**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 30 02:59:57 2009 Sep 30 05:53:01 I just sent a question to the mailing list. WOuld it be possible to power and 'blink' an IR led from the USB interface? This would be nice for remote control applications... Sep 30 05:53:26 Ideally, I would only solder a LED and a resistor to a USB connector and let the FR do the rest. Sep 30 07:10:51 damn freedesktop.org, down since 10 hours... Sep 30 07:12:04 :/ Sep 30 07:31:14 Heinervdm: ah ok - i think freedesktop,org is only for me down Sep 30 09:41:21 ChristW: with just R and LED, especially via USB that's probably too slow for what you need Sep 30 09:42:11 Topic in #freedesktop: annarchy.fd.o (www.fd.o, anongit.fd.o, cgit.fd.o) down due to catastrophic PSU network failure, being repaired but its /home (and nothing else!) is gone for good Sep 30 09:42:46 ChristW: but there are IrDA USB dongles that probably can do what you want Sep 30 09:44:38 Heinervdm: haven't these guys ever heard of backups? o.O Sep 30 09:45:13 joerg_42: doesn't seem so ;) Sep 30 09:46:29 the bad thing about that is, that i can't continue building an image Sep 30 09:46:58 oh, well. just /home gone - that's no problem. They managed to restore the much more important /boot and /bin XD Sep 30 09:47:31 joerg_42: i think the most important parts of this server are in /var Sep 30 09:47:57 or /temp ;-D Sep 30 09:48:34 but now probably all git login's are gone :D Sep 30 09:49:52 I mustn't be overly sarcastic though. We almost left all calypso FW sources at OM Sep 30 09:50:15 s/left/lost/ Sep 30 09:50:16 joerg_42 meant: I mustn't be overly sarcastic though. We almost lost all calypso FW sources at OM Sep 30 09:55:25 joerg_42: IIRC, You'll need 36kHz modulation (for Philips' RC5 protocol) (see http://www.sbprojects.com/knowledge/ir/rc5.htm). Isn't that possible with USB? Sep 30 09:56:54 chris38_ath: depends on way you use USB. As I mentioned the simple power-on/off won't be fast enough Sep 30 09:57:36 Ah, ok. But can you bit-twiddle a line on the USB port, or isn't that possible? Sep 30 09:57:47 s/chris38_ath/ ChristW/ Sep 30 09:57:47 joerg_42 meant: ChristW: depends on way you use USB. As I mentioned the simple power-on/off won't be fast enough Sep 30 09:57:58 (I got that..., thanks). Sep 30 09:58:27 ChristW: should be possible Sep 30 09:59:08 so with a transistor you might get there Sep 30 09:59:56 Next time, just put an IR-led on the main board, please ;-) Sep 30 10:00:04 the mere GPIO will probably not cope with high currents (>8mA) Sep 30 10:00:28 ChristW: was planned for GTA04 Sep 30 10:00:58 What about GTA02-core? Sep 30 10:01:27 gta02-core is NOT about breaking new ground Sep 30 10:01:54 Ouch: http://led.linear1.org/how-are-infrared-leds-different/ (50mA!) Sep 30 10:02:20 that's why I say you need transistor Sep 30 10:04:28 joerg_42: Yup. But I wasn't expecting 50mA... AFAIK visible leds can be run from way less than 20 mA these days (rule of thumb used to be (25 years ago...) 20mA for a LED) Sep 30 10:05:08 same today. but there are 2mA types as well Sep 30 10:06:00 IR needs to be really "bright" to get a decent distance for transmission Sep 30 10:06:35 Ah well, I'll drop in a transistor as well then. It's only 4 parts in total, then (USB conn, transistor, R, LED, plus perhaps an extra R for the transistor. Sep 30 10:07:00 lol @ you guys bitching about the lack of backups Sep 30 10:07:03 you can get away with 5mA, if you always hold RC 20cm from receiver ;-P Sep 30 10:08:37 Nope. I'll sit on the couch, please! Sep 30 10:08:48 sybren: I stepped back already :-) Sep 30 10:09:46 joerg_42: another reason to use HG or Mercurial or the likes - you can cut back on backups ;-) Sep 30 10:20:13 ChristW: you should study schematics of an arbitrary IR-RC (to get that right with transistor and R), then you can use s3c2442-gpio program to test Sep 30 10:21:23 ChristW: a second visible LED (plus own R) is a nice feature for tests and control Sep 30 10:28:30 chris38_ath: you should check the cpu manual for the exact specs of the USB-GPIOs Sep 30 10:29:45 s/chris38_ath/ ChristW/ Sep 30 10:29:46 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: ChristW: you should check the cpu manual for the exact specs of the USB-GPIOs Sep 30 10:34:01 DocScrutinizer-8: I will. It's a nice project (software and hardware combined). And if it doesn't work, no-one's the wiser ;-) Sep 30 10:38:08 * DocScrutinizer-8 ponders about simply connecting IR-LED and antiparallel red LED to heaset output Sep 30 10:39:25 then sending the actual "flash-pattern" as a square-wave to audio Sep 30 10:44:50 DocScrutinizer-8: that sounds like those plasticy LED candles, the flickering of those LEDs is generated by the same chip as found in those music playing greeting cards Sep 30 10:45:12 hehehehe Sep 30 11:08:46 sybren: how do you know? those chips have no type printing usually ;-) Sep 30 11:14:17 DocScrutinizer-8: Nice idea to use the headset connector for that! Sep 30 11:14:24 Does it source 50 mA? Sep 30 11:16:14 ChristW: we have a totem-pole output from amp that's strong enough for sure. So we got 3V3 and GND for squarewave. Then there is 33R and 1uF series to output Sep 30 11:16:43 so 50mA probably is a little much to expect Sep 30 11:17:32 but honestly that's not so trivial to calculate. Depends on waveform etc as well Sep 30 11:18:27 DocScrutinizer-8: a friend of mine heard from somebody... you know how that goes. That friend of mine did hook up a headphone to the LED candle he had laying around, and he did hear music ;-) Sep 30 11:18:52 lol Sep 30 11:34:40 anybody out there who could share a pointer to the location where to add "record" option for GPRS pppd? (in SHR/FSO) Sep 30 11:36:18 hi has anyone had a successfull resume of audio playback after suspend ? I get a kernel bug when using gstreamer (gorshplayer) ... Sep 30 11:36:18 ( man pppd /record filename ) Sep 30 11:36:45 prahal: afaik that never worked Sep 30 11:37:20 intone prevents suspends but I dislikes this option (I am implementing ousaged request cpu in gorshplayer locally) Sep 30 11:37:39 prahal: you either a)should stop and close the audio device prior to suspend, or b) disable suspend during audio-playback Sep 30 11:38:05 DocMobilizer, thanks ... a few posts on the net told gstreamer was at fault (users not devs) but I believe all the non gstreamer players indeed disable suspend Sep 30 11:38:25 oups DocScrutinizer Sep 30 11:38:50 ok . I disable suspend while playing , but I reenable it dusing pause Sep 30 11:38:56 during Sep 30 11:39:18 prahal: during suspend the I2S datastream to codec (WM8753) gets out of sync, so that can never succeed Sep 30 11:39:49 (pause) that depends on actual implementation of "pause" function Sep 30 11:40:16 might work, might fail as well Sep 30 11:40:24 please report :-) Sep 30 11:40:40 yes that s an issue to not being able to pause and suspend (at least it fails with this BUG message from the kernel with gstreamer) Sep 30 11:41:39 resume from playback is not a big issue Sep 30 11:42:23 one could pause at suspend and play at resume and the user would not notice if one ever wanted to support it Sep 30 11:42:54 but why should sound players care about suspend, the audio driver should do everything to disable things and reenable things on resume Sep 30 11:48:25 andi: alas that's not the way it works afaik Sep 30 11:50:28 andi: probably it's impossible for audiodriver to take care to stop all the timers possibly involved in audio buffer playback handling. So suspending a DA or AD stream isn't feasible Sep 30 11:52:43 andi: also I2S for instance interleaves left/right samples. How could audiodriver possibly stop an audiostream and after resume and initialization of codec chip start the stream in the right "position"? Sep 30 11:53:31 that's all very non-trivial it seems to me Sep 30 11:54:40 the audio driver can stop do these things obviously when the device is closed Sep 30 11:55:30 is being closed Sep 30 11:56:43 andi: that's exactly option a) I mentioned above Sep 30 11:59:12 the driver can do the same action to the hardware on suspend as when the userspace application closes the audio device Sep 30 12:00:01 andi: it was you yesterday talking about the neo charging while bicycling? Sep 30 12:00:08 yes Sep 30 12:00:30 andi: Im interested in your setup, please post a message, when you put online your setup with pictures Sep 30 12:00:41 andi: no it can't. App wouldn't get to know about audiodev actually been closed, so how could app restart it then? Sep 30 12:00:42 (post a message to the community mailing list) Sep 30 12:01:36 khiraly_mc: for a first view: http://misc.andi.de1.cc/andisleben.jpg Sep 30 12:02:17 andi: if app doesn't restart the audio, how could alsadriver do the correct init then, after resume Sep 30 12:03:27 save the settings (like other drivers also do) and init the hw based on the saved settings again Sep 30 12:03:45 I have an electric bike, and I could use the first wheel as generator... I cant charge back to the batteries, as they are lead-acid. But I could easily charge the freerunner.... Sep 30 12:03:49 I think/hope os Sep 30 12:03:50 so Sep 30 12:03:51 andi: nota bene "restart audio" isn't just "continue DMA". It may involve arbitrary mixer setups etc as well Sep 30 12:05:19 andi: there's simply no way to do that transparent to the app Sep 30 12:06:21 andi: I can hardly see anything on that photo Sep 30 12:06:35 I'll make better ones Sep 30 12:06:49 search them Sep 30 12:06:57 andi: also make photos from each components. Preferrably in macro mode Sep 30 12:07:34 btw, do you have an idea how can I implement (in application) to beep *loudly* fast on freerunner? Sep 30 12:08:07 if you ever paraglided, you know what I mean. There is a device, which notice you about vertical acceleration/speed. Sep 30 12:08:25 So you know, if you are lifting or lowering without looking at the device Sep 30 12:08:29 khiraly_mc: set up stereoout.state, ramp up volume, playback beep Sep 30 12:08:31 but it needs to be really *loud* Sep 30 12:08:46 like beep.wav? Sep 30 12:08:59 so can I playback arbitrary sound as beep? Sep 30 12:09:05 yep Sep 30 12:09:12 is there any latency? Sep 30 12:09:18 sure Sep 30 12:09:31 setup takes time Sep 30 12:09:34 so if I need to beep 10 times per second, is it doable? Sep 30 12:09:43 after setup latency will be low Sep 30 12:09:51 khiraly_mc: You can also try to generate a tone with sox Sep 30 12:09:59 sox? Sep 30 12:10:01 hmm Sep 30 12:10:14 Defiant-: will add latency for nothing Sep 30 12:10:41 khiraly_mc: you could use sox to normalize .wav to max volume Sep 30 12:11:02 Defiant-: do you mean, be pregenerating .wav file like: 1beep_per_second.wav, 2beep_per_second.wav, etc ? Sep 30 12:11:31 khiraly_mc: that's what I would suggest at least Sep 30 12:11:46 it has a latency, when I need to change between them. So I want to be really responsible Sep 30 12:11:51 as it is very crucial Sep 30 12:12:58 khiraly_mc: then playback a continuous beep, and simply switch on and off amp. that will probably the socond fastest way Sep 30 12:13:25 you know, when you flying, you can travel a turbulance less then 2-3 sec. So when you paraglide, and you want to lift, you want to find the middle of the turbulance. And finding the middle is only possible using this beeping device Sep 30 12:13:26 generating square wave on the fly should also be an option Sep 30 12:13:57 fastest way being to generate the audio from an algorithm rather than playback a file Sep 30 12:14:13 andi: :-) Sep 30 12:14:34 and what is the most loud waveform? Sep 30 12:14:40 DocScrutinizer-8: but then whats the point against sox? Sep 30 12:14:57 Defiant-: control Sep 30 12:15:02 Defiant-: its a convertor tool, no? (mp3->wav, ogg->wav) Sep 30 12:15:20 sox is probably meant to output nice sound Sep 30 12:15:33 so if I understand you guy correctly Sep 30 12:15:41 so perhaps you have some math in between Sep 30 12:15:41 khiraly_mc: don't think sox can do mp3, but I usually use sux to create sin tones Sep 30 12:15:44 or buffering Sep 30 12:15:48 Defiant-: you can't change what sox generates, on the fly Sep 30 12:16:01 khiraly_mc: why do you want loud waveform? Sep 30 12:16:03 (on the Fly - lol) Sep 30 12:16:04 khiraly_mc: ringtone? Sep 30 12:16:12 the fastest solution: output a waveform directly to the audio device Sep 30 12:16:36 sin tone=math or table lookup, rectanlge is easier Sep 30 12:16:45 khiraly_mc: that's exactly what I said Sep 30 12:16:50 2. best: playing a beeping .wav continously, and swqtiching the amp on and off Sep 30 12:16:56 3. best: having pregenerated bipping, and switching between them Sep 30 12:17:15 khiraly_mc: yep Sep 30 12:17:45 lindi-: I want to hear it in wind, when the device is in the pocket Sep 30 12:17:46 iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ uses sox to maximize volume Sep 30 12:17:47 khiraly_mc: loudest probably is a sawtooth Sep 30 12:17:54 lindi-: I try to look for this vertical speed measuring device in english Sep 30 12:18:28 ahh, its called variometer Sep 30 12:19:01 http://www.paragliding-tales-and-reviews.com/paragliding-variometer.html Sep 30 12:19:04 lindi-: ^^ Sep 30 12:19:15 I can implement the same functionality using the freerunner Sep 30 12:19:35 a variometer costs about 300 EUR Sep 30 12:20:05 and having an accelerometer (and a gps) can replace it, I think Sep 30 12:20:14 also it could be fun while biking too. It can you feedback the speed;)) Sep 30 12:20:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variometer Sep 30 12:21:31 khiraly_mc: gmeter isn't as exact (sensitive) as you want for thermic detection Sep 30 12:22:05 gps also isn't afaik Sep 30 12:22:11 khiraly_mc: perhaps a barometer Sep 30 12:22:16 yep Sep 30 12:22:19 usual way Sep 30 12:22:21 gps is nice for altitude feedback, its mostly accurate Sep 30 12:22:34 In modern gliders, most electronic variometers generate a sound whose pitch and rhythm depends on the instrument reading. Typically the audio tone increases in frequency as the variometer shows a higher rate of climb and decreases in frequency towards a deep groan as the variometer shows a faster rate of descent. Sep 30 12:22:55 khiraly_mc: mostly accurate? really? i thought it could easily be 30 meters off Sep 30 12:23:16 yep, but climb/decent is detected barometrically Sep 30 12:23:35 lindi-: yup Sep 30 12:23:38 lindi-: :) yeah for landing its not the best if you do not see the earth at all;) Sep 30 12:24:31 I thought an accelerometer can be used for it Sep 30 12:24:45 how? Sep 30 12:24:46 vertical accelerating Sep 30 12:25:28 lindi-: dunno. I wanted to write a proof-of-concept application for it. If its accurate enough Sep 30 12:26:43 khiraly_mc: you should test that by *carefully and most gently* moving FR up and down 1m every 2 sec and watch the gmeter readout after that Sep 30 12:27:25 aham... Sep 30 12:28:05 you think it will be mostly constant readout. Or under the error rate of readout Sep 30 12:28:08 hmm Sep 30 12:28:52 I think the acceleration is below gmeters resolution to get a decent result Sep 30 12:29:08 but that's a rather uneducated guess Sep 30 12:29:15 just test it Sep 30 12:29:28 or do lengthy calculations ;-) Sep 30 12:32:59 doing "lengthy guesswork" I get it a g/10 (~1m/sq-sec) is maybe just enough for your app. And gmeter should be capable to sense that Sep 30 12:33:00 on wikipedia they suggest also barometer. measure directly the static pressure of athmosphere ... Sep 30 12:33:16 i know Sep 30 12:33:29 that's why I've been sceptic Sep 30 12:34:01 but that's for absolute climbrate Sep 30 12:34:27 for detecting thermic a gmeter might be just good enough Sep 30 12:35:22 as you're mostly interested in *change* of climbrate for that Sep 30 12:36:18 you should be also interested if you are lowering, staying on the same altitude or lifting Sep 30 12:36:23 its not that obvious Sep 30 12:36:42 for that you might use gps Sep 30 12:36:46 maybe Sep 30 12:37:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * rf39f66e9667b 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: properly configure +FCLASS command Sep 30 12:37:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * recccd96c559e 10/modems/ti_calypso.xml: ti_calypso.xml: add microphone muting and loudspeaker support (CMUT/CLVL) Sep 30 12:37:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * ra9b4116bc8c7 10/modems/ (generic.xml neo1973.xml ti_calypso.xml): remove neo1973.xml; create generic.xml from ti_calypso.xml and remove all Calypso-specific commands Sep 30 12:37:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r27c3d80a3f0c 10/modems/generic.xml: generic.xml: don't add IMEI: prefix for +CGSN, this is unlikely Sep 30 12:38:10 but gmeter may tell you "here the climb ( /decent) is +0.5m / sec better than half a second before" Sep 30 12:38:57 mickey|vacation: what's up??? can't you enjoy your holiday? ;-P Sep 30 12:40:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbcca20bd2425 10/fsogsmd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: simplify simple (sic!) AT command classes by deriving from SimpleAtCommand Sep 30 12:40:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra25522d2b9f2 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: catch up with libgee HashMap changes; bump vala requirement Sep 30 12:40:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc87a8f6fcdca 10/fsousaged/ (configure.ac src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: catch up with libgee master; bump vala version requirement Sep 30 12:40:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re90cbc8ebdfc 10/fsonetworkd/configure.ac: fsonetworkd: bump vala version requirement Sep 30 12:40:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2c3d130609a4 10/fsotimed/ (configure.ac src/plugins/alarm/plugin.vala): fsotimed: catch up with libgee master; bump vala version requirement Sep 30 12:40:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re75d2a8d2675 10/fsogsmd/configure.ac: fsogsmd: bump vala version requirement due to async dbus fixes in 0.7.7 Sep 30 12:40:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r286c15a1501f 10/fsogsmd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: base PlusCFUN on SimpleAtCommand Sep 30 12:40:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r46d85b581ca7 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: create generic issue implementation for SimpleAtCommand Sep 30 12:40:34 re Sep 30 12:40:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5381c7b7e4ff 10/fsogsmd/ (src/lib/atcommands.vala tests/testatcommand.vala): fsogsmd: substitute PlusCGCLASS with SimpleAtCommand Sep 30 12:40:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re36f1b6fd337 10/fsogsmd/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: spice up SimpleAtCommand class to feature test commands (=?) Sep 30 12:40:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r04ccf9865fd2 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala mediators.vala): fsogsmd: add +CMICKEY command to prepare for sane error handling Sep 30 12:40:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r20c875480c41 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala mediator.vala mediators.vala): fsogsmd: prepare for At command classes parsing responses as a whole Sep 30 12:40:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r30535648fa79 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: remove generated vapi file; logger is now a public attribute Sep 30 12:40:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7fc165e322a4 10/libfsobasics/ (configure.ac fsobasics/fsobasics-2.0.vapi): libfsobasics: remove generated vapi file Sep 30 12:40:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbfd67223698f 10/libfsotransport/ (configure.ac fsotransport/fsotransport-2.0.vapi): libfsotransport: remove generated vapi file Sep 30 12:41:01 ok, the first thing what I need to implement is the beeping/pitching Sep 30 12:41:14 there are other uses too Sep 30 12:41:23 mickey_away: AT+CMICKEY?? lol! Sep 30 12:41:34 :D Sep 30 12:41:49 Im also thinking of implementing it in my GPS app. When approaching a cross, it beeps faster and faster Sep 30 12:41:50 ;) Sep 30 12:41:53 without talking Sep 30 12:54:15 mickey|vacation: what's the right parameter to AT+CMICKEY to set you to enjoy-vacation mode? ;-D Sep 30 12:55:33 AT+CMICKEY FUN 100 Sep 30 12:55:49 AT+CMICKEY = "Get out of the WiFi lobby, back to the pool" Sep 30 12:56:13 i'm enjoying it actually, but i also enjoy my 1h hacking break per day ;) Sep 30 12:56:33 ok then :-)) Sep 30 12:57:31 mickey|vacation: where are you actually? Sep 30 12:57:55 country wise Sep 30 12:59:03 Canarian Islands, Spain Sep 30 12:59:07 form "pool" I deduce it's warm where you are Sep 30 12:59:14 ohh, nice Sep 30 12:59:23 warm indeed, min.21, max.28 Sep 30 13:01:29 though pool as well could be an indoor SPA in greenland ;-) Sep 30 13:01:43 hehe, right Sep 30 13:06:48 hmm Sep 30 13:07:37 mickey|vacation: where would I add parameters to pppd invocation for GPRS? Sep 30 13:09:17 DocScrutinizer-8: subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/modem.py Sep 30 13:09:34 K, THANKS .-) Sep 30 13:09:35 there's Sep 30 13:09:36 self._data["pppd-configuration"] = [ \ Sep 30 13:09:40 and then the options come Sep 30 13:09:44 oops capslock Sep 30 13:09:57 will make this overridable/customizable in fsogsmd Sep 30 13:11:39 mickey|vacation: I like to investigate if there's a way to detect O2s forced disconnect after 24h. So I like to add a "record dumpfile" parameter Sep 30 13:12:08 i see, sounds good Sep 30 13:12:11 let's see if that will eat the CPU Sep 30 13:13:21 mickey_away: I seem to recall a tcpdump log didn't leave me any wiser Sep 30 13:13:57 but very likely I'm interested in non-tcp msgs Sep 30 13:15:21 DocScrutinizer-8: sorry if it sounds a stupid question but if it's a disconnect, did you try with a script in ip-down.d ? Sep 30 13:15:56 I didn't try anything yet, beyond that tcpdump Sep 30 13:16:34 and it's no real disconnect it seems Sep 30 13:16:51 the interface is still up ? :( Sep 30 13:17:00 at least GPRS is shown as "connected" but stalls Sep 30 13:17:05 yep Sep 30 13:17:40 ok so it wont't work. ip-down.d stuff is called when iface goes gown :/ Sep 30 13:18:24 that's why I want to analyze raw data, to find a signal that tells me Sep 30 13:18:27 there's a hackish solution. add a daemon which "ping -c" the ppp gateway. if it stalls, ping will fail :) Sep 30 13:18:59 I already thought about that. Don't like it though Sep 30 13:19:19 as it won't really work during suspend ;-) Sep 30 13:19:56 well, I would expect that the ppp link goes down after a suspend/resume Sep 30 13:20:29 well, if there is no msg (which would wake FR from suspend anyway), then my approach will fail as well ;-P Sep 30 13:20:47 (goes down) no it doesn't Sep 30 13:21:17 in fact any inbound packet wakes from suspend Sep 30 13:21:44 works flawlessly with e.g. IRC Sep 30 13:21:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r327f69eb853a 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): all: require libgee 0.5.0 Sep 30 13:21:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdb19789af978 10/fsogsmd/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: use validate function, instead of parsing directly Sep 30 13:24:16 hmm... there may be an other solution. You can force the disconnect at convenient time to prevent this stall :) Sep 30 13:25:34 ppp also has an internal keepalive mechanism that can detect failures Sep 30 13:26:14 rtp: baruch: both known and on the investigation-list :-) Sep 30 13:26:37 mickey_away: Which isle are you on? Sep 30 13:26:45 ChristW: FUE Sep 30 13:26:59 Fuerteventura, that is Sep 30 13:27:20 mickey|vacation: I've been to La Palma myself (I parsed that as Fuertaventura after some thought). Sep 30 13:27:38 cya, need to do nasty city admin office visit and paperwork :-/ Sep 30 13:27:52 ChristW: this and tenerife are the only canarians i didn't visit yet Sep 30 13:28:28 We went swimming the the Atlantic in November. That was nice, I wouldn't have done that 'at home' for any money... (The Netherlands. Ok, technically 'The North Sea', but still cold). Sep 30 13:28:36 s/the the/in the/ Sep 30 13:28:37 ChristW meant: We went swimming in the Atlantic in November. That was nice, I wouldn't have done that 'at home' for any money... (The Netherlands. Ok, technically 'The North Sea', but still cold). Sep 30 13:29:08 baruch: iirc, the keepalive mechanism doesn't work that well. Having a daemon with ping was working better but I hope it's fixed now. it was several years ago :) Sep 30 13:53:45 I've just tried to make one small step towards working bluetooth support. I got a usb bluetooth dongle and tried to use it on both my laptop and my FR with that SE phone to use it as HID mouse and keyboard. Laptop works, FR doesn't. Laptop's .25 kernel, my FR is .29. bluez version is 4.28 on laptop, 4.31 on FR. Damn. Sep 30 13:55:09 What other tests can you suggest? Sep 30 13:57:16 The problem is that with FR the HID connection ends _immediately_, even before i'm able to confirm establishing and choose the mode on phone while with laptop it works flawlessly. Sep 30 13:58:56 I wish i could make Holtmann appear near me. Sep 30 14:01:51 PaulFertser: :-S Sep 30 14:02:27 endianess or sth nasty like that? Sep 30 14:02:33 Cya for now! Sep 30 14:02:49 mickey|vacation: Enjoy your vacation! Sep 30 14:02:55 thanks Sep 30 14:02:59 DocScrutinizer-8: i suspect that but have no proof. But everything seems to be roughly the same, as i outlined. Sep 30 14:03:01 my time is up also Sep 30 14:03:05 see you next time Sep 30 14:03:07 :-( Sep 30 14:03:07 mickey|vacation: hey :D Sep 30 14:03:13 hi and bye paul! Sep 30 14:03:21 mickey|vacation: have a good time there :) Sep 30 14:03:23 mickey|vacation: cya :-) Sep 30 14:03:26 thanks, cu Sep 30 14:05:15 PaulFertser: well, there's few diffs left Sep 30 14:05:47 usb1.1 vs 2.0 (I assume) Arm vs X86 Sep 30 14:05:58 DocScrutinizer-8: yep Sep 30 14:06:03 DocScrutinizer-8: nasty stuff :-/ Sep 30 14:06:11 FSCK Sep 30 14:06:34 DocScrutinizer-8: i think i should take a chance to gather hcidumps on both devices because i don't own that SE cellphone. Sep 30 14:06:50 sure Sep 30 14:08:11 * DocScrutinizer-8 roaming (->brunch) Sep 30 14:44:04 moin Sep 30 14:48:25 I have a new app I'd like to see in SHR feeds, where should I go with the bb recipe (provided it's correct)? Sep 30 14:48:47 Tanuva: send it to the shr mailing list. Sep 30 14:49:22 PaulFertser: okay, thanks :) Sep 30 14:49:34 Tanuva: test it first Sep 30 14:50:19 Tanuva: And then send it like discribed in step 4: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed Sep 30 14:51:44 Heinervdm: I have no bitbake/distro devel thingy here, can I test it somehow else? Sep 30 14:51:59 Tanuva: no Sep 30 14:53:26 could someone tell me something about the sync-problem? and how long does i must wait for some updates? Sep 30 14:53:51 (sync betwen the developers and the build-server from shr) Sep 30 14:54:42 skamster_: there is no sync problem ;) But currently a sync will break to much Sep 30 14:55:18 and why? Sep 30 14:55:28 skamster_: in the developement tree is Xorg and new EFL version Sep 30 14:55:50 ah, ok Sep 30 14:56:09 and how long would this procedure have? Sep 30 14:56:29 There are some buildproblems now Sep 30 14:57:01 after this problems are solved and a new working unstable image is built, the feeds are synced Sep 30 14:57:23 and what do you think, when is this? Sep 30 14:57:47 i'm realy update-hungry :) Sep 30 14:58:07 currently there is the problem that freedesktop.org is down, and that causes a parsing error in bitbake Sep 30 14:58:37 so we can't build anything till the server is back running Sep 30 14:59:34 and after that the buildhost have to build the whole feed, that needs about 20 hours if it builds without problems Sep 30 15:00:56 ok, i see.. Sep 30 15:01:14 i just was asking me, if the shr-project is still death Sep 30 15:01:33 but it's good when it isn't Sep 30 15:01:34 :D Sep 30 15:01:51 it's everthing else then dead, there was a lot of development in the last 2 weeks :) Sep 30 15:03:40 Heinervdm: what does "make setup" with the shr makefile actually do? setup a minimal build env? Sep 30 15:05:10 Tanuva: it will create the directory structure and download all reciepes Sep 30 15:07:10 Tanuva: if it's to much for you, then send it untested Sep 30 15:08:41 Heinervdm: nono, it's currently doing that. I first thought I need to build a whole shr image from source, this is no problem :) Sep 30 15:09:43 Tanuva: no, it will just build all thing you've put in DEPENDS and all the depencies of these when you do bitbake yourrecipe Sep 30 15:10:23 Tanuva: but make setup will download a lot of stuff ;) Sep 30 15:11:13 yep, building only nessecary things is okay. debugging a recipe on your build servers would be time consuming... *g* Sep 30 15:13:26 Tanuva: was it you, how proposed to me compressing paroli remote repository? Sep 30 15:13:33 cant find the exact command Sep 30 15:13:45 nope, I haven't been here for quite some time Sep 30 15:13:55 it was some time ago, like 2 months Sep 30 15:14:55 but not my idea... just getting into neo-specific stuff now that my program runs smooth on the desktop Sep 30 15:17:50 are other people having problems building because anongit.freedesktop.org ain't responding? Sep 30 15:19:02 Arigead: yes, their power supply had problems Sep 30 15:19:12 they are rebuilding the servers Sep 30 15:20:41 Heinervdm: Thank you Thought I'd more local issues Sep 30 15:21:51 Arigead: It's down since 21 UTC yesterday Sep 30 15:28:18 Heinervdm: Just out of interest when one is build for the gumstix it only downloads from Repositories the first time you build and stores all the tar.gz files or whatever in a local cache. Be nice if that could be done for the shr build. Just a thought though ;-) Sep 30 15:28:52 Obviously won't work for a moving target like shr ;-) Sep 30 15:29:11 Arigead: it's doing this for shr too, but bitbake want's to check for new revision Sep 30 15:29:21 because of AUTOREV Sep 30 15:36:32 is my "remote end hung up unexpectedly" on "preparing shr-unstable tree" also caused by your build problems? http://pastebin.ca/1586173 Sep 30 15:37:14 Tanuva: just retry Sep 30 15:38:37 oh. okay, 5th time worked. :) Sep 30 15:45:37 mrmoku|away, !!! Sep 30 15:45:42 give me xorg and new EFL! :) Sep 30 15:49:25 dos1, ! Sep 30 15:49:30 dos1, gimme correct sorting in opimd! :) Sep 30 15:49:55 TAsn: aren't you too stupid consumer-like? Sep 30 15:49:59 "gimme that! i want that!" Sep 30 15:50:11 ;) Sep 30 15:50:11 nah. Sep 30 15:50:18 you can't be too much of a jerk nowdays. Sep 30 15:50:20 do it yourself you lazy ass! Sep 30 15:50:37 * TAsn doesn't know python (lie) Sep 30 15:50:44 (not that i'm less lazy than you ;)) Sep 30 15:50:47 as i did almost nothing those weeks ;x Sep 30 15:51:07 TAsn: so pyphonelog is bastard, not your child? :d Sep 30 15:51:27 dos1, I don't know the slow piece of software you are referring to Sep 30 15:51:30 I only know C. Sep 30 15:51:34 ;D Sep 30 15:51:35 :| Sep 30 15:51:50 :) Sep 30 15:52:02 so how do you know it's slow? Sep 30 15:52:04 ;) Sep 30 15:52:17 I'm a pyphonelog user. Sep 30 15:52:30 not dev. Sep 30 15:53:32 ;) Sep 30 15:53:42 Ok, I admit it, I'm responsible to pyphonelog :) Sep 30 15:53:47 dos1, btw Sep 30 15:54:19 I really think we should consider optimizing opimd Sep 30 15:54:21 (you should) Sep 30 15:54:28 as pyphonelog takes ages to load. Sep 30 15:54:28 :| Sep 30 15:55:12 ok, my connection will probably die in a sec. but it doesn't mean you shouldn't answer me when I come back. Sep 30 15:55:13 brb Sep 30 15:57:55 * jlmoko_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Sep 30 15:57:58 ok dos Sep 30 15:57:58 I demand an answer! Sep 30 15:59:52 TAsnn: rewrity pyhonelog in vaphonelog :P Sep 30 16:04:08 there is Sep 30 16:04:09 elmphonelog Sep 30 16:04:42 Heinervdm, HECK NO! Sep 30 16:04:49 I'm against vala. Sep 30 16:04:53