**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 15 02:59:57 2009 Sep 15 05:09:01 mickey|zzZZzz: i'll find a quote for you Sep 15 05:10:24 DocScrutinizer-8: gsm modem rebooting because of wifi? :-O Sep 15 05:52:24 prahal, our git should work via git protocol - we have git daemon running Sep 15 05:52:29 prahal, does it not? Sep 15 05:55:17 * mrmoku tries Sep 15 05:56:16 hmm... looks like you're right :( Sep 15 05:56:18 * mrmoku checks Sep 15 05:59:37 prahal, ok, fixed... should work now :) Sep 15 05:59:53 git clone git://git.shr-project.org/shr.git Sep 15 05:59:55 does at least Sep 15 06:02:22 mrmoku: hehe, shr apps finally packaged for debian but it doesn't matter much because all of them are deprecated already. Sep 15 06:11:08 PaulFertser, heh... on the other hand... who knows *when* the actuall deprecation will be effective :P Sep 15 06:11:14 -l Sep 15 06:37:32 How's the testing image doing now? Sep 15 06:37:42 and Hi vegyraupe mrmoku PaulFertser and everyone else :) Sep 15 06:37:49 hi rhkfin Sep 15 06:44:08 rhkfin, testing looks good so far... If we won't hear anything negative we should announce it soon Sep 15 06:44:11 bbl Sep 15 06:46:19 rhkfin: hey :) Sep 15 06:46:36 mrmoku|away: negative == probably still doesn't work on gta01 fully Sep 15 07:01:09 PaulFertser: my dsl-modem Sep 15 07:02:34 actually a dsl-wifi-router Sep 15 07:02:52 zyxel p660 Sep 15 07:03:06 ok, waiting for the announcement :) Sep 15 07:03:38 So did you take a snapshot of -unstable or how was it decided what goes into testing? Who will be maintaining it? Nytowl? Sep 15 07:05:19 rhkfin: not a snapshot... testing is defined by setting fixed revs for some core components Sep 15 07:05:44 and we will maintain it alltogether... try to decide weekly what rev of testing we want to update Sep 15 07:05:57 and try to provide sane upgrade paths Sep 15 07:07:12 so you have one devel trunk that's unstable. Some certain revisions that seem to work, are released as testing - and you try to make them upgradeable? Sep 15 07:07:43 more or less... yes Sep 15 07:08:07 devel and testing share the same git branch inside OE Sep 15 07:08:17 ok, got it Sep 15 07:08:26 mrmoku: what do i need to get phonelog on debian? pyphonelog? Sep 15 07:08:30 and the difference is that for testing some of the important packages want automatically upgrade without us testing it Sep 15 07:08:32 And testing will be updated ~weekly? Sep 15 07:08:37 right Sep 15 07:08:49 rhkfin: yeah, we want to try to do it weekly Sep 15 07:09:10 PaulFertser: pyphonelog... and the python binding for the phonetools lib thingie Sep 15 07:09:19 (and the lib itself of course) Sep 15 07:09:49 mrmoku: ok, sound's like a lot to me but OTOH allows many current unstable users who upgrade ~weekly to move over. Sep 15 07:10:04 PaulFertser: and pyphonelog is using opimd nowadays... so you shouldn't need ophonekitd... just opimd enabled frameworkd Sep 15 07:10:12 But I'm sure many will stay around to use&test unstable -> sound's like a good plan to me :) Sep 15 07:10:15 mrmoku: pyphonelog is not compatible with python2.5 Sep 15 07:10:43 * mrmoku ducks as snakes frighten him ;) Sep 15 07:29:44 mrmoku, thanks a bunch Sep 15 07:52:51 do I need ophonekitd for shr-dialer latest ? Sep 15 07:54:23 also ophonekitd in debian has an xsession script broken in debian two [[ around an unquoted pidof with an exit in the script Sep 15 07:54:50 and the nice does not work due to xsession behing run as non root here Sep 15 07:55:24 prahal, you need ophonekitd for the dialer to do something yeah Sep 15 07:56:36 I fixed those tiny bits locally . Currently tracking why shr-dialer crash after ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback / event_callback in what seems to be efl (enightenment itself need a restart) Sep 15 08:56:54 cool DBUS spec template mrmoku Sep 15 08:57:18 links don't work when watching it directly from the raw git repo, but otherwise nice Sep 15 09:14:49 spaetz, lets fill it with life now :) Sep 15 09:15:03 PaulFertser, ping Sep 15 09:15:16 PaulFertser, I have a wifi related kernel oops Sep 15 09:15:46 PaulFertser, though it might be obsolete as the testing kernel is missing the ar6000 revert Sep 15 09:15:54 updating it now Sep 15 09:19:33 mrmoku: small and safe.. http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/130/ Sep 15 09:20:03 mrmoku: paroli build fails otherwise.. Sep 15 09:21:07 JaMa: limit for mails is now 100k by the way Sep 15 09:21:37 Ainulindale: not enough for neo-theme patches :) Sep 15 09:21:50 yes :-) Sep 15 09:22:21 Ainulindale: I have about 1,5MB splited to 5 separate patches :/ Sep 15 09:23:08 Paroli is currently under heavy development/rework, don't expect the git head to work yet... Sep 15 09:23:29 rhkfin: angus just commited AUTOREV to shr/import again :) Sep 15 09:23:53 rhkfin: and almost fixed build.. only 2 typos left (probably wrong regexp used) Sep 15 09:24:28 rhkfin: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/import&id=b1b6257b1b47b6a1849e03fe14c5c31051e1ca0b Sep 15 09:25:03 JaMa: oh, ok.. Sep 15 09:25:25 Well you better listen to him, he knows what's happening, I just try to follow others :) Sep 15 09:46:42 what the heck is atd-over-fso and why does building it fail? Sep 15 09:46:47 repeatedly tar: /home/spaetz/src/shrbuildenv/downloads/apps.atd_anoncvs.handhelds.org_ATD-0_70_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Sep 15 09:47:07 I cleaned and tried torebuild already Sep 15 09:47:56 mrmoku: can you get traces for kernel oops? Sep 15 09:48:10 spaetz, via dmesgt Sep 15 09:48:12 -t Sep 15 09:48:18 I haven't managed to get one for my wep-related kernel oops Sep 15 09:49:08 spaetz, why not? Sep 15 09:49:53 it freezes and I can't see/do anything Sep 15 09:50:55 ahh bad Sep 15 09:51:07 no more X, no ssh Sep 15 09:51:22 well, I still see X, but it is frozen :) Sep 15 10:10:25 JaMa, paroli thing is applied Sep 15 11:05:22 (03.20.42) sre_: 112 (one-one-two) is the emergency telephone number in the European Union member states, the Republic of Colombia (South America) and worldwide (on GSM mobile networks). Sep 15 11:06:01 ^^ not 100% correct. At least in Hungary there is no 112. (and Hungary is part of the EU) Sep 15 11:10:18 doh, my bad. There is 112, if we want police and/or fireworkers and/or ambulance at the *same* time Sep 15 11:12:13 each service has its own number (ambulance = 104, fireworkers = 105, police = 107) Sep 15 11:19:23 khiraly_mc2: in finland they just deprecated all other emergency numbers than 112 Sep 15 11:22:11 lindi-: doh, I just read all over the net, that the average connection time to the police is 10-20 mins Sep 15 11:22:34 and no matter what you call, 112 or the direct 107.;)) Sep 15 11:23:01 Im much more calm now;) Sep 15 11:24:00 khiraly_mc2: heh :) Sep 15 11:24:26 I never read the backlogs in the irc windows Sep 15 11:24:30 (had a look at the phone operator, they had average connection time of about 6 minutes) Sep 15 11:24:32 s/s// Sep 15 11:24:32 khiraly_mc2 meant: I never read the backlog in the irc windows Sep 15 11:26:50 we have 112 here too.. Sep 15 11:27:00 (Czech Republic) Sep 15 11:27:07 rhkfin: yeah, the best story what I read on the net, that a guy seen a tyre on the highway. And also saw a police car who was making radar on the highway. He let known the policemens, and they said, its not their business, they are here to make radar. Sep 15 11:27:13 but I had to use the emergency number once and there was fortunately no delay Sep 15 11:27:16 only 2s or so.. Sep 15 11:28:03 After a month he received a punishment from the polic that he parked on the highway;)) (the policemens also reported the car by its license plate) Sep 15 11:28:09 the best story ever;) Sep 15 11:29:51 khiraly_mc2, we can park here on highways in case of emergency.. Sep 15 11:30:07 obstruction on the highway definitely counts Sep 15 11:30:38 yepp, but you also need to place a triangle about 50meter before your car, and also you need to switch on the emergency signal on the car Sep 15 11:30:44 but of course you have to stop outside high speed lanes Sep 15 11:31:22 khiraly_mc2, we have to do that too but only if our car visibility is bad enough.. like if its after a peak or something, you put it before the peak Sep 15 11:31:48 but you definitely have to switch on the emergency signal Sep 15 11:31:51 but its not the morality here. How f*cking mad were these policemens. Instead of making action (ie. they remove the tyre from the highway), they also reported the poor guy for a punishment Sep 15 11:32:16 khiraly_mc2, yeah. thats just plain crazy Sep 15 11:33:08 and he parked just near the police car.... Sep 15 11:34:02 heh as if he was gonna jam the traffic any more than the cops did Sep 15 11:50:08 that's why I'm happy to avoid any kind of contact with police at all Sep 15 11:50:34 my first - and fortunately only - contact was the policeman trying to convince me that I committed arson Sep 15 11:51:50 and when I wanted to call the cops half a year back, I got a 1 minute "ringing" tone, then "line busy" Sep 15 11:53:22 blindcoder: any you did place the fire? Sep 15 11:53:23 ;) Sep 15 11:54:02 khiraly_mc2: nah, my dad dropped part of his cigarette into the clothes bin Sep 15 11:54:40 took some hours for the fire to start, so I was the only one home at the time it got noticed Sep 15 11:55:35 blindcoder: and was it a nice house? Sep 15 11:55:53 before you burned down to earth Sep 15 11:55:55 ;-) Sep 15 11:56:03 mrmoku: ping Sep 15 11:56:38 dos1|school, pong Sep 15 11:57:05 khiraly_mc: hehe ;) it still is, just one room went fubar Sep 15 11:57:11 mrmoku: on buildhost there is /home/shr/dos/ directory with patches i did overnight Sep 15 11:57:21 * mrmoku looks Sep 15 11:57:25 mrmoku: could you commit them? (except that one marked as BROKEN) Sep 15 11:57:50 btw, when will be packaged the newest enlightenment? (or at least python-edje and python-elementary?) Sep 15 11:57:50 ;) Sep 15 11:57:52 blindcoder: ;) Sep 15 11:58:03 dos1|school, ok Sep 15 11:58:16 * blindcoder goes back to manually parsing email-bodies Sep 15 11:58:32 why are things with 'simple' in the protocol always !simple? Sep 15 12:02:12 dos1|school, applied and pushed Sep 15 12:11:21 nice update :) Sep 15 12:18:25 blindcoder: that's an ancient habit to use magic spells on frightening things Sep 15 12:21:17 blindcoder: e.g. call a sea "silent" though it isn't Sep 15 12:21:46 s/sea/ocean/ Sep 15 12:21:46 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: blindcoder: e.g. call a ocean "silent" though it isn't Sep 15 12:29:28 hmm Sep 15 12:42:56 DocScrutinizer-8: palm pixi specs: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9895/palm-pixi-processor-full-spec-sheet/ Sep 15 12:45:37 mrmoku: testing kernel missing ar6000 revert? That doesn't make sense... Sep 15 12:45:44 DocScrutinizer-8: seems to be the same with fscking e-mails, and no viable solution to it in C Sep 15 12:45:50 mrmoku: ;) Sep 15 12:48:34 PaulFertser: isn't it a joke? with WEP my FR segfaults, with WPA my AP does the same. Seems I had to use "open" to get WiFi connectivity :-S Sep 15 12:49:03 DocScrutinizer-8: looks like a bad joke indeed. Sep 15 12:49:39 DocScrutinizer-8: probably if you provide kernel messages for oops, somebody'll be able to bandaid it. Sep 15 12:53:13 PaulFertser, doesn't make sense to have that kernel in testing or my phrasing? Sep 15 12:54:34 PaulFertser: what's the kernel that I should test next? Sep 15 12:54:38 PaulFertser: still andy-tracking head? Sep 15 12:54:48 PaulFertser: or openwrt 2.6.31? Sep 15 12:54:56 PaulFertser: or just wait? Sep 15 12:55:10 mrmoku: doesn't make sense to have unfixed kernel in testing release. Sep 15 12:55:24 lindi-: larsc told me yesterday he starts working on pushing .31 in the OM repo. Sep 15 12:55:27 PaulFertser, good, because I already updated it ;) Sep 15 12:55:38 lindi-: do you want to tell me that he's already released .31 for openwrt? Sep 15 12:56:14 PaulFertser: well I noticed the origin/om-2.6.31 branch Sep 15 12:56:28 larsc: is .31 in a state where it could be tested? Sep 15 13:39:31 lindi-: no Sep 15 13:39:52 i'm working on it Sep 15 13:47:44 shit Sep 15 13:47:49 i didn't log out from school ;x Sep 15 13:52:46 larsc: ok. Sep 15 13:52:57 larsc: can I give feedback somehow while you are working on it? ;) Sep 15 13:54:13 ok, irc ghosted, gmail logged out Sep 15 13:54:27 i didn't have anything more ;) Sep 15 13:57:43 did someone got woosh and tangogps (also midori but not a critical matter) to have the same font size ? when I set the font size to 5 in gtkrc ... tagops is fine but woosh is so small not to be readable ... and font size to 10 woosh is fine, tangops is too big . I set -dpi 96 in the X args Sep 15 13:57:46 hmm someone here for some c++ help? i have a class, i have a static callback function (which has to be static because of the library i use) and i want to call a non-static function from the static function which sets members of the class Sep 15 13:58:03 with no -dpi .. I had also woosh too small n tangogps fine Sep 15 13:58:21 so it was on a different scale Sep 15 13:59:05 prahal: easier to just fake the dpi of X sever Sep 15 13:59:08 prahal: easier to just fake the dpi of X server Sep 15 13:59:58 I already did Sep 15 14:00:35 but woosh and tangogps have so big a difference between their understanding of dpi that I cannot get both to be close Sep 15 14:00:49 ie " I set -dpi 96 in the X args" Sep 15 14:01:34 and midori this is funny because the application itslef is size ok but the rendering engine render fonts so big Sep 15 14:01:55 the problem is: do you adapt apps to operate on a 2.8' screen properly (means fontsize 3pt..4pt), or do you fake to pretend the screen is 14' and operate with usual fontsize like 11pt. Sep 15 14:02:14 the second way is a botch Sep 15 14:02:28 and pointsize is absolute Sep 15 14:02:45 lindi-: as soon as there is something to test i'll tell you Sep 15 14:02:50 how do you adapt applications ... by rewritting their font handling ? Sep 15 14:03:18 means, with correct dpi, a 11pt is just same size on a 14' as it is on 2.8' Sep 15 14:03:24 prahal: woosh and tangogps have about the same font size here Sep 15 14:03:36 because I tried both gtkrc font size and xorg dpi ... same neet result woosh and tangogps live in different worlds Sep 15 14:04:00 DocScrutinizer-8: problem is that in addition to DPI you should also tell the programs the distance between screen and user :) Sep 15 14:04:24 and I don't think there is any standard for that Sep 15 14:04:32 lindi-: hehe, absolutely correct. Alas X doesn't have this Sep 15 14:05:11 so I just resorted into faking the DPI value. that way I don't need to reconfigure all my applications separately Sep 15 14:05:23 hi Sep 15 14:05:28 PaulFertser: ping Sep 15 14:06:05 khiraly1: pong Sep 15 14:06:29 PaulFertser: Im not happy with the battery forecast on the freerunner. Is it 16:05 here. The phone displays (remaining 0% 0:00) since 13 oclock Sep 15 14:06:43 I was able to place a call and receive a call too Sep 15 14:06:52 this is stock freerunner battery Sep 15 14:06:56 khiraly1: let it fully discharge Sep 15 14:07:01 khiraly1: and then charge it to full Sep 15 14:07:05 hmm, ok Sep 15 14:07:18 khiraly1: it should make it displaying better values (that's some sort of calibration) Sep 15 14:07:31 ok, Im counting how many minutes it will last Sep 15 14:08:07 khiraly1: yes, he's right. I was going to expose a flag from bq27000 telling user if bq27k can give a good estimate or not. Sep 15 14:09:09 khiraly1: you can use DocScrutinizer-8's script to see it right now if you're interested. Sep 15 14:09:17 i also have 0% ATM ;) Sep 15 14:09:50 hello Sep 15 14:09:55 PaulFertser: gimme url pls Sep 15 14:10:21 khiraly1: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail Sep 15 14:10:24 mickey|zzZZzz: ringtone is "jumping" when using fsodeviced :/ Sep 15 14:10:42 khiraly1: needs bash Sep 15 14:10:53 hmm Sep 15 14:10:55 bash Sep 15 14:10:55 mickey|zzZZzz: but it starts ringing really fast :) Sep 15 14:11:36 khiraly1: hmm? opkg install bash Sep 15 14:11:55 oh about rings... I'm no longer able to use .sid files! Sep 15 14:12:00 khiraly1: which I'd recommend anyway ;-) Sep 15 14:12:13 I *HATE* BUSYBOX Sep 15 14:12:48 DocScrutinizer, yeah, just if I plug in to the computer, it will charge itself Sep 15 14:13:01 anyway, I did Sep 15 14:13:51 khiraly1: you could stop this by just removing bat as soon as connected to PC Sep 15 14:14:09 ok, removed Sep 15 14:15:29 khiraly1: you also could simply 'cat */*foo/dump >tempfile' and later decode this raw values in tmpfile with a modified bq27k-script Sep 15 14:16:10 too late, im installing bash, and will see on the freerunner Sep 15 14:16:34 khiraly1: for that purpose you could even run that modified script on PCs bash Sep 15 14:22:36 anyway iirc I didn't do the fancy to mask out each single status bit in this script, so you had to dissect the according status reg byte yourself to find status of the flag paul mentioned Sep 15 14:23:31 hmm Sep 15 14:23:44 khiraly1: CI is bit 4 Sep 15 14:23:57 estimated-full and similar values are plaintext though Sep 15 14:23:59 khiraly1: counting from 0 Sep 15 14:24:06 ok, Im gonna write a script Sep 15 14:24:22 for i in `seq 1 50`; do echo "do stuff here"; sleep 1 ; done Sep 15 14:24:31 khiraly1: or just look at the dump and extract bit 4 from 0x0a register manually Sep 15 14:25:11 ok, too late Sep 15 14:25:15 it switched off Sep 15 14:25:35 I have the tempfile however, just from two minutes ago Sep 15 14:25:47 khiraly1: as here, it also switched off :) Sep 15 14:26:19 the good thing, is I took off from the charger yesterday morning at 6:30 Sep 15 14:26:30 and now is it 16:26 Sep 15 14:26:44 so its about 34 hours Sep 15 14:27:14 khiraly1: about 1 AM it was 45% of battery Sep 15 14:27:17 sounds about normal Sep 15 14:27:28 khiraly1: now it's 16:26 and it discharged ;) Sep 15 14:27:48 at 6:40 was 22% this morning Sep 15 14:27:53 (with my little help - phoning, listening to loud music) Sep 15 14:27:55 so seems to be about the same Sep 15 14:28:09 i didnt used the whole day, except some wakepus to check the time Sep 15 14:28:24 and 2 calls (but was already at 0%) Sep 15 14:28:27 i used just as always Sep 15 14:29:01 oh, I used also my paroli-calculator app for 15-20 min Sep 15 14:30:37 . Components Sep 15 14:30:37 should be fine (LCD is without any scratch) except of damaged PCB and missing Sep 15 14:30:37 micro-USB and micro-BNC connectors. Sep 15 14:30:51 hehh, another poor guy applying himself the hardware fixes .... Sep 15 14:31:09 khiraly1: i really doubt that Sep 15 14:35:31 ok. I cant find at all 0805 sized 22uF capacitor here in Hungary. I already asked on the biggest hungarian electrical forum, they also suggested "google it". Sep 15 14:35:55 Looked in 8 big electrical shop... Sep 15 14:36:17 lindi-, got a close to your setup (same gtkrc and fake dpi ... I forgot to mention I discovered more ... the web page are ok in woosh when setting the zoom right ... but the bookmarks page is really small ... and it is this one I was testing beforehand Sep 15 14:37:37 prahal: probably woosh didn't follow the standard way other apps are going to accomodate 2.8' screen Sep 15 14:37:44 khiraly1: i could send it to you but i'm afraid snail mail from russia is really slow :( Sep 15 14:38:33 but ... well I bet it tries to be clever than us by applying fix to the gtk calculation Sep 15 14:39:00 prahal: maybe they implemented some special adaption, or you messed things with tweaking DPI Sep 15 14:39:40 after all fake DPI is a botch and rather deprecated Sep 15 14:40:26 e17 have a scale from dpi size ... but I bet this is specific to e17 and I tried finding anything close to it for gtk no luck Sep 15 14:40:52 thus with e17 based apps be it with or without fakedpi everything was fine Sep 15 14:42:01 (16.37.44) PaulFertser: khiraly1: i could send it to you but i'm afraid snail mail from russia is really slow :( <-- I dont care Sep 15 14:42:11 I can wait one-two months Sep 15 14:43:06 prahal: you can't mix both approaches. either keep correct DPI and fix the missbehaving apps, or fake DPI and live with too small fontsize in apps that do a sane fontsize calculation Sep 15 14:43:52 khiraly1: well, if you don't find other preferable solution, feel free to ask me. Tell in advance what other components you might want. Sep 15 14:44:10 yepp, I also want 4.7uF value 0402 sized capacitor Sep 15 14:44:15 60 pieces of them Sep 15 14:44:41 ok, make everything double, as I have two freerunners Sep 15 14:44:43 khiraly1: interesting. what for? Sep 15 14:44:49 bass fix Sep 15 14:44:54 ooh Sep 15 14:44:57 DocScrutinizer: you suggested the idea on the wiki page Sep 15 14:45:16 141uF would be fine for bass fix Sep 15 14:45:26 I can make whatever form from 30 pieces Sep 15 14:45:38 yes Sep 15 14:45:39 even a snake form of it Sep 15 14:47:09 khiraly1: anyway I suggest to use tantalum for bassfix (if you can find those in a convenient size like 0402) Sep 15 14:47:59 or - if you use ceram - go for at least 16V Sep 15 14:48:25 DocScrutinizer: could you make it clear once and for all for me please? these types can be for capacitors: 1. elko (the best, but due to the size, cant be fit), 2. tantalum (second best, gonna use this) 3. ceramium (dicouraged due to harmonic distortion given the high bandwith) Sep 15 14:48:30 did I get it right? Sep 15 14:48:51 yes, absolutely Sep 15 14:49:06 is there any other capacitor types, what Im not aware of? Sep 15 14:49:31 not anything of relevance Sep 15 14:49:52 super, thanks Sep 15 14:50:50 PaulFertser: my checklist for two freerunners: 4 22uF 0805 sized capacitor (ceramic or tantalum), 150pieces of 0402 sized 4.7uF tantalum capacitor Sep 15 14:50:59 that way, I will have some spare Sep 15 14:51:03 If I loose some of them Sep 15 14:51:10 khiraly1: tantalum won't work for 1024 fix Sep 15 14:51:17 ok Sep 15 14:51:30 PaulFertser: my checklist for two freerunners: 4 22uF 0805 sized ceramic capacitor, 150pieces of 0402 sized 4.7uF tantalum capacitor Sep 15 14:52:00 PaulFertser: may I ask why? Sep 15 14:52:42 khiraly1: potentially too high ESR Sep 15 14:53:25 aham Sep 15 14:54:45 Guys, check this out, it's HOT: http://chip-dip.ru/images/products/payalnik4h.gif Sep 15 14:55:03 doh Sep 15 14:55:03 PaulFertser: I'm glad I can retire tomorrow and know there will be competent advice still ;-) Sep 15 14:56:28 too hot even ;-) Sep 15 14:56:45 btw, if 0402 sized tantalum capacitor exists bigger value then 4.7uF, then take that instead;) Sep 15 14:58:04 it seems, there exists 4.7, 6.8 and 10uF too Sep 15 14:58:52 btw, what are the voltage rating of those capacitors? Sep 15 14:59:03 I'd be really astonished to learn this Sep 15 14:59:05 for 1024 fix can be 2V? Sep 15 14:59:42 hm, tantalum caps are "type A", "type B" and so on. Sep 15 14:59:52 http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?Detail&name=478-5343-2-ND Sep 15 15:00:08 10uF, 6.3V, 15Ohm ESR Sep 15 15:00:15 khiraly1: nah, 2V is too low Sep 15 15:00:21 i've always been told 4.7u ceram is the best we can place on existing pads of GTA02, instead of those nasty 1u Sep 15 15:00:24 2, 4, 6.3 Sep 15 15:00:38 1u? Sep 15 15:00:43 khiraly1: bass fix Sep 15 15:00:49 khiraly1: there're 1u there Sep 15 15:01:30 and for gta02a8 I pushed them to 4.7 Sep 15 15:01:31 yeah, Im gonna use my creativity and make some art of 30 pieces of capacitors Sep 15 15:01:36 dunno, an openmoko logo Sep 15 15:01:38 khiraly1: looks like there's no tantalum of size 0402 Sep 15 15:02:02 there is on digikey Sep 15 15:02:14 is the ESR value significant? Sep 15 15:02:20 for 1024? for bass fix? Sep 15 15:02:41 for bass no, as you are paralleling dozens Sep 15 15:02:59 hehh, the minimum quantity is 1000 pieces Sep 15 15:03:10 sigma-ESR should be <<1Ohm Sep 15 15:03:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology#Package_sizes Sep 15 15:03:21 am I reading right, that the unit price is more then 2 dollars? Sep 15 15:03:53 pretty expensive ... Sep 15 15:04:08 or 2 dollar is for 1000 pieces? Sep 15 15:06:22 khiraly1: here #1024 suitable cap costs ~1.2 Sep 15 15:06:31 $ Sep 15 15:06:45 ok, for 1024 what are the minimum voltage? Sep 15 15:07:03 6.3V? 4V? 3V? Sep 15 15:07:51 khiraly1: 6.3 i'd say Sep 15 15:07:58 ok Sep 15 15:08:01 and for bass fix? Sep 15 15:08:08 nah, probably 3V3 Sep 15 15:08:15 hi Sep 15 15:08:18 so 4V is fine too? Sep 15 15:08:22 bass: 4V Sep 15 15:08:22 (for 1024) Sep 15 15:08:36 aham. So for bass 4V or 6.3V Sep 15 15:08:48 and for 1024: 6.3V Sep 15 15:08:50 is it right? Sep 15 15:09:03 for 1024 I had to check calypso datasheet Sep 15 15:09:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07cornucopia * reb3e1f77f86d 10/fsonetworkd/data/org.freesmartphone.onetworkd.service.in: fsonetworkd: fix dbus activation file Sep 15 15:09:24 DocScrutinizer: no need. 6.3V then, and no problem will occur Sep 15 15:09:46 is it a known problem, that enlightenment crashes if the keyboard is deactivated and (i think) a process sends an keyboard-hide-event (i even don't know if that exists, but that's my suspect) Sep 15 15:09:51 ? Sep 15 15:10:05 but a have headache, nausea, and a bad tooth without looking at those calypso sheets right now ;-) Sep 15 15:11:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07cornucopia * rf07f80fffd61 10/fsotimed/data/org.freesmartphone.otimed.service.in: fsotimed: fix typo in dbus activation file Sep 15 15:11:58 poor mickey|zzZZzz, poor Sep 15 15:11:58 PaulFertser: these small sized capacitors are more expensive then gold Sep 15 15:11:59 ;) Sep 15 15:12:01 do you know if is possible to use dma for uSD in FR? Sep 15 15:12:19 no Sep 15 15:12:20 khiraly1: i'd say it's ok, you don't need hundreds of them Sep 15 15:12:26 a21_work: glamo :( Sep 15 15:12:56 PaulFertser: for 1024, you are right, I only need one (and a spare if I mess something up) Sep 15 15:13:13 but for bass fix, I would like to fit under the can. connecting parallel Sep 15 15:13:21 a21_work: thanks to larsc the new kernel will give 30% boost with the screen blanked but that's about maximum that can be archived. Sep 15 15:13:42 khiraly1: i can't see why you want to go through all that trouble instead of placing them outside... Sep 15 15:13:58 DocScrutinizer-8, my issue with non fakedpi and with it is the same ... two gtk applications that read the same gtkrc file and render differently ... but lindi told me he did not had the issue ... I don't know what s wrong ... I just tested reverting all changes (fakedpi and e17 scale) and I got the exact same results for woosh and tangogps : tangogps and woosh internal pages are ok ... woosh interface too small Sep 15 15:14:01 dont want to place outside. Its ugly Sep 15 15:14:21 not that it will change much that I encounter an issue though Sep 15 15:14:45 I ll do without bookmarks (or learn by hearts their order) Sep 15 15:14:46 what is the biggest package which fits vertically under the can of bass fix? Sep 15 15:14:52 PaulFertser: tnx Sep 15 15:15:06 0603 can fit? If I encapsulate it with scotch tape Sep 15 15:17:27 Aha, s/archive/achieve/ silly me Sep 15 15:21:35 Im just realising now, how expensive are these small pieces Sep 15 15:22:15 freerunner really costs more then 300$. No matter what other says Sep 15 15:23:59 khiraly1: all those small parts are 10x or more cheaper if bought in quantities in china. Sep 15 15:24:22 parts.digikey lists them in quantity of 3000 or 10000 Sep 15 15:24:30 and the price is lower, but not 10 times Sep 15 15:27:14 what is sad about this story, that you cant run a successful electronic company (which produce leading edge electronic products) outside of china/taiwan Sep 15 15:34:59 hmm Sep 15 15:35:42 PaulFertser: just to clarify: I need 0603 metric size for 1024 fix, no? Sep 15 15:36:00 it lists on digikey as 0201 (0603 metric) Sep 15 15:36:05 mil Sep 15 15:36:23 to other package type is: Sep 15 15:36:31 0603 (1608 metric) Sep 15 15:36:45 this one is the good? Sep 15 15:37:00 yo I guess Sep 15 15:37:05 0603 (1608 metric) : 0.063" × 0.031" (1.6 mm × 0.8 mm) Typical power rating for resistors 1/16 Watt Sep 15 15:37:17 0201 (0603 metric) : 0.024" × 0.012" (0.6 mm × 0.3 mm) Typical power rating for resistors 1/20 Watt Sep 15 15:37:33 so 1.6mm x 0.8mm ? Sep 15 15:38:36 for 1024 yes Sep 15 15:38:49 ok. thank you Sep 15 15:39:00 (it is really PITA to have so many packaging types) Sep 15 15:39:01 khiraly1: 0805 (2012 metric) Sep 15 15:39:08 khiraly1: not 0603 for #1024 fix Sep 15 15:39:13 ok Sep 15 15:39:36 I'm actually losing my bran atm Sep 15 15:39:41 brain Sep 15 15:39:43 PaulFertser: doh, you are right Sep 15 15:39:45 bbl Sep 15 15:39:52 im just lost in these packaging options Sep 15 15:43:38 http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?Detail&name=445-1422-1-ND Sep 15 16:08:41 are there plans to have neon stick to the orientation choosen (as I am not editing, not persisting the choice looks weird). And finger scrolling ? :) Sep 15 16:09:42 would be neat to preload the next image, though may eat too much memory Sep 15 16:11:12 evening Sep 15 16:12:18 mickeyl: hey! Sep 15 16:12:27 mickeyl: i have fsodeviced running Sep 15 16:13:09 dos1: great! how's it treating you? Sep 15 16:13:48 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r99fcf6dfc6c2 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Sep 15 16:13:48 freesmartphone.org: Add org.freesmartphone.MusicPlayer and Sep 15 16:13:48 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.MusicPlayer.Playlist Sep 15 16:13:49