**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 30 02:59:57 2009 Aug 30 03:42:36 good morning everyone Aug 30 06:44:59 hi, is there a meta package for niebiee? Aug 30 06:47:12 don't think so Aug 30 06:47:28 all niebiee themes are in different packs Aug 30 06:47:35 only for dbg and dev ... hmmm Aug 30 06:47:45 shr-theme-niebiee-dbg and shr-theme-niebiee-dev Aug 30 06:51:07 Q-Master: there should be a master package and the themes should be activated automatically in my opinion Aug 30 06:51:37 Q-Master: as the user may not know where he has to activate them Aug 30 06:51:45 true Aug 30 06:51:54 blaim dos for that Aug 30 06:52:12 he is sleeping, i will blame him later Aug 30 06:52:25 8) Aug 30 06:53:58 wpwrak: hi :) Aug 30 06:54:29 wpwrak: what do you say if we revert 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 and declare all rfkill-related races as WONTFIX? Aug 30 06:57:07 larsc: ping Aug 30 07:00:49 PaulFertser: *shrug* if it helps ... i'm not entirely sure this won't cause other problems, but you've done a lot of testing, so you might have found them if they existed :) Aug 30 07:01:12 wpwrak: you know... looking at the history of the driver Aug 30 07:01:45 wpwrak: i see the pattern: the driver somehow works. Michael finds an rfkill-related race. You fix it. We have other problems. Rince, repeat ;) Aug 30 07:03:49 PaulFertser: yeah :) i actually hope i did some analysis of the code paths, but i can't remember any of this Aug 30 07:06:09 wpwrak: any of which? The analysis of the code paths can't ultimately help here because there're too many unnecessary interdependencies i'm afraid... Aug 30 07:07:31 wpwrak: of course i'm not nearly as experienced or cluefull as you. But you see the results: too many mess in the driver already, too many not fully thought-out or tested patches went in. Aug 30 07:07:41 PaulFertser: any of my supposed analysis. yeah, the general weirdness of the driver doens't help Aug 30 07:08:53 wpwrak: the amount of code paths must be lowered and those left must be linearized. Until that is done it will remain a mess, at least that's my uneducated guess. Aug 30 07:09:29 perhaps someone should just make a non-atheros module ;-) Aug 30 07:10:28 is the dialer background in the niebiee theme white or blue? Aug 30 07:10:55 wpwrak: i remember we briefly discussed that marvell chip and as i remember it sucked. Aug 30 07:12:33 wpwrak: it's strange how many important people in atheros were CC'd by Harald and yet no reaction whatsoever. It makes me mad. Aug 30 07:14:29 PaulFertser: that's pretty much the reaction i got on numerous attempts before Aug 30 07:14:55 PaulFertser: (marvell) the 8686 is supposed to be okay Aug 30 07:15:26 wpwrak: the one we discussed? Aug 30 07:15:58 not sure if that was the one we discussed Aug 30 07:16:15 there's the 8688, which apparently has problems Aug 30 07:20:18 wpwrak: since we're having major kernel changes soon it's exactly the time to make a decision about the ar6000 driver... Aug 30 07:22:19 :) Aug 30 07:22:45 PaulFertser: pong Aug 30 07:23:40 larsc: wanted to ask your opinion about the wifi driver, can you please read the backlog here a little? Aug 30 07:27:28 PaulFertser: if i could i would get rid of it... Aug 30 07:27:51 larsc: we can't we want to have wifi even if flaky. Aug 30 07:28:49 wpwrak: that libertas driver doesn't support monitor/AP/injection -> bad choice ? Aug 30 07:28:58 PaulFertser: i know Aug 30 07:29:06 PaulFertser: but what do you want to hear Aug 30 07:30:00 larsc: either "screw rfkill, the driver goes in with 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 reverted" or "no, we can't do that, let's think a bit more" ;) Aug 30 07:31:18 PaulFertser: have you tried just moving HTCSetInstance(ar->arHtcTarget, NULL); back to ar6000_destroy and leaving the rest in ar6000_close ? Aug 30 07:31:34 PaulFertser: you should add a patch for reverting 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 to the bug report and ask people to test it Aug 30 07:31:39 wpwrak: it won't help the problem lindi- reports Aug 30 07:31:43 PaulFertser: (libertas) well, not a regression wrt atheros Aug 30 07:32:00 PaulFertser: darn :( Aug 30 07:32:04 wpwrak: i'm not sure but probably i've read that libertas is not a proper driver anyway? Aug 30 07:32:06 PaulFertser: hm, if the major apps unload the module instead of using rfkill. I guess it's ok to revert the rfkill patch Aug 30 07:32:27 larsc: the major apps (FSO) unbinds s3cmci. Aug 30 07:32:42 larsc: the only rfkill user is android Aug 30 07:33:15 PaulFertser: (libertas) in what sense ? Aug 30 07:33:52 PaulFertser: well, then android distros should ship with that patch all others without Aug 30 07:35:23 wpwrak: i remember reading about some driver that is in Greg's staging tree and is never going upstream... Ok, it wasn't libertas obviously, i was thinking about something else. Aug 30 07:35:40 larsc: but it's a policy thing. Either we do care about races with rfkill or not. Aug 30 07:36:29 PaulFertser: (policy) you can just make it a postponed fix :) Aug 30 07:37:18 wpwrak: (fucked up driver) i was talking about rt3070 for whatever reason... Aug 30 07:54:06 wpwrak: (no reply from atheros) i assumed there're at least several guys there who are not assholes Aug 30 07:54:45 lindi-: budfive_: do you mean that you're ready to redo your tests with 9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12 reverted after i add it to the ticket? Ok, no problem. Aug 30 07:55:12 PaulFertser: sure when i have time Aug 30 08:02:28 lindi-: at least here i could reproduce ifconfig down problem and now after reverting it's not reproducible. Aug 30 08:02:37 lindi-: binding/unbinding works too. Aug 30 08:03:03 PaulFertser: sounds definitely promising Aug 30 08:03:16 lindi-: i wonder why it wasn't reverted in the first place Aug 30 08:03:48 lindi-: automatic reassociation after suspend/resume works too. Aug 30 08:04:10 wpwrak: (assholes) any comment please? Aug 30 08:12:50 hmm Aug 30 08:14:48 Arhuaco: hey :) Aug 30 08:14:56 PaulFertser: Hey! Aug 30 08:15:01 Arhuaco: how are you, what are you busy with lately? :) Aug 30 08:15:04 Just getting home.... Aug 30 08:15:30 I have been taking it easy and doing some consulting work. Aug 30 08:15:54 I think I'll start studying portuguese next month :-) Aug 30 08:16:14 What's new PaulFertser? Aug 30 08:20:02 Arhuaco: also .31 is coming and we hope to have a better and more maintainable kernel thanks to larsc. Aug 30 08:20:37 Arhuaco: i'm getting a gta01 soon, thanks to CM, so probably i'll be able to bring its power consumption down to some acceptable level... Aug 30 08:21:45 PaulFertser, Oh , I see. It seems one patch (the one about S3c2442b) might not make it... let's wait. Aug 30 08:23:48 Hm, looks like trac doesn't understand e-mail addresses specified in a usual "Name name name " way. Screw trac, i've never understood why use that for bugtracking :( Aug 30 08:24:03 Arhuaco: i wonder why ben ignored your requests to include it Aug 30 08:27:01 PaulFertser, he must have a reason.. or He's quite busy :-) Aug 30 08:32:20 PaulFertser: Good night :-) Aug 30 08:32:32 Arhuaco: night and good luck :) Aug 30 08:33:02 Luck.... We always need luck... Thanks. Bye. Aug 30 08:42:36 PaulFertser: .... Screw trac, i've never understood why use that for bugtracking :( <-- because it is *DEAD SIMPLE* Aug 30 08:43:32 khiraly1: it's nowhere near as convenient as debian bugtracking system or even 10 years old bugzilla! Aug 30 08:43:48 I never understood bugzilla, its complicated as hell Aug 30 08:44:06 and having using emails for bugtracking (debian), its really complicated Aug 30 08:44:31 but anyway, everyone's preference differs. I like trac the best because its simplicity Aug 30 08:46:38 khiraly1: since when email is complicated? Aug 30 08:47:04 since you see the bug on the web, and instead to reply it right there, you need to fire an email client Aug 30 08:47:05 ;) Aug 30 08:47:07 khiraly1: (bugzilla complicated) to administer or to use for bugreporting? Aug 30 08:47:33 for bugreporting, and for searching in bugzilla Aug 30 08:49:15 khiraly1: hm, i don't remember any troubles with using bugzilla even for the first time, both searching and bugreporting. Can you give an example? Aug 30 08:50:28 of course, in gnome's bugzilla I have even trouble to locate the proper component Aug 30 08:50:49 and searching means I need to check parameters what I dunno at all Aug 30 08:51:17 and I should specify all the versions too Aug 30 08:51:32 it is like wget-gui in desktop applications Aug 30 08:51:56 http://justaddwater.dk/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/wgetgui-screenshot.png Aug 30 08:52:33 khiraly1: hm, no? i clearly remember you don't really have to choose components etc if you don't know them. Aug 30 08:54:06 I always needed to ask developers, like: "Can you give me an url for all the bugs open untill the next milestone?" Aug 30 08:55:31 for gimp bugzilla I always look on the gimp website for specify query Aug 30 08:55:36 specific Aug 30 08:58:58 khiraly1: just tried to go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ , choosed milestone from the list, pressed "Show", saw all open bugs for that milestone. Aug 30 09:00:11 for gimp: list all open bugs with milestone 2.6: Aug 30 09:00:14 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&target_milestone=2.6 Aug 30 09:01:01 open bugs: Aug 30 09:01:03 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial Aug 30 09:01:19 you can say its simple, but for me its awefully complicated Aug 30 09:01:56 khiraly1: you don't need to type that in! Aug 30 09:02:08 khiraly1: just choose the target milestone. Aug 30 09:02:26 yeah I can select them from a gui which looks like the above posted wget-gui Aug 30 09:02:40 nope, if you select target milestone you dont get the same result list Aug 30 09:03:48 khiraly1: i just tried, seems to be the same? Aug 30 09:03:53 Its like you are on a lake you loose your necklace. Its in the lake somewhere, just need to grip at the right place;) Aug 30 09:04:43 ok. Im on bugzilla.gnome.org, and I dont find how to go to gimp's bugzilla Aug 30 09:05:10 look. I had just an argument that its complicated. And indeed its true. At least for me. Aug 30 09:05:19 so I prefer trac Aug 30 09:05:21 thats all Aug 30 09:05:37 no need to convice me. I think majority of users think the same way Aug 30 09:08:46 khiraly1: ah, i see. You've tried old-school search now and i tried "quicksearch" Aug 30 09:10:16 khiraly1: and tbh i can't see how even usual "advanced search" interface can be seen as over-complicated. In fact, Trac's method of "advanced search" seems to me to be less intuitive. Aug 30 09:11:13 I used google for finding bugs in bugzilla. And I think it says all Aug 30 09:13:52 khiraly1: probably you convinced yourself that it's over-complicated so hard that you couldn't use it properly. Next thing you declare git over-complicated and therefore we should use more user-friendly SVN? Or "industry-standard" ClearCase? Aug 30 09:14:16 git its more simple than svn after all Aug 30 09:15:18 but one (version control) is used for development by developers. While bugreporting is used by users who most of the time are clueless... Aug 30 09:16:45 I dont consider bug tracking that essential (ie. so high entrance level). For git its different, if you invest time it pays you back multiple times Aug 30 09:17:57 khiraly1: i wouldn't want clueless people polluting my bugtracker. Aug 30 09:18:33 I like more what ubuntu does. Users report in a forum, several users helps out each other, they test bugs, and when they have gathered enough data they report the bug. Aug 30 09:19:17 thats way there are more than one people who suffers from the same bug, so its easy to gather more details if hard to reproduce or requires special hardware to reproduce it Aug 30 09:19:51 khiraly1: see where you're writing this ;-) Aug 30 09:19:53 khiraly1: haha, don't get me started. ubuntuforums is the ultimate place where one herd of idiots are "helping" another. Always first in google search results and almost always as useless as MSDN Aug 30 09:20:20 clueless people are useful most of the time. You only need to find how to use them. Here is an excellent example: testswarm.com Aug 30 09:20:42 khiraly1: and web-forums is inherently stupid idea, for many obvious reasons. Aug 30 09:21:57 anyway. I dont see justified bugzilla complexity. But it was just an opinion Aug 30 09:23:03 talking about clueless: could anybody with a better idea about that test the different behaviour of bash as default shell in valaterm - testcases are plain invocation of "sh" vs "sh --login" Aug 30 09:24:32 I'm not sure (have no clue) if valaterm does sth odd when invoking the initial shell, and if so then what (missing env or whatever) Aug 30 09:26:02 sh --login ?, it complains on my desktop: sh: Illegal option -- Aug 30 09:26:42 Hmm.. Installed Paroli on SHr, can't call on either now... SHR tools won't show me my contacts on SIM - and can't hear anything from either directions when making a call.. Aug 30 09:26:53 -> problem 1) how to make SHR contacts read my SIM? Aug 30 09:27:14 khiraly1: no idea. works on FR Aug 30 09:27:30 on SHR-U with bash that is Aug 30 09:27:55 where sh is a link to bash Aug 30 09:28:11 bash --login works Aug 30 09:28:38 When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it Aug 30 09:28:38 first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it Aug 30 09:28:38 looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the Aug 30 09:28:38 first one that exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may be used when the shell is started to inhibit Aug 30 09:28:40 this behavior. Aug 30 09:28:43 doh Aug 30 09:29:14 yoh, have read this Aug 30 09:29:43 even the following lines which are more funny yet Aug 30 09:30:03 have you tried to test with bash --noprofile ? Aug 30 09:30:10 if its behave the same way ? Aug 30 09:31:42 it seems it's doing --noprofile by default. That's the problem Aug 30 09:34:07 have you tried with 'bash -l' Aug 30 09:34:07 or there's something fishy in /etc/profile, or dunno what. Didn't check too closely, as I'm not very much in that (about how it should be when it's standard) Aug 30 09:34:58 obviously same as --login? Aug 30 09:35:15 ehh, your' right Aug 30 09:35:36 and what is the test case what fails Aug 30 09:35:36 ? Aug 30 09:36:22 the start of the shell that makes valaterm a terminal. valaterm seems to do NO -l Aug 30 09:39:26 so when you launch valaterm, there are some ENV variables which does not exist? Aug 30 09:39:30 or what is the problem? Aug 30 09:40:26 yes, that's exactly my question Aug 30 09:41:33 obviously /etc/profile isn't sourced (at all / the way it should be) as e.g. $PS1 isn't set properly Aug 30 09:51:07 DocScrutinizer: xterm does not start login shell either Aug 30 09:51:25 DocScrutinizer: unless you do xterm -ls Aug 30 09:51:37 bah, changed passwd form "/bin/sh" for root to "/bin/bash" and now xserver doesn't come up anymore :-S Aug 30 10:07:09 hmm, cool. time for coffee (finally) and hooking up to ssh... :-( I guess xdm is the "login shell" for root and all other apps are simply inheriting. Probably busybox comes with a crappy /etc/profile (or any other of the scripts sourced by login shell) that borks with bash when bash is default shell (and invoked as "bash" and not as "sh" which causes changed sourcing behaviour of startup-scripts) Aug 30 10:08:52 ahh Aug 30 10:09:02 I *HATE* BUSYBOX Aug 30 10:21:03 DocScrutinizer: just don't use busybox Aug 30 10:21:54 lindi-: THATS the plan. But bash borks on xserver startup with the startup-scripts remnants of busybox Aug 30 10:22:01 I *HATE* BUSYBOX Aug 30 10:23:07 just reverted to root:Kw9HHA:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/sh in /etc/passwd and everything fine again Aug 30 10:23:43 though: Aug 30 10:23:46 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -l `which sh` Aug 30 10:23:48 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-08-25 17:36 /bin/sh -> bash Aug 30 10:27:45 lindi-: also see "man bash /If bash is invoked with the name sh, " Aug 30 10:28:27 so now I only need to make a story out of all that Aug 30 10:29:05 I my hopes were someone here is more used to all that startup scripting foo Aug 30 10:30:04 DocScrutinizer: do you know anything about Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.pdf? I thought I'd open it in inkscape and add new labels so that they are searchable. would that be completely useless work? (can it be done easier) Aug 30 10:31:46 lindi-: would be *highly appreciated*. Alas mentorgraphics PADS seems to have no way to add searchable component names. I spoiled my carma with unspeakable swearwords about that Aug 30 10:34:32 dunno if it can be done easier. That component placement pdf printout was done by our TPE EE colleagues, and I'm not completely convinced if it can be done better. If you know a way to create a better component-placement from Logic/PADS, just tell me and I will happily take the burden to boot to windoze to try it Aug 30 10:35:42 lindi-: i don't know why but everything seems to work today, mpd didn't work yesterday too now its working also again o.O Aug 30 10:39:02 lindi-: another way to accomplish that would be an index over all components with coords after each component, and a pair of nice rulers for component placement X & Y Aug 30 10:41:41 lindi-: maybe even a gif or other raster bitmap format, to open in any pixel oriented drawing app, and the coords are pixels to right/down so you usually can read frm cursor coords easily. No need for rulers then Aug 30 10:43:10 lindi-: this component placement .pdf is nothing else just a .png file embedded into .pdf Aug 30 10:47:39 khiraly1: so probably first step would be to extract/convert to plain png Aug 30 10:49:28 In shr-u, Is there a way to make the vibrate stop earlier then answering.. Caling partys complain that my calls always start with a vibrating sound.. Aug 30 10:49:54 I should see if I can find, get addmittance for, reduce data of, and finally publish gerbers for component-smt-placement Aug 30 10:50:33 TeLLuS: it is a frameworkd performance problem and should be solved when the vala replacement works Aug 30 10:50:57 s/works/is finnished for the relevant parts/ Aug 30 10:50:58 TeLLuS: hehe, I got no complaints but in fact also noticed recently vibrator takes ages to stop when accepting a call Aug 30 10:51:02 ok nice Aug 30 10:52:09 TeLLuS: btw. you don't use the neo as your daily phone for a longer time, do you? because all my friends put off with those tiny bugs Aug 30 10:52:13 DocScrutinizer: pads is proprietary software sorry Aug 30 10:52:15 after some time Aug 30 10:52:58 lindi-: yup, I know :-/ Aug 30 10:53:22 bumbl: Well I forgot the charger for the other mobile so I have used it a few weeks now.. Aug 30 10:55:26 the most annoying bug i came around was that frameworkd not only eats children but also sms Aug 30 10:55:36 i lost 5sms in total Aug 30 10:56:00 but had no time to debug further (i restarted the neo and everyting was fine) as i had to go Aug 30 10:56:48 Ok, I don't think I have not lost any SMS. But some are delayed as usual.. Aug 30 11:00:43 TeLLuS: the funny thing was, i heard them arriving because the gsm modem interfers with my 2.1 loudspeakers whenever a call or sms gets in ( DocScrutinizer: is this normal that loudspeakers are that sensitive) Aug 30 11:01:07 and i got confirmed by some friends that they sent me some Aug 30 11:01:16 but they never arrived Aug 30 11:01:18 bumbl: rather common, yes Aug 30 11:01:29 bumbl: What is you mesages domain setting? Aug 30 11:03:21 TeLLuS: default it should be - and it is an unstable image which worked perfectly the whole august Aug 30 11:03:41 bumbl: actually it's not the speakers, but rather the amp built in to your speakersystem Aug 30 11:05:16 DocScrutinizer: first page is now at iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/searchable-component-placement/ -- see if you can search the pdf for text Aug 30 11:05:31 bumbl: ok, I changed it to sqLite.. I dont trust my sim and it is slow.. Aug 30 11:05:46 lindi-: are you merlin? Aug 30 11:06:25 TeLLuS: are you sure that has an effect yet? because afaik opimd is not used yet by the shr default programs Aug 30 11:06:43 so unless you have installed opimd utils they will still be stored on sim Aug 30 11:06:57 DocScrutinizer: for some reason I can search for "TP1538" but not "H-TP1538" Aug 30 11:07:00 DocScrutinizer: merklin? Aug 30 11:07:14 the dash is not searchable for some odd reason Aug 30 11:07:35 lindi-: merlin -- the famous medieval magician Aug 30 11:08:02 ah that one :) Aug 30 11:08:08 lindi-: so how did you manage to add searchable labels? :-O Aug 30 11:08:11 DocScrutinizer: ok thank you, btw. from the audio point of view i can only recommend the JBL Spot Aug 30 11:08:23 PaulFertser: I just typed them Aug 30 11:08:35 lindi-: all of them? Aug 30 11:08:55 merlin Aug 30 11:09:00 bumbl: Well it was a while since I verified it. But I did change something.. Aug 30 11:09:06 PaulFertser: sure Aug 30 11:09:09 or speedy gonzales Aug 30 11:09:18 PaulFertser: only first page Aug 30 11:09:35 lindi-: hero of the week Aug 30 11:09:41 lindi-: looks awesome Aug 30 11:10:03 well I need to find this one test point so I might as well write them all down :) Aug 30 11:10:16 just the H-TP_WLAN7901 is ugly shadow Aug 30 11:11:01 DocScrutinizer: yeah I better make my new labels invisible so that you only see the bitmap Aug 30 11:11:13 lindi-: yup Aug 30 11:12:54 if you can figure out why the dash ("-") is not searchable, tell me :) Aug 30 11:13:48 (13.06.57) lindi-: DocScrutinizer: for some reason I can search for "TP1538" but not "H-TP1538" <-- you should try with different utf8 char the '-' Aug 30 11:15:27 khiraly1: i'm not sure how to enter that to inkscape Aug 30 11:15:37 grr, some labels have _mirrored_ text Aug 30 11:17:01 lol Aug 30 11:17:59 bumbl: yes I did install libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 opimd-utils and other opimd* and changed backends. Aug 30 11:21:23 ah ok Aug 30 11:21:50 how well do opimd utils work in real-life tests? Aug 30 11:22:04 Hi all, I'm having problem accessing repo.or.cz (SRC_URI for dbux-cxx-async), anyone knows if that would be temporary or permanent ? Aug 30 11:24:14 bumbl: ok for sms do far. I failed to use it for contacts a while ago. But it have been improved from the comits I have seen. But I have not tested it any more yet, Aug 30 11:25:27 ingi: Add in /etc/hosts 62.24.64.27 repo.or.cz I think they changed domainname,, Aug 30 11:29:21 TeLLuS: ok thanks, or maybe they forgot to pay some bill (It happens to me one and a while)... Aug 30 11:33:55 lindi-: please insert your signature/copyright-notice somewhere to the augmented product-placement. I intend to place the file on OM's offivial download page if you wouldn't mind Aug 30 11:42:46 bumbl: What is the relevent parts in frameworkd? Aug 30 11:46:54 errr, what? Aug 30 11:47:38 TeLLuS: are you asking where to place a bomb to have the most effect? ;-> Aug 30 11:48:26 DocScrutinizer: Well yes.. :) To make it fail much faster. Aug 30 11:49:52 DocScrutinizer: It is said to be slow and needed to be improved to avoid the vibrator sound.. Aug 30 11:50:34 TeLLuS: that's supposed to happen with python->vala rewrite Aug 30 11:53:01 DocScrutinizer: I'l rephrase. There is the python that need to be rewritten more exactly? Aug 30 11:54:09 probably oeventsd for that particular purpose. You need to ask mickey|sports to get more savvy answer Aug 30 11:56:59 DocScrutinizer: sure Aug 30 11:58:07 half of page2 is done (the horizontal labels, next up are labels that are not horizontal :)) Aug 30 11:58:52 ehh Aug 30 11:58:56 whole mail: Aug 30 11:58:57 " is it possible to show an gprs icon if an gprs connection has been established?" Aug 30 11:59:15 i think i'll reply with this content: Aug 30 11:59:17 "Yes." Aug 30 11:59:18 ;x Aug 30 11:59:36 lindi-: I know of at least one C that's not on components placement. could you care about that as well? Aug 30 12:00:34 dos1: this at least prooves you're a real hacker ;-) Aug 30 12:06:26 another mail Aug 30 12:06:28 from the same guy Aug 30 12:06:30 " is it possible to set an gps icon, too so I can see the gps chip is online?" Aug 30 12:06:31 ......... Aug 30 12:07:55 DocScrutinizer: OK, thanks, found it. Is there any module already converted to vala I can look at? Aug 30 12:12:12 TeLLuS: scan freesmartphone.org. I think there are quite some - abyss comes to mind. Maybe fsodeviced (not sure about that one). Again, I suggest you talk to mickey|sports, he for sure will happily help you to start helping in porting FSO to vala Aug 30 12:19:05 dos1: not it starts to get silly Aug 30 12:19:09 now Aug 30 12:20:18 dos1: answer: "look at signal-strength and provider-name gadget in illume topbar, so you'll see it's possible. We did it" Aug 30 12:20:53 ooops, gps Aug 30 12:20:56 not gsm Aug 30 12:21:35 TeLLuS: fsousaged is already even used in SHR Aug 30 12:21:48 TeLLuS: and fso-abyss Aug 30 12:21:49 TeLLuS: now mickey|sports works on fsodeviced Aug 30 12:23:31 DocScrutinizer: where is it? Aug 30 12:24:54 DocScrutinizer: page 2 is done. http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/searchable-component-placement/Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.page2.pdf Aug 30 12:25:10 what do you guys think about this layout: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/194cb0099b103a7f7e6f5e987255284a.png ? Aug 30 12:25:17 that's opimd-contacts Aug 30 12:25:30 lindi-: I think C1767 which is supposed to sit where the "H" of H-TP1704 is printed Aug 30 12:25:34 someone already did screen so i didn't do it myself ;) Aug 30 12:26:24 lindi-: iirc Aug 30 12:26:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rcc0ef94c0e49 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: little layout fixes Aug 30 12:27:20 DocScrutinizer: ha, i was just looking for H-TP1704, it is supposed to be PWREN Aug 30 12:27:22 dos1: great Aug 30 12:27:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r8b8ec2d6c53b 10/setup.py: Install also opimd-dates Aug 30 12:27:35 DocScrutinizer: but it seems to be really deep inside the device, i have never removed more than front and back covers Aug 30 12:28:07 DocScrutinizer: ATM you have to type field names by yourself Aug 30 12:28:11 DocScrutinizer: ah you mean it's not only text of C1767 that is missing but also the "icon"? Aug 30 12:28:36 lindi-: yup Aug 30 12:28:44 DocScrutinizer: but i think i'll do some selecting of most "popular" fields (and of course option to enter custom name) Aug 30 12:29:00 DocScrutinizer: is it parallel to R1720? Aug 30 12:29:02 for some strange reason it didn't make it into comp-placemnt Aug 30 12:29:55 lindi-: yes, || C1764 Aug 30 12:30:13 * TeLLuS tries linphone with asterisk. Some problem with sound processing. Maybe unoptimized codec, it uses all cpu.. I could use the GSM codec on my std Amiga 500 for voip with 28k8 modem in 1992.. this shoud be able work I think.. Aug 30 12:30:18 the two huge empty pads Aug 30 12:30:22 TeLLuS: disable echo cancellation Aug 30 12:30:54 eeeew, linphone Aug 30 12:31:02 lindi-: it is off.. I can turn it on. Aug 30 12:31:03 DocScrutinizer: blah, i'll draw it and you can say if it is correct :-) Aug 30 12:33:33 DocScrutinizer: please refresh the pdf Aug 30 12:34:20 Slyon|away: ping Aug 30 12:35:28 lindi-: correct Aug 30 12:35:59 maybe this one the only one not to become transparent? Aug 30 12:36:26 or invisible or whatever Aug 30 12:37:26 for now quite a lot of them are easy to ^find now, but actually hard to read Aug 30 12:37:35 DocScrutinizer: yes Aug 30 12:37:58 lindi-: otherwise... AWESOME, INCREDIBLE Aug 30 12:38:13 don't miss your signature Aug 30 12:38:42 lindi-: Well it was effective echo cancellation when I tried it.. complete silence and even slower.. :) Aug 30 12:40:20 TeLLuS: can you try linphonec (without X)? Aug 30 12:41:21 lindi-: Will try in terminal w8.. Aug 30 12:43:25 DocScrutinizer: do you know if I should be able to measure the voltage at PWREN pin with normal voltimeter without danger of destroying something? ;) Aug 30 12:44:14 sure, go ahead. Any decent voltmeter should do. Remeber ESD standard measure ;-) Aug 30 12:45:12 i wish the testpoint wouldn't be so deep inside the device. if i ever hit the bug again i don't know if I have time to diassemble the whole device to measure that Aug 30 12:46:12 lol, will actually be hard I guess. Especially without breaking power ;) Aug 30 12:47:32 lindi-: Much better. but not perfect. Maybe because of lots of error messages: ALSA lib conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0 LSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default: 0 Aug 30 12:48:38 TeLLuS: fsck linphone. This errormsg makes me think they still have fubar audio Aug 30 12:49:15 TeLLuS: sounds odd, what's in your .asoundrc? Aug 30 12:49:49 * DocScrutinizer wonders if mrmoku|a` ever evetually will succeed to build twinkle for OM Aug 30 12:50:46 lindi-: actually there should be no need for any .asoundrc usually Aug 30 12:50:51 lindi-: Have non.. Aug 30 12:50:58 what I said Aug 30 12:51:39 TeLLuS: odd, here i can make calls just fine (if you don't account for NAT issues) Aug 30 12:51:43 lindi-: Only have playback_dev_id=ALSA: default device in .linphonerc Aug 30 12:53:04 TeLLuS: can't really test now, i'm trying to remove the PCB from the case Aug 30 12:53:51 lindi-: np atleast I got an error now.. Aug 30 12:55:07 DocScrutinizer: wiki says "gently pushing battery compartment base" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 -- isn't the battery compartment part of the same plastic as the case? Aug 30 12:56:10 lindi-: hold device in palm of left hand, place middle finger to bat recession next to bat connector. with right thumb bend out case at headset-jack until pcb pops out Aug 30 12:56:43 yes that's what I am reading Aug 30 12:57:07 well, then it's probably written by me ;-D Aug 30 12:57:46 DocScrutinizer: what about those four black clip? Aug 30 12:57:55 huh? Aug 30 12:58:11 nevermind those Aug 30 13:00:05 just bend out the case with nail of thumb while supporting from below with two fingers of same hand Aug 30 13:00:42 left hand middle finger automatically will support enough to make pcb pop out Aug 30 13:00:51 it's really easy Aug 30 13:03:00 i'm probably just missing something then Aug 30 13:03:32 Could we add linphone so it is more easy to install with opkg? Need updated libosip2 PREFERRED_VERSION_libosip2 ?= "3.3.0" And if someone want to try my build http://87.227.108.179/neo/linphone-3.1.0/ Aug 30 13:03:52 lindi-: enough force? Aug 30 13:04:24 DocScrutinizer: could be Aug 30 13:04:56 don't be shy. I never broke anything by following this procedure Aug 30 13:05:04 TeLLuS: probably you have /etc/asoundrc then, at least SHR has that by default Aug 30 13:06:15 DocScrutinizer: i don't want to be the first :) Aug 30 13:06:39 i should have paid more attention at debconf when the tuxbrain people opened these Aug 30 13:06:42 lindi-: it actually take me e seconds and about 500g force on right thumb Aug 30 13:06:54 s/ e / 3 / Aug 30 13:06:55 DocScrutinizer meant: lindi-: it actually take me 3 seconds and about 500g force on right thumb Aug 30 13:06:55 PaulFertser: I hve a /etc/asound.conf "# default dmix configuration cm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "dmix" } ctl.mixer0 { type hw card 0 } Aug 30 13:07:16 TeLLuS: can you try without it? Aug 30 13:08:26 PaulFertser: won't work. Needs dmix. only thing I see is cm instead of pcm. maybe c&p error Aug 30 13:08:43 pcm.!default Aug 30 13:08:44 DocScrutinizer: should work for testing, no? Aug 30 13:09:26 for testing it should be configured to use hw:0.0 instead of default for output device then Aug 30 13:10:08 or, even better maybe, plughw:0.0 Aug 30 13:12:41 DocScrutinizer: yes missed p in pcm.. Aug 30 13:13:07 DocScrutinizer: was c&p error Aug 30 13:13:34 lindi-: there's no better method. Using any screwdrivers etc actually is more prone to break hw Aug 30 13:15:04 i'll go eat something :) Aug 30 13:15:49 * DocScrutinizer as well Aug 30 13:16:25 though obviausly lindi- needs it more to gain power ;-D Aug 30 13:23:01 PaulFertser: It is working ok now without /etc/asound.conf and err messages are gone.. now need to fix mic also so I got two way communication.. Aug 30 13:23:46 that will be the much harder part probably Aug 30 13:26:08 also be aware linphone will probably fail without dmix which is setup in /etc/asound.conf, if any other app is playing any audio at the moment you try to open audio device in linphone (and vice versa) Aug 30 13:26:42 quite some apps may fail completely without asound.conf Aug 30 13:29:10 and for mic you most likely want to use audiodevice hw:0.0 anyway Aug 30 13:29:21 DocScrutinizer: So what should I change? And what about /etc/asoundrc I do run shr-u.. Aug 30 13:31:10 first try playing with .linphonerc audiodevice settings. As suggested before, use plughw:0.0 for playback device and hw:0.0 for recording device (if linphone crap even knows the difference between playback and rec dev) Aug 30 13:33:20 configure linphone to use a lightwight codec (wrt cpu usage) - if linphone offers a way to do that. Don't ask me to tell about cpu usage of different codecs off top of my head. GSM would be a good guess Aug 30 13:34:12 u-law/a-law even better as it doesn't need any calculations Aug 30 13:34:27 eats bandwidth otoh Aug 30 13:34:32 This is on the wiki.. http://www.koolu.org/asound.conf Aug 30 13:34:42 it's not that simple ;-) Aug 30 13:35:10 who gives a s...t about koolu? Aug 30 13:36:36 leave asound.conf alone and try to fix the issue with linphone settings Aug 30 13:37:30 at least until you *know* what you do to asound.conf to focus on a particular target Aug 30 13:38:14 Weiss: something in xserver-xorg master after commit af76bddd7a47092e2f0f85b2547c1cc74eb5cebc broke your glamo or its broken itself and Xorg is segfaulting, last messages in log are: (II) Glamo: driver for glamo: Glamo (WW) Falling back to old probe method for Glamo (II) Using KMS! Backtrace: Segfault Aug 30 13:38:18 asound.conf is a systemwide setting. No good idea to randomly mess with it Aug 30 13:39:53 Weiss: I'll try to bisect to commit 24716b9254fa7d609792596723a192bb044a7d3f to see if its some change in api or just something broken in xorg itself Aug 30 13:48:06 JaMa: heh, "backtrace: segfault" is lovely Aug 30 13:50:29 DocScrutinizer: not so much, when someone has no fallback distro as I have :) Aug 30 14:00:17 SHR: 03ole 07shr-settings * r40cca03d57da 10/data/po/da/shr-settings.po: [po] update danish translation Aug 30 14:00:18 SHR: 03david 07shr-settings * r0a6a686dc5e5 10/data/po/es/shr-settings.po: [po] update spanish translation Aug 30 14:00:19 SHR: 03david 07shr-settings * r11fdcef29054 10/data/po/gl/shr-settings.po: [po] add galician translation Aug 30 14:00:20 SHR: 03soltys 07shr-settings * r806e73888153 10/data/po/ (pl/shr-settings.mo pl/shr-settings.po shr-settings.pot): [po] update polish translation and .pot file Aug 30 14:17:34 PaulFertser: can you tell me who is doing russian translation for phone utils? seems there is a misprint there. Aug 30 14:19:32 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r6f3a335fc300 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Little translation fixes Aug 30 14:19:49 Q-Master: translation for phone-utils? Aug 30 14:27:28 dos1: not really. I think it is shr-dialer Aug 30 14:27:40 Q-Master: so libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Aug 30 14:27:52 think so Aug 30 15:04:35 Ainulindale: ping ping ping Aug 30 15:04:41 pong pong pong Aug 30 15:04:50 Ainulindale: repo.or.cz have only DNS problems, server is working Aug 30 15:05:00 Ainulindale: we can workaround it by adding 62.24.64.27 to /etc/hosts Aug 30 15:05:07