**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 21 02:59:56 2009 Sep 21 06:30:57 Hi! Sep 21 06:41:35 JaMa, hello, fellow Czech XD Sep 21 06:43:58 :) Sep 21 06:44:00 cau Sep 21 06:58:53 Weiss: nice update with mesa! testing now and my day is interesting again :)) Sep 21 08:23:46 JaMa: :) you have the psychadelic glxdemo working? Sep 21 08:28:35 Weiss: I've cleaned up workdir and started from scratch.. so I don't have even kernel now :) Sep 21 08:28:48 Weiss: but I'll test tonight.. Sep 21 08:29:17 ah, ok :) Sep 21 09:14:08 morning, how is Xorg going? Sep 21 09:22:24 Heinervdm: hi Sep 21 09:22:32 JaMa: hi :) Sep 21 09:22:49 Heinervdm: I'm rebuilding from scratch .. but kms.conf again :) Sep 21 09:22:58 ok :) Sep 21 09:22:58 Heinervdm: thanks for patching xorg.conf :) Sep 21 09:51:49 mrmoku: Hi, why do we prefer glibc so old? Sep 21 09:52:39 mrmoku: for angstrom I have some 2.9, but 2.6.1 for shr.. Sep 21 09:52:41 moim mrmoku Sep 21 09:55:10 mrmoku: just compiled and tested ffalarms 0.2.4, it's working. But this version needs vala 0.7.6 Sep 21 09:55:18 moin moin Sep 21 09:55:29 Heinervdm: and newer EFL, no? Sep 21 09:55:39 JaMa: (glibc) no idea Sep 21 09:55:52 mrmoku: i compiled with current shr/import Sep 21 09:56:00 hmm... interesting Sep 21 09:56:20 I thought it would need libeflvala... and that in turn needs a patch for E to build properly Sep 21 09:56:46 i added libeflvala to DEPENDS Sep 21 09:56:51 btw. dos1 started a build from scratch on the buildhost... still building Sep 21 09:57:19 so he couldn't solve the buildproblem for libfsobasics? Sep 21 09:58:27 build problems in fso basics? Sep 21 09:58:30 Heinervdm: on idea... mickey said it is building for him Sep 21 09:58:36 s/on/no/ Sep 21 09:58:37 mrmoku meant: Heinervdm: no idea... mickey said it is building for him Sep 21 09:58:54 mrmoku: it's building for me too, that was the problem :) Sep 21 09:59:17 Heinervdm: thus the rebuild from scratch... to get rid of all the old cruft ;) Sep 21 09:59:48 Heinervdm, can you paste the log somewhere? Sep 21 10:00:03 I removed my tmp some days ago, so my build was nearly from scratch Sep 21 10:00:11 playya: my build was fine Sep 21 10:00:24 and on the builhost the log is gone now Sep 21 10:00:39 playya: i think it was a problem with old headers Sep 21 10:00:41 ok Sep 21 10:02:48 mrmoku: when i build a package, the Packages.gz in the deploy dir should provide this package directly? Sep 21 10:03:01 or do i need to do something else? Sep 21 10:03:35 i built a package made opkg update, but if i try to install the package is not there Sep 21 10:03:59 Heinervdm: package-index? Sep 21 10:04:13 mrmoku: yes Sep 21 10:04:36 bitbake foobar; bitbake package-index is enough Sep 21 10:05:05 ok Sep 21 10:09:18 hmm, after starting vagalume the mouse cursor is back... Sep 21 10:09:45 heh, finally a cursor! yeah ;-) Sep 21 10:10:20 DocScrutinizer-8: i installed a transparent cursor to get rid of it ;) Sep 21 10:10:35 Heinervdm: I know Sep 21 10:11:35 Heinervdm: I prefer a scheme to actively switch cursor images though. Like e.g. cursor vanishing after 3 sec in Xterm Sep 21 10:11:55 sth. like unclutter Sep 21 10:15:09 Heinervdm: iirc that's a very simple call of set-cursor(*cursor.png). No? Sep 21 10:15:23 don't know :) Sep 21 10:18:18 Heinervdm: imagine users connecting a mouse to USB, e.g. Sep 21 10:19:18 * raster thinks imagining users is an unhealthy habit Sep 21 10:19:34 DocScrutinizer-8: but that's an advanced user, he can also unstall the cursor theme and install sth. else that hides the cursor Sep 21 10:19:44 raster: :-) Sep 21 10:19:51 :) Sep 21 10:19:55 wassap doc! Sep 21 10:20:50 raster: pretty vacant (to quote sex pistols ;) Sep 21 10:22:06 raster: isn't that a genuine task of win-manager to select (and maybe hide) cursor image? Sep 21 10:22:08 raster: i've been to "arm developers forum" several days ago and there some of ARM represantatives promised that there will be some cool arm netbooks ready by xmas. :D Sep 21 10:23:50 raster: oh, btw, i discovered OpenOCD still doesn't support SWD (basically jtag over 2 wires but it also allows some advanced things like real-time pin voltage reporting etc) that was introduced in Cortex-M3. What a shame, all the documentation necessary to implement was open i guess ~2 years ago. Sep 21 10:23:53 DocScrutinizer-8: cursor as in mouse pointer?? wm can only do so much. it can make an invisible ptr for the root window and any windows not setting their own inherit it Sep 21 10:24:19 but toolkits and apps can set their own pointers on their own windows and thus anything the wm or whatevrr set on root is overridden by the app and/or toolkit Sep 21 10:24:22 so no. it cant Sep 21 10:24:24 :) Sep 21 10:24:27 (not universally) Sep 21 10:24:57 PaulFertser: :) Sep 21 10:25:04 raster: and of course the mandatory "Hey, raster, what's up" :) Sep 21 10:25:06 raster: that's exactly what I assumed. WM selecting cursor "root" Sep 21 10:25:47 PaulFertser: hahahah Sep 21 10:26:06 DocScrutinizer-8: thats all it can do. apps can override (apps includes toolkits) Sep 21 10:26:10 raster: so WM is the place to switch between ts (invisible cursor) and mouse (normal cursor) Sep 21 10:26:15 and a lot of toolkits do Sep 21 10:26:26 eg when mouse over an entry box, u get an entry mouse cursor Sep 21 10:26:40 hmm no. only some of it can be in wm Sep 21 10:29:21 raster: well, the topic was: should we have a theme that doesn't provide any visible cursor, or should some "app" (like WM) switch cursor "dynamically" so you could e.g. have a checkbox 'hide cursor' Sep 21 10:29:52 raster: I'd prefer second approach Sep 21 10:30:14 e can have an invisible cursor as a theme Sep 21 10:30:16 but as i said Sep 21 10:30:24 it will have zero affect on apps that set cursors themselves Sep 21 10:30:29 and a lot of apps/toolkits do Sep 21 10:30:35 yoh, apps can change that Sep 21 10:33:55 btw, winmoob (on OMNIA) does exactly that - make cursor hide/show a setup option Sep 21 10:34:00 * DocScrutinizer-8 hides Sep 21 10:40:51 Heinervdm: uninstalling one theme and installing another one to switch cursor visibility on mouse-plugin... that sounds like old windoof pun "you moved the mouse cursor. Please reboot windows for these changes to take effect" Sep 21 10:41:43 DocScrutinizer-8: i know. but again. there is no way to do it in 1 spot Sep 21 10:41:48 DocScrutinizer-8: i meant, he can install unclutter wich hides the cursor after 3 seconds Sep 21 10:41:53 its spread between wm and apps+toolkits Sep 21 10:42:01 there isnt an x global "turn cursor off" mode Sep 21 10:42:08 it'd be possible to add one via na x extension of course Sep 21 10:44:39 morning :) Sep 21 10:44:57 dos1: morning Sep 21 10:44:58 i feel muuuch better today :) Sep 21 10:48:07 http://nopaste.com/p/alXB9XLqu - any ideas? Sep 21 10:49:09 viq: ignore it Sep 21 10:54:27 dos1: say that there too: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/586#comment:3 Sep 21 10:56:35 Heinervdm: done Sep 21 11:03:28 * DocScrutinizer-8 shakes head about some users' ticket notions Sep 21 11:04:09 maybe he could have reopened a KDE ticket for that? ;-P Sep 21 11:10:13 Hi there, got a funny question: how do I add a new contact in SHR (-u, upgraded ~ a week ago). I can enter the name but how do I get to the number field? Tab jumps to next line, so does enter, clicking the number field does nothing..... Sep 21 11:10:44 and is it safe to upgrade? Sep 21 11:10:55 .. and how's testing doing? Sep 21 11:12:31 rhkfin: clicking number field should work Sep 21 11:12:50 Heinervdm: ok.. it doesn't.. Sep 21 11:13:10 But it's not that easy in elementary to hit the right spot Sep 21 11:13:20 try multiple times Sep 21 11:13:39 and upgrade i currently unsafe Sep 21 11:13:42 right spot..? I got a 1.5cm * 5cm area and I need to hit 'the right spot'...?? So where's the spot? Sep 21 11:14:13 rhkfin: don't know where it is exactly :) Sep 21 11:14:17 rhkfin: you need to click to where the curser is supposed to appear Sep 21 11:14:28 DocScrutinizer-8: oh, that's bad.. Sep 21 11:14:32 hmm.. now it crashed.. Sep 21 11:14:34 yep Sep 21 11:14:36 too many clicks, I guess :) Sep 21 11:14:50 known issue with "obsolete" phone-apps Sep 21 11:15:13 with opimd-utils that's gone Sep 21 11:15:14 so the opimd-version works better? Sep 21 11:15:17 right.. Sep 21 11:15:20 dos1: fine you feel better :) Sep 21 11:15:30 raster: it should be easier to focus a writeable elementary entry ;) Sep 21 11:15:35 Heinervdm: did your build from scratch include xf86-video-glamo in the image? Sep 21 11:15:48 is the multi-recipient SMS supposed to work? Sep 21 11:16:03 mrmoku: no, because i added it afterwards to xserver-xorg-conf reciepe Sep 21 11:16:05 (and I just realized that my sent messages are not stored :/ Sep 21 11:16:19 rhkfin: multi-recipient should work I think Sep 21 11:16:37 multi-recipient SMS with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, yup? Sep 21 11:16:38 Heinervdm: I think XSERVER is wrong Sep 21 11:16:39 it worked for me Sep 21 11:16:42 mrmoku: ok, thanks Sep 21 11:16:56 dos1: multi-recipient I think yes... multi-SMS not so :) Sep 21 11:17:01 will try, let's hope people will reply to me. Maybe I'll add myself there too :) Sep 21 11:17:06 mrmoku: yup ;) Sep 21 11:17:08 Heinervdm: just pressing on it should be enough Sep 21 11:17:28 Heinervdm: tho as such yes - entries are made too small. i should adjust for finger size. i dont atm Sep 21 11:17:29 mrmoku: sending multi-SMS doesn't work even on opimd-utils (due to my laziness :P) Sep 21 11:17:29 Heinervdm: does xf86-input-tslib build for you? Sep 21 11:17:30 its a 1 liner Sep 21 11:17:30 So what's the status of -testing? Sep 21 11:17:35 raster: that's not that easy with the touchscreen, you have to be very exact Sep 21 11:17:45 Heinervdm: hmm? Sep 21 11:17:59 mrmoku: no, use evdev Sep 21 11:18:01 Heinervdm: with correct sizing (align, weight etc.) it's not so bad Sep 21 11:18:21 Heinervdm: as i said... :) Sep 21 11:18:26 :) Sep 21 11:18:30 raster: in e.g. contacts (the old one) the hot area is about 5*10pixel (guess) Sep 21 11:18:30 Heinervdm: look at opimd-notes, shr-installer, opimd-contacts Sep 21 11:18:32 Heinervdm: so... XSERVER = "xserver-xorg xf86-video-glamo xf86-input-evdev" is what we want, right? Sep 21 11:18:32 finger size adjust Sep 21 11:18:38 need to add a 1 liner Sep 21 11:18:45 busy with other stuff atm thop Sep 21 11:19:04 raster: put it on the list :P Sep 21 11:19:06 mrmoku: i added glamo and evdev as DEPENDS to the config Sep 21 11:19:33 raster: in dos1's opimd-contacts that's completely different Sep 21 11:19:51 DocScrutinizer-8: that's problem with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Sep 21 11:19:58 there the whole textfield is hot area Sep 21 11:20:01 DocScrutinizer-8: elementary does it right Sep 21 11:20:20 elm doesnt mke the entries big enough as a min size Sep 21 11:20:20 mrmoku: i'm not shure what's the right way to do this Sep 21 11:20:22 as i said Sep 21 11:20:24 a 1 liner fix Sep 21 11:20:27 dos1: tell that to raster and Heinervdm Sep 21 11:20:40 Heinervdm: looking at some machine configs I think XSERVER is the way to do it... not sure though Sep 21 11:21:04 raster: DocScrutinizer-8 mentioned different issue Sep 21 11:21:09 mrmoku: ok, then remove the line from xorg-conf reciepe and put it there :) Sep 21 11:21:10 raster: but that's not elementary problem Sep 21 11:21:27 Heinervdm: and we have to put that XSERVER thing into shr-autorev-unstable.inc for now :( Sep 21 11:21:48 otherwise we can't build testing with broken kdrive thingie ;) Sep 21 11:21:50 there done Sep 21 11:21:57 mrmoku: my idea was: if you want to use this config, it depends on these packages Sep 21 11:22:20 mrmoku: you can put it in shr-*-xorg.conf Sep 21 11:22:56 shr-om-gta02-xorg.conf Sep 21 11:23:04 there is it already Sep 21 11:23:06 Heinervdm: right now we include that one in shr.conf Sep 21 11:23:12 which we shouldn't Sep 21 11:23:41 because it is doubly wrong :) Sep 21 11:23:44 then we should move this inlcude Sep 21 11:24:14 for gta01 we need xf86-video-fbdev? Sep 21 11:24:30 no idea :) Sep 21 11:24:43 Any news about -testing anyone? Sep 21 11:24:49 DocScrutinizer-8: gta01 is glamo free, right? Sep 21 11:25:00 lol, yes Sep 21 11:25:20 At least I got the multi-recipient SMS myself too :) Sep 21 11:25:26 rhkfin: not really... it is working for me... did not hear much from others Sep 21 11:25:30 rhkfin: good :) Sep 21 11:25:38 mrmoku: S3C2410 interfaces to LCD directly Sep 21 11:26:02 DocScrutinizer-8: so it would be xf86-video-fbdev for gta01... Sep 21 11:26:10 mrmoku: Great! Where's the image, who are working on it, has it been announced on the mailing lists? Sep 21 11:26:13 I guess Sep 21 11:26:24 mrmoku: we should have a shr-unstable.inc and a shr-testing.inc, then the naming would be better :) Sep 21 11:26:27 rhkfin: it is still a testing candidate... so no announcement Sep 21 11:26:50 mrmoku: ok Sep 21 11:27:16 Waiting to see the announcement :) (and explanation how it works -> how the packages flow from unstable to testing etc..) Sep 21 11:27:18 Heinervdm: renaming them requires to change the local config :( Sep 21 11:27:44 though I agree that it is not strictly about autorevs... Sep 21 11:27:52 and thus shr-unstable.inc would better fit Sep 21 11:28:28 mrmoku: i tought about shr-unstable.inc that includes shr-autorev-unstable.inc Sep 21 11:28:44 need to go, keep up the good work!! Sep 21 11:28:56 then we can set in that file the correct things Sep 21 11:29:27 But i think we can do that, every one who's building it's own images should read the ML Sep 21 11:29:34 then we just need to announce it Sep 21 11:29:39 * JaMa agree Sep 21 11:30:23 * mrmoku lunch Sep 21 11:32:24 Heinervdm: "openmoko-alsa-scenarios" in RDEPENDS of ffalarms Sep 21 11:32:26 Heinervdm: why? Sep 21 11:32:45 huh?? Sep 21 11:33:30 dos1: i made the reciepe just buildable, this RDEPENDS is from the author Sep 21 11:34:05 ffalarms accesses the mixer settings for volume adjust, I assume Sep 21 11:34:16 Heinervdm: it's baaaad Sep 21 11:34:24 Heinervdm: we don't use openmoko-alsa-scenarios Sep 21 11:35:00 don't know why it depends on scenarios for that though. Maybe it does it *right* and restores stereoout.state Sep 21 11:35:00 then we should patch ffalarms to use it, the bad thing is, that the scenario dir is hardcoded Sep 21 11:35:05 Heinervdm: we're using alsa-scenarii-shr, and only for openmoko devices Sep 21 11:35:58 heh, I always told you you'll see headache out of that Sep 21 11:36:55 DocScrutinizer-8: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/ffalarms.vala?rev=54&root=ffalarms&view=markup public const string ALSASTATE Sep 21 11:37:04 ups, dos1 Sep 21 11:39:06 NOTE: Running task 7953 of 13374 (ID: 8479, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/webkit/webkit-efl_git.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 11:39:20 :) Sep 21 11:39:30 our build from scratch on buildhost Sep 21 11:39:53 dos1: you're building task-shr-feed? Sep 21 11:39:59 Heinervdm: yup, everything Sep 21 11:40:17 Heinervdm: hmm... could you look at that new atd-over-fso? do we have recipe for it? Sep 21 11:41:09 dos1: removed the patch from patchwork :) Sep 21 11:42:14 dos1: aiui ffalarms needs fsoatd Sep 21 11:43:39 DocScrutinizer-8: fsoatd? it was atd-over-fso Sep 21 11:43:58 it comes from ffalarms author Sep 21 11:44:04 and we have it, but recently he did new version Sep 21 11:44:11 hmm, dunno if there's two different things Sep 21 11:44:37 dos1: we have 0.70 with some patches Sep 21 11:44:42 a startup patch Sep 21 11:44:55 OTE: Running task 973 of 3337 just console-base-image here :) waiting for rm_work and then xorg-image :) Sep 21 11:45:30 Heinervdm: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260&release_id=574 Sep 21 11:46:06 dos1: we're building from cvs Sep 21 11:52:08 ok ;) Sep 21 11:54:32 dos1: he is patching the cvs version Sep 21 11:54:42 the cvs version is 5 years old Sep 21 11:54:49 and it's normal atd Sep 21 12:01:22 dos1: where is the shr-scenarii dir? Sep 21 12:01:39 Heinervdm: /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ Sep 21 12:03:08 ok, we need to replace that constant Sep 21 12:03:15 and change depencies Sep 21 12:03:45 Heinervdm: that's no constant :-/ Sep 21 12:04:09 public const string, so it's a constant Sep 21 12:04:22 that it's wrong is not my fault :P Sep 21 12:12:38 anyone can build vala-0.7.6 atm? Sep 21 12:14:04 playya: yup Sep 21 12:14:30 atm gstring.h and gstrfuncs.h is missing from glib Sep 21 12:14:35 well, the whole scenario thing is fubar, and why shr needs an own directory for that is completely beyond my understanding Sep 21 12:15:04 playya: it builds just nicely at shr/import Sep 21 12:15:49 I'm using shr-import Sep 21 12:16:00 hmm Sep 21 12:16:19 playya: on buildhost it just built Sep 21 12:16:28 playya: and in build from scratch too Sep 21 12:16:41 let me check it one more timt Sep 21 12:16:46 -t +e Sep 21 12:17:05 i did a rebuild glib-2.0 Sep 21 12:17:17 Heinervdm: until that nonsesne change in SHR scenarii dir, the whole "API" we had for audio was the dir path to scenarios. Now we're completely lost wrt that, and there is no more way to fix anything the "right" way Sep 21 12:17:55 ok. seems to be in staging Sep 21 12:17:58 DocScrutinizer-8: that statefile thingie is crap Sep 21 12:18:06 yoh Sep 21 12:18:11 megacrap Sep 21 12:19:32 is there a 'vcard2opimd' program or will I have to roll my own? Sep 21 12:19:43 blindcoder: PISI? Sep 21 12:19:44 anyone is working on a replacement? Sep 21 12:20:24 playya: for what? scenarii? Sep 21 12:20:39 yes. scenarii thingy Sep 21 12:20:49 yes, me Sep 21 12:21:21 with the minimal diffs or completely different Sep 21 12:21:46 completely different concept Sep 21 12:21:55 Heinervdm: well, I only need it for importing vcf file once, so I guess python + gui is okay Sep 21 12:22:06 dos1, i think that's my fault. i accidenially deleted them Sep 21 12:22:28 ;) Sep 21 12:30:34 JaMa: why do you require shr-om-gta02.conf Sep 21 12:30:38 playya: now app have to know about /usr/share/*/scenari?/* and alsactl. Future mandatory audio prerequisites are just a rather standard conforming ability of app to open a named alsa audio dev. Most apps do that by default, some are poorly coded and open "default" audio dev hardcoded. Those have to be fixed. All other ALSA compliant audio-apps will work out of the box with new concept Sep 21 12:30:39 in the xorg.conf? Sep 21 12:32:45 playya: alas the "old" apps that rely on /usr/share/*/scenari?/* scheme will not work with new concept Sep 21 12:32:50 heho, why is the wsod back in the lates kernels? the last kernel without wsod for me was .27 every newer release gave me a wsod or am I doing something wrong? Sep 21 12:36:20 sebastianha: how could we tell? .27 is some days ago already. And nobody knows what else you did besides kernel update. If anybody was aware of widespread WSOD issues with new kernels, it probably would have been fixed already. Sep 21 12:36:39 mmh Sep 21 12:36:44 so I am the only one Sep 21 12:36:47 damn it :) Sep 21 12:37:19 mrmoku: from -xorg.conf? Sep 21 12:37:25 nah, there were issues with WSOD. Not so simple to say it's still true with current kernels Sep 21 12:37:38 mmh Sep 21 12:37:39 ok Sep 21 12:37:50 JaMa: yep Sep 21 12:38:01 sebastianha: WSOD is dependent of kernel, bootloader, and particular device Sep 21 12:38:09 ah, ok Sep 21 12:38:35 sebastianha: i can tell Sep 21 12:38:36 JaMa: I'm trying to correctly fix the XSERVER issue Sep 21 12:38:43 sebastianha: and i have WSOD on gta01 with the latest kernel. Sep 21 12:38:43 mrmoku: because it was there.. so I've taken it as default and included it first and then replaced later if needed Sep 21 12:38:48 sebastianha: yes, listen to paul Sep 21 12:38:57 DocScrutinizer: \o/ Sep 21 12:39:12 hey PaulFertser :-D Sep 21 12:39:25 mmh, not so funny at all. because with wsod the device is very unusable Sep 21 12:39:33 JaMa: problem is... right now XSERVER is machine *and* unstable/testing dependant Sep 21 12:39:38 sebastianha: there're many reasons that can lead to WSOD, including temperature conditions even. But the root of the problem is sloppy coding in the first place. Sep 21 12:39:55 sebastianha: .31 will be WSOD-free (i hope) great thanks to larsc's efforts. Sep 21 12:40:21 is there a date when it will bee released with shr? Sep 21 12:40:28 PaulFertser: (about .31) when? Sep 21 12:40:30 ;) Sep 21 12:40:31 DocScrutinizer, I'm using gstreamer Sep 21 12:40:38 JaMa: once testing switches to xorg too... we can stuff it into the machine config Sep 21 12:40:51 mrmoku: I hoped that -xorg will be for testing and kms for unstable Sep 21 12:41:06 JaMa: hehe :P Sep 21 12:41:08 playya: that's no dff. gstreamer also opens a audio dev in the end Sep 21 12:41:16 yes Sep 21 12:41:16 JaMa: if it plays nice... probably Sep 21 12:41:35 KMS lacks Xrandr at the moment, which might be a problem Sep 21 12:41:40 playya: as aplay does Sep 21 12:42:00 playya: anyway gst and aplay know how to name devices Sep 21 12:42:21 Weiss: and the non KMS one is mainstream ready? Sep 21 12:42:56 AFAIK, yes (non-KMS->larsc, KMS->me) Sep 21 12:43:03 dos1: did you restart the build or is it just *that* slow Sep 21 12:43:13 Weiss: ok Sep 21 12:43:52 mrmoku: it's just slow Sep 21 12:44:17 8385 of 13374 and started about 24h ago Sep 21 12:44:19 playya: so if *you* know how to pass correct cmdline options to gst, you're fine Sep 21 12:44:37 gst-launch is easy Sep 21 12:44:45 somebody got some 64 core spare machine to offer for SHR builds? :P Sep 21 12:44:59 mmh Sep 21 12:45:00 gst-inspect really useful Sep 21 12:45:21 playya: it's also slow as hell, but usually that doesn't matter too much Sep 21 12:45:45 make Sep 21 12:45:53 bbl Sep 21 12:46:14 hrmpf Sep 21 12:46:47 blindcoder: make: no target specified Sep 21 12:48:07 DocScrutinizer-8: wouldn't it just make the first target in Makefile? Sep 21 12:48:40 DocScrutinizer-8: anyway 'make fltkmail' :P Sep 21 12:48:55 blindcoder: the first target on my makefile is "brunch", if any Sep 21 12:49:01 ;) Sep 21 12:49:09 cya Sep 21 13:06:35 dos1: will we have an unstable-testimage when the build is finished? Sep 21 13:06:48 Heinervdm: no image yet Sep 21 13:06:50 Heinervdm: almost Sep 21 13:06:53 just populated stuff Sep 21 13:06:59 image generation will be fast then :) Sep 21 13:07:05 Heinervdm: i'll start building image after actual build finished Sep 21 13:07:09 s/finished/finishes/ Sep 21 13:07:10 dos1 meant: Heinervdm: i'll start building image after actual build finishes Sep 21 13:07:10 ok :) Sep 21 13:07:21 or mrmoku, it depends who'll be faster ;) Sep 21 13:07:45 dos1: you will be... as I'm busy with daywork :P Sep 21 13:07:52 i had problemes with classpath-native, you too? Sep 21 13:07:56 mrmoku: ok ;) Sep 21 13:08:05 Heinervdm: NOTE: Running task 8423 of 13374 (ID: 6717, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/efl1/ewl_svn.bb, do_populate_staging) Sep 21 13:08:08 Heinervdm: no problems yet Sep 21 13:08:41 strange Sep 21 13:10:05 hmm Sep 21 13:10:13 Heinervdm: sorry, i don't know if there was problems Sep 21 13:10:18 make Sep 21 13:10:21 it's building with -k Sep 21 13:10:22 NARF Sep 21 13:10:30 dos1: me too now Sep 21 13:10:48 blindcoder: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. Sep 21 13:11:17 my do_rootfs still fail because of missing audio.conf from bluez :/ Sep 21 13:11:27 hopefully resolved during rebuild :) Sep 21 13:12:15 now I need to use something like SRC_URI_append_!om-gta02 any idea how to do this? Sep 21 13:12:56 JaMa: SRC_URI_om-gta02 ?? Sep 21 13:13:06 is that working? Sep 21 13:13:16 Heinervdm: it is.. Sep 21 13:13:17 overwrite instead of append? Sep 21 13:13:28 without append i meant Sep 21 13:13:51 Heinervdm: but i need something for all machines except om-gta02 and then something different for om-gta02 Sep 21 13:14:00 Heinervdm: I guess so.. Sep 21 13:14:33 Heinervdm: it should be the same as SRC_URI_om-gta02 += "sth" Sep 21 13:15:02 SRC_URI = "sth1 sth2 sth3" Sep 21 13:15:13 SRC_URI_om-gta02 = "sth1 sth3" Sep 21 13:15:31 if it's working it should overwrite SRC_URI Sep 21 13:15:32 fsoraw doesn't have SRCPV nor SRCREV in it's PV Sep 21 13:15:43 is CONFFILES enabled for angstrom or org.oe.dev itself? Sep 21 13:15:45 only 0.0.1, and it's build from svn AUTOREV Sep 21 13:16:12 Heinervdm: ok you're right.. Sep 21 13:17:41 dos1: then you schould fix that Sep 21 13:18:08 Heinervdm: why i? :D Sep 21 13:18:11 ok, i'll do it ;) Sep 21 13:18:25 dos1: because it's nicer ;) Sep 21 13:21:34 mrmoku: patch sent Sep 21 13:22:12 does anyone know how to run a program like midori as something other than root? Sep 21 13:22:14 dos1: urgent or is in an hour enough? Sep 21 13:22:43 mrmoku: well, until build finishes ;) Sep 21 13:22:56 dos1: well... then I have time :P Sep 21 13:24:49 thegreen4me: make a new user and then "su user -c midori" Sep 21 13:25:08 allrigh, thanks Sep 21 13:34:14 exit Sep 21 13:46:58 anongit.freedesktop.org[0: 131.252.210.176]: errno=Connection timed out Sep 21 13:47:00 :( Sep 21 13:50:47 ah ok now.. continuing to build Sep 21 14:26:10 Heinervdm: hmm... without tslib no touchscreen... Sep 21 14:27:52 Heinervdm: adduser luser; su luser -c xdm Sep 21 14:28:27 err x-nodm or whatever Sep 21 14:29:11 mrmoku: pastebin your xorg log... Sep 21 14:29:45 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders if he's curious enough to check what will bork when doing this basically sane thing on SHR / OM Sep 21 14:30:11 DocScrutinizer-8: hmm Sep 21 14:30:27 it about high time finally :-/ Sep 21 14:30:47 DocScrutinizer-8: dunno if dbus conffiles for FSO allow other users to use it Sep 21 14:31:12 dos1: hehe, that would be a first mega-bummer Sep 21 14:31:43 all the dbus foo is for nothing but exactly allow a separation of userland and rootprocesses Sep 21 14:32:22 DocScrutinizer-8: fbset not found Sep 21 14:32:28 DocScrutinizer-8: /etc/X11/Xserver: line 162: can't create /tmp/x.log: Permission denied Sep 21 14:32:40 hehehehehe Sep 21 14:32:51 go FIX IT!!! Sep 21 14:32:57 hmm Sep 21 14:33:05 well, even on desktop X is root Sep 21 14:33:23 so that's Xsession which we should run as user Sep 21 14:33:25 ;x Sep 21 14:33:45 dos1: hmm, you're right Sep 21 14:33:52 JaMa: http://shr.pastebin.com/d2e86ca66 Sep 21 14:34:45 dos1: my fault, didn't think thoroughly. Nevertheless it won't change much... Sep 21 14:35:14 hi all Sep 21 14:35:34 I still expect a lot of flaws and insane permissions assumed or assigned Sep 21 14:36:17 and, tbh, I'd prefer xdm rather than our noxdm login anyway Sep 21 14:37:10 DocScrutinizer-8: but enlightenment and shr-today is running ;) Sep 21 14:38:18 duh! great Sep 21 14:38:38 ** (process:8258): DEBUG: Error requesting name! Connection ":1.27" is not allowed to own the service "org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage" due to security policies in the configuration file Sep 21 14:38:42 that's from ophonekitd Sep 21 14:38:59 that's dbus I guess Sep 21 14:40:15 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd: line 2: can't create /var/log/ophonekitd.log: Permission denied Sep 21 14:40:22 don't know any other services than dbus on OM that have a config file Sep 21 14:40:30 renice: setpriority: Permission denied Sep 21 14:40:41 yoyoyo Sep 21 14:40:52 that's what I expect a trillion Sep 21 14:41:08 and it seems that's all from Xsession Sep 21 14:42:16 sh: calc: Permission denied Sep 21 14:42:26 hmm Sep 21 14:42:37 ffalarms doesn't start too Sep 21 14:42:51 of course not Sep 21 14:43:06 mrmoku: this one is bad dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so: undefined symbol: noPanoramiXExtension Sep 21 14:43:17 mrmoku: RC1 needs http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=4d6b20c25af5f590f19530b6c007e3648a8037c3 Sep 21 14:43:17 probably direct access to root-only sysfs nodes or sth like that Sep 21 14:43:48 JaMa: hmm... I thought xserver is on AUTOREV? Sep 21 14:43:58 mrmoku: for -kms.conf Sep 21 14:44:11 JaMa: ahh, ok Sep 21 14:44:14 mrmoku: for -xorg.conf it uses latest but released versions Sep 21 14:44:16 anyway all the framework foo needs root by definition Sep 21 14:44:26 mrmoku: please pastebin also your xorg.conf Sep 21 14:44:29 and I think it has. no? Sep 21 14:44:35 DocScrutinizer-8: no, i think those are just bad permissions to files Sep 21 14:44:47 mrmoku: I'll sent few patches in meantime Sep 21 14:44:50 If I would only remember the socat call to pastebin files directly... Sep 21 14:44:50 niebiee theme doesn't work too ;D Sep 21 14:45:17 mrmoku: try wgetpaste :) Sep 21 14:45:30 JaMa: what's that? Sep 21 14:45:50 dos1: be a hero, fix that annoying root-only issue NOW. Before issues become even more Sep 21 14:46:33 dos1: now you see why it's bad to start development with root only. You postpone all those issues Sep 21 14:46:53 yup Sep 21 14:47:18 NOTE: Running task 9229 of 13374 (ID: 1146, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 14:47:24 mrmoku: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/ Sep 21 14:47:46 mrmoku: but i guess we need recipe for that on neo Sep 21 14:50:15 JaMa: (manually again) http://pastebin.com/d6be47269 Sep 21 14:50:53 JaMa: one strange thing with xorg.conf was that the default installed one does not parse correctly Sep 21 14:51:10 mrmoku: i commited a new xorg.conf Sep 21 14:51:19 dos1: a nice side-eddect. E.g. tango can't kill whole system by congesting the storage with saved map tiles. If tango is luser, then there always remain the 5% for system-only on / Sep 21 14:51:20 if you view it with busybox vi it is truncated after the InputDevice "Touchscreen" line Sep 21 14:51:32 if you view it with less (or a real vim) it is ok Sep 21 14:51:55 this one is bad.. use the one provided by Heinervdm Sep 21 14:51:58 mrmoku: how can you have that one Sep 21 14:52:17 Heinervdm: hmm Sep 21 14:52:30 mrmoku: just sent fix for no dri Sep 21 14:53:24 mrmoku: not-tested as I'm NOTE: Running task 2853 of 9648 Sep 21 14:53:52 dos1: and the broke-by-design concept of alsastates would have been obvious from very beginning ;-) with decent user-perms Sep 21 14:53:56 i'm having 2500 tasks left Sep 21 14:54:29 JaMa, Heinervdm: as everybody is building... will apply stuff a bit later... still dayworking Sep 21 14:54:53 dos1: /usr/share is r-o for non-root ;-P Sep 21 14:55:55 mrmoku: ok.. I'll send some more after work and after testing in -kms.conf :) Sep 21 14:55:57 pick 13fac7f Xorg stuff bump script: use POSIX locale for date and sort, rename xorg-server -> xserver-xorg, ignore _cvs, _X11R7.0 bbfiles Sep 21 14:56:01 pick ba5ae82 Latest xorg stuff 2009-09-21 Sep 21 14:56:03 pick eeaf39f Cleanup mplayer glamo recipe Sep 21 14:56:10 which is great for static scenarii, but not for adjusting volumes persistently Sep 21 14:57:54 DocScrutinizer-8: xinit /bin/su dos -c /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -ac -dpi 285 -screen 480x640x16 -mouse tslib -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm vt1 Sep 21 14:59:38 DocScrutinizer-8: good thing is - when running ophonekitd manually, GSM works just nicely :) Sep 21 14:59:41 dos1: running everything root devels tend to think "so what? I'm so professional, I won't do any evil even when root". The truth is they are so uninspired or lazy they simply can't figure how to do it at all when non-root Sep 21 14:59:56 shr-settings also works Sep 21 14:59:58 dos1: whats broken with niebiee? Sep 21 15:00:22 dos1: I'm using just splash from niebiee... Sep 21 15:00:47 JaMa: i'm testing running userland from user account, not root Sep 21 15:01:00 dos1: ah great Sep 21 15:01:10 and niebiee.edc probably has wrong attributes, so non-root can't read it Sep 21 15:01:16 hehe, I kicked him ;-P Sep 21 15:01:43 * JaMa leaving work.. Sep 21 15:02:11 mrmoku: ophonekitd needs fixing to use with fsodeviced Sep 21 15:02:25 mrmoku: Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist, 69 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 19 Sep 21 15:02:29 ooh, yes! Sep 21 15:02:32 mrmoku: due to that autosuspend doesn't work Sep 21 15:02:55 i was wondering, why autosuspend doesn't work with fsodeviced... Sep 21 15:03:01 now i know ;) Sep 21 15:03:11 thanks to testing non-root x ;D Sep 21 15:03:16 now mickey is at vacations Sep 21 15:03:40 but that's not fsodeviced problem, as it reports everything as it should Sep 21 15:03:59 aah ophinekitd then Sep 21 15:04:15 DocScrutinizer-8: shr-settings seems also to work (except some modules like elementary and splash) Sep 21 15:05:00 "USB charging rate" doesn't work Sep 21 15:05:00 yes, it's probably always just a few details that fail. I wonder if illumes batget reports Sep 21 15:05:07 u bet Sep 21 15:05:17 illume batget works Sep 21 15:05:22 wow Sep 21 15:05:29 also battery in shr-settings (except charging rate) Sep 21 15:05:52 dos1: charging rate is borked anyway Sep 21 15:05:57 yup Sep 21 15:06:05 vala-terminal works Sep 21 15:06:16 shr phone suite works Sep 21 15:06:24 switching to 100 on wallcharger (alien) stops charging all together Sep 21 15:06:24 opimd-dates works Sep 21 15:06:46 elmdentica works Sep 21 15:07:01 file manager works Sep 21 15:07:22 muhaha Sep 21 15:07:34 tangogps also ;) Sep 21 15:07:35 fm never worked Sep 21 15:07:46 hmm Sep 21 15:07:47 shr-installer Sep 21 15:07:56 will it work? ;x Sep 21 15:07:59 should fail! Sep 21 15:08:20 dos1: if it works then you've done something wrong ;) Sep 21 15:08:21 it's a plain bug if it works ;-) Sep 21 15:08:25 DocScrutinizer-8: we're using dummy security model with packagekit Sep 21 15:08:40 so it will probably work Sep 21 15:09:25 it works ;) Sep 21 15:09:38 then it's even worse than I expected ;-P Back to spec phase then Sep 21 15:09:57 security hole in concept Sep 21 15:10:00 but packagekit supports policykit Sep 21 15:10:09 so it will be easy to fix Sep 21 15:11:01 * DocScrutinizer-8 never seen shr-installer yet :x Sep 21 15:11:43 DocScrutinizer-8: it's in repo Sep 21 15:12:00 proof-of-concept yet, but something works ;) Sep 21 15:12:17 dos1: I hope you're doing notes on all those findings Sep 21 15:13:03 DocScrutinizer-8: yet only ffalarms, niebiee theme and calculator not working (and ophonekitd autostarting) Sep 21 15:13:06 if you did, you're 50% done with a first patch that will bring a giant leap direction end-user system Sep 21 15:13:37 and shr-installer without security model :P Sep 21 15:13:41 dos1: hmmm API changed then? Sep 21 15:14:05 links works Sep 21 15:14:32 dos1: try mokomaze ;-) Sep 21 15:14:55 anybody in for a bet? Sep 21 15:14:56 dos1: docs.freesmarthone.org states that method should exist though Sep 21 15:15:05 DocScrutinizer-8: doesn't work :( Sep 21 15:15:18 haHhH, I win Sep 21 15:15:20 Accelerometer: Neo Freerunner accelerometer file detected, but can't be opened. Check access permissions Sep 21 15:15:21 ;-P Sep 21 15:15:21 Accelerometer: switching to keyboard input Sep 21 15:15:23 ;) Sep 21 15:15:33 so it works Sep 21 15:15:42 i just need to connect keyboard Sep 21 15:15:43 ;) Sep 21 15:15:49 lol Sep 21 15:15:56 lol Sep 21 15:15:59 i'd call it a tie Sep 21 15:16:04 that's not been part of the bet Sep 21 15:16:11 ;D Sep 21 15:16:51 DocScrutinizer-8: audio doesn't work Sep 21 15:17:02 openmoocow doesn't moo ;x Sep 21 15:17:04 hmm, no surpeise Sep 21 15:17:17 ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' Sep 21 15:17:19 ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device Sep 21 15:17:20 ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings Sep 21 15:17:21 dos1, left low beam in our car doesn't work =) Sep 21 15:17:22 ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device Sep 21 15:17:23 ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name Sep 21 15:17:25 ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device Sep 21 15:17:26 ALSA lib conf.c:3982:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device Sep 21 15:17:27 ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM dmix Sep 21 15:17:29 aplay: main:546: audio open error: No such device Sep 21 15:18:14 dos1: still kinda strange Sep 21 15:18:27 that's actually nasty :-/ Sep 21 15:18:32 wait a minute Sep 21 15:18:43 are you trying the the new minor kernel ? Sep 21 15:19:17 cz_jc: no Sep 21 15:19:26 cz_jc: he's trying shr as non-root Sep 21 15:19:29 cz_jc: running userland from non-root account Sep 21 15:19:31 aha.. Sep 21 15:19:38 I run my gentoo on fr as nonroot Sep 21 15:19:51 cz_jc: trying a "sane" system with restricted (non-root) user Sep 21 15:19:54 only phone apps and ophonekitd needed to be ran under root so far Sep 21 15:20:01 Heinervdm: with your xorg.conf I can somehow move the cursor around now... needs calibrating though :P Sep 21 15:20:15 cz_jc: why? Sep 21 15:20:18 mrmoku: mine was calibrated, i think Sep 21 15:20:26 dos1, it yells edje errors Sep 21 15:20:26 cz_jc: they should be able to run as user Sep 21 15:20:35 cz_jc: probably just file permissions Sep 21 15:20:37 also, they get access denied to fso Sep 21 15:20:44 cz_jc: config? Sep 21 15:20:45 mrmoku: or i added Weiss's calibration in my /etc/X11/Xserver Sep 21 15:20:53 cz_jc: here ophonekitd and phone apps work as user Sep 21 15:20:54 dos1, yes.. which I know not how to fix :) Sep 21 15:21:10 so I play it the 'working way' for now Sep 21 15:21:19 but e works fine under user for me Sep 21 15:21:21 mrmoku: yes, i've calibrated my ts in Xserver file Sep 21 15:21:33 Heinervdm: details? Sep 21 15:21:34 mrmoku: but that's not a nice way Sep 21 15:21:35 opimd-notes works Sep 21 15:21:37 navit works Sep 21 15:21:43 dos1: ^(working way for now) you see :-D Sep 21 15:22:00 numpty-physics works ;) Sep 21 15:22:02 Heinervdm: I don't care for now... want to see where else it fails :P Sep 21 15:22:08 you know, once my phone works I'll maybe start fixing them XD Sep 21 15:22:11 mrmoku: you need these lines: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/openmoko/xserver-init-lines Sep 21 15:22:11 but its a loooong way Sep 21 15:22:26 Heinervdm: ouch :) Sep 21 15:22:36 pyphonelog works Sep 21 15:22:57 anyway I'm off to sleep, have fun ^^ Sep 21 15:23:04 dos1: try a call in/out! Sep 21 15:23:04 gpe-sketchbook works Sep 21 15:23:13 mrmoku: i looked around how to calibrate evdev, and there is written, that it get's the calibration from kernel and that's the only way Sep 21 15:23:30 Heinervdm: works :) Sep 21 15:23:34 if calibration is incorrect, then it's kernels fault (stands there) Sep 21 15:24:04 gpe-scap works ,just uploaded shr from non-root ;) Sep 21 15:24:12 iirc ts-calib is domain of tslib Sep 21 15:24:25 DocScrutinizer-8: which we don't use Sep 21 15:24:29 DocScrutinizer-8: well, in calls everything is done by frameworkd Sep 21 15:24:33 ooh Sep 21 15:24:38 so we have 2 ways: run these lines on startup or change kernel Sep 21 15:25:14 DocScrutinizer-8: but checked - works Sep 21 15:25:25 so it's not as bad as expected Sep 21 15:25:32 dos1: THATs great news indeed Sep 21 15:26:16 dos1: so what could SHR stop from moving to sane user-concept right now? Sep 21 15:26:34 DocScrutinizer-8: i know the answer Sep 21 15:26:36 DocScrutinizer-8: laziness! :D Sep 21 15:27:38 hm, opkg upgrade can't satisfy dependency for libfso-glib0 Sep 21 15:27:48 ouch... xserver segfaulted :( Sep 21 15:27:49 johnsu01: that's known, ignore it Sep 21 15:27:49 for fsousaged I mean Sep 21 15:27:56 dos1: figure the everlasting fame associated with luser, if you come up with a patch! :-D Sep 21 15:28:11 dos1: okay, thanks Sep 21 15:28:14 Backtrace: Sep 21 15:28:14 0: A_+0xbedefdf4) [0xbef9444c] Sep 21 15:28:14 Segmentation fault at address 0x1c Sep 21 15:29:18 mrmoku: while running? or on startup Sep 21 15:29:32 Heinervdm: while running (and typing fast on the illume keyboad) Sep 21 15:29:37 +r Sep 21 15:29:39 DocScrutinizer-8: well, i don't know how to make it as default... but i can work on having everything working when using user account Sep 21 15:29:43 dos1: probably you could even patch a "courtesy of dos1" into xdm login screen Sep 21 15:30:06 DocScrutinizer-8: but... any idea about accels? Sep 21 15:30:25 dos1: udev config? Sep 21 15:30:39 ok Sep 21 15:30:46 so: Sep 21 15:31:06 hmm, that's been one of the reasons why I bitched about sysfs revently. For now I learnt we probably can chmod the sysfs node Sep 21 15:31:10 Heinervdm: opening terminal and tapping wildly on the keyboard makes it segfault :( Sep 21 15:31:42 mrmoku: yes Sep 21 15:31:45 ffalarms, niebiee, calc, sound, accels, few shr-settings issues, and shr-installer Sep 21 15:31:52 and that seems to be everything ;) Sep 21 15:31:57 mrmoku: but not without term Sep 21 15:32:00 dos1: long run framework will provide a way to read accels aiui Sep 21 15:32:21 DocScrutinizer-8: i don't think so Sep 21 15:32:31 DocScrutinizer-8: it does, but only for orientation, and in future some gestures Sep 21 15:32:44 so openmoocow will be able to use fso interface Sep 21 15:32:46 but mokomaze not Sep 21 15:32:53 but for things like mokomaze I wasn't even averse to use suid, if no better way in reach Sep 21 15:33:29 dos1: yep, you're right on that gesture thing Sep 21 15:33:35 DocScrutinizer-8: don't the accels have a device node? Sep 21 15:33:44 overhead for mokomaze prohibitively high Sep 21 15:34:14 NOTE: Running task 9689 of 13374 (ID: 9505, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/packagekit/packagekit_0.5.2.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 15:34:21 mrmoku: one of the things I actually had to check back. dunno off top of my head Sep 21 15:34:33 * mrmoku looks Sep 21 15:34:41 /dev/input/event2 and event3 are accels Sep 21 15:34:48 yep Sep 21 15:35:23 dos1: but mokomaze does not use them? Sep 21 15:35:28 dunno Sep 21 15:35:32 ls -l /dev/input/in* ? Sep 21 15:35:53 dos1: try to chmod them and retry mokomaze? Sep 21 15:36:05 mrmoku: there is defently sth wrong with xorg and illume keyboard Sep 21 15:37:06 DocScrutinizer-8, mrmoku: it works now Sep 21 15:37:09 add mokomaze to group accel, chown /dev/input/input(23) Sep 21 15:37:29 without vibration, but that's as expected Sep 21 15:37:37 hehe Sep 21 15:37:48 add mokomaze to group vibro Sep 21 15:39:52 and openmoocow also tries to moo when rotating now Sep 21 15:39:59 but it fails due to sound not working :P Sep 21 15:40:13 aah, and while you're at it, probably as well create a group leds that does NOT contain vibro Sep 21 15:40:34 well Sep 21 15:40:47 controling leds and vibration is possible by fso interface Sep 21 15:40:48 that audio issue gives me headache Sep 21 15:41:21 dos1: not for vibro. not fast enough Sep 21 15:41:33 dos1: is your use in the audio group? Sep 21 15:41:35 too much overhead->delay Sep 21 15:41:35 +r Sep 21 15:41:43 DocScrutinizer-8: audio group? Sep 21 15:41:50 oh Sep 21 15:42:11 mrmoku, Heinervdm: good catch ;) Sep 21 15:42:15 mrmoku: same idea at same time ;) Sep 21 15:42:20 :) Sep 21 15:42:44 mrmoku: can you try another keyboard? Sep 21 15:42:55 Heinervdm: hehe, with x16 it does not segfault... but freezes instead :P Sep 21 15:42:57 to prove, it's illume's fault a xorg fault Sep 21 15:43:22 mrmoku: no, my first try was a freeze too Sep 21 15:43:54 hmm...my first tries have been segfaults Sep 21 15:44:22 Heinervdm: last thing in xorg.log is Backtrace: :P Sep 21 15:44:51 mrmoku: then kernel panic? :-D Sep 21 15:44:56 Heinervdm: have no other keyboard to try though... Sep 21 15:45:01 DocScrutinizer-8: nop Sep 21 15:45:07 x stop / start and all is fine Sep 21 15:45:31 hehe, so just a minor problem Sep 21 15:46:17 if xorg is segving... it's xorg's fault Sep 21 15:46:23 pretty simple Sep 21 15:46:33 :) Sep 21 15:46:36 (or glibc or any core lib it may use) Sep 21 15:46:51 if tis e segving its e's or any lib it may use fault Sep 21 15:47:11 raster: :-D Sep 21 15:47:29 there is a definitive barrier between the xserver and clients Sep 21 15:47:53 anything an x client may do or not do that makes xorg segv is 100% NOT the clients bug/problem Sep 21 15:48:06 ack Sep 21 15:48:13 apply kernel rules to xorg Sep 21 15:48:18 if kernel panics/oopses Sep 21 15:48:29 do u blame the process u were using at the time? Sep 21 15:48:33 and oom? Sep 21 15:48:42 then blame userland, yes XD Sep 21 15:49:10 lindi-: if its oom - u'd know about it Sep 21 15:49:25 and it wouldnt be xorg being killed unless it was consuming the lions share of ram etc. etc. Sep 21 15:49:48 * mrmoku dinner... bbl Sep 21 15:50:16 Weiss: why Xorg segfaults when typing fast on illume keyboard? Sep 21 15:50:24 debug x Sep 21 15:50:32 a bug likely inside the xserver Sep 21 15:51:03 as i said above Sep 21 15:51:11 does it happen with fbdwv? Sep 21 15:51:13 (i did say that for a reason) Sep 21 15:51:16 fbdev? Sep 21 15:51:45 Heinervdm: I don't know.. it's on my list of annoying things. Sep 21 15:51:46 raster: if only it were true processes get killed on eating too much resources. Midori browser easily brings whole system to a grinding halt on rendering a complex page :-( Sep 21 15:52:02 Weiss: so it's known? Sep 21 15:52:07 DocScrutinizer-8: u need a good process watchdog Sep 21 15:52:14 but it happens both with KMS and non-KMS xf86-video-glamo, and since those are almost totally different paths, it's fair to suspect a problem deeper in X Sep 21 15:52:21 somehting that sets up SCHED_FIFO for itself Sep 21 15:52:27 Heinervdm: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/to-do-list.html Sep 21 15:52:34 mlock()s itself in Sep 21 15:52:36 raster: I thought you need a decent ulimit setting Sep 21 15:52:41 is there a testcase anyone can run? Sep 21 15:52:52 or xtrace? Sep 21 15:52:56 and then regularly examines and pings processes Sep 21 15:53:23 raster: /usr/bin/watchdog is what i use Sep 21 15:53:46 raster: I remeber we discussed that some months ago :-) Sep 21 15:54:13 ulimit doesnt help as it doesnt nicely handle sharing Sep 21 15:54:20 eg sets limits as a whole for a process Sep 21 15:54:27 yep Sep 21 15:54:41 it wont allow for example 2 procs to share 40^ of resoruces each if u have 2 Sep 21 15:54:47 and 1 to have 80 if there is just 1 Sep 21 15:54:48 etc. Sep 21 15:55:10 lindi-: can't try with fbdev, it's not build on my host Sep 21 15:55:11 ulimit is a good old holdover from unix's old multi-user multi-processing days Sep 21 15:55:12 :) Sep 21 15:55:16 lindi-: will try later Sep 21 15:55:28 can't remeber the name of that KDE applet I mentioned back when Sep 21 15:56:24 raster: how would you "ping" processes? Sep 21 15:56:37 last i knew too ulimit unceremoneously kills the process Sep 21 15:56:58 whihc u dont really want - u want the user to be informed and allows to have a choice Sep 21 15:56:59 etc. Sep 21 15:57:09 yep Sep 21 15:57:11 as for ping - there is a netwm system for doing that to windows Sep 21 15:57:26 a nice easy way to check the proc is actually being interactive Sep 21 15:57:26 hmhm Sep 21 15:57:31 as opposed to hung blocking on something Sep 21 15:57:50 apps that dont anser netwm window pings are likely not redrawing and thus look horrible.hung/dead Sep 21 15:58:09 Heinervdm: the bug looks like stack corruption to me, which makes it hard to debug.. Sep 21 15:58:24 and that's a valid death penalty ;-D Sep 21 15:58:55 time to sleep Sep 21 15:59:00 snoooz! Sep 21 15:59:13 raster: btw, could you add a point to your todo list? Sep 21 15:59:30 raster: nooooo, not yet Sep 21 15:59:34 :-) Sep 21 16:00:34 raster: go to sleep on normal hours! ;) Sep 21 16:00:48 raster: even if you';; have to move to europe... it doesn't matter! ;D Sep 21 16:00:51 raster: I noticed a notifier "logout takes too long. Some apps not responding. Logout anyway?". Could you add the *name* of the misbehaving task please? Sep 21 16:06:41 hi Sep 21 16:08:08 another rant from usability lab: the (allegedly obsolete) dialer shows only name when dialing a number known in contacts. That's BAD, as I might have multiple numbers with same contact name. Dialer *for sure* has enough space to show both name *and* number dialed/inbound Sep 21 16:17:54 dos1: cellhunter has wrong SRC_URI Sep 21 16:25:53 NOTE: Running task 9977 of 13374 (ID: 9163, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/perl/perl_5.8.8.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 16:32:46 only 3300 tasks left ;) Sep 21 16:34:31 dos1: gives me time to go offline and reconfigure my freaking fscking internet :P Sep 21 16:34:55 hopefully be back after that ;) Sep 21 16:35:23 hi khiraly1 can you write a short "howto" for paroli on shr ? Sep 21 16:35:29 I would post that on paroli-project.org Sep 21 16:35:33 (and use it) Sep 21 16:35:52 sure, I only write it, if you test it before posting;-) Sep 21 16:36:06 khiraly1: hehe depends how fast you write ;) Sep 21 16:36:17 copy the paroli checkout to /usr/share/paroli2 dir (on the phone) Sep 21 16:36:18 no seriously I would try to squeeze it in today Sep 21 16:36:31 modify the paroli.desktop file accordingly (I had paroli installed from package) Sep 21 16:36:38 khiraly1: can you send me a mail ? Sep 21 16:36:48 kinda ugly to copy it out of irc Sep 21 16:37:21 also write in the paroli.desktop to launch paroli as /usr/share/paroli2/scripts/paroli -e fso (I need to double check it, I sec and I connect my phone) Sep 21 16:37:30 and start the paroli via the icon Sep 21 16:37:44 khiraly1: hmm... isn't package ok? Sep 21 16:37:46 also disable the ophonekitd from automatic starting in /etc/X11 dir Sep 21 16:37:53 we're building it with AUTOREV IIRC Sep 21 16:37:59 dos1: didnt tried it out recently Sep 21 16:38:13 I have a half-done big modification in paroli Sep 21 16:38:17 vegyraupe: thats it Sep 21 16:38:21 dos1: I could give that a go as well, but I am nto very trusty when it comes to packages ;) Sep 21 16:38:29 khiraly1: thx Sep 21 16:38:57 khiraly1: saved Sep 21 16:39:00 vegyraupe: it takes *ages* to take out the inout from paroli trap. Ie running the gui separately Sep 21 16:39:16 I dont find at all the Box part (so the scroller is in a box, which is injected in the edje) Sep 21 16:40:07 Im on days on it. Sep 21 16:40:20 khiraly1: isn't that one of the usual lists where the scroller is generated in the gui.py ? Sep 21 16:40:26 dos1: btw, why stereout.state file does not have PCM to 255 as default (now: 235) Sep 21 16:40:40 ElementaryListWindow Sep 21 16:40:48 khiraly1: why it should have 255 as default? Sep 21 16:41:01 dos1: because it is hardly noticable when ringing Sep 21 16:41:07 I cant hear it when it is in my pocket Sep 21 16:41:18 i hear it only in a quit room Sep 21 16:41:39 255 make it sounding really bad... Sep 21 16:41:45 and i don't have such problems ;x Sep 21 16:43:13 hmm Sep 21 16:46:46 vegyraupe: also paroli is launchable on the desktop Sep 21 16:46:49 which is a huge plus Sep 21 16:46:55 makes development (gui) fast Sep 21 16:47:56 vegyraupe: Btw I would really like to commit my changes, and others (ie. you;) could fix the subapplications which has a list (inout, phonebook, settings) Sep 21 16:48:25 because they have a 100x50 pixel window non resizable Sep 21 16:49:22 dos1: what type are the timestamps in opimd of? Sep 21 16:49:37 agg1n: seconds since epoch, UTC Sep 21 16:51:41 dos1: yeah, but i dont know what get function of gvalue i have to call, get_int seams wrong, gives me a too high timestamp (year 2038 or so) :/ Sep 21 16:52:23 hmm Sep 21 16:52:29 agg1n: it's a float Sep 21 16:52:49 or string, it depends Sep 21 16:53:17 somtimes string and sometimes float? :o Sep 21 16:54:15 that would be scary :S Sep 21 16:54:24 well Sep 21 16:54:46 agg1n: it can be even int or char ;P Sep 21 16:54:54 On SHR how I increase the volume???(Not the speaker.) Sep 21 16:55:25 dos1: btw opimd started in 15.5sec Sep 21 16:55:31 i'll try with float, thanks :) Sep 21 16:55:33 this is the worst of all frameworkd daemon Sep 21 16:55:48 agg1n: opimd is dumb, it saves the value in that format you send it Sep 21 16:57:05 khiraly1: it's even worse when having more entries Sep 21 16:57:38 Anyone here from SHR-U devs? Sep 21 16:57:39 float would be absolute nonsense anyway Sep 21 16:58:05 khiraly1: let me do the flashing first and then we'll see what my time says Sep 21 16:58:09 DocScrutinizer-8: python saves timestamps as float Sep 21 16:58:17 ouuuuuuch Sep 21 16:58:17 working on planet.qi-hardware.com just now Sep 21 16:58:35 To be more exact: anyone up-to-speed with the messenging/telephone apps? Sep 21 16:58:57 ChristW: noone, as libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is going to be obsolete Sep 21 16:59:08 vegyraupe: ok Sep 21 16:59:14 Im trying in the mean time Sep 21 16:59:16 dos1: Ok, what's to replace it? Sep 21 16:59:30 just this whole issue clearly shows why this gui.py is contraproductive Sep 21 16:59:33 ChristW: no written yet ;D Sep 21 16:59:51 it takes so much time to isolate the gui, and reaplicate the same into a self-containing small applciation Sep 21 16:59:56 dos1: So I'll have to live with the bugs, in the mean time? Too bad... Sep 21 17:00:17 ChristW: which bugs? Sep 21 17:00:36 ChristW: you can try out paroli, and implement opimd support in it Sep 21 17:00:36 ;) Sep 21 17:00:40 Heinervdm: so we can have dates now+10^45 years, just the resolutions is maybe hours instead of seconds then? LOOL Sep 21 17:01:00 I tried adding a contact from an SMS message. The 'Add contact' form opens, and I type in a name. Click 'Save contact', but no contact is created. Sep 21 17:01:08 khiraly1: Paroli is nice! Sep 21 17:01:23 ChristW: check if you're not using too long name Sep 21 17:01:31 How long is too long? Sep 21 17:01:39 waaaazh Sep 21 17:01:47 17 chars? Sep 21 17:02:11 I'll try a shorter name... Sep 21 17:02:14 ChristW: check in shr-settings Sep 21 17:02:19 Phone Sep 21 17:02:26 SIM module displays it Sep 21 17:02:51 ChristW: or just switch to a decent phone ;-) Sep 21 17:02:58 Also, I think that 'add contact' in the contact app won't let me enter a number. I can't focus on the field?? Sep 21 17:03:14 DocScrutinizer-*: I thought this _was_ a decent phone :-) Sep 21 17:03:15 SHR is absolutely unusable wrt this problem Sep 21 17:03:36 I'll check, thanks! Sep 21 17:03:42 hi all Sep 21 17:04:48 swtich to a decent phone Sep 21 17:04:50 lolza Sep 21 17:04:51 ;)) Sep 21 17:06:30 khiraly1: no kidding. I can't cope with this any longer. 1p more days and I'm rid of this nuissance Sep 21 17:06:46 10 Sep 21 17:06:49 1p? Sep 21 17:06:57 10 more days? Sep 21 17:07:13 aham, you are waiting either to n900 or palm prej Sep 21 17:07:22 N900 Sep 21 17:08:07 lolza Sep 21 17:08:08 ;) Sep 21 17:08:32 i can't understand how it can be as annoying Sep 21 17:08:41 you can check what limit you have Sep 21 17:09:18 and there is opimd... Sep 21 17:09:32 sorry anyone use debian? Sep 21 17:09:35 more annoying thing is - noone actually does rewrite of phonegui libs Sep 21 17:09:39 does anyone use debian** Sep 21 17:10:52 if i extract a float from gvalue i get really fucked up timestamps :( Sep 21 17:10:56 for me the most annoying thing is the voice quality. Everything else is just a nuissance comparing to this Sep 21 17:11:17 Volume during voice calls is very low.(SHR).Solution? Sep 21 17:11:38 argiris: increase it.. Sep 21 17:11:45 how dos1? Sep 21 17:12:19 argiris: ekhem ;x Sep 21 17:12:27 dos1: if ever you had a nice girls phonenumber to store, and when she's just around next corner you realize fsckng opimd and gui played nasty games on you and the whole contact is /dev/null... believe me, then you probably finally understand why that's annyoing Sep 21 17:13:18 dos1: ekhem ;x? Sep 21 17:13:37 ekhem 5? Sep 21 17:14:04 argiris: it's quite strange that you have such device as freerunner (so you're geek, as it's not non-geek phone), you're reading wiki and maillist (as every neo user is supposed to do), and you are on -cdevel channel (so you're a developer), and you don't know how to increase volume ;> Sep 21 17:14:49 DocScrutinizer-8: i just use vim for that Sep 21 17:15:30 PaulFertser: you also can use paper and pencil for that ;-D Sep 21 17:15:55 DocScrutinizer-8: you have to have really bad luck for that Sep 21 17:16:03 DocScrutinizer-8: nah, i didn't have a pen/pencil even the last year or two when i was a student :) Sep 21 17:16:19 dos1: 1)nothing on manual.Only says about how to increase speaker with alsa.2)Tell me the solution if you are developer you will know it Sep 21 17:16:28 DocScrutinizer-8: or that girl has to be really, really nice, so you forgot about every bug in ui ;) Sep 21 17:17:09 argiris: just modify alsa scenario. it's really easy, and was descibed many times Sep 21 17:17:15 DocScrutinizer-8: Write her name with more less letters. Sep 21 17:17:49 dos1: doesn't have the upper speaker Sep 21 17:18:08 argiris: it has Sep 21 17:18:23 argiris: well, it would be really strange and mysterious if it won't have it ' Sep 21 17:18:24 ;) Sep 21 17:19:10 Control 48: internal mic of the tel (set to 2 or 3) Sep 21 17:19:12 Control 4 : internal speaker (set from 110 to 120) Sep 21 17:19:14 Control 49: headset mic Sep 21 17:19:16 Control 3 : headset speaker Sep 21 17:20:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Sep 21 17:20:23 anybody knows the state of neon maintainership ? send a patch of dubious use a week ago without a reply (screen orientation ... was more as a starting point) and now I made one that modify 1/5 of neon but improve seepd ,add preload and gesture ... Sep 21 17:20:39 I want it in ... so mayeb I should step up as maintainer if need be Sep 21 17:20:49 i can't understand some things Sep 21 17:21:07 ~audio is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Sep 21 17:21:07 DocScrutinizer: okay Sep 21 17:21:25 though what worries me is the lack of replies to anything in this project since more than 7 monthes Sep 21 17:21:43 khiraly1: which image should I use? sept 6th ? Sep 21 17:21:47 how it could be, that 16-years old boy can figure out alone some thing, that some more mature people can't figure out with maillist, wiki and google? Sep 21 17:22:00 vegyraupe: for shr unstable? Sep 21 17:22:26 vegyraupe: I downloaded aug 8, and updated/upgraded around 8-10 of september from the device Sep 21 17:22:44 or for paroli? just try to use the latest from master. It should run Sep 21 17:22:59 6-sep should be ok Sep 21 17:23:00 khiraly1: shr u, yes Sep 21 17:23:04 dos1: thx Sep 21 17:23:32 and lite should be sufficient correct? I only want a phone, no slot-machine Sep 21 17:24:05 vegyraupe: yes, lite is ok ;) Sep 21 17:24:09 http://static.szanalmas.hu/postpix/63851_1.jpg Sep 21 17:24:32 dos1: thx Sep 21 17:27:55 * vegyraupe is full of excitement ... flashing shr lite Sep 21 17:28:38 vegyraupe: be cautious with opkg upgrade anyway ;-) Sep 21 17:28:41 DocScrutinizer-8: btw, opimd-contacts should work and doesn't have such issues ;> Sep 21 17:28:49 opkg upgrade should work Sep 21 17:28:53 ok, I need to change out my others laptop dc connector, its a 2-3 hours manoevre Sep 21 17:28:58 bbl Sep 21 17:28:59 DocScrutinizer-8: he thx, will only run paroli, if shr works :) Sep 21 17:29:00 but take a look if it isn't uninstalling anything Sep 21 17:29:11 khiraly1: k, thx so much for now, will document what I do :) Sep 21 17:29:13 sometimes libfsotransport0 gets uninstalled Sep 21 17:29:15 dunno why ;/ Sep 21 17:33:24 -rw------- 1 root root 236510 2009-08-21 17:26 niebiee.edj Sep 21 17:34:13 install -m 0644 ${S}/niebiee.edj ${D}${datadir}/elementary/themes/ Sep 21 17:34:15 hmm Sep 21 17:34:27 maybe that's my local version, not from package? ;x Sep 21 17:34:39 can someone check? Sep 21 17:50:33 dos1: btw... I think fso-abyss is missing a DEPENDS on libfsobasics Sep 21 17:50:48 don't know if that might be related to the various upgrade problems though Sep 21 17:51:00 mrmoku: does fso-abyss need libfsobasics? Sep 21 17:51:08 dos1: yep Sep 21 17:51:18 i thought it's just independent vala app Sep 21 17:51:39 fsobasics-2.0 >= $FSO_BASICS_REQUIRED Sep 21 17:51:43 from configure.ac Sep 21 17:52:32 dos1: fsobasics is just some basic stuff as logging I think Sep 21 17:52:45 which fso-abyss uses too now Sep 21 17:52:55 * mrmoku adds that depend Sep 21 17:53:02 hmm Sep 21 17:53:11 mrmoku: but upgrade problems are with libfsotransport0 Sep 21 17:53:50 DocScrutinizer, if you are curious about the non-working mic of my neo, methril solved it: he told me the resistance of the buzz-fix was broken internally or something similar ;) Sep 21 17:53:56 dos1: as I said... don't know if its related :P Sep 21 17:57:30 DocScrutinizer: btw I do believe that we have a nice hardware, just we lack the software. Yes freerunner is limited, but not worse than a frist gen ipod, and yet the scrolling on a frist gen ipod is much faster. So we can catch up on software side Sep 21 17:57:41 just what I observe currently is the loosing of momentum Sep 21 17:57:42 ... Sep 21 17:57:43 ;-\ Sep 21 18:06:03 khiraly1: I think the same. It is a nice device... with limits, but still nice Sep 21 18:06:21 and I am still convinced that we will get some good software someday :P Sep 21 18:12:46 khiraly1, I believe neon with the patch I posted on the om dev is indeed fast . it was rotating photos fullscale before downscaling them ... not efficient but indeed it was a pain to do the opposite so I understand Sep 21 18:13:09 and mokomaze is cool :) Sep 21 18:13:35 all I would love would be a music player that does not use 100% cpu for mp3 Sep 21 18:13:49 intone (mplayer) is the one I have tested Sep 21 18:14:24 which means the smallest event ever renders the sound choppy (even touching the intone interface while playing make it scratch Sep 21 18:15:40 JaMa: ping Sep 21 18:16:06 all I ever got from intone was a segfault Sep 21 18:16:38 DocScrutinizer-8: maybe it did not like your music? :P Sep 21 18:17:02 which music? Sep 21 18:17:25 I simply tried to playback a wav ringtone Sep 21 18:17:38 :) Sep 21 18:17:49 but didn't even get it how to manage that Sep 21 18:18:11 you have to add it to your playlist first :P Sep 21 18:19:10 yea that works great, then switching to what I think could be the playlist playback interface (what a fuck btw), simply segfaulted Sep 21 18:20:34 basically it takes me 10sec from start of intone to segfault. 100% reproducable Sep 21 18:20:56 oh I got a segfault too though from what is seems I got segfaults from everything e17 related at some point ... seems locale related (I hope) Sep 21 18:22:02 but after import segfaulted I restarted and got my music (missing where the non flv that mplayer should be able to play ... but they may not be accepted or accents where inside it and it leaded to segfault Sep 21 18:23:03 btw does anybody have non asci chars in contacts and managed to have shr-contacts not segafult in sim import Sep 21 18:23:50 now that I have completed neon hacks I ll switch back to this issue Sep 21 18:24:11 * TeLLuS had to remove one bad file to make intone work, found out witch one with strace. Otherwise got segfault.. Sep 21 18:25:26 TeLLuS, was it a file with specific charset in the name or a broken one internally (ie that could not be played by mplayer) Sep 21 18:26:20 mrmoku: btw to say "it works great" to add sth to a playlist is actually exaggerated. I can add a dir but no file. I can rescan where it states it added 2 albums I donnu where it can find them. then I still see no chance to select a particular fsckng playlist. touching leftmost toolbar icon segfaults then Sep 21 18:27:11 DocScrutinizer-8: I went to the munich OpenMoko Stammtisch together with toaster last week Sep 21 18:27:18 one word: crap Sep 21 18:27:20 There somebody had another nice music player Sep 21 18:27:27 don't remember the name though :( Sep 21 18:30:05 not vagalume I hope (as it is lastfm only I believe) Sep 21 18:30:20 well, thanks for mentioning it. But I guess I will survive 10days without any music-player, as I do without decent contacts and all the other more important apps Sep 21 18:32:34 PaulFertser: Plays fine. charset or some problem string problem I guess. Backtrace showed some std str.. function. I have no debug symbol for that. Sep 21 18:32:53 TeLLuS: are you sure you're talking with me? ;) Sep 21 18:32:56 prahal: Was for you.. Sep 21 18:34:41 prahal: no, not vagalume Sep 21 18:35:21 xD Sep 21 18:35:22 ok thanks it adds to my own experimentations . Sep 21 18:35:30 i was looking if there is new release of tangogps today Sep 21 18:35:38 as i saw it building on buildhost Sep 21 18:35:46 and now mail arrived - new release of tangogps! :D Sep 21 18:39:16 i'm having a lot of "opkg: Cannot create directory `/var/lib/opkg': Permission denied" in my do_rootfs.log, is that normal? Sep 21 18:40:15 df -h Sep 21 18:40:34 DocScrutinizer-8: 12Gig free Sep 21 18:40:50 lol, should suffice Sep 21 18:41:25 I just removed a testbuild dir, that had 8Gb ;) Sep 21 18:42:11 so 12Gb is not that much, if you build an shr image Sep 21 18:44:03 I will do some other stuff now, bbl Sep 21 18:52:47 NOTE: Running task 11429 of 13374 (ID: 3432, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/e17/intuition_svn.bb, do_configure) Sep 21 18:56:36 playya: ModemManager != fso, pyneo or even ofono Sep 21 18:56:42 prahal: completely different thing Sep 21 18:56:55 s/prahal/playya/ Sep 21 18:56:57 dos1 meant: playya: completely different thing Sep 21 18:57:17 why? you have a card, contacts, sms, networking Sep 21 18:57:22 interface Sep 21 18:57:40 that's all supported by them and even more Sep 21 18:58:05 playya: that's something like gnokii for networkmanager Sep 21 18:58:16 playya: well, the most basic function - phone calls ;) Sep 21 18:58:23 playya: can you do phone calls with modemmanager? Sep 21 18:58:34 no. Sep 21 18:59:00 but why not use an existing one? Sep 21 18:59:26 woush I cannot believe it ... I tried gstreamer playbin with the same load as with mplayer (dpkg+aptitude running ) ... nothing in common way better Sep 21 19:00:15 playya: ModemManager is not middleware for smartphones Sep 21 19:00:32 playya: it's for managing your modem/phone from pc Sep 21 19:00:34 mrmoku: pong Sep 21 19:01:05 JaMa: I would like to clean the XSERVER thing with respect to the machine and unstable/testing Sep 21 19:01:21 JaMa: I don't think it is a good idea to immediately switch testing to xorg :P Sep 21 19:01:36 yes. but you can also use the existing solutions for it. maybe we should check if making phone calls is possible or remove the interfaces Sep 21 19:01:46 JaMa: for example opening vala-term in typing fast on the illume keyboard makes it go boooom ;) Sep 21 19:02:01 s/in/and/ Sep 21 19:02:02 mrmoku meant: JaMa: for example openandg vala-term in typing fast on the illume keyboard makes it go boooom ;) Sep 21 19:02:09 grr Sep 21 19:02:53 dos1: all /usr/share/elementary/themes here 644 only paroli.edj has 755 :P Sep 21 19:03:06 what would be neat is to indeed keep any of the interfaces (for network status or such ) ... so front end applications like mua could be aware of the status without specific patches Sep 21 19:03:07 JaMa: do you have niebiee? ;) Sep 21 19:03:29 playya: different approaches, different things, different usage. Sep 21 19:04:23 NOTE: Running task 11537 of 13374 (ID: 3198, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/uucp/uucp_1.07.bb, do_configure) Sep 21 19:04:38 * mrmoku applied all patches in time :;P Sep 21 19:04:55 dos1: I have everything and even more! more! more! Sep 21 19:05:01 ;D Sep 21 19:05:37 hmm, definitely FR charges with a USB current of >700mA on an alien charger that doesn't have any magic R and for sure does no enumerate Sep 21 19:06:23 mrmoku: what about introducing shr-unstable as distro? as Heinervdm suggested? I noticed your complaining about changing local config, but how many builders are there? Sep 21 19:06:26 DocScrutinizer-8: hmm, that's strange Sep 21 19:06:49 DocScrutinizer-8: here i always have to switch from 100 to 500mA when using alien charger (that one with green/red led ;)) Sep 21 19:06:50 JaMa: don't know how many... but there are builders Sep 21 19:07:04 more than 10 for sure ;) Sep 21 19:07:12 exactly that one Sep 21 19:07:16 vegyraupe, khiraly1: Sep 21 19:07:17 NOTE: Running task 11558 of 13374 (ID: 3183, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb, do_install) Sep 21 19:07:19 NOTE: package paroli-0.2.1+gitr1073+56c12dc5d26dbe7e97a8863cc78c53bf9b815603: started Sep 21 19:07:22 ;) Sep 21 19:07:33 mrmoku: I'm thinking about starting to build from org.oe.dev branch :) that would be second change to local config.. we can do both at once :) Sep 21 19:08:13 mrmoku: upgraded toolchain and support from more devs is tempting me Sep 21 19:08:29 JaMa: we will get there Sep 21 19:08:46 * JaMa already build xorg-image of angstrom for neo :) Sep 21 19:09:02 mrmoku: that would solve issue how to split -testing and -unstable :) Sep 21 19:09:05 JaMa: do you have it installed and can try if it segfaults? Sep 21 19:09:16 dos1: starts on 500 setting with 560 for bat, plus 180 for system. However when switching to 100 it stops charging completely, or more accurate it seems to obbey the 100 max USB current Sep 21 19:09:26 mrmoku: I've only -kms.conf on my neo.. Sep 21 19:09:40 JaMa: can you try if it segfaults? Sep 21 19:09:55 mrmoku: but its true.. sometimes it segfaults.. the same conclusion as Weiss Sep 21 19:10:01 DocScrutinizer-8: here it doesn't charge or charge really slowly with 100mA (as supposed), and 100mA is default after connecting Sep 21 19:10:24 DocScrutinizer-8: and i need to change it to 500mA, then it charges just correctly, shr-settings displays ~ -300mA Sep 21 19:10:28 mrmoku: about twice during weekend for me.. neo used every day for at least 8 hours.. Sep 21 19:10:36 dos1: ...which leaves some 15mA for charge with screen dim, or eats 70 from bat with full lit Sep 21 19:10:52 JaMa: can you try if the illume fast typing makes it go boom immediately? Sep 21 19:11:22 mrmoku: already tried.. but its not that easy to reproduce here.. Sep 21 19:11:50 mrmoku: I can type really fast and sometimes it goes boom and sometimes I can write for very long time.. Sep 21 19:12:00 ok Sep 21 19:12:19 dos1: yes, for 100 setting same here. Anyway it doesn't start at 100, and it charges with 550, plus 180 for system Sep 21 19:12:50 JaMa: what parts of SHR already hit oe.dev? Sep 21 19:12:59 I think there is still lots of stuff missing Sep 21 19:13:51 dos1: actually it switches from 100 to 500 on insertion of plug Sep 21 19:13:59 mrmoku: check series from Stefan starting here http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=3ecdded38aea32c9e18caa7218158d3acbd18883 Sep 21 19:14:51 mrmoku: mostly themes and few phone libs.. Sep 21 19:15:21 mrmoku: shr.conf as distro still missing.. Sep 21 19:15:24 JaMa: I fear switching to oe.dev is not yet an option for us Sep 21 19:16:25 mrmoku: but maybe we=you should revise stuff like preferred_versions.. it would be pity to prefer old versions just because its there and no one knows if its still needed.. Sep 21 19:17:14 bbl Sep 21 19:17:18 hmmm Sep 21 19:17:33 mrmoku: I have no idea how long did it take for Stefan to prepare what he already merged, but he pushed quite a lot stuff in one day Sep 21 19:19:13 last 800 tasks here Sep 21 19:19:35 NOTE: Running task 11647 of 13374 (ID: 3092, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/ruby/ruby_1.8.5.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 19:19:43 1700 here Sep 21 19:19:48 * JaMa can beat buildhost! Sep 21 19:19:54 go phenom go! Sep 21 19:20:16 * mrmoku thinks JaMa does not build 13374 packages though ;) Sep 21 19:20:36 9648 Sep 21 19:20:50 but started today morning in one thread and 1 process.. Sep 21 19:21:06 hmm... indeed faster Sep 21 19:21:17 buildhost started yesterday... Sep 21 19:21:29 also in one thread and one process Sep 21 19:21:41 30h ;x Sep 21 19:21:41 how much ram do you have? Sep 21 19:22:15 MemTotal: 1835008 kB Sep 21 19:22:20 and maybe its because I'm building it on raid0 with 3 disks Sep 21 19:22:22 but it runs lots of other stuff too Sep 21 19:22:47 Mem: 4056796 Sep 21 19:24:46 btw anyone using full findutils instead of busyboxed one? Sep 21 19:26:54 JaMa: DocScrutinizer-8 does for sure :P Sep 21 19:28:14 mrmoku: what about using some variable defined in shr-autorev-unstable.conf later in machine config just as sign that we're building unstable? Or is machine config parsed before distro includes? Sep 21 19:28:35 JaMa: not sure about he order Sep 21 19:29:32 JaMa: mrmoku: U bet Sep 21 19:29:52 DocScrutinizer: does it work for you? no problems with update-alternatives in postinst? Sep 21 19:30:23 actually it was nasty. had to rm the postinst job by hand ;-P Sep 21 19:30:32 DocScrutinizer: findutils doesn't install /usr/bin/find.findutils but /usr/bin/find directly.. :) Sep 21 19:30:43 DocScrutinizer: exactly :) ok.. I'm not only one... :) Sep 21 19:31:11 DocScrutinizer: but I'm not as nasty as you're.. so I removed that update-alternatives from postinst and rebuild package :) Sep 21 19:31:12 JaMa: see ppl.om.org/joerg/unsorted/opkg-u Sep 21 19:32:11 courtesy mrmoku :-D Sep 21 19:33:21 caution, that script is absolutely outdated! Sep 21 19:34:14 JaMa: and of course I had to run updatedb by hand ;-P Sep 21 19:34:16 DocScrutinizer: I have mine .. post-flash script.. a bit longer Sep 21 19:35:10 http://jama.homelinux.org/websvn/listing.php?repname=scripts&path=%2Finstall-gta%2F#path_install-gta_ Sep 21 19:38:02 NOTE: Running task 11753 of 13374 (ID: 2964, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/wxwidgets/wxwidgets_2.8.9.bb, do_configure) Sep 21 19:48:36 JaMa: bitbake.conf tells me that distro comes after machine Sep 21 19:50:19 mrmoku: hmm and includes from conf/local.conf after that? Sep 21 19:51:38 can someone check what permissions /usr/bin/calc has Sep 21 19:51:39 ? Sep 21 19:52:17 JaMa: no, before Sep 21 19:52:26 include conf/site.conf Sep 21 19:52:26 include conf/auto.conf Sep 21 19:52:26 include conf/local.conf Sep 21 19:52:36 JaMa: as auto.conf defines the machine... Sep 21 19:53:36 dos1: -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 4855 2009-09-09 14:09 /usr/bin/calc Sep 21 19:53:57 dos1: hehe... Sep 21 19:54:02 ok, then my fault as well ;) Sep 21 19:54:06 so only ffalarms Sep 21 19:54:15 can someone try to run it as non-root? Sep 21 19:54:46 dos1: ffalarms? Sep 21 19:54:58 khiraly1: I installed paroli from opkg, will see how it runs over the next few days Sep 21 19:55:02 NOTE: build 200909211550: completed Sep 21 19:55:10 5 packages failed Sep 21 19:55:16 mrmoku: yup Sep 21 19:55:17 2 already fixed Sep 21 19:55:27 NOTE: Running task 11755 of 13374 (ID: 2966, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/wxwidgets/wxwidgets_2.8.9.bb, do_compile) Sep 21 19:55:30 khiraly1: I will try to find time tomorrow to get shr on another phone to be able to do development :) Sep 21 19:56:16 dos1: foobar@om-gta02 /home/root $ ls -l /usr/share/ffalarms/ffalarms.edj Sep 21 19:56:19 -rw------- 1 root root 65421 Aug 7 22:50 /usr/share/ffalarms/ffalarms.edj Sep 21 19:56:21 n8 all Sep 21 19:56:26 n8 Sep 21 19:57:33 dos1: after chmoding it correctly ffalarms starts Sep 21 19:58:24 autostarting ophonekitd, accels, few shr-settings issues, and shr-installer Sep 21 19:58:33 and ffalarms package Sep 21 19:58:47 so those are the only things to fix before we can use non-root account by default :) Sep 21 19:59:33 not much Sep 21 20:00:35 dos1: ok, for ffalarms its just the chmod... after that alarm triggers :) Sep 21 20:01:04 PaulFertser: hmm, /sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/bl_power is 0 but the LCD is on. is this a bug? Sep 21 20:01:52 moving to neo Sep 21 20:02:25 lindi-: not sure, probably... Sep 21 20:02:45 filing... Sep 21 20:09:04 PaulFertser: bl_power seems to be work in an inverted fashion here. Writing "1" will turn the display off :-) Sep 21 20:12:27 lindi-: iirc 0 is illegal value Sep 21 20:12:43 DocScrutinizer-8: really? I thought bl_power was 0 or 1 Sep 21 20:13:02 ooh, power. sorry I misread Sep 21 20:14:58 this was an issue beginning of year. Kernel guys admitted it's wrong but they can't fix it anymore as now userland has adopted that inverted mess Sep 21 20:15:22 DocScrutinizer-8: huh? Sep 21 20:16:40 DocScrutinizer-8: ok the real problem is that X went to a state where it thinks that monitor is off so it does not try to blank the display Sep 21 20:16:48 DocScrutinizer-8: 'xset q' returned 'monitor is off' Sep 21 20:17:00 DocScrutinizer-8: I immediately assumed that bl_power == 0 would be the reason Sep 21 20:17:42 sorry, no knowledge here about that Sep 21 20:18:13 all above even IIRC Sep 21 20:19:12 JaMa: I'm trying now to set FLAVOUR = "unstable" in auto.conf Sep 21 20:19:26 JaMa: and then use that in om-gta01/02.conf Sep 21 20:19:48 mrmoku: I have pisi-0.4.7.bb, do you want it? Sep 21 20:20:03 mrmoku: its a bit cleaner as there shouldn't be .svn dirs :) Sep 21 20:20:07 JaMa: hehe, committed 5 seconds ago Sep 21 20:20:11 I'd prefer flavour == maracuja Sep 21 20:20:29 DocScrutinizer-8: then go to #maemo and ask for it ;) Sep 21 20:20:36 * mrmoku hides Sep 21 20:20:37 hehehe Sep 21 20:21:02 * DocScrutinizer-8 heads to fridhe, for a nice maracuja icecream Sep 21 20:21:35 JaMa: could you do a patch against what I have comitted? Sep 21 20:22:27 maracuja out ;-( Sep 21 20:22:38 dos1|neo: if you're on the neo screen is soooo small on the buildhost :P Sep 21 20:22:56 ;D Sep 21 20:23:12 mrmoku: Michael posted that to patchwork too :) Sep 21 20:23:14 dos1|neo: btw... use screen -x instead of screen -r Sep 21 20:23:24 JaMa: that's what I have comitted :) Sep 21 20:23:34 mrmoku: it applied cleanly? Sep 21 20:23:45 mrmoku: better? ;) Sep 21 20:23:45 mrmoku: I've seen openmoko2/pisi Sep 21 20:23:57 mrmoku: but its openmoko-3rdparty/pisi now Sep 21 20:23:57 JaMa: no... because he seems to have it in openmoko2 Sep 21 20:23:58 yeah Sep 21 20:24:12 I manually redid the changes Sep 21 20:24:36 mrmoku: oki.. I can send patch just adding released version to preferred_shr_versions Sep 21 20:24:43 ok Sep 21 20:25:01 mrmoku: pity that http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/907/pisi-src-0.4.7.tar.gz is changing that 907 with every file for download :/ Sep 21 20:25:20 JaMa: that is *very* annoying indeed :( Sep 21 20:25:30 mrmoku: so next version of bbfile needs to touch SRC_URI, ${PV} is not enough :? Sep 21 20:25:33 :/ Sep 21 20:26:25 JaMa: and you have to be carefull to not forget about it Sep 21 20:26:33 because the filename does not matter Sep 21 20:26:42 it will download the old one anyway Sep 21 20:26:54 and then you have the wrong one in your downloads dir :( Sep 21 20:27:34 JaMa: wget http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/907/foobar.tar.gz Sep 21 20:27:37 works just fine ;) Sep 21 20:28:24 how stupid is that! Sep 21 20:28:30 no idea Sep 21 20:28:43 * mrmoku is missing the vocabulary for that Sep 21 20:28:47 linuxtogo has some new version of Gforge.. hopefully resolved there Sep 21 20:30:48 hmm its the same Sep 21 20:34:45 dos1|neo: (screen -x) won't kick another one out of the shared session I think Sep 21 20:39:49 DocScrutinizer: btw, I still not get, why you are so exited about nokia n900... Sep 21 20:40:01 DocScrutinizer: they will just abandone gtk in favor of qt Sep 21 20:40:24 Openmoko was on that path already Sep 21 20:40:25 ;) Sep 21 20:40:39 In the end they will end up with enlightenment;-) Sep 21 20:40:55 after buying it though ;) Sep 21 20:41:33 but really, if maemo 6 will use qt, then I dont think there will be too much third party app to it Sep 21 20:41:41 or am I misunderstand something? Sep 21 20:43:35 yes, you misunderstand the basic principle true for maemo as well as for OM: having a gtk based set of base-apps doesn't exclude using any app based on qt. And vice versa Sep 21 20:44:01 s/base-apps/core-apps/ Sep 21 20:44:02 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: yes, you misunderstand the basic principle true for maemo as well as for OM: having a gtk based set of core-apps doesn't exclude using any app based on qt. And vice versa Sep 21 20:47:35 mrmoku: hmm pisi is installed as /bin/pisi, should I move it to /usr/bin/pisi or doesn't care? Sep 21 20:52:42 12200 tasks Sep 21 20:54:22 mrmoku: screen -r isn't kicking too Sep 21 20:54:28 only screen -dr Sep 21 20:54:53 * PaulFertser is monkeyish enough to have stuffed his very useful monkey wrench somewhere so he can't find it. :( Sep 21 20:55:36 * JaMa rebuilding rootfs, all packages ready Sep 21 20:55:47 PaulFertser: you need a Torx screwdriver for connecting the debug board, not a wrench :) Sep 21 20:56:30 Weiss: in fact i got by with some nice flat screwdrivers for that (and never placed the screws back). Sep 21 20:56:55 Weiss: and in fact i don't have a debug board, i just soldered my usb-uart converter to the TPs on gta01. Sep 21 20:56:57 DocScrutinizer: yeah, just somehow the tendency, if your base apps are on qt, then you prefer qt apps Sep 21 20:56:58 maybe he wants to break sth, to have some problem for debug Sep 21 20:57:18 DocScrutinizer: same as for the desktop I think. I have gtk apps, I didnt care to install a single qt app Sep 21 20:57:22 I need monkey wrench to repair my old bicycle. Sep 21 20:57:29 hehe Sep 21 20:57:54 I put the screws back in, as a mark of my confidence in my own work :) Sep 21 20:57:56 dos1|neo: is the X running? did it compiled in the end successfully? Sep 21 20:58:09 Weiss: i have two different hammers and one axe here at home, no problem with braking anything ;) Sep 21 20:58:23 khiraly1: hmm? Sep 21 20:58:33 khiraly1: still building there, successfully running here and on weiss neo :) Sep 21 20:58:42 aham Sep 21 21:00:02 khiraly1: on desktop you probably wouldn't even notice if an occasional app of the other camp is mixing in between your kde or gnome desktop. On FR you might also have used qt apps without even noticing Sep 21 21:00:38 DocScrutinizer: dont think so. I tried to use in the past qt apps, but didnt liked it Sep 21 21:00:58 khiraly1: and I don't see how your later reasoning is going to make the point wrt maemo missing apps Sep 21 21:01:47 ok, I will watch how your nokia n900 device is going ... Sep 21 21:02:21 btw, I saw once a nice nokia n700(?) app, where you could note taking, drawing and zooming in and drawing and zooming out Sep 21 21:02:26 was a really nice demo Sep 21 21:02:47 he said, it uses for note taking in uni Sep 21 21:06:15 dos1|neo: ahh... ok Sep 21 21:06:38 JaMa: I would prefer /usr/bin yeah Sep 21 21:08:01 * mrmoku off to bed Sep 21 21:08:03 gnight all Sep 21 21:09:27 dos1|neo: fsckng opimd(-contacts) actually can store a contact like "w. graez", but searching for "w" as well as searching for "W" gives me"Werner", "Walter", but no "w. graetz" :-(( Sep 21 21:10:51 dos1|neo: not to mention instring search like "g" for "w. greaz" Sep 21 21:11:07 DocScrutinizer-8: hnm, that's bug then Sep 21 21:12:15 ok, cant find it Sep 21 21:12:51 what sketching applications exist for the freerunner? Sep 21 21:12:54 anybody used one? Sep 21 21:12:59 xournal? Sep 21 21:13:07 gpe-sketcpad Sep 21 21:13:17 it's in shr by default Sep 21 21:13:28 xournal is also in feed Sep 21 21:13:43 gpe-sketchpad* Sep 21 21:14:12 hmm, ok, I will try it asap Sep 21 21:14:13 ;) Sep 21 21:16:06 can't seem to find the new tangogps ipk on http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Download Sep 21 21:16:34 does anyone know where i can get the 0.9.7? Sep 21 21:17:41 Zorkman: soon in shr repo Sep 21 21:17:47 * Cannot find package gpe-sketchpad. Sep 21 21:18:15 sketchbook Sep 21 21:18:24 khiraly1: oh, sorry ;) Sep 21 21:18:30 ;) Sep 21 21:18:57 although Im really sad, I couldnt find on the internet the app what I have learned about like 1-2 years ago Sep 21 21:19:13 it was really designed to fast note taking app during courses Sep 21 21:20:19 hmm, this gpe-sketchbook does not want to start Sep 21 21:20:40 failed to open file '/usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/gpe-logo.png' Sep 21 21:20:45 install gpe-icons Sep 21 21:20:56 hmm, ok, I'll try Sep 21 21:21:05 i thought it's already fixed Sep 21 21:21:23 khiraly1: what version of package did you install? Sep 21 21:21:29 maybe Im on a bit too old shr. I think im on sept 10 or so Sep 21 21:21:36 dos1|neo: a sec, and I check it Sep 21 21:22:02 dos1|neo: when the new x with the new kernel with the new enlightenment will be available on shr, I will immediatly install it Sep 21 21:22:03 ;) Sep 21 21:22:24 khiraly1: not only you ;) Sep 21 21:22:53 gpe-scap - 1.3-r2 - Sep 21 21:22:53 gpe-sketchbook - 0.2.9-r0 - Sep 21 21:22:56 dos1|neo: ^^ Sep 21 21:23:20 soltys: Im also waiting from the new X seemless 640x480 vs. 320x240 switch Sep 21 21:23:24 khiraly1: yup, old Sep 21 21:23:24 also playable doom Sep 21 21:23:49 I checked the most popular game for iphone. Guess which one was it? Sep 21 21:23:53 dos1|neo: ok, thank you Sep 21 21:24:11 ;) Sep 21 21:24:12 doom Sep 21 21:24:23 doom ftw Sep 21 21:28:50 yeah, doom Sep 21 21:29:09 hmm, on this gpe-sketchbook there is no zoom or panning Sep 21 21:29:12 quit limite Sep 21 21:29:13 d Sep 21 21:29:23 yournal is like a rocket launcher. Full of buttons Sep 21 21:32:09 khiraly1: i just discovered Xournal an hour or so ago.. Sep 21 21:33:19 way slower then gpe sketchbook Sep 21 21:33:36 if sketchbook would support panning and zooming, it will be the ultimate drawing application Sep 21 21:33:51 would be excellent for note taking while on course Sep 21 21:33:59 yep Sep 21 21:34:06 hint: turn off anti-aliasing etc Sep 21 21:34:11 I would typewrite on the laptop, and draw on my neo (attached via usb) Sep 21 21:34:18 I did this today, just not drawing Sep 21 21:34:51 I think we generally need to work out why GTK is so slow with Xorg (slower than Kdrive). I thought it was due to GEM overheads in the KMS driver, but it's slow with mainline xf86-video-glamo as well.. Sep 21 21:35:06 Any good ways to speed up the rendering of eg. the contact lists in SHR? Sep 21 21:35:42 hmm Sep 21 21:35:43 mortenlysgaard: have you changed the E engines in all the various places? (I forget where exactly, I'm afraid) Sep 21 21:35:50 mortenlysgaard: x11-16 engine and good theme Sep 21 21:35:50 where can I turn off the antialiasing? Sep 21 21:36:00 khiraly1: Options menu Sep 21 21:36:02 options->antialised bitmaps Sep 21 21:36:07 like niebiee, neo and gry* Sep 21 21:36:13 but still all drawings are aa-d Sep 21 21:36:19 ah, ok Sep 21 21:37:20 dos1|neo: Hm.. Where do i set the x11-16, is it the same as software-16 in the settings of illume? Sep 21 21:38:08 mortenlysgaard: no Sep 21 21:38:28 mortenlysgaard: x11-16 for elementary you can set in shr-settings Sep 21 21:39:05 dos1|neo: Under what category? Never seen it :S Sep 21 21:39:10 ... which geek doesn't check every possible option/feature of his tool? ;/ Sep 21 21:39:16 mortenlysgaard: appearance Sep 21 21:40:05 Weiss: hmm, it is slow a bit Sep 21 21:40:21 but still more useful anyway Sep 21 21:40:28 dos1|neo: missing icon for yournal Sep 21 21:40:30 xournal Sep 21 21:41:22 dos1|neo: Feeling a bit stupid now, but is that category quite new. I can't seem to find it. Have a month or so old build. Sep 21 21:41:48 mortenlysgaard: oh Sep 21 21:41:55 mortenlysgaard: so the question is Sep 21 21:42:08 mortenlysgaard: why do you have such old build? Sep 21 21:42:21 it's stupid ;x Sep 21 21:42:38 dos1|neo: Heh, I know. Updating now ;) Sep 21 21:43:11 mortenlysgaard: be careful, look if opkg isn't removing something Sep 21 21:43:27 dos1|neo: The reason is btw. that the last 5 times I've tried to upgrade it's broken my phone Sep 21 21:43:39 it likes to remove libfsotransport0 and noone knows why Sep 21 21:43:45 dos1|neo: Removing something? Sep 21 21:43:55 mortenlysgaard: it's been months that I have flashed my device, and i upgrade all the time Sep 21 21:44:12 somtimes libfsotransport0 takes a vacation, but you can force it back Sep 21 21:44:23 dos1|neo: How? Sep 21 21:44:24 mortenlysgaard: the correct thing to do when upgrade breaks something is to fix it, not to restore previous state Sep 21 21:44:45 dos1|neo: True, but lately I haven't had the time.. Sep 21 21:47:42 good night Sep 21 21:49:31 dos1|neo: you forgot to include checksum for tangogps-0.9.7.tar.gz.. sending patch later.. Sep 21 21:49:45 oh, right Sep 21 21:50:11 dos1|neo: waiting for buildhost to finish? :) Sep 21 21:50:41 12716 Sep 21 21:50:51 JaMa: about 600 tasks left Sep 21 21:51:13 * JaMa curious how many failed.. Sep 21 21:51:18 PaulFertser ? Sep 21 21:51:26 What theme would you suggest for a speed bost? Sep 21 21:51:44 mortenlysgaard: niebiee, neo or gry* Sep 21 21:52:01 dos1|neo: Thanks =) Sep 21 21:52:53 mortenlysgaard: i recommend niebiee, as i'm author ;) and it's blueee ;D Sep 21 21:53:34 dos1|neo: niebiee looks nice.. but I prefer green on blue.. as its my favourite color in terminal :) Sep 21 21:54:06 dos1|neo: and old hw terminal on serial line HP700/92 cannot change color as easy as neo :) Sep 21 21:54:34 JaMa: hehe :) Sep 21 21:56:22 Ainulindale: what's up? Sep 21 21:57:49 PaulFertser: need a hand with russian kbd layout on xorg :-) Sep 21 21:57:56 PaulFertser: Just wondering where I could find the accent :-p Sep 21 21:58:07 (I'm doing some kind of vocabulary flash cards) Sep 21 21:58:17 And xkeycaps won't let me choose the keyboard Sep 21 22:00:53 Ainulindale: accent? I know of only two characters that require it. Sep 21 22:01:17 PaulFertser: just for me for the way it's pronounced Sep 21 22:01:29 Ainulindale: do you mean stress mark? Sep 21 22:01:34 нуз Sep 21 22:01:37 hmpf Sep 21 22:01:37 yes Sep 21 22:02:37 Ainulindale: we don't have that in our usual keymaps. Just use LaTeX notation: prepend \` or \' before the stressed char, i guess it's universally understood. Sep 21 22:03:43 Well I'll do something like that :-) Sep 21 22:03:46 Thanks Sep 21 22:03:52 (And your vocabulary is just awful to learn) Sep 21 22:03:52 Ainulindale: probably you'll have some success with "composite" key but i'm not sure, have never tried it. Sep 21 22:03:58 (as every other vocabulary anyway) Sep 21 22:04:21 Ainulindale: in fact our worse than most european languages. Too few latin-derived words ;) Sep 21 22:05:52 А мне правится руский язык (if I'm right :-) ) Sep 21 22:06:09 (just took me half an hour to type it properly) Sep 21 22:06:18 (I ordered keyboard stickers to ease that :-p) Sep 21 22:06:36 I think a c went missing though Sep 21 22:06:48 Ainulindale: the third word is wrong, first letter should be "N" Sep 21 22:06:59 Ah yeah I always do that same mistake Sep 21 22:07:03 And yes, one c is missing :) Sep 21 22:07:18 I don't know I read it with a П the first time Sep 21 22:07:21 +why Sep 21 22:07:42 And therefore I pronounce it wrongly each time and it sticked Sep 21 22:07:48 s/sticked/stuck/ Sep 21 22:07:49 Ainulindale meant: And therefore I pronounce it wrongly each time and it stuck Sep 21 22:08:07 But wonderful use of the dative though Sep 21 22:08:11 \o/ Sep 21 22:08:19 (I hate cases) Sep 21 22:10:49 (one can do weird things for a girl) Sep 21 22:11:17 Ainulindale: hehe, i hope you wouldn't go to a HP movie for any girl ;) Sep 21 22:11:26 Already did that Sep 21 22:11:29 A while ago Sep 21 22:11:44 (If by HP you don't mean cthulhu stuff) Sep 21 22:13:02 xD Sep 21 22:14:06 Well just picture the sake of a couple in front of the pain inflicted upon a movie Sep 21 22:14:13 All in all it's for the greater good Sep 21 22:17:03 And anyway learning a new language is fun so I don't take that as a pain in the ass :-) Sep 21 22:19:27 Is there any way to run the pin dialog manually? Sep 21 22:19:41 In SHR Sep 21 22:22:00 300 tasks left Sep 21 22:39:46 NOTE: package shr-image-2.0-r4: task do_rm_work_all: completed Sep 21 22:56:05 ptitjes, hi! Sep 21 22:56:14 hello Sep 21 22:56:24 I have kinda bug with libgso-glib, can you help me? Sep 21 22:56:31 it can't find gee_map_remove Sep 21 22:56:34 maybe Sep 21 22:56:36 (I have libgee-0.3) Sep 21 22:57:04 humm we don't use gee in libfso-glib... Sep 21 22:57:36 or it was vala-binding-tool, sorry, one moment plz Sep 21 22:58:17 neither Sep 21 23:00:15 dos1|neo: Sep 21 23:00:16 Collected errors: Sep 21 23:00:16 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-shr-minimal-apps: Sep 21 23:00:19 * fso-abyss * fso-abyss * Sep 21 23:00:54 ptitjes, vala-dbus-binding-tool.c:963: error: too few arguments to function ‘gee_map_remove Sep 21 23:01:19 dos1|neo: but fso-abyss can be build just fine Sep 21 23:01:36 ptitjes, I compiling version from here: http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ Sep 21 23:02:19 170 tasks left Sep 21 23:02:48 * JaMa already pushed sth to patchwork Sep 21 23:02:54 and now sleep() Sep 21 23:03:54 ptitjes, so, I have 2 variants, or some upstreem gee required, or?... Sep 21 23:05:41 max_posedon_: what vala do you use ? Sep 21 23:06:52 max_posedon_: it appears that vdbt uses the gee from Vala (which is bad indeed) Sep 21 23:06:55 vala-0.7.6-fso2 from link above Sep 21 23:08:01 hum... Sep 21 23:08:08 I think I know the problem Sep 21 23:08:53 max_posedon_: I think that if you rebuild vdbt from source it will be ok Sep 21 23:09:00 mickey_away: ping Sep 21 23:09:18 he is away for 2 weeks, as I know Sep 21 23:09:33 what you mean under rebuild? if I'm *building* it Sep 21 23:09:35 huh Sep 21 23:09:43 from source Sep 21 23:09:54 sorry Sep 21 23:10:09 does it trigger valac ? Sep 21 23:10:18 does the build do trigger valac ? Sep 21 23:10:24 or does it just do gcc Sep 21 23:10:25 ? Sep 21 23:11:24 oh, looks like just trigger Sep 21 23:11:44 yes, your right, works if rebuild .c files Sep 21 23:11:51 max_posedon_: I'm quite sure it does not launch valac, looking in the archive mickey did there is a C file already Sep 21 23:11:52 now I think I know what I should do Sep 21 23:12:03 make maintainer-clean Sep 21 23:12:11 ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr Sep 21 23:12:14 make Sep 21 23:12:17 sudo make install Sep 21 23:12:19 :p Sep 21 23:12:41 eautoreconf should be enough) Sep 21 23:13:19 hum not sure it will remove the c file and the vala.stamp Sep 21 23:13:21 thanks for helping Sep 21 23:13:25 no problem Sep 21 23:13:44 let me try, I'll report in some mins Sep 21 23:13:59 I'll try to find time tomorow to fix the depend on libvala and replace it by a depend on libgee Sep 21 23:14:08 because this is the problem in fact Sep 21 23:14:56 I face some more problem with snapshots, but I think I should wait mickey Sep 21 23:15:01 or not? Sep 21 23:15:08 snapshots ? Sep 21 23:15:13 yes Sep 21 23:15:20 what is this ? Sep 21 23:15:25 http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ Sep 21 23:15:33 ha releases Sep 21 23:15:34 some tar balls released here Sep 21 23:15:48 some of them packaged wrongly Sep 21 23:15:56 huh Sep 21 23:15:57 missed vala-files, present useless c Sep 21 23:16:09 ohhh Sep 21 23:16:20 bad programmers ;p Sep 21 23:20:12 Ainulindale: fyi http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ seems broken now.. Sep 21 23:33:02 ptitjes, ok, you was right, eautoreconf doesn't help, removing .stamp works better) Sep 21 23:47:56 ptitjes, still here? new problem, now with libfso-glib Sep 21 23:48:04 make[3]: *** No rule to make target `fso-glib-1.0.deps', needed by `all-am'. Stop. Sep 21 23:53:49 JaMa: got a backtrace of an Xorg segfault.. may or may not be the same one as the one which happens when you type quickly Sep 21 23:57:27 (to replicate: have Illume running, then start Dillo. worked 4/4 times here) Sep 22 00:02:32 max_posedon_, it should be in the git repository Sep 22 00:02:56 so, "release" isn't ok.. Sep 22 00:03:09 or I can apply just 1-2 patches? Sep 22 00:03:25 or you can "release" new version? Sep 22 00:04:29 did you run a make clean or maintainer-clean? Sep 22 00:05:03 I think I run many different ways Sep 22 00:06:06 hmm. maintainer-clean isn't the problem Sep 22 00:10:50 I compared with trunk Sep 22 00:11:18 e.g. with master, fso-glib-1.0.deps just missing in snapshot Sep 22 00:11:52 on more mistake in generated releases Sep 22 00:16:02 max_posedon_, it is there: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libfso-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/fso-glib-1.0.deps;h=09c8203da80b7a5a7bcc1a3b6b4f6d9de71a67ef;hb=HEAD Sep 22 00:16:11 and the .deps file is handwritten Sep 22 00:17:28 JaMa: actually, I think the segfault I just traced might be fixed by Xserver commit d3ad1804a5216487b5837a80f3e53b81212dcf84 - it at least affects the right function Sep 22 00:32:03 playya__, ok, all is fine now, except may be version Sep 22 00:32:05 libfso-glib.so.0.0.0 Sep 22 00:32:11 little bit confusing Sep 22 00:33:53 i think i should write some patches for vala to remove some warnings **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 22 02:59:57 2009