really hope that eventually shr/import gets backported to oe.dev and shr becomes a feature branch Aug 20 12:45:36 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2233cd947423 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimb_sqlite_notes.py): opimd: SQLite-Notes: add new backend Aug 20 12:45:47 but other than me, no one does anything atm. towards this goal Aug 20 12:46:05 okay Aug 20 12:47:31 actually, i think you're right. i will do some python recipe cleanup after my vacation Aug 20 12:47:55 great :) Aug 20 12:57:22 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r06b312136ff8 10framework/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: add default backends for new domains Aug 20 12:59:17 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r2308514a39bd 10/opimd-cli: opimd-cli: support Todos domain Aug 20 13:03:58 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r6062323ea390 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: add default backends for new opimd domains Aug 20 13:03:59 mickeyl: I take it the prefered naming scheme is actually python-$PN? Aug 20 13:06:55 yes Aug 20 13:06:57 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2248595a730b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py pimb_sqlite_notes.py pimb_sqlite_todos.py): opimd: SQLite-Todos: add new backend Aug 20 13:07:02 okay Aug 20 13:07:09 if in doubt, check how it's called in debian Aug 20 13:07:17 i often try to align it Aug 20 13:08:36 yeah, that was my initial instinct, but after seeing a number of packages doing things differently I thought I should check Aug 20 13:10:48 (dos/opimd-tracking merged into master) Aug 20 13:18:37 hey, do all these commits mean we get a real working opimd experience soon? Aug 20 13:18:41 that'd be... Aug 20 13:18:44 awesome :) Aug 20 13:20:30 farhaven: no Aug 20 13:20:40 :( Aug 20 13:20:41 farhaven: as we have basics in opimd working for quite long time now Aug 20 13:21:15 well, i was thinking along the lines of editing contacts with opimd-utils Aug 20 13:21:16 farhaven: just people are even more lazy asses than me and opimd support in UI apps is... err, it isn't ;P Aug 20 13:21:19 but i can wait :) Aug 20 13:21:27 hehe Aug 20 13:21:58 litephone has some opimd support and pisi... Aug 20 13:22:12 and what else? :( Aug 20 13:22:14 i like shr-dialer though... Aug 20 13:22:32 i'm using mine opimd-utils, but: Aug 20 13:22:33 ~opimd-utils Aug 20 13:22:34 rumour has it, opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. Aug 20 13:22:36 ~opimd-messages Aug 20 13:22:36 i heard opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon Aug 20 13:22:44 :P Aug 20 13:22:48 hehe Aug 20 13:27:03 but now there are Notes and Todos opimd domains Aug 20 13:27:16 writing ui apps for that shouldn't be so hard Aug 20 13:27:26 or porting one... Aug 20 13:29:34 i have a fine notifier / screen locker for shr unstable now, btw Aug 20 13:29:40 nasty code, but works :) Aug 20 13:52:53 hello there. anyone here familiar with bluetooth? i'm trying to unbond a device. i've read bluez's wiki, but the suggested method doesn't work Aug 20 13:53:50 btw, anyone here speaking italian? i'd need help translating a single sentence Aug 20 14:12:25 Ainulindale: ping? ;x Aug 20 14:13:07 pong Aug 20 14:16:43 Ainulindale: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/ Aug 20 14:17:04 arf :-) Aug 20 14:17:16 Ainulindale: frameworkd and shr-image.inc are simple fixes Aug 20 14:17:30 Ainulindale: and KMS is interesting, should be reviewed if you'll have more time ;) Aug 20 14:17:33 hmmm weird Aug 20 14:17:35 I can't pull Aug 20 14:17:42 ainu@moriquendi ~/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded $ git pull Aug 20 14:17:42 buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0 Aug 20 14:20:29 is it just me? Aug 20 14:21:31 how does pkg-config work within OE? It appears to be returning paths to the host system, not the staging area Aug 20 14:21:34 is there some magic I need to be doing to make it give the correct paths? Aug 20 14:21:37 Ainulindale: here it works, and on my shell it also works Aug 20 14:22:15 farsight2 is currently only compiling with python bindings if I have the python-gst defs installed on the host system Aug 20 14:22:35 dos1: well here it doesn't Aug 20 14:22:53 rm -rf openembedded; git clone ...? ;) Aug 20 14:23:01 Don't you think I tried? Aug 20 14:23:12 oh Aug 20 14:23:35 Have to go for ten minutes Aug 20 14:23:39 that's bad then ;x Aug 20 14:34:58 Hi. Is there anywhere i can get ahold of the config program for making keyboard for illume? Aug 20 15:52:14 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * r33f1d028ea32 10/data/shr-installer.desktop: Fix icon reference in desktop file Aug 20 16:50:08 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * r5755ae23a3ad 10/ (data/shr-installer.png setup.py): Add application icon. Aug 20 16:51:02 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r01c4d2e75746 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (Makefile.am shr-installer.png): shr-theme: add shr-installer icon Aug 20 16:52:54 dos1 ? Aug 20 16:53:07 It works now, what were you willing me to apply? Aug 20 16:53:12 apart from yours obviously Aug 20 16:54:10 Ainulindale: that one with DISPLAY Aug 20 16:55:01 Ainulindale: and i'll send another one now Aug 20 16:55:15 Done for both Aug 20 16:55:58 Ainulindale: thanks :) Aug 20 16:56:00 Ainulindale: and sent Aug 20 16:56:12 Was that tested? Aug 20 16:56:24 Ainulindale: yup Aug 20 16:56:38 Hmm I'm dumb I didn't review correctly last patch, anyway Aug 20 16:57:04 Ok pushed Aug 20 16:57:14 Ainulindale: that opimd-utils thing was tested, as i had to try few times before i got it to work :P Aug 20 16:57:23 :-) Aug 20 17:00:34 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r627b9bd97966 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/source.xcf: shr-theme: add source xcf, can be used to make new matching icons (extracted from icon at http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/) Aug 20 17:00:39 who asked for some source for making icons matcihng shr-theme? :) Aug 20 17:06:12 gah, farsight2 0.0.9 needs gstreamer 0.10.22 or later, so I guess I'm back to my original question of whether gstreamer's likely to be updated in SHR anytime soon? Aug 20 17:06:49 I think I'd have to go back to quite an old and unreliable version of farsight to get 0.10.17 compatibility Aug 20 17:08:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rc701bcee22d7 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/shr-installer.png: shr-theme: shr-installer: make "subicon" little bigger Aug 20 17:17:01 * Weiss experiences Pain in attempting to cross-compile Xorg-server from git Aug 20 17:19:16 Weiss: use qemu + distcc + cross-compilers, that's what I do Aug 20 17:19:31 Weiss: poor Xorg does not even notice it is being cross-compiled Aug 20 17:20:10 cunning.. rather than OE? Aug 20 17:20:31 Weiss: yes, i use debian Aug 20 17:21:16 (so DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip debug noopt" apt-get --build source xserver-xorg) Aug 20 17:22:57 easier to get binaries with full debug symbols too, i guess.. Aug 20 17:23:30 yep, a must for using gdb Aug 20 17:23:51 Weiss: i can help you setup this if you need help Aug 20 17:24:11 i'll get back to you on that, if it looks like my OE build is going to be much more hassle. thanks. Aug 20 17:26:16 Weiss: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_Environment#Building_debian_packages_with_qemu_and_cross-compiling_distccs Aug 20 17:26:27 Weiss: wrote that last year, it is partly inaccurate now Aug 20 17:34:27 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r3de81dd5f4ee 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (intone-video.png intone.png): shr-theme: add intone icons Aug 20 17:46:26 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r6fe8f92795cf 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/openBmap-desktop.png: shr-theme: add openBmap icon Aug 20 17:46:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rd19bfa7d14d9 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (intone-video.png intone.png source.xcf): shr-theme: make background under intone icons less intensive Aug 20 17:51:04 has someone contact with openmoocow author? Aug 20 17:54:35 dos1: afaik its Weiss Aug 20 17:55:59 Weiss: ping? Aug 20 17:56:28 does someone know which package is supposed to contain openmoko/scenarios ? Aug 20 17:56:47 Deubeuliou: in SHR there is no openmoko/scenarios Aug 20 17:56:53 Deubeuliou: use /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ Aug 20 17:57:18 and on other distro, do you know ? (the question is not about shr) Aug 20 17:57:35 openmoko-scenarios? Aug 20 17:57:45 or openmoko-alsa-scenarios Aug 20 17:57:47 larsc: pong Aug 20 17:57:58 Weiss: are you openmoocow author? Aug 20 17:58:15 yep Aug 20 17:58:59 ok, thanks dos1 Aug 20 17:59:06 my two OM projects: 1. direct rendering with KMS, EXA, GEM memory management, IRQ-based command queue management and mixed mode pixmaps. 2. a cow that goes "moo" Aug 20 17:59:36 Weiss: we all agree that second one is more important ;) Aug 20 17:59:41 hehe Aug 20 17:59:41 Weiss: but seriously Aug 20 18:00:00 Weiss: could you fix placement of desktop icon in openmoocow? Aug 20 18:00:09 Weiss: i want to make shr-theme icon for that Aug 20 18:00:18 ah... what's wrong with it? Aug 20 18:00:26 Weiss: /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoocow.png would be better Aug 20 18:00:35 Weiss: and then Icon=openmoocow in desktop file Aug 20 18:00:41 Weiss: so it will be themable by icon themes Aug 20 18:04:24 ah, ok Aug 20 18:05:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ba0373deae0 10/tools/apm2/configure.ac: tools: apm: fix name in configure.ac Aug 20 18:05:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r60ce1b263437 10/tools/fso-raw/ (14 files in 2 dirs): tools: add build skeleton for fso-raw (vala port of fsoraw) Aug 20 18:05:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r995b3b3fef9b 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi object.vala): libfsoframework: object: construct properties and using 'this' in the constructor don't mix well Aug 20 18:11:03 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rd941f4d344ff 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (openBmap-desktop.png openmoocow.png): shr-theme: add openmoocow icon Aug 20 18:19:43 dos1: ok, latest Git version should do things correctly Aug 20 18:20:21 Weiss: thanks :) Aug 20 18:42:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rd06971f76d36 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (litephone.png literki.png): shr-theme: add litephone and literki icons Aug 20 18:44:51 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rce989215e0ce 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (settings.png shr-settings.png): shr-theme: rename settings to shr-settings Aug 20 18:47:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r242506d63278 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [data] make icon themable Aug 20 18:47:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r6c7fcb3318e2 10/shr-settings: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-settings Aug 20 18:50:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r10633f9023f2 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/Makefile.am: shr-theme: update Makefile Aug 20 18:53:50 F4t: ping Aug 20 19:11:38 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r042e7cd36939 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (9 files): shr-theme: rename some icons to catch up with software changes in SHR Aug 20 19:13:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r5db9085223a8 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): shr-[contacts|dialer|messages]: catch up with icon changes Aug 20 19:14:29 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rff0421aaabe7 10/data/ (opimd-contacts.desktop opimd-messages.desktop): Catch up with icon changes. Aug 20 19:14:31 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r31edcbdc62a6 10/ (opimd-cli opimd-messages opimd-notifier opimd-resolve): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Aug 20 19:15:29 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r87082dccc346 10/opimd-notifier: notifier: catch up with icon changes Aug 20 19:23:05 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r1dbb27bc12ae 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (Makefile.am opimd-notes.png): shr-theme: add opimd-notes icon Aug 20 19:23:37 DocScrutinizer: pong :D Aug 20 19:27:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r3d17d5a7471e 10/ (data/opimd-notes.png setup.py): Add opimd-notes icon. Aug 20 19:56:51 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r5d6ea8e324f9 10/e-wm/e-wm-menu-shr/applications.menu: e-wm-menu-shr: add GTK to displayed categories. Fixes Navit desktop icon. Aug 20 20:13:20 I can't understand Aug 20 20:13:29 why neo doesn't work with many usb cables? Aug 20 20:13:48 max_posedon: huh? Aug 20 20:14:16 I have few usb-miniusb cables, they definetly works Aug 20 20:14:26 but when I attach neo with them Aug 20 20:14:39 how does it fail? Aug 20 20:14:50 eth1 get up, few packets send successfully Aug 20 20:14:55 after - nothing Aug 20 20:15:41 odd Aug 20 20:16:28 BTW, does anyone have any idea why OM's wallcharger has a ferrite part on it? Aug 20 20:16:31 neo can even charge with it, but nothing more... Aug 20 20:16:36 I really can't understand Aug 20 20:16:58 cabel works, I use him to serial access to sheevaplug for example Aug 20 20:17:54 DocScrutinizer, may be you know? Aug 20 20:18:24 max_posedon: is that a cheap cable? Does it have ferrite part on it? Aug 20 20:18:32 max_posedon: i have ~5 miniusb cables and all work with my neo Aug 20 20:18:51 PaulFertser, I don't know, it comes with sheevaplug Aug 20 20:19:08 I had one that comes with photo camera that doesn't works too. Aug 20 20:19:37 max_posedon: the ferrite part is really visible, you can always tell for sure if it's there or not. That's a large cylindric bulb on the cable. Aug 20 20:20:09 nope it haven't Aug 20 20:20:22 but default neo's haven't too Aug 20 20:20:35 but you may be right, all non working cables are narrow Aug 20 20:20:38 max_posedon: default neo's doesn't mean it's not crap. Aug 20 20:21:23 ok, I find one with ferrite(from PS3) that works too Aug 20 20:21:41 so, I should afraid of simple narrow usb cables? Aug 20 20:22:14 max_posedon: yes, be afraid of that like it's a fire ;) Aug 20 20:23:18 ok, going to bed now Aug 20 20:23:29 i'll try to hack something around opimd-notes over night Aug 20 20:23:56 good night, but pure Aug 20 20:24:16 that I'll miss somebody to answer my questions about non-working neo Aug 20 20:24:27 because of update which I do now) Aug 20 20:24:56 night Aug 20 20:25:21 max_posedon: i think that there might be good cables without ferrite but it's unlikely there're bad ones with it. The reasons are obvious. Aug 20 20:25:33 (.oO none update required...) Aug 20 21:03:05 anyone here for whome icq works with pidgin at the moment? (shr-u) Aug 20 21:10:10 icq is such protocol, that when it doesn't work, you don't know the reason Aug 20 21:10:22 hot fix -> use jabber Aug 20 21:12:46 max_posedon: i use jabber, but most of the people use icq... i know only 1 person who also uses jabber -_- Aug 20 21:13:28 almost all use google mail and have gtalk(jabber) Aug 20 21:18:24 i know only one person who use google mail -_- damn i will take centerim... Aug 20 21:22:47 agg1n: Yes it does with a new version.. Aug 20 21:23:23 dos1, pong Aug 20 21:27:48 agg1n: I sometimes use ICQ wirh pidgin 2.5.8, do not use with MSN because of security CVE-2009-2694. http://87.227.108.179/neo/ Aug 20 21:28:56