**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 25 02:59:56 2009 Oct 25 05:40:28 hi Oct 25 05:41:07 if I have bigger icons the icons doesn't fill in the screen Oct 25 05:41:17 so I have to slide but it doesn't work well Oct 25 05:41:21 (shr-unstable) Oct 25 05:41:34 so is there a way to have a better slider? Oct 25 05:56:47 Gnutoo: better hardware? Oct 25 05:56:56 ?(not work well == is jerky/slow?) Oct 25 06:15:36 how come fso-abyss is not set up as a dependency anywhere? Oct 25 06:16:04 i get a failed shr-lite-image unless I manually bitbake fso-abyss with: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-shr-minimal-apps: * fso-abyss * fso-abyss * Oct 25 06:18:08 DocScrutinizer: hm, looks like when the pcf50606 is in STANDBY, its adc is disabled so it doesn't monitor battery temperature and charge it like it's always ok. Oct 25 06:18:46 hmm, manually bitbaking doesn't work either, anyone know how to fix that error? (* ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-shr-minimal-apps: * fso-abyss * fso-abyss *) Oct 25 06:23:34 raster, not work well means work 1/10 of the time or something like this Oct 25 06:23:53 moreover sometimes it launch an icon Oct 25 06:25:25 what do u mean "not work" Oct 25 06:26:14 u eman u press and drag and nothing scrolls? Oct 25 06:26:14 doesn't works means doesn't slide Oct 25 06:26:18 stay where it is Oct 25 06:26:20 try your fingernail Oct 25 06:26:21 indeed Oct 25 06:26:25 or a stylus Oct 25 06:26:29 and keep rpessure down Oct 25 06:26:32 same Oct 25 06:26:33 the ts screen isnt sensitive Oct 25 06:26:49 hardware : freerunner Oct 25 06:26:49 u will find that the mouse is being pressed and released often over your motion Oct 25 06:27:03 same with high pressure Oct 25 06:27:19 u need a sharp point to keep pressure well Oct 25 06:27:26 try a stylus Oct 25 06:27:28 should I put pressure sensivity high or low? Oct 25 06:27:33 same with a stylus Oct 25 06:27:37 mind u e's figner scrolling isnt as well tuned as elementary's Oct 25 06:27:53 s/pressure/drag Oct 25 06:28:50 high seem better Oct 25 06:28:52 thanks Oct 25 06:28:55 do lists and scrollable items in elementary using apps work well? Oct 25 06:29:22 works 2/3 Oct 25 06:29:32 sliders work well Oct 25 06:29:42 i'll look for lists Oct 25 06:29:43 again - try with stylus Oct 25 06:29:47 so the mouse stays down Oct 25 06:29:54 it works perfectly if the mouse isnt released Oct 25 06:30:08 thats more a device input issue Oct 25 06:30:20 works fine with stylus Oct 25 06:30:22 ok Oct 25 06:30:27 sure - i could start filtering input device events and guessing a mosue up followed by a mosue down is just a dlitch and not intended Oct 25 06:30:28 touchscreen filters? Oct 25 06:30:39 but somehow i think thats not good as then every app/toolkit does its own filtering Oct 25 06:30:51 imho this is something to be down in the driver/lower x layers Oct 25 06:30:52 ouch ok Oct 25 06:31:03 to ensure input events passed to aspp represent the real actions of the user Oct 25 06:31:13 if the wh isnt good - then the driver may try to make up for it Oct 25 06:31:23 capacitive screens dont have this problem Oct 25 06:31:26 they are really sensitive Oct 25 06:31:44 thus why i am not into the idea of filtering higher up as.. this varies from device to device Oct 25 06:31:54 a real mosue used by a human on a desktop also doesnt have the problem Oct 25 06:31:55 ok Oct 25 06:40:25 * md2k7 is reading up on SRCREV issues Oct 25 06:41:28 and I don't get why not just use TAGS. I think that tags were intended to do things you are doing with hashes?! Oct 25 06:42:34 for git? Oct 25 06:42:49 for git stuff in OE Oct 25 06:42:59 well not all commits have a tag given Oct 25 06:43:08 its just a commit revision and has a hash Oct 25 06:43:12 must like svn Oct 25 06:43:22 raster: why just not build them then? Oct 25 06:43:30 its just a number in svn that is monotonically increasing for each commit Oct 25 06:43:47 for git itsa a hash vs a number in svn Oct 25 06:43:53 (well both are numebrs - but u get my drift) Oct 25 06:43:56 raster: people would just need to tag their stuff to get it to compile in the new version Oct 25 06:43:58 build tags? Oct 25 06:44:07 u cant control the tags of another projects git repo Oct 25 06:44:16 sur Oct 25 06:44:18 -.- Oct 25 06:44:19 ethey need tO TAG it Oct 25 06:44:20 need Oct 25 06:44:33 raster: now that's a point. :-/ Oct 25 06:44:34 u are going to get dozens of projects to go tagging things just for your oe project? Oct 25 06:44:45 then debina asks Oct 25 06:44:47 then ubuntu Oct 25 06:44:48 the fedora Oct 25 06:45:05 then... the listy goes on as 3321 projects ask u to put specific tags in for their build systems Oct 25 06:45:10 not going to happen Oct 25 06:45:26 if u are building from source repos - choose a srvrev or git rev hash Oct 25 06:45:28 and then build that\ Oct 25 06:45:45 at least your target doesnt change as long as the servers dont go down or wierd stuff happens Oct 25 06:45:54 otherwise use release tarballs Oct 25 06:46:04 for efl we do snapshot release tarbalsl as well as blessed svnrevs Oct 25 06:46:21 ie if u check out svnrev 34325 u will get the same src and snapshot 0.4.1.062 Oct 25 06:46:23 or somthing Oct 25 06:46:27 announced in news Oct 25 06:46:35 so u can choose- tarballs or svn revs - its the same Oct 25 06:47:11 we could tag svn Oct 25 06:47:19 but we just give u the svnrev # anyway Oct 25 07:00:43 as often as we update, projects couldn't keep up ith tagging anyway Oct 25 07:00:49 ;-) Oct 25 07:01:21 happy wintertime, fellow europeans Oct 25 07:02:02 thanks spaetz, it's a pain getting up earlier, but, oh well.. :P Oct 25 07:03:30 rebelThor: why earlier?? Oct 25 07:03:43 rebelThor: one spare hour to sleep! Oct 25 07:04:00 md2k7: hmm, then I got it all wrong then? lol Oct 25 07:04:10 right, 1h more sleep! Oct 25 07:04:33 oh, yeah, just figured it out.. /me is a bit dumb today Oct 25 07:06:00 I'm still getting this: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'EnumValue' objects while evaluating: ${@bb.fetch.get_srcrev(d)} Oct 25 07:06:24 interesting though, that I put a 'print' in bb.fetch.get_srcrev, and it doesn't print anything Oct 25 07:10:08 hmm, well, it is called, but it doesn't get to return Oct 25 08:53:38 JaMa: any luck with your image yet? Oct 25 08:54:19 mrmoku: good morning Oct 25 08:54:26 mrmoku: i'm still having SRCREV issues Oct 25 08:54:26 md2k7: morning Oct 25 08:54:33 md2k7: with unstable? Oct 25 08:54:37 yet Oct 25 08:54:42 s/yet/yep/ Oct 25 08:54:42 md2k7 meant: yep Oct 25 08:54:50 mrmoku: ${AUTOREV} seems to resolve to '1' sometimes Oct 25 08:55:00 md2k7: check conf/local.conf Oct 25 08:55:11 do you have shr-autorev-unstable.inc enabled in there? Oct 25 08:55:54 mrmoku: nope, will try Oct 25 08:56:09 md2k7: that explains it Oct 25 08:56:24 mrmoku: it isn't in it by default, and it isn't explained anywhere... Oct 25 08:56:38 but if it works now, i will put it on the shr wiki Oct 25 08:57:00 md2k7: well... it is almost obsolete :P Oct 25 08:57:04 so don't put it thre Oct 25 08:57:09 s/thre/there/ Oct 25 08:57:14 mrmoku meant: so don't put it there Oct 25 08:57:21 mrmoku: so what then, make everyone new trying to build shr suffer? Oct 25 08:57:29 as soon as we switch to build from shr/merge you don't need that Oct 25 08:57:43 mrmoku: i didn't get that Oct 25 08:57:49 mrmoku: switch to what? Oct 25 08:57:59 md2k7: and... I think that the Makefile should setup all correctly Oct 25 08:58:02 (by default) Oct 25 08:58:03 mrmoku i fail to compile fsobasics and fsotransport Oct 25 08:58:09 mrmoku: nope, the Makefile doesn't Oct 25 08:58:14 mrmoku: (or didn't yesterday) Oct 25 08:58:48 md2k7: ahh... yes Oct 25 08:58:57 maybe I removed that too early :| Oct 25 08:59:03 admiral0: why that? Oct 25 08:59:14 admiral0: you need new vala for that Oct 25 08:59:53 * rebelThor does the evil laugh... *finally* managed to build the shr/merge image.. now that was an adventure :D Oct 25 09:00:15 rebelThor: well... don't laugh too early ;) Oct 25 09:00:24 * mrmoku too managed to build it... but not to boot it ;) Oct 25 09:00:24 mrmoku: why is that? :D Oct 25 09:00:36 ah, damn, i'm flashing it now Oct 25 09:00:41 the merge strikes back :P Oct 25 09:00:44 what on earth is shr/merge? Oct 25 09:01:05 md2k7: shr/merge is our effort to merge our stuff into org.oe.dev Oct 25 09:01:16 the main development branch of OE Oct 25 09:01:32 mhm Oct 25 09:01:48 md2k7: so we started the shr/merge branch based on oe.dev and are trying to build from it Oct 25 09:01:54 (not yet very successfull :| ) Oct 25 09:02:24 mrmoku my bad Oct 25 09:02:36 XD used vala-native 0.7.5 Oct 25 09:02:40 uhh :) Oct 25 09:03:25 mrmoku: no :(, maybe there is something wrong with oabi/eabi :(, probably init isn't run when kernel boots... Oct 25 09:03:54 JaMa: yes, that looks like what I'm seeing too Oct 25 09:04:02 it just hangs there Oct 25 09:04:04 doing nothing Oct 25 09:04:16 mrmoku: I didn't tried much (just few kernels and backtrace from chroot didn't show anything usefull), so I waited for someone to try his image... Oct 25 09:04:33 JaMa: can confirm that Oct 25 09:04:37 ah :( Oct 25 09:04:49 any idea how to check if binary has oabi or eabi? Oct 25 09:05:00 hmm... no Oct 25 09:05:16 I added INHERIT += "testlab" to my local.conf Oct 25 09:05:25 to see what packages are included Oct 25 09:06:07 hmm objdump -x can show it.. Oct 25 09:07:16 or readelf -h | grep Flags Oct 25 09:09:40 Flags: 0x5000002, has entry point, Version5 EABI Oct 25 09:10:42 mrmoku: did you start build before this patch? http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/364/ Oct 25 09:11:09 mrmoku: I had whole virtual/kernel and lots of packages from shr-lite-image... Oct 25 09:11:27 JaMa: hmmm.. I started it before IIRC... and applied it in between after some failer Oct 25 09:11:32 s/failer/failure/ Oct 25 09:11:32 mrmoku meant: JaMa: hmmm.. I started it before IIRC... and applied it in between after some failure Oct 25 09:12:26 brb Oct 25 09:22:31 man, flashing the jffs2 image takes forever Oct 25 09:29:01 well, that sucks :D doesn't boot for me either Oct 25 09:29:42 anything I can do or test? Oct 25 09:31:28 I booted of an older uboot, and got "INIT: versopn 2.86 booting \n INIT: PANIC: segmentation violation! sleeping for 30 seconds. Oct 25 09:31:40 s/versopn/version Oct 25 09:32:10 rebelThor: well that is interesting Oct 25 09:32:29 JaMa: ^^^ Oct 25 09:32:30 mrmoku: I keep getting that message displayed, probably every 30 seconds :D Oct 25 09:36:39 hmm interesting.. maybe something usable for google search.. but I have to go now.. gf is waitin... Oct 25 09:41:53 mrmoku error in libfsotransport Oct 25 09:42:20 tests/testcommandqueue.c fails to compile Oct 25 09:43:54 * md2k7 can't stop wondering Oct 25 09:44:04 $ cd .. chdir: error retrieving current directory Oct 25 09:44:18 moko@david-laptop:..$ pwd -> .. Oct 25 09:44:26 moko@david-laptop:..$ cd .. Oct 25 09:44:32 moko@david-laptop:../..$ cd .. Oct 25 09:44:39 o.O Oct 25 09:45:43 huh? Oct 25 09:46:02 just typed cd .., which led to the error message above Oct 25 09:46:05 and to the condition above Oct 25 09:46:29 * rebelThor thinks of the twilight zone theme song Oct 25 09:47:01 md2k7: you were inside a directory that vanished... Oct 25 09:47:30 mrmoku: aaaaah. Oct 25 09:47:44 but that usually looks different on my machine Oct 25 09:48:00 whatever. Oct 25 09:49:58 mrmoku how to compile package without tests? Oct 25 09:50:15 libfsotransport tests don't build Oct 25 09:53:04 mrmoku: i still get some 'cannot concatenate' crap, but only with themes Oct 25 09:54:49 mrmoku: okay, they are not in the autorev Oct 25 09:54:57 mrmoku: i will enter them and try again Oct 25 09:56:46 admiral0: you have to update... hmm what was it Oct 25 09:57:04 admiral0: what vala version do you have now? Oct 25 09:57:15 0.7.7 Oct 25 09:57:40 admiral0: http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/vala-0.7.7+fso5.tar.bz2 Oct 25 09:57:50 admiral0: fear you need that one Oct 25 09:58:35 what's the difference with normal vala? Oct 25 09:58:51 it has some additional stuff Oct 25 09:58:54 i have misc-vapi that is vala-misc-git ;) Oct 25 09:59:02 ok Oct 25 10:15:52 thanks mrmoku Oct 25 10:16:18 compiled vala-fso and vala-fso-native :D Oct 25 10:20:39 mrmoku same fail Oct 25 10:21:34 pacman -Qsq vala |xargs Oct 25 10:21:36 vala-fso vala-fso-native vala-misc-git Oct 25 10:40:17 * md2k7 's SHR Makefile finally started building! *yay* Oct 25 12:07:40 anyone have any clue on what broke shr/merge? :D i'm kind of bored, now that it's done building it Oct 25 12:18:41 <[Rui]> I would like to test the new stuff for shr, but I'd like to know beforehand if I'll still be able to use it as phone at least as well as in shr-u :) Oct 25 12:22:03 [Rui] i flashed yesterday. it works quite nice (i use a combination of ompimd-utils and the new phoneui apps) Oct 25 12:22:39 JesusMcCloud: import or merge ? Oct 25 12:22:53 [Rui] also i use fbdev instead of glamo for faster ersume Oct 25 12:23:05 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: what? Oct 25 12:24:12 rebelThor: merge built yesterday evening CEST after libxaw was fixed but i haven tested my build since mrmoku unstable wroks so nice Oct 25 12:25:17 JesusMcCloud: yeah, merge is foobared atm :D Oct 25 12:25:49 [Rui] what twhat? Oct 25 12:25:52 <[Rui]> I gotta install that in another µ-sd card in order to check it out Oct 25 12:26:06 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: I didn't understand that s/glamo/fbdev/ part Oct 25 12:26:18 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: you mean you're using xorg with fbdev rather than glamo driver? Oct 25 12:26:32 glamo is faster but resuem takes about 6-8 seconds Oct 25 12:26:39 [Rui] yup Oct 25 12:26:39 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: ouch Oct 25 12:26:56 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: no fix in sight, then? Oct 25 12:27:23 [Rui] afaik it is still hunted down Oct 25 12:27:35 <[Rui]> darn Oct 25 12:28:14 rebelThor, have you tried your build? Oct 25 12:28:25 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: is xorg+fbdev even slower than xglamo? Oct 25 12:29:05 JesusMcCloud: yeah, last updates (from about two hours ago) still get hanged in the boot stage, or give "INIT: versopn 2.86 booting \n INIT: PANIC: segmentation violation! sleeping for 30 seconds." on an older uboot Oct 25 12:29:34 [Rui]: fbdev is by definition *MUCH* slower than xglamo Oct 25 12:29:34 [Rui] xorg-glamo is faster than what you get on shr-unstable xorg-fbdev Oct 25 12:29:47 at least it seems faster Oct 25 12:29:48 s/xglamo/xorg-glamo/ Oct 25 12:29:48 dos11 meant: [Rui]: fbdev is by definition *MUCH* slower than xorg-glamo Oct 25 12:30:29 <[Rui]> I'm not talking about xorg+glamo driver, but the thing that's being used by current shr-u :) Oct 25 12:30:42 <[Rui]> I know xorg+glamo is a bit faster Oct 25 12:31:04 dos1 any news why some hoversels work and other dont ( i compared code from shr-settings-elm module and pim module, but then i realized that i dont know jack about python Oct 25 12:31:36 [Rui]: fbdev is slower than anything which use glamo acceleration Oct 25 12:32:04 [Rui]: so fbdev is slower than both Xglamo (used in old unstable) and xorg-glamo (used now in unstable) Oct 25 12:32:36 <[Rui]> dos1: I thought Xglamo didn't use any accel at all, and wasn't that different from fbdev Oct 25 12:32:57 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: maybe not all use the new signal? Oct 25 12:33:19 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: there was an email from dos1 warning devs about the new signal Oct 25 12:33:23 [Rui] i know about deprecated signal, but i dont know about python Oct 25 12:33:44 [Rui]: hmm? Xglamo was almost fully accelerated Oct 25 12:34:01 it was just crappy in code and used old kdrive as X server :P Oct 25 12:34:09 [Rui]: that was TAsn who sent that mail Oct 25 12:34:12 <[Rui]> dos1: oh Oct 25 12:34:28 and no, that's something more weird about that hoversels Oct 25 12:34:53 [Rui] what i also dont get is why something got changed in the edcs Oct 25 12:35:00 <[Rui]> dos1: yeah, TAsn, TAsn: sorry :) Oct 25 12:35:38 <[Rui]> gladly I don't even use that signal in elmdentica's hoversel Oct 25 12:36:21 <[Rui]> argh, ok... I can only try the new stuff when the 6-8s bug get's nuked *sigh* wish I knew more about driver development... Oct 25 12:36:55 [Rui] or you can use fbdev in the meantime Oct 25 12:37:16 by the way i just noticed that i forgot to upgrade. is it "safe"? Oct 25 12:37:28 * JesusMcCloud is using mrmoku unstable) Oct 25 12:37:44 tests/mrmoku isn't supposed to be safe at all Oct 25 12:37:45 :P Oct 25 12:37:51 if it's safe, then it's side effect :D Oct 25 12:38:29 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: well, I already think Xglamo is quite slow... so maybe I'll pass :) Oct 25 12:38:34 dos1, i know Oct 25 12:39:23 dos1, are you using an upgraded system that works? Oct 25 12:41:47 the hell whit it, upgrade is already running Oct 25 12:42:33 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: oh you brave one... :) Oct 25 12:42:54 is there an testing image for me ^^ Oct 25 12:43:28 Hardy, hi! how's real life? Oct 25 12:45:28 [Rui] well, i want to raise some pulses Oct 25 12:46:31 JesusMcCloud: pritty boring xD want some moko to play arround ^^ Oct 25 12:47:22 JesusMcCloud: got now the job by Caritas (Zivi), driving food to old people Oct 25 12:47:37 Hardy, you can install mrmoku unstable and try out the new phoneui stuff, which ROCKS but dont complain if you kill you moko Oct 25 12:48:15 until 12 pm, then i have to make some caretaker jobs, which often is very boring ^^ Oct 25 12:48:23 Hardy, so you encounter people who hardly have any contact to outside world and dont want you to leave after you delivered?! Oct 25 12:48:55 Hardy, well at least you dont have to physically fight with your clients like i had to Oct 25 12:48:56 right ^^ Oct 25 12:49:13 yeah i know, im very happy about that :D Oct 25 12:49:32 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: oh wow... I don't envy you... Oct 25 12:49:46 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: unhappy client? :( Oct 25 12:50:06 Hardy, was an amazing experience though, and also the whole senior stuff was scared by me, but i was untouchable Oct 25 12:51:25 [Rui] severe psychotic clients with major multiple metal disabilities Oct 25 12:52:01 JesusMcCloud: yeah, i got one day in those old-people-home, it left marks one me until today Oct 25 12:52:22 [Rui] the most severe cases of the whole province Oct 25 12:53:36 no i just have people who watching out the window until i came and bring food... all day... realy sad Oct 25 12:55:01 Hardy, at least my clients were mostly happy (apart form the handful of suicidal ones who even tried to kill themselves using their meal -> suffocation) Oct 25 12:57:42 Hardy, i think that is why i hate life so much: i am constantly thinking about random stuff so i am worried. my former clients the were happy and i envy them for that. the smarter you are the more thing pop into your mind. those people are mostly happy with what they got, mostly because they ont know any better Oct 25 12:58:09 very true Oct 25 12:58:27 JesusMcCloud: we're the both meaning :) Oct 25 12:59:12 just readed about a book i found in the kitchen of my work, about happyness Oct 25 12:59:13 Hardy, wtf? that sentence does not even remotely make something what might someday be considered as sense Oct 25 12:59:52 JesusMcCloud: true xD we're the same meaning, is better i hope ^^ Oct 25 13:00:18 Hardy, not even close Oct 25 13:00:23 shit Oct 25 13:01:37 Hardy, about retirement home: a friend of mine once punched a caretaker fit for hospital cause the shaved his granddads beard. reminded me of the incredibl hulk Oct 25 13:02:15 * JesusMcCloud still has a working phone after upgrade -> woohoo! Oct 25 13:02:28 nice Oct 25 13:02:45 hmmh... oww, those beards got a loong aging time xD Oct 25 13:03:34 Hardy, if you want some playground, try out the new phoneui stuff it really rocks! and it is much faster than ophonekit stuff, you just have to use sqlite messages for now if you want it to work Oct 25 13:04:21 ow i dont know any sqlite massage ^^ Oct 25 13:04:58 Hardy, opimd backend Oct 25 13:06:04 mmg, sqlite massage Oct 25 13:06:08 mmh, even :) Oct 25 13:06:27 ah i know what u mean Oct 25 13:06:28 hey folks, long time =] Oct 25 13:06:53 JesusMcCloud: just have any download link? so i will give it a try ^^ Oct 25 13:07:17 with my mostrly unavaliable expierience ^^ Oct 25 13:08:23 Hardy, us a freshly falshed mrmoku unstable, edit the opkg feeds to use the mroku feeds. opkg update. opkg upgrade. as soon as you've done that report back Oct 25 13:08:54 okay Oct 25 13:16:46 by the way: Epic Buffalo VS Lions fight ^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM&feature=player_embedded Oct 25 13:36:04 JesusMcCloud: which files do i edit to use the mrmoku feeds? Oct 25 13:36:31 sicu: /etc/opt/* Oct 25 13:36:41 rebelThor Oct 25 13:36:42 sorry Oct 25 13:36:45 that's /etc/opkg Oct 25 13:36:52 yeh, thanks =] Oct 25 13:39:41 so when does the new bootlogo hit the feeds ? :) i'm curious about how it looks on the phone itself Oct 25 13:54:55 sicu, i guess you want to try out hte new phoneui stuff?! Oct 25 13:56:04 <[Rui]> JesusMcCloud: I do, but I need the working phone and I don't have another µ-sd card here, only when I get home, perhaps... Oct 25 13:56:26 it is working here (just upgraded 20 mins ago) Oct 25 13:56:43 <[Rui]> is there an image I can download? Oct 25 13:57:05 JesusMcCloud: what are the differences between the two things, I've installed the phoneui bunch but I can't really see any difference lol Oct 25 13:57:56 it's the future :) Oct 25 14:00:26 here#s what i did: flashed mrmoku unstable, remove ophonekitd, shr-messages, shr-dialer, shr-contacts, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, installed libphone-ui, phonefsod, libphone-ui-shr phoneui-messages, phoneui-contacts, phoneui-dialer, opimd-utils, then i set my contacts backend to sim (matter of taste) and my messages backend to SIM-Messages-FSO i disabled notifier and use opimd-notifier, also i use opimd-messages, because Oct 25 14:00:26 i like it more Oct 25 14:01:19 also i built xf86-video-fbdev because yesterdy it wasnt in the feed (i think libxaw is to blame, since it wouldn build yesterday afternoon CEST) Oct 25 14:02:42 JesusMcCloud: opimd-utils installs ophonekitd back :| Oct 25 14:02:44 ok, just a few things to sort out then ... was gonna wait for new image release, but don't want to wait any longer ;p Oct 25 14:03:24 * JesusMcCloud checks hist list of installed packages for ophonekitd Oct 25 14:04:53 rebelThor, you'r right it is installed. ->removing it to see what happens Oct 25 14:05:08 JesusMcCloud: it'll whine about dependencies Oct 25 14:05:41 rebelThor, i just removed it with -force-depends -> init 6 on moko Oct 25 14:06:38 i'm still using an image that's pre xmas08, so looking forward to see the progress =] Oct 25 14:06:41 rebelThor, but pfsohponed should've kicked out hte system startups anyways, or is that wishful thinking? Oct 25 14:07:59 JesusMcCloud: i'm not sure I got the meaning of that last line.. the day's work takes it price in my understanding ability Oct 25 14:09:13 s/startups/startup links Oct 25 14:09:34 oh, got it now Oct 25 14:09:37 rebelThor: you're lucky is't only a temporary slowdown then ... my brain in general takes its price in my understanding ability ;p Oct 25 14:10:01 sicu: hehe, i'm sure that's not the case Oct 25 14:10:29 * JesusMcCloud still has a working phone although fso-triggers.py has been reverted to default Oct 25 14:10:51 (changes fsp-triggers.py to use opimg message backend) Oct 25 14:11:23 man, i'd forgotten how long it took to flash the fr Oct 25 14:11:39 JesusMcCloud: how long does the opimd-messages take for you to load up the message list ? Oct 25 14:11:58 i get a blank screen and I have no clue if it's actually working or not Oct 25 14:12:06 rebelThor, can't say since i only have a handful of messages Oct 25 14:12:25 ma five msgs i have are there instantly Oct 25 14:12:27 hm, that took a very long time :( Oct 25 14:13:01 I do have lots of messages, but this still doesn't look like ok behavior, waited about 1 to 2 minutes for it to load Oct 25 14:13:44 adn you are sure you have opimd configured correctly to use SQLite backend ( i suppose you used sqlite messages before upgradign your system) Oct 25 14:14:05 JesusMcCloud: nope, i don't think I do.. how do you do that? :D Oct 25 14:14:32 since shr-messages is a littel borken (hoversel) just edit your frameworkd.conf Oct 25 14:14:44 (you'll know where to do it when you see it) Oct 25 14:14:46 perhaps it had to go through all your messages and censor them ;p Oct 25 14:17:53 as a side note, my frameworkd.conf has ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never, while the comments say the default should be addaptive.. what's up with that? Oct 25 14:18:50 <[Rui]> yeah, mine has never as well. Oct 25 14:19:02 rebelThor, don't know enogun but dont care since i fixed #1024 adn use deep sleep = always Oct 25 14:19:13 <[Rui]> but I think never is assured not to hit #1024 although adaptative may work on some models Oct 25 14:19:14 s/enogin/enough Oct 25 14:19:22 s/enogun/enough Oct 25 14:19:52 hey bumbl =] Oct 25 14:21:33 hi sicu Oct 25 14:25:25 JesusMcCloud: messages_default_backend = SIM-Messages-FSO , should I change it to SQLite-Messages ? :) Oct 25 14:26:03 yup Oct 25 14:27:00 also edit your fso-triggers.py /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventsd Oct 25 14:27:01 my image doesn't build because fso-abyss is missing Oct 25 14:27:24 playya_, playya build i manually then your image will build (had the same probkem yesterday Oct 25 14:27:44 same here with fso-abyss, where does it have to be added in order for it to be built automatically? Oct 25 14:29:16 rebelThor, playya_: do you have concurrent building enabled? if yes, then disable it Oct 25 14:29:34 dos1: yep, enabled, how does that influence it? Oct 25 14:29:42 i use multible bb threads Oct 25 14:30:01 rebelThor, playya_: multiple bb threads can introduce some bugs Oct 25 14:30:14 dos1: then maybe we should remove it from the wiki as well? :D Oct 25 14:30:15 i don't know details Oct 25 14:30:24 rebelThor: probably, yes ;) Oct 25 14:30:24 in order to save some headake ? Oct 25 14:30:33 rebelThor, http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/opimd/oeventsd/ ->fso-triggers.py Oct 25 14:30:44 JesusMcCloud: thanks Oct 25 14:30:50 ok. testing Oct 25 14:32:32 JesusMcCloud: ok, init 6 and all set ? Oct 25 14:32:32 <[Rui]> I'm running the #1024 test and it seems I'm not susceptible to it! :) Oct 25 14:32:47 <[Rui]> no CREG: 0 or CSQ: 99,99 :) Oct 25 14:32:50 [Rui]: is there a test script? Oct 25 14:32:54 * md2k7 should fix his phone Oct 25 14:32:58 <[Rui]> spaetz: yes. Oct 25 14:33:00 rebelThor, worked here Oct 25 14:33:07 spaetz: some commands you enter into mickeyterm Oct 25 14:33:12 mmh, need to test too... Oct 25 14:33:33 but i don't have capacitors like that :-( Oct 25 14:34:23 someone somewhere quoted that all om hardware problems can be solved by a capacitor :P Oct 25 14:34:57 <[Rui]> spaetz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/056835.html Oct 25 14:35:07 <[Rui]> spaetz: Nikolaus is selling the rework if needed Oct 25 14:35:19 <[Rui]> spaetz_: I was just precisely testing i Oct 25 14:35:20 <[Rui]> it Oct 25 14:35:28 <[Rui]> oh shit Oct 25 14:35:35 <[Rui]> it started doing it :( Oct 25 14:35:50 <[Rui]> gah I was happy a little bit too soon Oct 25 14:35:56 45 EUR, pfft Oct 25 14:36:02 * md2k7 will do reworks too Oct 25 14:36:02 <[Rui]> 45€ + shipping costs is still something Oct 25 14:36:14 well, at least you get a new device if they break it Oct 25 14:36:22 i couldn't guarantee THAT Oct 25 14:37:16 <[Rui]> md2k7: yeah Oct 25 14:37:26 not going to pay 50EUR for some increased standby time Oct 25 14:37:38 I got used to charging every day now Oct 25 14:37:50 <[Rui]> spaetz_: indeed, I have as well. Oct 25 14:38:13 <[Rui]> spaetz_: if it were 45 and done in an afternoon, maybe I'd buy the service Oct 25 14:38:22 [Rui]: true Oct 25 14:38:28 how much more standby would you get by fixing this thing ? Oct 25 14:38:31 <[Rui]> but a couple of weeks and paying shipping as well... it's a bit too much Oct 25 14:38:39 rebelThor: some say over a week Oct 25 14:38:43 results of suspend time (143hrs) at Oct 25 14:38:44 http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2009/06/03/freerunner-deep-sleep-standby-time . Oct 25 14:38:48 <[Rui]> rebelThor: from about 48h to 143h +- Oct 25 14:38:56 taken from https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 Oct 25 14:39:07 that's a big improvement Oct 25 14:39:08 well 48 h is what we (at least I) have now... Oct 25 14:39:22 <[Rui]> I wonder if I can get someone with fairy hands near me... Oct 25 14:39:26 ah, meaning he got from 48h to 143h Oct 25 14:39:34 not that you can get 48h in the worst case Oct 25 14:39:44 md2k7: right Oct 25 14:41:25 <[Rui]> md2k7: with standby and not talking too much I get about two days from my original battery Oct 25 14:41:45 [Rui]: that's about what I'm getting now Oct 25 14:42:37 <[Rui]> I guess that as I move my online presence to the smartq7 I buy and leav the phone just for phone stuff it'll last safely about 2 days Oct 25 14:46:36 so how exactly do you test for #1024 Oct 25 14:47:12 i get about 3 days battery life using my fr as an averyday pone Oct 25 14:47:27 <[Rui]> rebelThor: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/056835.html Oct 25 14:47:41 <[Rui]> rebelThor: Nokolaus explains how to test wether you have it or not Oct 25 14:47:53 <[Rui]> let it do up to 10 CREQs if you want to be sure Oct 25 14:48:27 <[Rui]> rebelThor: to me it took 11 Oct 25 14:48:33 <[Rui]> rebelThor: so better make that 10 CREGs Oct 25 14:48:56 AT+CPIN error Oct 25 14:48:57 lol Oct 25 14:48:58 <[Rui]> argh... 20 Oct 25 14:49:11 <[Rui]> rebelThor: to be sure, I turned X off, framework off, fsousage off Oct 25 14:49:21 <[Rui]> then do things CALMLY Oct 25 14:49:26 <[Rui]> let them take their time Oct 25 14:49:54 [Rui]: ah, seems like a lenghty process, and I have to get going now, but I'll try it later and ping you if I run into trouble.. Thanks a bunch Oct 25 14:50:16 <[Rui]> rebelThor: it took me about 8 minutes to start hitting recamping Oct 25 14:50:33 <[Rui]> which is why I was getting so excited... Oct 25 15:09:02 hrm, for the fourth time my freerunner went to a state where it does not wake up from suspend anymore Oct 25 15:16:57 PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer: any idea what sort of debugging I can do for http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2309 ? I can't get to the test points inside the RF-shielding cans without removing the battery :( Oct 25 15:23:32 if freerunner is in suspend and connected to PC, should I be able to remove the battery? Oct 25 15:24:09 lindi-: yepp, just the gsm is working from the battery, no? Oct 25 15:24:35 khiraly: i'm trying to determine if the cpu is alive at all Oct 25 15:24:45 khiraly: since the system does not wake up from suspend Oct 25 15:25:10 khiraly: and I can roughly measure power consumption from USB Oct 25 15:47:07 lindi-: power from usb. insert LED signal beacons to resume code. attach battery to disassembled device (use sticky tape and/or rubberbands). use debugboard Oct 25 15:55:03 heyho Oct 25 15:55:35 DocScrutinizer: i removed the battery and the system rebooted Oct 25 15:55:43 dos1, morphis is here, please ask him what you need to do for hoversel to work :) Oct 25 15:58:30 DocScrutinizer: I added some info to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2309 Oct 25 15:58:34 TAsn: oh, you pointed out what we have to fix on hoversel to get it work propably? Oct 25 16:01:06 morphis, no, I thought you know. Oct 25 16:01:10 I only know about the signal name change Oct 25 16:01:13 nothing more than that. Oct 25 16:04:47 DocScrutinizer: should those LED signal beacons be added to Qi? Oct 25 16:04:56 DocScrutinizer: or linux? Oct 25 16:05:23 DocScrutinizer: and can debug board do anything when the device is in suspend? Oct 25 16:08:40 TAsn: no I don't know more than you, did not have the time to look into the details Oct 25 16:08:50 okie. Oct 25 16:10:31 I am currently a bit busy with hacking on the palm pre :) Oct 25 16:11:00 I envy you ! :) Oct 25 16:12:47 TAsn: :) Oct 25 16:12:59 TAsn: whats the problem? no money to buy it or no time? Oct 25 16:13:13