**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 09 03:00:02 2009
Sep 09 06:40:59 <ntosme2> hey guys, is it safe to opkg upgrade SHR right now?
Sep 09 06:42:55 <ntosme2> aha I can try debian again finally!
Sep 09 06:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> ntosme2: afaik no *major* glitches known
Sep 09 06:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> maybe missing fles for sketch
Sep 09 06:53:22 <DocScrutinizer> gprs shutdown dunno if it still freezes frameworkd
Sep 09 06:53:29 <ntosme2> DocScrutinizer: thanks, last time I checked there were some issues
Sep 09 06:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> ntosme2: well I didn't do any upgrade lately, but from loosely observing IRC it seems to be rather safe
Sep 09 06:55:12 <DocScrutinizer> no major alerts for the last 48h
Sep 09 06:55:50 <thessy> ntosme2: upgraded yesterday. found nothing not working.
Sep 09 06:56:09 <DocScrutinizer> though a lot of people dare to upgrade only when dos1 online ;-P
Sep 09 06:56:50 <DocScrutinizer> thessy: tested sketch?
Sep 09 06:56:52 <ntosme2> also, is wireless working again? the last image I flashed would scan once and die
Sep 09 06:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> scans but doesn't find any AP?
Sep 09 06:57:14 <thessy> no, not using this app.
Sep 09 06:57:20 <thessy> can test starting...
Sep 09 06:57:59 <ntosme2> DocScrutinizer: no, scans and finds access points, second scan or connection attempt fails with errors
Sep 09 06:58:11 <ntosme2> I'll try it again after the upgrade
Sep 09 06:58:14 <DocScrutinizer>  ""missing /usr/blah/*.png"" for sketch
Sep 09 06:59:25 <thessy> DocScrutinizer: does not start.
Sep 09 06:59:53 <thessy> yes, a lots of "failed to open file..."
Sep 09 07:02:12 <thessy> ntosme2: wlan (wpa) works for me, but not with mokonnect. only with mofi
Sep 09 07:05:41 <ntosme2> thessy: that sounds promising
Sep 09 08:22:46 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ping
Sep 09 08:30:11 <Docscrutinizer-8> ptitjes: hi!! :-))
Sep 09 09:22:17 <ptitjes> hi Docscrutinizer-8
Sep 09 09:55:55 <DocMobilizer> sh*t, no ringtone on inbound call. inserting and removing hs fixed it. Seems even my FR tries to kick my ass so I finally clean up scenario mess
Sep 09 10:11:44 <rhkfin_> DocScrutinizer-8: viva la resistance!
Sep 09 10:17:19 <playya_> really strange
Sep 09 10:18:09 <playya_> my touchscreen reacts for the system menu
Sep 09 10:18:31 <playya_> but shr PIN entry doesn't react
Sep 09 10:18:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's really strange
Sep 09 10:19:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> probably it locked up
Sep 09 10:20:00 <playya_> nope
Sep 09 10:20:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> cna you switch to another screen and then back to PIN, and screen refreshes correctly?
Sep 09 10:20:35 <playya_> the illume panel doesn't react, too :(
Sep 09 10:21:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> so it's a simple lock up aka freeze then
Sep 09 10:23:22 <playya_> but it happens every time :(
Sep 09 10:23:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's bad
Sep 09 10:23:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> you should check what happens to a ssh session
Sep 09 10:24:00 <playya_> works
Sep 09 10:24:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> then try to find cause in logs
Sep 09 10:24:45 <playya_> there's only one error in x.log:
Sep 09 10:24:47 <playya_> EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj, group e/modules/kbd/base/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ???
Sep 09 10:24:48 <playya_>   Problem part is: e.text.label
Sep 09 10:24:48 <playya_>   Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result.
Sep 09 10:25:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> I'd guess ogsmd/frameworkd borks and tears Illume to the orcus as well
Sep 09 10:26:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, does that error pop up on opening kbd for PIN?
Sep 09 10:27:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> will it bork as well if you boot without SIM, and then open same kbd?
Sep 09 10:28:04 <playya_> have to start frameworkd
Sep 09 10:30:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> bbl
Sep 09 10:30:37 <playya_> ok
Sep 09 10:30:48 <playya_> no message
Sep 09 10:31:00 <playya_> i can even get it out of suspend
Sep 09 10:47:51 <Arigead> [shr-u] opimd messages. What should somebody do to remove the std messages app from shr-unstable and replace it in the phone with opimd alternative? Is it a simple case of opkg remove? Will the opimd messages  app then get initiated, if that's necessary on startup?
Sep 09 11:07:17 <Heinervdm> ~opimd-messages
Sep 09 11:07:17 <bzzbot> extra, extra, read all about it, opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon
Sep 09 11:20:26 <CIA-53> SHR: david shr-settings * rdb8b6c006ca1 /data/po/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [po] update spanish and galician translation
Sep 09 11:43:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> Arigead: check /etc/init.d
Sep 09 11:43:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> plus rc5
Sep 09 11:44:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> though that doesn't exactly do the trick for me
Sep 09 11:45:00 <DocScrutinizer-8> maybe I missed sth
Sep 09 11:46:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> anyway "opkg install opimd-utils" is first step. You already knew that, I guess
Sep 09 12:01:52 <pbaxter> DocScrutinizer: have you ever heard the song of Rush called Cygnus -x 1
Sep 09 12:01:55 <pbaxter> ?
Sep 09 12:03:32 <pbaxter> DocScrutinizer-8: have you ever heard a song called cygnus -x 1 of Rush
Sep 09 12:03:34 <pbaxter> ?
Sep 09 12:03:44 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Sep 09 12:04:02 <pbaxter> wait
Sep 09 12:04:05 <pbaxter> can i give you a link?
Sep 09 12:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> is it worth it?
Sep 09 12:04:18 <pbaxter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHIgmXGMC5E
Sep 09 12:04:22 <pbaxter> i like it a lot
Sep 09 12:04:26 <pbaxter> also one of the best intro
Sep 09 12:24:23 <ptero_> has anybody here built om-touch? i can't build qt, always running into errors, which seem easy, but i can't find any real documentation on building that shit properly. http://pastebin.com/d535fb828
Sep 09 12:24:24 <ptero_> what i did was unpacking the toolkit, installing gcc and (to do more of what the toolkit doc said) libedje-dev, libmokoui2-dev, gconf-dbus-env. i also had to make symlinks for the gcc binaries, since qt-embedded's configure had another filenames for them
Sep 09 12:51:01 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r0156eb4ebc32 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (accelerometer/plugin.vala accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala): fsodevice: accelerometer: use threshhold + timeout instead of low pass filter to detect start/stop movements
Sep 09 13:15:08 <Arigead> DocScrutinizer-8: thanks for your response I have installed opimd-utils but have removed both /etc/X11/Xsession.d 89notifier and 80ophonekitd maybe that's not the correct thing to do at all. I was going to remove shr-messages but the system wasn't too happy with that idea. I restarted the phone and of course nothing registered to use the gsm so it didn't start up and connect to the network. You mention /etc/init
Sep 09 13:15:09 <Arigead> .d and rc5 but what should be started as a daemon?
Sep 09 13:30:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> Arigead: sorry, of course I ment that X11 stuff
Sep 09 13:33:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> Arigead: when I installed opimd-utils I got roundabout half a dozen notifiers on SMS and missed calls. Then I removed what I thought I recall dos1 recommended from that startscripts and now I have no notifiers at all (but still the message jingle on SMS ;-)
Sep 09 13:35:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1 should be able to tell more precisely how to correctly set up this
Sep 09 13:35:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:35:11 <bzzbot> i heard opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*.
Sep 09 13:35:22 <Arigead> DocScrutinizer-8: So I was correct to remove the notifier and ophonekitd but I'm afraid I'm lost as to what replaces it so that the FreeRunner powers up and opimd utils register to use the gsm. Even if I manually start opimd-messages it's a blank screen and doesn't receive messages I'm sending to the phone. I'm sure this must be documented somewhere
Sep 09 13:36:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> ask dos1
Sep 09 13:36:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> or tasn
Sep 09 13:36:57 <DocScrutinizer-8> iirc
Sep 09 13:37:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~seen dos1
Sep 09 13:37:17 <bzzbot> dos1 <n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 18h 37m 25s ago, saying: 'and then i'll help you :D'.
Sep 09 13:39:52 <Arigead> DocScrutinizer-8: Cheers I'll try to catch dos1 thanks for your help anyhow, sorry I have to ask
Sep 09 13:40:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> thanks for pushing on this, hope to exploit the answer same as you will
Sep 09 13:45:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils also is what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:45:22 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about?
Sep 09 13:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils is also what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:45:39 <bzzbot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Sep 09 13:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:45:55 <bzzbot> from memory, opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:46:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~forget opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:46:46 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: i forgot opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils is <reply> opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. That's what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:47:28 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Sep 09 13:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:47:38 <bzzbot> opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. That's what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~forget opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:48:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~forget opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:48:35 <bzzbot> i forgot opimd-utils, DocScrutinizer
Sep 09 13:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. That's what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:49:03 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Sep 09 13:49:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~opimd-utils
Sep 09 13:49:08 <bzzbot> it has been said that opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*. That's what dos1 said
Sep 09 13:55:35 <Arigead> ;-) Can I just ask for clarification what's opimd-utils?
Sep 09 13:56:03 <Arigead> God I'll have to get a coffee you two are cracking me up
Sep 09 13:56:34 <Arigead> what was I supposed to forget? Think I must have forgotten already. Now coffee ;-)
Sep 09 13:57:07 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r1b17791b7046 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: accelerometer_lis302: sample_rate, threshhold, full_scale configurable to customize movement detection
Sep 09 13:57:08 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * rbb3a09495420 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: accelerometer: first sketch at identifiying actual device orientation
Sep 09 14:07:56 <Weiss> anyone around running Xglamo (not Xorg) who could run "xset q" for me and paste the output somewhere?
Sep 09 14:13:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * rcda4d3c4dd12 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: accelerometer: fix logic in intInRegion() and use ternary values for atoms
Sep 09 14:37:56 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r1a74440bda25 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (accelerometer/plugin.vala accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: accelerometer[_lis302]: fix more bugs, add more debugging
Sep 09 14:48:17 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r271ab2481c93 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (accelerometer/plugin.vala accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: accelerometer: finally fix intWithinRegion()... *sigh*
Sep 09 14:53:32 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r8b189e5017f4 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/plugin.vala:
Sep 09 14:53:32 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: accelerometer: remove debug output, first version seems to work fine
Sep 09 14:53:32 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Now let's check CPU usage ;)
Sep 09 15:07:16 <klinuxer> is shr-unstable supposed to be working after the latest updates? (i mean at least telephony/ophonekit)
Sep 09 15:18:00 <TAsn> Arigead, ophonekitd registers to network
Sep 09 15:18:03 <TAsn> you need that. :)
Sep 09 15:19:50 <TAsn> damn freenode
Sep 09 15:19:59 <TAsn> blocked my banned my cellphone
Sep 09 15:20:10 <TAsn> as it detected a proxy
Sep 09 15:20:16 <TAsn> first of all, why are proxies a crime?!
Sep 09 15:20:31 <TAsn> second of all, of course I use a proxy, it's an evil cellphone data plan
Sep 09 15:21:41 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r5cad20bc5a6d /fsodeviced/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: accelerometer: hook into FSO resource system; available as Resource 'Accelerometer'
Sep 09 15:32:57 <Weiss> ok, who's feeling REALLY BRAVE this afternoon? http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/openmoko/BFS-andy-tracking-and-drm-tracking-BARELY-TESTED.patch
Sep 09 15:34:16 <Arigead> TAsn: Sorry missed that message. I thought that to install another set of phone apps like litephone or paroli you had to remove ophonekitd! I might have misunderstood something ;-)
Sep 09 15:34:25 <TAsn> you do.
Sep 09 15:34:37 <TAsn> but you have to make sure "their registering daemon" is running.
Sep 09 15:34:44 <TAsn> I didn't really read what you wrote
Sep 09 15:34:50 <TAsn> just gave you my 2cent.
Sep 09 15:36:59 <Arigead> TAsn: I was trying to use the opimd-utils to send and receive SMS messages. I know it's very early days for that app but wanted to have a look into opmid implementation
Sep 09 15:37:20 <TAsn> opimd-utils needs ophonekitd running
Sep 09 15:38:46 <Arigead> TAsn: do I then remove shr-messages. It complains when I do that so I've not done it. I'll reinstall ophonekitd
Sep 09 15:39:23 <Arigead> I didn't really remove it just didn't start it in /etc/X11
Sep 09 15:40:13 <TAsn> in order to use opimd-utils
Sep 09 15:40:15 <TAsn>  you have to:
Sep 09 15:40:17 <TAsn> install shr
Sep 09 15:40:23 <TAsn> opkg install opimd-utils
Sep 09 15:40:25 <TAsn> use them
Sep 09 15:40:28 <TAsn> :)
Sep 09 15:40:45 <Ainulindale> TAsn: add "spank someone for bugs"
Sep 09 15:40:59 <Arigead> TAsn: restarting the phone to try this out.
Sep 09 15:41:13 <Arigead> Ainulindale: Will I find bugs? ;-)
Sep 09 15:41:15 <TAsn> Arigead, btw, don't forget to spank someone for bugs.
Sep 09 15:41:21 <TAsn> Arigead, hopefully not
Sep 09 15:41:23 <TAsn> but if you do
Sep 09 15:41:25 <TAsn> spank dos1
Sep 09 15:41:25 <TAsn> :)
Sep 09 15:41:28 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Sep 09 15:43:06 <Arigead> I'm hoping to have a word with dos1 as I wonder what the plan is for opimd-utils I'd like to help out but I'm not sure if the long term plan is that opimd provides apps or whether litephone and paroli are intended to ultimately provide the phone solution.
Sep 09 15:43:24 <Arigead> build on top of opimd of course
Sep 09 15:43:48 <TAsn> Arigead, his plan for opimd-utils is death.
Sep 09 15:43:54 <TAsn> it's just a testing suite
Sep 09 15:43:57 <TAsn> for developers
Sep 09 15:44:11 <TAsn> he's also using it to test out new UI ideas
Sep 09 15:44:30 <TAsn> though libfso-phoneui or whatever it's name is
Sep 09 15:44:32 <TAsn> is the future.
Sep 09 15:45:18 <Arigead> Right Oh. still want too look under the hood so to speak so I'll have a look. So there will be an alternative to paroli and litephone
Sep 09 15:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> damn, what's the idea how to make chanserv accept colors for this channel?
Sep 09 15:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> bah, nevermind
Sep 09 16:10:17 <DocScrutinizer> 7c9o4l10o2r1 test
Sep 09 16:12:56 <khiraly1> doh
Sep 09 16:17:02 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r61cbc49eae24 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix AddIncoming
Sep 09 16:17:08 <DocScrutinizer> yeeeaaah
Sep 09 16:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> better this way
Sep 09 16:21:37 <dos1|neo> DocScrutinizer: which way? ;x
Sep 09 16:22:06 <DocScrutinizer> cia-53 in color 
Sep 09 16:22:18 <dos1|neo> ;)
Sep 09 16:23:12 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|neo: also you may (reasonably) edit topic now again. Probably you haven't even noticed it was blocked ;-)
Sep 09 16:23:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03thomas 07opimd-utils * r212e83f4e88d 10/opimd-dates: opimd-dates: move adding dates to elementary pager
Sep 09 16:24:53 <dos1|neo> DocScrutinizer: i noticed message about changing channel modes to block it some time ago ;)
Sep 09 16:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> was when chanserv entered
Sep 09 16:25:27 <DocScrutinizer> not intentionally
Sep 09 16:27:07 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r6adfb14d1703 10/opimd-cli: opimd-cli: AddIncoming support
Sep 09 16:28:12 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|neo: you noticed my comment about the odd-named "edit"  button?
Sep 09 16:28:45 <dos1|neo> DocScrutinizer: yup
Sep 09 16:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> k
Sep 09 16:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> :)
Sep 09 16:28:59 <dos1|neo> it is done intensionally like that
Sep 09 16:29:11 <dos1|neo> but you can be right
Sep 09 16:29:20 <dos1|neo> i'm not ui expert ;)
Sep 09 16:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> if you think it's ok this way, I won't argue
Sep 09 16:30:20 <dos1|neo> i would like to know what more people think about that
Sep 09 16:30:54 <dos1|neo> it doesn't matter for me if it's Save or Edit, and changing it takes les than minute :P
Sep 09 16:30:55 <DocScrutinizer> for that you need more people to actually USE opimd-notes
Sep 09 16:31:09 <dos1|neo> s/les/less/
Sep 09 16:31:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Sep 09 16:31:31 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: :)
Sep 09 16:31:53 <DocScrutinizer> bzzbot: why do you ignore dos1|neo ?
Sep 09 16:32:13 <DocScrutinizer> ANSWER to me, nasty bot!!
Sep 09 16:33:04 <DocScrutinizer> s/WER /wer   /
Sep 09 16:33:05 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: ANSwer   to me, nasty bot!!
Sep 09 16:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> pffft
Sep 09 16:34:58 <DocScrutinizer|x> s/WER /weR /
Sep 09 16:35:07 <DocScrutinizer|x> xdrf
Sep 09 16:35:14 <DocScrutinizer|x> s/dr/XX/
Sep 09 16:35:15 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer|x meant: xXXf
Sep 09 16:35:20 <DocScrutinizer|x> hmm
Sep 09 16:36:07 <dos1|neo> test
Sep 09 16:36:15 <dos1|neo> s/est/oast/
Sep 09 16:36:15 <bzzbot> dos1|neo meant: toast
Sep 09 16:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> useconds-coma
Sep 09 16:41:27 <CIA-53> SHR: 03zimmermann 07opimd-utils * r99d0c475f99a 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Add french translation
Sep 09 16:42:40 <Heinervdm> hmm, thats wrong config for git...
Sep 09 16:43:53 <Heinervdm> how can i set author name with git config?
Sep 09 16:45:00 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: git config --global user.Name blabla
Sep 09 16:45:30 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: that's set to my full name
Sep 09 16:45:52 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: so, what's your problem?
Sep 09 16:46:12 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: that's not only my lastname
Sep 09 16:47:03 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: sorry, i fail to understand
Sep 09 16:47:25 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: CIA show's only my last name
Sep 09 16:47:49 <Heinervdm> before it was my firstname
Sep 09 16:48:12 <Heinervdm> perhaps it can't handel spaces...
Sep 09 16:48:56 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: look at http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=opimd-utils.git;a=commit;h=99d0c475f99a360f65f7612dfef09249a3386a6d
Sep 09 16:49:16 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: so that's CIA-specific bug/feature.
Sep 09 16:49:38 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: ok :)
Sep 09 18:09:36 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5185320016ce 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device: document implemented orientation strings for org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.GetOrientation()
Sep 09 18:19:27 <PaulFertser> lindi-: are you ok with closing https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2293 ?
Sep 09 18:27:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: also please take a look at https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2073
Sep 09 18:29:54 <dos1|neo> Ainulindale: ping
Sep 09 18:33:42 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i think it was fixed yes but that conversation never went to bug tracker
Sep 09 18:34:01 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i don't understand why bugs are discussed on mailing list
Sep 09 18:35:03 <PaulFertser> lindi-: so can i close both?
Sep 09 18:35:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: re #2073, i have just used voip-*.state so i have not really tested this *recording*.state
Sep 09 18:35:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: we don't really care about the state if it uses useless DAI 1, as explained somewher.
Sep 09 18:36:04 <PaulFertser> lindi-: probably that's still some bug, i don't think anybody's fixed it.
Sep 09 18:36:06 <lindi-> PaulFertser: you probably want to add "can we close this?" comment to those bugs so that relevant people can test it
Sep 09 18:36:23 <Toaster`> dos1|neo: did eve ever build for you?
Sep 09 18:36:24 <lindi-> PaulFertser: when I get mail from bug tracker I just tag the message and try to test it when I have opportunity
Sep 09 18:36:33 <PaulFertser> lindi-: apparently nobody's interested, the latest comment at 2073 is request for feedback.
Sep 09 18:37:06 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that's what you get when half of the conversation is on the mailing list and the other half in bug tracker
Sep 09 18:37:11 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yeah :(
Sep 09 18:37:17 <PaulFertser> lindi-: because trac apparently sucks.
Sep 09 18:37:35 <lindi-> PaulFertser: anyways, better add comments to those bugs so people get email
Sep 09 18:37:41 <lindi-> can't test right now
Sep 09 18:37:51 <PaulFertser> lindi-: they do get emails if they're cc'd.
Sep 09 18:37:57 <lindi-> yep
Sep 09 18:38:26 <lindi-> PaulFertser: just trying to say that i will forget this conversation by tomorrow unless I get email :P
Sep 09 18:39:21 <PaulFertser> lindi-: ok, got you :)
Sep 09 18:39:57 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm currently cleaning up "system software" trac section and it looks like some interesting entries are there, buried in a pile of crap.
Sep 09 18:40:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: would it be possible to get privileges to add/remove tags to bug reports?
Sep 09 18:41:43 <PaulFertser> lindi-: do you mean "Keywords"?
Sep 09 18:42:15 <lindi-> PaulFertser: the 'Keywords:' field
Sep 09 18:44:00 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm afraid you need to ask roh for that, i seem to not have perms or don't know how to use them.
Sep 09 18:47:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc129c5da51ba 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/resource.vala: fsodeviced: resource: enable unconditionally, if we can't communicate with fsousaged
Sep 09 18:47:49 <onen|openBmap> hi everyone
Sep 09 18:49:04 <Zorksleep> hi onen|openBmap!
Sep 09 18:49:07 <Zorksleep> long time no see
Sep 09 18:49:41 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I showed up briefly the other day, but this time I should be back for good :-)
Sep 09 18:49:44 <Zorkman2> you even stole away my second place for a while :)
Sep 09 18:49:50 <Zorkman2> (yeah, I read on the ML)
Sep 09 18:50:16 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: yep, but I was using two FRs and 3 sim cards ;-)
Sep 09 18:50:53 <Zorkman2> seems like total trusted cells are going up steadily
Sep 09 18:50:55 * onen|openBmap is looking at the looooong list of emails to go through
Sep 09 18:51:07 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: indeed
Sep 09 18:57:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> onen|openBmap: howdy!
Sep 09 19:00:21 <Toaster`> Question about using a prepaid SIM card.  I have one working in my FR, but then I requeste the balance (*100#, I think) I get a static menu listing of numbered option, and the call ends.  How can I request a balance (option #1)?
Sep 09 19:00:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmfff, FR just locked up so solidly I thought it's a A5 without bat. Absolutely dead by all means of reanimation. charger->nada. powerbutton->nottin. Then I removed and immediately inserted bat... volia! back to life at 47% charge
Sep 09 19:01:17 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: oh
Sep 09 19:01:28 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i had hard lockups too. Always when using GPRS.
Sep 09 19:01:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> yoh 
Sep 09 19:01:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> gprs was on, that's correct
Sep 09 19:01:52 <PaulFertser> But too rarely to get any meaningful reproducible pattern.
Sep 09 19:02:02 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: Wassup, Doc? ;-)
Sep 09 19:02:09 <PaulFertser> Didn't try to immediately reinsert bat.
Sep 09 19:02:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~seen docmobilizer
Sep 09 19:02:45 <bzzbot> docmobilizer <n=joerg_rw@82.113.106.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 9h 6m 50s ago, saying: 'sh*t, no ringtone on inbound call. inserting and removing hs fixed it. Seems even my FR tries to kick my ass so I finally clean up scenario mess'.
Sep 09 19:03:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> oh noes. that's last post, not time of leaving channel
Sep 09 19:03:57 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raaa0b4ab7681 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: accelerometer: only send signal when orientation has actually changed
Sep 09 19:05:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> onen|openBmap: is all this answering your question? ;-P
Sep 09 19:06:08 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: ;-)
Sep 09 19:06:16 <DocScrutinizer-8> also returned a 500bucks brick today. Dealy gave back money as he had no spare
Sep 09 19:06:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> dealer even
Sep 09 19:06:46 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: at least he didn't blame you for the breakage.
Sep 09 19:06:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> though dealy isn't that bad :-P
Sep 09 19:12:03 <PaulFertser> 240x320        50.2 <--- 50 Hz? Weird. And it looks like that too. Weiss, was it fixed in modern X driver?
Sep 09 19:12:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> idle-stae-machine is confused still on inserting charger. Doesn't even dim anymore until you hit screen. A tough bastard, showing up each time another inch away from where you think you stomped on it
Sep 09 19:13:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> mickeyl: ^
Sep 09 19:26:21 * DocScrutinizer-8 ponders whether to do another useless upgrade or switch back to one of the well-hated winmoob phones for 3 weeks. gprs killing phone is a nogo
Sep 09 19:32:04 * rhkfin_ agrees!!
Sep 09 19:32:55 <rhkfin_> Hmm.. that's quite a threatning: 'I'll change to windowz if U not fix my gprsz!'
Sep 09 19:33:19 <rhkfin_> DocScrutinizer-8: so what's the thing with the gprs? Why is it killing, why isn't it fixed?
Sep 09 19:35:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> no idea. seems pppd can't quit silently without killing half the system. No good story yet why whole phone freezes dark when gprs times out during suspend
Sep 09 19:38:48 <DocScrutinizer-8> anyway, a few weeks ago system was more like a daily phone than now
Sep 09 19:39:59 <sybren> DocScrutinizer-8: what happened?
Sep 09 19:41:32 <rhkfin_> So who should we ask this about? mickeyl, dos1|neo?
Sep 09 19:41:38 <rhkfin_> lindi-: ?
Sep 09 19:46:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> mickeyl knows about some details, but it's not FSO domain, according to him. Dunno whose it's then
Sep 09 19:47:57 <rhkfin_> this is the funny part of openmoko - to me it looks like that every now and then we face situations where no-one knows who it belongs to so no-one takes care of it.. Hmph. 
Sep 09 19:48:07 <rhkfin_> (OM, the community)
Sep 09 19:50:17 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: what package did you upgrade to make it break?
Sep 09 19:50:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> I just can contribute with observation gprs disconnect rather reproducably kills framework. And gprs auto-disconnects after 24h here, as well as on cell handover now and then
Sep 09 19:50:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: can't remember anymore. This is since weeks now
Sep 09 19:51:12 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: i have seen several such cases. i just have a watchdog process restart frameworkd
Sep 09 19:51:18 <DocScrutinizer-8> think it's one of the fs* &!)! #"9 >9@7)3"
Sep 09 19:51:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> fsck, sorry
Sep 09 19:51:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> one of the fs* vala fso modules
Sep 09 19:52:11 <lindi-> ah, i'm still not using vala
Sep 09 19:52:48 <sybren> DocScrutinizer-8: I noticed that a GPRS diconnect was one of the more unpleasant actions in SHR ;-)
Sep 09 19:52:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: that's been my potential last resort til today. Today however device froze blackscreen dead, had to remove bat
Sep 09 19:53:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> don't think watchdog would help it
Sep 09 19:53:30 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: it froze while running?
Sep 09 19:53:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> it froze in suspend it seems
Sep 09 19:54:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> absolute brick
Sep 09 19:54:18 <DocScrutinizer-8> remove bat to resurrect
Sep 09 19:55:16 <DocScrutinizer-8> more likely froze during resume, while screen wasn't up yet. dunno
Sep 09 19:55:44 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: that's exactly the same issue i hit twice this month
Sep 09 19:55:48 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: and never before
Sep 09 19:56:07 <lindi-> wpwrak suggested me to look at PWRON but I have not disassembled the device that fully yet
Sep 09 19:56:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> here first time as well
Sep 09 19:56:13 <lindi-> wpwrak suggested me to look at PWREN but I have not disassembled the device that fully yet
Sep 09 19:56:18 <DocScrutinizer-8> so I'm pissed now
Sep 09 19:57:46 <CIA-53> SHR: 03baruch 07shr-settings * r39ddfa7c49a8 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [battery] read/write files directly
Sep 09 19:59:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> wtf who's baruch?
Sep 09 20:00:44 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: some guy from ml
Sep 09 20:00:49 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: i commited his patch
Sep 09 20:00:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> and why need shr-settings a fix for bat?
Sep 09 20:11:20 <rhkfin_> litephone 0.1 released - anyone have any experiences? The screenshots look nice
Sep 09 20:13:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> rhkfin_: sorry for rant, but I don't feel like testing sip with borked wifi and killer bug in gprs
Sep 09 20:15:01 <lindi-> wifi fortunately works but gprs bug is irritating to me too
Sep 09 20:15:05 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: wifi still borked for you?
Sep 09 20:16:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> well, upgrade from quite some days ago doesn't show any AP in mokonnect. Think I'm missing most recent patch yet
Sep 09 20:16:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> s/patch/unpatch/
Sep 09 20:16:40 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer-8 meant: well, upgrade from quite some days ago doesn't show any AP in mokonnect. Think I'm missing most recent unpatch yet
Sep 09 20:17:10 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i think DocScrutinizer-8 is talking about frameworkd borked after gprs disconnect, there were some talks about it not properly sensing the app is gone or something. But you're still using only ogsmd and handling pppd yourself, right?
Sep 09 20:17:28 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i think if you opkg upgrade only ar6000 module it's safe.
Sep 09 20:17:29 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ogsmd forks pppd here
Sep 09 20:17:48 <PaulFertser> lindi-: ah, i thought you were doing it yourself.
Sep 09 20:18:08 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that'd need me to write a program to talk to the muxer and allocate channels
Sep 09 20:18:28 <PaulFertser> lindi-: probably trivial?
Sep 09 20:18:44 <lindi-> not sure at all
Sep 09 20:18:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> ogsmd was kinda tolerant to this. I seem to remeber all doom began on fsogsmd?
Sep 09 20:18:59 <lindi-> fsogsmd?
Sep 09 20:19:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's why I placed a "?" there
Sep 09 20:19:43 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: no, there's no fsogsmd
Sep 09 20:19:45 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: i'm not using gsmd, i'm using ogsmd
Sep 09 20:21:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> anyway, I started rant about all this several times now. I'm tired of it
Sep 09 20:24:11 <PaulFertser> dos1|neo: looks like you're using wifi from you bed?
Sep 09 20:25:02 <dos1|neo> PaulFertser: hehe, i'm going to ;D
Sep 09 20:25:08 <dos1|neo> mickeyl: ping
Sep 09 20:25:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> usage pattern: enable gprs, irc 20min, disable gprs ->borked, reboot.  Or: do not disable gprs, move 500m, cell reselect->borked, no more inbound calls. I don't do this any longer now
Sep 09 20:25:46 <dos1|neo> mickeyl: did you saw patch on fso trac for timestamp handling in sms?
Sep 09 20:27:48 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: saved serial port traffic from that period would be probably useful
Sep 09 20:30:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> first of all a fix to frameworkd-call which hangs on pppd would help a lot. I already provided logs, this suggestion, and MHO this is a showstopper. No reaction. So today I'm not in the mood to start another round of investigations. Ping me tomorrow, maybe better mood then
Sep 09 20:31:50 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: i'm not fso developer either though :(
Sep 09 20:32:08 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: and afraid to upgrade frameworkd precisely for these reasons :)
Sep 09 20:32:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: sure - I know. Was no accuse
Sep 09 20:39:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: I don't see how gprs could affect PMU. And as long as kernel still running and PMU not misconfigured, a 8sec powerpress should create some kind of reaction
Sep 09 20:43:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> so aiui when kernel can't oops during suspend, and resume should enable screen backlight, there is only a pmu misconfig left, that's so severe that not even cpu can resume the system, e.g. on usbcharger insert or modem irq
Sep 09 21:18:40 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * raf2430bde1db 10/opimd-notifier: opimd-notifier: don't display Reply button in messages from unsupported sources
Sep 09 21:20:09 <rhkfin_> dos1|neo: any changes of adding 'call' button to option menu when showing the list of SMS's. Now I need to open a SMS to be able to press option -> call.
Sep 09 21:22:46 <dos1|neo> rhkfin_: shouldn't be hard even for non C-programmer. do it and send patch ;)
Sep 09 21:23:39 <rhkfin_> ha!
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