**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 28 02:59:56 2009 Aug 28 07:00:24 max_posedon: hey Aug 28 07:00:38 PaulFertser, hi! Aug 28 07:00:38 max_posedon: have you seen the link that explains what "phonet" is? Aug 28 07:01:09 max_posedon: also it mentions ISI Aug 28 07:01:42 you speak about n900 and modem protocol? (its too early for me) Aug 28 07:02:00 max_posedon: yes Aug 28 07:02:12 and no, I don't know what is "isi or phonet" just saw driver in ofono sources Aug 28 07:02:21 max_posedon: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/ Aug 28 07:32:18 [shr] Hello all, I'd like to help out. Where to start? Do I look at the bug list on Trac? all of the bugs have owners so I'm not sure if that's stepping on people's toes by looking into them. I suppose I could learn looking into the code even if I didn't post a patch for it. Aug 28 07:35:53 [debian] - why on earth the install.sh never works?! What makes it so hard to set up? Aug 28 07:35:55 Arigead: wait for dos1 mrmoku|away Ainulindale and other core SHR members, they'll find something to do for you ;) Aug 28 07:36:34 PaulFertser: Thank you ;) Aug 28 07:36:44 rhkfin: and btw i agree with you SHR manual sucks a lot. But i'm mostly concerned with duplicating information from other wiki pages -- that's just stupid, i can't understand who could have done that :S Aug 28 07:37:26 Arigead: You won't step on anyone's toe Aug 28 07:37:37 Arigead: feel free to look anything you think fit Aug 28 07:37:45 And try to learn what there is to do Aug 28 07:38:34 Ainulindale: he needs to know your plans. About that new approach to building gui etc. Aug 28 07:39:59 THere's a lot written in mails already Aug 28 07:40:25 Arigead: how about this: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f1958 :) Aug 28 07:40:53 As for myself for the SHR Manual Aug 28 07:40:55 It exists Aug 28 07:41:05 And it's really good it does Aug 28 07:46:44 OK thanks I'll start having a look. I am on a few of the email lists but there's a lot of stuff in there to take in when you join a few. One feature which for me is a pain is the Messaging app in SHR. I know, or at least I think I know, that a rewrite of that was on hold until the FSO opmid (I think) was completed. now that that seems to be in is a rewrite happening? For me sending and receiving multipart SMS Messages is a bit of a show stopper. Aug 28 07:49:44 Arigead: afaik opimd is fully ready and multipart sms is there, you get it for free in any opimd-using app. And shr-messages were going to be rewritten to use new libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 i guess. Aug 28 07:50:55 PaulFertser: I hadn't seen an opimd messaging app as yet but I'll keep an ear to the ground ;) Aug 28 07:51:17 Arigead: there's opimd-messages which is more a messy testing app. Aug 28 07:51:28 Arigead: but focus your efforts on libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Aug 28 07:52:59 PaulFertser: Right Oh Aug 28 07:56:04 PaulFertser, btw, which keyboard you find best for input russian from neo? Aug 28 07:56:54 max_posedon1: i'm using old slow illume :( Probably literki is better, i've tried it once but something wasn't ok and i moved on. Aug 28 07:59:41 I'm looking for smth that can switch layout on Caps, somebody suggested matchbox keyboard, but didn't tried it yet.. may be others ideas? Aug 28 08:00:42 max_posedon1: matchbox keyboard has a way to switch, yes Aug 28 08:59:35 [debian] Anyone have a working install.sh script? Aug 28 09:00:00 The one available is a fail.. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/054066.html Aug 28 09:02:33 rhkfin: you should mail to pkg-fso-maint Aug 28 09:02:52 rhkfin: or smartphones-userland. the maintainers don't irc here or use community mailing list Aug 28 09:03:02 Hi there Aug 28 09:03:17 I'm trying to use navit on shr-u Aug 28 09:03:32 I have the map data, Aug 28 09:03:35 I get a fix Aug 28 09:03:49 lindi-: any changes you'd forward the url there? Aug 28 09:04:04 but navit doesn't display my position correctly (several hundred km away!) Aug 28 09:05:08 Is someone else experiencing this? Aug 28 09:05:35 rhkfin: sorry too busy to actually read it :( Aug 28 09:08:24 lindi-: np :) Aug 28 09:10:41 rhkfin: I can forward your post to pkg-fso-maint Aug 28 09:11:01 does someone know how up-to-date fso-20090103 is? Aug 28 09:11:34 Mirv: tnaks Aug 28 09:11:48 naeg: 8 months sounds like a long tiem Aug 28 09:12:05 but i don't know if there were any changes? Aug 28 09:12:20 wondering why this snapshot is so old, they don't provide a more up-to-date one Aug 28 09:12:45 naeg: where? Aug 28 09:12:57 http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/ Aug 28 09:13:04 linked from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ Aug 28 09:14:02 http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/images/om-gta02/ doesn't offer any newer.. don't know.. Aug 28 09:15:57 FSOMakefile won't be more up-to-date? Aug 28 09:18:34 The should be a MS 5.5 image somewhere Aug 28 09:19:28 this is the latest? when was MS 5.5 reached? all images i saw where about 2009010* Aug 28 09:20:39 http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ Aug 28 09:21:32 And i think that's the last image provided by FSO Aug 28 09:21:43 after that SHR is recommended Aug 28 09:22:19 so fso-zhone-image-om-gta02 is fso+zhone? Aug 28 09:22:44 i think so Aug 28 09:22:51 i'll see. thanks Heinervdm Aug 28 09:30:28 hello there Aug 28 09:30:51 i'd like feedback from the SHR team about this ticket : http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/80 Aug 28 09:32:41 oh, this image isn't what i searched for...you are sticked to the kernel they use Aug 28 09:33:01 KaZeR-mobi: I think the Problem with libframwork-phonegui is, that it's waiting for a complete rewrite and so nobody implements features in a deprected version Aug 28 09:34:56 Heinervdm: my point of view (but i may be wrong) is that it only needs to send 'off' to the vibrator using dbus when you press that button, no? Aug 28 09:37:54 KaZeR-mobi: it shouldn't be that hard, if frameworkd has a method to disable ringtone and vibrator within a call Aug 28 09:39:33 thanks Heinervdm. i'll have a look at FSO docs this afternoon Aug 28 09:40:21 me too, and if we find something we can tell dos1 the methods Aug 28 09:42:03 great Aug 28 09:44:04 as it seems to me i can just build FSO-images which alot of content, isn't it somehow possible to just build FSO so i can implement it in my sys to get phone working? Aug 28 09:44:32 s/which/with Aug 28 09:46:13 naeg: the older releases hat console images, but can't find them for MS 5.5 Aug 28 09:47:21 Heinervdm: the image you linked to me contents enlightenment, a kernel etc, but i have this stuff already, i just need the phone API for the phone apps Aug 28 09:47:42 is there any channel or something where i can talk to persons who know more about that? Aug 28 09:47:44 naeg: you have an image? Aug 28 09:48:06 Heinervdm: i have a running sys with e17 Aug 28 09:48:06 naeg: wait for mickey|sports Aug 28 09:48:50 naeg: can't you just get frameworkd from git and integrade it? Aug 28 09:49:23 dunno, first need to find out what this is ;) Aug 28 09:49:52 http://git.freesmartphone.org/ Aug 28 09:51:15 and the phoneapps don't need more than this daemon? Aug 28 09:51:41 gsm0710muxd? Aug 28 09:52:14 frameworkd depends on fso-abyss, fsousuaged, python Aug 28 09:52:46 fso-abyss depends on vala dbus libgsm0710mux Aug 28 09:53:48 where is all this written? README tells nothing about that Aug 28 09:53:51 there are a lot of depencies Aug 28 09:54:07 i'm looking at the bb reciepe Aug 28 09:54:27 we don't use bitbake Aug 28 09:54:28 naeg: your building for debian? Aug 28 09:54:37 Heinervdm: no it's for the archlinux arm port Aug 28 09:55:25 i think it would be the best to wait for mickey|sports Aug 28 09:56:14 ok Aug 28 09:56:28 need to go afk anyway, thanks so far Heinervdm Aug 28 10:18:03 hi _ant_ Aug 28 10:18:13 <_ant_> hello Aug 28 10:28:39 wifi-manager to use with SHR? Aug 28 10:30:39 rhkfin: try mokonnect Aug 28 10:30:58 rhkfin: it's a shr-project and included in the fat image Aug 28 10:31:06 thanks Aug 28 10:31:11 yw Aug 28 10:35:09 hehe i just found windows98 First Edition in my basement :D Aug 28 10:40:26 :) Aug 28 11:06:37 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r31b00190120f 10/ (TODO opimd-contacts): opimd-contacts: implement really basic adding and editing Aug 28 11:18:29 supertux-qvga works really well on freerunner :D Aug 28 11:20:21 nice :) Aug 28 11:21:12 i hope someone will create patches for playing with accels and touchscreen ;x Aug 28 11:21:33 yes! Aug 28 11:22:40 version playable with external keyboard will hit repo soon ;) Aug 28 11:22:41 gaming with accels sux :( Aug 28 11:24:19 gaming with external keyboard sucks more :P Aug 28 11:24:58 true ;) Aug 28 11:25:09 i like how visualboyadvance work Aug 28 11:25:11 works* Aug 28 11:25:42 how do you want to make it with snes9x? Aug 28 11:26:26 a) how visualboyadvance work? Aug 28 11:26:51 b) i wasn't talking about snes9x ;x Aug 28 11:26:52 there is a layout for the buttons which you don't see while playing Aug 28 11:27:12 http://www.opkg.org/package_262.html see the pics below Aug 28 11:27:50 dos1: i know you wasn't talking about it, but you said you want to port it, didn't you? Aug 28 11:30:01 naeg: ah, yesterday Aug 28 11:30:05 no port, just build Aug 28 11:30:19 but if you just build it, how can you play it? Aug 28 11:30:57 that's task for others ;) Aug 28 11:31:08 to provide patchset which i'll integrate Aug 28 11:32:43 i want to port it for our sys as well, but at first we need phone functions working Aug 28 11:32:48 hmm if there were some proper gameboy games out there Aug 28 11:32:52 so i think someone else will be faster ;) Aug 28 11:32:56 visualboy would be awesome Aug 28 11:33:02 pokemon! Aug 28 11:33:14 _proper_ Aug 28 11:33:37 i played pokemon when i was 8 Aug 28 11:33:39 what not ok with pokemon? :D Aug 28 11:33:50 "pika pika" Aug 28 11:34:02 the one and only game for GB: Tetris Aug 28 11:34:09 i did too, but i like it now anyway. no better game while waiting for train or something Aug 28 11:34:44 i don't need that kind of regression ;) Aug 28 11:35:00 naeg: that's what music was made for Aug 28 11:35:14 ;p Aug 28 11:36:00 i listen to music while playing pokemon Aug 28 11:36:13 just listening to music is too less for me ;) Aug 28 11:37:34 afk Aug 28 11:37:58 play a ace-of-penguin game ;) Aug 28 11:48:27 i just realised that school starts soon Aug 28 11:48:34 so i need some games on my neo ;D Aug 28 11:48:55 i need aircrackng... Aug 28 11:49:01 just for study :D Aug 28 11:49:26 i have password to wifi network in my school, so i don't need it ;D Aug 28 11:49:58 i also have this, but i need it everywhere Aug 28 11:50:02 GPRS sux Aug 28 11:51:53 dos1: too soon ;) Aug 28 11:52:10 naeg: well one usb-host adapter and you are onboard Aug 28 11:52:42 (micro-usb to usb) + usb wifi stick Aug 28 11:53:58 with new techniques even wpa is dead Aug 28 11:54:05 well..i like aircrackng more :D i need to go now, cu all Aug 28 12:02:23 bumbl: wpa isn't death, you can decrypt 1 byte per second, thats nothing ;) Aug 28 12:02:51 s/second/min/ Aug 28 12:03:31 Heinervdm: good enough if you have neightbour with wpa network and fast internet connection :D Aug 28 12:04:30 dos1: you can't get the passphrase from these packages, only the internal key that regenerated every x seconds Aug 28 12:05:01 Heinervdm: 1 byte per minute is quite good as you can get the key used for data integrity Aug 28 12:06:22 anyway you could still use wep and be on the safe side if you know how + you can have some fun Aug 28 12:06:23 but you can't do very much with that key and not for a long time Aug 28 12:07:12 wep only if you can detect packet injection Aug 28 13:19:15 * DocScrutinizer2 seems to remember airodump for FR. Aircrack is a little silly as it lacks the CPU grunt you'll probably want. Airodump also is nconvenient as it doesn't work with AR6k wifi Aug 28 13:27:20 ~botsnack Aug 28 13:35:28 greetings from russia! Aug 28 13:35:41 on a FR-unrelated part, if I get an access-point connection (with WEP), but no answer to my dhclient, what's up? Aug 28 13:36:13 the windows machine gets an answer :( Aug 28 13:37:15 smth bad happend, wep works me Aug 28 13:37:28 *for me* Aug 28 13:38:12 max_posedon1: what black magic did you have to apply for THAT? Aug 28 13:38:42 okay, fsck it, I'll turn a usb-cable into a crossover-ethernet cable to my linux box anx and tunnel me through a few ssh hops Aug 28 13:39:00 iwconfig, iwconfig, shutdown avahi, udhcpc Aug 28 13:39:07 never used wep myself except for the one time i had to - but back than it worked fine with wpa_supplicant + dhcpcd Aug 28 13:41:08 blindcoder: if this is on a small network and the wep connection part actually works, you could just manually assign the IP address Aug 28 13:41:23 dhcpd is server) Aug 28 13:41:23 net_tux: it's a holiday inn network :/ Aug 28 13:41:40 blindcoder: ah, well, that idea's no good then Aug 28 13:42:06 max_posedon1: dhcpcd is the dhcp client daemon Aug 28 13:43:56 cant be, at least on shr unstable Aug 28 13:45:21 udhcpc - client, udhcpd - server Aug 28 13:46:07 max_posedon1: i - as i think blindcoder are talking about the desktop i think + e.g. gentoo on freerunner uses dhcpcd Aug 28 13:47:04 maybe.. Aug 28 13:47:30 anyway main magic - iwconfig Aug 28 13:59:57 PaulFertser: ping Aug 28 14:01:17 hrm... Aug 28 14:02:04 windows box forwards ssh port of hosted server to linux box, linux box ssh's through forwarded port to server port, opening a tunnel with ssh -w, server NATs that connection, which in turn gets NATed to freerunner Aug 28 14:02:12 I love openssh :) Aug 28 14:10:23 and I hate the semi-intelligence of sh Aug 28 14:10:33 opkg install obexpush Aug 28 14:10:34 ... Aug 28 14:10:37 Configuring obexpush Aug 28 14:10:37 sh: 09: invalid number Aug 28 14:11:00 for anyone wondering: sh interpretes a number with a leading 0 as octal Aug 28 14:11:09 09 is not a valid octal number Aug 28 14:11:23 the decimal 9 is 11 in octal Aug 28 14:13:33 unless you really want octal (I doubt this) you can fix this with Aug 28 14:14:06 paulfertser seems offline (same as DocScrutinizer ;-) Aug 28 14:14:17 BIP down Aug 28 14:14:51 | sed 's,$^\|[^0-9]$0,\1,g' Aug 28 14:15:06 aaah yes Aug 28 14:17:21 or aaah no Aug 28 14:17:55 oops may be))) Aug 28 14:18:13 [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] Maybe Aug 28 14:19:28 '/^0$[0-9]$/\1/' Aug 28 14:19:55 DocScrutinizer2: meh, you and your doing-it-the-easy-way style :P Aug 28 14:19:58 '/^0$[0-9]$*/\1/' even Aug 28 14:20:19 DocScrutinizer2: although that doesn't catch a +09 Aug 28 14:20:39 or a +0[1-9] for that Aug 28 14:20:52 bah Aug 28 14:21:00 '/^0$[0-9]+$/\1/' even Aug 28 14:21:19 still doesn't Aug 28 14:21:22 123+0123 Aug 28 14:21:27 s,+?0*,, Aug 28 14:21:46 max_posedon1: deleting everything starting at a +? nooo Aug 28 14:22:02 in shr where are missed calls? Aug 28 14:22:28 biliquai, look better Aug 28 14:22:29 123+0123 is invalid format anyway. No matter octal, decmal or foo Aug 28 14:22:37 deleting only leading 0 Aug 28 14:23:11 DocScrutinizer2: still might happen (and has happened to me) with date +%H Aug 28 14:23:35 shell won't read that output Aug 28 14:24:10 btw only fsckng BUSYBOX does that afaik Aug 28 14:24:21 * DocScrutinizer2 *HATES* BUSYBOX Aug 28 14:24:23 I had: seconds="60-$( date +%s )" Aug 28 14:24:33 seconds=$(( $seconds )) Aug 28 14:24:37 DocScrutinizer2: nope, bash does it, too Aug 28 14:25:14 * blindcoder is currently goingthrough the shr user manual, now that he knows it exists Aug 28 14:25:49 anyone offended if I add it to the first page of shr-project.org? Aug 28 14:26:51 done Aug 28 14:34:13 blindcoder: echo $(( 10#055 + 0 )) Aug 28 14:34:34 blindcoder: err, echo $(( 10#055 )) Aug 28 14:37:51 DocScrutinizer2: gives 55 Aug 28 14:38:11 grmpf, launcher segfaults when trying to edit applications into categories :( Aug 28 14:38:25 blindcoder: so what would you want instead of decimal 55 for result?? :-P Aug 28 14:39:18 maybe 45 for echo $(( 055 )) ?? Aug 28 14:39:23 DocScrutinizer2: cheesecake Aug 28 14:40:16 sorry, been a weird day Aug 28 14:41:26 or even 85 for echo $(( 16#055 )) Aug 28 14:42:29 maybe try echo $(( 2#055 )) Aug 28 14:42:56 value too great for base Aug 28 14:44:47 jr@halley:~> xx="055" Aug 28 14:44:49 jr@halley:~> echo $xx Aug 28 14:44:50 055 Aug 28 14:44:52 jr@halley:~> base="10#" Aug 28 14:44:53 jr@halley:~> con="$base$xx" Aug 28 14:44:55 jr@halley:~> echo $(( $con )) Aug 28 14:44:56 55 Aug 28 14:45:08 whats this bash voodoo? Aug 28 14:45:25 if you need something that complicated just use python Aug 28 14:45:30 ;) Aug 28 14:45:37 muhaha Aug 28 14:46:01 as if python had no issues with malformed integer representations Aug 28 14:47:50 ;) Aug 28 14:50:31 hrm, literki IS nice,even though the 'transparent' is a bit exaggerated Aug 28 14:50:39 btw, anyone using launcher? Aug 28 14:53:31 neon makes enlightenment segfault Aug 28 14:53:40 is it just me that I trip over all these landmines? Aug 28 14:53:55 yes :P Aug 28 14:54:00 oh, okay then. Aug 28 14:59:23 nytowl: HI there! Aug 28 14:59:32 hey rhkfin Aug 28 15:00:43 nytowl: howdy Aug 28 15:01:02 hey DocScrutinizer2 Aug 28 15:03:58 is there policy somewhere on submitting changes to shr-import ? Aug 28 15:04:51 Upgrading launcher on root from 0.23 to 0.30... Aug 28 15:04:55 * blindcoder whistles innocently Aug 28 15:07:47 still segfaults :( Aug 28 15:11:32 okay, point 1, I think I know what causes the segfault Aug 28 15:11:39 point 2: it's fscking stupid... Aug 28 15:11:58 just need to reboot my phone just now to confirm Aug 28 15:15:23 can anyone tell me where to configure keybindings for power and aux key? Aug 28 15:20:46 Slyon: wrench -> input -> keybindings Aug 28 15:21:26 blindcoder: hmm isn't there a config file? Aug 28 15:22:17 Slyon: I think it's hidden somewhere in .e Aug 28 15:23:09 blindcoder: okay... i'll search for it. thanks Aug 28 15:24:10 Ainulindale: Hi! Aug 28 15:24:28 Ainulindale: I think insalling Paroli overwrites some core config files breaking things (on SHR). Aug 28 15:25:00 Installed Paroli, thigs started to fail, removed it, now running upgrade -> 3 config files were replaces. I got diffs. Aug 28 15:27:47 rhkfin, can you send me the diffs ? Aug 28 15:27:57 (or does it ask to replace the files on every upgrade..? frameworkd.conf, /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/default.yaml, '/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml) Aug 28 15:28:02 nytowl: I can, yes Aug 28 15:29:37 nytowl: done Aug 28 15:29:38 frameworkd.conf you should keep the default installed by shr Aug 28 15:30:06 installing paroli didn't ask me anything.. Aug 28 15:30:15 I only installed the paroli package Aug 28 15:30:25 opreferences/../ default.yaml probably also keep the shr default Aug 28 15:30:39 I'll have a look at rules.yaml Aug 28 15:30:42 ok Aug 28 15:30:53 Is it possible that paroli overwrote those without asking? Aug 28 15:31:00 paroli should make backups of all of the files it overwrites Aug 28 15:31:24 it shouldn't have touched default.yaml Aug 28 15:31:26 well upgrade now asked me if I want to overwrite, I did. Removed Paroli before that Aug 28 15:31:53 it will try to overwrite rules.yaml and frameworkd.conf but it aslo should ask before doing so Aug 28 15:32:21 ok Aug 28 15:32:32 didn't.. Aug 28 15:32:48 hmm trying to get apathy running on shr, but I get "ImportError: No module named gconf" Aug 28 15:32:59 I can't find any gconf python module inside the repos Aug 28 15:33:02 I'll be back soon if SHR GPRS works ootb. :) Aug 28 15:47:47 is www.paroli-project.org unavailable? Aug 28 15:51:06 nytowl: paroli seems to create updates. yet it messed my yaml by not restoring them on uninstall Aug 28 15:51:58 and for sure didn't ask on install Aug 28 15:52:24 DocMobilizer, it doesn't remove the config files properly ( there was an issue with framework overwirting the config files ) Aug 28 15:52:35 I will fix the paroli recipe Aug 28 15:53:24 there should be a backup of /etc/frameworkd.conf and /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml Aug 28 15:53:24 great. the current one made me angry on paro,i Aug 28 15:53:56 Is there a policy on submitting changes to shr-import ? Aug 28 15:54:18 the paroli recipe was basically created from an old shr recipe by replacing the git version to autorev Aug 28 15:58:32 khiraly1, are the paths for paroli's sounds hard coded ? Aug 28 15:59:17 sounds.py:48 Aug 28 15:59:20 self.config_service.set_item('sounds', "smstone_file", "/usr/share/sounds/alarm.wav") Aug 28 15:59:25 so yes Aug 28 16:00:19 khiraly1, the ring tone too I suppose Aug 28 16:00:31 one line before Aug 28 16:00:37 self.config_service.set_item('sounds', "ringtone_file", "/usr/share/sounds/phone_ringing.ogg") Aug 28 16:01:05 wooow, bip is back Aug 28 16:01:22 DocScrutinizer: yep :D Aug 28 16:01:33 Iv heard that fso can provide the fastest ringtone Aug 28 16:01:40 PaulFertser: hey! :-DD Aug 28 16:01:40 DocScrutinizer: apparently was killed by some segmentation fault. Aug 28 16:01:47 ouch Aug 28 16:02:26 could somebody point me to an example python code? Maybe I could incorporate into paroli. Currently (on om2009) having sound when ringing is a bit slow (about 3 sec) Aug 28 16:02:42 I've finally tried to use a bluetooth hid device, in my case it's SE cellphone mimicing mouse and keyboard. Aug 28 16:03:28 Strange thing is that it works (even without uinput module) but only until E "feels" it (disables on-screen-keyboard automatically) Aug 28 16:03:47 khiraly1, paroli's sound handling is getting short circuited right now Aug 28 16:04:04 if you revert to shr rules file then it works as advertised Aug 28 16:04:18 because fso is handling ringing and vib Aug 28 16:04:53 nytowl: hi, welcome back :D Aug 28 16:05:02 Ainulindale, or anyone on the shr coreteam ( is there a list somewhere ? ) Aug 28 16:05:15 is there a policy for making changes to shr-import ? Aug 28 16:05:21 (18.04.04) nytowl: if you revert to shr rules file then it works as advertised <-- and how good is it? Is it better than paroli? Aug 28 16:05:38 ie. is it *faster*? Aug 28 16:05:52 khiraly1, haven't evaluated that part but then at least you get call notification Aug 28 16:06:28 you also should disable notifier and ophonekitd in /etc/X11/Xsession.d Aug 28 16:06:36 and what I dont like on om2009 is when you touch the screen is at least one sec of delay to get the backlight back Aug 28 16:07:25 and having a call means: weak up (1 sec), have the backlight back (0.5 sec), paroli loads the call screen (0.5), ringing begins (0.5sec) Aug 28 16:07:43 so about 3 sec until you hear anything. And it means two ringing at the other party Aug 28 16:07:51 * rhkfin enjoys seeing khiraly1 and nytowl back in business! Aug 28 16:08:21 so if fso on shr is fater or provide a faster path for ringing, its worth the trouble and should be incorporated into paroli Aug 28 16:08:35 my tests were the same as most other cellphones 1 ring for the other party before paroli started to notify you Aug 28 16:09:29 paroli was handling the tones for a while as fso wasn't providing them consistently , that was with a very old oeventsd Aug 28 16:09:47 so it may no longer be neccessary that paroli does it Aug 28 16:09:47 (18.08.35) nytowl: my tests were the same as most other cellphones 1 ring for the other party before paroli started to notify you Aug 28 16:09:51 notify you? Aug 28 16:09:59 either ring or vib Aug 28 16:10:26 when the phone on my desk, I see it wakes up and backlight is full on. I KNOW there is an incoming call Aug 28 16:10:45 so I take the phone and when the paroli screen appears I press immediatly the button Aug 28 16:11:32 other scenario: the phone is in my pocket, I hear the voices (already 1.5sec behind the above scenario), I take the phone press on answer and I miss the call 2 case from 10 Aug 28 16:12:08 if the other party is impatient Aug 28 16:12:24 I dont ring anybody more then three-four generally Aug 28 16:12:38 and the second scenario takes 4-5 ringing ... Aug 28 16:13:21 so I misses calls. If fso is better than paroli's solution, its worth the trouble for incorporating into paroli Aug 28 16:13:31 khiraly1: very umpolite policy to nag ppl wit 3 rings anyway ;-D Aug 28 16:14:36 (18.09.48) nytowl: so it may no longer be neccessary that paroli does it <-- I know mickey was working on a native .wav player to be faster Aug 28 16:14:47 khiraly1, try changing the rules.yaml and see whether it is faster Aug 28 16:14:48 dunno the state of it Aug 28 16:15:38 khiraly1: probably paroli still using gstreamer pipe set up by complex python sytem-cmdline call. Also playback of mp3. All this has been removed from FSO ringtone playback thus a reasonable speedup might come from Aug 28 16:16:17 khiraly1: (native wav player) that's simply aplay which is used to playback ringtones Aug 28 16:17:34 khiraly1: still the plan for FSO is to move ringtone playback from eventsd to dialer as it is the natural place for that function to live Aug 28 16:18:15 dialer? Aug 28 16:18:24 is it an fso service, or som shr application? Aug 28 16:18:35 some Aug 28 16:18:37 the inbound call part of dialer to be precise Aug 28 16:19:15 no fso service Aug 28 16:20:51 paroli already has it, and it is not as fast as it should be Aug 28 16:21:23 see my notes on that above Aug 28 16:21:47 (18.17.35) DocScrutinizer: khiraly1: still the plan for FSO is to move ringtone playback from eventsd to dialer as it is the natural place for that function to live Aug 28 16:22:02 so what? Aug 28 16:22:30 if it moved from eventsd to dialer, that means it is moved outside of fso. Aug 28 16:22:37 I tried upgrading again today; I'm still not getting connected to GSM; calling ogsmd's GetSimReady says the resource is not enabled; trying to enable it hangs for a long time; upon inspection /sys/class...gsm.0/power_on is 0 Aug 28 16:22:37 should I file a bug report Aug 28 16:22:39 ? Aug 28 16:22:42 so what? Aug 28 16:23:45 the plan is to move it. The fact is it's using plain call to aplay Aug 28 16:23:58 right now Aug 28 16:24:09 that's the reason it is faster Aug 28 16:24:30 khiraly1, paroli already has it in the dailer Aug 28 16:24:46 http://www.angrygreengirl.com/ <-- nice idea, even better slogan Aug 28 16:24:48 also the reason we dn't see Arcanoids.pid for ringtone anymore Aug 28 16:24:56 might just need to change the code to use aplay Aug 28 16:25:03 nytowl: yepp, but it has significant delay Aug 28 16:25:23 if it is using gstreamer then yes Aug 28 16:25:35 yes. I thought that's what I am telling all the time, no? Aug 28 16:25:36 Would be nice to evaluate how much time is spent on dbus dbus handling, etc Aug 28 16:27:12 mickey|sports: ping Aug 28 16:27:14 该计划是将其移动。事实上，它是用纯呼吁aplay Aug 28 16:27:20 better?? ;-P Aug 28 16:28:39 khiraly1: that's been done. The result was the change from gstreamer to aplay Aug 28 16:29:11 ok, paroli uses FSO's audio playing facilities Aug 28 16:29:27 audio.py:64 Aug 28 16:29:32 audio = bus.get_object('org.freesmartphone.odeviced', '/org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio') Aug 28 16:30:03 and paroli plays using this object Aug 28 16:30:15 if I read the code correctly Aug 28 16:32:39 tbh I'm not that much interested in paroli to actually check. SHR is fast enough for me Aug 28 16:41:59 AHA!: fso-abyss: error while loading shared libraries: libfsotransport.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Aug 28 16:41:59 installing libfsotransport0 fixed my problem Aug 28 16:41:59 maybe a missing dependency? Aug 28 16:47:25 net_tux: probably Aug 28 16:48:31 or opkg simply not checking for new dependencies on opgrade? Aug 28 16:49:12 possibly Aug 28 16:49:36 should I post about that somewhere or file a bug report? Aug 28 16:55:57 I think that's a question for mrmoku|away dos1|away or mickey|sports Aug 28 16:57:04 heyho Aug 28 16:58:25 so, building shr, how would i include base64 in coreutils? Aug 28 17:25:49