**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 22 02:59:57 2009
Aug 22 05:34:46 <FiXion> max_posedon: you're right - I was tired :)
Aug 22 05:35:02 <FiXion> max_posedon: I just did an update..
Aug 22 05:35:28 <FiXion> how can I start the gprs connection from a terminal?
Aug 22 05:35:33 <FiXion> (to debug)
Aug 22 05:36:17 <FiXion> Anyone know where the AUX button functionality is setup? and where the power button functionality is setup?
Aug 22 05:36:36 * FiXion wants to change the AUX button function
Aug 22 05:37:19 <FiXion> I'll see if this works though: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Omkeys_functions
Aug 22 05:37:24 <FiXion> but that's just an override
Aug 22 05:37:27 <FiXion> not as pretty
Aug 22 05:38:11 <FiXion> and actually a stupid idea.. as it means the AUX button will have the functionality needed for the latest running program
Aug 22 05:38:17 <FiXion> even if I swith to another one
Aug 22 05:38:41 <FiXion> anyone know if you can somehow map buttons pr. program - consistently in the vm
Aug 22 05:38:55 <FiXion> or actually how
Aug 22 05:39:11 <FiXion> it works with f.ex. F5 - it works differently depending on which program has focus
Aug 22 05:39:56 <FiXion> or perhaps that's because the program (firefox f.ex.) "catches" the F5 - instead of letting it pass through to the vm ?
Aug 22 05:40:15 * FiXion will go to work - have to get ready for my childs birthday :)
Aug 22 07:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: I guess it's other way round: if vm isn't catching it, then it reaches proggi with focus
Aug 22 07:21:53 <DocScrutinizer> s/vm/wm/
Aug 22 07:21:53 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: FiXion: I guess it's other way round: if wm isn't catching it, then it reaches proggi with focus
Aug 22 07:28:26 <sybren> morning
Aug 22 08:07:09 <froscon> anyone knows a working SIP client for the openmoko?
Aug 22 08:16:31 <sybren> auch... shr-messages segfaults on me
Aug 22 08:17:13 <sybren> http://pastebin.org/11070
Aug 22 08:42:48 <TeLLuS> Offtopic.. TenPenny Joke - Ambush On All Sides  http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/48486
Aug 22 08:51:59 <PaulFertser> froscon: linphone
Aug 22 09:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
Aug 22 09:11:28 <ptitjes> good morning
Aug 22 09:12:17 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: do you want to say that twinkle is already in the feeds? ;)
Aug 22 09:12:29 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: do you want to say that twinkle is already in the feeds?
Aug 22 09:12:29 <PaulFertser> ;)
Aug 22 09:18:56 <froscon> PaulFertser, afair a depency fails to compile
Aug 22 09:20:31 <PaulFertser> froscon: for twinkle? yes, that's why i suggest linphone.
Aug 22 09:29:55 <froscon> libexosip2 fails
Aug 22 09:33:20 <sybren> when I do xrandr -o right; killall -HUP enlightenment , the fonts and icons are shown much larger. Is there any way to shrink them back to their original size (or perhaps even a bit smaller)?
Aug 22 09:34:41 <froscon> no for linphone PaulFertser 
Aug 22 09:35:00 <PaulFertser> sybren: is it with xorg driver? Probably Xglamo bug, no?
Aug 22 09:36:17 <PaulFertser> froscon: linphone used to be compilable. Are the building problems you see really hard to solve? :-/
Aug 22 09:38:26 <sybren> PaulFertser: I haven't changed my X from the SHR unstable image, so I guess it's a Xglamo bug then
Aug 22 09:39:04 <PaulFertser> sybren: xglamo is known to be buggy, no idea if that's the cause of the bug you see or not but it's quite possibly.
Aug 22 09:40:43 <sybren> PaulFertser: is Xorg stable enough to use as a replacement?
Aug 22 09:42:03 <PaulFertser> sybren: ye
Aug 22 09:43:44 <sybren> but... no xorg in the opkg feed :(
Aug 22 09:55:47 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rcc019f16d57d 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.shr-project.org:shr-themes
Aug 22 09:55:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rf1a766abdb3c 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/flaunch.edc: e-wm-theme-niebiee: flaunch: fix layering (onclick effect is over label now)
Aug 22 09:55:59 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb0bd10d3c6a1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_notes.py: opimd: Notes: rename GetTags to GetUsedTags
Aug 22 09:56:31 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r4d946f6f6b6c 10/TODO: Update TODO
Aug 22 09:56:32 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rcc64b4610251 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: catch up with opimd GetTags -> GetUsedTags rename
Aug 22 09:56:33 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r56702998e134 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: implement tags
Aug 22 09:56:33 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd00c6bcc5db5 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: deselect "Add new tag..." after clicking
Aug 22 10:06:06 <ingi> Hi all, I'm getting a lot of "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup..." messages when running mdbus (and lshal). That really smells fishy so can anyone tell me how to resolve that ?
Aug 22 10:07:07 <ingi> (I'm running a home-built but very updated shr-unstable...)
Aug 22 10:07:42 <max_posedon> 2>/dev/null
Aug 22 10:07:53 <max_posedon> its "normal" output, don't worry
Aug 22 10:07:54 <PaulFertser> ingi: yes, that's a warning...
Aug 22 10:08:08 <PaulFertser> ingi: dbus folks haven't decided yet what to do about that problem
Aug 22 10:08:21 <ingi> ok, thanks then I wont :-)
Aug 22 10:08:53 <max_posedon> btw, I'll be a happy to have env variable to disable this warnings
Aug 22 10:09:15 <ingi> But what I'm worried about is that 'ophonekitd' doesn't find GSM!
Aug 22 10:09:15 <ingi> ** (process:1451): DEBUG: list_resources()
Aug 22 10:09:15 <ingi> ** (process:1451): DEBUG: list_resources_callback()
Aug 22 10:09:15 <ingi> ** (process:1451): DEBUG: GSM not available, try again in 5s
Aug 22 10:09:15 <ingi> ?
Aug 22 10:09:40 <ingi> (sorry about the flood...)
Aug 22 10:10:43 <ingi> fso-abyss is the chosen muxer in /etc/frameworkd.conf and it is running!
Aug 22 10:11:04 <PaulFertser> ingi: check if gsm0710muxd is running too.
Aug 22 10:11:07 <PaulFertser> ingi: it shouldn't
Aug 22 10:11:26 <PaulFertser> ingi: better remove it from the system, it's known that fso-monitord restarted it when it shouldn't have to.
Aug 22 10:12:25 <ingi> gsm0710muxd is not running, I even moved the 'org.pyneo.muxer.service' file from /usr/share/dbus-1/... so I think it's out of the way.
Aug 22 10:12:26 <playya_> you never stop frameword
Aug 22 10:14:25 <PaulFertser> ingi: have you tried to restart frameworkd after that?
Aug 22 10:15:06 <ingi> many times, I even rebooted the phone with 2 different SIM-cards...
Aug 22 10:16:15 <dos1> ingi: opkg install -force-reinstall fso-abyss fsousaged libgee0 libfsotransport0 libfsobasics0 libgsm0710-0 libgsm0710mux0?
Aug 22 10:16:28 <dos1> (i just typed everything i had in mind, maybe something will help ;))
Aug 22 10:17:41 <ingi> dos1: thanks I'll try that. (right now I'm trying 'opkg -force-depends remove fso-gsm0710muxd')
Aug 22 10:17:53 <dos1> raster: ping ;p
Aug 22 10:20:59 <dos1> raster: there are tons of (looking like) usable, but forgotten patches for illume on enlightenment trac!\
Aug 22 10:21:00 <PaulFertser> dos1: are you sure "cell info" and "cell broadcast" are not the same?
Aug 22 10:21:25 <dos1> PaulFertser: in every other dumb phone i had it was exposed differently
Aug 22 10:21:40 <dos1> cell broadcast was exposed like messages
Aug 22 10:21:51 <dos1> and cell info was exposed on main screen
Aug 22 10:22:33 <dos1> maybe it was just renamed "display channel 50 on screen", but it didn't have such limitations as cell broadcast
Aug 22 10:23:01 <dos1> and cell broadcasts came often some time after cell info was displayed
Aug 22 10:23:20 <dos1> well, i don't have sources, i can't tell you what exactly it was ;)
Aug 22 10:23:39 <dos1> raster: and what happened with my toolbar elementary patch? :P
Aug 22 10:24:27 <rhkfin> Hey people, would't be ok to add om2009 links to the topic too? AFAIK this isn't supposed to be a SHR only -channel?
Aug 22 10:25:05 <dos1> there is only link about FSOSHRUDCON
Aug 22 10:25:16 <dos1> and notice, which probably should be removed now
Aug 22 10:25:37 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: btw, wanted to ask you about om2009
Aug 22 10:25:50 <rhkfin> how about adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
Aug 22 10:25:55 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: shoot
Aug 22 10:26:04 <rhkfin> I might not be able to answer but anyway..
Aug 22 10:26:11 <dos1> rhkfin: why for? ;x
Aug 22 10:26:30 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: can you please explain why don't you and other paroli folks just work together with SHR so using paroli on SHR will be as natural as ophonekitd+friends? Is there really any reason to maintain a separate _distro_?
Aug 22 10:26:31 <dos1> well, if someone is here (on -cdevel), then he should know about available distros ;P
Aug 22 10:26:48 <rhkfin> dos1: indeed :)
Aug 22 10:27:20 <TAsn> bah, I'm soo busy :(
Aug 22 10:27:26 <TAsn> All because of stupid MOT
Aug 22 10:27:33 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I'm not coding -> I don't make any decisions.. I think you should talk to nytowl and vegyraupe about this, they are the ones who hold the wires..
Aug 22 10:27:40 <TAsn> those *swear word* ditched me 
Aug 22 10:28:19 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: you're one of the users and community members. I haven't seen nytowl active recently, and i guess Mirko is quite busy in Qi.
Aug 22 10:28:30 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I agree.
Aug 22 10:28:43 <TAsn> It should be something like ubuntu vs kubuntu
Aug 22 10:28:51 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: i just don't see any reason to maintain another distro when all you want is a telephony_and_more app.
Aug 22 10:29:11 <dos1> rhkfin: well, om2009 distro isn't maintained now. only paroli has some (little) activity
Aug 22 10:30:08 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: yes and no - nytowl is active here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=fso/milestone5.5 and Mirko.. every onw and then works on Paroli. Then there are other people working on paroli+pyneo integration 
Aug 22 10:30:12 <rhkfin> dos1: so?
Aug 22 10:30:20 <rhkfin> the distributions wiki page also points to toher distros
Aug 22 10:31:18 <dos1> rhkfin: hmm?
Aug 22 10:31:26 <dos1> rhkfin: i mean the same what PaulFertser :P
Aug 22 10:31:28 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I don't know much about SHR but from what I've heard is that it's ~bloated, new features are added before the previous ones are stable -> AFAIK the point of om2009 is to make it stable with lesser features. Sorry if I've been misinformed or hurt someone with this..
Aug 22 10:31:36 <rhkfin> dos1: ah, ok
Aug 22 10:31:53 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: we're talking about _distro_ not about apps.
Aug 22 10:32:03 <rhkfin> -> yes, paroli & om2009 is a bit slow as no-one paid is working on it but still there are some proggress happening
Aug 22 10:32:15 <dos1> rhkfin: hmm. you're misinformed, even about apps :P
Aug 22 10:32:22 <dos1> (and on shr no-one is paid too ;P)
Aug 22 10:32:32 <rhkfin> bearstech is behind it, isn't it?
Aug 22 10:32:36 <dos1> rhkfin: no?
Aug 22 10:32:39 <dos1> rhkfin: only hosting?
Aug 22 10:32:44 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 22 10:32:45 <dos1> (or i don't know something)
Aug 22 10:33:28 <rhkfin> So anyway, AFAIK the people (=nytowl and vegyraupe) want it to be stable & simple. THat's all I can say, sorry..
Aug 22 10:33:51 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: what's not stable in shr _distro_ (not apps)?
Aug 22 10:33:57 <rhkfin> Personally I'm curious to see what'll happen after stable om2009, if there will be capable people to develope it further
Aug 22 10:34:19 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I don't know, I'm sure you'll be able to tell me better..
Aug 22 10:35:34 <PaulFertser> dos1: i think it would be beneficial if nytowl maintained distro portions of shr testing... 
Aug 22 10:35:35 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: but I'd be happy to see Paroli integrated for SHR too. From what I've read in the showroom thread, there are people willing to package stuff to SHR per request
Aug 22 10:35:46 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: indeed
Aug 22 10:36:52 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: yes, I've also heard some discussion where it was mentioned that the testing of SHR should be made stable and not a random dump of unstable.. And maybe also a branch of SHR would be beneficial to have ~only the telephone app (paroli or whatevershr'susing) on it, nothing more
Aug 22 10:37:49 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: a special branch with telephony? It doesn't make any sense, one might want a ready-to-flash filesystem like that but it doesn't require a branch.
Aug 22 10:38:09 <rhkfin> Personally I'd really much like to see nytowl and vegyraupe have more time to contribute to OM2009&paroli - it's been suffering a bit after OM quit supporting it :/
Aug 22 10:38:30 <dos1> PaulFertser: ++ for nytowl and shr-testing
Aug 22 10:38:38 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: well whatever's needed.. simple&stable that one could use as a platform to install whatever he wants
Aug 22 10:38:51 <dos1> rhkfin: as fso-image
Aug 22 10:38:56 <rhkfin> dos1: PaulFertser now you only need to make him agree :)
Aug 22 10:39:03 <dos1> rhkfin: hehe ;)
Aug 22 10:39:15 <dos1> rhkfin: and as SHR is now official FSO distro, then fso-image will be provided soon
Aug 22 10:39:27 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: he's not even on this channel and i haven't seem him talking on irc or ML for long time. :(
Aug 22 10:39:56 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: he's ~daily at #paroli - as this channel is not very not-SHR friendly.. (sorry to having to say that again..)
Aug 22 10:40:07 <rhkfin> -> welcome there to discuss this with him
Aug 22 10:40:42 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: how is this channel not friendly to anybody? :-O
Aug 22 10:40:44 <rhkfin> dos1: then there are the guys with pyneo that doesn't really fit FSO-SHR, AFAIK. I might be wrong here again.
Aug 22 10:40:53 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: yes, there're
Aug 22 10:40:58 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: to me 98% of the discussion is noise.)
Aug 22 10:41:08 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: but they prefer debian packaging anyway, so distro business is not an issue.
Aug 22 10:41:15 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: ah, o
Aug 22 10:41:16 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 22 10:42:00 <ingi> I tried the -force-reinstall to no avail, 'ophonekitd' is still complaining about 'GSM not available,...'
Aug 22 10:42:19 <dos1> rhkfin: you should look with a little friendlier eye for SHR before commenting it ;)
Aug 22 10:42:31 <rhkfin> dos1: possibly, yes
Aug 22 10:43:05 <dos1> IMHO Paroli is really nice soft with nice gui solutions (i love that lists which you can drag to right ;))
Aug 22 10:43:39 <dos1> personally i prefer SHR approach (phoneui libs, not one-big-daemon), but Paroli has big potential
Aug 22 10:43:50 <dos1> and IMHO that potential isn't used ;x
Aug 22 10:44:15 <rhkfin> you're welcome to participate in the developent and release that potential!
Aug 22 10:44:23 <F4t> dos1, u pinged me several days ago? :P
Aug 22 10:44:52 <rhkfin> And I'm sure people would be more than happy if Paroli would be available for SHR too. Even I would concider it maybe :)
Aug 22 10:45:32 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: so why don't nytowl and Mirco push in this direction? Should be easy, right? And i really fail to see how this channel is unfriendly to them. :-/
Aug 22 10:45:42 <rhkfin> I've now been using OM2009 unstable to be able to report bugs there but I'd be happy to drop out of the unstable cycle to -testing, if the testing is more or less stable
Aug 22 10:46:08 <dos1> rhkfin: well, to be honest
Aug 22 10:46:23 <dos1> rhkfin: i can't see why for your mail in "Hi" topic was sent
Aug 22 10:46:32 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: the topics on this channel (my experience) are 95% SHR -> #paroli is a more quiet place to discuss also om2009 related
Aug 22 10:47:12 <dos1> rhkfin: if there is #paroli channel, if there is #pyneo.org channel, it there are android, qtextended and debian channels...
Aug 22 10:47:28 <dos1> rhkfin: do you really expect most of talks here will be about paroli, pyneo, android, qt or debian?
Aug 22 10:47:32 <rhkfin> dos1: I might be wrong ( I hope so) but my feeling with SHR people is that the attitude is that SHR's the only right choice. And I already maybe regret the mail, sent it a bit earlier..
Aug 22 10:48:07 <dos1> looking at actual state of distros, *for me* (that's important, for me) SHR is the best choise
Aug 22 10:48:17 <dos1> but again, *for me*, other people can have another preferences
Aug 22 10:48:34 <rhkfin> dos1: no, I'd like it to be an 'open for everyone' channel, not only by the name but also the behaviour ie. if this is the main channel of SHR development it makes it a bit uninteresting for users of other distros
Aug 22 10:49:02 <rhkfin> or devels of other distros
Aug 22 10:49:04 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: well, without mail from Angus where he can explain why he wants to maintain his own distro instead of shr testing it's really hard to understand why among OE-based shr is not the best choice.
Aug 22 10:49:20 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: i don't use SHR btw. Never tried even.
Aug 22 10:49:45 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: nice to hear that :) What do you use?
Aug 22 10:50:16 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I'd also so much like to see nytowl/vegyr to publish their plans, ideas and wishes. But can't force..
Aug 22 10:50:48 <dos1> rhkfin: that's *you* who's making this channel shr only. i didn't have such feelings
Aug 22 10:51:04 <rhkfin> dos1: ok, good for you :)
Aug 22 10:51:18 <dos1> kernel, glamo, qi-uboot discussions are done here quite often
Aug 22 10:51:27 <rhkfin> good
Aug 22 10:51:41 <dos1> om2009 questions are also asked and answered here sometimes
Aug 22 10:51:41 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: i use Debian from the day one. And this channel was ok for me, we discussed plenty of kernel/qi/hardware issues here and i'm happy to be here. 
Aug 22 10:51:45 <dos1> and debian
Aug 22 10:52:02 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: also paroli still uses FSO and this channel is the main place FSO devs gather.
Aug 22 10:52:28 <Ainulindale> And also there's beautiful french guys
Aug 22 10:53:20 <rhkfin> ok, I might have been misinformed and everything, sorry for that.
Aug 22 10:54:09 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: fo' sure man
Aug 22 10:55:19 <dos1> so there is somewhere unfriendly for SHR propaganda? :(
Aug 22 10:55:58 <Ainulindale> and I have to say this discussion about SHR/Paroli/whatever woes is ugly and useless
Aug 22 10:56:00 <rhkfin> -> if possible, try to contact vegyr and nytowl and ask them directly. I'm just a user who tries to motivate people to code harder :) (and I prefer saying vegyraupe instead of mir-ko since there's another mir-ko on this channel too :)
Aug 22 10:56:10 <Ainulindale> If people are not friendly to anything related to people working in the same field
Aug 22 10:56:15 <Ainulindale> They're dumbasses
Aug 22 10:56:26 <Ainulindale> It won't change the fact that their stuff might be interesting
Aug 22 10:56:35 <Ainulindale> But they'll still be dumbasses
Aug 22 10:56:39 <Ainulindale> We're no religion
Aug 22 10:57:07 <Ainulindale> As for nytowl I talk to him a on regular basis he just has other stuff to do
Aug 22 10:58:22 <rhkfin> that's what I've understood too
Aug 22 10:58:42 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: what other stuff?
Aug 22 10:58:54 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: can he maintain distro portions of shr testing?
Aug 22 10:59:06 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: Real Life I guess..
Aug 22 10:59:35 <Ainulindale> Yeah, he has a life
Aug 22 10:59:36 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: so no need to spread the man power then? Just integrated paroli in SHR and enjoy?
Aug 22 10:59:48 <Ainulindale> We had time to talk about that when he came over in France 
Aug 22 11:00:03 <Ainulindale> We ended up enebriated a lot, but still
Aug 22 11:00:20 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: nothing stops someone at SHR to do it and the rest will be history!
Aug 22 11:00:32 <Ainulindale> errr
Aug 22 11:00:35 <Ainulindale> I did it twice
Aug 22 11:00:44 <Ainulindale> Then it borked
Aug 22 11:00:46 <Ainulindale> I asked for a revb
Aug 22 11:00:48 <Ainulindale> -b
Aug 22 11:00:50 <Ainulindale> Never had any
Aug 22 11:01:05 <Ainulindale> Plus there was problem with libs at the time after
Aug 22 11:01:26 <Ainulindale> paroli is a soft, not a distro anyway
Aug 22 11:01:46 <rhkfin> -> it all comes down to vegyraupe and nytowl, or someone just has to take a version of Paroli and take the time to learn it and make it work...
Aug 22 11:01:47 <Ainulindale> there's no point to imagine a worthless/useless/inappropriate war between the different guys
Aug 22 11:01:58 <Ainulindale> And if someone is doing that I'll truly kick his ass 
Aug 22 11:02:16 <Ainulindale> Well do that then
Aug 22 11:02:57 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: as i see it vegyraupe or nytowl should join SHR, not the other way. At least i can't see a reason why they shouldn't.
Aug 22 11:03:30 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: it was decided & planned in FSOSHRUDCON
Aug 22 11:03:31 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I'm happy with both ways but there's not much I can do about it.. 
Aug 22 11:03:41 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: and it was never done
Aug 22 11:03:48 <rhkfin> (hmm.. the secret convention ~ no-one knows anything about :)
Aug 22 11:03:58 <Ainulindale> wrong papers are online
Aug 22 11:04:01 <Ainulindale> I also have vids
Aug 22 11:04:08 <Ainulindale> I didn't reencode them yet
Aug 22 11:04:13 <Ainulindale> As cinelerra is borking
Aug 22 11:04:26 <Ainulindale> (I came to have them two weeks ago)
Aug 22 11:04:46 <rhkfin> of official presentations but I think more important is the off-the-records discussion where things like this are discussed.. - or is there a vid/paper about joining Paroli to SHR?
Aug 22 11:05:39 <Ainulindale> there was a discussion 
Aug 22 11:05:45 <Ainulindale> and again
Aug 22 11:05:50 <Ainulindale> "joining paroli to shr" means nothing
Aug 22 11:06:10 <Ainulindale> or means as much as "why wouldn't I join my wheels to my car" ?
Aug 22 11:06:14 <rhkfin> whatever you reffered as 'decided & planned in FSOSHRUDCON
Aug 22 11:06:16 <Ainulindale> not the same nature, not the same purpose
Aug 22 11:06:41 <rhkfin> thanks for understanding
Aug 22 11:06:48 <Ainulindale> as for the discussion
Aug 22 11:06:51 <ptitjes> hi Ainulindale 
Aug 22 11:07:01 <Ainulindale> vegyraupe told us he'd register to the ML and explain paroli
Aug 22 11:07:03 <Ainulindale> he never did
Aug 22 11:07:03 <ptitjes> just got back from vacation
Aug 22 11:07:05 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: hey
Aug 22 11:07:07 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: got my message?
Aug 22 11:07:14 <ptitjes> and I did not get your message completely
Aug 22 11:07:18 <Ainulindale> well
Aug 22 11:07:20 <ptitjes> too much noise
Aug 22 11:07:21 <Ainulindale> free hardware
Aug 22 11:07:25 <F4t> does anyone know if remoko finally works in SHR?
Aug 22 11:07:26 <Ainulindale> sun stuff
Aug 22 11:07:28 <Ainulindale> storage & all
Aug 22 11:07:37 <ptitjes> sun workstations if I uderstood correctly, right ?
Aug 22 11:07:42 <Ainulindale> If you come with your truck then it's us
Aug 22 11:07:45 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: servers
Aug 22 11:07:48 <Ainulindale> ultrasparc & all
Aug 22 11:07:52 <ptitjes> good
Aug 22 11:07:59 <ptitjes> is it Boologne-billancourt
Aug 22 11:08:05 <Ainulindale> Boologne yay :-p
Aug 22 11:08:07 <PaulFertser> F4t: there's some experimental branch in the repo.
Aug 22 11:08:07 <ptitjes> or Boulogne in the north ?
Aug 22 11:08:11 <PaulFertser> F4t: try that out.
Aug 22 11:08:13 <Ainulindale> Billancourt
Aug 22 11:08:16 <ptitjes> cool
Aug 22 11:08:21 <Ainulindale> But "Boulogne" not "Boologne"
Aug 22 11:08:27 <ptitjes> when can we go and catch them ?
Aug 22 11:08:27 <Ainulindale> Boo yourself :-)
Aug 22 11:08:28 <ptitjes> :)
Aug 22 11:08:32 <Ainulindale> Well maybe on monday
Aug 22 11:08:39 <F4t> PaulFertser, in remoko's repo? or shr unstable?
Aug 22 11:08:44 <PaulFertser> F4t: remoko's
Aug 22 11:08:51 <ptitjes> ok I'll call you so that we arrange that by phone
Aug 22 11:09:03 <Ainulindale> not now though my head is about to break open
Aug 22 11:09:12 <F4t> PaulFertser, when i have time ill mess around with compiling.... thought id ask if there was a ready one
Aug 22 11:09:14 <ptitjes> yeah not today for me
Aug 22 11:09:28 <ptitjes> just getting back to the paris' way of thinking ;)
Aug 22 11:09:56 <PaulFertser> F4t: are you sure it's not python? I don't remember.
Aug 22 11:10:42 <F4t> PaulFertser, hmmm...
Aug 22 11:11:14 <PaulFertser> F4t: also it's anyway not something big, just compile it on the device itself, no need to mess with cross-compiling.
Aug 22 11:11:45 <Ainulindale> dos1?
Aug 22 11:12:24 * rhkfin goes back to #paroli. See you there, right :)
Aug 22 11:13:12 <ingi> PaulFertser and dos1: thank you for your suggestions, I'l try that shr-unstable again in a few days, hopefully some magic update will enable my GSM again :-)
Aug 22 11:13:39 <dos1> Ainulindale?
Aug 22 11:14:58 <dos1> :P
Aug 22 11:15:05 <Ainulindale> dos1: My head is a bit dizzy, I won't be able to properly do things on the buildhost now
Aug 22 11:15:10 <Ainulindale> So two solutions
Aug 22 11:15:23 <Ainulindale> either you wait or give me your key it'll be far more easier during mrmoku|away's vacations
Aug 22 11:16:22 <dos1> F4t: i wanted to ask about mokonnect icon on desktop
Aug 22 11:16:45 <dos1> F4t: it ends with .png in .desktop file, so it's not themable by icon theme
Aug 22 11:17:02 <dos1> Ainulindale: ok, i'll send you key
Aug 22 11:17:37 <Ainulindale> dos1: that's what you get when you're old, you can't handle beer
Aug 22 11:28:48 <lysgaard> Does there exist any tool to make layouts for the Illume Keyboard?
Aug 22 11:29:42 * Wonka made his own layout for matchbox-keyboard
Aug 22 11:29:54 <Wonka> and that one works fine in illume too
Aug 22 11:30:33 <dos1> Ainulindale: sent
Aug 22 11:36:27 <F4t> dos1, so i should remove the .png?
Aug 22 11:36:32 <lysgaard> Wonka: Are you using matchbox keyboard, or just te matchbox layout file in the illume keyboard?
Aug 22 11:37:21 <Wonka> the former
Aug 22 11:37:30 <dos1> F4t: change "Icon=mokonnect.png" to "Icon=mokonnect"
Aug 22 11:39:05 <F4t> dos1, done and commited (svnr109)
Aug 22 11:39:12 <lysgaard> Wonka: Hm, i was trying to make a layout for the Illume keyboard, so I guess that won't help.
Aug 22 11:39:30 <dos1> F4t: thanks ;)
Aug 22 11:40:09 <Wonka> lysgaard: as long as there's nothing like AltGr in illume keyboard, that one is not useful for me
Aug 22 11:40:28 <dos1> Wonka: bug raster
Aug 22 11:41:08 <Wonka> dos1: I think as long as there's a useful alternative (which matchbox-keyboard is for me), raster should do more useful things ;)
Aug 22 11:41:14 <dos1> Wonka: no ;P
Aug 22 11:41:21 <dos1> Wonka: there is patch for that on enlightenment trac
Aug 22 11:41:26 <dos1> (AltGr)
Aug 22 11:41:27 <Wonka> for altgr?
Aug 22 11:41:29 <Wonka> ah
Aug 22 11:41:31 <Wonka> 'k...
Aug 22 11:41:54 <Wonka> hrm, how did one edit illume keyboard layouts?
Aug 22 11:42:40 <F4t> about the keyboard... (the default one in shr) why is there no option to pick "just put the word i typed" option....
Aug 22 11:43:18 <lysgaard> Wonka: The layouts reside in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/
Aug 22 11:43:19 <dos1> Wonka: those are just text files
Aug 22 11:43:25 <dos1> F4t: use terminal keyboard ;P
Aug 22 11:43:36 <F4t> dos1, terminal isnt exactly finger friendly...
Aug 22 11:43:53 <dos1> why not?
Aug 22 11:44:14 <dos1> most of shr-settings, opimd and opimd-utils was written using terminal illume keyboard with finger only :P
Aug 22 11:44:34 <lysgaard> dos1: Are there any tool for making those text files? I want to add a whole row to the keyboard, and that would mean editing the possition of every single key.
Aug 22 11:44:40 <F4t> dos1, its nail friendly, not finger friendly...
Aug 22 11:44:57 <F4t> dos1, and anyway, how hard is it to provide an option in the normal keyboard with the actuall word u typed?
Aug 22 11:44:58 <dos1> F4t: well, then there is no finger friendly keyboard ;x
Aug 22 11:46:40 <F4t> am i wasting tons of time now upgrading kernel from oe10 to oe11 when the actual "gitr" didnt change? as in upgrading just the name....????
Aug 22 11:46:41 <lysgaard> F4t: You could just edit a the file of your perferred file and remove the line containing fuzz [0-9][0-9]. Then it will behave like the terminal keyboard.
Aug 22 11:47:07 <F4t> lysgaard, thanks, ill try that
Aug 22 11:47:57 <lysgaard> F4t: Keep in mind that you'll loose the dictionary lookup.
Aug 22 11:48:46 <lysgaard> F4t: One solution would be to have two identical layouts, one containing the fuzzy line, one not. Then you could change as you liked.
Aug 22 11:50:55 <F4t> ok
Aug 22 11:54:29 <dos1> Ainulindale: so what about buildhost?
Aug 22 11:57:10 <PaulFertser> N900 review: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml
Aug 22 11:58:26 <Wonka> yeah, that url is around since two or so days...
Aug 22 11:58:28 <Wonka> *want*
Aug 22 12:03:10 <PaulFertser> Wonka: 550 Euro :-/
Aug 22 12:06:05 <Wonka> PaulFertser: yeah, but _nice_ hw
Aug 22 12:07:35 <PaulFertser> Wonka: what's known so far? 800x480 resistive TS, 3G gsm unit, 32G internal flash (?), OMAP SoC?
Aug 22 12:07:57 <Wonka> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution?from=rss
Aug 22 12:08:04 <Wonka> « MAP3 CPU/GPU, 3,5" 800x480 touchscreen, keyboard, Wi-Fi, HSPA, GPS; 5-MP camera, CZ lens, 32 GB storage, SD slot; »
Aug 22 12:08:39 <Wonka> « X11, VT100 terminal emulator, APT package manager »
Aug 22 12:08:56 <Wonka> « Users can download flashing software from Nokia, and patches can be submitted at the Maemo site. »
Aug 22 12:09:21 <PaulFertser> Wonka: will the modem interface be documented/understandable so we'll be able to run real distros on it?
Aug 22 12:10:07 <PaulFertser> Still the price is fucking high
Aug 22 12:10:45 <Wonka> no idea, but « Unlike Google's Linux platform, Nokia is not intentionally breaking compatibility with real distros, choosing instead to bring you the unmatchable power of GNU/Linux on your phone. »
Aug 22 12:11:59 <Wonka> tv-out says mobile-review...
Aug 22 12:13:46 <PaulFertser> Wonka: btw, Palm Pre is already out but it doesn't look it already runs something decent.
Aug 22 12:14:13 <Wonka> PaulFertser: have you looked at the screenshots in the mobile-review article?
Aug 22 12:14:17 <Wonka> PaulFertser: looks awsum
Aug 22 12:14:49 <Wonka> like "have we anything _left_ to be done?)
Aug 22 12:16:48 <PaulFertser> Wonka: no, i haven't as i don't care about maemo at all. 
Aug 22 12:17:09 <PaulFertser> Wonka: they failed to give anything to the free software community.
Aug 22 12:18:10 <Wonka> mh... aren't they open?
Aug 22 12:18:36 <PaulFertser> Wonka: not enough. I've talked with Mer guys
Aug 22 12:18:54 <PaulFertser> Wonka: they even don't have anything fully working for N770/N8x0
Aug 22 12:18:59 <Wonka> mh
Aug 22 12:19:12 <Wonka> i'd expect them to go open too...
Aug 22 12:19:19 <PaulFertser> Wonka: also guess why we still don't use it on our FR? Lack of horsepower? No.
Aug 22 12:19:21 <Wonka> after all, S60 is going open
Aug 22 12:19:49 <PaulFertser> Wonka: those fuckers support flash and skype, how can you expect them to support free software with this kind of attitude?
Aug 22 12:20:04 <Wonka> lol...
Aug 22 12:20:10 <Wonka> but yeah, right, in some sad way
Aug 22 12:20:43 <Wonka> i'd rather have theora and <video>
Aug 22 12:32:59 <dcordes> hi
Aug 22 12:33:01 <dcordes> ~seen raster
Aug 22 12:33:01 <bzzbot> raster <n=raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 5d 2h 1m 12s ago, saying: ':)'.
Aug 22 13:38:24 <dos1> raster: ping
Aug 22 14:24:10 <PaulFertser> Hm, requiring end-users to understand networking and iptables just to "connect FR to the internet" is tough... But i can't see the other way (except payed services ;) ).
Aug 22 14:24:50 <Wonka> eeeh...
Aug 22 14:25:01 <Wonka> don't mofi and such things "just work"?
Aug 22 14:25:27 <sybren> PaulFertser: ehm... how is SHR different than any other Linux distro in that area?
Aug 22 14:25:39 <PaulFertser> Wonka: 1. they don't, all are broken, for wifi handmade wpa_supplicant and probably some cool scripts work best.
Aug 22 14:25:52 <Wonka> 'k... never used them
Aug 22 14:26:01 <PaulFertser> Wonka: 2. not every user has an AP at home, they want to use usb networking.
Aug 22 14:26:08 <Wonka> always used ip, iwconfig
Aug 22 14:26:16 <Wonka> but i never needed iptables on the FR yet
Aug 22 14:26:27 <PaulFertser> sybren: it's not obvisouly. It's just a bit strange to require end-users of an advanced smartphone to understand iptables.
Aug 22 14:26:44 <PaulFertser> Wonka: what about using it on host to do NAT and stuff like that?
Aug 22 14:26:44 <Wonka> and setup some working config on the debian box i connect the FR to
Aug 22 14:26:58 <Wonka> yeah, that's what I do...
Aug 22 14:27:27 <Wonka> .oO( setting up a bridge wouldn't be hard )
Aug 22 14:28:02 <PaulFertser> Wonka: (bridge) for that one needs to understand what bridge is.
Aug 22 14:28:04 <sybren> PaulFertser: I can understand the reasoning "you bought a wireless device, just not to use any of the various wireless networking capabilities -> learn a bit of iptables"
Aug 22 14:28:47 <sybren> PaulFertser: I installed udhcpd on my Freerunner so that it gives the USB host an IP address. That's one step that could be default in SHR.
Aug 22 14:29:13 <sybren> For IP forwarding with NAT it's a matter of only one iptables line on the host machine.
Aug 22 14:29:42 <PaulFertser> sybren: running dhcp server on my constrained device by default? Why?
Aug 22 14:30:25 <PaulFertser> sybren: (one line) only in the simplest case, but sane people and some distros by default use more tricky iptables rules, one line wouldn't be enough for sure.
Aug 22 14:33:38 <sybren> PaulFertser: are you saying I'm insane then? :P
Aug 22 14:33:55 <sybren> no iptables on my desktop machine, except that one line for USB IP forwarding
Aug 22 14:34:12 <PaulFertser> sybren: well, if you have a router between you and the internet that filters the traffic, not :p
Aug 22 14:34:41 <Wonka> my /etc/network/interfaces stuff is not as sophisticated as that on wiki/USB_networking but Works For Me :)
Aug 22 14:34:49 <sybren> yeah, I have a complete Linux machine doing that ;-)
Aug 22 14:39:17 <F4t> mrmoku|away, ping
Aug 22 14:56:35 <CIA-53> SHR: 03ole 07shr-settings * r143c3ee62064 10/data/po/da/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update danish translation
Aug 22 14:57:26 <CIA-53> SHR: 03ole 07shr * r64ba9b9689c1 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/da.po: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: update danish translation
Aug 22 15:12:56 <dos1> dos@sowa:~/openmoko/git/openembedded$ git pull
Aug 22 15:12:58 <dos1> remote: Counting objects: 666, done.
Aug 22 15:12:59 <dos1> ;)
Aug 22 15:29:19 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rd2d1c9e299c2 10/setup.py: Bump version to 0.0.3
Aug 22 15:40:29 <dario> hi i'm looking for the latest SHR unstable image but I found it only on the /old directory. Is it going to be updated today?7
Aug 22 16:01:27 <CIA-53> SHR: 03lists 07shr-settings * r609105bd79fa 10/data/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [data] remove the QA Issues on *.desktop files
Aug 22 16:04:20 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re6fa624c2342 10/data/shr-settings-addons-illume/ (6 files): [data] update shr-settings-addons-illume
Aug 22 16:23:55 <dario> hi i'm looking for the latest SHR unstable image but I found it only on the /old directory. Is it going to be updated today?
Aug 22 16:52:26 <|Fate|> dario, latest unstable images are here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
Aug 22 16:53:12 <dario> |Fate| I know but there's no SHR full image there
Aug 22 16:53:37 <F4t> cant someone explain to me why do i need to update the kernel for several hours when its the same GITR and the same commit hash?
Aug 22 16:54:57 <F4t> dario, install lite and install with opk whatever u need?
Aug 22 16:55:45 <BluesLee> dos1: nebiee
Aug 22 16:55:57 <dario> F4t i need to know if there will be an update soon, why do i have to make a workaround while i can wait for an already prepared image?
Aug 22 16:56:06 <BluesLee> dos1: no, niebiee
Aug 22 16:56:34 <F4t> dario, because opkg install is several times faster then flashing?
Aug 22 16:56:55 <BluesLee> dos1: is the launcher in the screenshots on scap flauncher or something new?
Aug 22 16:57:42 <dario> F4t i don't think so... but also a fresh image is not afflicted by common errors that come up when you upgrade
Aug 22 16:59:34 <F4t> dario, flashing is slower then update by def, since flashing = download + flash, and upgrade = download only...
Aug 22 16:59:43 <F4t> dario, about the common errors, ur right :)
Aug 22 17:00:06 <dario> F4t we agreed then :)
Aug 22 17:01:20 <dario> so... i still don't know if there are plans to release a new SHR image for om-gta02...
Aug 22 17:01:26 <F4t> dario, not completely, i said opkg install not upgrade.... opkg install doesnt have errors ... :)
Aug 22 17:01:57 <dario> are you playing hide & seek with me? :)
Aug 22 17:02:45 <F4t> yup
Aug 22 17:04:29 <kichkasch> j #paroli
Aug 22 18:39:59 <dos1> Ainulindale: patches wait for you ;)
Aug 22 18:40:31 <dos1> oh... as always
Aug 22 18:42:47 <Ainulindale> as always?
Aug 22 18:43:19 <Ainulindale> your patch for niebiee is wrong
Aug 22 18:43:25 <Ainulindale> or looks wrong to me
Aug 22 18:43:29 <Ainulindale> why inherit task?
Aug 22 18:43:46 <dos1> Ainulindale: "as always" was refering to forgotten PR bumping ;P
Aug 22 18:44:01 <Ainulindale> yeah yeah but what about niebiee & task?
Aug 22 18:44:02 <dos1> Ainulindale: without that it didn't make package at all
Aug 22 18:44:08 <Ainulindale> well that doesn't make it right
Aug 22 18:44:13 <Ainulindale> task is for OE tasks
Aug 22 18:44:22 <Ainulindale> I see no point to put that in a package
Aug 22 18:44:30 <Ainulindale> It's not the proper way to me
Aug 22 18:45:02 <dos1> Ainulindale: then make in another way ;)
Aug 22 18:45:22 <Ainulindale> well I'm still too dizzy to do it myself so find another way yourself lazy ass :-)
Aug 22 18:46:01 <dos1> Ainulindale: :P but apply another patches :)
Aug 22 18:46:13 <Ainulindale> yeah yeah
Aug 22 18:46:23 <dos1> Ainulindale: and look at that mokomaze patches, patchwork only displays one of them (there are two)
Aug 22 18:47:39 <Ainulindale> hmm?
Aug 22 18:48:48 <dos1> Ainulindale: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/41/
Aug 22 18:48:53 <dos1> Ainulindale: there is only one displayed
Aug 22 18:49:03 <dos1> Ainulindale: but gmail displays two :P
Aug 22 18:52:00 <Ainulindale> hmpf
Aug 22 18:53:13 <Ainulindale> not the proper way to have them
Aug 22 18:53:17 <Ainulindale> hmpf
Aug 22 18:53:58 <dos1> thanks for commiting ;)
Aug 22 18:54:40 <Ainulindale> ah and the patch is dumb
Aug 22 18:54:58 <Ainulindale> (the mokomaze patch)
Aug 22 19:00:48 <PaulFertser> "SHR testing is unsupported, but unstable is? And the latter even more stable than testing? You SHR folks are strange..." ROFL
Aug 22 19:03:56 <soltys> ;]
Aug 22 19:04:21 <dos1> noone said we're not strange and odd ;)
Aug 22 19:04:36 <dos1> even better: we're just geeks, we're all strange and odd :D
Aug 22 19:10:02 <dos1> Ainulindale: asked on #oe about that task thing
Aug 22 19:10:06 <dos1> maybe someone will answer
Aug 22 19:11:03 <max_posedon> dos1, hi!
Aug 22 19:11:11 <dos1> ho!
Aug 22 19:11:12 <max_posedon> I have problem with settings connectivity
Aug 22 19:11:13 <dos1> ;)
Aug 22 19:11:22 <max_posedon> it doesn't update automatically
Aug 22 19:11:30 <dos1> update? which module?
Aug 22 19:11:31 <dos1> GPRS?
Aug 22 19:11:35 <max_posedon> I click connect, and status never update to connected
Aug 22 19:11:40 <dos1> max_posedon: upgrade
Aug 22 19:11:41 <dos1> ;)
Aug 22 19:11:43 <dos1> i fixed that
Aug 22 19:11:43 <max_posedon> (until I stop, and start)
Aug 22 19:11:49 <max_posedon> yes
Aug 22 19:12:09 <max_posedon> I love shr-U
Aug 22 19:12:13 <dos1> max_posedon: few minutes ago i synced new packages in repo
Aug 22 19:12:27 <max_posedon> only this distro can become outdated in 2 days!
Aug 22 19:12:32 <max_posedon> )
Aug 22 19:12:32 <max_posedon> thanks, nice
Aug 22 19:13:28 <dos1> i'll try to build new image
Aug 22 19:13:41 <dos1> someone wants to test? ;)
Aug 22 19:13:54 <max_posedon> image of that?)
Aug 22 19:14:11 <dos1> max_posedon: shr-unstable
Aug 22 19:15:04 <max_posedon> as for me - I don't, I'm doing (prefer) opkg update
Aug 22 19:15:27 <dos1> max_posedon: as me ;)
Aug 22 19:29:53 <dos1> hmm
Aug 22 19:30:04 <dos1> we have bluez-utils 3.x instead of 4.x...
Aug 22 19:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: maybe I might do another flash. gimme a "go!"
Aug 22 19:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> if it eats my connectivity, my bat-army will be after you! ;-)
Aug 22 19:36:57 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: not now ;)
Aug 22 19:39:37 <dos1> now i'm getting used to buildhost :D
Aug 22 20:12:34 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rc1befb68390a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_notes.py: opimd: SQLite-Notes: support editing multiple values of one field
Aug 22 20:13:53 <max_posedon> dos1, so, is fixed settings in feeds now?
Aug 22 20:14:03 <dos1> max_posedon: yup
Aug 22 20:14:07 <dos1> should be
Aug 22 20:19:34 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rf6ff7cc6a224 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): opimd: SQLite-*: support editing multiple values of one field
Aug 22 20:23:02 <max_posedon> ok, smth updated, tomorrow I'll say new bugs
Aug 22 20:28:38 <TAsn> weepee :| next mot test at monday.
Aug 22 20:28:40 <TAsn> ffs I hate them.
Aug 22 20:29:36 <dos1> TAsn: hehe, noone is bugging me for making -testing image when mrmoku|away isn't there ;>
Aug 22 20:30:10 <TAsn> dos1, bugging you about testing image?
Aug 22 20:30:14 <TAsn> I never bugged you about it.
Aug 22 20:30:20 <TAsn> though mrmoku|away !!! what about it? :(
Aug 22 20:30:27 <dos1> TAsn: i mean:
Aug 22 20:30:38 <dos1> TAsn: mrmoku|away is on vacations, and i have access to buildhost
Aug 22 20:30:46 <TAsn> oh.
Aug 22 20:30:49 <dos1> TAsn: so you would bug me, instead of mrmoku|away
Aug 22 20:30:55 <TAsn> MAKE A F***ing testing already!
Aug 22 20:31:00 <TAsn> I though the last build went ok
Aug 22 20:31:06 <TAsn> as I had no issues and same goes for mrmoku|away 
Aug 22 20:31:08 <TAsn> iirc.
Aug 22 20:31:25 <dos1> TAsn: i'll look at it, but you know
Aug 22 20:31:46 <dos1> TAsn: chances that i'll broke everything are higher than with mrmoku doing that ;)
Aug 22 20:32:14 <TAsn> dos1, let me sum up my thoughts: "when will mrmoku|away be back?"
Aug 22 20:32:14 <TAsn> :)
Aug 22 20:32:21 <dos1> ;D
Aug 22 20:32:31 <dos1> i don't remember, but he said when ;x
Aug 22 20:32:53 <TAsn> dos1, a matter of years/months/days/hours/seconds/<second ?
Aug 22 20:33:49 <dos1> days?
Aug 22 20:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: weeks?
Aug 22 20:33:53 <dos1> or weeks
Aug 22 20:34:17 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I was hoping it's not a matter of weeks so I dropped it out for luck ;)
Aug 22 20:34:41 <TAsn> (and enhanced the effect by adding everything else)
Aug 22 20:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> so let me put it this way: 7..30 day 
Aug 22 20:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> is my guess
Aug 22 20:35:59 <soltys> :)
Aug 22 20:36:43 <dos1> i think (from now) 5..14 days
Aug 22 20:36:48 <dos1> :P
Aug 22 20:37:20 <TAsn> 14 days sounds way better than "weeks", so I'm glad I dropped it out :)
Aug 22 20:37:31 <TAsn> but, man, this sucks :)
Aug 22 20:37:39 <TAsn> I hope it's <8 days
Aug 22 20:37:46 <TAsn> since school starts at 1/9
Aug 22 20:37:56 <TAsn> and he probably went with his kids
Aug 22 20:37:58 <DocScrutinizer> where?
Aug 22 20:38:05 <TAsn> otherwise it's just bad parenting :) (j/k)
Aug 22 20:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I'm amazed you know when school starts in bavaria - even I don't know ;-D
Aug 22 20:38:57 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, isn't that globally the same?
Aug 22 20:39:06 <TAsn> hehe so I guess I know even less than you :)
Aug 22 20:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha
Aug 22 20:39:21 * TAsn thinks he made a bad assumption
Aug 22 20:39:21 <TAsn> :)
Aug 22 20:40:26 <DocScrutinizer> ... and I live here :-P
Aug 22 20:40:34 * TAsn is googling for more exact info.
Aug 22 20:40:55 <TAsn> ok nvm
Aug 22 20:40:56 <TAsn> 14.9 :(
Aug 22 20:41:06 <TAsn> http://www.holidays-info.com/School-Holidays-Germany/Bavaria.html
Aug 22 20:41:22 <soltys> :>
Aug 22 20:41:43 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, MAN! bavarian kids barely spend time in scholl
Aug 22 20:41:47 <TAsn> school*
Aug 22 20:41:52 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: hehe
Aug 22 20:41:57 <TAsn> they are mostly in vacations :|
Aug 22 20:42:04 <DocScrutinizer> anyway thanks for the update
Aug 22 20:42:25 <TAsn> hehe :)
Aug 22 20:42:34 <TAsn> np, you'll know now when traffic starts again.
Aug 22 20:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 22 20:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> barely noticeable effect though this year
Aug 22 20:43:10 <TAsn> how come?
Aug 22 20:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> world crisis?
Aug 22 20:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> general perception of pending doom?
Aug 22 20:44:54 <TAsn> buses?
Aug 22 20:45:06 <TAsn> (I mean, is this what you meanL
Aug 22 20:45:06 <TAsn> )
Aug 22 20:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: N810??
Aug 22 20:46:19 <DocScrutinizer> s/?/)/ 
Aug 22 20:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> is exactly N810
Aug 22 20:46:54 <DocScrutinizer> err s/)/L/
Aug 22 20:47:08 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r7b0edea72734 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: implement editing tags
Aug 22 20:48:51 <dos1> 10 days left for me ;x
Aug 22 20:48:53 <dos1> and then school
Aug 22 20:49:26 <soltys_> blah damn hard drive ;/
Aug 22 20:49:49 * DocScrutinizer scares dos1 with satanic incantations
Aug 22 20:50:07 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i don't care, i listen to metal :P
Aug 22 20:50:38 <dos1> i'm now year before secondary school certificate
Aug 22 20:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> aah, so your faible for stakes is not a religiosly motivated one
Aug 22 20:51:13 <PaulFertser> dos1: ManowaR?
Aug 22 20:51:20 <farhaven> lol
Aug 22 20:51:27 <farhaven> manowar is choir music :P
Aug 22 20:51:37 <dos1> (well, year before year when i'll take it :P)
Aug 22 20:52:03 <dos1> PaulFertser: well, i prefer rock from 70's and 80's ;)
Aug 22 20:52:08 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, huh?
Aug 22 20:52:11 <PaulFertser> dos1: that's not metal
Aug 22 20:52:16 <dos1> yup
Aug 22 20:52:52 <dos1> but i also listen some metal, rarely, but i do ;)
Aug 22 20:53:23 <PaulFertser> farhaven: when i went to school i listened to manowar and hoped they'd come here to make a great concert. 10 years later they finally did and screwed everything up. Telling tales about "enemies" and how they said "fuck" to producers and other stupid shit. :( 
Aug 22 20:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: you swapped L with ? (iÄm doing that all the time on N81P L
Aug 22 20:53:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, oh, no
Aug 22 20:53:39 <farhaven> PaulFertser: yup, that's manowar :D
Aug 22 20:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> err L with )
Aug 22 20:53:47 <TAsn> just dvorak
Aug 22 20:53:49 <TAsn> and missed on key.
Aug 22 20:53:53 <DocScrutinizer> duhhh
Aug 22 20:53:53 <TAsn> :)
Aug 22 20:53:56 <TAsn> one*
Aug 22 20:53:58 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Aug 22 20:54:04 <PaulFertser> farhaven: and they failed to bring here any bikes or strippers. And even they lacked beer! Total fuck up.
Aug 22 20:54:11 <farhaven> wtf
Aug 22 20:54:18 <farhaven> that's...
Aug 22 20:54:23 <farhaven> hard to describe :)
Aug 22 20:54:59 <farhaven> luckily i listen to better music :)
Aug 22 20:55:05 <farhaven> (i.e. eisregen)
Aug 22 20:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> hrrrm
Aug 22 20:56:17 <max_posedon> dos1, belive me, school better than work for working on OSS projects)
Aug 22 20:56:33 <PaulFertser> farhaven: i can't understand black/death stuff, it makes me sick
Aug 22 20:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> ramstein, chemical brothers, killing joke, 
Aug 22 20:56:49 <farhaven> PaulFertser: sick?
Aug 22 20:57:04 <farhaven> and well, i also listen to EBM :D
Aug 22 20:57:27 <TAsn> max_posedon, duh. :)
Aug 22 20:57:28 <dos1> heavy metal and hard rock <3
Aug 22 20:57:30 <dos1> :P
Aug 22 20:57:32 <PaulFertser> farhaven: once i didn't turn the radio off and it was some modern "metal" music for the whole night and after that i woke up and bad things happened to me during all the day!
Aug 22 20:57:44 <farhaven> lol
Aug 22 20:57:45 <TAsn> PaulFertser, lol.
Aug 22 20:57:57 <dos1> hmm
Aug 22 20:58:00 <dos1> i have to say it too:
Aug 22 20:58:01 <dos1> lol
Aug 22 20:58:28 <DocScrutinizer> lol, I like to join in
Aug 22 20:58:56 <TAsn> PaulFertser, you see? something good came out from black/death metal :)
Aug 22 20:59:02 <TAsn> a lot of laughter and joy :)
Aug 22 20:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> XD
Aug 22 21:00:30 * DocScrutinizer searches for Nirvana to stop the hillarious mood he seems to catch up
Aug 22 21:01:03 <PaulFertser> I'm so happy cause today i found my friends, they're in my head...
Aug 22 21:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Aug 22 21:01:38 <TAsn> Here we have a genre called "dikaon" which means "depression" and people actually listen to this crap.
Aug 22 21:01:44 <TAsn> it's just people whining about nothing 
Aug 22 21:01:44 <DocScrutinizer> :-))
Aug 22 21:02:00 <TAsn> with traditional arabic music in the background
Aug 22 21:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> ...I> not gonna crack
Aug 22 21:02:13 <TAsn> I miss you
Aug 22 21:02:46 <dos1> what about emo music? ;)
Aug 22 21:02:57 <TAsn> dos1, yuck :)
Aug 22 21:03:02 <PaulFertser> Fuck, everybody knows nirvana, that's something bad with our life attitude for sure
Aug 22 21:03:11 <TAsn> I really prefer lady gaga over that :)
Aug 22 21:03:24 <TAsn> PaulFertser, nah, I always smile and I'm full of joy
Aug 22 21:03:37 <TAsn> (except to when it comes to the MOT and the testing image's state)
Aug 22 21:03:59 <dos1> smells like teen spirit ;)
Aug 22 21:05:02 <PaulFertser> I met one of my best friends because she didn't know enough bash programming and we both listen to nirvana.
Aug 22 21:05:53 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I don't even want to know about the circumstances leading your first meeting, sounds just too odd (bash and nirvana)
Aug 22 21:06:04 <TAsn> seems like she tried to make a suicide script
Aug 22 21:06:05 <TAsn> :)
Aug 22 21:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> fork bomb? XD
Aug 22 21:07:10 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I suspect that's even worse than that.
Aug 22 21:09:22 <DocScrutinizer> well, for Neo that's enough for "suizide": cd /sys/*/*/vibrator; while true; do echo 100 >brightness; echo 0>brightness; done
Aug 22 21:09:51 <TAsn> I think i'll cut this conversation here
Aug 22 21:09:56 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Aug 22 21:10:00 <TAsn> and will just go to bed.
Aug 22 21:10:07 <TAsn> I like my neo a lot, and I don't want to see it die :)
Aug 22 21:10:09 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: will it hurt the hardware fo' real?
Aug 22 21:10:18 <TAsn> night.
Aug 22 21:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> dream nice, TAsn  ;-P
Aug 22 21:10:25 <PaulFertser> TAsn: g'night
Aug 22 21:10:31 <dos1> TAsn: night
Aug 22 21:10:33 <TAsn> thanks to you both.
Aug 22 21:10:45 <TAsn> PaulFertser, and stop thinking about death (even to mokos) :)
Aug 22 21:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: it locks the whole system
Aug 22 21:10:53 <TAsn> dos1, thanks to you three.
Aug 22 21:10:54 <TAsn> :)
Aug 22 21:10:55 <TAsn> night.
Aug 22 21:10:59 <dos1> ;)
Aug 22 21:11:02 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: hmm? why?
Aug 22 21:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, cpu maxout?
Aug 22 21:11:49 <F4t> hey guys, nothing to do with moko or opensource, which car should i buy? (price range of around mazda 3)
Aug 22 21:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> probably if you prepend it with a "nice" then nothing bad will happen
Aug 22 21:13:03 <PaulFertser> F4t: hm, have you considered something smaller to make parking easier and to put less stress on the roads?
Aug 22 21:13:34 <F4t> PaulFertser, a smaller car could be ok too, but not crap... (mazda 2 ok, suzuki swift not ok)
Aug 22 21:14:40 <PaulFertser> F4t: if i was looking for a car i'd probably bought Daewoo Matiz. Crappy but safe enough.
Aug 22 21:15:34 <F4t> PaulFertser, reasons?
Aug 22 21:15:38 <dos1> ok, going to bed too
Aug 22 21:15:40 <dos1> night!
Aug 22 21:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I currently knew no way to easily and reliably destroy the hw via sw
Aug 22 21:15:46 <max_posedon> Moscow parking
Aug 22 21:15:55 <max_posedon> better car - smaller car
Aug 22 21:15:56 <max_posedon> )
Aug 22 21:16:05 <F4t> lol, in that case take a "smart"
Aug 22 21:16:08 <PaulFertser> F4t: safe, small, cheap.
Aug 22 21:16:15 <PaulFertser> F4t: smart is not safe and not cheap.
Aug 22 21:17:23 <PaulFertser> F4t: i currently use a car like this: http://cars.avto.ru/foto_cars/vaz/21013/vaz_21013_21482_1_b.jpg
Aug 22 21:17:37 <F4t> PaulFertser, omfg...
Aug 22 21:17:52 <PaulFertser> F4t: mine is produced in 1983.
Aug 22 21:17:59 <F4t> dude this car looks bad... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/2/24/20070122202859!Daewoo_Matiz.jpg
Aug 22 21:18:53 <F4t> i want his: http://avto-russia.ru/autos/honda/photo/honda_civic_5d_1.jpg
Aug 22 21:18:56 <F4t> this*
Aug 22 21:19:04 <PaulFertser> F4t: mine looks magnitudes worse. I don't wash it and it has quite some places with visible corrosion, so don't be so picky.
Aug 22 21:19:36 <sleipnir> F4t: i own such a model and it's really nice
Aug 22 21:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> heh, lemme "kill" my Neo once more :-) Uptime is way too high anyway, so...
Aug 22 21:19:50 <F4t> sleipnir, how long (the honda civic...?)
Aug 22 21:20:19 <sleipnir> F4t: two and a half years
Aug 22 21:20:22 <PaulFertser> Mine looks worse than this: http://proauto.ua/img/products/2/2447_1.jpg
Aug 22 21:20:32 <F4t> sleipnir, isnt it a 2009 model?
Aug 22 21:20:47 <F4t> sleipnir, the new design is from 2009 or something i think...
Aug 22 21:20:49 <sleipnir> i'm really looking forward to get one of those: http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/23/634/239.jpg
Aug 22 21:21:00 <sleipnir> F4t: i now have a 2009 model
Aug 22 21:21:23 <F4t> sleipnir, for 2 and a half years..... 2009 + 2.5 = 2011?
Aug 22 21:21:37 <PaulFertser> F4t: are you sure you want a "nice" car? That sounds too consumerist to me :(
Aug 22 21:21:42 <sleipnir> F4t: it's even better (at least it feels like this after 3weeks :-))
Aug 22 21:22:01 <sleipnir> F4t: i had the old one for 2.5 years
Aug 22 21:22:19 <F4t> sleipnir, , oh... so are you happy with the new one?
Aug 22 21:22:38 <sleipnir> F4t: umm yes still after 3 weeks :-D
Aug 22 21:22:40 <F4t> PaulFertser, im pretty sure i dont want an "opensource" car :P
Aug 22 21:22:45 <sleipnir> lol
Aug 22 21:23:07 <F4t> "ye, the windshield wipes dont work in this release yet"
Aug 22 21:24:05 <F4t> this is a nice car too: http://www.4impreza.pl/img/b3.jpg
Aug 22 21:24:06 <sleipnir> F4t: there are only two things about the car that is BS: the bar in the rear window and the new shift indicator (two leds telling you when to shift best)
Aug 22 21:24:27 <F4t> sleipnir, you have manual transmission?
Aug 22 21:24:41 <sleipnir> F4t: of course ;-)
Aug 22 21:24:55 <F4t> sleipnir, i prefer an automatic...
Aug 22 21:25:13 <F4t> cant the bar in the rear window be removed? :P
Aug 22 21:25:17 <sleipnir> F4t: i never had an automatic (at least not a civic)
Aug 22 21:25:28 <sleipnir> F4t: depends on the force you apply *g*
Aug 22 21:26:08 <F4t> :D
Aug 22 21:56:02 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: do you know how vibrator partial powering via PWM is clocked?
Aug 22 21:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I.e. do we use hw pwm, or is there a silly sw fiq scheme?
Aug 22 22:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I thought we had a easy simole hw pwm counter for that purpose. Yet I see strange occasional glitches in power when running echo 35 >vibrator/brightness and then listening for a while
Aug 22 22:18:14 * Weiss wonders why tab-switching in TangoGPS is so much slower with Xorg than with Kdrive
Aug 22 22:18:27 <Weiss> (i thought it was due to KMS/GEM overheads, but apparently not..)
Aug 22 22:21:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders why cmdline cursor movement is fubar in valaterm with bash
Aug 22 22:23:43 <DocScrutinizer> (<home> off by several char-positions, <right>/<left> totally gets messed up when moving cursor over linewrap
Aug 22 22:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> )
Aug 22 22:25:13 <DocScrutinizer> amazingly enough I can't reproduce that with busybox.
Aug 22 22:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless
Aug 22 22:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> I *HATE* BUSYBOX
Aug 22 22:26:02 <farhaven> hate is such a strong word for an emotion
Aug 22 22:26:03 <farhaven> :D
Aug 22 22:27:25 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, I think there's quite a lot fishy in valaterm screen handling
Aug 22 22:29:14 <DocScrutinizer> plus there's been reports bash refuses to source .profile when started in valaterm, whereas it works flawlessly in ssh :-/ .oO(???)
Aug 22 22:29:39 <farhaven> maybe valaterm doesn't start it as a login shell
Aug 22 22:29:41 <farhaven> though...
Aug 22 22:29:48 <farhaven> is that possible with an interactive shell?
Aug 22 22:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> my suspicions where same direction
Aug 22 22:36:22 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, I thought you totally switched from busybox stuff
Aug 22 22:36:41 <max_posedon> ah, I forgot, you prefer flush then update...
Aug 22 22:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: yup, as far as it gets
Aug 22 22:37:37 <max_posedon> I'm doing updates 2 month already, I'm happy
Aug 22 22:38:19 <Weiss> larsc: if you're around: which version of the X.org server do you use?
Aug 22 22:39:48 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: for you, does valaterm correctly restore the screen when switching back to it from another screen?
Aug 22 22:40:30 <max_posedon> yes
Aug 22 22:40:42 <max_posedon> or I don't understand what I should see
Aug 22 22:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: if you had a screen full of cmds and stdout, and cursur in last line, I'd expect to see exactly that when switching back to it. Not an empty screen with prompt & cursor in first line (like after "clear")
Aug 22 22:43:51 <max_posedon> works for me
Aug 22 22:45:28 <farhaven> wth...
Aug 22 22:45:40 <farhaven> i just updated and ophonekitd can't get GSM
Aug 22 22:45:48 <farhaven> it keeps saying GSM not available
Aug 22 22:46:00 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: works here with bash, NOT with busybox
Aug 22 22:46:00 <farhaven> where can i look to further debug this?
Aug 22 22:46:05 <DocScrutinizer> I *HATE* BUSYBOX
Aug 22 22:46:37 <Weiss> farhaven: i'm just tackling the same thing at the moment :(.. glad to know it's not just me
Aug 22 22:46:39 <max_posedon> ah, as I said
Aug 22 22:46:46 <farhaven> Weiss: whee! :)
Aug 22 22:46:54 <max_posedon> I switched to coreutils in that day 2 months ago
Aug 22 22:47:06 <max_posedon> and updating, updating...
Aug 22 22:47:27 <max_posedon> so, I haven't busybox)
Aug 22 22:47:29 <farhaven> Weiss: just an idea...
Aug 22 22:47:34 <farhaven> do you have a PIN set for your simcard?
Aug 22 22:47:47 <Weiss> nope
Aug 22 22:48:02 <farhaven> damn, so that's not the problem
Aug 22 22:48:05 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, forget flushing, updating rocks! switch from busybox once and forewer)
Aug 22 22:48:05 <farhaven> would've been too easy
Aug 22 22:48:13 <max_posedon> ok, finally prepare script for you
Aug 22 22:48:21 <max_posedon> smth like make_me_good.sh)
Aug 22 22:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: you're missing the point... valaterm has a lot of flaws it seems. my curder-move doesn't work accross lineboundries on long cmdlines issue is with bash, not this other crap
Aug 22 22:50:23 <DocScrutinizer> s/curder/cursor/
Aug 22 22:50:23 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: max_posedon: you're missing the point... valaterm has a lot of flaws it seems. my cursor-move doesn't work accross lineboundries on long cmdlines issue is with bash, not this other crap
Aug 22 22:58:16 <Weiss> farhaven: hmm.. can you put your FR to sleep either? i can't seem to..
Aug 22 22:58:25 <farhaven> second...
Aug 22 22:58:33 <farhaven> hmm
Aug 22 22:58:34 <farhaven> no
Aug 22 22:58:37 <farhaven> and now that you say it
Aug 22 22:58:50 <farhaven> the screen doesn't go dark after a while
Aug 22 22:59:05 <farhaven> damn, i should get a habit of making a backup before each upgrade
Aug 22 23:01:07 <farhaven> i opened a bugreport, it's numer #606
Aug 22 23:03:34 <farhaven> hmm, this sounds like a broken frameworkd, right?
Aug 22 23:03:46 <farhaven> i remember a few configuration changes for it during the update
Aug 22 23:04:53 <Weiss> i think so - i don't really understand how these things work
Aug 22 23:05:33 <farhaven> heh, me neither :/
Aug 22 23:06:02 <Weiss> but i don't think the suspend thing is a kernel problem, because i'm running a custom kernel
Aug 22 23:08:34 <farhaven> hmm, odd
Aug 22 23:08:45 <farhaven> i just changed the GSM antenna status from off to on in shr-settngs
Aug 22 23:08:48 <farhaven> *settings
Aug 22 23:08:55 <farhaven> but ophonekitd seems to have fallen asleep
Aug 22 23:09:07 <farhaven> it doesn't do the wait 5 seconds and retry thing anymore
Aug 22 23:09:11 <farhaven> still no GSM though
Aug 22 23:09:57 <farhaven> hmm, no, ophonekitd simply crashed O_o
Aug 22 23:10:48 <farhaven> and the power section of shr-settings says it can't connect to ophonekitd or FSO
Aug 22 23:11:55 <Weiss> ah.. well spotted..
Aug 22 23:12:46 <farhaven> 2009.08.23 01:11:30.202 frameworkd.resource  ERROR    GSM can't be registered (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.74 was not provided by any .service files). Enabling
Aug 22 23:12:51 <farhaven> in frameworkd.log
Aug 22 23:12:54 <farhaven> dbus error?
Aug 22 23:14:28 <Weiss> could be
Aug 22 23:25:15 <farhaven> what is your solution for now? simply let it be or use an old backup?
Aug 22 23:25:37 <Weiss> i don't have one - i can manage without phone until at least tomorrow :)
Aug 22 23:25:47 <farhaven> hehe
Aug 22 23:25:54 <Weiss> and i have a backup phone if i need it. i'd flash back, but i can't be bothered
Aug 22 23:25:59 <farhaven> luckily i still have qtopia in nand
Aug 22 23:26:09 <Weiss> (i've just set up all the KMS stuff onto my new installation)
Aug 22 23:26:09 <farhaven> yeah, do your kms stuff :D
Aug 23 00:52:03 <max_posedon> dos1!!!
Aug 23 00:52:56 <max_posedon> update, and all doesn't work
Aug 23 01:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: heh, some hours ago your statements were quite different :-P
Aug 23 01:04:38 <max_posedon> since latest update smth new
Aug 23 01:04:43 <max_posedon> one more try
Aug 23 01:30:04 <max_posedon> still broken)
Aug 23 01:33:14 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, don't you remember which packages should be removed?
Aug 23 01:33:22 <max_posedon> gsm0710muxd and ... ?
Aug 23 01:33:36 <max_posedon> (I remember some discussions here about this)
Aug 23 01:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: sorry, not exactly.
Aug 23 01:42:24 <max_posedon> ah, logs succests remove some files, lets try
Aug 23 01:53:05 <max_posedon> 2009.08.23 04:52:31.671 frameworkd.resource  ERROR    GSM can't be registered (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.34 was not provided by any .service files).
Aug 23 02:09:19 <max_posedon> and why gps works?!
Aug 23 02:14:28 <max_posedon> ah, I prefer sleepping
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