**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 10 02:59:57 2009 Sep 10 06:15:51 hi, how would I set the keyboard layout of a bluetooth keyboard? Sep 10 06:16:12 there doesn't appear to be an xorg.conf to mess with Sep 10 06:18:11 ntosme21, in hal fdi policy, probably Sep 10 06:18:20 ntosme21, such things get hotplugged I think Sep 10 06:18:42 cz_jc: hmm google time! Sep 10 06:18:51 ntosme21, also theres setxkbmap and friends if you wanna do it manually Sep 10 06:19:13 cz_jc: setxkbmap is not there on SHR Sep 10 06:19:21 ntosme21: btw, are you using kdrive or x.org? Because iirc kdrive had some issues. Sep 10 06:19:51 * cz_jc uses Xorg on Gentoo and has no problems ^^ Sep 10 06:20:38 PaulFertser: I'm not positive what SHR uses, but there are config files in /etc/X11 so I'll assume x.org Sep 10 06:21:10 cz_jc: ah a fellow gentooer Sep 10 06:21:12 PaulFertser: do you mean Xglamo or x.org? or kdrive == Xglamo? Sep 10 06:21:26 ntosme21, you said you have shr on your phone Sep 10 06:22:05 cz_jc: sorry, I have gentoo on the desktop Sep 10 06:23:20 ntosme21: nah, i'm told SHR is still using xglamo. Sep 10 06:23:31 JaMa: kdrive == xglamo Sep 10 06:24:13 PaulFertser: ok, so how does that relate to keyboard mappings? Sep 10 06:24:28 I'm using Xorg with xf86-video-glamo from git.. but I'm not sure what difference there is Sep 10 06:24:36 I'm using x.org in my version of SHR, but hal-based input hotpluging disabled... Sep 10 06:24:41 isn't hal subsystem the same on that minimal xorg ? Sep 10 06:25:52 ntosme21: because kdrive doesn't support xmodmap/xkb in the same way as x.org. Sep 10 06:26:31 PaulFertser: ah Sep 10 06:27:06 And anyway kdrive is deprecated unsupported etc etc. Sep 10 07:35:45 larsc: ping Sep 10 09:43:06 hi Sep 10 09:43:08 PaulFertser: ping Sep 10 09:43:16 PaulFertser: 2.6.31 is out! Sep 10 09:43:45 khiraly_bk: i know :D Sep 10 09:43:53 khiraly_bk: i've already ping larsc to coordinate with him. Sep 10 09:44:45 helloooo Sep 10 09:45:40 PaulFertser: I wnat the 2.6.31+KMS+improved wifi+improved gprs+BFS sheduler+everything asap!;-) Sep 10 09:46:08 when we're at wifi Sep 10 09:46:22 I have a gentoo system with stock wireless-utils on my Freerunner Sep 10 09:46:26 and I can't set WEP key index for some reason Sep 10 09:46:40 (iwconfig key goes ok but afterwards, iwconfig lists no key) Sep 10 09:46:48 cz_jc: that's probably one of known issues, you have to set essid first or something. Sep 10 09:46:59 when I input key without index, it stays there until I set essid Sep 10 09:47:09 PaulFertser, yeah, I tried setting essid before that too Sep 10 09:47:21 works if WEP has no alternate index Sep 10 09:48:04 cz_jc: have you checked "System Software" category at OM trac? I plan to actually use it for tracking bugs. Sep 10 09:48:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r9828afec5b68 10/ (tests/testeina.vala vapi/elm.vapi): elm.vapi: add Index object as per upstream SVN rev 42379 Sep 10 09:49:11 cz_jc: tbh i don't know wtf is WEP key index. I either use WPA or fully open networks. And i aircracked neighbour's wifi but it is just one plain WEP key, no index. Sep 10 09:51:29 PaulFertser: are you aware of any website, where the smd packages sizes are specified? Sep 10 09:51:41 khiraly_bk: yes, wikipedia has it ;) Sep 10 09:51:42 ie. 0805 is how much WxH? Sep 10 09:51:59 3.5x2.8mm corresponds to which package? Thats the question Sep 10 09:52:00 khiraly_bk: 0805 is ~4x2.5mm iirc. Sep 10 09:52:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0805#Package_sizes Sep 10 09:52:58 PaulFertser, I don't know exactly either Sep 10 09:53:02 because Im a bit confused Sep 10 09:53:02 PaulFertser, but supposedly, a WEP protected network can have multiple keys Sep 10 09:53:06 PaulFertser, for example you give key #2 only to students and #1 you have for yourself Sep 10 09:53:08 you change #2 every year and #1 stays the same so you don't have to reconfigure Sep 10 09:53:14 khiraly_bk: oh, wrong Sep 10 09:53:14 I know WEP is a dead thing but we have it at school and only option for me to access internet from FR is to have laptop hidden in a dresser masquerading wifi network over bluetooth PAN XD Sep 10 09:53:27 khiraly_bk: 0805 is 2x1.25 of course. Sep 10 09:53:31 PaulFertser, anyway I'll have a look at the trac, thanks Sep 10 09:53:40 on that wiki page they say tantalum capacitors comes in different sizes: # EIA 3528-12 (Kemet T, AVX T): 3.5 mm × 2.8 mm × 1.2 mm # EIA 3528-21 (Kemet B, AVX B): 3.5 mm × 2.8 mm × 2.1 mm Sep 10 09:53:52 ie. not 0805, but some EIA ... number Sep 10 09:54:09 cz_jc: have you already tried bluetooth PAN? Sep 10 09:54:31 PaulFertser, I'm just about to, once I revert my broken system from backup Sep 10 09:54:33 cz_jc: because i was first to describe how to use it with bluez4 properly on wiki but got no feedback whatsoever. Sep 10 09:54:38 PaulFertser, I see no reason why it wouldn't work Sep 10 09:55:01 cz_jc: because one can hardly find not bluez3-specific instructions on net. Sep 10 09:55:01 PaulFertser, since bt in fr is standard usb ohci, isn't it ? Sep 10 09:55:08 ooooh no no no don't tell me BT is broken in FR :/ Sep 10 09:55:33 cz_jc: btw, probably some aspects of BT are in fact broken, but i'm yet to "prove" that. Sep 10 09:55:44 cz_jc: because one can hardly find not bluez3-specific instructions on net. Sep 10 09:56:24 noo I thought it was a normal OHCI Sep 10 09:56:27 cz_jc: btw, your laptop would have to be <10m away since it's about the maximum BT range. Sep 10 09:56:30 * cz_jc cries Sep 10 09:56:32 cz_jc: don't mess layers! Sep 10 09:56:50 cz_jc: BT in fr is usual BT connected to usb. No odds here. Sep 10 09:57:05 great Sep 10 09:57:10 then it should NORMALLY support PAN Sep 10 09:57:18 no hacks, no missing wireless extensions Sep 10 09:57:19 cz_jc: but before i wrote one i couldn't find a decent instruction how to use PAN with current (4.xx) bluez version. Sep 10 09:57:38 I'll try it :) Sep 10 09:58:50 cz_jc: to see all bugs i'm going to care about, use http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=in_testing&status=new&status=reopened&component=System+Software&order=priority Sep 10 09:59:26 PaulFertser, if its a bluez problem, why would we fill it in OM tracker ? Sep 10 09:59:27 cz_jc: only those that have component "System Software" will get attention. All others should go elsewhere. Sep 10 09:59:34 cz_jc: WTF Sep 10 09:59:44 since if its a normal usb bt ohci adapter connected to usb, how could it be OM fault if bt doesn't work ? Sep 10 09:59:53 cz_jc: wtf don't you understand me? Is my english _that_ bad? Sep 10 10:00:20 Oh is my mind messed up? Sep 10 10:00:26 mine is probably Sep 10 10:01:02 cz_jc: wifi should work with any wep variant. Sep 10 10:01:12 cz_jc: you say you can't set key, so it should be investigated. Sep 10 10:01:21 PaulFertser, I gave up on FR's wifi adapter Sep 10 10:01:26 cz_jc: but first check the relevant bug reports to not make a duplicate. Sep 10 10:02:32 anyway once I have my backup back, I'll provide you with any debugging info you'd want.. I tried to look at the sources but they're way complicated for me :/ Sep 10 10:02:46 PaulFertser: hi! let's see... what was the wifi module you suggested to install? Sep 10 10:02:54 cz_jc: if you don't report bug and nobody else is having the same issues, you're sol, i'm not going to try to guess on my own how to reproduce it. Sep 10 10:02:56 PaulFertser, for starters, in case lower layer supports it, maybe it would be easy to do modulation forcing Sep 10 10:03:09 DocScrutinizer-8: ar6000 kernel module, there's a separate package for that. Sep 10 10:03:28 yeah and its config info says 'Good luck.' hehe Sep 10 10:03:31 PaulFertser: called ar6000 I guess Sep 10 10:07:20 PaulFertser: opkg install ar6000 ? Sep 10 10:07:41 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset/4704 Sep 10 10:07:48 no --force-overwrite or anything? Sep 10 10:07:48 - wep.c (main, usage): accept key index as optional argument Sep 10 10:08:06 DocScrutinizer-8: opkg install kernel-module-ar6000 Sep 10 10:08:07 I guess Sep 10 10:08:10 apparently its implemented but wireless-utils communicate it incorrectly then Sep 10 10:08:48 cz_jc: i'll try to take a look. Won't probably happen really soon because we want to get .31 running. Sep 10 10:09:03 PaulFertser, sure :) thanks :) Sep 10 10:09:11 yo Sep 10 10:09:33 cz_jc: it's not the driver code, it's Werner's test utility. Sep 10 10:09:52 PaulFertser, yeah, if that util uses wep index, driver must support it, no ? Sep 10 10:10:05 as for kernel... lemme look Sep 10 10:10:11 cz_jc: i've no idea what that utility was used for. Sep 10 10:11:41 PaulFertser: reboot or rmmod? Sep 10 10:11:51 cz_jc: fyi the kernel code is hosted in git since early 2008 Sep 10 10:11:57 depmod -a? even? Sep 10 10:11:58 DocScrutinizer-8: rmmod ar6000 && modprobe ar6000 Sep 10 10:12:06 PaulFertser, I know... Sep 10 10:12:08 DocScrutinizer-8: i guess it's unnecessary... Sep 10 10:12:19 PaulFertser, I pull it from git, I don't like my kernel any other way XD Sep 10 10:12:43 cz_jc: i know what you mean :) Sep 10 10:13:51 its just I don't have a repo clone here with me (I'm at school) so searching is taking loong :/ Sep 10 10:14:32 user.debug kernel: [44433443.43] HIFInit ?? Sep 10 10:15:17 aah I see ar6k moved from the root driver directory :) Sep 10 10:15:28 its beginning to get love ^^ Sep 10 10:16:12 DocScrutinizer-8: yes, HIFInit, i didn't touch that old printk. Sep 10 10:16:44 there's enough of them on powering up wifi ;-) Sep 10 10:17:27 user.warn... Sep 10 10:17:33 cz_jc: not really. imho the parts that directly deal with linux networking stack should be rewrited, there's no other way. But there're still bugs in the firmware and atheros still don't give us a way to update it. Sep 10 10:18:08 PaulFertser, btw. do you have any datasheet except the 2 page one where theres just pinout and info how its great ? Sep 10 10:18:17 I'd LOVE to hack an SDIO wifi module :) Sep 10 10:19:12 cz_jc: go ahead! :-DD Sep 10 10:19:24 daataaasheeet Sep 10 10:19:39 cz_jc: nah, even nobody in OM has that. Sep 10 10:19:47 :/ Sep 10 10:20:25 cz_jc: there's an almost pin-to-pin compatible module with Marvell chip on it, that one probably has more info or better driver (libertas). Sep 10 10:20:30 so basically, you entirely depend on atheros people for writing the driver ? Sep 10 10:20:38 wooohoo, finds my wep AP Sep 10 10:20:57 cz_jc: the driver was written by Atheros, then ported to linux SDIO stack by Werner. Sep 10 10:21:14 cz_jc: i don't think he got any help from A. Sep 10 10:21:18 PaulFertser, and the original atheros driver has all the features a normal wifi adapter has ? Sep 10 10:21:45 yeah.. thats a huge undertaking.. Sep 10 10:21:48 cz_jc: like monitor, ap and injection? No, they're not exposed by the firmware. Sep 10 10:21:51 especially without a datasheet Sep 10 10:22:03 PaulFertser, thats cruel to the hacker crowd :/ Sep 10 10:22:40 mokonnect network config wifi "Apply" -> freeeeeeze Sep 10 10:23:13 :-/ Sep 10 10:23:13 cz_jc: probably something will change, probably not. Luis (who's currently working for Atheros) promised to try. Sep 10 10:23:30 DocScrutinizer-8: can you try the manual method please? I guess mokoconnect is broken. Sep 10 10:23:40 DocScrutinizer-8: or "nwa" gui software. Sep 10 10:24:30 i guess there's more broken than just mokonnect. Or how is a userland app suggested to freeze the whole device? Sep 10 10:25:07 its great to hear someone still works on the Freerunner, I appreciate it Sep 10 10:25:54 DocScrutinizer-8: well, the driver is really far from ideal. Sep 10 10:26:07 DocScrutinizer-8: but i can try to fix something i can reproduce Sep 10 10:26:27 * DocScrutinizer-8 mumbles and removes battery Sep 10 10:27:25 I should postpone this until I got some brunch, I guess :-S Sep 10 10:30:31 Deubeuliou: here ? Sep 10 10:30:37 yep Sep 10 10:31:05 Deubeuliou: Ainulindale just told me that Mirko Lindner was at Bearstech today ? Sep 10 10:31:26 Deubeuliou: could you propose him so that we eat together at lunch ? Sep 10 10:31:28 yesterday, and the day bofore Sep 10 10:32:22 ah, he's right here Sep 10 10:32:36 yeah, it's ok Sep 10 10:32:57 I'm coming Sep 10 10:36:15 * DocScrutinizer-8 mumbles and removes battery, once more Sep 10 10:39:30 kernel-module-ar6000; BUG. Pressing "apply" in mokonnect freezes complete device. No aux flashing Sep 10 10:40:25 DocScrutinizer-8: :( Sep 10 10:40:41 hiya all Sep 10 10:40:46 DocScrutinizer-8: does watchdog work? Sep 10 10:40:49 hiya PaulFertser DocScrutinizer-8 Sep 10 10:41:37 lindi-: not even 8sec-powerpress works. No watchdog here though Sep 10 10:42:19 DocScrutinizer-8: debian? Sep 10 10:42:25 shr Sep 10 10:42:32 DocScrutinizer-8: then I don't know :( Sep 10 10:42:56 in debian it's the package 'watchdog' and the kernel module 's3c2410_wdt' Sep 10 10:46:56 DocScrutinizer-8: I have the same, If I try pressing the power button, I get flashing. Sep 10 10:48:00 Daramarak: no reaction whatsoever on *any* action here. Only action left over: remove bat Sep 10 10:49:28 DocScrutinizer-8: That is the only resolution I found too, but I was able to get it to flash. Sounds still like the same bug. Sep 10 10:50:21 It is 100% reproducable on my home access point. Sep 10 10:50:54 Daramarak: with the latest kernel? Can you give instructions how to reproduce? Sep 10 10:51:30 But I only get it on mokonnect. When using NWA it only have problems connecting. Sep 10 10:52:05 PaulFertser: I only manage to reproduce it on my accesspoint home, with an WEP enabled network. Sep 10 10:52:15 PaulFertser: Other AP gives me no pain. Sep 10 10:53:07 Daramarak: probably i can configure my hostapd to be WEP and try it too. But i'd need reproducing with some more basic tools, not mokonnect or NWA. Sep 10 10:53:23 I ran an upgrade on shr-unstable last week, Ill have to check my phone to find out more on what the current kernel version is. Sep 10 10:53:49 Daramarak: last week? probably not recent enough. Sep 10 10:54:17 Daramarak: ar6000 revision should be a35... Sep 10 10:54:42 PaulFertser: Ok, ill try upgrading tonight, to see if it persists. Sep 10 10:55:46 NWA uses wpa-supplicant, I do not know what mokonnect relies on? Sep 10 10:56:02 hmm, so I'll do upgrade as well. If system is non-opearable after that, it's even more easy for me to switch back to M800 Sep 10 10:58:45 PaulFertser: Any way to check the revision from the phone via the terminal? Sep 10 11:03:24 Daramarak: uname -a Sep 10 11:03:40 Daramarak: i think if you upgraded everything your kernel should have been upgraded too. Sep 10 11:05:18 1. sept, 29-rc3 Sep 10 11:07:12 Daramarak: kernel-module-ar6000_2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5_om-gta02.ipk 01-Sep-2009 Sep 10 11:07:20 PaulFertser: I shooted a mail;) Sep 10 11:11:02 khiraly_bk: at me? Sep 10 11:11:17 to community. Sep 10 11:11:23 but you can read too Sep 10 11:11:24 ;) Sep 10 11:12:16 bbl Sep 10 11:36:39 how to remove locally added commits in git ? Sep 10 11:36:55 dcordes, git reset Sep 10 11:37:19 mrmoku: nah Sep 10 11:37:23 mrmoku: are you here again? Sep 10 11:37:26 git reset HEAD^ Sep 10 11:37:27 mrmoku: did you applied the midori patch and webkit patches? Sep 10 11:37:28 PaulFertser, yep Sep 10 11:37:31 yep Sep 10 11:37:36 Heinervdm, ^ Sep 10 11:37:37 dcordes: git reset Sep 10 11:37:50 to reset to Sep 10 11:37:50 ok Sep 10 11:37:59 PaulFertser, and btw... I did *not* hear the whispers :D Sep 10 11:38:10 (which means I'm still on the safe side ;) Sep 10 11:38:11 mrmoku: then you can apply the eve patch too, because the current reciepe isn't buildable ;) Sep 10 11:38:14 mrmoku: is it a good or a bad sign? Sep 10 11:38:37 PaulFertser, well... I would say a good one :) Sep 10 11:38:48 mrmoku: ready to fix issues now? Sep 10 11:39:01 mrmoku: i still can't understand you guys using kdrive :-/ Sep 10 11:39:04 oh no linuxtogo git is down! Sep 10 11:39:12 PaulFertser, but that worked, thanks Sep 10 11:39:26 Heinervdm, I did not apply that one because it is setting a different EFLREV... Sep 10 11:39:33 we should finally bump it Sep 10 11:39:39 (if not already done...) Sep 10 11:39:48 PaulFertser, yeah, sad thing (kdrive) Sep 10 11:40:05 mrmoku: also it would be very nice to either use a sane shell by default (bash or even dash) or tweak busybox config to make incremental history search and common readline keybindings supported. Sep 10 11:40:42 PaulFertser, IIRC bash gets pulled in as a dep of something anyway... so yes Sep 10 11:41:08 mrmoku: _default_ shell Sep 10 11:41:20 PaulFertser, I know... just wanted to say it is installed anyway Sep 10 11:41:26 so we can set it as default ;) Sep 10 11:41:40 (without wasting space by installing) Sep 10 11:42:02 mrmoku: you'll be bitten by some issues, DocScrutinizer-8 already tried that. Sep 10 11:42:43 mrmoku: btw, i'd prefer dash. I don't think bashisms are necessary and dash works faster. Sep 10 11:42:46 PaulFertser, setting bash as default? Sep 10 11:42:58 mrmoku: yes, nodm script didn't like it iirc. Sep 10 11:43:19 mrmoku: also please fix tar! Either allow -z in busybox conf or use real tar. Sep 10 11:43:22 PaulFertser: I was stupid and keen enough to have a ~/.profile. It had a typo Sep 10 11:43:48 this killed nodm Sep 10 11:43:50 mwester, ping :) ^^^ Sep 10 11:44:18 mrmoku: OE default conf wants to have busybox as is. But FR is not that constrained. Sep 10 11:44:44 mrmoku: so just roll out your own busybox conf if you really prefer busybox. Sep 10 11:44:57 basically there's nothing wrong with cash for default. More the root == default-user is the problem ;-) Sep 10 11:44:58 PaulFertser, I remember mwester said he could tweak our busybox config to be more sane... Sep 10 11:45:11 * mrmoku likes default cash ;) Sep 10 11:45:22 lol cash Sep 10 11:45:26 Bash Sep 10 11:45:32 :) Sep 10 11:45:41 mrmoku: he probably still can if he's not extremely busy but you should don't forget to remind him every now and then. Sep 10 11:45:50 mrmoku: there is another problem with with the eflrev of eve, any later version of eve as 41151 won't compile with webkit-efl-0.1 so we have to set this fix until we can compile a later webkit-efl version Sep 10 11:46:31 Heinervdm, hmm... using mixed EFLREVs frightens me somehow Sep 10 11:46:59 Heinervdm, are you sure it does not depend on some stuff and then segfault badly? ;) Sep 10 11:47:20 Heinervdm, but if you say it is ok, I will apply it Sep 10 11:47:25 just wanted to talk about it :) Sep 10 11:48:59 LOL Sep 10 11:49:32 mrmoku: it has no "auswirkungen" to E, don't know if it will segfault in the future. But now it's still not really useable because fingerscrolling isn't working Sep 10 11:49:43 Heinervdm, ok Sep 10 11:49:44 * mrmoku applies Sep 10 11:52:19 PaulFertser, any kernel news? Sep 10 11:54:14 hi mrmoku Sep 10 11:55:11 David Lanzendör wrote a patch to the old shr devel list to build an image for HTC dream. is it possible to build an image for htc dream? Sep 10 11:56:34 playya, saw that while skimming the mails... sure we will want that Sep 10 11:56:38 s/wrote/sent/ Sep 10 11:56:38 playya meant: David Lanzendör sent a patch to the old shr devel list to build an image for HTC dream. is it possible to build an image for htc dream? Sep 10 11:56:40 though IIRC audio is till not working Sep 10 11:56:46 +s Sep 10 11:57:00 no. not yet. but afaik he's working on it Sep 10 11:58:12 mrmoku: i got gta01 and will slowly find my ways to improve its support Sep 10 11:58:41 PaulFertser, great thing :) Sep 10 12:01:53 mrmoku, just talking to david. he's working on it and it should be fixed soon Sep 10 12:02:05 he's fighting against bitbake ;) Sep 10 12:03:56 playya, to build the kernel? Or SHR in general? Sep 10 12:04:08 to build an image Sep 10 12:04:14 mrmoku: i simplified the midori reciepe to much... I will send an update for it... Sep 10 12:06:02 is it safe to do opkg update,opkg upgrade @ SHR unstable? Sep 10 12:06:30 sometime ... Sep 10 12:06:48 I would like someone to tell me about the last time Sep 10 12:06:56 mrmoku, i think shr and other stuff Sep 10 12:09:10 playya, it's the first day I'm back and I still have to catch up with mails and daywork... but I can start to look integrate support for it into our Makefile tomorrow I think Sep 10 12:09:42 PaulFertser: thanks for the feedback on community ml! Sep 10 12:09:55 ok. thx Sep 10 12:10:19 <_phil> will the openmoko kernel be merged with 2.6.31 ? Sep 10 12:10:58 _phil: read up the recent mails on community mailing lists. There are more details, but yes, there will be a patchset for 2.6.31. Sep 10 12:11:04 Heinervdm, applied Sep 10 12:11:21 bbiab Sep 10 12:11:40 khiraly1: np Sep 10 12:11:58 PaulFertser: the pieces are coming together;) Sep 10 12:15:02 "Tata DoCoMo launches per-character SMS pricing" ;-) Sep 10 12:15:05 khiraly1: (bfs) i'm still not convinced. Sep 10 12:15:15 kernel-module-zaurus?? o.O Sep 10 12:15:39 khiraly1: wl500 result looks interesting but it's probably either a mistake in measurements or a serious bug in mainline kernel or some very specific workload. Sep 10 12:15:39 PaulFertser: (bfs) we should tackle it, when everything else got fixed Sep 10 12:15:40 ;) Sep 10 12:23:26 PaulFertser: imho if people want bfs, they should patch their own kernel. there are already too many things to fix/improve in OM kernel to add some more workload due to bfs Sep 10 12:25:37 rtp: yes, that's what i think too. Sep 10 12:26:18 rtp: btw, are you using your GTA01 for something? We've already found one trick that doubles suspend time. Sep 10 12:26:27 rtp: the fix will follow soon Sep 10 12:26:42 rtp: but you can manually turn off the amp in alsamixer prior to suspending. Sep 10 12:27:14 PaulFertser: currently, it's in my bag as 'backup' phone in case I'm running out of battery :) Sep 10 12:28:18 PaulFertser: but I plan to update my shr image and play more with the kernel messages so if you need testing, I should be able to help Sep 10 12:29:23 PaulFertser: btw, never got any hard freeze while using bluetooth headset to listen music ? Sep 10 12:30:40 kernel-module-mts-gsm. It's really funny to watch opkg upgrade :-P Sep 10 12:31:04 kernel-module-trancevibrator_2 - lol Sep 10 12:31:33 DocScrutinizer-8: gah... iirc, there are already been some messages about getting too many kernel modules installed by default. too bad, nothing has been done :( Sep 10 12:31:44 rtp: i don't really need testing as i can now measure currents etc myself. Sep 10 12:31:45 err s/-mts/-firmaware-mts/ Sep 10 12:32:01 PaulFertser: ok Sep 10 12:32:23 rtp: but of course i want to hear about all reproducible problems. Sep 10 12:32:53 too bad the image won't fit on gta01 then, with all those funny kernel-modules Sep 10 12:35:17 hi Sep 10 12:35:25 PaulFertser: do you have the glamo mmc specs ? looks like some time the controller is getting upset and is not able to recover :( Sep 10 12:36:20 DocScrutinizer-8: well, there are other packages which are preventing the image to fit iirc. Sep 10 12:36:23 rtp: I wouldn't feel surprised Sep 10 12:36:35 rtp: Lars has the specs and skills. Sep 10 12:36:41 not an that one either Sep 10 12:37:07 is ophonekitd working after the latest shr-update? Sep 10 12:38:06 or the other way around: mine not, saying dbus is not available Sep 10 12:38:30 PaulFertser: my experience when I was fighting the 2410 mmc is telling me that mmc related problems are hard to reproduce unless you have very same test conditions so I'll prefer having the infos at hand :( Sep 10 12:43:20 Can I correct ext4 e2fsck? Sep 10 12:43:32 *sigh* upgrade takes forever and longer Sep 10 12:44:32 amazing how many new files a system needs after 10 days to be up to date o.O Sep 10 12:47:01 note to myself: only start upgrade if no phone needed for next 8h Sep 10 12:48:30 DocScrutinizer-8, just the kernel is enough to keep it busy upgrading for quite some time :( Sep 10 12:48:53 yeah, plus libs Sep 10 12:49:15 all unchanged except vor version tag probably :-(( Sep 10 12:49:20 for Sep 10 12:49:22 DocScrutinizer-8: Could you remind me too. I tend to do it on a whim, without considering the consequences. Sep 10 12:49:38 same here dar Sep 10 12:50:59 DocScrutinizer-8: It is kind of hard to explain to my partner, I cannot use my phone for the next couple of hours, the kernel is upgrading :) Sep 10 12:51:21 lol, yeah Sep 10 12:55:17 well, downloading and applying a binary diff to all the modules for sure was 1000times faster Sep 10 12:58:16 download for sure, applying maybe takes a few minutes then Sep 10 13:00:50 ~. Sep 10 13:01:02 whoops.. SSH fail Sep 10 13:01:15 hehe Sep 10 13:02:15 the net connection here is like jelly Sep 10 13:03:35 kernel-module-belkin-sa Sep 10 13:13:35 hmm, ppp0 RX bytes: 17MiB Sep 10 13:14:18 hope this crap will finish before gprs 24h timeout kills it Sep 10 13:15:28 khiraly1: (bfs) http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125240344125338&w=3 Sep 10 13:16:12 assuming it's just upgrading the whole system, ommiting my private files, this will probably take another... oooh, bbl Sep 10 13:20:00 * DocScrutinizer-8 considers hot-removing SIM and instantly swapping to M800, to survive next 21 days Sep 10 13:20:24 DocScrutinizer-8: hmm, for me it finished ;) Sep 10 13:20:41 * mrmoku reboots to see if it works too :P Sep 10 13:20:45 basically that's all unbearable Sep 10 13:22:09 * DocScrutinizer-8 start a list of advantages of FR over 8 year old Nokia 6210 - usability wise Sep 10 13:22:59 * DocScrutinizer-8 thinks hard to find a first point Sep 10 13:23:05 DocScrutinizer-8: Mokomaze Sep 10 13:23:29 DocScrutinizer-8: IRC capable :P Sep 10 13:23:56 mrmoku: really?? see my yesterday comments on that one Sep 10 13:24:50 if capable means you *can* do it if you *want* then you're right Sep 10 13:24:58 * mrmoku still has to decide if he wants to read two weeks of #openmoko-devel backlog ;) Sep 10 13:25:26 DocScrutinizer-8: It keeps you occupied, "Idle hands are the devil's tools" you know. You don't want that do you? Sep 10 13:26:17 heh, it heard my rant, started configuring Sep 10 13:26:48 DocScrutinizer-8, well be prepared for some surprise :P Sep 10 13:27:04 * mrmoku lost all his icons and has a python exception in frameworkd.log :( Sep 10 13:27:36 mrmoku: shall I upload photos of how device looks after correct treatment? ;-P Sep 10 13:28:18 DocScrutinizer-8, well... seeing a FR treated by a hammer would make me sad :P Sep 10 13:28:22 * DocScrutinizer-8 goes search for the axe Sep 10 13:29:07 this is definitely last chance for all that shit today, at least here Sep 10 13:29:40 hehe... can't even play mokomaze now ;) Sep 10 13:31:37 k, init 6 Sep 10 13:32:05 Heinervdm, any idea about that? http://pastebin.com/d7d644475 Sep 10 13:32:30 # Sep 10 13:32:31 ValueError: bad marshal data Sep 10 13:34:33 mrmoku: no idea Sep 10 13:34:39 hmm Sep 10 13:34:46 DOS1 PING ;) Sep 10 13:35:10 mrmoku: at least icons still there Sep 10 13:36:19 hmm Sep 10 13:36:48 mrmoku: you were away for holiday too long ;-) Sep 10 13:37:13 DocScrutinizer-8, well... I upgraded during the holiday too :P Sep 10 13:37:23 hmm Sep 10 13:37:53 DocScrutinizer-8, does frameworkd start for you? Sep 10 13:38:03 I mean start *and* work? Sep 10 13:38:05 looks like Sep 10 13:38:34 at least dims screen Sep 10 13:39:18 outbound call ok Sep 10 13:39:57 interesting... Sep 10 13:40:48 well let's kill ecerything another time with mokonnect "apply" wifi Sep 10 13:41:22 DocScrutinizer-8: Now you are talking. Sep 10 13:43:25 yeah, took a few seconds. was able to switch screens with < > . Now luckily everything back to "normal"... Removing bat Sep 10 13:43:58 Nice, did it associate to the AP too? Sep 10 13:44:04 aaaah, got a kernel panic this time. Nice :-) Sep 10 13:44:44 :¨( Sep 10 13:45:01 Daramarak: how could I tell? watch AP logs? Sep 10 13:45:24 I honestly doubt though it did Sep 10 13:45:48 DocScrutinizer-8: I misunderstood, thought it actually worked. Sep 10 13:46:43 DocScrutinizer-8: Is you AP open? Sep 10 13:46:51 no WEP Sep 10 13:46:56 mickeyl, hey :) Sep 10 13:47:05 welcome back mrmoku ! Sep 10 13:47:10 mickeyl, thanks Sep 10 13:47:16 mickeyl, any idea about http://pastebin.com/d7d644475 Sep 10 13:47:17 relaxed and fresh? Sep 10 13:47:21 mickeyl, yup Sep 10 13:47:24 cool Sep 10 13:47:31 two weeks without internet :) Sep 10 13:47:36 hehe, sounds good Sep 10 13:47:36 mrmoku: will change fast ;-P Sep 10 13:47:48 (pastebin) corrupted .pyc or .pyo Sep 10 13:47:56 try removing all of those Sep 10 13:48:01 and let them regenerate Sep 10 13:48:01 mickeyl, ahh ok :) Sep 10 13:49:03 mickeyl, how can something like that happen? Sep 10 13:49:15 crash during creating the files Sep 10 13:49:17 fs corruption Sep 10 13:49:21 rare Sep 10 13:49:32 PaulFertser: wifi issue changed marginally or not at all on upgrade Sep 10 13:49:41 hmmm... I just upgraded... upgrade finished fine and then I rebooted Sep 10 13:50:43 but wait - - should update-copy boot uImage Sep 10 13:51:06 DocScrutinizer-8, yep Sep 10 13:52:06 * mickeyl just signed in to rent an office Sep 10 13:52:21 out of the dark... into the light ;) Sep 10 13:52:25 mickeyl: nice! Sep 10 13:52:40 can't stand the home office any longer :) Sep 10 13:53:22 aah, I liked it. was so rf- and ir-shielded Sep 10 13:54:04 hehe Sep 10 13:54:13 ideal to survive atomic tests and supernovae ;-) Sep 10 13:54:14 well, it's still there, so i can use it if i want :) Sep 10 13:54:29 good Sep 10 13:54:36 but it's going to help me create a more regular workday Sep 10 13:54:53 i *know* that :-/ Sep 10 13:55:03 mickeyl, uhh yeah... that is difficult if you work at home Sep 10 13:55:07 * mrmoku knows that too :-/ Sep 10 13:55:49 DocScrutinizer-8, what screws do I have to open to arrive at the AUX button? Sep 10 13:55:54 it does not work anymore :( Sep 10 13:56:04 ouch Sep 10 13:56:23 mrmoku: there's only 2 screws on FR Sep 10 13:56:47 the two small torx ones on one side? Sep 10 13:56:54 yep Sep 10 13:57:59 ok, last wifi-kill for today... then brunch Sep 10 13:59:40 instant freeze. no auxflash this time Sep 10 14:00:11 so...: Sep 10 14:01:16 kernel-module-ar6000; BUG. Pressing "apply" in mokonnect freezes complete device. No aux flashing Sep 10 14:01:29 still holds true Sep 10 14:01:45 atheros really fscked us with that firmware Sep 10 14:01:47 *sigh* Sep 10 14:02:07 oooh, now aux flashing. took a few minutes ;-) Sep 10 14:02:22 megaoops Sep 10 14:02:31 whatever THAT might indicate Sep 10 14:02:39 DocScrutinizer-8: Better update the bug then. Sep 10 14:02:48 ouch... the switch has broken contacts on one side :( Sep 10 14:02:48 huh?? Sep 10 14:03:06 mrmoku: immediately fix that Sep 10 14:03:24 otherwise PCB might break. Pads go off Sep 10 14:03:39 DocScrutinizer-8, well... it was broken for some time :P Sep 10 14:04:26 mickeyl, can OM sue Atheros for doing a defective chip ? Sep 10 14:04:49 DocScrutinizer-8, will try Sep 10 14:04:51 * mrmoku shudders Sep 10 14:05:12 mrmoku: til now it's been protected by case. DO NOT operate switch without case around before you fixed it Sep 10 14:05:52 DocScrutinizer-8, ok Sep 10 14:07:03 * mrmoku goes downstairs to search his soldering iron ... Sep 10 14:07:27 cz_jc: i'm afraid not. even if so, what would it gain them? there's not enough money in that to roll on another phone Sep 10 14:08:03 mickeyl, I don't know, maybe Atheros could be forced to repair it ? Sep 10 14:08:15 i.e. write a new firmware and supply datasheet Sep 10 14:08:32 OM has no lawyers that could win such a case Sep 10 14:08:42 too bad... Sep 10 14:08:59 lesson learned... next time use softmac Sep 10 14:09:00 * DocScrutinizer-8 puts away the axe (for now) Sep 10 14:09:35 mickeyl: yup Sep 10 14:10:42 though softmac is greedy wrt energy and can't do decent wake-from-wifi Sep 10 14:11:52 sure, it's all about compromises Sep 10 14:12:07 for gps we luckily went from "softmac" to "hardmac" Sep 10 14:12:19 yes Sep 10 14:12:20 for wifi we'd been better up vice versa Sep 10 14:12:33 maybe. not sure Sep 10 14:12:44 or another vendor... Sep 10 14:13:07 if you got no decent register specs you're lost nevertheless Sep 10 14:13:17 on softmac Sep 10 14:14:35 ideal is a hardmac with fw-update path and LTS from vendor, plus warranty to deliver funcionality Sep 10 14:16:29 and I guess that's exactly what you get from wifi vendors if your boiler plate is Nokia e.g., or HTC Sep 10 14:17:39 mickeyl: did you saw patch on trac about timestamp handling in sms? Sep 10 14:17:44 (fso trac) Sep 10 14:18:07 yeah, saw it. been waiting for alphaone to take care about it Sep 10 14:18:21 ok ;) Sep 10 14:18:21 DocScrutinizer-8, my iron offers 270°, 320° and 370° ... any advise? Sep 10 14:18:30 mrmoku: oh, did you return? :F Sep 10 14:18:32 :D* Sep 10 14:18:36 dos1, yup Sep 10 14:18:40 from my guts: 320 Sep 10 14:18:49 the golden middle :) Sep 10 14:19:35 though you want to solder to gndplane, so you might want have power. 370 Sep 10 14:19:50 ok Sep 10 14:20:21 and I just heat the two soldering points and slightly press the switch down? Sep 10 14:21:46 yep. if you have, apply solder paste, flux, or feed fine thin solder about 1/10 mm^2 Sep 10 14:22:15 * mrmoku goes back to the basement to see what he has around :P Sep 10 14:23:57 do not use plumbers flux! (oil, or big nasty bottles/tubes). Flux must be acid-free Sep 10 14:25:03 colophonium flux (aka resin flux) or even better no-clean flux Sep 10 14:25:10 oh man, now thats hacking Sep 10 14:25:32 Lötfett nach DIN EN 28454 3 1 1 C is what I found Sep 10 14:26:24 btw. Sep 10 14:26:29 hmmm Flußmittel zum Weichlöten von Kupferrohren und Fittings in der Kalt- und Warmwasserinstallation Sep 10 14:26:34 might not be what I need? Sep 10 14:26:40 is it just me or is it true that when you stick two cappacitors in parallel you increase cappacity ? Sep 10 14:27:24 in that case, wouldn't it be possible to do the bass fix by just sticking the cappacitor inside a larger headphone connector or something ? Sep 10 14:27:49 oooh no disregard stupid thing I just said :/ Sep 10 14:27:56 * cz_jc didn't realized its the decoupling cap Sep 10 14:28:06 and 1,0 mm/ø electronic solder... Sep 10 14:29:48 DocScrutinizer-8, will just try without that stuff? Sep 10 14:29:53 mrmoku: wash your hand after touching that loetfett ;-) Sep 10 14:30:15 otherwise it will etch away your whole FR Sep 10 14:30:32 hehe, ok Sep 10 14:31:12 mrmoku: use that 1mm solder very small amount Sep 10 14:32:03 ok, contains Pb though Sep 10 14:32:40 np Sep 10 14:34:01 switch is a mechanic component, even less problem with Pb Sep 10 14:34:45 could even result in more rigid solderpoints Sep 10 14:40:03 mrmoku: PROTECT YOUR SCREEN! Sep 10 14:40:42 and watch out with that LED Sep 10 14:45:49 DocScrutinizer-8, yay, looks like it worked out :D Sep 10 14:46:09 heh, you're the hero of the day :-D Sep 10 14:46:30 don't even remember the last time my AUX switch was giving a clicking sound :) Sep 10 14:46:37 now it does again :P Sep 10 14:46:53 DocScrutinizer-8, thanks very much :) Sep 10 14:47:18 if you want to do another little fancy, then apply a *very* small amount of acrylic glue from other side of PCB to the hole holding the fixing bolt of the switch Sep 10 14:47:33 dos1, any news? Sep 10 14:48:06 DocScrutinizer-8, hmm... closed and booted it already Sep 10 14:48:18 but sounds like a good idea to make it more robust Sep 10 14:51:16 mrmoku: well, it seems you did a better job than those assembler people hand-soldering the switches in Suzhou. So maybe you don't need it. OTOH it won't hurt if done correctly (means not flooding the switch interior with glue ;-) Sep 10 14:52:00 DocScrutinizer, hehe :) Sep 10 14:52:32 DocScrutinizer, lets see if it lasts... if not I will redo with glue as addition Sep 10 14:53:22 dos1, I upgraded and instead of the application icons I have only the txt file icon for all apps Sep 10 14:53:25 any idea about that? Sep 10 14:54:32 mrmoku: missing some *icon* packages, had the same problem Sep 10 14:55:15 mrmoku: hmm, probably the icon.png are not where they are supposed to be Sep 10 14:56:25 mrmoku: what's your shr-theme version? Sep 10 14:56:43 I didn't have a dialer icon until I upgraded/installed that manually Sep 10 14:56:51 blindcoder, shr-theme - 0.0.2+gitr758+9e3a8eb9cdcb848b28be0883c5f7a35a27dce649-r1 - Sep 10 14:57:03 okay, same here Sep 10 14:58:37 hmm, iirc dos1 polished some theme details. Maybe -force-reinstall Sep 10 14:59:14 DocScrutinizer-8, will try Sep 10 14:59:48 i just added new icons to shr-theme Sep 10 14:59:55 it works here ;x Sep 10 15:00:12 I guess something went wrong with my upgrade Sep 10 15:00:17 though it finished nicely Sep 10 15:00:32 mrmoku: first check if there's a *.png where icon key points to in *.desktop Sep 10 15:01:45 then illume-settings icon size comes to mind Sep 10 15:02:09 DocScrutinizer-8, the desktop files have relative paths Sep 10 15:02:17 and /usr/share/icons/shr contains them Sep 10 15:03:30 my ophonekitd isn't working after suspend Sep 10 15:04:29 can anybody help me? Sep 10 15:06:47 mrmoku: yep, and illume-iconsize settings specify which subdir (32, 48, etc) to look for them, I guess Sep 10 15:08:13 HI all I have got my NEO today Sep 10 15:08:26 hi Sep 10 15:11:47 DocScrutinizer-8, it is set to large (as allways)... and changing it makes no difference (apart from the txt icon getting bigger or smaller) Sep 10 15:13:18 mrmoku: no idea here Sep 10 15:13:50 dos1, what about a new unstable image? Sep 10 15:14:05 mrmoku: don't press your aux button that hard ;-) be a little gentle. cya Sep 10 15:14:15 DocScrutinizer, will try :) Sep 10 15:14:45 mrmoku: the image from 6.9. works for me Sep 10 15:15:01 to find which revision i have ..this is the outout i am getting /proc/cpuinfo --- Revision : 2442036 Sep 10 15:15:50 Heinervdm, ok, will try that one Sep 10 15:16:04 dos1, any reason you did not sync it (the new image)? Sep 10 15:16:19 mrmoku: didn't test it Sep 10 15:16:32 dos1, ok... will test and sync it then ;) Sep 10 15:18:13 my ophonekitd isn't working after suspend Sep 10 15:18:15 can anybody help me? Sep 10 15:18:54 klinuxer, what distro from when are you using? Sep 10 15:19:34 shr-unstable, upgraded last time today 2 hours ago Sep 10 15:20:27 log says nothing Sep 10 15:21:20 exact shr-version from /etc/shr-version: d79130b4d5c0ed800e7deaa468cfea300c2b65c6 Sep 10 15:21:43 klinuxer, so, it resumes but then ophonekitd is gone? or is it still there and not working? Sep 10 15:22:24 i think it is gone, don't know exactly .. Sep 10 15:27:57 Heinervdm, the light one is working for you? Sep 10 15:28:17 mrmoku: yes, only tested the light one Sep 10 15:28:27 Heinervdm, hmm... e is not starting for me Sep 10 15:28:31 it segfaults :( Sep 10 15:28:54 strange Sep 10 15:29:00 reboot Sep 10 15:29:13 e segfaults for me when the engine is set to software_16 and i want to select the theme in e-settings Sep 10 15:29:25 Heinervdm, yeah, will do Sep 10 15:29:38 klinuxer: that' Sep 10 15:29:40 under Look Sep 10 15:29:41 s known Sep 10 15:29:53 ah, ok Sep 10 15:30:12 klinuxer: it's only working with software Sep 10 15:30:13 hw do i find the hardware version of my Neo Sep 10 15:30:26 i think i don't like murphy's law Sep 10 15:30:58 now i suspended and let it wake up and ophonekitd was running and working ... strange .. Sep 10 15:31:00 UberNeo: wich distri do you have installes Sep 10 15:31:10 suspended the neo Sep 10 15:31:28 SHR ..tht too is installed by the reseller Sep 10 15:31:39 please tell me hw to start Sep 10 15:31:48 usb networking is done Sep 10 15:31:57 i can ssh into the neo Sep 10 15:32:07 how to start what? Sep 10 15:32:54 i want to download maps Sep 10 15:33:18 nice guide for shr is here: Sep 10 15:33:30 where??? Sep 10 15:33:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual Sep 10 15:33:53 here ;) Sep 10 15:34:14 hi, which is the standard browser in shr-u, can't find anything in the repos? Sep 10 15:34:26 UberNeo: your version is a A6 or newer Sep 10 15:34:37 hw to find that Sep 10 15:35:02 UberNeo: from Revision in /proc/cpuinfo Sep 10 15:35:03 you mean you want to download maps with tangogps? Sep 10 15:35:08 to find which revision i have ..this is the outout i am getting /proc/cpuinfo --- Revision : 2442036 Sep 10 15:35:16 ferluszt: midori Sep 10 15:35:19 this is wht i got Sep 10 15:35:32 UberNeo: last character Sep 10 15:35:47 36 Sep 10 15:35:57 UberNeo: if it's a newer revision you can only check by production date Sep 10 15:36:14 that's printer under the battery (as fas as i know) Sep 10 15:36:22 ya date is 20090317 Sep 10 15:36:43 root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list | grep midori Sep 10 15:36:43 root@om-gta02 ~ $ Sep 10 15:36:51 dont find it Sep 10 15:37:03 already opkg update 'd? Sep 10 15:37:12 yes Sep 10 15:37:18 UberNeo: then it should be a A7 with buzzfix Sep 10 15:37:25 :) Sep 10 15:37:39 mrmoku: can you build midori? Sep 10 15:37:57 for everything i am getting permisiion denied .. Sep 10 15:38:00 after ssh Sep 10 15:38:06 ähm no,.. Sep 10 15:38:18 root@om-gta02 /etc $ opkg list | grep midori Sep 10 15:38:19 -sh: opkg: Permission denied Sep 10 15:38:33 Heinervdm, after reboot all is fine Sep 10 15:38:49 Heinervdm, yeah, can try if I still find my way to the buildhost :P Sep 10 15:39:04 why is it so Sep 10 15:39:08 i also don't find midori Sep 10 15:39:08 mrmoku: why is the boot process nondeterministic? ;) Sep 10 15:39:26 UberNeo, ferluszt, klinuxer: mrmoku will build it Sep 10 15:39:30 i have logged in with root Sep 10 15:39:38 okok, thank you :) Sep 10 15:40:01 root@om-gta02 /etc $ opkg Sep 10 15:40:01 -sh: opkg: Permission denied Sep 10 15:40:12 mrmoku: deterministic = wrong expression :D Sep 10 15:40:17 Heinervdm, mrmoku: thanks Sep 10 15:40:18 Permission denied Sep 10 15:40:18 ???? Sep 10 15:40:34 UberNeo, is your system installed on a sd-card? Sep 10 15:40:43 tht i dont know Sep 10 15:40:55 hw to find tht Sep 10 15:41:02 erm .. Sep 10 15:41:34 i don't know Sep 10 15:42:11 where do i find the .jffs2 in the media card Sep 10 15:42:40 dos1, the OE tree is dirty on the buildhost... is it just the patches I applied today or something else too? Sep 10 15:42:50 (which you might not want me to wipe by an update) Sep 10 15:42:59 this is developer channel. maybe #openmoko was more "on topic"? Sep 10 15:43:52 mrmoku: you can clean OE tree on buildhost Sep 10 15:44:04 dos1, oi Sep 10 15:44:05 mrmoku: it has just patches from patchwork applied by hand, nothing more Sep 10 15:44:08 -i+k Sep 10 15:44:09 UberNeo, the root filesystem can be on /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/mmcblk0p2 Sep 10 15:44:43 if it is on the microsd Sep 10 15:45:10 it doesn;t have anything like /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/mmcblk0p2 Sep 10 15:45:40 ok, than you also don't have a microsd inserted and cannot have your system on the microsd ;0 Sep 10 15:45:46 *;) Sep 10 15:46:12 microsd is inserted Sep 10 15:46:44 thats quite strage (to me) Sep 10 15:46:56 :( Sep 10 15:47:03 try "ls -l /usr/bin/opkg" Sep 10 15:47:53 root@om-gta02 /dev $ ls -l /usr/bin/opkg Sep 10 15:47:53 ls: /usr/bin/opkg: No such file or directory Sep 10 15:48:10 UberNeo: opkg-cl . Sep 10 15:48:32 if ypu have image from 080808 ;] Sep 10 15:48:39 ya that works Sep 10 15:48:39 s/ypu/you/ Sep 10 15:48:45 o.O :-S .o0(.....-....) Sep 10 15:48:48 soltys meant: if you have image from 080808 ;] Sep 10 15:48:54 missing symlink ;) Sep 10 15:49:27 UberNeo: opkg update && opkg install opkg libopkg0 ;) Sep 10 15:49:40 but why should it then say "Permission denied"? Sep 10 15:49:55 root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg update Sep 10 15:49:56 -sh: opkg: not found Sep 10 15:50:04 opkg-cl update Sep 10 15:50:08 opkg-cl Sep 10 15:50:27 ya opkg-cl update works Sep 10 15:50:46 why is it working with -cl only Sep 10 15:50:59 missing symlink, as soltys explained Sep 10 15:51:12 ok Sep 10 15:51:30 hw to browse my media card Sep 10 15:51:38 but as he said "opkg-cl install opkg libopkg0" does solve the problem Sep 10 15:51:40 where is the media card present Sep 10 15:52:21 dos1: was that you who removed the opkg-cl warning from chan topic? Sep 10 15:52:40 hmm Sep 10 15:52:43 dunno Sep 10 15:52:48 /media/card Sep 10 15:53:22 17:53 -!- Topic set by dos1 [] [Sat Aug 22 12:25:59 2009] Sep 10 15:53:24 only if you hve wotking SD Sep 10 15:54:02 ohh..then hw do i use my sd Sep 10 15:54:11 and as time is going on, ophonekitd stopped working Sep 10 15:54:18 means /dev/mmcblk0p1 existent Sep 10 15:54:21 or the dialer, don't know Sep 10 15:55:15 hw do i use my sd Sep 10 15:58:54 sd is hw Sep 10 15:59:24 maybe try to power off your neo, check the contacts and power it on again Sep 10 16:01:01 that's strange Sep 10 16:01:06 ophonekitd is running Sep 10 16:01:13 but i can't do calls Sep 10 16:01:27 but he gets the sim-contacts Sep 10 16:01:50 pin? Sep 10 16:01:56 and shr-settings hangs/crashes if i want to see the phone settings Sep 10 16:02:25 he's not asking for pin, already asked some time ago Sep 10 16:02:35 and it was working some time after that Sep 10 16:02:37 hmm. frameworkd ? Sep 10 16:03:00 oh, good idea Sep 10 16:03:36 is running and the log says nothing special Sep 10 16:04:05 but the lock screen is really cool, that was on my big wishlist :) Sep 10 16:04:39 mickeyl: it looks like there's no softmac solution that fits our really embedded purposes. Sep 10 16:05:07 sometimes simply freezes for me here. gprs-disconnect ->frameworkd stalls Sep 10 16:05:29 PaulFertser: *nod* Sep 10 16:05:41 DocMobilizer: i'll try to find some time tomorrow to look at it Sep 10 16:05:47 but i wasn't using gprs Sep 10 16:05:55 mickeyl: cooool Sep 10 16:06:09 is that forced disconnect, unforced, or always? Sep 10 16:06:11 klinuxer: no idea then Sep 10 16:06:18 and calling the neo was also a little strange Sep 10 16:06:23 i called it Sep 10 16:06:28 the number was dialled Sep 10 16:06:45 then there were ~5 secs silence Sep 10 16:06:50 mickeyl: always, with ~80% probability Sep 10 16:06:50 5-10 Sep 10 16:07:07 and then the mailbox came Sep 10 16:07:34 klinuxer: you entered wrong pin Sep 10 16:07:46 no, it was right, it also said Sep 10 16:08:01 or suffer from #1024 Sep 10 16:08:53 sounds like #1024, ya Sep 10 16:09:03 can i query the accelerometers at a given time? Sep 10 16:09:04 #1024 where? Sep 10 16:09:25 or what is #1024 Sep 10 16:09:34 if 10sec silence then mailbox > modem does not respond OTA Sep 10 16:09:57 ah, ok, what seems to be wrong? Sep 10 16:10:14 mickeyl: phys yes. kernel dunno Sep 10 16:10:45 where is the ticket? Sep 10 16:11:05 hmm, it looks like that's a push-only model from kernel to userland Sep 10 16:11:16 need to try some of the input subsystem ioctls Sep 10 16:11:33 #1024 ;-) Sep 10 16:11:46 can anybody tell me how to increase the volume of earpiece in A7 Sep 10 16:12:00 no Sep 10 16:12:25 its damm low Sep 10 16:12:38 i even cannot listen to others Sep 10 16:12:57 DocMobilizer, yeah, but where? it isn't on shr-project.org Sep 10 16:13:24 UberNeo, alsamixer ;) Sep 10 16:13:25 openmoko Sep 10 16:13:48 ah, ok, would have been a good place to start :D Sep 10 16:14:24 SHR: 03zimmermann 07opimd-utils * rdcd5eb1c1998 10/ (TODO opimd-dates): opimd-dates: Add support for cross-day entrys Sep 10 16:14:28 wht settings ..shud i kep Sep 10 16:14:36 i m using shr Sep 10 16:15:01 hmm CIA-53 is getting authorname from email address.. Sep 10 16:15:04 woohoo zimmerman Sep 10 16:15:47 alsamixer ??? Sep 10 16:15:54 i should commit another email address for this ;) Sep 10 16:15:59 Heinervdm: nevertheless good patch Sep 10 16:16:02 settings for A7 please Sep 10 16:16:26 erm, i don't find the tickets, can you give me a full adress?:D Sep 10 16:16:30 UberNeo: look wiki please Sep 10 16:17:50 sorry, limited resorces here (neo) Sep 10 16:18:16 mrmoku: could you add new git repo for me? :> Sep 10 16:18:29 mrmoku: name: geekogotchi :D Sep 10 16:18:35 ah, found it Sep 10 16:18:54 dos!!1! Sep 10 16:19:08 dos1, sounds cool :D Sep 10 16:19:52 DocMobilizer: i have server part almost finished Sep 10 16:20:03 dos1: all those innocent trees! :-0 Sep 10 16:20:11 dos1, hehe, will do :) Sep 10 16:20:13 UI part can still only display blank window :P Sep 10 16:20:37 DocMobilizer: look as git repos in freedesktop.org, kernel.org and some others :D Sep 10 16:20:42 s/as/at/ Sep 10 16:20:44 dos1 meant: DocMobilizer: look at git repos in freedesktop.org, kernel.org and some others :D Sep 10 16:22:29 gotchi won't stop me from kicking this device into bin, as I not even have a working contacts yet Sep 10 16:22:41 mrmoku: i'm writing tamagotchi app as some relaxing project after all that opimd hacking ;) Sep 10 16:24:04 an firmware upgrade should solve that issue? Sep 10 16:24:05 dos1, nice... will add that repo after dinner Sep 10 16:24:19 another 21 days, then doomsday for that one. Sorry but... need a PHONE Sep 10 16:24:28 Heinervdm, midori hit the feed Sep 10 16:24:43 * mrmoku dinner Sep 10 16:24:46 No gotchi Sep 10 16:24:57 or not Sep 10 16:25:47 phone already works perfectly for me, so i'm writing gotchi ;P Sep 10 16:28:49 my 8 year old nokia kicks ass of that "phone" Sep 10 16:32:20 not mine. my freerunner kicks ass of my nokia 6230i :P Sep 10 16:32:40 DocMobilizer: just debug instead of complain. i won't help if i don't know what happens, as here it works (TM) Sep 10 16:32:43 both can't store street etc, both have same limited namelength, but on Nokia I don't have to count chars of name myself, and I get a warning if for any reason it doesn't store contact. And Nokia has speeddial Sep 10 16:33:02 i don't have to count chars of name myself too ;> Sep 10 16:33:24 SHR TEAM, STAR THAT FSCKING LIBPHONE-UI!!!1 Sep 10 16:33:34 s/STAR/START/ Sep 10 16:33:35 dos1 meant: SHR TEAM, START THAT FSCKING LIBPHONE-UI!!!1 Sep 10 16:33:58 now we have obsolete phonegui-efl, and nothing else to work on ;/ Sep 10 16:34:48 hit it, won't finish in time. Won't even finish this year. I can't take it any longer Sep 10 16:37:33 finish your gotchi. None of my friends thinks this is a device to do phonecalls, they all say "great platform to play games". We should compete PS-II rather than any smartphone Sep 10 16:39:14 amazingly enough they all want to keep the devices I gave to them -- for their kids Sep 10 17:06:35 yo Sep 10 17:07:11 DocMobilizer: what to do to make wifi crash? Sep 10 17:08:33 mrmobil: start mokonnect, wifi, scan, select AP, hit "apply" Sep 10 17:09:03 did that and it worked Sep 10 17:09:19 what sec? i have rsn Sep 10 17:09:24 hmm, might depend on AP. Mine is WEP Sep 10 17:10:07 whatever rsn might be ;-P Sep 10 17:10:16 DocScrutinizer-8: wep2 Sep 10 17:10:21 yoh Sep 10 17:10:57 don't know why connman renamed that... Sep 10 17:11:05 radius server nnnnoidea Sep 10 17:11:35 he prolly radius, yeah Sep 10 17:13:17 i will try to turn on wep on my ap then Sep 10 17:13:33 to see if it crashes then Sep 10 17:14:38 iirc wep is supported hardmac wise (on some wifi cards at least) while WPA is clearly a software solution. That might explain the diffs Sep 10 17:16:26 i.e. If my assumption is correct then WEP might use ar6000 functions that neither open nor WPA ever touch Sep 10 17:17:43 dos1, of course WPA2 is what I wanted to say :) Sep 10 17:18:34 DocScrutinizer-8, ^^ Sep 10 17:18:36 grr :) Sep 10 17:18:45 heh, I seen the initial "W" and tailing "2" only :-D Sep 10 17:18:50 :) Sep 10 17:19:04 DocScrutinizer-8, WEP is unsafe anyway ;) Sep 10 17:19:25 ptitjes, hey, how's life? Sep 10 17:19:36 heh Sep 10 17:19:39 hi mrmoku Sep 10 17:19:45 fine thanks and for you ? Sep 10 17:19:54 fine, fine... fresh and relaxed :D Sep 10 17:20:04 I give a shit. All my traffic is inherently unsafe in internet. So I use safe protocols for whatever is worth it Sep 10 17:20:04 mrmoku: do you know some jobs with remote working ? Sep 10 17:20:24 ptitjes, hmm, no sorry Sep 10 17:21:08 :p Sep 10 17:21:39 mrmobil: otoh some of my old wlan-cards were wep-only. And supplicant always played nasty games on me Sep 10 17:21:51 so I desided to keep WEP Sep 10 17:22:36 and sit, watch, and laugh if someone is hacking it Sep 10 17:22:51 give him honeypot ;-) Sep 10 17:23:56 ptitjes, got fed up with the stress of doing events? Sep 10 17:24:42 Hey mrmoku ! Sep 10 17:24:48 Ainulindale, hey :) Sep 10 17:25:16 mrmoku: nah but I need money and want to go install myself in the middle of nature in the south :p Sep 10 17:25:38 ptitjes, hehe, middle of nature sounds nice... and south as well :D Sep 10 17:25:50 yeeaaaah Sep 10 17:25:55 :D Sep 10 17:26:20 Ainulindale, http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php :P Sep 10 17:26:29 (and it is still processing cells ;) Sep 10 17:26:34 well mrmoku Sep 10 17:26:35 ptitjes: if you find too much, here's dump to share Sep 10 17:26:39 I met with Nick two days ago Sep 10 17:26:50 So I'll trick him into artifically moving up my score Sep 10 17:26:54 (Nick from openbmap) Sep 10 17:27:19 DocScrutinizer: oki :p Sep 10 17:27:31 Ainulindale, nah... he won't do that... he is an honest man ;) Sep 10 17:27:39 (at least I would hope so) Sep 10 17:27:48 you don't know how persuasive I can be Sep 10 17:27:59 :P Sep 10 17:36:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc20384fdb657 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/resource.vala: fsodeviced: remove debugging code Sep 10 17:37:04 mrmoku: be annoying to Ainulindale, so he will want to kick your ass more and maybe he'll also convince Nick to bump my score to make you one position worse ;D Sep 10 17:38:01 I don't have time to do that anyway Sep 10 17:38:24 dos1, huh... you're way down ;) Sep 10 17:38:57 mrmoku: cause i'm real geek, not as you! sitting in home all the time :D Sep 10 17:39:06 ;) Sep 10 17:42:13 dos1, yeah, you're just logging the cells on your way to school... I know :P Sep 10 17:42:34 mrmoku: but i still have to log 3 providers on that way :D Sep 10 17:43:51 DocScrutinizer-8, btw... I had one strange thing in sweden... On one location I wanted to switch the provider (to log even more cells) and it showed me a long list with the swedish, german, polish and one danish network... how could something like that happen? Sep 10 17:53:14 onen|openBmap, hey :) Sep 10 17:53:25 mrmoku: hallo du :-) Sep 10 17:53:47 onen|openBmap, waiting for my logs to get processed ;) Sep 10 17:53:59 mrmoku: 8-) Sep 10 17:57:56 real geeks never leave bunker Sep 10 17:58:53 mrmoku: you were next to some cellphone companies testsite? Sep 10 17:59:25 DocScrutinizer-8, not that I would know of... a bit north of Trelleborg Sep 10 17:59:40 ferry? Sep 10 17:59:51 ferry yeah :) Sep 10 17:59:55 exhibition Sep 10 17:59:59 but not on the ferry, no Sep 10 18:00:12 it was the day before going with the ferry Sep 10 18:01:14 there are occasional hotspots where large mobile companies have testsites Sep 10 18:01:39 interesting spot to do cheap phonecalls then ;) Sep 10 18:01:45 you even find next generation protocols there found nowhere else Sep 10 18:03:00 mostly the cells are "barred" (means you can't log in with normal phones", or they don't have real connectivity to worldwide interconnect Sep 10 18:03:03 hm, e is now just segv, after pressing recover and it has (i think it has) started it segvs again Sep 10 18:03:19 shr-today is blocking my view and won't go away .. Sep 10 18:05:18 oh, i managed to kill shr-today (which e has started after starting) and e hasn't segv'd again Sep 10 18:05:26 mrmoku: in nokia monitor mode you can decide to obey, ignore, or even invert cellbar Sep 10 18:05:55 no idea how to do that on calypso Sep 10 18:06:09 DocScrutinizer-8, which means? Sep 10 18:06:45 you use normal cells only, both normal and barred ones, or *only* barred cells Sep 10 18:07:30 DocScrutinizer-8, hehe, nice Sep 10 18:08:40 you can also decide to log in to a cell with given cid, which is nice way to override normal cell handover and get TA for remote cells Sep 10 18:10:07 also handy if they ever try to track you down to a particular location, and you know they will do that ;-P Sep 10 18:11:33 usually executives not even get TA, so they gonna search you some 5km away XD Sep 10 18:11:54 :) Sep 10 18:12:25 with good directional ant even 20km Sep 10 18:19:12 dos1, do you have the latest frameworkd from buildhost installed? Sep 10 18:20:46 mrmoku: frameworkd? no, i'm updating it from git manually, cause i have some changes in it Sep 10 18:22:16 dos1, rebooting now... but I think it is broken Sep 10 18:22:23 (or maybe just the config...) Sep 10 18:23:23 mrmoku: i updated 1 hour ago and it's working Sep 10 18:23:54 dos1, never mind Sep 10 18:23:55 :) Sep 10 18:23:59 Heinervdm, yeah, for me too Sep 10 18:24:08 :) Sep 10 18:24:23 one should just reboot after updating frameworkd (or properly restart stuff) :P Sep 10 18:27:27 mrmoku: and never keep old config files ;-P So question is: how does it differ from flashing new image (except for taking ages to upgrade, and no new image probably anyway) Sep 10 18:28:22 DocScrutinizer-8, in a perfect world... yeah it should be the same Sep 10 18:29:54 btw... is there a working new image now, or is that considered poison as well? Sep 10 18:30:33 DocScrutinizer-8, I installed the latest one from http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Sep 10 18:30:44 and it works nicely so far Sep 10 18:30:52 (did upgrade after installing) Sep 10 18:31:00 yeah, but which *is* latest? Sep 10 18:31:03 just a short upgrade though Sep 10 18:31:18 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090906-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Sep 10 18:31:23 sorry no direct access here to check Sep 10 18:31:35 oooh, 0906 Sep 10 18:32:05 sounds like dos1 actually found it's worth going there. Great Sep 10 18:32:06 DocScrutinizer-8, somehow e segvd on first boot... but second boot was fine Sep 10 18:34:32 nah, never mind a little SEGV on first boot, among friends ;-) Sep 10 18:35:55 actually with opimd-utils SHR looks so shiny now, you couldn't believe there are a few such major partypoopers in there yet Sep 10 18:37:08 DocScrutinizer-8: know anything about usb charging? https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2310 Sep 10 18:37:58 lindi-: that's N810 here. could you give me the short version? Sep 10 18:38:55 DocScrutinizer-8: the list of steps to reproduce the bug should be reasonably clear, right? Sep 10 18:41:50 btw... SHR-settings-power USB-charge set to "100mA" stops charging from wallcharger all together Sep 10 18:42:43 lindi-: ooooh Sep 10 18:43:22 I have no idea what's the fso-interface like for that, or if it is via frameworkd at all. Maybe it's a kernel bug. Or Settings is doing sth silly Sep 10 18:44:36 lindi-: the short version: N900 is able to consume very large current from FR running as usb host. FR heats and emit smell. Sep 10 18:44:57 DocScrutinizer-8: ^^ Sep 10 18:45:08 lindi-: wait, N900??? Sep 10 18:45:13 Where did you get that? Sep 10 18:46:10 lindi-: send me N900 to reproduce Sep 10 18:46:56 ROFL Sep 10 18:47:22 * mrmoku wonders if DocScrutinizer-8 wants to hit to flies with one strike ;) Sep 10 18:47:28 s/to/two/ Sep 10 18:48:37 DocScrutinizer-8: looks like there's no current limiting for USB vbus generator. :-o Sep 10 18:48:57 PaulFertser: in helsinki Sep 10 18:49:12 well, current_now of 2000 seems not sooo much. with GSM you easily can reach 800mA. 500mA out @ 5V means 1000mA @ 3.5V in Sep 10 18:49:30 PaulFertser: still seems you're right Sep 10 18:49:57 though I remember differently when thinking datasheet Sep 10 18:50:09 DocScrutinizer-8: but the PCF datasheets only says that USB1 is an input Sep 10 18:50:13 DocScrutinizer-8: is it really also an output? Sep 10 18:50:45 lindi-: huh? please reprhase Sep 10 18:51:00 lindi-: no, look at the scheme, there's a special IC to provide usb output voltage. Sep 10 18:51:08 yep Sep 10 18:51:59 DocScrutinizer-8: the datasheet says it has overcurrent protection. Sep 10 18:52:24 anyway N900 usb charge expects a USB2.0 compliant charger. That's something completely different than a normal 500mA host Sep 10 18:52:33 PaulFertser: I knew that ;-) Sep 10 18:53:00 DocScrutinizer: anyway N900 shouldn't be able to damage the FR. Sep 10 18:53:08 agree Sep 10 18:53:32 but I'd expect N900 to damage every 3rd laptop as well then Sep 10 18:54:06 for now each N900 can be a preliminary proto at best Sep 10 18:54:48 DocScrutinizer: input switch current limit 2.5A Sep 10 18:54:56 lindi-: I'd be much more interested in the inverse case. What does N900 in host mode, when FR is charging? Sep 10 18:55:19 PaulFertser: input switch? Sep 10 18:56:02 DocScrutinizer: anyway i'd need to read (and not skim) datasheet to see and explain what can and does it mean. Sep 10 18:56:30 aah, of AAT1275? Sep 10 18:57:00 erm Sep 10 18:57:04 DocScrutinizer: 'PCF50633DS_02.pdf shows USB1 as an input pin' Sep 10 18:57:07 err 1276 Sep 10 18:57:17 PaulFertser: what's the name of this IC? Sep 10 18:57:22 lindi-: so what? Sep 10 18:57:30 lindi-: AAT1275 Sep 10 18:57:31 ebrainy tries to import decimal in python, but it's not available ... Sep 10 18:57:36 AAT1276 is the name Sep 10 18:57:48 AAT1276 is the nameu4904 Sep 10 18:57:49 just wanted to say that ^^ Sep 10 18:58:29 lindi-: schem p.6 Sep 10 18:58:35 LOC 49XX Sep 10 18:58:47 nah Sep 10 18:58:51 LOC 44XX Sep 10 18:59:16 short question: what needs to be done that xrandr -o 1 works? Sep 10 18:59:33 there was something with echo "qvga" >somewhere Sep 10 18:59:39 does anybody know where? Sep 10 18:59:58 klinuxer: use x.org Sep 10 19:00:01 klinuxer: just that Sep 10 19:00:46 PaulFertser: speaking of which, are there pre-compiled packages I could use in SHR for x.org? Sep 10 19:01:14 ntosme21: i guess there're some Sep 10 19:01:15 hrhrhrrr Sep 10 19:01:23 I got my bluetooth keyboard working yesterday btw Sep 10 19:01:23 ntosme21: some SHR users are reporting they use x.org Sep 10 19:01:38 ntosme21: and push harder on mrmoku, he should provide those eventually. Sep 10 19:01:43 ntosme21: with bluez4? Sep 10 19:01:51 ntosme21: the way described on the wiki? With FR? Sep 10 19:01:52 PaulFertser: indeed Sep 10 19:02:36 PaulFertser: these http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard Sep 10 19:02:43 DocScrutinizer-8: the R_SET resistor is set to 14K Sep 10 19:02:50 lindi-: were you by any change able to spot *which* component got hot? Sep 10 19:02:51 DocScrutinizer-8: what current limit does this mean? Sep 10 19:03:04 DocScrutinizer-8: not yet, i don't carry torx screw driver with me now Sep 10 19:03:08 DocScrutinizer-8: have to get home to see Sep 10 19:03:09 afaik 500mA Sep 10 19:03:12 worked with the Aluminum Apple Wireless Keyboard Sep 10 19:03:21 DocScrutinizer-8: it says 16.9K is 500 mA Sep 10 19:03:32 hmm Sep 10 19:04:58 There exists a patch for shr for X.org http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/38/ but it's outdated it think Sep 10 19:05:10 ntosme21: have you tried "Manually using Bluetooth"? If not, can you do that? Sep 10 19:05:15 ntosme21: pretty please Sep 10 19:05:19 lindi-: getting hot and even starting to smell isn't a problem in itself (except if you don't like the smell of course ;-) Sep 10 19:05:31 I'll take a look Sep 10 19:05:43 lindi-: btw, i'm never using the screws in FR. Sep 10 19:06:21 same here :-) Sep 10 19:08:41 lindi-: could you check USB_FLT aka GPM5 GPIO Sep 10 19:08:52 please? Sep 10 19:09:32 DocScrutinizer: according to the datasheet the output current will be limited to 590mA with the resistor that used in FR. Sep 10 19:09:37 lindi-: maybe even syslog shows some kernel msg on that. Dunno Sep 10 19:09:56 PaulFertser: ok the steps are identical except for the nice addition of `pidof bluetoothd` in the Connect dbus call Sep 10 19:10:00 [2009-09-10 21:03:09] afaik 500mA Sep 10 19:10:06 thanks for confirming Sep 10 19:10:22 ntosme21: so what are the steps? Basically pair, then use "Connect" method, nothing more is needed? Sep 10 19:11:14 DocScrutinizer: well i don't have still have the torx with me Sep 10 19:11:19 PaulFertser: given that you already know the MAC, yes Sep 10 19:11:23 DocScrutinizer: and when i return home i don't have the n900 with me Sep 10 19:12:01 PaulFertser: it would also be good to mention that you have to enter the pin on the keyboard and then enter rather quickly Sep 10 19:12:23 does anybody know where a manual to install xorg on shr is or something similar? Sep 10 19:12:24 lindi-: so use some other nasty USB powered device, like e.g. USBdrive which will need some 1000mA, some of them Sep 10 19:12:27 PaulFertser: this is after simple-agent prompts you for it Sep 10 19:12:34 DocScrutinizer: i'm worried about breaking the phone :) Sep 10 19:12:57 ntosme21: that should be mentioned in the keyboard manual Sep 10 19:13:05 lindi-: and if I were there, I never gave the N900 out of my hands Sep 10 19:13:11 :-D Sep 10 19:13:32 PaulFertser: it definitely was not Sep 10 19:13:43 WTF had you to do to get this one?? Sep 10 19:14:05 ntosme21: how are you supposed to know about pairing procedure then? Sep 10 19:14:09 DocScrutinizer: well i was surrounded by multiple n900's and one had flat battery so i offered my openmoko to charge one Sep 10 19:14:25 aaaarrrgggg Sep 10 19:14:30 MULTIPLE of them Sep 10 19:14:34 multiple! Sep 10 19:14:38 four i think Sep 10 19:14:46 PaulFertser: ask apple...I figured it out from Ubuntu's pairing app Sep 10 19:14:51 I just want ONE for now Sep 10 19:14:54 DocScrutinizer: this is http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ Sep 10 19:14:55 lindi-: i guess you were just dreaming, that's the reason nasty things started to happen. Sep 10 19:15:28 noooo I won't watch that, or I probably will bite my desk Sep 10 19:15:30 lindi-: n900 didnt came out yet, did it? Sep 10 19:17:03 khiraly11: another 21 days here in Europe Sep 10 19:17:23 khiraly11: true Sep 10 19:17:41 why, in America it already came out? Sep 10 19:17:45 or where is the premier? Sep 10 19:17:47 * DocScrutinizer jumps on his chair Sep 10 19:17:48 DocScrutinizer: it's a monthly free software even in finland Sep 10 19:18:34 * DocScrutinizer pets his N810 Sep 10 19:21:57 hmm my openmoko doesn't pop up the window for SIM authentification Sep 10 19:22:23 so i never catch GSM network ... Sep 10 19:22:32 how can i launch it manually ? Sep 10 19:22:48 (shr-unstable very freshly upgraded) Sep 10 19:23:24 cichlid: boot two times, and waaaait Sep 10 19:24:04 cichlid: and don't mess with device during waiting ;-) Sep 10 19:24:16 oh no ... i've got my old dbus not available problem in ophonekitd Sep 10 19:24:32 andf on shutdown the kernel gave me a backtrace ... Sep 10 19:24:36 some 90sec after illume is up, PIN rewuester will pop up Sep 10 19:24:37 ok Sep 10 19:25:51 you might want to tap the screen now and then to stop suspending, until then Sep 10 19:30:58 mrmoku: what about git repo? ;) Sep 10 19:32:02 dos1, I added it to gitosis Sep 10 19:32:15 right now I'm trying to remember how to get git user :P Sep 10 19:32:46 klinuxer: backtrace? Sep 10 19:32:48 mrmoku: i'll have to learn how to push locally inited repo ;D Sep 10 19:32:56 klinuxer: does it make sense? Sep 10 19:41:51 mrmoku: "fatal: 'repositories/geekogotchi.git': unable to chdir or not a git archive" if it can tell/help you with something ;) Sep 10 19:44:47 dos1, yeah, I have to manually create an empty repository IIRC... but for that I have to become git user Sep 10 19:44:52 (on the buildhost) Sep 10 19:45:23 I always looked it up in the .bash_history... but you did too much stuff the last two weeks... its not there any longer :P Sep 10 19:45:34 ^^""" Sep 10 19:48:01 mrmoku: i initialized it Sep 10 19:48:05 mrmoku: remotely Sep 10 19:48:08 mrmoku: but now it Sep 10 19:48:18 +'s empty and i don't know what to do next Sep 10 19:48:20 ;) Sep 10 19:49:06 dos1, add the correct remote to .git/config Sep 10 19:49:28 [remote "origin"] Sep 10 19:49:29 fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* Sep 10 19:49:31 url = git@git.shr-project.org:/geekogotchi.git Sep 10 19:49:32 [branch "master"] Sep 10 19:49:34 remote = origin Sep 10 19:49:36 merge = refs/heads/master Sep 10 19:49:38 that's what i have Sep 10 19:50:08 try git push origin master..master Sep 10 19:50:14 or maybe one . ... don't remember Sep 10 19:50:47 dos1, ahh... : instead Sep 10 19:50:51 git push origin master:master Sep 10 19:51:13 error: src refspec master does not match any. Sep 10 19:51:14 error: failed to push some refs to 'git@git.shr-project.org:/geekogotchi.git' Sep 10 19:51:43 dos1, git push origin master =? Sep 10 19:51:46 -= Sep 10 19:51:56 the same Sep 10 19:52:37 dos1, url is wrong Sep 10 19:52:39 its not git Sep 10 19:53:08 ssh://git@... Sep 10 19:54:11 * DocScrutinizer-8 mumbles something that sounds like #%@@#% git #%&&*@ Sep 10 19:55:41 mrmoku: pushed Sep 10 19:55:42 :D Sep 10 19:55:45 mrmoku: that was my fault Sep 10 19:55:52 mrmoku: i tried to push nothing, as i didn't commit anything Sep 10 19:55:54 ;D Sep 10 19:57:32 does any python-* package in shr provide the module decimal? Sep 10 19:57:49 mrmoku: commited everything :) Sep 10 19:57:52 mrmoku: thanks Sep 10 19:58:06 klinuxer: try math Sep 10 19:58:14 dos1, and I managed to get git... so I can install your hooks :) Sep 10 19:58:18 ok Sep 10 19:58:39 mrmoku: and gitweb! and gitweb! :D Sep 10 19:59:22 Heinervdm, python-math is up to date .. Sep 10 20:00:13 klinuxer: then i don'T know Sep 10 20:00:26 hm, ok, but thank you Sep 10 20:00:48 than the package ebrainy in shr is broken .. Sep 10 20:00:53 dos1, gimme some description ;) Sep 10 20:00:56 klinuxer: you can search with opkg search *python*math* Sep 10 20:00:57 s/than/then Sep 10 20:01:49 mrmoku: "Tamagotchi like mini-game, based on dbus and FSO interface" Sep 10 20:05:22 dos1, http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=geekogotchi.git;a=summary Sep 10 20:05:28 it is not yet on the index page Sep 10 20:05:44 don't know why... guess it get's cached and will appear after some time Sep 10 20:05:46 mrmoku: thanks :) Sep 10 20:06:35 dos1, btw. incoming messages do not pop up any longer... is that on purpose? Sep 10 20:06:41 hmm? Sep 10 20:06:42 no? Sep 10 20:06:46 no Sep 10 20:07:17 that's bad ;/ Sep 10 20:07:22 i'll look at it Sep 10 20:07:38 ahh... no... have to add it to the projectlist to appear :) Sep 10 20:07:54 anybody knows how to make framework *immediately* send a AT%sleep=4 to modem? Sep 10 20:08:13 mickeyl: ^ Sep 10 20:10:40 is there any dbus call to do that? I neither want to restart framework components, nor could I use mickeyterm ("does not provide this channel" -> no free muxer chan left for mickeyterm) Sep 10 20:14:09 mrmoku: could you check (and fix) "Sketch"? Missning *.png Sep 10 20:16:18 has anyone EVER managed to get GDB to work with OE's separated symbols? Sep 10 20:16:26 i just can't make it work, and i really need it Sep 10 20:16:46 DocScrutinizer-8, ?? Sep 10 20:17:32 Weiss, it somehow works for me if I install the respective -dbg packages Sep 10 20:17:36 the SHR-app "Sketch" borks on start with "missing foo/bar.png" Sep 10 20:17:50 DocScrutinizer-8, what is sketch? Sep 10 20:18:05 * mrmoku takes a note to not do holidays longer than one week in the future ;) Sep 10 20:18:07 err Sep 10 20:18:58 Sketch Book Sep 10 20:20:18 DocScrutinizer-8, you mean gpe-sketchbook Sep 10 20:20:20 ? Sep 10 20:20:33 probably Sep 10 20:21:13 pypennotes? Xournal? Sep 10 20:21:17 how could I tell without "cat sketch*.desktop"? Sep 10 20:22:12 DocScrutinizer-8: if it's that default one then it's gpe-sketchbook Sep 10 20:22:15 at least it complains about missing gpe-icon.pnf and others Sep 10 20:22:43 then quits Sep 10 20:25:14 /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/gpe-logo.png': no such file or dir Sep 10 20:25:26 etc etc Sep 10 20:25:47 DocScrutinizer-8, yeah... installed it and have that too Sep 10 20:26:15 DocScrutinizer-8, will try to fix that after some sleep... Sep 10 20:26:24 do you have gpe-icons installed? Sep 10 20:26:35 maybe just dep is missing Sep 10 20:26:42 hmm Sep 10 20:26:43 fair enough :-) Nice you're on board again Sep 10 20:26:54 and it was previously thanks to file manager Sep 10 20:27:15 (just wild guess) Sep 10 20:27:31 dos1|neo: a good wild guess though :-) Sep 10 20:27:34 dos1|neo, probably a good guess :-) Sep 10 20:27:36 :) Sep 10 20:27:54 ;) Sep 10 20:28:27 yeah installing gpe-icons fixes it Sep 10 20:28:46 mrmoku: ah, never mind. random outburst of frustration from me, there... Sep 10 20:29:05 Xorg memory management bugs are HARD Sep 10 20:29:28 mrmoku: duh, you've been faster ;-D Sep 10 20:30:29 DocScrutinizer-8, and I'm faster in bed than you ;) Sep 10 20:30:36 gnight all :) Sep 10 20:30:42 you bet Sep 10 20:30:50 g'night mrmoku|away Sep 10 20:31:59 night! ;) Sep 10 20:33:18 i have tomorrow small tests from math, psysics and biology. and i know only for math :x Sep 10 20:34:26 dos1|neo: go to your books! ;> Sep 10 20:34:49 dos1|neo: so explain bio and phy are based on math and math is all you need to completely understand and describe them ;-P Sep 10 20:35:59 oh. i would like having bio based on phy... Sep 10 20:36:10 i really don't like bio :P Sep 10 20:36:41 dos1|neo: i can understand you Sep 10 20:36:51 better with phy, but i'm too lazy today to learn... Sep 10 20:37:05 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/owl4.png Sep 10 20:37:11 what do you have to learn? Sep 10 20:37:15 dos1|neo: I feel with you Sep 10 20:37:58 Heinervdm: some revision... i would describe it if only i had better english ;) Sep 10 20:38:45 ;) Sep 10 20:39:02 just I never learnt anything for tests in phy. and hated math for the fact it didn't work there to never look at books, just write full points on tests and leave classroom first. For math I really needed to learn every now and then Sep 10 20:39:50 hehe my gta01 is now recognised by my host as usb midi controler :> Sep 10 20:40:08 nice Sep 10 20:41:09 first goal reached im really happy :p Sep 10 20:42:02 tag8tag: if you have some time, it'd be also interesting to confirm it doesn't work as usb-storage (g_file_storage). It does work with my relatively old desktop and with BIOSes of modern desktops but not with Linux or windows, the bug is described at the OM trac. Sep 10 20:45:08 PaulFertser: ok, i need to write some basic tests, but since the g_midi virtual soundcard is present in /proc/asound/cards, I'm optimistic Sep 10 20:45:49 tag8tag: congratulations. Sep 10 20:46:08 PaulFertser: :) Sep 10 20:46:53 PaulFertser: nothing unusual here, juste modified the kernel from andy branch Sep 10 20:47:13 tag8tag: modified == compiled midi gadget or something more interesting? Sep 10 20:48:24 PaulFertser: use g_ethernet as module, added g_midi as module, modprobed g_midi on gta01 Sep 10 20:48:59 tag8tag: yeah, trivial. BTW, "packaging" defconfig has g_ether as a module exactly to allow this level of flexebility. Sep 10 20:49:25 tag8tag: i wonder if it still can be compiled in and if you want to use another gadget is simple unbind enough? Sep 10 20:49:53 PaulFertser: i think so, trying with g_ether Sep 10 20:50:37 tag8tag: because if yes, we can let the 4 warning messages on boot (the only thing seen with Qi) go away. Sep 10 20:50:39 PaulFertser: will take some time, its a bit harsh to type on embedded shell :p Sep 10 20:50:53 tag8tag: oh, yes, you don't have usb anymore. Sep 10 20:50:58 And gta01 lacks wifi. Sep 10 20:51:20 tag8tag: Probably BT networking is an option for you. Wanna try? Sep 10 20:52:25 PaulFertser: why not, it will be heaven if i could get both at the same time Sep 10 20:53:48 tag8tag: Manually_using_Bluetooth at OM wiki should have all relevant bluez4 instructions. At least they worked for me after i've written them ;) Sep 10 20:56:10 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2310 Sep 10 20:56:10 PaulFertser:ok i'll take a look, need to try to modprobe g_ether before to know if it works Sep 10 20:56:22 #2310 Sep 10 20:56:55 Anyway, "charging N900 with gta02 causes the gta02 to overheat" Sep 10 21:05:20 PaulFertser: g_ether works perfectly, just don't ever try to ip config with virtual keyboard :p Sep 10 21:09:30 rhkfin_: hmm, yes. what particularly? Sep 10 21:10:25 except of course we all drool about that "N900" and "overheat" is a subjective classification Sep 10 21:10:35 heh :) lindi- can tell you more about it.. Sep 10 21:10:46 at least until something actually breaks Sep 10 21:17:11 hmm, is there any "intone for noobs" howto? I seem unable to intuitively understand how to simply playback a single .wav file. best I can get is a SEGV on clicking the leftmost toolbar icon Sep 10 21:17:41 DocMobilizer: i'd say that the "smell of burnt components" is a bit of a giveaway ;-) Sep 10 21:17:51 DocScrutinizer-8: that too was demonstrated today at helsinki Sep 10 21:18:31 wpwrak: giveaway? Sep 10 21:18:55 DocMobilizer: a strong hint :) Sep 10 21:19:43 a strong hint something reached the temp where plastic start to evaporate solvents Sep 10 21:20:16 there's a reason why they are there :) Sep 10 21:20:48 I asked lindi to spot the hot component, so until then I'm only interested in state of USB_FLT Sep 10 21:21:04 i'm trying to spot it now Sep 10 21:21:11 yup, that should tell is if something's amiss. see, those overcurrent signals do have their use :) Sep 10 21:21:28 where's an IR camera if you need one ? :) Sep 10 21:21:42 this one yes. others... *not* Sep 10 21:21:46 nothing completely obvious on the LCD side of the pcb at least Sep 10 21:22:30 * wpwrak wonders how hard it would actualy be to mod a digital camera such that it can take reasonable IR pictures. Sep 10 21:23:02 wpwrak: lindi-: I could imagine we another time see a weak choke on AAT1276 Sep 10 21:24:00 wpwrak: IR like 1000K - no problem Sep 10 21:24:19 ir like 350K... no way Sep 10 21:25:33 well maybe s/1000/1300/ Sep 10 21:27:57 DocScrutinizer-8: can't spot anything obvious on the back side of the PCB either. i haven't removed the RF shields though Sep 10 21:29:29 lindi-: PMU and USB-power are under main can Sep 10 21:30:05 i guess i need to open those when i have time, on saturday maybe Sep 10 21:30:13 DocMobilizer: something like 400K would already be interesting. hasn't there been a problem once with a camera that "saw through" clothes ? Sep 10 21:30:28 (becasue they forgot/misdesigned the IR filter) Sep 10 21:30:41 DocScrutinizer-8: so do you suspect the boost inductor overheating? Sep 10 21:31:03 only thing I could think of atm Sep 10 21:31:04 if you can see human bodies, an overheating component should be easy Sep 10 21:32:30 wpwrak: the clothes were IR transparent and so the IR-LED illuminated the naked body Sep 10 21:33:03 that's not same as detecting 400k body radiation Sep 10 21:33:57 DocMobilizer: hmm, are you sure that's what happened ? i heard it was a missing IR filter. Sep 10 21:34:32 nah, impossible Sep 10 21:34:49 iirc that was sony nightview cam Sep 10 21:38:31 DocScrutinizer-8: L4901 is rated for 800mA, can't calculate now if it's enough or not (datasheets has ready-to-use formula but i'm too lazy since i'm going to sleep currently). Sep 10 21:39:10 yeah, might be weak Sep 10 21:40:02 DocScrutinizer-8: so the next hardware fix is to change the R_SET resistor? ;) Sep 10 21:40:10 some people claim that IR imaging should be possible: http://forums.makezine.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=1950 Sep 10 21:40:12 if that's peak current to saturate ferrite core, then for sure it's too low Sep 10 21:40:27 lindi-: what for??? Sep 10 21:40:37 also this one appears to work without a separate light source: http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/254/how-to-turn-a-digital-camera-into-an-ir-camera Sep 10 21:41:02 DocScrutinizer-8: to limit the current to some more safe value? Sep 10 21:41:04 lindi-: there's always one more hardware fix ;-) Sep 10 21:41:05 ir != ir Sep 10 21:41:26 lindi-: that's for sure nonsense Sep 10 21:41:48 DocScrutinizer-8: please elaborate a bit, i only briefly read the specs :) Sep 10 21:42:07 590mA is perfectly safe if no oops happened on component selection Sep 10 21:42:36 DocScrutinizer-8: well obviously the current was higher than 590 mA if we can trust 'current_now' Sep 10 21:42:56 lindi-: bzzz, false again Sep 10 21:43:11 that's primary current of whole system Sep 10 21:43:36 DocScrutinizer-8: yep but where would it go if not to usb? or do you suspect a short circuit? Sep 10 21:43:51 DocScrutinizer-8: looks about enough... Sep 10 21:44:35 [2009-09-10 20:49:13] well, current_now of 2000 seems not sooo much. with GSM you easily can reach 800mA. 500mA out @ 5V means 1000mA @ 3.5V in Sep 10 21:44:43 lindi-: were you actively using GSM at the moment? Sep 10 21:44:48 PaulFertser: nope Sep 10 21:45:08 DocScrutinizer-8: you see? Sep 10 21:45:35 yes, I expected that, and I think there's sth fishy Sep 10 21:45:55 still it's NOT the programming R Sep 10 21:45:59 DocScrutinizer-8: also i doubt that he had 3.5 at the moment and also that "500mA out @ 5V means 1000mA @ 3.5V" ;) Sep 10 21:46:17 which gives 590mA max OUTPUT as PaulFertser calculated Sep 10 21:46:27 DocScrutinizer-8: yes, the R is correct, according to the datasheet. Unless they messid it with something in actual BOM :) Sep 10 21:46:35 DocScrutinizer-8: not calculated, that was table lookup in fact :) Sep 10 21:48:08 14kOhm 1% in BOM too Sep 10 21:48:43 maybe AAT1276 does no current limiting but simply triggers USB_FLT. Maybe we have a short on datalines. Maybe we have massive drop of efficiency on choke getting satturated and thus all the current runs into that choke and heats it up (i prefer that idea for now) Sep 10 21:48:48 Now sleep time for sure. And lindi-, congrats at your amazing bug report, you definetely know how to show off ;) Sep 10 21:49:48 DocScrutinizer-8: according to datasheet it goes to CC mode until die temperature rises too high or input current reaches limit. Sep 10 21:50:04 was there a picture ? with smoke and lightning ? :) Sep 10 21:50:38 wpwrak: go make one yourself ;) You have a gta02, a decent load for sure as well ;) Sep 10 21:50:44 well, me at dinner (or sth like that) now Sep 10 21:51:06 bbl Sep 10 21:51:21 PaulFertser: yeah, i have a bunch of heavy duty low-R resistors for my battery simulator. never built that beast, though. Sep 10 21:52:02 for gta02 any usb-drive will do. They usually take more than 500mA Sep 10 21:52:20 that's why they come with Y-cable ;-) Sep 10 21:52:34 Or even another gta02 with fastcharge forced. Sep 10 21:52:42 as well Sep 10 21:52:51 cya Sep 10 21:53:07 DocScrutinizer-8: btw, i would be amazed to know N900 actually can draw more than 500mA without negotiating. Sep 10 21:53:43 nah, that's *normal* for USB2.0 Sep 10 21:53:46 PaulFertser: well they were really worried that they might be breaking the specs there Sep 10 21:53:50 see charger spec Sep 10 21:54:09 Ok, see you later Doc. :) Sep 10 21:54:09 DocScrutinizer-8: but charger spec only applies to the case where D+ and D- are short-circuited? Sep 10 21:54:19 yep Sep 10 21:54:24 basically yes Sep 10 21:54:32 PaulFertser: *grin* that would be interesting news indeed ;-) Sep 10 21:54:34 and they definitely were not since syslog shows the nokia info Sep 10 21:54:48 DocScrutinizer-8: (i added syslog output to bug report) Sep 10 21:55:15 is anything interesting in there? Sep 10 21:56:13 DocScrutinizer-8: well current_now seems to stay high even after I disconnected the usb cable Sep 10 21:57:05 that scary Sep 10 21:57:27 hmm, and battery temperature is 58.6 C Sep 10 21:57:49 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * r8118a2514537 10/shr-installer: Handle invalid percentage Sep 10 22:00:01 that 2 Sep 10 22:03:11 lindi-: how come ur syslog has i-now + temp? Sep 10 22:04:17 DocMobilizer: i print it there Sep 10 22:04:24 DocMobilizer: in my suspend scripot Sep 10 22:09:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r82d2c4d85d33 10/geekogotchi_server: server: calculate age instead of dumb incrementing Sep 10 22:13:56 DocMobilizer: hmm, http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Webcam-Into-an-Infrared-Camera looks discouraging :-( Sep 10 22:22:40 wpwrak: told u im[ossible Sep 10 22:26:23 DocMobilizer: sigh. it hate it when you're right :) Sep 10 22:26:26 s/it/I/ Sep 10 22:26:27 wpwrak meant: DocMobilizer: sigh. I hate it when you're right :) Sep 10 22:35:26 wpwrak: I could tell you about quantum physics, about photon energy and electrons, about PIR pyroelectric sensors, about matrials and temp of sensor. But let me put it this way: Firebrigades have *ONE* IR-cam to find bodies in smoke, one per division. It's about some 10k bucks. If there was any cheaper way, for sure they get one per person for mere effectivity Sep 10 22:37:36 DocMobilizer: hmm yes, you'd think so. but of course, it may be that industrially produced IR sensors satisfy requirements we wouldn't have with trouble components. e.g., it's perfectly okay if the sensor only picks up things above, say, 50 C Sep 10 22:41:34 I see. but the problem is completely discribed by the words "near IR" in that howto above that you linked Sep 10 22:41:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r1f44358dd31a 10/geekogotchi_server: server: use random values while feeding, healing and playing Sep 10 22:41:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r94177e04c2d8 10/geekogotchi_server: server: bump version to 0.0.0.1 Sep 10 22:41:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r73d0c53c1c93 10/ (geekogotchi_client geekogotchi_ui_efl.py): client: ui-efl: initial work on ui Sep 10 22:43:51 wpwrak: you could build your own "cam" by mounting one of those contactless distance IR thermometers on any sort of scanning mount, and possibly get a better optics in front of it Sep 10 22:48:25 DocMobilizer: hmm, that's an idea. pretty complex, though. just hacking a digicam would have been so much nicer :) Sep 10 22:49:24 (near IR) yeah. no so near unless you can almost see it glow already Sep 10 22:52:40 mrmoku|away: ping? Sep 10 22:54:26 wpwrak: there's hope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Thermography Sep 10 22:58:56 hehe ""With thermal imaging, power line maintenance technicians locate overheating joints and parts, a telltale sign of their failure, to eliminate potential hazards"" Sep 10 23:01:55 (hope) you mean t-ray ? Sep 10 23:03:22 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r0547c99f16be 10/geekogotchi_ui_efl.py: ui-efl: display info about pet Sep 10 23:03:29 wpwrak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermographic_cameras#Uncooled_infrared_detectors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric -- I mean the passage ""Thermography (thermal imaging) is mainly used in military and industrial applications but the technology is reaching the public market in the form of infrared cameras on cars due to the massively reduced production costs."" Sep 10 23:03:32 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r6f0afc86a8f4 10/geekogotchi_server: server: don't emit percentage > 100 and < 0 Sep 10 23:07:10 wpwrak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_infrared_sensor Sep 10 23:07:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body#Radiation_emitted_by_a_human_body about 9500 nm. rather far from the ~1000 nm of near IR :-( and for a component at 50 C, it's about 9000 nm. still way too much. Sep 10 23:14:54 wpwrak: yes. The operation principles of far-IR detectors are totally different to that of cam-sensors Sep 10 23:15:13 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r2bbd329c3c6b 10/ (TODO geekogotchi_ui_efl.py): ui-efl: add Feed/Heal/Play debug buttons Sep 10 23:15:55 that's why I knew it's impossible Sep 10 23:18:08 sigh. ah well, sometimes you have to see if the road less traveled may perhaps have some pleasant sights as well ... Sep 10 23:18:57 sure :-) Sep 10 23:50:14 darn, sth throttles FR so I'm even able to count easily the 8 phases of spinning wheel om "Power off. Please wait." popup, which I'm watching for 10min now Sep 10 23:54:42 wow, "sending all processes TERM signal..." takes ages even compared to other previous shutdown actions Sep 10 23:55:09 heh, now KILL Sep 10 23:57:05 heh, finally off Sep 10 23:58:03 yeah, and it's pretty useless most of the time :) Sep 10 23:59:08 well, for sure that's been the slowest shutdown I ever seen :-/ Sep 11 00:00:32 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders if that's what it's like when system starts massive swapping Sep 11 00:01:51 u are using swap? Sep 11 00:01:54 on sd? Sep 11 00:02:55 yep on SD. Enabled it for opkg upgrade, but I think usually it's off Sep 11 00:03:31 hi raster :-) Sep 11 00:04:24 OOOOOOOOOOOOUCH Sep 11 00:04:31 btw talking about swap. I really miss any idea how to check if swap is enabled or not Sep 11 00:05:13 swap on usb via glamo... awesome Sep 11 00:05:28 * raster wonders if the sarcasm is detectable Sep 11 00:05:38 raster: well opkg wasn't designed by me, and it's not my fault it needs more ram tahn FR can provide ;-) Sep 11 00:05:41 and morning! Sep 11 00:05:42 :) Sep 11 00:05:51 hahhah Sep 11 00:15:46 raster: how comes when I switch from one screen to another with illume arrows, the screen switches to new/next one, but title remains old screens title. Then I click same arrow again and title updates to correct and also screen curser changes to gotfocus and kbd comes up (usually, sometimes it doesn't) Sep 11 00:16:34 raster: this happening occasionally, so probably some race (lost message or sth) Sep 11 00:25:51 hmm something focus related Sep 11 00:27:27 oh, I see. illume title string follows focus (as you could change focus by clicking into window) Sep 11 00:28:45 so seems all those occasions were when focus came to valaterm form arbitrary other screen... Sep 11 00:29:01 yes Sep 11 00:29:06 raster: am I totally wrong... ? Sep 11 00:29:21 focus may not be the top window - i never wrote code to be very strict abolut that Sep 11 00:29:34 focused window is what the title shos Sep 11 00:30:16 so valaterm somehow eats focus setting and doesn't barf it back up Sep 11 00:32:30 valaterm doesnt likely do anything Sep 11 00:32:45 e pobably set rfocus to it at some point and focus hasnt lft for some reason Sep 11 00:32:55 it is possible it can ask for it or explicitly set it Sep 11 00:32:58 but unlikely Sep 11 00:36:19 I tend to believe with valaterm only flawless operation is unlikely ;-) Sep 11 00:39:07 screen geometry constantly messed up so apps depending on a correct screenwidth mess up their layout. On ling $PS1 a cmdline spreading over multiple lines can't handle cursor-left over linewraps correctly... etc pp **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 03:00:00 2009