**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 04 02:59:57 2009 Sep 04 04:40:32 bum Sep 04 04:43:15 bum bum Sep 04 04:44:08 cheeky! Sep 04 05:55:14 hi all! Sep 04 05:55:22 how can i use opimd on shr? Sep 04 05:58:29 should i use libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-0? Sep 04 06:00:17 alexxy: there's no ready-to-use end-user applications except opimd-utils Sep 04 06:00:22 ~opimd-utils Sep 04 06:00:22 i guess opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. Sep 04 06:00:52 libfameword-phonegui-efl-2 is crap it will crash on every click Sep 04 06:01:09 Heinervdm: otoh it's the future of shr ;) Sep 04 06:01:36 PaulFertser: no, it's planed to write something completely new Sep 04 06:05:24 "without any warranty" - like some other app would have a warranty :) Sep 04 06:07:07 he he =) Sep 04 06:07:22 most opensource apps doens have any warrantys Sep 04 06:08:03 well with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-0 contacts app can read my caotacts imported with opimd Sep 04 06:11:21 also should dialler show contact name when calling (incoming or outgoing call)? Sep 04 06:14:27 Is someone able to tell why loading SMS's and contacts is that slow? is it because of SIM? Sep 04 06:15:12 how can i add contacts with opimd-cli? Sep 04 06:15:42 --help? Sep 04 06:16:45 rhkfin: if you load them from SIM, yes. BTW, even with a dumb phone you should wait for about 30 seconds before you can read them from sim. Sep 04 06:17:04 PaulFertser: ok, right.. Sep 04 06:17:16 (the phone is dumb to me if I have to wait 30s :) Sep 04 06:18:26 rhkfin: there're other opimd-aware apps out there, e.g. litephone and c_c's launcher. Sep 04 06:19:37 PaulFertser: ok Sep 04 06:38:23 anybody know the dais signature for a key value array Sep 04 06:38:32 dbus Sep 04 06:38:59 and how to send one with dbus-send Sep 04 06:39:37 I think it's a{ss} Sep 04 06:41:00 ah dIct Sep 04 06:45:18 tmzt: thats an array of string:string touple Sep 04 06:46:43 hmm Sep 04 06:46:48 seems i have an issue Sep 04 06:47:09 i cannot hear anything on incoming call with shr-unstable Sep 04 06:49:50 Heinervdm: well my method isn't even getting registers by python Sep 04 06:50:00 registered Sep 04 06:50:18 and I don't know how tho debug that Sep 04 06:51:36 tmzt: hmm, how does your code look like? Sep 04 06:54:01 I have an object subclassing dbus.device.Object Sep 04 06:54:41 with method decorators Sep 04 06:58:16 service Sep 04 06:58:26 not device Sep 04 10:13:54 has anyone ever modified their fr to use inductive charging? Sep 04 10:26:12 nooo Sep 04 10:26:42 but feel free to upload picture footage Sep 04 10:27:01 heh, i'd have to modify it first :D Sep 04 10:27:26 have fun ;-) Sep 04 10:28:16 you even have an unused adapter path for charging in PMU Sep 04 10:28:29 hmm Sep 04 10:33:27 farhaven: need a spare housing to "ruin"? Sep 04 10:38:30 freesmartphone.org: betheg framework * rfb001f3ce766 /framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Sep 04 10:38:30 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: substitute empty provider string with information from network.tab. Fixes FSO #466 Sep 04 10:38:30 freesmartphone.org: Some providers are too new for the modem, hence we get something like: Sep 04 10:38:30 freesmartphone.org: +COPS: (2," "," ","26201"),(1,"o2 - de","o2 - de","26207"),(1,"E-Plus","E-Plus","26203"),(1,"Vodafone.de","Vodafone","26202") Sep 04 10:38:34 freesmartphone.org: This fixes it by checking our (hopefully more current) provider database. Sep 04 10:39:41 farhaven: inductive charging would be a very interesting thing Sep 04 10:40:57 maybe for first experiments you can just put the current generated by induction (after it has been regulated) into the 5v usb input Sep 04 10:41:07 but a hell for moding the mechanics Sep 04 10:42:19 all the antennas are in bad positions for that Sep 04 10:42:55 I would suggest exploiting lanyard hole and bow, but this would severely interfere with gsm ant function Sep 04 10:46:38 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i figured that much Sep 04 10:46:54 also, i had problems with interferences on the uSD card data lanes before Sep 04 10:47:16 farhaven: that sound's like a great HW mod, we're interested to see the results.. Sep 04 10:47:20 and i certainly don't want my card erased by a HF magnetic field inducing power in all metal stuff Sep 04 10:48:25 rhkfin: yeah, it'd just be "drop the phone onto that black plastic thingie" Sep 04 10:48:49 instead of "take the mini-usb cable and plug it into the port, and remember to unplug it before taking the phone with you" Sep 04 10:49:21 maybe huge white silly opens a path Sep 04 10:53:44 * DocScrutinizer imagines a rather flat half of a ferrite choke clam inside white silly Sep 04 10:56:27 anybody here knowing the Nokia BH-905 headset? Sep 04 10:56:56 After upgrading yesterday SHR-u will not suspend Sep 04 10:59:06 :x Sep 04 11:01:04 no, now it actually did, automatically.. Sep 04 11:01:17 but if I tell it to suspend it'll wake up immediately.. Sep 04 11:02:10 rhkfin: gprs? Sep 04 11:02:20 hmm.. no, seems to work again. I'm sure it didn't a while ago.. (restarting helped, before the restart I had gps running) Sep 04 11:02:39 had it on but I turned it (and gps) off before trying to suspend Sep 04 11:03:46 duh! you turned gprs off and frameworkd survived?? Sep 04 11:04:04 I think :) Sep 04 11:04:14 or how'd I know that.. Sep 04 11:04:41 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i also tried that the day before yesterday and it worked surprisingly well Sep 04 11:04:51 hehe, e.g. by settings freezing on opening the connectivity screen Sep 04 11:04:54 that is, frameworkd survived, phone calls still worked and the phone properly suspended Sep 04 11:05:02 DocScrutinizer: no, it actually seems to work :) Sep 04 11:05:41 straaaange, wonder how I managed to bork everything 3 consecutive times then Sep 04 11:05:58 ok, no update since 5 (or such) days Sep 04 11:06:24 that might be the thing Sep 04 11:06:35 because i update daily and a few days ago it borked everything Sep 04 11:06:38 but I didn't realize any patch that claimed to fix it Sep 04 11:06:55 I also upgrade daily Sep 04 11:07:00 hi Sep 04 11:07:12 DocScrutinizer: neither did I - but OTOH I don't follow what patches go in :) Sep 04 11:07:41 * DocScrutinizer does - somehow Sep 04 11:07:48 : Sep 04 11:08:08 I'm looking for the FSO lib that contain the AT commands, I can't find them in libgsm0710, I thought it was in there. someone know where they are ?? Sep 04 11:08:20 always scrutinizing CIA-5x Sep 04 11:12:34 Deubeuliou: ogsmd Sep 04 11:28:55 hi Sep 04 11:31:40 hi all! Sep 04 11:32:01 why not add Surname field to opimd-utils-contacts by default? Sep 04 11:36:07 alexxy: only dos1 know the answer ;) Sep 04 11:37:22 maybe it just shouldn't matter. Sep 04 11:37:56 btw folks are you experimenting, that shr fails to wake up sometime? Sep 04 11:38:11 It happened to me already three times, and I have shr only two days... Sep 04 11:38:16 how? Sep 04 11:38:19 soltys: ok =) Sep 04 11:38:19 mostly it happens on incoming call Sep 04 11:38:30 DocScrutinizer: I push the power button and nothing happens Sep 04 11:38:36 I need to remove the battery Sep 04 11:39:46 hmm, this doesn't exactly sound like shr problem Sep 04 11:40:58 I seem to remeber seeing this some months ago. But not recently Sep 04 11:42:06 didnt happen under om2009 Sep 04 11:43:08 khiraly1: waking from suspend isn't exactly a rootfs domain Sep 04 11:43:25 dunno why it happens under shr Sep 04 11:43:58 PaulFertser: thanks Sep 04 11:44:04 dunno why it happens in September ;-) Sep 04 11:44:31 hmm, maybe shr does not like september. Ok revisit the problem in october;) Sep 04 11:44:45 DocScrutinizer: btw the power button is custom part:, Sep 04 11:44:56 huh? Sep 04 11:45:01 mine seriously began to wear. I need to push it wiht my nails Sep 04 11:45:19 is the power button a custom part? Or can I replace somehow? Sep 04 11:45:57 you can buy spare at digikey, and resolder Sep 04 11:46:21 super Sep 04 11:46:31 I thought it is a custom part Sep 04 11:46:37 check schematics. the part name is printed under the switch Sep 04 11:46:48 I need to buy a replacement for the mini-usb socket too Sep 04 11:46:59 ouch Sep 04 11:47:00 it began to wear out too Sep 04 11:47:25 lemme check. dunno if partname is there for usb Sep 04 11:47:41 DocScrutinizer: I bought a new freerunner, and all the two (power button, and usb socket) are really more solid and the button is higher then on mine Sep 04 11:48:11 mine the power button is lower about 0.5mm, and not horizontal at all... Sep 04 11:48:28 the miniusb looks a simple smd miniusb part Sep 04 11:48:34 I can buy it for 0.3 EUR Sep 04 11:48:48 what I expected rc0 schem still missing part numbers for all jacks Sep 04 11:49:33 khiraly1: check bom, you'll easily find the part number there Sep 04 11:49:58 ok. I was only interested if there is a wayout when it will not work at all Sep 04 11:50:43 btw DocScrutinizer, could you help me (ie proofread) my alsa state understandings? Sep 04 11:51:12 I want to port elmixer into paroli. To finetune the voice quality while talking Sep 04 11:52:00 khiraly1: the ME/ID for switches is really poor. You don't have any support taking away excessive force from the switch itself. So don't apply force of more than ~200g when pushing any of the buttons Sep 04 11:52:29 ME/ID ? what is it? Sep 04 11:52:38 khiraly1: I might do Sep 04 11:53:17 mechanical engineering / industrial design (that's what I've been tought) Sep 04 11:53:36 ID == the case, basically Sep 04 11:54:14 ok. Just when the phone does not wake up, and the button have almost no feedback, you begin automatically pushing more and more Sep 04 11:54:52 maybe the button is simply broken and that's why resume doesn't work? Sep 04 11:56:15 DocScrutinizer, dunno. But pushing with nails works always. And when it does not wake up, I push at least 5-10 times with nail, with finger more and less force Sep 04 11:56:18 so dont think so Sep 04 11:56:46 just this power button so tiny, and it has nothing in common with an average phone's button Sep 04 11:57:31 all that sounding more like "button fubar" rather than "don't think so" Sep 04 11:57:42 ;)) Sep 04 11:57:54 ok, then I cant rule out button failure. Sep 04 11:58:57 khiraly1: aux and power have same switch Sep 04 11:59:04 compare Sep 04 12:00:18 I have no problem with aux Sep 04 12:00:27 its big, and nice to push Sep 04 12:00:30 ;) Sep 04 12:01:07 ok, I will buy spare switches, and when needed resolder it Sep 04 12:01:08 first thing that usually happens on applying excessive force is switch loses it's click, and becoming unreliable Sep 04 12:01:30 yours even seems to be partially torn off the pcb Sep 04 12:01:54 no, it is not *that* serious. I think Sep 04 12:02:06 you should fix soon, before it falls off completely and takes parts of pcb with it Sep 04 12:02:15 just under om2009 it was always reliable. Pushing it suspended the device pushing it again woke it up Sep 04 12:02:28 and I used extensible, like 30-40 times/day Sep 04 12:02:48 under shr, it brings up the stupid enlightenment menu, so i will use it more rarely Sep 04 12:03:09 hmm Sep 04 12:03:34 ... and takes parts of pcb with it <-- ouch Sep 04 12:03:56 sure Sep 04 12:04:00 ok, I want to buy some smd station to be able to apply bass fix and 1024 fix Sep 04 12:04:18 and then I will exchange the power button too Sep 04 12:05:06 just dunno what to buy, Im completely noob. I have normal soldering station (I made it), it is temperature controlled, and weller imitation (just the spare parts: ie. the tip is third the price of the weller) Sep 04 12:05:24 khiraly1: something with small enought tip and enough power Sep 04 12:07:14 I can solder with it smd parts nicely. But removing smd was always a headache for me. Especially when I soldered it with normal solder.... Sep 04 12:07:19 khiraly1: what's special about smd station? Sep 04 12:07:38 PaulFertser: its a reflow station, it apply hot air to all legs at the same time Sep 04 12:07:52 I think so at least. But never used it Sep 04 12:07:54 khiraly1: you mean you want to buy a reflow station? Sep 04 12:08:11 and soldering paste should be different from normal solder. The temp differs at least Sep 04 12:08:15 PaulFertser: yepp Sep 04 12:08:22 its about 2-300EUR Sep 04 12:09:16 khiraly1: you can use just ordinary lead-free solder instead of SMT paste i guess. Sep 04 12:09:35 PaulFertser: yepp, but if you do so, its a pain to remove the part Sep 04 12:09:48 and as it seems this power buttons needs to be changed every half year Sep 04 12:09:52 khiraly1: and yes, removing parts is difficult without hot air. Sep 04 12:10:23 with hot air even, its really difficult to remove normal solder (I think at least) Sep 04 12:10:31 but never tried it Sep 04 12:10:58 I soldered many normal smd parts (what can you see at least;) So 4-5 times bigger what freerunner has), but could not remove them Sep 04 12:10:59 khiraly1: it's not any different i guess. Ask DocScrutinizer Sep 04 12:11:18 I think smd paste is melt at 180C while normal solder melt about 240C Sep 04 12:11:24 but it is just a plain guess Sep 04 12:11:33 khiraly1: i plan to just custom made (out of copper wire) a special flat-screwdriver-like tip to remove 0402 parts. Sep 04 12:11:52 heh Sep 04 12:12:01 with hot air I guess its easy to remove Sep 04 12:12:20 but Im completely noob at smd. Especially at this small parts Sep 04 12:12:22 khiraly1: in case you're really careful not to mess other parts. Sep 04 12:12:30 removing 0402 is a snap with soldering tweezers Sep 04 12:12:36 dunno what professionals do Sep 04 12:12:41 snap? Sep 04 12:13:22 it's too easy Sep 04 12:13:34 takes me 5sec Sep 04 12:13:36 But i don't have those :-/ Sep 04 12:14:03 soldering tweezers? Hmm, never know about it. I can exchange normal tip to a sweezer? Sep 04 12:14:10 or is it a special device? Sep 04 12:14:20 like the hot air reflow station Sep 04 12:14:38 google for it! smt soldering tweezers Sep 04 12:15:04 or smd Sep 04 12:15:53 http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-8230 Sep 04 12:15:57 ^^ its like this? Sep 04 12:16:08 so it is like a soldering iron, but totally independent device Sep 04 12:16:48 yes Sep 04 12:17:25 DocScrutinizer: and hot air reflow station is used to exactly what? Sep 04 12:17:51 and how to remove devices, which has 16-32 legs? Sep 04 12:18:03 like a microprocessor... Sep 04 12:18:06 with hot air Sep 04 12:18:18 or special tip Sep 04 12:18:46 khiraly1: or by cutting all legs with a sharp knife and desoldering remnants like usual. Sep 04 12:19:21 PaulFertser: Im interested in professional way. ie when you do 20-30/day... Sep 04 12:19:52 then use the method PaulFertser suggested ;-) Sep 04 12:20:11 and what is better for simple parts (resistor, capacitor) a soldering tweezer or a hot air reflow station? Sep 04 12:20:21 tweezers Sep 04 12:20:22 khiraly1: tweezer, i guess Sep 04 12:20:45 is there a risk to desoldering other adjacent parts too by mistake with hot air? Sep 04 12:20:57 exactly Sep 04 12:21:03 you cant really focus onto the part, the air flows to other parts too Sep 04 12:21:06 khiraly1: sure, especially if you move the board accidentally Sep 04 12:21:08 not only that Sep 04 12:21:21 you can also pull it off when not everything is loose Sep 04 12:21:36 andi: btw, did you find illume keyboard source code? I have many feature request to the keyboard;-) Sep 04 12:21:41 and you pull some pads up ut Sep 04 12:21:47 hmm Sep 04 12:21:56 andi: its not like turn and lift method? Sep 04 12:22:36 so you turn with almost no force the part, and only lift after (when the legs are not soldered to pads anymore) Sep 04 12:22:56 khiraly1: with hot air you need *minimum* airflow. otherwise you heat environment and even blow away parts you wanted to solder Sep 04 12:23:48 you mean I need a ventilator pointed to the pcb to blow away the hot air? Sep 04 12:24:08 khiraly1: but with minimum airflow you hardly reach the temp to melt solder Sep 04 12:24:17 khiraly1: at the place i work professionals use the hot air gun for "construction workers" or the like. Sep 04 12:26:16 PaulFertiser: I have tried to desolder parts with hot air and I was not better than with the turn and lift method Sep 04 12:26:25 khiraly1: and you want to adjust air temp exactly to the degree celsius needed to accomplish task. a few degrees more nad components will break Sep 04 12:27:01 DocScrutinizer: but solder tweezlers are unsuited to parts with more than two legs, no? Sep 04 12:27:10 so transistors, processors, connectors, etc Sep 04 12:27:12 yes Sep 04 12:27:30 except if they are dual-in-line Sep 04 12:27:55 like most transistors and small chips are Sep 04 12:28:40 khiraly1: never searched illume-keyboards source code Sep 04 12:29:12 andi: i thought it was you. Somebody asked it on this channel few days ago Sep 04 12:29:20 khiraly1: it's in the E svn, where else can it be Sep 04 12:29:29 PaulFertser: hard to find it anyway Sep 04 12:29:38 e's svn is like 1.5GB of text files Sep 04 12:30:27 khiraly1: it has illume directory and all... Structured enough. Sep 04 12:30:37 you soldering guys: what's your favourite way to solder qfn and lga parts except putting it into a reflow oven Sep 04 12:31:43 PaulFertser: for me, the difficulty was, that why the hell are a keyboard inside the illume dir (when illume means the top bar;) Sep 04 12:32:02 khiraly1: haha Sep 04 12:32:43 andi: I ask some younger colleague ;-) Sep 04 12:32:49 but returning to desoldering: My ultimate help is desoldering litze Sep 04 12:32:57 although not cheap at all, but I use it all the time Sep 04 12:33:02 andi: too old for that kinda shit Sep 04 12:33:06 http://www.hqelektronik.hu/info/hu/chem-wik_ab.html Sep 04 12:33:07 ^^ Sep 04 12:33:53 andi: I hate parts which can be seen by plain eyes Sep 04 12:34:19 if it fell off of your working table, you cant find it Sep 04 12:34:22 really Sep 04 12:35:04 yes I know why my 0805, 0603 parts are disappearing Sep 04 12:35:07 khiraly1: 0402 vanish *on surface* of your clean workbench. no need to drop down Sep 04 12:35:26 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i know:( Sep 04 12:36:27 0402 is smaller than an ant Sep 04 12:37:18 for desoldering there are also things which look like soldering irons but with a hole in the middle to vacuum the solder Sep 04 12:37:32 and 0402 parts of course ;-) Sep 04 12:37:41 khiraly1: haha, we order some small thermosensors and for whatever reason (probably to check PN) the woman who is responsible for storing parts opened the package. My coworker didn't notice that and lost all 3 while going upstairs. He still was able to find one of those later after really careful stairs inspection. :) Sep 04 12:38:09 andi: hm, that's an idea, i have one of those Sep 04 12:38:52 andi: nice tip Sep 04 12:39:17 I use a gaz soldering iron mostly. Its lots faster then my temperature controlled soldering iron Sep 04 12:39:30 heyho Sep 04 12:40:24 but dont have this kind of nuissance like desoldering pump (not manual) Sep 04 12:41:12 people doesn't hear me when I call with the phone.... Sep 04 12:41:31 that's a BIG bug! Sep 04 12:41:33 I dont like desoldering pump, because it sniffs off the pads too Sep 04 12:41:50 Sharwin_F: run elmixer.py and finetune the voice settings Sep 04 12:42:26 khiraly1: with manual pumps I have the problem also Sep 04 12:42:37 khiraly1, hmm always have worked, and when I say they don't hear me, I mean they don't hear anything at all Sep 04 12:43:22 Sharwin_F: then restore the old state file. handset.state or whatever called Sep 04 12:43:47 khiraly1, restore from where? Sep 04 12:44:11 from trac? Sep 04 12:44:23 khiraly1, it's a known problem? Sep 04 12:44:57 Freerunner had always audio problem. It needs to be finetune each of them. And finally you get a beautiful quality Sep 04 12:45:35 khiraly1, but I've been using the default one and worked well always Sep 04 12:45:45 khiraly1, has there been a change recently? Sep 04 12:46:30 Sharwin_F: dunno. I had shitty voice experience on my freshly installed shr. Then I overwritten the handset.state file from om2009, and was the same then before Sep 04 12:46:46 finally I launched elmixer.py, and finetuned it, and now I have really good voice quality Sep 04 12:46:51 nobody complain to me Sep 04 12:47:38 khiraly1, it looks more something borked to me, as always worked well and now they don't hear ANYTHING Sep 04 12:48:18 Sharwin_F: its one .state file correctly placed. Thats the trick;) Sep 04 12:48:52 khiraly1: you have the buzzfix? Sep 04 12:49:02 morphis: yepp Sep 04 12:49:07 ah ok Sep 04 12:49:31 morphis: I didnt bought freerunner while there were no available buzzfixed phone on the market Sep 04 12:49:31 ;) Sep 04 12:50:07 I was waiting for it from last september;) And bought my freerunner this april Sep 04 12:50:08 ;) Sep 04 12:50:10 morphis, buzzfix free Sep 04 12:50:43 but I've tried to call with another mobile and try, and I just hear buzz now Sep 04 12:50:45 Sharwin_F: ok, buzzfix is a musthave Sep 04 12:50:45 -.- Sep 04 12:50:50 morphis: hey, how's your m800 hacking going? Sep 04 12:51:58 btw how you are calling in english when after an english lesson you except the vocabularity which you dont know, and you learn these words only Sep 04 12:52:10 is it a keyword list?;) Or how the hell is called;) Sep 04 12:52:30 khiraly1, I'll try resintalling shr state files, as they have worked ok Sep 04 12:52:41 do you know which package is it? Sep 04 12:53:28 morphis: yeah. can this piece of crap (M800) be put to real purpose? Sep 04 12:53:55 DocScrutinizer: it depends :) Sep 04 12:54:05 DocScrutinizer: we need to get access to the modem first Sep 04 12:54:23 still the same. i c Sep 04 12:54:24 then it should be really possible to run the whole phone with our famous os Sep 04 12:54:30 yepp Sep 04 12:54:35 alsa-scenarii-shr - 1.0+gitr186+fd61a50e505ad3953e5523ba01fdc6483b1f891b-r1 - /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state Sep 04 12:54:47 ^^sharwin, and answer to my dumb english question;) Sep 04 12:54:51 morphis: what's the problem with the modem? I thought that it's almost reversed enough by now? Sep 04 12:54:52 currently I have a phone with attached debug board here, but currently not enough time to work on it Sep 04 12:55:18 btw is there someone who uses headset with openmoko? Sep 04 12:55:18 PaulFertser: reversed we have a lot, but actually it doesn't speak to us Sep 04 12:55:26 alexxy: me Sep 04 12:55:31 PaulFertser: not over SPI, and not over serial Sep 04 12:55:41 morphis: :( Sep 04 12:55:45 alexxy: but I really want a bass fix since then;) Sep 04 12:55:48 did it work for you as *haedset*? Sep 04 12:55:57 alexxy: when calling? Sep 04 12:56:00 yep Sep 04 12:56:10 nope, I use it for music listening with inton Sep 04 12:56:11 e Sep 04 12:56:18 PaulFertser: Our current guess is, that the odd winmobil is the cause why we don't get in contact with the phone Sep 04 12:56:24 for music it works Sep 04 12:56:37 but it doesnt work as headset =) Sep 04 12:56:40 khiraly1, I don't understand the question xD Sep 04 12:56:40 alexxy: I dont think phone applications support different statefiles. I think they default back to gsmhandset.state file Sep 04 12:56:50 PaulFertser: so I am currently working on booting linux or another small programm through u-boot over jtag to try to talk to them modem Sep 04 12:56:54 khiraly1, please, rephrase :P Sep 04 12:57:00 ;) Sep 04 12:57:07 PaulFertser: I hope it works one day ... Sep 04 12:57:09 morphis: oh, i see. Sep 04 12:57:13 morphis: great Sep 04 12:57:52 morphis: and too sad so much time and effort are spent on something that could be done in one day if those assholes shared information :( Sep 04 12:57:58 I set me the date of the end of this year, when I don't have any visible result until this, I will give up Sep 04 12:58:07 PaulFertser: jepp Sep 04 12:58:35 PaulFertser: but I actually don't know if anyone has asked them about getting some little pack of informations about the communication with the modem Sep 04 12:58:39 morphis: you also encountered unsolicited device shutdown on sliding kbd in and out? Sep 04 12:58:51 Sharwin_F: nevermind, vocabulary words the answer I think Sep 04 12:59:09 DocScrutinizer: no, never looked at it until now Sep 04 12:59:15 Sharwin_F: If you want I can put online two .state file. (one from shr, and the other which works for me) Sep 04 12:59:27 khiraly1: seems ticket #377 Sep 04 12:59:39 alexxy: full url please Sep 04 12:59:42 about headset Sep 04 12:59:42 in shr's trac?M Sep 04 12:59:47 yep Sep 04 13:00:00 khiraly1, wait, I'm upgrading repos first and then I'll reinstall alsa-scenarii-shr-package :) Sep 04 13:00:53 morphis: it's a sarcastic joke you cna't power down device by powerbutton, but it shuts down on slightly sliding out and in the kbd :-( Sep 04 13:01:27 DocScrutinizer: is it really powered down or just a hard shutdown? Sep 04 13:01:40 hard shutdown Sep 04 13:01:44 hm ok Sep 04 13:01:53 like a broken contact or sth Sep 04 13:02:32 another part for which we have to look at winmobile to reverse engineer how it is done Sep 04 13:02:40 morphis: occasionally I also encountered BSOD Sep 04 13:02:40 ... Sep 04 13:02:50 BlackSOD Sep 04 13:03:00 :) Sep 04 13:03:06 morphis: why the hell put effort to an obsolated device? RE the palm pre, or iphone;) Sep 04 13:03:21 hehe, good point Sep 04 13:03:23 or nokia n900 Sep 04 13:03:26 khiraly1: jepp, I am planning to get a palm pre, but not before the end of this year Sep 04 13:03:38 even better point -- yeah Sep 04 13:03:54 get a N900! Sep 04 13:04:01 but it depends how much the costs when they are available Sep 04 13:04:06 DocScrutinizer: why a N900? Sep 04 13:04:24 khiraly1: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/339 also intresting Sep 04 13:04:26 lol, because that's what I'll get next Sep 04 13:04:34 DocScrutinizer: hehe Sep 04 13:04:46 DocScrutinizer: but 600 Euro are a lot of money Sep 04 13:04:55 yep Sep 04 13:04:58 and I am a poor student ... :) Sep 04 13:05:06 600 EUR just unacceptable Sep 04 13:05:13 hope to get a lot of phone for it ;-) Sep 04 13:05:26 DocScrutinizer: it seems so :) Sep 04 13:05:37 it fits nicely into my new Hummer. Just does not fix into a opel corsa;-)) Sep 04 13:06:12 khiraly1: a new Hummer? Sep 04 13:06:19 khiraly1: you have to much money? Sep 04 13:06:23 s/into a/into my current/ Sep 04 13:06:23 khiraly1 meant: it fits nicely into my new Hummer. Just does not fix into my current opel corsa;-)) Sep 04 13:06:26 :) Sep 04 13:06:52 morphis: nope, dont have any car;). Just wanna put in perspective this bourgeois N900 device Sep 04 13:06:53 ;) Sep 04 13:07:06 :D Sep 04 13:07:10 get rid of that corsa. needs a wash... not worth it Sep 04 13:07:26 DocScrutinizer: which processor does the N900 has? Sep 04 13:07:31 the same as the palm pre? Sep 04 13:07:40 omap 3240 Sep 04 13:07:50 ok,the same as the plam pre Sep 04 13:07:56 s/plam/palm/ Sep 04 13:07:56 morphis meant: ok,the same as the palm pre Sep 04 13:08:01 I want this new sexy samsung JET, what raster linked yesterday Sep 04 13:08:08 http://jet.samsungmobile.com/ Sep 04 13:08:42 khiraly1: just another phone from samsung wit winmobile? Sep 04 13:08:59 i want a phone with nvidia tegra chipset Sep 04 13:09:01 morphis: dunno. Raster said he is *IMPRESSED* by its speed Sep 04 13:09:25 eeeeew winmoob phone Sep 04 13:09:41 no, no more winmobile phone! Sep 04 13:09:42 not yet another one in my rooms... PLEASE Sep 04 13:10:27 it could be the best phone on earth, but with winmobile and without lowlevel technical documentation I never want to buy such a phone again! Sep 04 13:11:30 I actually tore one into pieces literally, due to winmoob Sep 04 13:11:38 moto Q9 Sep 04 13:11:42 RIP Sep 04 13:11:48 but in the end, until it is not fully REd, I do not consider to migrating from my Freerunner;) Sep 04 13:11:53 hmm Sep 04 13:11:59 network outage Sep 04 13:12:03 -history Sep 04 13:12:33 ~history Sep 04 13:12:34 ? Sep 04 13:12:50 ~logs Sep 04 13:12:50 it has been said that logs is at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt Sep 04 13:12:55 maybe? Sep 04 13:13:33 or /bip backlog 1 ;-P ? Sep 04 13:14:06 well actually bip's outages are higher than mine Sep 04 13:14:31 or the outages of the moscow server where it lives Sep 04 13:14:55 that's why there's DocScrutinizer and DocScrutinizer2 Sep 04 13:15:08 hm, but in the end the price will take the decision for me if I buy a palm pre or N900 Sep 04 13:15:13 Sep 04 13:10:27 it could be the best phone on earth, but with winmobile and without lowlevel technical documentation I never want to buy such a phone again! Sep 04 13:15:27 ^^ i dont want on it anything but only shr Sep 04 13:15:37 so if no enlightenment are available on it, im not interested Sep 04 13:15:41 so serious RE is required Sep 04 13:15:42 ;) Sep 04 13:15:48 khiraly1: shr on palm pre should be very easy I think Sep 04 13:15:53 morphis: nah, pre has palm OS ;-/ Sep 04 13:15:55 it has lvm on its nan Sep 04 13:15:56 d Sep 04 13:15:56 just put an effort into a sexy phone not something noname like m800 Sep 04 13:16:15 morphis: gsm will be propriatery Sep 04 13:16:16 I bet Sep 04 13:16:33 so you can devide the 8G into four for WebOS and four for shr :) Sep 04 13:16:40 khiraly1: I think the same Sep 04 13:16:57 without gsm, it is just a game Sep 04 13:16:59 nothing more Sep 04 13:17:10 but I don't think we will get a fully open phone in the near feature Sep 04 13:17:13 khiraly1: not really Sep 04 13:17:36 khiraly1: the kernel code is released so we know how they talks to the modem Sep 04 13:17:56 khiraly1: and currently we don't need any more to use it as a phone what it actually is :) Sep 04 13:18:40 morphis: I give a shit (almost) about full-open as long as the api is straight and comprehensive (i.e. ril or whatever exposes a AT tty) Sep 04 13:19:04 DocScrutinizer: jepp Sep 04 13:19:19 íOnce I wanted to RE skype protocol, to be able to write a client for it. But I gave up, as nobody on the earth tried it before me, and there where noone to share my ideas and collaborate Sep 04 13:19:43 :) Sep 04 13:19:51 and it didnt developed much since then Sep 04 13:19:58 khiraly1: bzzz, false Sep 04 13:20:03 there where only one paper at blackhat conference few years back Sep 04 13:20:11 see blackhat papers on skype Sep 04 13:20:22 it's "fully dissected" Sep 04 13:20:42 yep, exactly Sep 04 13:20:55 they was only using it to injecting some packet into the network, and hijacking it. (ie. they set up a skype like network) Sep 04 13:21:04 but they couldnt make a call to a regular skype client Sep 04 13:21:08 and thats the goal Sep 04 13:21:15 and these papers explain why it's almost impossible to write a new client for it Sep 04 13:21:33 nothing is impossible Sep 04 13:21:35 just noone cares Sep 04 13:22:08 khiraly1: you need to crack the cryptokeys of skype to mimic a client Sep 04 13:22:14 aiui Sep 04 13:22:28 DocScrutinizer its not *that* hard Sep 04 13:22:31 that's the invincible problem Sep 04 13:22:56 khiraly11: much better to just do your own protocol Sep 04 13:23:08 otherwise you can play "skype" but won't register to their servers Sep 04 13:23:17 so I am out, byebye! Sep 04 13:23:18 all my peers are on skype Sep 04 13:23:19 \quit Sep 04 13:23:24 and I could make regular phone call too Sep 04 13:23:28 lindi-: why not use SIP? ;-P Sep 04 13:23:46 bye mor... Sep 04 13:23:52 sip is crap Sep 04 13:23:53 really Sep 04 13:23:55 DocScrutinizer: it's complex, most clients only implement small part of it and don't document which one, it doesn't work with nats and firewalls well enough Sep 04 13:24:11 DocScrutinizer: it's often unencrypted Sep 04 13:24:12 it simply does not work. Stupid protocol as is Sep 04 13:24:12 lol Sep 04 13:24:16 DocScrutinizer: sip is good Sep 04 13:24:17 and unencrypted Sep 04 13:24:21 DocScrutinizer: but not for this Sep 04 13:24:30 crappy. Unusable behind nat Sep 04 13:24:32 khiraly1: bzzz, false. again Sep 04 13:24:52 you need to care who to set up your nat to be callable Sep 04 13:24:53 with skype there is no such problem Sep 04 13:25:02 s/who/how/ Sep 04 13:25:04 there's SIPS, and there's zrtp Sep 04 13:25:59 khiraly1: are you the "troll" that recently uttered same rant on twinkle newsgroup? Sep 04 13:26:08 dont use twinkle Sep 04 13:26:13 khiraly11: own simpler protocol is probably the key to making it something that could compete with skype Sep 04 13:26:43 khiraly1: please understand how SIP and skype are working, and what a NAT actually is. Then come again Sep 04 13:26:58 about cracking skype key: gijohn.info <-- something similar could be doing Sep 04 13:27:24 DocScrutinizer: understanding SIP is going to take a while :) Sep 04 13:27:46 khiraly1: nah, stop that. first learn a little about server hosted nat travesal, STUN and its successors, and about uPNP Sep 04 13:27:52 DocScrutinizer I have read sip protocol few years back, and still crap Sep 04 13:28:06 DocScrutinizer: yepp, you need a third (independent) server Sep 04 13:28:08 ipv6 would solve the devil nat problems Sep 04 13:28:16 andi: no it won't :( Sep 04 13:28:19 but skype use punch hole technic too Sep 04 13:28:23 andi: nats will still exist Sep 04 13:28:42 khiraly1: please read STUN Sep 04 13:29:18 khiraly1: please read uPNP Sep 04 13:29:43 khiraly1: please read specs on twinklephone.com Sep 04 13:29:53 lindi-: I do not see a reason for nat then Sep 04 13:30:29 andi: privacy Sep 04 13:30:39 you might have some firewall rules which prohibit packet forwarding in some way Sep 04 13:30:52 if we shut down IPv4 then NAT will vanish for sure Sep 04 13:30:58 andi: companies do not want outside parties to see who inside their company checking out openmoko source code :) Sep 04 13:31:12 there are measures for that Sep 04 13:31:16 random adresses Sep 04 13:31:31 adresses with random parts Sep 04 13:31:38 I do not remember the rfc for that Sep 04 13:32:21 lol, hard to remeber all IPv6 RFC numbers by heart Sep 04 13:32:26 andi: isn't that NAT? Sep 04 13:32:45 no Sep 04 13:33:18 DocScrutinizer: upnp must be supported by the router Sep 04 13:33:38 btw NAT is *not* an onion router ;-) Sep 04 13:33:44 stun is rather complicated (and easily filtered as they tend to use standard ports), but they implement punch hole in principle Sep 04 13:34:28 anyway, as in the whole concept cryptography wasnt built from the beginning, every more advanced stuff is complicated as hell Sep 04 13:35:00 khiraly11: if you say you want to make your company's sysop angry then yes skype is the protocol for you Sep 04 13:35:08 so sip will never succeed;-) And I also have rahter bad experience with some sip provider. Skype was much better to call landline Sep 04 13:35:38 khiraly11: stop telling nonsense please Sep 04 13:36:07 should $arecord filename.wav work on openmoko or do I need some param? mic seems borked Sep 04 13:36:10 here in Germany meanwhile 1/3 of all phones are SIP Sep 04 13:36:39 khiralyl1: sucessfully called home with sip with my freerunner last July from my holyday in sweden Sep 04 13:37:06 and to a lot of other places Sep 04 13:37:15 July 2008 Sep 04 13:37:17 Sharwin_F: only with right ALSA mixer settings Sep 04 13:37:24 from wifi hotspots Sep 04 13:37:54 lindi-, should shr be right? Sep 04 13:37:56 so that is the definitive way to go, not sip;) Sep 04 13:38:01 ~history Sep 04 13:38:01 Sharwin_F: no idea about shr Sep 04 13:38:35 I get this: Sep 04 13:38:36 $ arecord file.wav Sep 04 13:38:36 ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:805:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream Sep 04 13:38:36 arecord: main:546: audio open error: Invalid argument Sep 04 13:39:01 andi: i can't get sip work with my tripple nat :) Sep 04 13:39:09 andi: works with single nat though :) Sep 04 13:39:16 lindi-: and can you get skype to work? Sep 04 13:39:32 khiraly1: it's proprietary software, i don't use it :) but i've heard others use it in the same network Sep 04 13:39:35 Sharwin_F: check any of the recorder apps. you need to use -D hw:0.0 and you need correct mixer settings Sep 04 13:39:56 khiraly1: and i don't see why it wouldn't work. it can just tunnel over tcp if all else fails Sep 04 13:39:57 DocScrutinizer, Dictator records, but the same as when calling, just buzz sound Sep 04 13:40:15 you have the correct alsa scenario? Sep 04 13:40:28 lindi-: yepp, thats the difference. Im wondering what google talk uses Sep 04 13:40:39 obviously you have no buzzfix then? Sep 04 13:40:48 DocScrutinizer, I have Sep 04 13:40:55 it has been working correctly for a long time Sep 04 13:41:11 the mixer seems to have changes Sep 04 13:41:14 changed Sep 04 13:41:18 since yesterday or two days ago, when I received a call and the other person didn't hear anything from me at all Sep 04 13:41:22 so probably the staefile is wrong Sep 04 13:41:43 ahh, then buzzfix fell off? Sep 04 13:41:57 DocScrutinizer, I've been using shr default ones and always worked flawlessly Sep 04 13:42:31 DocScrutinizer, I didn't have problems with buzz at all before the buzzfix Sep 04 13:43:05 nah, that's too much for my empty stomach now Sep 04 13:43:10 it's not just when calling, also when recording with Dictator Sep 04 13:43:38 bye Sep 04 13:43:49 (15.41.43) DocScrutinizer: ahh, then buzzfix fell off? <-- how the hell can it be? ITs *soldered*, no? Sep 04 13:47:08 if anyone has some idea to help me debug it, just tell me :) Sep 04 13:47:29 lindi-: btw, I would like a client to be able to talk to google talk service (XMPP protocol, XEP) more then sip client Sep 04 13:48:10 khiraly1: google talk is not exactly xmpp Sep 04 13:48:23 Sharwin_F: did you tried different state file? Sep 04 13:48:26 and elmixer.py? Sep 04 13:48:26 maybe just some files are corrupted ;) Sep 04 13:48:31 khiraly1: "scp /my/backup/0823/usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state root@neo/xxx.state" "alsactl restore -f /xxx.state" buzz vanishes->statefile fucked up in new shr; still buzz->your hw borked Sep 04 13:48:57 lindi-: xmpp extended with XEP Sep 04 13:49:00 at least this is what they state Sep 04 13:49:17 http://code.google.com/intl/hu-HU/apis/talk/index.html Sep 04 13:49:19 ^^ Sep 04 13:49:51 khiraly1, can you pass me your state file? Sep 04 13:50:12 In addition, these extensions are in the process of being reviewed by the XMPP standards body as official enhancements (known as XEPs) to the standard. Sep 04 13:51:11 Sharwin_F: a sec Sep 04 13:51:38 khiraly1: but it's not exactly what the xep says either Sep 04 13:51:49 lindi-: link? Sep 04 13:53:45 khiraly1: with regard to google talk. It is using the SIP basically. Just not comatible with regular SIP phones Sep 04 13:53:55 jingle implements that Sep 04 13:54:14 hmm, I didnt know that. Sep 04 13:54:37 Just thought google has a huge userbase, and they cared enough to implement the best available protocol;) Sep 04 13:55:14 spaetz: sip? Sep 04 13:56:02 btw I really start to feel pissed by people who 1) think they need a nat at home, then 2) install a sip client and expect it to work ootb and 3) are too lazy to learn how to configure their NAT and instead demand SIP should do all that for them :-/ Sep 04 13:56:40 DocScrutinizer: i can't configure nat of my university or shared internet connection Sep 04 13:57:55 so if your NAT sysop has set it up to block SIP, it's either by purpose or he needs a kick in the ass. Don't you think so? Sep 04 13:58:12 DocScrutinizer: maybe Sep 04 13:58:21 that still won't help me make calls :) Sep 04 13:58:51 at the university they just gave a statement that using skype is ok at the university computers. at the same time they block UDP which kind of kills sip Sep 04 13:59:37 lindi-: so what are you asking for?? "hey I got no coins but still I want to make calls in that booth. How bad is THAT I can't!" Sep 04 14:00:00 DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to design a protocol that will bypass the NAT :) Sep 04 14:00:05 khiraly1, tell me when you have it :) Sep 04 14:00:33 use TCP-SIP Sep 04 14:01:11 or a VPN tunnel Sep 04 14:01:16 DocScrutinizer: not the point, it needs to be automatically detected for it to be usable by normal people(tm) Sep 04 14:01:19 or.. or.. or.. Sep 04 14:01:29 Sharwin_F: a sec, my network has outage, and have difficulty to upload it Sep 04 14:01:41 DocScrutinizer: I can probably make it work but it doesn't help, i need to be able to call others :) Sep 04 14:01:59 pffff Sep 04 14:02:15 khiraly1, ok np :) Sep 04 14:02:15 * DocScrutinizer shakes head and wanders off, finally Sep 04 14:02:17 3) are too lazy to learn how to configure their NAT and instead demand SIP should do all that for them :-/ <-- you cant configure every single router in the world Sep 04 14:02:37 I do want chit-chat in a mcdonalds too Sep 04 14:02:54 just like on my mobile I dont need to be at home to be callable and be able to place a call Sep 04 14:03:25 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/gsmhandset.state Sep 04 14:03:30 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/gsmhandset-back.state Sep 04 14:03:45 the '-back' is what shr provides, and has a shitty voice quality Sep 04 14:03:56 the other one, what works for me (TM) Sep 04 14:04:52 (16.00.58) lindi-: DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to design a protocol that will bypass the NAT :) <-- If you are serious about it, I have some documents on my other computer. It dates back in days when I did some filesharing research;) Sep 04 14:05:06 [15:36] khiralyl1: sucessfully called home with sip with my freerunner last July from my holyday in sweden [15:37] and to a lot of other places [15:37] July 2008 [15:37] from wifi hotspots Sep 04 14:05:25 khiraly1: iki.fi/lindi/overlay has my notes Sep 04 14:05:55 lindi-: I will read it Sep 04 14:06:27 khiraly1: thanks Sep 04 14:06:49 lindi-: are you aware of punch hole technic? Sep 04 14:06:53 khiraly1: currently i'm mostly stuck at trying to decide what the API to the library will look like and how am I going to write testcases for it Sep 04 14:07:01 khiraly1: many, it's not the hard part Sep 04 14:07:11 khiraly1: see the references I cite Sep 04 14:07:20 ok. I just want to make sure, we try to bypass routers in every possible way Sep 04 14:08:06 khiraly1: yep my idea was to have the transports as plugins so that you could negotiate with the other party what tricks to use Sep 04 14:08:32 and use standard protocols which are hard to filter Sep 04 14:08:41 like http. For initiate at the start Sep 04 14:08:46 and encryption from the beginning Sep 04 14:09:15 ok. I will read your documents, and will comment more throughly when I finished reading them Sep 04 14:09:21 khiraly1: yes client-manager communications will use port 443 and when crypto is added it will look like SSL Sep 04 14:09:34 khiraly1: they are not very well written, just random notes Sep 04 14:09:44 just the current thread blocking skype, is introducing latency in the communication Sep 04 14:09:52 so its not suitable for voice transmitting anymore Sep 04 14:10:09 some mobile internet provider already do this technic Sep 04 14:10:37 current thread blocking -> current threaT blocking s Sep 04 14:13:30 great achievement! by people who use skype despite it's explicitly forbidden in contact the carriers are urged spoil overall network performance for all users. Sep 04 14:13:58 s/ontact/ontract/ Sep 04 14:13:59 DocScrutinizer meant: great achievement! by people who use skype despite it's explicitly forbidden in contract the carriers are urged spoil overall network performance for all users. Sep 04 14:14:08 khiraly1, I've topied gsmhandset to /usr/share/shr/scennari, I'll try to make a call Sep 04 14:15:48 khiraly1, same result Sep 04 14:15:58 buzz sound on the other side Sep 04 14:16:05 they only hear buzz Sep 04 14:17:20 sorry no mood for all that today. honestly Sep 04 14:17:46 Sharwin_F: try dismount your phone, and see, if the buzzfix is still there Sep 04 14:18:11 DocScrutinizer, np, I'll be happy if you wanna try something another day :) Sep 04 14:18:54 khiraly1, I didn't do it, methril_home did it fro me :P Sep 04 14:18:58 I won't try to convince people a second and pssibly third time Sep 04 14:19:07 it's waste of energy Sep 04 14:19:23 DocScrutinizer, convince about what? Sep 04 14:20:59 have to go out in a while, tomorrow or so I'll reinstall shr to see if something is corrupted in my image or if it is hw problem Sep 04 14:21:41 * soltys wonders if shr will work on gta01b_v4 ;) Sep 04 15:56:45 hi Sep 04 15:57:03 how can I find a recipe of a given program? Sep 04 15:57:07 Im looking for paroli-calculator recipe Sep 04 15:57:15 anybody around to help? Sep 04 15:57:34 I would like to see also paroli's bb recipe Sep 04 16:00:08 khiraly1: calculator is included in paroli package, isn't it? Sep 04 16:00:16 nope Sep 04 16:00:21 is it separately installable Sep 04 16:00:29 opkg install paroli-calculator Sep 04 16:00:43 and the recipe has bug, as it does not compile the .edj file Sep 04 16:01:18 khiraly1: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb?h=shr/import Sep 04 16:01:40 khiraly1: you're right... but its defined in the same recipe.. Sep 04 18:20:52 Configuring kernel-module-trancevibrator... luckely that is included Sep 04 20:30:13 hi, just a little question about dbus, glib & co, is the same thing if i call a dbus object like obj.func(ii) as obj.func(a{ii}) ? Sep 04 20:30:28 in dbus Sep 04 21:35:39 PaulFertser: what do you think about this: switching shr-settings-power-"usb charging rate" from 500 to 100 stops charging completely (-455ma -> 29mA) ? Sep 04 21:37:09 some subsystem is performing badly. No guess if that's SHR(dos1), kernel, or even FSO Sep 04 21:49:14 dos1? Sep 04 22:02:19 Ainulindale, Hi! any change that shr team will start create snapshots releases , say once a month? Sep 04 22:02:30 Yep Sep 04 22:02:42 For the time being I'm a bit busy with my new job and mrmoku|away is in holidays Sep 04 22:02:54 So the packaging is a bit sleepy :-) Sep 04 22:03:52 but, at least have you it in plans?) Sep 04 22:04:08 yep Sep 04 22:04:21 the plan is to hasten the migration unstable => testing Sep 04 22:04:40 that is make "micro releases" for stuff such has standard software Sep 04 22:05:12 I don't speak about shr as distro, only about shr as software Sep 04 22:05:45 that is more shifty Sep 04 22:05:55 we could talk about how to help you packaging that for gentoo though Sep 04 22:06:00 I think shr-devel is a good place for that Sep 04 22:06:06 Ainulindale: hi!! Sep 04 22:06:09 Mainly, tell us what you need, and we'll try to do that Sep 04 22:06:10 khiraly1: hey Sep 04 22:06:14 Ainulindale: could you please help me a little? Sep 04 22:06:25 Ainulindale: where can I find the recipe for paroli and paroli-calculator? Sep 04 22:06:27 khiraly1: hey I'll see vegyraupe next week, want me to kiss him for you? :-) Sep 04 22:06:38 khiraly1: well on OE Sep 04 22:06:51 Ainulindale: yeah, and suck his dick also, if you are there Sep 04 22:06:52 ;)) Sep 04 22:07:06 I'm not into weird northern guys Sep 04 22:07:19 Ainulindale: an exact link please? Im such a noob with shr Sep 04 22:07:22 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb?h=shr/import Sep 04 22:07:55 would be nice to find what om2009 used. Just dunno where it was Sep 04 22:08:06 well Sep 04 22:08:08 Ainulindale: and where can I send patch regarding to the recipe? Sep 04 22:08:11 mostly the same Sep 04 22:08:17 and this recipe has been updated by angus Sep 04 22:08:23 khiraly1: shr-devel and/or angus Sep 04 22:08:33 on shr-devel it's tracked on patchwork Sep 04 22:08:38 Ainulindale: paroli recipes has some problems. Paroli: does not copy the tichy dir. Paroli-calculator: does not build the .edj file Sep 04 22:08:42 http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/ Sep 04 22:09:12 ok, I'll subscribe to shr devel, and send the patch to it, cc'ing angus Sep 04 22:09:26 khiraly1: not sure about that though Sep 04 22:09:26 angus is camping if Im right Sep 04 22:09:29 see the commit log Sep 04 22:09:35 he updated the recipe quite a lot Sep 04 22:09:53 he added paroli-calculator for instance Sep 04 22:10:39 yepp, but when you launch paroli-calculator, it has only a plain black window Sep 04 22:11:02 because the .edj file was not builded. Sep 04 22:11:32 send a patch and I'm sure nytowl will check it :-) Sep 04 22:11:59 and there is a serious lag. He wrote me an email 3 days ago, that something wrong with paroli-calculator, and I could only install the package today. Sep 04 22:14:38 e(00.09.29) Ainulindale: see the commit log<-- can I see it from the web too? So commit log only for paroli.bb Sep 04 22:16:14 Ainulindale: I do not find paroli-calculator recipe. But the package exists Sep 04 22:16:15 yeah you can see it from the web Sep 04 22:16:23 That's because it's in paroli_git.bb Sep 04 22:16:54 ok, I see Sep 04 22:17:02 line 156 Sep 04 22:17:21 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb?h=shr/import Sep 04 22:19:50 hmm Sep 04 22:20:19 I also do not find where the other .edj got built. (tele.edj, msgs.edj), but it built fine Sep 04 22:23:10 ok, Im a completely noob at .bb recipes. It looks like a mixed python + shell script code. But I cant find at all where the default .edj are built Sep 04 22:28:14 because it's probably done by setuptools Sep 04 22:28:34 or the thingy for that in python Sep 04 22:31:46 ok. The questions: 1. where is defined what to do at configure stage 2. where is defined what to do at installation stage? Sep 04 22:32:00 3. how paroli's setup.py gets called? Sep 04 22:32:10 "inherit distutils" Sep 04 22:32:23 after that all is handled by distutils.bbclass Sep 04 22:33:50 hmm, distutils.bbclass. TIme to google Sep 04 22:35:29 khiraly1: it's in OE Sep 04 22:35:47 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/classes/distutils.bbclass?h=shr/import&id=17ffe51af5ec968a21760875aa1b521c516ddd24 Sep 04 22:35:56 check also distutils-base Sep 04 22:36:01 anyways I'm off to sleep Sep 04 22:36:02 I'm tired Sep 04 22:36:06 See you and good luck Sep 04 22:36:50 Ainulindale: thanks for your help Sep 04 22:52:34 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r44932ba654a8 /fsousaged/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Sep 04 22:52:34 freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: add (optional) libpersistence support to improve restartability Sep 04 22:52:34 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: configure with --enable-persistence, if you want to enable this feature. Sep 04 22:57:02 NOTE: this is quite nice, but I agree w/ Paul Fertser that it doesn't make sense to spend too much time w/ it, rather make the program crashproof itself Sep 04 23:34:28 mickey|zzZZzz: right on, right on! :-) Sep 04 23:34:47 couldn't agree more Sep 04 23:36:57 hmm Sep 05 00:05:07 PaulFertser: here? Sep 05 00:05:22 what is the ssh daemon process id on freerunner? Sep 05 00:10:06 gn8 Sep 05 00:50:32 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * rc45f7dc4c6d2 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel_input: send coldplug input notifications on startup. Fixes FSO #239 Sep 05 01:06:52 hi Sep 05 01:07:03 is sshfs is available on the freerunner? Sep 05 02:05:54 damn, this time gprs stalled without frameworkd freeze Sep 05 02:06:17 well, I didn't try disconnect yet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 05 02:59:58 2009