**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 02 02:59:58 2009 Sep 02 05:13:08 fredrin: yes, another alternative is emacs-based interface Sep 02 05:42:58 fredrin: that has been written ages ago, see johnsu's user page links Sep 02 05:56:28 Holding gta01 in my hands and it boots! YAY! Sep 02 06:45:58 * PaulFertser can't force charging on gta01 with non-gta01 battery :( shit... Sep 02 07:06:01 Why did they blindly followed "guidelines" instead of thinking about BL-5/6C compatibility... Sep 02 07:33:11 * PaulFertser flashed known-to-work Qi version and now can't boot at all :-O, no debug board too, even usb-uart converter is not available. Hm Sep 02 07:33:15 Lucky me Sep 02 07:35:59 Even in case booting from uSD doesn't work, it should have booted from NAND :-/ Sep 02 08:01:22 heyho Sep 02 08:44:17 PaulFertser: you know, u-boot is working on gta01 :)) Sep 02 09:26:40 hi Sep 02 09:26:47 hi there khiraly1 Sep 02 09:27:43 rhkfin: the community news is out exactly when? Sep 02 09:28:42 khiraly1: when someone releases it Sep 02 09:28:58 there's no exact time.. You can do it if you want, right now. Sep 02 09:30:02 khiraly1: see 'releasing' here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates ("If it's The Release Date and you notice the news has not been released, DO IT! Don't trust that someone else will do it for you. ") Sep 02 09:30:32 anyway, dunno if its worth mentioning it, but you could past screenshot of the upcoming paroli-calendar application (not releaset yet) Sep 02 09:30:47 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/calendar4.jpg Sep 02 09:30:49 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/calendar5.png Sep 02 09:30:59 no, won't do it. Sep 02 09:31:04 You add it if you want :) Sep 02 09:31:13 (and if there's nothing to release yet..) Sep 02 09:32:44 ok Sep 02 09:35:32 didnt know what has exactly news value;) Sep 02 09:37:36 rhkfin: btw, paroli-calculator will be available too Sep 02 09:37:52 It has problems currently (packaging problem, thats it), but I will look at it this evening Sep 02 09:38:08 the package name will be paroli-calculator Sep 02 09:38:31 khiraly1: nice! Are you running Paroli successfully on SHR? Sep 02 09:38:48 I tried and got everything broken but I suppose some stuff has already been fixed.. Sep 02 09:38:56 (had to reflash - needed a working phone..) Sep 02 09:38:58 not yet. I will look at it too. I was a bit hold back because of the connectivity issue Sep 02 09:39:33 ok Sep 02 09:39:36 btw, I will write this evening an updated first time installation manual. Because I got a virgin freerunner, so I think it is authentic Sep 02 09:39:46 :) Sep 02 09:39:54 you can look at the draft here: Sep 02 09:39:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Khiraly Sep 02 09:40:50 and I have also a plug&play experience with freerunner networking Sep 02 09:40:57 Are you planning to put it here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual Sep 02 09:41:04 nope Sep 02 09:41:09 That's nice. I tried to configure it with Ubuntu but was too complicated Sep 02 09:41:10 it is just too detailed Sep 02 09:41:34 I want write just the barebone, and link to the detailed page, if the reader has trouble Sep 02 09:41:58 so the commands (what needs to be run) and some short description. Just like you see it currently Sep 02 09:42:09 Try to remove old stuff from wiki about installation.. . It's a mess each part explained separately.. Sep 02 09:42:27 yeah, seemed like a real spaghetti to me Sep 02 09:42:36 so its more easy to write just what is exactly needed Sep 02 09:43:00 nice Sep 02 09:43:35 so on paroli front these are the news: 1. available on shr, small bugs here and there. 2. paroli-calculator package (needs fixing some minor issue) 3. paroli-calendar at concept stage (just screenshot) Sep 02 09:44:00 you're welcome to add it there :) Sep 02 09:44:38 (paroli on SHR already there) Sep 02 10:41:41 hello ;) Sep 02 10:41:51 can anyone tell me where i can get the source code for raster's illume keyboard? Sep 02 10:43:47 ecraven: e17 svn? Sep 02 10:44:19 ecraven: wanna fix the landscape bug? :D Sep 02 10:44:48 nope, want to implement a keyboard ;) Sep 02 10:44:57 http://exideas.com/ME/iPhone-demo/iPhone-game/ Sep 02 10:45:00 looks interesting Sep 02 10:45:51 looks like qwo Sep 02 10:46:00 ecraven: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/src/modules/illume Sep 02 10:46:06 ecraven: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ Sep 02 10:46:19 (though that iphone-thing looks like a bit more usable) Sep 02 11:00:22 Weiss: problems with vgaarb resolved by latest commit to xserver and libpciaccess (you'll need git or newer then 0.10.8 now) Sep 02 11:08:25 hi Sep 02 11:08:34 (13.00.56) khiraly1: ecraven: e/trunk/src/modules/illume/ (13.01.32) khiraly1: e_kbd.c (13.01.37) khiraly1: e_kbd*.* (13.02.29) khiraly1: dunno, if Im online, I hope you read it, what I wrote (13.08.02) khiraly1: hmm Sep 02 11:15:57 hi spaetz Sep 02 11:21:17 hi Sep 02 11:53:52 morning Sep 02 11:56:58 could someone confirm we have a regression in SHR-FSO, please. connect to GPRS, start xchat (probably pidgin, midori or anything will do), disconnect GPRS -> framework borks (you can tell from settings not opening the connectivity tab but hanging on "loading 4 modules") Sep 02 11:58:51 I had two identical faults like that in a row, both times GPRS stays connected for a while before disconnecting it Sep 02 12:06:49 rtp: i know but it's worse than Qi. Sep 02 12:07:00 rtp: also i can't boot anything atm Sep 02 12:09:59 mickeyl: could you check the GPRS disconnect death of framework please Sep 02 12:10:17 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r54da27bfb44a /libfsobasics/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libfsobasics: post-release version bump Sep 02 12:10:18 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * rf8ecb197c73c /libfsoframework/fsoframework/kobjectnotifier.vala: libfsoframework: silence vala varnings and replace assert_not_reached() with critical() Sep 02 12:10:43 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r2f8862ba0ee1 /libfsoframework/configure.ac: libfsoframework: post-release version bump Sep 02 12:10:54 DocScrutinizer: morning :) gta01 is here and i already somewhat "bricked" it :D Sep 02 12:11:08 hehehehe Sep 02 12:11:20 PaulFertser: great! :-) Sep 02 12:11:35 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r4fbef899321d /fsousaged/ (configure.ac src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: post-release version bump Sep 02 12:11:54 PaulFertser: it's not worse as it looks like Qi doesn't allow you to boot :) Sep 02 12:12:01 PaulFertser: no debug board ? /o\ Sep 02 12:12:09 rtp: sure Sep 02 12:13:00 rtp: my guess is that SD card i'm trying to boot with is not fully compatible. Sep 02 12:13:40 PaulFertser: ext2/3? Sep 02 12:14:26 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r195c6973e539 /fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: catch up with libfsoframework; builds again Sep 02 12:15:10 DocScrutinizer: i'm afraid i can't do much there (child process starvation), but i'll recheck when i have a chance Sep 02 12:15:14 PaulFertser: SD card compatibility is strange given that the kernel might support the card but not uboot/qi. and I've a working card on gta01 which tends to produce errors on gta02 (could be a bug in gta02 driver ) Sep 02 12:15:24 DocScrutinizer: yes Sep 02 12:16:17 PaulFertser: uBoot doesn't support 256bit inodes (bug in uboot) Sep 02 12:16:22 rtp: qi doesn't boot the kernel, it does only one vibe Sep 02 12:16:25 DocScrutinizer: flashed qi already ;( Sep 02 12:17:23 hmm, dunno if Qi is even compatible to gta01 Sep 02 12:17:47 DocScrutinizer: i do! I implemented SDHC support for it even. Sep 02 12:21:30 DocScrutinizer: do you know i couldn't find any way to force charging of non-gta01 battery despite i read pcf50606 datasheet with passion? Sep 02 12:22:05 PaulFertser: that's rather nasty Sep 02 12:22:44 DocScrutinizer: what is really nasty is that designers desided to literally follow DS example instead of thinking about compatibility with nokia batteries :((( Sep 02 12:26:39 I'll have a usb-uart converter tomorrow evening. But probably i just need to find a fully compatible card... Sep 02 12:29:46 mickeyl: if you can't help on frameworkd freezing on GPRS-disconnect, then please tell who else is the one in charge to fix that (maybe open a ticket?) For now that issue is a showstopper rendering the device as a brick basically Sep 02 12:30:25 DocScrutinizer: it's somewhere between glib and ppp Sep 02 12:30:35 hard to find the culprit Sep 02 12:39:30 mickeyl: from logs the disconnect seems to finish smoothly. Nevertheless whole framework is frozen after that. maybe for a first bandaid find the call that hangs in frameworkd and make that async or add a timeout? Or even kill -9 the childprocess - whichever that might be Sep 02 12:39:56 which image are you using? Sep 02 12:40:04 OT: what's the best gobject serialization library? Sep 02 12:40:18 shr-u88 with upgrade as of 48h ago Sep 02 12:42:45 Anyone has SHR unstable gps working? Sep 02 12:43:37 kinda, yeah Sep 02 12:43:43 rhkfin: works great here Sep 02 12:43:45 takes a freaking long time to get a fix in here, but works Sep 02 12:44:34 DocScrutinizer: btw, i like gta01 mechanics for cards more than gta02, any idea about the reason for change? Sep 02 12:45:28 PaulFertser: mechanics flimsy (even more) on 01? EOL? dunno Sep 02 12:45:34 DocScrutinizer: ootb? Sep 02 12:45:45 rhkfin: yup Sep 02 12:45:49 DocScrutinizer: and it turns automatically on by just starting tangogps? Sep 02 12:45:57 yup Sep 02 12:46:48 * rhkfin clibs to the roof of the house, graps FR, a good book and a bottle of soda.... Sep 02 12:46:59 rhkfin: but I didn't install navit. The navit install howto looks rather fishy to me Sep 02 12:47:08 i'd rather graba bottle of vodka :P Sep 02 12:47:27 DocScrutinizer: 'opkg install navit'...? Sep 02 12:47:41 dunno Sep 02 12:47:50 never touched navit yet Sep 02 12:48:11 * Sharwin_F has to do some black magic every time he installs navit Sep 02 12:48:18 Sharwin_F: any pointers? Sep 02 12:48:29 Sharwin_F: or what kind of symptons? hear beating, sweating.. ? Sep 02 12:48:32 heart Sep 02 12:48:48 Sharwin_F: I think it's that black magic that borks GPS Sep 02 12:48:55 rhkfin, black magic, every time I have to do it, I don't remember at all Sep 02 12:49:06 I think it has to do with maps and initial position Sep 02 12:49:29 I set up the map in the xml file but it doesn't appear -.- Sep 02 12:49:44 hmm... Sep 02 12:49:51 I read sth about installing gpslibs.sos etc. can't imagine that's sane Sep 02 12:51:37 after just installed it and run navit, I get a GUI with menus and a white/orange background, different from the one which shows when navit works (showing a map) Sep 02 12:52:22 Sharwin_F: I'd like tangogps to run first, ootb.. I think I have some problems there. Sep 02 12:52:56 rhkfin, what's working wrongly on tangogps for you? Sep 02 12:53:44 no fix... Sep 02 12:53:45 DocScrutinizer: hehe, i found why i couldn't boot. Looks like gta01 can't boot with gta02 battery, but can boot on Nokia bat! :D Sep 02 12:54:03 I'll need to try to wait longer.. I think om2009 took the fix a loot faster.. Sep 02 12:54:08 Will report back later Sep 02 12:54:42 PaulFertser: lol Sep 02 12:56:02 rhkfin, have you tried using the gui on shr-settings? Sep 02 12:56:41 rhkfin: I seem to remember first mandatory action after flashing was to go to settings-GPS, delete AGPS-data, (reboot?), switch to manual+on, and wait some rather long time for a first fix Sep 02 12:56:54 Sharwin_F: exactly Sep 02 12:57:27 DocScrutinizer: not sure but looks like that. Or probably i just reseated the uSD card properly... need to try again Sep 02 12:58:08 DocScrutinizer, I did something similar to that some days before (reflashing + shr-settings), but without removing AGPS data, and the fix was really fast, about 30 seconds Sep 02 12:58:13 PaulFertser: 01 mech flinsy. told ya. might even short SIM/uSD contacts without card inserted Sep 02 12:58:19 I seem to remember first mandatory action after flashing was to go to settings-GPS, delete AGPS-data, (reboot?), switch to manual+on, and wait some rather long time for a first fix Sep 02 12:58:24 ^ah... ok.. Sep 02 12:58:31 BTW, SHR guys, you rock, ootb experience is well, good. Sep 02 12:59:13 Sharwin_F: 30..40sec seems a reasonable time for fix. Same here Sep 02 12:59:51 though often it takes 150sec in suboptimal conditions Sep 02 13:00:03 DocScrutinizer: I agree.. Butr removed agps stuff now, let's see later.. Sep 02 13:00:42 DocScrutinizer: no, i was wrong, booting with gta02 bat as well... Sep 02 13:03:08 there is sth wrong with libfsobasics in SHR it can't find linux26.vapi while do_configure Sep 02 13:03:09 PaulFertser: well I couldn't make a sory about 02-bat stopping boot, other than Qi maybe testing for that Sep 02 13:03:24 s/sory/story/ Sep 02 13:03:24 DocScrutinizer meant: PaulFertser: well I couldn't make a story about 02-bat stopping boot, other than Qi maybe testing for that Sep 02 13:04:43 DocScrutinizer: i suspected some other madness in pcf50606 (like if the fact it doesn't allow to fine-tune temperature charger shutoff was not enough). Sep 02 13:06:02 It still charges the battery but very slow, in pre-charge mode, probably like 70mA. Better than nothing. Sep 02 13:06:33 PaulFertser: (temp chrg) isn't there a register bit to completely disable temp? Sep 02 13:07:17 I know tuning can be done by R dimensioning only Sep 02 13:07:18 DocScrutinizer: i'm not nearly as efficient in scrutinizing docs, probably i missed that. Sep 02 13:07:29 But i couldn't find. Sep 02 13:07:46 PaulFertser: would you want me to check that? Sep 02 13:09:29 DocScrutinizer: well, when/if you're in a mood like doing that, why not :D Sep 02 13:11:30 let's see. Maybe later Sep 02 13:11:49 atm mood is more like gettin breakfast Sep 02 13:12:01 You said that word! Sep 02 13:12:16 < DocScrutinizer> breakfast? ahh, you're talking about that strange habit... Sep 02 13:12:19 :D Sep 02 13:12:42 hehe, yes. Actually I did. Puzzling ;-P Sep 02 13:14:19 Mad stuff, SHR on gta01 feels so fast and useable. Sep 02 13:14:34 *sigh* Sep 02 13:14:41 gfx Sep 02 13:14:47 really makes a difference Sep 02 13:15:09 OTOH probably that's because i use SHR for the first time Sep 02 13:15:36 it's even cooler on gta02 :D Sep 02 13:15:50 farhaven: did you have a chance to compare? Sep 02 13:16:23 nah :D Sep 02 13:20:58 PaulFertser: yeah. Sometimes I really wonder about switching back to gta01 because of that display stuff :( Sep 02 13:21:37 rtp: so really, you tried modern SHR on both devices and gta01 "feels" better? what a mess. Sep 02 13:22:55 vala-terminal is cool Sep 02 13:25:19 Oh man, it'd be sad to fully disassemble the device. . o O ( I hope it will still be beneficial... Gotta get a suitable soldering iron before the weekend... ) Sep 02 13:26:57 PaulFertser: I was using one image made in july on my gta01 but I don't think things have changed enough to make a diff Sep 02 13:28:01 PaulFertser: why do you want to disassemble it ? remove that transistor preventing wake up ? Sep 02 13:30:08 rtp: no, i have "the green one" so that's not a problem. Sep 02 13:30:29 PaulFertser: "" Sep 02 13:30:31 The charging process is stopped and restarted in the qualiﬁcation phase when the Sep 02 13:30:32 battery temperature goes outside the set limits, assuming that the battery Sep 02 13:30:34 temperature monitoring is activated (DISBTVAL=0). Sep 02 13:30:35 "" Sep 02 13:31:43 DocScrutinizer: looks like it's some internal knob Sep 02 13:33:07 PaulFertser: well, at least you can always charge with qualification-mode, and you can somewhat program the charge current used in that phase. This phase will continue even if battemp is detected to be out of bounds Sep 02 13:34:03 DocScrutinizer: yes, like i said. Well, better than nothing. Sep 02 13:35:57 PaulFertser: Sep 02 13:35:58 5-4 CURRAT 01 Current setting qualiﬁcation, pre and Sep 02 13:36:00 (0.1*IFAST) trickle charge mode Sep 02 13:36:01 00: 0.05 * IFAST Sep 02 13:36:04 01: 0.10 * IFAST Sep 02 13:36:04 10: 0.20 * IFAST Sep 02 13:36:06 11: 0.40 * IFAST Sep 02 13:36:27 0.4 * IFAST doesn't look that bad Sep 02 13:36:49 DocScrutinizer: yes, yes, i can read :D Sep 02 13:42:10 PaulFertser: no other obvious way to force disable battemp Sep 02 13:42:28 DocScrutinizer: i see. Thanks a lot for confirming! :D Sep 02 13:42:34 np Sep 02 13:43:03 rtp: i'm going to cut some power paths and investigate in the hope of getting power consumption down to some reasonable value both in suspend and runtime. Sep 02 13:57:28 ok, a short interim report on standby time: ~45h in sleep=2 suspended Sep 02 13:58:03 DocScrutinizer: with gta02? Sep 02 13:58:19 DocScrutinizer: mickeyl said he got around 70h. Sep 02 13:58:47 with my very particular network situation, gtao2, non 1024 fixed (though doesn't matter on sleep=2) Sep 02 13:58:55 YMMV Sep 02 13:59:54 DocScrutinizer: do you think i can use my off-the-shelf switchable psu with tuneable output to simulate a battery for gta01 (i do not intend to use GSM)? What should i check prior to trying to make sure it's safe? Sep 02 14:00:19 If I did that test next room, it might become 70h as well Sep 02 14:01:18 PaulFertser: make sure the voltage is <4V5 and no spikes on power-on/off Sep 02 14:02:58 DocScrutinizer: ok, will do Sep 02 14:03:13 PaulFertser: maybe use an additional 5V2 Zener if unsure Sep 02 14:03:49 and set max current to meet spec os that Zener Sep 02 14:05:23 for a decent PSU you shouldn't need Zener Sep 02 14:08:52 I heard of people using a 1R or 0R5 plus PSU set to 3V6 to simulate a bat you even can charge ;-) Sep 02 14:08:55 DocScrutinizer: no current limit unfortunately. Sep 02 14:09:04 DocScrutinizer: probably i'll find a proper fuse. Sep 02 14:09:23 forget fuse, won't help anything Sep 02 14:09:29 Too long? Sep 02 14:09:34 yep Sep 02 14:09:38 too slow Sep 02 14:11:27 you can soewhat limit max current by inserting a series R primary side of linear regulator. Not for switched PSU though, obviously Sep 02 14:12:57 if it's a switched PSU, make damn sure voltage without load doesn't overshoot Sep 02 14:13:21 or aply load shunt Sep 02 14:13:25 What's wrong with a simple Zener? Sep 02 14:14:05 [16:01] PaulFertser: maybe use an additional 5V2 Zener if unsure Sep 02 14:14:20 [16:01] and set max current to meet spec os that Zener Sep 02 14:14:32 ahh :) Sep 02 14:14:39 sorry Sep 02 14:16:51 a fast 1A glasstube fuse might help with a 1A heavy duty Zener after fuse though Sep 02 14:18:25 both as a current limiting series R and a fuse to blow before zener incinerates Sep 02 14:19:56 DocScrutinizer: i'll check that for sure, will take my PSU to work tomorrow and will use a decent scope. Sep 02 14:20:20 PaulFertser: or use a crowbar circuit with a thyristor (or transistors) that easily eat max current of PSU Sep 02 14:21:36 DocScrutinizer: that's a capable beast, 3A. Sep 02 14:22:15 should do anyway... mompl Sep 02 14:23:11 PaulFertser: http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/public/schaerer/crowbar.htm Sep 02 14:23:43 DocScrutinizer: yo Sep 02 14:27:24 PaulFertser: that's ultimate rationale OVP to blow a fuse in case of fatal malfunction in PSU. You're supposed to bin the whole device once the fuse blew Sep 02 14:28:20 (well usually ;-) Sep 02 14:30:48 anybody got some link like "build your own userland/rootfs from scratch for dummies" ? :p Sep 02 14:30:59 tag8tag_wrk`: without using OE? Sep 02 14:31:10 with oe Sep 02 14:31:22 you might want to have a second smaller fuse *after* crowbar to distinguish overload from crowbar triggering Sep 02 14:31:23 tag8tag_wrk`: why not use SHR building howto? Sep 02 14:32:29 anyway crowbar is a use&bin circuit Sep 02 14:32:53 i'd like to make a really minimal rootfs Sep 02 14:32:55 no x Sep 02 14:33:01 no package management Sep 02 14:33:31 dos1? Sep 02 14:34:06 quickly : im trying to transform my gta01 into a midi controller :> Sep 02 14:34:31 tag8tag_wrk`: read OE manual a little, then make another fancy task based on examples (you can use shr tasks for that). Sep 02 14:34:37 PaulFertser: just get a decent lab PSU ;-P Sep 02 14:34:41 ok Sep 02 14:34:54 DocScrutinizer: probably i should, i saved plenty of money getting gta01 for free :D Sep 02 14:35:09 heh :-DD Sep 02 14:35:27 PaulFertser: thx again, u'r really helpfull Sep 02 14:35:43 tag8tag_wrk`: welcome Sep 02 14:36:24 i've already installed oe yesterday, must wait 2hours before end of work :> Sep 02 14:42:53 I thought about something new I want in libphone-utils! Sep 02 14:43:18 I want a sms-strlen Sep 02 14:43:18 :) Sep 02 14:43:18 and btw, I passed the motorcycle test :) I got my new, bigger license! Sep 02 14:45:48 heyho Sep 02 14:47:20 TAsn: congrats :) Always wear _full_ protection no matter how hot it's outside... Sep 02 14:47:44 what do you mean by full? Sep 02 14:47:50 I was thinking about Sep 02 14:48:00 coat + helmet + maybe knee protection Sep 02 14:48:10 I don't think I'll wear gloves Sep 02 14:48:20 (in the summer) Sep 02 14:49:06 bad idea Sep 02 14:49:12 TAsn: helmet, proper motocycle jacket with integrated spine and arms protection, gloves, boots. Just like racers do. Sep 02 14:49:44 what about knee pads? Sep 02 14:49:49 Ah, also proper motorcycle trousers Sep 02 14:49:50 gloves just sound stupid. Sep 02 14:50:00 PaulFertser, aint gonna happen. ;| Sep 02 14:50:03 TAsn: gloves save ones fingers. Sep 02 14:50:10 (referring to boots and trousers) Sep 02 14:50:22 gloves ok Sep 02 14:50:55 I can manage with gloves Sep 02 14:50:55 but there's no way I'll wear trousers or boots. Sep 02 14:50:55 I'll consider not wearing flipflops Sep 02 14:50:55 :) Sep 02 14:51:11 TAsn: boots are essential too... Sep 02 14:51:19 TAsn: without gloves when you fall your finges will fall off during days and nothing you can do to help that Sep 02 14:52:06 Well, judge for yourself... Racers do wear everything even when it's hot. And they can ride even after falling at 150km/h. You never know what waits for you on general public roads. Sep 02 14:54:56 PaulFertser, as I said, ain't gonna happen Sep 02 14:55:01 TAsn: ok Sep 02 14:55:02 I'm not a boots person. :) Sep 02 14:55:35 TAsn: i really hope you're not an "eventually getting in a bad accident" person. Really. Sep 02 14:55:36 PaulFertser, lucky for me I'm buying a small motorcycle (yamaha xt125) I can't reach 150 :) Sep 02 14:55:55 PaulFertser, nah, I'm a coward, I'll probably be fine ;) Sep 02 14:56:17 PaulFertser, I don't mind wearing protective gear when it's hot Sep 02 14:56:28 I just don't want to carry all this crap all the time Sep 02 14:56:49 crap = boots + gloves + helmet + coat + knee pads + I don't know what. Sep 02 14:58:18 well, don't waer boots. Live still can be fun with only one foot. But please wear gloves. even falling at 30km/h might cause a loss of both hand's fingers Sep 02 14:59:11 that's probably not anymore fun Sep 02 15:00:47 and OM still needs your fingers ;-D Sep 02 15:01:16 \me agrees!! Sep 02 15:01:28 hoh, how did I fail that :) Sep 02 15:02:05 Guys, can you advice me on an xkcd comic showing how it's cool and fun to be a geek? ;) Sep 02 15:02:55 probably there isn't. XKCD's attitude simply seems different Sep 02 15:02:59 DocScrutinizer: 30km/h? Hmm... Should i also wear motorcycle gloves when i'm just cycling? Nobody does that... Sep 02 15:03:04 DocScrutinizer: i meant in ironic way. Sep 02 15:03:38 hmm, if the freerunner does not turn on, and the person already tried with a charged nokia battery. What else can be done? Sep 02 15:03:44 looks like its bricked Sep 02 15:03:49 DocScrutinizer: well, many professional bicycle riders don't wear a helmet even but i consider that's just stupid. Sep 02 15:03:55 PaulFertser: watch tour de france. everybody wears palm protectors Sep 02 15:04:26 khiraly1: connect to charger & wait Sep 02 15:04:28 DocScrutinizer: are you sure that's protectors, not some usual thin cycling gloves? Sep 02 15:04:35 rhkfin: for what? Sep 02 15:04:56 khiraly1: tried using NOR u-boot? Should be bootable with fresh nokia battery no matter what. Sep 02 15:05:10 PaulFertser: I'll ask Sep 02 15:05:41 khiraly1: for a while, then try to boot. Sep 02 15:05:57 rhkfin: the nokia battery is charged Sep 02 15:05:57 PaulFertser: I'm rather sure they help to avoid street surface grinding off the flesh from your palms Sep 02 15:08:39 DocScrutinizer: not really. I guess they're mostly to remain firm grip on the handles no matter how sweaty hands are. And they also have some padding for comfort. Luckily i haven't falled with those, so can't say for sure but the fabric looks really thin and weak. Sep 02 15:09:04 khiraly1: first of all: make sure you hold the power button long enough. Or try booting to NOR Sep 02 15:09:51 (17.04.56) PaulFertser: khiraly1: tried using NOR u-boot? Should be bootable with fresh nokia battery no matter what. <-- and if it just stays black? Sep 02 15:10:09 sadly the person is on vacation, but will contact me, when he has his freerunner Sep 02 15:10:26 DocScrutinizer: press and hold the aux, and after press and hold the power button Sep 02 15:10:31 until uboot comes up Sep 02 15:10:39 ^^ that is how I do Sep 02 15:10:45 PaulFertser: I've seen those with metal buttons next to hand base all over the palm Sep 02 15:11:12 khiraly1: exactly. then release aux, then power Sep 02 15:11:12 DocScrutinizer: i guess cross-country, downhill and freeride racers use that, not road. Sep 02 15:11:57 PaulFertser: for sure tose who use it know why Sep 02 15:12:12 DocScrutinizer: I dont release the aux, and works fine here Sep 02 15:12:36 just press aux first (and hold while) press power next and hold all the two buttons until uboot comes up Sep 02 15:12:36 khiraly1: well, that depends Sep 02 15:12:47 ^^ that is the way how I do it Sep 02 15:12:49 * rhkfin still doesn't know how to boot from flash with qi.. I've read the instructions and succeeded once but than it's a failfailfail Sep 02 15:12:54 DocScrutinizer: depends on what? Sep 02 15:13:36 dunno, version of NOR uBoot? I seem to remember cases where nothing happens until you release aux. Sep 02 15:13:36 rhkfin: if you read my first time installation tutorial, you should have a working freerunner from nand with qi Sep 02 15:14:10 DocScrutinizer: can it be determined from serial number? or something which can be read without powering the device? Sep 02 15:14:22 khiraly1: might have been boot to nand menu though Sep 02 15:14:34 khiraly1: it works, I'm just not able to boot it with QI, always go for aux+power for nand.. Sep 02 15:14:37 no idea Sep 02 15:15:04 rhkfin: if the sd card contains a valid /boot/GTAxxx.bin file, than it will boot from there Sep 02 15:15:12 no way to select to boot it from nand Sep 02 15:15:19 it is a fallback mechanism Sep 02 15:15:23 nand? for sure not. Qi lives in nand, and it doesn't know aux-menu Sep 02 15:15:51 khiraly1: yes there is, QI can be told to start from flash.. Sep 02 15:15:59 aux first, then power == NOR Sep 02 15:16:00 khiraly1: but it's a pain to do it :) Sep 02 15:16:20 rhkfin: rename the .bin file on sd card (in /boot) dir. And thats it Sep 02 15:17:21 khiraly1: you didn't get it: I want it to boot from flash, not the uSD card. The only way I know how to do it is aux+power (=NOR), not with QI.. Sep 02 15:18:38 ping dos1 Sep 02 15:18:59 yop Sep 02 15:19:09 dos1: i have done and tested the backend Sep 02 15:19:26 dos1: looks like the build failed because of some unrelated reason, well at least we tried ;) Sep 02 15:19:36 it works but some entries a duplicate when I give an Email field Sep 02 15:20:38 rhkfin: I got it. With qi, you should make qi to fail to boot from sd card. And that means rename the uImage-GTA02.bin file in /boot directory Sep 02 15:20:46 also I don't understand why I my backend does not have the same properties than the CSV one (which I copied and paste, modified to have mine) Sep 02 15:21:02 rhkfin: qi does not have a boot menu to choose from what to boot Sep 02 15:21:03 rhkfin: just push AUX button while booting (with Qi), it'll skip partition Sep 02 15:21:10 rhkfin: it does everthing automatically Sep 02 15:21:27 rhkfin: ok I didnt know dos1's trick Sep 02 15:21:38 dos1: I know but it isn't easy :) Sep 02 15:21:42 khiraly1: or if you want to skip some partition everytime, then use noboot-GTA02 (or something like that) file in /boot Sep 02 15:21:48 PaulFertser: hehe, i'll check it;) Sep 02 15:22:01 robinson: send me code Sep 02 15:22:02 khiraly1: one can select the partition with qi -> no need to rename.. (and I want to boot from uSD if I decide to :) Sep 02 15:22:07 robinson: seba dot dos1 Sep 02 15:22:13 rhkfin: at gmail Sep 02 15:22:25 copy and paste in irc or you want a dl somewhere ? Sep 02 15:22:29 robinson: 18:22 < dos1> rhkfin: at gmail Sep 02 15:22:44 I don't know how to transfer files with irc... i am newbie with irc Sep 02 15:23:06 rhkfin: oh, sorry Sep 02 15:23:11 do anybody know what makes uboot slower then qi while suspend/resume? Sep 02 15:23:18 dos1: np :) Sep 02 15:23:20 what does that mean 18:22 ? my clock is not correctly set ? Sep 02 15:23:28 robinson: time zone? Sep 02 15:23:33 paris Sep 02 15:23:48 finland here :) Sep 02 15:24:05 robinson: send me mail Sep 02 15:24:08 what wheather do you have ? Sep 02 15:24:08 robinson: seba.dos1 Sep 02 15:24:11 robinson: at gmail Sep 02 15:24:16 oki i do that Sep 02 15:24:43 khiraly1: probably there is no difference Sep 02 15:24:45 khiraly1: I bet it's kernel loglevel stuff. iirc qi is changing its default value. PaulFertser should have more accurate details I think Sep 02 15:25:02 (except default boot cmd passed to kernel) Sep 02 15:25:34 (17.11.12) DocScrutinizer: khiraly1: exactly. then release aux, then power <-- ok I misread. Now I see Sep 02 15:25:56 rtp: yes, quite possibly so. Probably u-boot touches some glamo registers for whatever reason on resume too, no idea. Sep 02 15:28:10 PaulFertser: even if it's touching to the glamo, it should be quick compared to the time it takes to write a bunch of things to the frame buffer :) Sep 02 15:28:30 dos1: I sent you the mail Sep 02 15:33:51 have you received it ? Sep 02 15:34:00 could you install the ipks ? Sep 02 15:34:30 That it is. Unfortunately, hidden widgets in elementary still occupy Sep 02 15:34:30 space. Sep 02 15:34:34 hmm Sep 02 15:34:42 dos1: could you confirm it? Sep 02 15:34:53 khiraly1: that's normal Sep 02 15:35:04 normal? Sep 02 15:35:15 khiraly1: delete object if you don't want it to occupy space Sep 02 15:35:27 If a widget is hidden, than why should occupy space? Sep 02 15:35:36 I think we should play with layers Sep 02 15:35:42 khiraly1: for layouting reasons? Sep 02 15:35:59 khiraly1: obj.delete() and it doesn't occupy space Sep 02 15:36:07