**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 21 02:59:56 2009 Aug 21 03:04:22 hi,who played android ? I have a probelm that I can not find a function named setSilent in the android manual's example. Who know which package it lived in ? Aug 21 06:45:19 mornin' Aug 21 07:14:20 Weiss: http://pastebin.ca/1537367 :) Aug 21 08:33:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r77f434ea58cc 10framework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): opimd: Todos: rename to Tasks Aug 21 08:33:06 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r3152c396c541 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic: use re.escape instead of str.replace Aug 21 08:33:34 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r2d65f90dd49b 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: initial commit Aug 21 08:33:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd0b5fb881346 10/opimd-messages: messages: don't fail on blank sms Aug 21 08:33:37 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r22eb48c0eabd 10/opimd-cli: cli: catch up with Todos->Tasks rename Aug 21 08:33:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * raefe1770fb72 10/opimd-notifier: notifier: don't fail on blank sms Aug 21 08:33:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r234fc7915b46 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: catch up with opimd Todos -> Tasks rename Aug 21 09:36:45 hi Aug 21 09:38:06 hello Aug 21 09:45:36 dos1: heh, i see now you have unpleasant experiences talking with "arne anka" :) Aug 21 09:46:24 PaulFertser: well, now i ignored him and i'm writing opimd-notes ;) Aug 21 09:49:48 i doesn't make sense to talk with someone, who thinks he knows everything and his right is the only one possible ;/ Aug 21 09:51:05 i already have really bad experience with people like that from real life, so i'll just don't care :P Aug 21 09:54:22 dos1: he once blamed me a lot for properly using "reply-to" feature. He claimed i shouldn't strip bogus reply-to header and always reply to the list :) Aug 21 09:58:02 JaMa: thanks :) Aug 21 09:58:25 JaMa: (i've upgraded to the latest Xorg Git here. i suspected i hadn't done the backwards compatability quite right - thanks for doing the testing :) Aug 21 10:04:33 good morning Aug 21 10:30:14 moornin Aug 21 10:30:28 moanin even Aug 21 10:33:21 ~hi Aug 21 10:33:34 ~botsnack Aug 21 10:34:02 wtf? Aug 21 10:36:31 does someone know how to get from elementary AnchorBlock which anchor was clicked? Aug 21 10:40:50 uh, i know how to do that in C Aug 21 10:40:55 morphis, where are you? ;x Aug 21 10:43:42 I was wondering. Why does contact lookup work on the Phone Log app, but not on the messages app? Aug 21 10:45:54 JaMa: maybe you could do a proper git format-patch on that, so you can be credited properly? Aug 21 10:47:30 Weiss: I'm still on 1.6.3, but that build error should be in your case too, no? DRI2_1_1_0 looks quite historic 02-Apr-2008 and I'm using version 2.1 now.. Aug 21 10:47:58 Weiss: credited for one "s"? no thanks :) Aug 21 10:48:38 lysgaard: configure phoneutils Aug 21 10:48:51 hehe.. no matter how small, it's still your work Aug 21 10:48:52 lysgaard: /etc/phone-utils.conf Aug 21 10:49:12 it's the version of the DRI2 protocol.. no error here (using Xorg git master) Aug 21 10:51:57 dos1: do i have to restart something? Aug 21 10:53:07 dos1: And what's the difference between international national preefix and the country_code? Aug 21 10:53:42 lysgaard: international_prefix = most probably 00 Aug 21 10:53:51 lysgaard: national_prefix = most probably blank or 0 Aug 21 10:54:11 lysgaard: country_code = international code of your country, 48 for poland Aug 21 10:54:31 1 for USA Aug 21 10:54:41 dos1: do i have to have the + sign. To call to norway it's +47 Aug 21 10:54:53 lysgaard: no, without + Aug 21 10:55:46 dos1: Well, it worked! =) Thanks Aug 21 10:56:29 dos1: Btw, when opim integration is done, will it contain a good contact lookup function, so that you don't have to set this config? Aug 21 10:56:52 lysgaard: it's already good contact lookup function, you'll have to set this config Aug 21 10:56:54 lysgaard: but Aug 21 10:57:08 lysgaard: we want to automate it and provide GUI for tuning Aug 21 10:57:53 dos1: Okay, something tells me that maybe just checking the 8 last digits in a number would suffice, it would not need any config Aug 21 10:58:10 lysgaard: no, that's bad Aug 21 10:59:16 dos1: Ok, just a thought Aug 21 11:01:20 JaMa: oh hang on, you're right that i did the ifdefs wrongly.. Aug 21 11:04:31 Weiss: i check dri2proto repository and didn't found change about Buffers/Buffer, so I wasn't sure where you get this version :) Aug 21 11:05:43 really? my dri2.h has {Create,Destroy}Buffer rather than Buffers.. Aug 21 11:06:25 it's in the X server repository.. hw/xfree86/dri2/dri2.h Aug 21 11:06:28 mmt Aug 21 11:07:55 ah, it's an abstraction in the server - the driver functions don't map directly onto the protocol Aug 21 11:09:07 http://www.pastebin.cz/22058 for dri2proto-2.1 Aug 21 11:09:38 there is said that CreateBuffer were added with version 2 Aug 21 11:10:44 i have DRI2INFOREC_VERSION=3 and the Buffers (plural) forms are removed.. Aug 21 12:04:36 does anyone have some knowledge of the fr audio hardware? Aug 21 12:04:57 i built myself an adaptor for 2.5mm 4 contacts to 3.5mm 3 contacts Aug 21 12:05:01 but it doesn't work Aug 21 12:05:08 insertion is detected, but i hear nothing Aug 21 12:05:42 the jack and socket are connected 1:1 with the tip of the 2.5mm jack left unconnected Aug 21 12:05:52 what am i doing wron? Aug 21 12:05:53 +g Aug 21 12:07:32 ALSA settings, maybe? Aug 21 12:07:45 speaker output is at 100% Aug 21 12:07:56 i just checked with my multimeter, the connections should work... Aug 21 12:08:15 dmesg says "mapped channel 10 to 2" when i insert the adaptor Aug 21 12:08:21 but the wiki page mentions channel 3 Aug 21 12:08:35 could that be a problem? Aug 21 12:09:05 farhaven: are you using correct state file? Aug 21 12:09:23 well, i'm using the one that is active when no call is running etc Aug 21 12:09:31 what i want to do is listen to mp3s with intone Aug 21 12:09:35 speakerout? Aug 21 12:09:40 i'll check Aug 21 12:09:43 use headset ;P Aug 21 12:10:11 heh, headsets are expensive :) Aug 21 12:10:40 what is the name of that control for amixer? Aug 21 12:10:45 so i can crank it up to 100% Aug 21 12:12:06 hmm, headphone is at 100% and headphone playback zc is on Aug 21 12:17:28 farhaven: don't be suggested by control name Aug 21 12:17:34 farhaven: use headset.state file Aug 21 12:17:39 k Aug 21 12:18:12 hmm, the state file has headphone playback volume at 127 Aug 21 12:18:46 crap Aug 21 12:19:13 could it be possible that in the fr the wiring for the 4 contact jack changed? Aug 21 12:19:24 i.e. tip is now ground or something Aug 21 12:20:23 i'll short tip to gnd, just to be sure... Aug 21 12:24:48 farhaven: your adapter is crap (sorry) Aug 21 12:26:07 please refer to wiki about how such an adapter to standard stereo-3.5mm has to be wired correctly Aug 21 12:27:56 farhaven: oh, sorry. maybe I got your explanation wrong Aug 21 12:29:03 yeah, because the wiki doesn't have anything on wiring 2.5 to 3.5 Aug 21 12:30:27 farhaven: I guess you're wrong on that. I remeber several quotes of mails I sent to ML Aug 21 12:30:41 well, it has the pinout Aug 21 12:30:49 but if followed that and yeah... Aug 21 12:31:42 hmm, it can't be the phone, the issue is in my adaptor Aug 21 12:33:27 farhaven: what pinout did you use for an adaptor? Aug 21 12:33:59 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rc386923999fa 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: implement basic functionality Aug 21 12:34:05 (with the pins numbered beginning on the cable side) 1:1 2:2 3:3 Aug 21 12:34:13 the tip of the 2.5mm is shorted to ground Aug 21 12:34:20 hrm... is mokonnect broken atm? Aug 21 12:34:20 but it didn't work without shorting either Aug 21 12:34:48 http://pastebin.org/10855 Aug 21 12:35:00 no wireless config made, no dhcp reply (obviously) Aug 21 12:35:01 farhaven: short tip to gnd is deprecated Aug 21 12:35:40 k, so i'll remove that Aug 21 12:35:47 is the rest of the wiring okay? Aug 21 12:37:55 hi, can anyone point me to a SHR release where sim gets detected... have the Aug 8 image Aug 21 12:38:06 farhaven: i doubt that Aug 21 12:38:09 Sup3rkiddo: Aug 8 ;p Aug 21 12:38:12 and it didnt Aug 21 12:38:12 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * raa849041ff23 10/ (data/opimd-notes.desktop setup.py): setup: add opimd-notes to install Aug 21 12:38:12 farhaven: there's pinout on the wiki Aug 21 12:38:20 PaulFertser: yeah, i followed that :( Aug 21 12:38:44 dos1, hmm :(, but it keeps telling me no SIM is present.... tried with 3 cards Aug 21 12:39:06 farhaven: no you didn't Aug 21 12:39:15 where did i go wrong? Aug 21 12:39:20 btw, what should be the correct uImage for that image? Aug 21 12:39:44 farhaven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset says that the nearest to the GND rind is Left. And on conventional headphones left is tip. Aug 21 12:39:59 hmm Aug 21 12:40:20 well, i switched left and right then... Aug 21 12:40:40 farhaven: yeah, should work nevertheless. No need to connect mic at all if you don't use it. Aug 21 12:40:46 hmm Aug 21 12:41:06 farhaven: should work o-o-b if you have frameworkd running. Just plug in and you'll hear the sound in your headphones. Aug 21 12:41:17 yeah, the phone side works Aug 21 12:41:27 i just tested with a pair of semi-broken headphones Aug 21 12:41:31 with a 2.5 jack Aug 21 12:41:35 only mono though Aug 21 12:42:27 farhaven: that's either due to wrong wiring of hs, or due to FR not switching to correct statefile for headset. stereoout state just yields mono Aug 21 12:42:38 farhaven: that's expected for some headsets, they use incompatible pinout. Aug 21 12:42:44 yep Aug 21 12:42:56 hmm Aug 21 12:43:07 it outputs right only, which is to be expected Aug 21 12:43:37 and the difference between the plugs is that the "working" one has a base twice as large as the non working one Aug 21 12:43:48 i guess i'll need to solder a bit more then :) Aug 21 12:43:50 huh? Aug 21 12:44:09 it doesn't have the second ring Aug 21 12:44:14 which allows it to be larger Aug 21 12:44:20 by which i mean longer Aug 21 12:44:46 farhaven: there are "special" apple plugs that are longer than normal 2.5/3.5mm diameter jacks. DON'T use those Aug 21 12:45:36 aah, yes. Then it's a normal 3contact plug (aka stereojack) Aug 21 12:46:16 farhaven: you might try to retract that plug by "one click" and probably get correct stereo Aug 21 12:47:00 i'll give it a try Aug 21 12:48:30 does connmand have a logfile or something? Aug 21 12:48:36 farhaven: if audio simply jumps over to the oposite side, then you have Amp set to speaker-output, which is incorrect for headphones and yields audio on LEFT channel of the 4contact hs-receptacle only Aug 21 12:49:46 nope, that works Aug 21 12:49:49 farhaven: all the mixer controlls for built-in speaker "stereoout" are identical to headset mode - except amp_mode speakerout Aug 21 12:49:49 okay Aug 21 12:49:53 phone side is all right Aug 21 12:51:10 DBusException: org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty Aug 21 12:51:12 :( Aug 21 12:51:42 farhaven: ...which means if you got audio on built-in speaker, and insert headset it will yield audio on left channel very first moment (if the headset is wired correctly). Then odeviced (or whatever) kicks in and loads the statefile for headset as it detects JACK_INSERT Aug 21 12:54:05 farhaven: during insertion of the plug you hear audio on right channel for a very short moment, when plug comes across the "one click retracted" position which contacts 2nd contact from bottom of receptacle to 3rd contact from bottom of jack (which is supposed to be right chan) Aug 21 12:56:12 DocScrutinizer: any idea about mokonnect/connman and wifi in current shr-u? Aug 21 12:56:38 blindcoder: Have you tried turning it off and on again?.. Aug 21 12:56:38 woohoo! Aug 21 12:56:40 it works :D Aug 21 12:57:10 TeLLuS: also rebooting the device Aug 21 12:57:22 DocScrutinizer: exactly Aug 21 12:57:32 how would i switch it to stereo out then? Aug 21 12:57:34 TeLLuS: mokonnect print this when I click "Apply": DBusException: org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty Aug 21 12:58:24 blindcoder: not at all. ask mrmoku|away Aug 21 12:58:58 blindcoder: sorry Aug 21 12:59:03 blindcoder, DocScrutinizer: mrmoku|away is on vacations, ask F4t Aug 21 12:59:18 yup Aug 21 12:59:20 better Aug 21 12:59:32 F4t: ping Aug 21 12:59:55 farhaven: (to stereo...) as mentioned above it's a matter of switching mode of amplifier Aug 21 13:00:06 blindcoder: Does everything else work? Maybe something you just upgraded need an extra reinstall? I need to test with latest version again when I get home. Aug 21 13:00:12 farhaven: moment, I'll get the correct control name for you Aug 21 13:00:17 thx a lot Aug 21 13:00:48 TeLLuS: I already force-reinstalled connmand* and mokonnect. let me try if bluetooth works. Aug 21 13:00:53 farhaven: numid=94,iface=MIXER,name='Amp Spk Switch' Aug 21 13:00:58 only diff I'm sure of is that I don't have SIM card inserted at the moment Aug 21 13:01:01 thx Aug 21 13:02:27 farhaven: please notice: this should happen automatically by detection of JACK_INSERT which triggers fso-framework to load the correct statefile (can't recall the file's name ATM). Anyway this file should differ from stereoout.state only in setting of control #94 Aug 21 13:02:27 blindcoder: libfso*, libgsm* and fso-abyss Aug 21 13:03:17 farhaven: ...plus your individula volume/equ settings for headset of course Aug 21 13:03:35 farhaven: ...as that's the purpose of those staefiles (for now) Aug 21 13:04:33 farhaven: lease come back and report on either success or problems/questions you encountered Aug 21 13:04:38 farhaven: ping me hen Aug 21 13:04:42 Then Aug 21 13:06:38 TeLLuS: bluetooth works fine Aug 21 13:07:35 i will Aug 21 13:09:16 TeLLuS: reinstalling stuff now Aug 21 13:17:23 after reboot, still same error Aug 21 13:17:34 I'll try flashing the last image onto my sd card Aug 21 13:18:11 maybe something broke in one opkg upgrade Aug 21 13:18:29 otherwise I got backups from when it still worked Aug 21 13:23:24 booting again Aug 21 13:29:46 to whom it may concern (forgot who asked a few days ago): inactive GPRS seems to push modem power supply current from ~15mA to ~21mA Aug 21 13:30:49 I guess that's due to sleep-state not enetred (that long/often?) as modem needs to listen for inbound data Aug 21 13:32:23 so I expect this 21mA figure holds true for sleep=4 as well - which otherwise (without GPRS) should result in ~4..8mA Aug 21 13:33:55 DocScrutinizer: hum, i'm still doing something wrong... toggling the amp switch switches the internal phone speaker on/off Aug 21 13:34:09 headphones are still one side only :/ Aug 21 13:34:51 yes, that's the expected behaviour you have internal speaker off and headphones to on. Aug 21 13:35:01 yup Aug 21 13:35:09 but how can i get stereo in my headphones? Aug 21 13:35:46 if you still have one side only, its either your headset pinout, or some stupid settings in mixer disabling the one channel Aug 21 13:35:53 hmm Aug 21 13:37:34 I suggest you fist check which statefile (if any) gets restored on hs-plugin Aug 21 13:37:49 fiRst Aug 21 13:37:55 where can i check that? Aug 21 13:38:00 some "smart" guy is reporting tickets about SHR on om tracker ;x Aug 21 13:38:28 anyone knows where mokonnect is storing its configuration? Aug 21 13:38:31 farhaven: some frameworkd.log or other *.log Aug 21 13:38:38 k Aug 21 13:38:45 sorry can not reproduce here ATM Aug 21 13:38:55 lol, it's the wiring Aug 21 13:38:59 bad soldering somewhere Aug 21 13:39:04 maybe even logread or dmesg Aug 21 13:39:05 i just touched the wire and got stereo Aug 21 13:39:10 thanks for your help :) Aug 21 13:39:16 np Aug 21 13:39:44 farhaven: is it really stereo? or just a short between left and right? :-P Aug 21 13:39:52 hehe, could also be Aug 21 13:39:54 i'll check Aug 21 13:40:14 find some audio with good stereo you easily can realize Aug 21 13:40:48 /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py Aug 21 13:40:51 that's it Aug 21 13:42:09 farhaven: which distro? Aug 21 13:42:54 shr unstable Aug 21 13:43:22 farhaven: ok. Aug 21 13:43:56 grep the logs for "state" Aug 21 13:44:40 hmm, a lot of stuff from odeviced Aug 21 13:44:44 state changed to * Aug 21 13:44:52 * being busy, idle and stuff Aug 21 13:46:26 hmm, looks like the socket i soldered the plug to is a bit borked Aug 21 13:48:50 farhaven: I found commandaction amixer -d sset "amp spk" mute Aug 21 13:49:14 so maybe there's no loading of a dedicated statefile at all :-/ Aug 21 13:49:22 I never checked that Aug 21 13:50:26 yes, that's basically a bug in fso Aug 21 13:51:21 tail /var/log/fram*.log Aug 21 13:51:33 unplug/plug hs-jack Aug 21 13:53:24 yeah, it was the socket that was broken Aug 21 13:53:35 i now soldered directly to the headphone plug and it works Aug 21 13:53:37 great! :D Aug 21 13:59:57 larsc: around? Aug 21 14:02:06 my backup from 20090813 connects to wlan just fine Aug 21 14:04:27 farhaven: do not short tip to gnd. it will simulate a press of HOLD and might cause useless power drainage Aug 21 14:13:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rc07b76dc0722 10/data/icons/ (newnote.png newtag.png note.png search.png tags.png): Add icons for opimd-notes Aug 21 14:14:47 DocScrutinizer: thx Aug 21 14:15:23 farhaven: yw Aug 21 14:17:20 farhaven: still you probably will notice missing bass on headphones, when listening to music. That's the age-old notorious bass-problem caused by incredibly wrong capacitors in all Neos Aug 21 14:18:22 hehe, yeah Aug 21 14:18:28 ah well, it could be worse Aug 21 14:18:38 i'm listening to black metal most of the time Aug 21 14:18:46 there's almost no bass in there anyway Aug 21 14:23:35 DocScrutinizer: i still don't understand one thing Aug 21 14:23:44 DocScrutinizer: *WHY* there are wrong capacitors? Aug 21 14:24:21 DocScrutinizer: noone tested it previously? noone thought about correct capacitors? were they placed randomly? "check, if it works then leave as is"? Aug 21 14:24:30 dos1: that's a mystery and it'll stay this way forever Aug 21 14:24:57 maybe the chinese factory building the phone misread the label on the plans :) Aug 21 14:25:11 though the last quote probably has a lot of truth in that issue Aug 21 15:04:39 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rc45a69c3026c 10/data/icons/ (deletenote.png editnote.png): Add editnote and deletenote icons. Aug 21 15:09:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rafd9ed6c0c04 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind new separator widget Aug 21 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r2ac674127885 10/vapi/ecore.vapi: ecore.vapi: add missing visibility for constructors Aug 21 15:12:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r98906c33dfd2 10/data/icons/ (delete.png deletenote.png quit.png): Update icons. Aug 21 15:21:52 omfg... nokia n900 is gonna be running gnu linux Aug 21 15:25:06 Weiss: yes Aug 21 15:26:07 larsc: aha.. i'm wondering if you've had any problems with Illume icons squishing into three columns instead of four. i think it's to do with something reporting the wrong screen geometry, but i can't work it out. everything else looks fine Aug 21 15:27:50 Weiss: not that i remember. so you have empty space where the fourth column should be? Aug 21 15:28:48 larsc: the background fills it, and the illume bar is (apparently) the right width, just no icons.. Aug 21 15:33:17 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd77b6f40b5e3 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: add icons, implement all base functions, add "Not yet implemented" screens to tags and search. Aug 21 15:37:10 hm, rather strange. if the icons had a different size it could be wrong dpi. But if everything is the same as before the probably not the case Aug 21 15:39:04 yeah :S Aug 21 15:40:22 i guess you'll have to read the e17 source code Aug 21 15:41:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r13cbb76e773d 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: make anchors blue Aug 21 15:41:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r4c88886ff26a 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-themes Aug 21 15:41:59 Weiss: btw. are you already in HH? Aug 21 15:43:04 that happened to scap? Aug 21 15:45:49 larsc: nope.. waiting for my PhD examiners to organise my viva, still.. Aug 21 15:46:52 ok Aug 21 15:53:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * re26ff381af8b 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: add "Are you sure?" dialog when deleting Aug 21 16:08:56 s/that/what/ Aug 21 16:09:02 but i know now :P Aug 21 16:11:20 btw, did anyone look into that issue with the illume keyboard on rotated screens failing? Aug 21 16:11:44 the bug is assigned to Ainulindale, but nothing new came since it was reported Aug 21 16:13:40 farhaven: i would say "UPSTREAM, CLOSED" ;P Aug 21 16:13:59 damn :D Aug 21 16:14:12 Bug assigned to me? Wow :-) Aug 21 16:15:40 Ainulindale: adding opimd-notes to fat image is change or new functionality? ;p Aug 21 16:16:05 (i think you know about what i'm talking ;)) Aug 21 16:16:31 well new func to me Aug 21 16:16:59 so i don't have to ask maillist? :D Aug 21 16:17:09 COnsider that as a boon from me to you :-) Aug 21 16:21:37 Ainulindale: :D thank you ;D Aug 21 16:23:00 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution?from=rss Aug 21 16:23:54 please start to think about presents for my retirement party as FR active member Aug 21 16:24:44 i wonder if it can run shr :D Aug 21 16:28:30 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r2155a6368550 10/data/icons/ (7 files): opimd-notes: make icons looking better on x11-16 Aug 21 16:28:41 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r63d02c5484f4 10/opimd-notes: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Aug 21 16:30:10 http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml Aug 21 16:30:50 ofono? Aug 21 16:31:14 no idea. maemo for now Aug 21 16:42:23 where do I post a feature request for the illume keyboard? The feature I'd like to see is "just show what I typed, besides all the possible corrections you can come up, so that I can actually quickly choose the word that I actually typed" Aug 21 16:44:01 upstream, i guess Aug 21 16:44:37 farhaven: yup, enlightenment Aug 21 16:44:50 farhaven: or to raster when he'll be there ;) Aug 21 16:44:59 but raster == enlightenment ;D Aug 21 16:45:23 hehe Aug 21 16:45:23 heh Aug 21 16:45:27 so that's http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/, right? Aug 21 16:46:19 yeah Aug 21 16:47:48 thanks Aug 21 16:55:41 there we go, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/406 Aug 21 17:05:24 raaasteeeeeeeeerrr Aug 21 17:05:29 where is he? ;x Aug 21 17:05:44 yeah, i want a working keyboard in landscape mode :D Aug 21 17:05:45 there are LOTS of useful patches for illume and/or elementary on enlightenment trac! Aug 21 17:05:49 not merged! Aug 21 17:06:27 farhaven: it isn't blocker issue, as you can always restart enlightenment and have keyboard in landscape mode... Aug 21 17:06:36 killall -HUP enlightenment while in landscape and you're in home Aug 21 17:06:52 but on enlightenment trac there are lots of work on illume. ignored :( Aug 21 17:06:55 yeah, but i can't do that while i'm on the road :/ Aug 21 17:07:28 farhaven: then use portrait while you're on road ;P Aug 21 17:07:37 sucks :D Aug 21 17:07:51 well, how are you switching to landscape? Aug 21 17:07:58 xrandr -o left Aug 21 17:08:13 so why can't you also do "killall -HUP enlightenment" after that? :P Aug 21 17:08:23 hmm :D Aug 21 17:08:52 bbs Aug 21 17:28:28 hey gang, quick question: has anyone been experiencing crashes during the englightenment setup after a fresh install of SHR? I was running the current testing version about a month ago, then flahsed with unstable. When I decided to flash back to testing, It keeps crashing during boot. Re-flasing with unstable causes it to crash as well. Aug 21 17:28:40 GTA02 Aug 21 17:30:13 It's not a kernel panic, since I can still acess the freerunner via ssh, It just looks like X crashes. Aug 21 18:03:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3f1625c755d7 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix copy'n'paste error Aug 21 18:03:26 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5596996edea0 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: catch up with changes in dbus errors Aug 21 18:03:27 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * ra40b7b1faca2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_notes.py: opimd: Notes: implement GetTags method Aug 21 18:18:29 dos1: can you tell me a bit more about the shr-installer? Is this a tool that'll let you browse the repo and install things from the FR? Aug 21 18:18:52 wjbaird: yup. more technically elementary PackageKit frontend Aug 21 18:19:25 * wjbaird is reading the packagekit website... Aug 21 18:20:29 but what will be a backend? opkg have packagekit support? Aug 21 18:20:53 max_posedon: wtf? Aug 21 18:20:59 max_posedon: packagekit has opkg support ;p Aug 21 18:21:17 dos1: ah - so PackageKit is what was in some of the OM* releases? Aug 21 18:21:36 dos1, ah, nice Aug 21 18:21:43 wjbaird: in om2008, yes, with Assassin as frontend Aug 21 18:21:56 hello alll Aug 21 18:21:56 wjbaird: but it was really old version - 0.2. now 0.5 is available Aug 21 18:22:26 and assassin was very limited Aug 21 18:23:02 gotcha - I liked the idea of it in OM2008, but I thought the implementation was a bit ... flawed. I seem to recall that it had screenshots, eh? Aug 21 18:23:49 it had ... hmm... "icons" :P Aug 21 18:24:16 dos1: The question I had was this: If we do go ahead and build an app db side for the FR, and it has additional information - such as votes, comments, etc... Can that info be surfaced in shr-installer? Aug 21 18:24:50 wjbaird: why not? i could download that extra data on fly from internet Aug 21 18:25:00 I don't know if that means making packagekit pull info from two sources, or making shr-installer pull info from two sources... Aug 21 18:25:14 wjbaird: i think about extending shr-installer Aug 21 18:25:44 cool - I think that'd work. Would be pretty nice, IMO... Aug 21 18:25:46 social, shr-installer will be just packagekit frontend in elementary designed for small resolution? nothing more. Aug 21 18:26:06 max_posedon: that's what it is now Aug 21 18:26:46 * social wonders what it has to do with him Aug 21 18:27:00 wjbaird: but there are few bugs in opkg backend in PackageKit. it would be nice if you could find someone to fix that ;) Aug 21 18:27:02 haven't e17 ubuntu smth like this already? Aug 21 18:27:29 i don't think so Aug 21 18:27:43 social, nothing, typo mistake, typing from neo in subway Aug 21 18:28:31 dos1: on a related note - how are the shr bb files managed? git? If we wanted to allow additional details from the app db to be pushed back into the BB files - how feasible would that be? Aug 21 18:28:58 wjbaird: openembedded git, shr/import branch Aug 21 18:29:10 wjbaird: well, i don't think bb files are designed for that Aug 21 18:29:24 wjbaird: (i'm Sebastian Krzyszkowiak from ml ;)) Aug 21 18:29:54 dos1: Yeah - I figured that out - which is why I'm quizing you on shr-installer... :-) I must admit I know next to nothing about bb... Aug 21 18:30:17 Ooops, and I'm late for a meeting... bbl. Aug 21 18:30:22 wjbaird: i think parsing bb files (or Packages file in repositories) to get packages info, and then storing additional information in that database is the way to go Aug 21 18:30:32 dos1: yeah, makes sense... Aug 21 18:33:40 wjbaird: if i'll find time for that i'll even try to implement voting, commenting etc. in shr-installer (if you'll provide good api ;)) Aug 21 18:35:00 wjbaird: but keep in mind package architectures (it should be usable on other devices too). Store and expose as many data as you can, so it won't be as unusable as opkg.org ;) Aug 21 18:35:15 and even if it'll be, then people will be able to use that database Aug 21 19:24:20 so, does anyone else have their freerunners crash on boot immediately after flashing SHR? Aug 21 19:25:04 Andre613: flash shr-lite 08.08, not shr-fat Aug 21 19:25:39 dos1: ok, I'll try that Aug 21 19:25:41 thanks Aug 21 19:29:28 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * ra73a3938029f 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: implement filtering by tag Aug 21 19:29:39 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rdd0a3a96976b 10/data/icons/ (7 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Aug 21 19:31:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd671d457b2fd 10/data/icons/next.png: Add next icon. Aug 21 19:31:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * ra0d8fc1c5cc3 10/opimd-notes: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Aug 21 19:33:00 i really like opimd now :) Aug 21 19:33:02 (looking at Notes domain usage) Aug 21 19:33:22 it should be started by doing GenericDomain, and then Notes and Calls domain Aug 21 19:33:29 only after that Contacts and Messages :P Aug 21 19:34:18 i have tags and searching in notes for free using opimd... and custom fields possible, which can also be used for filtering Aug 21 19:34:47 so every app can use the same data, and it's also extendable - not every app has to support all functions Aug 21 19:40:29 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd71fe431f568 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: display and store timestamp Aug 21 19:41:15 dos1: Is opimd at the point where it can be used 'for real'??? Aug 21 19:41:35 wjbaird: basic features are there now for long, long time Aug 21 19:42:11 (well, for me month is long time regarding openmoko ;P) Aug 21 19:42:17 lol Aug 21 19:42:36 and it's usable Aug 21 19:42:42 wjbaird: probably you're even using it now Aug 21 19:42:52 wjbaird: as pyphonelog uses opimd Calls domain Aug 21 19:43:01 and Contacts too Aug 21 19:43:36 and now i'm finishing opimd-notes Aug 21 19:43:47 which probably will be shipped with image Aug 21 19:44:18 wjbaird: phone apps using opimd has to be written. but our developers are lazy asses :P Aug 21 19:44:27 (including me of course :)) Aug 21 19:44:50 :-) http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/larrywall141510.html Aug 21 19:45:28 I became such a lazy developer that I now mostly just tell other devlopers what to do... Aug 21 19:48:14 wjbaird: damn, holy right! :D (quote ;)) Aug 21 19:49:25 dos1: Absolutely.... Aug 21 19:50:02 BTW - after I did my first opkg upgrade recently (from the July 03 image) I haven't been able to get wifi working at all... Any known issues in that area? Aug 21 19:50:18 did you tried power on wifi? Aug 21 19:51:09 max_posedon: captain obvious, is that you? Aug 21 19:51:13 ;) Aug 21 19:51:28 i have always issues with wifi ;) Aug 21 19:52:04 PaulFertser, if I'm captain obvious, why are you asking?) Aug 21 19:52:06 wjbaird: what kind of problems are you experiencing? Aug 21 19:52:21 max_posedon: just to make sure Aug 21 19:52:47 captain stupid questions? ;) Aug 21 19:53:49 dos1: Tried installing shr-lite, enlightenment setup still crashes on me. Aug 21 19:54:24 Andre613: that's really strange then ;x Aug 21 19:55:10 dos1: that's a russian internet mem, we had a russian bash.org with quotes and sometime ago it was "elitist" enough so many people couldn't get the jokes. So one guys started a site explaining every joke from the front page. He called himself "Captain Obvious". Aug 21 19:56:42 PaulFertser: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Obvious ;) Aug 21 19:56:49 dos1: Yeah, no kidding. I don't understand what the heck is going on. It's like X isn't responding to touchscreen taps properly. Aug 21 19:57:25 PaulFertser: (sorry - was on a call) - I've tried both iwconfig essid 'network', and a simple wpa_supplicant config to connect to an open network that I was reliably able to connect to before the upgrade... Aug 21 19:58:22 PaulFertser: It *seems* to associate, and dhcp seems to work and get an IP, but after that no packets seem to get out - I can't ping the dns server, or the default gateway... Aug 21 19:58:36 wjbaird: maxperf? Aug 21 19:58:56 I can try it... you think it'd give this kind of a result? Aug 21 19:59:54 wjbaird: yes Aug 21 20:00:49 Hmm. Strange - now it won't let me turn on the wifi radio in the settings panel - it keeps flipping back to off when I try to turn it on... Aug 21 20:01:24 wjbaird: turn off your FR Aug 21 20:01:32 wjbaird: or better, try to do it;) Aug 21 20:01:56 probably shutting down will be interrupted by kernel oopses, and finally: panic Aug 21 20:01:57 wjbaird: hm, but you know the article about fso resources, don't you? Aug 21 20:02:01 (as on my neo) Aug 21 20:02:52 wjbaird: (that's supposed to mean: don't use shr settings to turn wifi on/off) Aug 21 20:03:03 PaulFertser, dos1: get a message about expecting a power change for WiFi to 1 which didn't happen. Aug 21 20:03:36 PaulFertser: Yeah, I know - but I thought that was simply because Shr settings was a bit wasteful... I thought it would work, just wasn't ideal... Aug 21 20:03:38 PaulFertser: any suggestions for me to improve that? Aug 21 20:04:23 BTW - I upgraded my NAND from Qi (which wouldn't boot SHR for me) to u-boot... and I started seeing behaviour like this after I upgraded u-boot... could that be causing issues? Aug 21 20:05:21 dos1: remove the switch ;) Aug 21 20:05:43 wjbaird: extremely unlikely Aug 21 20:05:52 PaulFertser: extreme suggestion ;) Aug 21 20:06:18 dos1: the only logical idea i can think of Aug 21 20:07:33 wjbaird: are you sure Qi couldn't boot shr for you? Do you mean it couldn't boot it from NAND? Hm... Aug 21 20:07:48 PaulFertser: i would rather like to see FSO resource policy better handled, and kernel fixed :P Aug 21 20:08:03 wjbaird: i hope it's not the old bad block table / oob data differences... Aug 21 20:08:21 dos1: have you seen my letter to Harald about ar6000 on the kernel ML? Aug 21 20:08:35 PaulFertser: it seemed pretty repeatable - I rebooted about 4 or 5 times in the old u-boot and never saw this problem with shr-settings... then several times in the new u-boot and couldn't turn on wifi... Finally I think the 5th boot on the new u-boot and it let me start wifi... Aug 21 20:08:36 PaulFertser: yup Aug 21 20:08:48 PaulFertser: i hope something will move... Aug 21 20:10:26 SO, check it out guys! It seems my problems weren't with the software! Some crap accumulated on the bottom edge gap of the screen, and was putting enough pressure for the screen to not properly respond... Aug 21 20:11:28 PaulFertser: I had Qi and Android installed on my FR when SDG did the buzz fix - worked fine with Android. but when I flashed SHR it got as far as loading the kernel and then seemed to hang... Aug 21 20:12:36 wjbaird: Qi from Koolu?! Aug 21 20:12:41 Oh fucking shit! Aug 21 20:13:18 dos1: Just shutdown my FR and didn't see any panics or other strange messages... Aug 21 20:13:44 PaulFertser: I have no idea what Qi flavour they installed - did Koolu do their own Qi? Aug 21 20:13:51 wjbaird: YES Aug 21 20:14:04 and it's crap... Aug 21 20:14:41 wjbaird: yes, that assholes do exactly that kind of shit :( without a word of warning despite being asked repeatedly to educate their users. Aug 21 20:15:00 dos1: ah - well, that would explain it then... :-) I re-flashed the latest u-boot a couple of days ago, and since then have had the trouble I describe in terms of getting wifi to power up... Aug 21 20:15:11 wjbaird: it doesn't mean that proper Qi would boot the system but it's quite possible that the problem is their dirty "fork". Aug 21 20:15:29 PaulFertser, dos1: Am I better off to go with the stock Qi, or the most recent u-boot? Aug 21 20:15:50 wjbaird: don't you know that i'm heavily biased towards Qi? ;) Aug 21 20:15:56 wjbaird: hmm... well, i think Qi is more supported Aug 21 20:16:00 wjbaird: and PaulFertser prefers Qi ;P Aug 21 20:16:06 and i'm also using Qi Aug 21 20:16:12 PaulFertser: well, to be honest - no, I didn't... :-) Aug 21 20:16:55 well - maybe I'll reflash Qi now, and see if it fixes anything... since I've already shut down... :-) Aug 21 20:17:32 dos1: i'm not sure there's still full agreement between the way NOR u-boot and Qi and the kernel treates bad blocks :( Aug 21 20:18:45 PaulFertser: Since I've already been burned once, can you confirm that http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu is the right qi to install? Aug 21 20:19:03 wjbaird: no Aug 21 20:19:06 PaulFertser: hmm? Aug 21 20:19:32 hmm... /me doesn't know how old Qi he has ;x Aug 21 20:19:49 PaulFertser: so the Qi wikipage is out of date? Or do I need to be running the testing or 'unstable' versions? Aug 21 20:19:53 wjbaird: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr243+36bb5c03756268ff15b2d95a043ffb39a919ce5c.udfu Aug 21 20:21:08 PaulFertser: what's the diff between the 'experimental' and the stable one? The Qi page seems to imply that the stable one is the one to use... Aug 21 20:22:10 wjbaird: bugfixes, probably unrelated. Also andy personal directory might have a version not updated even with the latest bugfixes. You can see git log at git.openmoko.org and judge for yourself. Aug 21 20:24:18 PaulFertser: I'll trust your judgement - as long as there isn't crazy bleeding edge development actively going on, I'm sure it's fine... Aug 21 20:24:37 wjbaird: nothing active currently Aug 21 20:25:44 PaulFertser: definitely works better than what I got from SDG - I've gotten as far as the SHR boot screen, anways - farther than I got before... Aug 21 20:26:03 some strange errors about FAT: invalid media value (0x00) Aug 21 20:26:16 wjbaird: wtf on your uSD? Aug 21 20:26:52 wjbaird: you won't believe it but right atm i'm having almost the same conversation with |Marco| at #openmoko ;) Aug 21 20:26:53 PaulFertser: u-boot boot setup with om2009tr5 - small FAT partition with kernel, big ext3 partition with the rest. Aug 21 20:27:21 PaulFertser: small world, eh? Aug 21 20:28:12 wjbaird: unfortunately i don't see anybody i know from RL in OM community. Aug 21 20:30:56 PaulFertser: well, at least booting from Qi I don't see the behaviour I saw from the latest u-boot - it does let me power-on the wifi... Aug 21 20:33:16 wjbaird: i still doubt that since i don't see enough reasons for this difference in behaviour. But well, i don't know a even tiny bit of all the mysteries hiding in our small devices. Aug 21 20:34:15 PaulFertser: I just decided to continue over on openmoko, since a similar topic was discussed -but I also now see that wifi actually works after I boot with Qi... Aug 21 21:05:35 if I have fso-abyss as ti_calypso_muxer - I never get a pin prompt Aug 21 21:05:52 changing to gsm0710muxd and restarting frameworkd gives me one Aug 21 21:06:19 any ideas where to look? Aug 21 21:06:24 FiXion: either remove fso-monitord or gsm0710muxd from the system entirely. Aug 21 21:06:30 FiXion: known problem Aug 21 21:06:41 what does fso-monitord do? Aug 21 21:06:53 * FiXion likes to have gsm0710muxd installed as a fallback Aug 21 21:08:24 anyone know of a good app to rotate screen ? Aug 21 21:08:29 omnewrotate is rotate crazy Aug 21 21:09:03 would be fine with a button in the aux menu Aug 21 21:09:20 FiXion: fso-monitord should restart the failing parts of the framework. Apparently it restarts gsm0710muxd too ;) You can avoid it by moving its dbus activation file somewhere. Aug 21 21:09:22 rotate (which would just switch between two rotations) Aug 21 21:09:38 * FiXion is rather new to dbus Aug 21 21:09:47 where do I find gsm0710muxd's dbus activation file ? Aug 21 21:10:09 FiXion: /usr/share/dbus probably Aug 21 21:12:25 hmm - /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freesmartphone.omuxerd.service Aug 21 21:12:33 contains Exec=..fso-abyss Aug 21 21:13:41 ..=full path Aug 21 21:13:58 I'll just remove fso-monitord for now Aug 21 21:14:02 PaulFertser: thanks Aug 21 21:14:12 actually I'll just stay with gsm0710muxd for now :) Aug 21 21:14:27 PaulFertser: which browser do you use? Aug 21 21:14:34 for the freerunner :) Aug 21 21:14:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * recea50cf034a 10/data/icons/prev.png: Add prev icon Aug 21 21:16:03 FiXion: xlinks or midori. But i'm not an active web-user, esp. on FR. And i don't think that working JS or support of all fancy CSS stuff is a decent requirement for a browser. Aug 21 21:16:14 FiXion: i really recommend switching to fso-abyss. Aug 21 21:17:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r7df95b917a7b 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: add stub for adding tags Aug 21 21:17:00 FiXion: not omuxerd.service Aug 21 21:17:18 FiXion: look at org.pyneo.muxer, or something like that Aug 21 21:17:24 FiXion: omuxerd = fso-abyss Aug 21 21:17:43 FiXion: he's right Aug 21 21:18:08 FiXion: I had some good luck with woosh as a browser on OM2009 - so far I've been using midori on SHR, and it's ok, but I prefer the woosh UI - it wastes less real-estate... Aug 21 21:18:47 thanks dos1 Aug 21 21:19:19 i'm using "links -g" ;) Aug 21 21:19:22 should I just remove the org.pyneo file (which links to gsm0710muxd) ? Aug 21 21:19:42 FiXion: just move somewhere Aug 21 21:19:53 :) Aug 21 21:20:26 done and restarted.. Aug 21 21:20:36 wjbaird: i prefer to not use stupid sites that require fancy rendering or JS. And for that stuff links -g is very fast and decent. Aug 21 21:20:44 the gsm app still says connected :) Aug 21 21:21:10 killed gsm0710muxd - it still thinks it's connected Aug 21 21:21:23 dos1: you need to add that valueable info to some SHR tweaks or manual page probably. Aug 21 21:21:26 PaulFertser: I'll give it a try. Aug 21 21:22:21 where do I add buttons to the AUX menu? Aug 21 21:22:29 is it a C app as well? Aug 21 21:22:37 or a parsed language? Aug 21 21:23:14 http://vsen.dk/files/stog.php?url=/servlet/WapServlet?stationsid=600 looks bad in midori Aug 21 21:23:21 text overlaps Aug 21 21:23:32 I didn't make the css - and perhaps it's doing something nasty Aug 21 21:23:37 but it looks fine in firefox Aug 21 21:23:54 it's train arrival times btw. :) Aug 21 21:24:10 my own little wap interface :) Aug 21 21:28:13 hmm frameworkd doesn't start fso-abyss :( Aug 21 21:28:17 nor gsm0710muxd Aug 21 21:29:50 Oh, btw. I really didn't mean that all Koolu folks are assholes. It was a (bad taste) joke caused by my frustration about Qi "fork". Aug 21 21:29:55 Sorry. Aug 21 21:31:32 /usr/sbin/fso-abyss: error while loading shared libraries: libfsotransport.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Aug 21 21:31:39 when trying to run /usr/sbin/fso-abyss Aug 21 21:31:48 I have just opkg upgraded Aug 21 21:32:16 explains why fso-abyss doesn't start :( Aug 21 21:33:09 would anyone care to run: opkg search libfsotransport.so.0 Aug 21 21:33:14 and tell me what package it says it's a part of Aug 21 21:35:24 libfsotransport0 sounds likely.. :) Aug 21 21:38:10 and now it runs :) Aug 21 21:40:07 what do you guys do to get around the problem with lack of desktop space for icons? Aug 21 21:40:16 start apps using the terminal? Aug 21 21:40:27 * FiXion would like a menu Aug 21 21:41:25 FiXion: on OM2009 I was using c_c's 'launcher', which lets you sort applications into categories... I haven't installed enough stuff to make that necessary on SHR, yet. Aug 21 21:41:51 FiXion: but I'd definitely love some kind of quick launch mechanism. Aug 21 21:43:20 * FiXion thinks modifying the aux buttons would help Aug 21 21:43:27 if I could just add a few buttons to it :) Aug 21 21:43:43 I have an MPlayer icon on my desktop Aug 21 21:43:57 but nothing in /usr/share/applications match mplayer (grep -i mplayer) Aug 21 21:44:31 anyone know where desktop icons can hide themself? Aug 21 21:46:54 wjbaird: shr is filled from the install on my phone Aug 21 21:47:38 alarms, calendar, contacts, dialer, tangogps, intone, mplayer, sms, midori, mokonnect, navit, phonelog, pidgin, settings,sketch, terminal, todo, vagalu.., pcalc Aug 21 21:48:07 if I get wpa_supplicant working I'll gladly remove mokonnnect :) Aug 21 21:49:15 FiXion: try launcher, I'm using it Aug 21 21:49:33 I'll do that Aug 21 21:49:34 thanks Aug 21 21:50:27 it's on opkg.org I think Aug 21 21:51:28 anyone have gprs working? Aug 21 21:51:58 my APN is setup to internet - but and login and password is empty (as they should be according to my provider) Aug 21 21:52:20 I remember it saying it was connected at one point - never tested if it actually worked though Aug 21 21:52:27 now it keeps saying "disconnected" Aug 21 21:52:38 and can't find any relevang log entries Aug 21 22:02:46 crap Aug 21 22:03:01 aux button was changed in shr to only "locking/unlocking" Aug 21 22:03:17 I liked the "shutdown|lock etc. menu" Aug 21 22:22:48 FiXion, it always was on power) Aug 21 22:55:13 FiXion: I can't seem to get GPRS working either, whereas it did work three weeks ago, probably some update broke it Aug 21 23:01:43 with yesterday shr gprs works for me Aug 21 23:07:05 max_posedon: I'll do an upgrade before I try grps again ;-) Aug 22 00:10:12 is "opkg upgrade" safe? Aug 22 00:46:54 anyone using latest shr? Aug 22 00:53:13 I use yesterday's **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 22 02:59:57 2009