**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 13 02:59:57 2009 Nov 13 05:16:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4f27d0c4c4fc 10/.gitignore: merge Nov 13 06:41:23 mickeyl: long night or up early? Nov 13 06:42:21 spaetz: morning Nov 13 06:42:48 spaetz: build failed at ltrace... but just some minutes ago Nov 13 06:42:59 spaetz: and I solved and restarted it Nov 13 06:43:41 morning Nov 13 06:43:51 seen the curl-native fixes in OE.dev? Nov 13 06:44:01 ltrace... Nov 13 06:44:16 * spaetz sighs. Worst moment for a major change at OE upstrem... Nov 13 06:44:36 spaetz: problem with ltrace is that install gets staged as install.coreutils Nov 13 06:44:41 and symlink is missing Nov 13 06:45:17 moin Nov 13 06:45:23 moin moin Nov 13 06:45:55 mrmoku: early up, travelling to Hamburg for a one-day conference Nov 13 06:46:25 mickey|train: ahh :) Nov 13 06:46:32 mickey|train: have fun then Nov 13 06:47:07 spaetz: I hack-solved it by creating the symlink manually :| Nov 13 06:47:40 spaetz: (curl) yup, that is what solved the problems yesterday after updating Nov 13 06:47:44 my build failed this morning in nfs-utils Nov 13 06:47:48 or are there more fixes not yet in shr/merge Nov 13 06:48:14 playya: that is one of those strange 'it works when cleaning and rebuilding' packages,no? Nov 13 06:48:40 no clue what's not in shr/merge yet. Should we try to merge lated dev? Nov 13 06:48:43 dunno yet Nov 13 06:48:54 but webkit-gtk fails all the time Nov 13 06:49:34 a dbus-native fix 8h ago Nov 13 06:50:00 afiak we have "pingus" in our feed. fied 5h ago. Nov 13 06:50:03 fixed Nov 13 06:50:08 I try to merge dev.OE Nov 13 06:51:43 erge conflict in recipes/freesmartphone/fsogsmd_git.bb Nov 13 06:52:31 hehe Nov 13 06:52:44 just take oe.dev for that conflict probably Nov 13 06:53:01 NOTE: Running task 6299 of 7310 Nov 13 06:53:16 * mrmoku to the kindergarten and back after that Nov 13 06:58:20 yep, just a PV conflict. solved, merged and pushed Nov 13 06:58:38 6299 of 7310 sounds good Nov 13 07:08:08 just trying to build image from scratch to see what else is broken Nov 13 07:08:32 5€ on webkit-gtk Nov 13 07:09:23 morning Nov 13 07:09:37 moin Nov 13 07:10:02 okay, so I'm almost done porting my old palm apps at least rudimentary to the freerunner Nov 13 07:11:44 which? any screenshot, packages? Nov 13 07:12:21 blindcoder: awesoe Nov 13 07:12:23 awesome, even Nov 13 07:12:31 playya: fltkhackdiet, fltkcocktailbar, fltkworldclock and currently working on fltkweightwatcherpointcalculator Nov 13 07:12:38 the last one needs a new name, though Nov 13 07:13:19 hehe Nov 13 07:14:27 playya: most are on opkg.org and available via my own, small repository Nov 13 07:14:37 oh no, latest shr-unstable still doesn't seem to have tar with gzip support Nov 13 07:14:53 * spaetz is tired of first gzip -d and then tar xf Nov 13 07:15:38 spaetz: isn't that a busybox problem Nov 13 07:15:54 ? Nov 13 07:17:15 yes Nov 13 07:17:20 busybox configuration Nov 13 07:17:33 I thought it would have been supported by now Nov 13 07:18:18 mrmoku|away: wasn't here yesterday... is git/tcl issue resolved? Nov 13 07:18:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc8006fcbe7a0 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Nov 13 07:18:40 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: install dbus configuration files and iso-3166-1 datafile Nov 13 07:18:40 freesmartphone.org: iso-3166-1 has been downloaded from http://www.iso.org/iso Nov 13 07:27:20 mrmoku|away, spaetz, weepee, good waves :) Nov 13 07:32:22 spaetz: the dbus-daemon issue isn't it resolved only for older version 1.2*? IRC we have 1.3.0 Nov 13 07:57:53 JaMa: well... the git/curl issue got resolved by OE update I think Nov 13 07:58:16 JaMa: the tcl issue is still pending... hacked around it by copying the lib in staging to .0 Nov 13 07:58:41 JaMa: and then I had a problem with strace Nov 13 07:59:03 JaMa: which did not install due to install being staged as install.coreutils without a symlink to install Nov 13 07:59:41 (ID: 292, /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-fonts-truetype.bb, do_package_write_ipk) Nov 13 07:59:45 ehhh Nov 13 07:59:51 NOTE: Running task 7192 of 7310 Nov 13 08:00:03 getting closer :) Nov 13 08:00:26 JaMa: ahh and on my laptop I had a strange problem with python-native Nov 13 08:01:33 gcc: unrecognized option '-R/usr/lib64' Nov 13 08:01:34 /bin/sh: line 1: 24257 Segmentation fault LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/mok/src/other/openmoko/shrbuild/shr-unstable/tmp/work/x8 Nov 13 08:01:44 ... Nov 13 08:02:01 neat :D Nov 13 08:02:16 farhaven: hehe... yeah quite funny :P Nov 13 08:03:16 quite a mess, I see Nov 13 08:03:26 * JaMa is not rebuilding from scratch.. Nov 13 08:03:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0742707f0fbe 10/fsogsmd/ (configure.ac src/lib/mbpi.vala): fsogsmd: compute PACKAGE_DATADIR Nov 13 08:03:38 JaMa: well... not as bad as it looks Nov 13 08:04:01 I guess that RP can solve those in few mins.. Nov 13 08:04:08 probably... yes Nov 13 08:04:27 JaMa: Gnutoo said last night that there are staging changes ahead... Nov 13 08:04:48 and tcl has a custom oe_libinstall thing Nov 13 08:04:55 mrmoku: and lots of stagging changes already in oe.dev Nov 13 08:04:56 which is just installing .so and not .so.0 Nov 13 08:05:08 and we're probably in the middle, yes :P Nov 13 08:05:19 sure Nov 13 08:07:48 NOTE: Running task 7304 of 7310 Nov 13 08:07:55 getting really close now :) Nov 13 08:13:15 mrmoku, from scratch without an error? Nov 13 08:14:15 playya: from scratch with two glitches Nov 13 08:14:27 one at sqlite3 due to tcl not being staged correctly Nov 13 08:14:40 and one at strace due to coreutils not being staged correctly Nov 13 08:14:59 playya: though on my laptop I have problems much earlier Nov 13 08:19:30 mrmoku: task 7304 of 7310 been out of it for a week. Does this mean that a build of she-unstable works? Nov 13 08:19:49 shr-unstable Nov 13 08:19:51 * spaetz failed at dbus-native but it's dbus-native-1.2.1-r16.1 Nov 13 08:19:59 so it should be fixed (theoretically) Nov 13 08:20:04 but it isn't Nov 13 08:20:05 Arigead: yup Nov 13 08:20:18 Deadly I'll fire that up and wait ;-) Nov 13 08:20:33 Arigead: your mileage may vary depending on your buildhost... Nov 13 08:20:39 and other unknown cosmic factors :P Nov 13 08:22:48 mrmoku: I'll try it out and see I suppose. Can I ask which GUI the phone will use now. I believe libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 was superseded. I was just getting into the code of that and thinking of contributing and then it was gone ;-) Probably just as well Nov 13 08:24:03 Arigead: libphone-ui-shr Nov 13 08:24:24 Arigead: our phonestack is now phonefsod / phoneuid / libphone-ui / liphone-ui-shr Nov 13 08:24:36 with the last one being the toolkit depending part Nov 13 08:24:46 mrmoku: perfect. I'll try that out. I recently moved to Ubuntu 9.10 and failed to do a OE build of Gumstix so I might have to drop back to 9.04 Nov 13 08:25:13 Arigead: btw. liphone-ui-shr == libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Nov 13 08:25:20 just with a nicer name and some cleanups Nov 13 08:25:24 (well lot of cleanups) Nov 13 08:26:29 mrmoku: Thanks a million for that. Hopefully there's nothing left to do any more. Nov 13 08:29:43 Arigead: haha... figure... lot's of stuff you can earn lots of credit :P Nov 13 08:31:49 mrmoku: My account is empty and it's not been easy to get up to speed to make any sort of deposit. I must be on the road to hell ;-) Nov 13 08:32:17 mrmoku: As in I do have good intentions, honest Nov 13 08:33:30 yeah... Nov 13 08:33:44 spaetz: add handy bootsplash to your list of regressions :P Nov 13 08:33:59 ohh... wait Nov 13 08:35:05 mrmoku: I guess thats because postinst wasn't run for splash-logo.. Nov 13 08:35:10 hmm... no booted to the wrong partition Nov 13 08:35:37 shr-splash-theme-tux is what is in the image Nov 13 08:35:45 but I booted to the wrong partition... Nov 13 08:39:02 JaMa: hmm looks like it is not booting :( Nov 13 08:40:17 JaMa: have to go to a client now... I started bitbake -k task-shr-feed to give the buildhost something to do... Nov 13 08:40:28 will be back in the afternoon probably Nov 13 08:40:31 cu Nov 13 08:41:01 ahh... forgot to say Nov 13 08:41:06 image is in tests/mrmoku/unstable Nov 13 08:41:14 I cleaned the links a bit Nov 13 08:41:18 no more oemerge Nov 13 08:41:23 no more testing for now Nov 13 08:41:50 just unstable, kms and 2.6.31 Nov 13 08:41:57 the latter to just for the respective kernels Nov 13 08:42:03 and kms is still building Nov 13 08:42:05 ok Nov 13 08:42:05 cu Nov 13 08:43:41 mrmoku|away: hmm weird.. as the image should be almost the same as the one in oemerge :/ will check in the evening.. daywork now :( Nov 13 08:57:47 mrmoku|away: thanks for the updates Nov 13 08:58:16 so yours is not booting either, then probably my SD card isn't broken afte all (it works fine in a camera) Nov 13 09:19:58 mrmoku|away: spaetz : TAsn: is http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed/ipk/ Nov 13 09:20:02 most actual feed? Nov 13 09:33:31 afaik he just built the image and did not update the feed alexxy Nov 13 09:34:28 feed for stuff from image is updated imho.. Nov 13 09:34:30 but it's friday the 13th. keep your fingers crossed ;) Nov 13 09:34:39 just stuff from task-shr-feed isn't build yet.. Nov 13 09:35:17 so the feed will be quite a mess if wasn't removed before rebuild.. Nov 13 09:36:36 ah in tests it was removed Nov 13 09:36:48 alexxy: he is just compiling the feed afaik Nov 13 09:37:41 yep Nov 13 09:38:00 oemerge feed was removed Nov 13 09:50:55 jamvm-initial fixed and classpath-native built :) Nov 13 09:51:10 testing cacao for shr-feed now.. Nov 13 09:53:50 <\marco> hi to all Nov 13 09:54:49 <\marco> I've made a test program, configured with autotools but the bitbake process failed to do install Nov 13 09:55:11 <\marco> it says "no roule to make target install" Nov 13 09:55:37 <\marco> but, if I go in the source and do manually make install work :/ Nov 13 09:58:15 \marco: is your WORKDIR set to right directory? Nov 13 09:58:52 <\marco> where? in the recipe? Nov 13 09:59:45 yes Nov 13 09:59:57 <\marco> ehm.. no.. I've no workdir set :) Nov 13 10:00:37 <\marco> JaMa: how I've to set it? Nov 13 10:00:51 \marco: if the tarball doesn't contain dir named like PN-PV then yes.. Nov 13 10:01:11 <\marco> JaMa: I've that dir Nov 13 10:02:08 \marco: remove exit(); line in oe_fatal() function in workdir .. temp/run.do_install.* file and use "source temp/run.do_install.*" to see what happens.. Nov 13 10:03:34 <\marco> oh.. wait a second! Nov 13 10:03:39 <\marco> in the tarball! Nov 13 10:03:49 <\marco> sorry Nov 13 10:04:17 <\marco> the tarball contain a dir named PN Nov 13 10:04:34 <\marco> I've to set workdir Nov 13 10:04:36 then its not found.. Nov 13 10:04:48 or create better tarball if you can.. Nov 13 10:04:59 <\marco> okay :) new tarball ^^ Nov 13 10:05:09 PN-PV.tar.bz2 containing PN-PV dir is much better Nov 13 10:05:58 spaetz: can you merge that oe.dev patch for dbus-native? Nov 13 10:06:12 spaetz: as you probably already did for test :) Nov 13 10:06:24 JaMa: too late :) Nov 13 10:06:26 <\marco> JaMa: ok. I've create the right tarball.. let me see what happens :) Nov 13 10:06:29 already pushed :) Nov 13 10:06:51 spaetz: great! thanks :) Nov 13 10:07:05 I've pulled just before you pushed :) Nov 13 10:26:26 <\marco> JaMa: I succeded the do_install but.. I've a problem in crosscompiling, I think Nov 13 10:26:42 <\marco> ERROR: runstrip: ''arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-strip' --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note '/home/marco/Work/FR/SHR/Build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/nbook-0.0.1-r0/package/usr/bin/nbook'' strip command failed Nov 13 10:26:50 <\marco> and Nov 13 10:26:53 <\marco> arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-objcopy:/home/marco/Work/FR/SHR/Build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/nbook-0.0.1-r0/package/usr/bin/nbook: File format not recognized Nov 13 10:27:08 <\marco> I've followed the shr wiki Nov 13 10:27:10 \marco: you shouldn't use "install -s" Nov 13 10:27:42 <\marco> mhm.. probabli I've to check the autotools configuration Nov 13 10:27:45 <\marco> *probably Nov 13 10:27:56 \marco: remove it from Makefile.am or something like that.. Nov 13 10:28:19 <\marco> JaMa: ok :) thanks a lot Nov 13 10:30:12 spaetz: installing to flash now... to see if that changes something Nov 13 10:30:50 mrmoku: can you chroot in that image? Nov 13 10:31:17 JaMa: right now... no... flashing :) Nov 13 10:31:25 after that finished, yes Nov 13 10:32:21 the nice thing about reinstalling windows... you have a lot of time while waiting :P Nov 13 10:32:33 ok, good idea mrmoku Nov 13 10:32:56 mrmoku: as Paul said before.. flashing from running system with mtdutils is much faster :) Nov 13 10:33:01 BTW, one more compile issue (dbus-native) fixed in shr/merge now Nov 13 10:33:26 spaetz: and another one in my queue dbus: disable libaudit (from POKY), add libsm-native dependency for dbus-native Nov 13 10:33:37 It owuld make sense to enable gzip support in busybox'es tar Nov 13 10:34:08 JaMa: yeah... much faster... somehow I'm always forgetting about it Nov 13 10:34:23 does anyone know how well moko plays with windows 7? Nov 13 10:34:54 F4t: should be ok.. if you can use huge SD card as RAM :P Nov 13 10:35:08 hehe Nov 13 10:35:15 i ment, windows 7 on the host pc :P Nov 13 10:35:44 the usb rndis connection Nov 13 10:36:47 ah then no idea.. Nov 13 10:38:47 built an image this morning (~10hrs ago) and it failed to fully boot - stopped at init Nov 13 10:38:55 should it have worked? Nov 13 10:39:12 it should. but it doesn't boot here either... Nov 13 10:39:22 any more information? Nov 13 10:39:25 as long as its not me :) Nov 13 10:39:27 tkx Nov 13 10:39:44 * mrmoku would prefer it to be BillK ;) Nov 13 10:39:48 no other info - had to flash back as I needed a phone Nov 13 10:40:03 mrmoku :( Nov 13 10:40:07 :P Nov 13 10:40:24 BillK: we finally wanted to sync a new unstable to the world... Nov 13 10:40:32 won't happen if it does not boot :| Nov 13 10:40:37 right Nov 13 10:40:51 murphy's law is working well then ... Nov 13 10:42:17 yep, it is indeed. build problems, boot problems... Nov 13 10:44:25 it's still friday 13th Nov 13 10:44:35 maybe just have to reboot it tomorow Nov 13 10:46:11 Friday 13 would be a great day for a release :) Nov 13 10:46:12 :) Nov 13 10:46:35 <\marco> mhm anyone knows how to set configure.am or Makefile.am to prevent the install from stripping? Nov 13 10:46:37 ok from flash does not boot either Nov 13 10:46:49 :( Nov 13 10:46:55 ok, how do we debug from here? Nov 13 10:46:58 trying chroot now Nov 13 10:47:06 kernel? /sbin/init? Nov 13 10:47:58 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Sep 6 20:13 uImage-GTA02.bin -> uImage Nov 13 10:48:03 but uImage doesn't exist Nov 13 10:48:20 the kernel file is uImage-2.6.29-rc3 Nov 13 10:48:20 huh, that is the wrong way around? Nov 13 10:48:35 that explains why it refuses to boot from SD Nov 13 10:48:52 http://pastey.net/128534 Nov 13 10:48:56 thsi is my /boot Nov 13 10:49:08 no, it points to an nonexisting file Nov 13 10:49:18 * spaetz changes symlink and reboots Nov 13 10:49:36 * mrmoku too Nov 13 10:49:55 rebooting now... Nov 13 10:51:11 ahh... finally kernel panic :P Nov 13 10:51:15 got a weird kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Nov 13 10:51:26 one step further :) Nov 13 10:52:34 what decides the uImage names? Nov 13 10:53:37 what do you mean? Nov 13 10:53:47 btw. it's nearly chrismas time: anyone plans to buy a new phone and start hacking on it? pre, n900, geekphone, g1,... Nov 13 10:53:53 uImage-GTA02.bin is the link needed for Qi Nov 13 10:55:24 where should a fix go, is what I meant? Nov 13 10:55:49 should we just adapt ln -s uImage uImage-GTA02.bin in our shr-image.inc? Nov 13 10:56:14 although we would be bitten by this with every version change of our kernel then Nov 13 10:57:56 spaetz: we were doing the symlink in shr-image.inc do_rootfs I think Nov 13 10:58:26 and I think upgrading kernel should change the uImage link too... not sure though Nov 13 10:59:16 ln -sf ${DEPLOY_DIR_IMAGE}/uImage-${PV}-${PR}-${MACHINE_ARCH}.bin ${DEPLOY_DIR_IMAGE}/uImage-${MACHINE_ARCH}-latest.bin Nov 13 10:59:22 in linux-openmoko.inc Nov 13 10:59:49 apparently this does not work or is never called though... Nov 13 11:00:00 hi, all) Nov 13 11:00:00 Can I somehow build package with shr toolchain for current available image shr-unstable? Nov 13 11:00:12 * spaetz think we should fix linux-openmoko* to symlink to /boot/uImage Nov 13 11:03:08 I got toolchain from instructions "http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR" and when I bitbake myapp it link myapp with eglibc-2.10 while I need it linked with glibc-2.6.1 Nov 13 11:04:41 parilo: current shr-unstable tree uses eglibc-2.10 Nov 13 11:04:58 and we are in the process of pushing a new shr-unstable out that uses eglibc-2.10 Nov 13 11:05:23 spaetz: is it possible to switch to glibc-2.6.1 now? Nov 13 11:06:33 not sure. you could checkout an old version of the shr/import git tree. Nov 13 11:06:52 spaetz: /sbin/init -> /sbin/init.sysvinit is missing too Nov 13 11:06:54 from around september 6 when the latest shr-unstable snapshot was compiled Nov 13 11:07:09 mrmoku: ok that would explain a failing init... Nov 13 11:07:17 spaetz: how to do that? Nov 13 11:07:35 sorry, I am no git expert and I am at daywork currently. no time Nov 13 11:07:55 I'd go for the current shr-unstable tree and compile with that Nov 13 11:08:43 hrm, libcairo has a surprisingly easy API Nov 13 11:09:07 JaMa|Lunch: you are the kernel wiz. Can you chaeck linux-openmoko-shr-devel_git.bb and linux-openmoko.inc for where the uImage names and symlinks are decided? Nov 13 11:09:51 IMHO, somthing like do_deploy_append() in linux-openmoko.inc should do the symlinking Nov 13 11:10:14 <\marco> JaMa|Lunch: the autotools do not strip libs until you explicitely the contrary with 'make install-strip' .. and I don't say anything like that :D.. but maybe it's related to "File format not recognized" problem Nov 13 11:11:05 <\marco> arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-objcopy:/home/marco/Work/FR/SHR/Build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/nbook-0.0.1-r0/package/usr/bin/nbook: File format not recognized this is strange :/ Nov 13 11:11:56 <\marco> does anyone have an idea about this? Nov 13 11:12:30 what does file /home/marco/Work/FR/SHR/Build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/nbook-0.0.1-r0/package/usr/bin/nbook tell you? Nov 13 11:15:24 <\marco> playya: the process has clean the tmp files.. how can I get them? Nov 13 11:20:08 spaetz, mrmoku: I guess something is wrong with update-alternatives-cworth.. then.. Nov 13 11:20:31 spaetz, mrmokud: I removed update-alternatives from opkg as described in oe-devel ML Nov 13 11:21:09 spaetz, mrmoku: could you call opkg install -force-reinstall kernel-image from chroot? Nov 13 11:21:58 spaetz, mrmoku: irc uImage link is created in postinst.. tha sem for /sbin/init.sysvinit Nov 13 11:25:53 <\marco> playya: mhm.. I think that is the problem.. it's not crosscompiling Nov 13 11:26:08 <\marco> usr/bin/nbook: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped Nov 13 11:28:12 JaMa|Lunch: guess it is not only those two... Nov 13 11:28:44 JaMa|Lunch: I manually fixed the symlinks for kernel and init and still it does not boot Nov 13 11:28:58 mrmoku: probably the same ie for /bin/sh Nov 13 11:29:18 mrmoku: but you should probably see that update-alternatives error from chroot Nov 13 11:30:57 JaMa|Lunch: ok Nov 13 11:32:22 <\marco> JaMa|Lunch: the binary produced by bitbake isn't for arm :/ Nov 13 11:33:38 JaMa|Lunch: I probably have to bind mount stuff like dev? Nov 13 11:34:20 mrmoku: sure.. mmt I'll pastebin it Nov 13 11:34:29 :) Nov 13 11:35:35 <\marco> . /setup-evn don't set the right --host ? Nov 13 11:35:41 <\marco> *setup-env Nov 13 11:36:22 setup env doesnt set --host Nov 13 11:36:35 mrmoku: http://pastebin.ca/1669756 Nov 13 11:36:38 do you inherit autotools in you recipe? Nov 13 11:36:44 <\marco> playya: yes Nov 13 11:36:45 s/you/your/ Nov 13 11:36:45 playya meant: do your inherit autotools in you recipe? Nov 13 11:36:48 mrmoku: just make a link like chrootShr to that file Nov 13 11:37:03 mrmoku: and create /media/shr with coresponding line in /etc/fstab :) Nov 13 11:37:36 \marco, could you paste your recipe? Nov 13 11:37:44 mrmoku: and maybe you have to change /bin/bash to /bin/sh as no bash in your image probably Nov 13 11:37:59 <\marco> playya: just a moment :) Nov 13 11:39:01 <\marco> playya: http://nopaste.info/601a6aef6f.html Nov 13 11:39:20 <\marco> very simple recipe Nov 13 11:39:35 <\marco> ( I've followed the shr howto ) Nov 13 11:41:07 <\marco> speaking of which... in the howto there's a typing error Nov 13 11:41:19 <\marco> inhert autotools Nov 13 11:41:25 <\marco> instead of inherit Nov 13 11:41:36 change it. it's wiki ;) Nov 13 11:41:43 +a Nov 13 11:41:56 <\marco> I've a problem with the account :/.. I'll try Nov 13 11:46:09 <\marco> change submitted :) Nov 13 11:46:24 <\marco> ( the redirect problem with trac is annoying :/ ) Nov 13 11:46:37 JaMa|Lunch: ok chrooted now :) Nov 13 11:47:02 <\marco> playya: have you seen the recipe? Nov 13 11:47:38 \o/ fltkcocktailbar can now export cocktails to pdf files :D Nov 13 11:47:54 * spaetz waits. exited Nov 13 11:49:06 \marco, yes. Nov 13 11:49:26 looks good. but i'm at work, too ;) Nov 13 11:49:47 <\marco> playya: oh.. sorry :) Nov 13 11:50:07 * mrmoku slow due to daywork distracting... Nov 13 11:50:28 <\marco> anyway.. if anyone would check.. this is my Makefile.am: http://nopaste.info/ddf3807554.html and configure.in: http://nopaste.info/74279d5605.html Nov 13 11:50:39 same here mrmoku Nov 13 11:51:01 \marco, you should have some run scripts in tmp/work/armv4t/nbook*/temp Nov 13 11:51:47 and here mrmoku Nov 13 11:52:12 <\marco> playya: wait a secondo.. probably I'm an idiot :P.. just a moment Nov 13 11:52:28 <\marco> s/secondo/second Nov 13 11:52:28 today I have neo with me.. so its even worse, because its not online for me to test on it.. Nov 13 11:52:30 1st: you do not substitude your depencies Nov 13 11:52:33 <\marco> oops Nov 13 11:52:35 <\marco> XD Nov 13 11:52:47 <\marco> I've forget a '/' Nov 13 11:55:06 JaMa: heh... lots of fun :P Nov 13 11:55:07 /usr/sbin/update-rc.d: line 173: cut: not found Nov 13 11:55:12 //usr/lib/opkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: line 12: grep: not found Nov 13 11:55:15 //usr/lib/opkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: line 12: addgroup: not found Nov 13 11:55:20 //usr/lib/opkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: line 13: adduser: not found Nov 13 11:55:24 //usr/lib/opkg/info/libnss-mdns.postinst: line 8: cat: not found Nov 13 11:55:37 /usr/bin/update-fonts: line 4: run-parts: not found Nov 13 11:55:40 /usr/sbin/update-alternatives: line 193: sed: not found Nov 13 11:56:10 WTF Nov 13 11:56:16 now it is doing the busybox postinst... maybe after that retry? Nov 13 11:56:33 if update-alternatives works there.. then retry :) Nov 13 11:56:50 mrmoku: do you have update-alternative in /usr/sbin/? Nov 13 11:57:04 sed,cat,grep sounds very much like busybox... Nov 13 11:57:12 mrmoku: and in header something like Copyright cworth Nov 13 11:57:22 spaetz: update-alternatives is not working.. Nov 13 11:57:36 JaMa: update-alternatives Nov 13 11:57:37 spaetz: so all links to busybox are missing Nov 13 11:57:45 JaMa: its there in /usr/sbin Nov 13 11:57:53 mrmoku: ok good / sort of.. Nov 13 11:58:17 buxybox postinst works? Nov 13 11:59:06 mrmoku: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2009-November/014714.html Nov 13 11:59:37 JaMa: yeah read that Nov 13 11:59:59 JaMa: part of worked Nov 13 12:00:05 mrmoku: maybe I have idea whats wrong.. Nov 13 12:00:16 mrmoku: I removed update-alternatives from opkg and opkg-native Nov 13 12:00:17 update-alternatives: Removing //usr/sbin/loadfont Nov 13 12:00:17 /usr/sbin/update-alternatives: line 193: ln: not found Nov 13 12:00:47 mrmoku: if there is no update-alternatives-native installed while preparing image then the one in opkg-native was usefull there.. Nov 13 12:02:08 hmm, sounds sensible Nov 13 12:04:21 update-alternatives-cworth-native wasn't build here.. Nov 13 12:04:38 mrmoku: you can try to build update-alternatives-cworth-native manually Nov 13 12:04:45 mrmoku: and then just shr-image Nov 13 12:06:04 JaMa: ok, will do when I'm back home Nov 13 12:08:23 * spaetz builds update-alternatives-cworth-native Nov 13 12:10:31 * spaetz builds shr-lite-image Nov 13 12:11:51 * mrmoku did it too on the buildhost Nov 13 12:13:20 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20091113-om-gta02-testlab/files-in-image.txt seems still wrong Nov 13 12:14:45 sh -> busybox only link to busybox.. Nov 13 12:16:36 if test "x$D" = "x"; then while read link; do if test ! -h "$link"; then case "$link" in /*/*/*) to="../../bin/busybox";; /bin/*) to="busybox";; /*/*) to="../bin/busybox";; /*) to="/bin/busybox";; esac; busybox ln -s $to $link; fi; done # This adds the links, remember that this has to work when building an image too, hence the $D Nov 13 12:16:49 while read link; do case "$link" in /*/*/*) to="../../bin/busybox";; /bin/*) to="busybox";; /*/*) to="../bin/busybox";; /*) to="/bin/busybox";; esac; bn=`basename $link`; update-alternatives --install $link $bn $to 50; done <$D/etc/busybox.links Nov 13 12:17:05 you can try manually Nov 13 12:25:02 now it looks better :) Nov 13 12:25:27 busybox links are there and also kernel image link.. Nov 13 12:26:06 the new image seems better Nov 13 12:26:15 /sbin/init exists and kernel link too Nov 13 12:26:22 ahh, JaMa was faster :) Nov 13 12:26:35 mrmoku: just bitbake update-alternatives-cworth-native shr-image? Nov 13 12:27:02 where do we need to include update-alternatives-cworth-native as an DEPENDS then? Nov 13 12:27:16 in shr-image.inc? Nov 13 12:27:19 spaetz: I was thinking about task-boot, but not sure.. Nov 13 12:27:36 spaetz: definetely not shr-image.inc because this problem is in all images.. Nov 13 12:27:43 or should it be fixed somewhere beyond shr? Nov 13 12:27:45 ok Nov 13 12:27:47 spaetz: ie minimal-image needs it too Nov 13 12:27:57 ok, do you ask #oe ? Nov 13 12:28:10 spaetz: but I'm not sure if even in task-boot is it soon enough.. Nov 13 12:28:20 spaetz: I'll reply to my own e-mail in oe-devel :) Nov 13 12:28:26 heh Nov 13 12:31:23 JaMa: yup just those two (well shr-lite-image) Nov 13 12:37:42 rebooting Nov 13 12:38:42 splash screen comes up Nov 13 12:40:42 :) Nov 13 12:40:46 X comes up too :) Nov 13 12:41:25 Looks good. E desktop visible. Now, only phone needs to work too Nov 13 12:41:39 release day= Friday 13th :) ???? Nov 13 12:42:35 I'll need to leave for the weekend in less than 3 hours, so if I should push the release notes that needs to happen before then :) Nov 13 12:43:42 ahh :/ no stress no dedlines then :)) Nov 13 12:43:45 deadlines Nov 13 12:43:55 I couldn't hear or talk when receiving a call Nov 13 12:44:18 and number->name resolution did not work in active call win Nov 13 12:45:40 aplay Nov 13 12:45:40 ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' Nov 13 12:45:53 ok, so it seems our sound module is not loaded again Nov 13 12:47:54 ok, numer resolution worked now in active call window. weird Nov 13 12:48:11 and phone call worked after modprobing and alsactl Nov 13 12:48:28 meh, that shouldn't be a release stopper, sound is overrated anyways ... peace and quiet is the new noise =] Nov 13 12:48:47 mrmoku: what current status of unstable feed? Nov 13 12:49:18 TAsn: ping Nov 13 12:49:22 seems no it in mrmoku/unstable/feed/ipk instead of mrmoku/unstable/feed Nov 13 12:49:36 *noew Nov 13 12:49:39 *now Nov 13 12:49:39 TAsn: your USSD fix worked great, works both from contacts and dialer Nov 13 12:50:30 TAsn: one minor glitch: when I dial a phone number from dialer and call the dialer disappears, when I dial a USSD number it remains open after I have closed the USSD text win. Nov 13 12:52:08 TAsn: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/702 :P Nov 13 13:00:13 didn't we add that module to some autoload thingie? Nov 13 13:00:58 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 does not occur in conf/* or recipe/linux Nov 13 13:02:54 hmm I got a message from "0000" with the text "This is a binary message" - what should i do? Nov 13 13:03:16 or where does it come from Nov 13 13:03:20 is it a mms= Nov 13 13:03:23 ? Nov 13 13:03:46 bumbl: mms, most probably, I think Nov 13 13:04:07 hmm so how do i open? Nov 13 13:04:25 actually, we do have module_autoload_snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 = "snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753" Nov 13 13:04:36 in conf/machine/om-gta02.conf Nov 13 13:04:49 bumbl: not at all?! :) Nov 13 13:05:07 no clue how and what is saved in that case Nov 13 13:05:41 as my friends don't use mms normally because they are expensive it might just be some carrier ad but i want to be sure Nov 13 13:06:07 I only received 2 MMS and both were ads. Nov 13 13:07:05 hmm my nokia 6230i tells me "Nicht lesbar, Mitteilung kann nicht angezeigt werden" Nov 13 13:07:30 * mrmoku moving home Nov 13 13:10:32 bumbl: i think SHR damages the MMS in some way, i had that too Nov 13 13:18:02 spaetz: I guess that snd could be loaded like g_ether is? "echo "g_ether" > ./etc/modutils/g_ether" in shr-image.inc Nov 13 13:19:14 spaetz, actually, apparently it's not a glitch but a wanted behavior (according to the previous programmer) he did a great deal of work so it'll be that way Nov 13 13:19:41 weird, I know, though I just left it that way. Nov 13 13:23:13 why not rename to snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 ? Nov 13 13:24:03 module_autoload_snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 = "snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753" Nov 13 13:24:19 TAsn: ok, I think it's just inconsistent, but ok with me. Nov 13 13:24:32 I don't mind closing it, I hate it. ;) Nov 13 13:24:32 close that bug then :). Nov 13 13:24:44 ok, keep it open then :) Nov 13 13:25:04 betheg: sorry I didn't get the last proposal? Nov 13 13:25:09 do I miss sth? Nov 13 13:25:51 JaMa: that way would be quite hacky Nov 13 13:26:08 given that there is an autoload functionality in machine.conf files apparently Nov 13 13:27:10 spaetz: i mean the module is called snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 not snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 13:27:26 betheg: I actually did "modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753" Nov 13 13:27:45 which worked. (although it does show up as modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 in lsmod) Nov 13 13:28:05 blah, mispasted Nov 13 13:28:18 it shows up as snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 in lsmod Nov 13 13:28:29 i have changed the /etc/modules and now it works for me Nov 13 13:29:05 spaetz: there is already g_ether and ppp that way.. Nov 13 13:29:54 JaMa: ugly ugly ugly :) Nov 13 13:30:01 this is how it's supposed to work: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=4245e6a3732548a37bc3497fd55045744f054e48 Nov 13 13:30:20 spaetz: not my work :) Nov 13 13:33:33 anyway, someone needs to fix the module loading in whatever way and it's go for the image Nov 13 13:33:46 spaetz, how's the image doing? Nov 13 13:33:59 TAsn: fine, except sound module loading Nov 13 13:34:04 still?! Nov 13 13:34:06 :| Nov 13 13:34:15 but other than that? Nov 13 13:34:16 autosuspend? Nov 13 13:34:19 gsm after resume? Nov 13 13:34:21 everything works? Nov 13 13:34:52 Not much time to test, but I did resume, and received/made calls afterwards Nov 13 13:35:04 USSD works, and blue LED is on when plugged in. Nov 13 13:35:06 cool :) Nov 13 13:35:33 spaetz: last time I tried, this didn't work ./linux/linux-openmoko.inc:module_autoload_g_ether = "g_ether" Nov 13 13:36:36 interesting, needs investigating Nov 13 13:36:55 JaMa: so do the ugly hack and add the module loading to the root image creation :) Nov 13 13:37:09 I can't do it. Too ugly. It would break my heart :) Nov 13 13:37:29 just load "snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753" Nov 13 13:37:47 no seriously, I have no time for patches. I really need to get back to daywork NOW Nov 13 13:38:28 spaetzWork, btw, there were good waves today and there will be good waves tomorrow ;] Nov 13 13:38:30 ciao. Nov 13 13:39:41 spaetzWork, and I'm fixing 702 Nov 13 13:39:46 I don't agree with that behavior either. Nov 13 13:39:54 cool, have fun Nov 13 13:43:24 * JaMa trying to do some daywork too.. Nov 13 13:43:59 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r80605ce5fd72 10/src/phoneui-utils.c: added a small comment Nov 13 13:44:19 spaetzWork, fixed: Nov 13 13:44:19 spaetzWork: I know its ugly.. I was just warning you before fixing it in machine config before testing if it really works then in image :) Nov 13 13:44:38 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r1b9a19617e67 10/src/view/dialer-view.c: dialer window should now close after issuing a USSD request (#702) Nov 13 13:49:47 JaMa: I'll push the hack now Nov 13 13:49:53 if you haven't done it yet Nov 13 13:49:56 hey guys Nov 13 13:50:04 I just got a call but the display wouldn't power up Nov 13 13:50:18 is there a place to look for reasons? Nov 13 13:51:16 I was able to take the call by knowing where the buttons usually are, though Nov 13 13:52:41 mrmoku|away: rebuild shr-lite-image and sound should be loaded Nov 13 13:53:20 but see commit 068203595b647154379cf99aee47c63edf62e9df . This is really not the way it should remain. Nov 13 13:58:57 blindcoder, I guess that's because you are blind. Nov 13 13:59:06 :) Nov 13 14:03:51 :) Nov 13 14:16:38 hmm.. TangoGPS seems even slower than it used to be :( Nov 13 14:17:51 quick test for anyone who's around: when you open TangoGPS, does Xorg sit at the top of 'top', somewhere aeround 20-45% CPU usage%? Nov 13 14:18:03 even when no activity is taking place Nov 13 14:18:17 (I want to know if it's my fault or not) Nov 13 14:18:33 mompl Nov 13 14:19:30 I don't think it's because of the waitqueue stuff I added last night.. I switched back to busywaits, and it's still slow Nov 13 14:19:37 nope Nov 13 14:20:16 Weiss: tangogps uses 15% here Nov 13 14:20:32 tnagogps and python compete about #1 Nov 13 14:20:45 actually, there's a truckload of work going on in an IRQ handler which needs to be (a) cleared up quite a lot, (b) moved to a bottom half. That's probably still choking things up for me, even though there's no actual waitin Nov 13 14:20:49 tangogps - 0.9.9-r0.4 Nov 13 14:20:50 +g Nov 13 14:20:57 with X.org? Nov 13 14:21:13 yes Nov 13 14:21:15 Xorg Nov 13 14:21:18 xf86-video-glamo? Nov 13 14:21:21 shr0808 so no xorg I guess Nov 13 14:22:04 Driver "glamo" in section device Nov 13 14:22:23 if that helps you. It's whatever current SHR does now :) (in the yet unrelease image) Nov 13 14:22:28 spaetzWork: latest shr/merge build? Nov 13 14:22:32 yep Nov 13 14:22:45 Weiss: its xf86-video-glamo with kms enabled but with non-drm kernel Nov 13 14:23:24 Weiss: (irq) gmeters? Nov 13 14:23:37 and X itself also uses about 15% with just illume and tangogps running Nov 13 14:24:40 and the shr-today lock Nov 13 14:24:43 joerg_42: don't think so.. Nov 13 14:28:23 anyway recently I had a TTFF of <10sec :-) Nov 13 14:43:32 ~logs Nov 13 14:43:33 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Nov 13 14:43:49 ~log Nov 13 14:43:50 it has been said that log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Nov 13 14:45:16 I uploaded my lite image: http://sspaeth.de/uploads/tmp/shr.tar.gz Nov 13 14:46:17 time is still an hours off BTW, but I don't have those .tab files from the tzcode fix, so the fix is probably not in shr/merge Nov 13 14:46:17 hello! i'm just trying last mormoku/oemerge image Nov 13 14:46:26 hi daniele_athome Nov 13 14:46:29 JaMa: did you see my "announcement" last night, by the way? Nov 13 14:46:38 frameworkd suspends the phone even when connected with usb Nov 13 14:46:40 Weiss: no.. Nov 13 14:46:42 spaetzWork: already building Nov 13 14:46:56 daniele_athome: just read your mail :) Nov 13 14:47:10 daniele_athome: image from morning was broken Nov 13 14:47:22 next image will be fine (and ready in some minutes hopefully) Nov 13 14:47:36 mail? Nov 13 14:47:38 JaMa: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/waitq.png Nov 13 14:47:39 mrmoku: cool. the module loading hack is ugly BTW (in case I haven't said that often enough yet :)) Nov 13 14:47:45 :) Nov 13 14:47:47 i subscribed to both shr-devel and shr-user but i didn't recive any Nov 13 14:47:58 and we should investigate the module_autoload thingie Nov 13 14:47:58 *receive Nov 13 14:48:00 daniele_athome: your own mail? Nov 13 14:48:19 hmm Nov 13 14:48:22 daniele_athome: gmail? Nov 13 14:48:24 mmm Nov 13 14:48:27 Weiss: nice :) Nov 13 14:48:33 yes Nov 13 14:48:39 mrmoku to what mail are you referring? Nov 13 14:48:54 daniele_athome: it doesn't forward your e-mails when returned from MLs.. Nov 13 14:49:23 mmm Nov 13 14:49:37 Subject: [Shr-Devel] Buildhost web monitor Nov 13 14:49:57 yes Nov 13 14:49:58 daniele_athome: if you check them in web-interface they should be in some folder directly Nov 13 14:50:22 there should be a pointer in the shr wiki towards the tinderbox (I think I added that myself) Nov 13 14:50:55 Heinervdm replied with url to tinderbox :) Nov 13 14:51:39 * mrmoku tries incoming SMS now Nov 13 14:51:47 ok by the way the last image is 13:22 Nov 13 14:52:07 is it that image you're talking about being buit successfully? Nov 13 14:52:18 spaetzWork: heh, suspends for me too while on USB Nov 13 14:52:23 :) Nov 13 14:53:20 mrmoku: weird, it doesn't for me anymore :) Nov 13 14:53:23 daniele_athome: not yet Nov 13 14:53:29 spaetzWork: heh Nov 13 14:54:18 hmm Nov 13 14:54:28 mrmoku: Weiss : does it switcg LED? Nov 13 14:55:04 DocScrutinizer-8: LED on USB? is off for me... Nov 13 14:55:28 DocScrutinizer-8: no switching on plug/unplug Nov 13 14:55:30 DocScrutinizer-8: me? Nov 13 14:55:31 ehm ok i'm not understanding :D Nov 13 14:55:40 mrmoku: you know we have (had?) the missing hotplug event issue on boot Nov 13 14:55:51 daniele_athome: image is still building Nov 13 14:55:58 mrmoku: it doesn't suspend for me and the blue LED is on. but when I unplug USB the blue LED remains on Nov 13 14:56:01 mrmoku: ok thank you :) Nov 13 14:56:10 so some of the event handling seems to stop working at some time Nov 13 14:56:13 mrmoku: aah, un/re-plug should work Nov 13 14:56:35 lets see what the logs say... Nov 13 14:56:42 DocScrutinizer-8: no that doesn't make a difference Nov 13 14:56:58 I can replug as long as I want, the blue LED stays on here Nov 13 14:56:58 spaetzWork: btw. manually loading the sound module gives me lots of Nov 13 14:56:59 [ 648.570000] snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add Nov 13 14:57:31 spaetzWork: and time works :) Nov 13 14:58:32 spaetzWork: mrmoku : yes, I just wanted to point to the fact suspend is related to LED, and LED depends on boot from bat/usb Nov 13 14:58:48 until first replug Nov 13 14:58:59 mrmoku: weird. Mine is off by 1 h exactly :) Nov 13 14:59:09 spaetzWork: have the same image? :P Nov 13 14:59:15 ahh you have your own one? Nov 13 14:59:20 seems not... yes, local one Nov 13 14:59:41 rebooting now Nov 13 14:59:47 was still the first boot Nov 13 15:01:00 JaMa: install: cannot create regular file `/bin/arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-lsmod': Permission denied Nov 13 15:01:05 for the kms kernel Nov 13 15:02:07 strange.. will check later.. now going home... Nov 13 15:02:24 does is our machine config file loaded at all? Nov 13 15:02:37 grepping for om-gta02.conf doesn't really seem to yield anything Nov 13 15:03:13 ahh: conf/auto.conf:MACHINE = "om-gta02" Nov 13 15:05:59 spaetzWork: what modules do you have loaded? Nov 13 15:06:13 I have just g_ether... Nov 13 15:06:38 http://dpaste.com/120035/ Nov 13 15:06:56 a whole bunch of modules Nov 13 15:07:01 yup Nov 13 15:07:03 strange Nov 13 15:07:45 but I have the regular kernel not the kms one Nov 13 15:07:50 I have the default, I mean Nov 13 15:09:12 spaetzWork: yeah, missing all the files in /etc/modutils apart from g_ether Nov 13 15:10:00 outch, let me check if I made a mistake somewhere in my last commit Nov 13 15:10:13 rebooting now Nov 13 15:10:19 spaetzWork: this is still without your commit Nov 13 15:10:19 I have generic_ppp at least there as well Nov 13 15:10:27 yep have that one too Nov 13 15:10:29 (oversaw it) Nov 13 15:10:38 copied from old shr-u now Nov 13 15:10:56 yep, that is all that is in /etc/modutils Nov 13 15:11:18 including the hack it should also have /etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo Nov 13 15:11:50 might just not be enough Nov 13 15:12:04 guess somehow the autoload kernel thing in org.oe.dev is broken Nov 13 15:12:13 hack?? snd??? Nov 13 15:14:17 my time is off because I still dont have /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab Nov 13 15:14:33 my time is off because I still dont have /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab Nov 13 15:15:17 ping TAsn Nov 13 15:15:54 so the version of tzdata.inc that we have seems still to be broken (or it missed a PR bump or so) Nov 13 15:17:42 16:17 Nov 13 15:17:48 lite image Nov 13 15:21:31 spaetzWork: for me the sound module is broken... does not load Nov 13 15:22:28 spaetzWork: huh, and the image got bigger Nov 13 15:22:35 72MB for the tar.gz Nov 13 15:22:55 What? Nov 13 15:23:20 this is mine which is very current: http://sspaeth.de/uploads/tmp/ Nov 13 15:23:22 59MB Nov 13 15:23:24 daniele_athome: yep, you can try... no guarantee though Nov 13 15:23:45 sound doesn't load? seems like your kernel has serious problems Nov 13 15:23:45 spaetzWork: fun Nov 13 15:24:22 ok, visitor... bbiab Nov 13 15:25:51 Slyon, pong. Nov 13 15:27:34 TAsn: if i have libphone-utils, libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr installed i should be able to start phoneui-dialer for example, shouldn't i? Nov 13 15:27:42 no Nov 13 15:27:47 no? Nov 13 15:27:47 you also need phoneuid Nov 13 15:28:03 you actually don't need phoneui-dialer Nov 13 15:28:28 it's just a wrapper around a dbus call to phoneuid Nov 13 15:28:52 Slyon, but I suggest you just write an app that uses libphone-ui Nov 13 15:29:00 (look how phoneuid does it) Nov 13 15:29:14 as you don't yet have dbus callbacks set in phoneuid for idle (iirc) Nov 13 15:29:34 so in other words, just write a test app and link with the lib. Nov 13 15:29:58 TAsn: okay i will try this Nov 13 15:30:04 cool. Nov 13 15:30:07 How's your port doing? Nov 13 15:30:10 got most of it done? :) Nov 13 15:31:05 TAsn: well, fighted with the building yesterday night :P Nov 13 15:31:22 (of the libs) Nov 13 15:31:39 yeah, I remember. Nov 13 15:31:56 that "alpha" keyboard button is very confusing in illume-gry Nov 13 15:33:47 TAsn: so you suggest me to do my idle code in libphone-ui-shr and write a phoneuid like test app, which is liked with libphone-ui-shr, to see what i've done? Nov 13 15:34:13 yes. Nov 13 15:34:35 spaetz, I agree. Someone should change it to an icon Nov 13 15:34:39 I tried, and it came out ugly Nov 13 15:34:41 (look in scap) Nov 13 15:34:59 TAsn: okay. guess now i know the way how to do it :) Nov 13 15:35:00 Slyon, I'll write the wrapping parts afterwards. Nov 13 15:35:05 TAsn: okay Nov 13 15:35:30 I just need a "show" and "hide" functions (that conform to the rest of the lib with the naming) Nov 13 15:35:45 and init? Nov 13 15:35:59 no Nov 13 15:36:14 you should "be smart enough" to init it yourself Nov 13 15:36:18 if it's shown on the first time Nov 13 15:36:24 (i.e, keep a static var) Nov 13 15:36:41 ah, i see Nov 13 15:36:42 I mean, you should probably write an init function Nov 13 15:36:50 and call it from show only on the first time Nov 13 15:36:57 and maybe in the future (maybe = hopefully) Nov 13 15:36:59 we'll use it. Nov 13 15:37:01 :) Nov 13 15:37:16 okay Nov 13 15:37:17 :) Nov 13 15:37:17 also Nov 13 15:37:21 make callbacks Nov 13 15:37:26 for Nov 13 15:37:32 "New missed" Nov 13 15:37:37 actually Nov 13 15:37:45 "change in missed number" Nov 13 15:37:47 and Nov 13 15:38:03 "change in new messages/todo/I do'nt know what number" Nov 13 15:38:19 and make Nov 13 15:38:31 s/make/use/ Nov 13 15:38:32 TAsn meant: and use Nov 13 15:38:49 phoneui_utils_calls_get_number_of_missed Nov 13 15:39:08 (does not yet exist, but we'll make something like that as soon as you finish your end of the bargain) Nov 13 15:39:26 Slyon, it's part of the "being generic so everyone will be able to write their own" idea ;) Nov 13 15:39:37 TAsn: okay Nov 13 15:39:46 or in other words, do the GUI, I'll stich it with out code :) Nov 13 15:40:10 i guess i'll first try to have the edj loaded from the lib, and hide it by using the slider, and afterwards do the other stuff :) Nov 13 15:40:20 exactly. ;) Nov 13 15:41:19 one step at a time. Nov 13 15:41:37 yep Nov 13 15:41:51 Now we just need an elementary guru to help me with moving pyphonelog to libphone-ui-shr :| Nov 13 15:42:10 and then we should start caching the windows instead of destroying/building them all the time. Nov 13 15:42:21 Slyon: looking forward to it. shr-today is one of the greatest improvements of FR usability so far :) (sorry tasn ;) ) Nov 13 15:42:34 spaetz, after pyphonelog you mean. ;) Nov 13 15:42:38 Need to fetch my mother from the station, probably BBL Nov 13 15:42:41 spaetz, j/k, I agree. Nov 13 15:42:43 TAsn: of course! Nov 13 15:42:51 that is not part of the competition.... Nov 13 15:43:02 you meant in the last couple of months Nov 13 15:43:02 ;] Nov 13 15:43:14 (trying to build up pyphnoelog's status) Nov 13 15:43:21 though I agree, shr-today made my life a lot better. Nov 13 15:43:28 actually meant: A LOT Nov 13 15:43:29 :) Nov 13 15:43:33 or maybe *A LOT* Nov 13 15:46:06 ah, TAsn, there is one more libframeworkd-glib reference in libphone-ui-shr you forgott, it's in configure.ac Nov 13 15:47:00 oh, right. ;( Nov 13 15:47:40 done. Nov 13 15:47:43 thanks. Nov 13 15:47:49 I actually remembered I forgot about that. :) Nov 13 15:47:54 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r33d6edee3de2 10/configure.ac: removed the left over configure.ac libframeworkd-glib dep Nov 13 15:48:42 np Nov 13 15:48:53 s/left over/leftover/ Nov 13 15:49:10 I wish it was possible (maybe it is and I'm just a git-noob) to edit commit logs Nov 13 15:49:21 and merge commits Nov 13 15:49:31 I'd really like to make some order in some commit. Nov 13 15:49:33 TAsn: hm, i don't know, as i really am a git noob Nov 13 15:49:36 s Nov 13 15:49:47 TAsn: before pushing or after? Nov 13 15:49:51 after. Nov 13 15:50:05 i.e, fixing all the bad log now. Nov 13 15:50:16 but before pushing also sounds interesting. Nov 13 15:50:29 that's not easy.. before pushing (after commit) its pretty easy.. Nov 13 15:50:54 just git rebase -i origin/master (or whatever branch you're using in that remote repo) Nov 13 15:51:17 thanks ;) Nov 13 15:51:21 I'll just read the man of rebase. Nov 13 15:51:30 there you can reorder commits as you wish, sqash them together or just edit Nov 13 15:51:43 s/sqash/squash/ Nov 13 15:51:43 JaMa meant: there you can reorder commits as you wish, squash them together or just edit Nov 13 15:53:06 TAsn: you can change even pushed commits, but then it will warn you that resulting tree cannot be merged fast-forward and any tree pulling from your tree will have problems because history will be changed.. Nov 13 15:53:44 :| Nov 13 16:08:07 <[Rui]> hi there Nov 13 16:08:28 hey. Nov 13 16:09:47 <[Rui]> the new shru image is still giving some fight, huh? Nov 13 16:16:23 i'm starting 16:17 image shr right now Nov 13 16:16:23 :) Nov 13 16:18:13 <[Rui]> daniele_athome, which one? Nov 13 16:18:55 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/images/om-gta02/lite-om-gta02.tar.gz Nov 13 16:19:01 isn't it the latest? Nov 13 16:19:13 <[Rui]> oh Nov 13 16:20:19 [Rui]: ? Nov 13 16:20:40 <[Rui]> daniele_athome, then could you tell me if phone and sms work? Nov 13 16:20:54 yes, just one minute, i'm trying the suspend issue Nov 13 16:21:30 it still suspends on usb :( Nov 13 16:21:59 <[Rui]> not a big issue Nov 13 16:22:07 mmm Nov 13 16:22:11 i'm calling Nov 13 16:22:18 call window disappear instantly Nov 13 16:22:27 but call get carried out Nov 13 16:22:45 <[Rui]> phone (send and receive) calls working is imoortant, for me Nov 13 16:22:59 <[Rui]> I use it as my phone Nov 13 16:22:59 mmm Nov 13 16:23:17 i can't hear nor speak from both ways Nov 13 16:23:19 nothing Nov 13 16:23:25 but the channel is opened Nov 13 16:23:37 <[Rui]> damn Nov 13 16:23:48 <[Rui]> thats sad Nov 13 16:23:56 :( Nov 13 16:24:17 daniele_athome: try to modprobe module for you snd card... Nov 13 16:24:54 <[Rui]> JaMa, alsa's not loading automatically? weird.... Nov 13 16:25:10 known issue for shr devs.. Nov 13 16:25:30 JaMa, a lot of unresolved symbols Nov 13 16:25:31 :( Nov 13 16:25:42 daniele_athome: modprobe or insmod? Nov 13 16:25:43 module snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 16:25:43 right? Nov 13 16:25:43 modprobe Nov 13 16:26:06 right.. hmm I'll in an hour or so.. Nov 13 16:26:14 but 2 days ago it worked ok Nov 13 16:27:54 even modules under core/oss don't probe Nov 13 16:27:58 for unresolved symbols Nov 13 16:28:09 daniele_athome: try depmod -a Nov 13 16:28:12 before modprobe Nov 13 16:29:01 nop Nov 13 16:30:14 :( Nov 13 16:31:05 daniele_athome: no unresolved symbol here.. http://pastebin.ca/1670110 Nov 13 16:31:14 daniele_athome: check your lsmod Nov 13 16:33:08 JaMa, i don't have some modules Nov 13 16:33:08 http://pastebin.ca/1670117 Nov 13 16:33:13 daniele_athome: and what kernel version do you have? uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr4+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Nov 13 16:33:13 that's ls -R of sound/ directory Nov 13 16:33:46 http://pastebin.ca/1670119 Nov 13 16:33:48 and lsmod Nov 13 16:34:11 the one found in the image Nov 13 16:34:12 it means some modules are not installed in rootfs as it should.. Nov 13 16:34:14 2.6.29-rc3 Nov 13 16:34:16 lol Nov 13 16:34:20 :( Nov 13 16:34:22 daniele_athome: ls -l /boot Nov 13 16:34:34 JaMa, same thing Nov 13 16:34:42 that is only 2.6.29-rc3 Nov 13 16:34:48 daniele_athome: and download modules-* from http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/images/om-gta02/ Nov 13 16:35:07 daniele_athome: unpack it in / and it could be used as workaround .. Nov 13 16:35:38 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/images/om-gta02/modules-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119859+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5-om-gta02.tgz Nov 13 16:35:39 should I change the kernel too? Nov 13 16:35:48 daniele_athome: no its the same kernel Nov 13 16:35:54 ok Nov 13 16:35:55 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119859+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Nov 13 16:35:58 OSS is *deprecated* anyway Nov 13 16:36:22 seems some poeple haven't heard that yet Nov 13 16:36:28 :) Nov 13 16:36:40 DocScrutinizer-8: even some app devs haven't heard.. Nov 13 16:37:20 JaMa: yep, but those have to be tought by kicking their ass and using aoss wrapper Nov 13 16:37:50 DocScrutinizer-8: agreed Nov 13 16:38:14 /dev/dsp is really *bad* Nov 13 16:40:02 also the SDL people :) Nov 13 16:41:59 what makes me really sad is even wiki for OM2009 gives nonsense recommendations wrt OSS Nov 13 16:42:24 ok rebooting Nov 13 16:43:25 <[Rui]> wiki for om2009 should have in big letters use shr-u or qtmoko or ... listing the projects which are alive Nov 13 16:44:38 I'd honestly advice *not* to include the oss snd modules any more in default Nov 13 16:44:39 nooooo damn windowss!!!! :( Nov 13 16:45:20 rui: I think it kinda has Nov 13 16:45:26 the usb network interface is locked, i have to reboot Nov 13 16:45:34 however I can try the phone Nov 13 16:46:03 phoneuid is definitly *not* stable Nov 13 16:46:06 enlightenment is crashing Nov 13 16:46:08 aaaarrghhh :D Nov 13 16:46:57 daniele_athome, stop using x11-16 Nov 13 16:46:58 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer, ok Nov 13 16:47:01 and phoneuid is rock stable Nov 13 16:47:08 TAsn eheh Nov 13 16:47:10 only found one crashing scenario. Nov 13 16:47:15 daniele_athome, are you using x11-16? Nov 13 16:47:16 TAsn, that is? Nov 13 16:47:20 yes Nov 13 16:47:22 that's the issue Nov 13 16:47:27 x11-16 is broken to the core Nov 13 16:47:36 and doesn't support everything Nov 13 16:47:37 even for phoneuid? Nov 13 16:47:43 and when there's stuff it doesn't support Nov 13 16:47:45 it crashes Nov 13 16:47:50 yes Nov 13 16:47:54 phoneuid makes it crash. Nov 13 16:48:00 (which crashes x11-16) Nov 13 16:48:03 mmm Nov 13 16:48:06 don't use that piece of crap Nov 13 16:48:10 just use x11 Nov 13 16:48:16 lol Nov 13 16:48:35 ok audio is still not working Nov 13 16:48:39 probably I should do manual modprobe Nov 13 16:48:47 but I need to reboot windows Nov 13 16:48:54 and in ten minutes I'm going home Nov 13 16:49:04 so we will get in touch in an hour or two Nov 13 16:49:15 daniele_athome: you're not at home? Nov 13 16:49:18 at work Nov 13 16:49:24 daniele_athome: you look like at home :P Nov 13 16:49:29 LOL Nov 13 16:49:33 really bad joke :P Nov 13 16:49:59 my nick has a loooong story Nov 13 16:49:59 :P Nov 13 16:50:10 <[Rui]> hehe Nov 13 16:50:23 rhere's ppl that sleep under their desk in the office :-P Nov 13 16:50:23 btw: poweroff from enlightenment doesn't Nov 13 16:50:30 still an x11-16 issue? :S Nov 13 16:50:47 daniele_athome, no Nov 13 16:50:54 x11-16 issue is only with phoneuid atm Nov 13 16:51:33 DocScrutinizer-8: I did it too sometimes before deadline.. Nov 13 16:51:57 see you later Nov 13 16:52:16 hehe Nov 13 16:54:40 bbl Nov 13 16:57:49 spaetzAFK, mrmoku: can you check what you have in postinst script of kernel-image? Nov 13 16:58:05 i only slept on a table in a lab because of a deadline Nov 13 16:58:15 quite funny night :D Nov 13 16:58:30 JaMa: what exactly do you mean? Nov 13 16:59:08 NOTE: Running task 705 of 707 (ID: 10, /home/playya/om/shr-makefile/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb, do_distribute_sources) :( Nov 13 16:59:25 mrmoku: unar kernel-image*.ipk Nov 13 16:59:33 mrmoku: pastebin postinst Nov 13 16:59:36 JaMa: ok Nov 13 16:59:47 mrmoku: also control would be interesting Nov 13 16:59:58 mrmoku: some snd modules are missing in rdepends Nov 13 17:00:14 mrmoku: and /etc/modutils/* should be filled with modules from postinst Nov 13 17:00:53 JaMa: http://shr.pastebin.com/m5f325c6f Nov 13 17:01:32 JaMa: and http://shr.pastebin.com/d53091ea6 Nov 13 17:01:53 and kernel-2.6.31 (without image?) Nov 13 17:02:03 2.6.28 .. for you Nov 13 17:02:10 moment Nov 13 17:03:07 kernel 2.6.29 has only control Nov 13 17:03:08 http://shr.pastebin.com/d33e2d51a Nov 13 17:03:23 hmm checked now.. Nov 13 17:03:25 strange.. Nov 13 17:03:43 looking at kernel.bbclass.. Nov 13 17:05:07 ah sorry Nov 13 17:05:12 i understand it wrong.. Nov 13 17:05:21 it would be in postinst of actuall module.. Nov 13 17:06:50 http://shr.pastebin.com/m6bcd8772 Nov 13 17:07:46 let me check... Nov 13 17:07:48 i guess that modules were autoloaded by udev before.. Nov 13 17:08:10 JaMa: no, there were more files in /etc/modutils before Nov 13 17:08:21 that why those modutils/* files weren't so needed Nov 13 17:08:32 ahh, ok that might be Nov 13 17:09:11 SHR2 root@gojama / $ ls /etc/modutils/ Nov 13 17:09:12 g_ether hidp ipv6 ohci-hcd ppp_generic rfcomm s3cmci snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 17:09:15 from shr/image Nov 13 17:09:22 shr/import :) Nov 13 17:10:26 JaMa: hmm... my postinst for the snd module ipk is somewhat smaller :P Nov 13 17:10:37 even smaller? :) Nov 13 17:10:42 http://shr.pastebin.com/d4e83889e Nov 13 17:10:50 strange because I downloaded it from your feed :P Nov 13 17:11:29 huh Nov 13 17:12:08 mrmoku: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/om-gta02/kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753_2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5_om-gta02.ipk looks quite the same Nov 13 17:12:15 hmm Nov 13 17:12:25 have to eat now... family is waiting :|« Nov 13 17:12:34 bbiab Nov 13 17:12:56 http://shr.pastebin.com/m348531d1 Nov 13 17:45:19 I haven't seen an update on the mailing list around the status of the new SHR builds for a week or so... how are things going? Is there an ETA on builds people can start testing? Nov 13 17:48:02 mrmoku: linux-openmoko-2.6.31 was build in the same tmpdir? Nov 13 17:48:08 mrmoku: as current unstable? Nov 13 17:48:25 /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3/ /lib/modules/2.6.31/ this is bad... Nov 13 17:48:38 ah sorry :) Nov 13 17:48:43 mrmoku: thats my image :) Nov 13 17:50:03 :) Nov 13 17:53:04 at least I have blue LED now and it does not suspend anymore at the moment while having it plugged to USB Nov 13 17:54:31 root@om-gta02 /etc/modutils $ modprobe snd Nov 13 17:54:32 FATAL: Module snd not found. Nov 13 17:55:12 heh, the only core sound modules installed are oss mixer and oss pcm :P Nov 13 17:57:12 what? it shouldn't be named snd Nov 13 17:57:31 mrmoku: and its not in core :) Nov 13 17:58:01 mrmoku: soc is interesting dir for you Nov 13 17:58:18 but few are still missing there Nov 13 18:00:31 JaMa: root@om-gta02 /etc/opkg $ opkg list | grep kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 18:00:34 kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 - 2.6.29-oe11+gitr119858+f0e09a4bde4a0c7000cd906b2efde42ad0310526-r3.5 - snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 kernel module; ALSA SoC WM8753 Neo1973 GTA02 Nov 13 18:00:38 kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 - 2.6.29-oe11+gitr119859+8c65792a5c83c76d662a617a7c4e1ae8104bb6a5-r3.5.4 - Nov 13 18:01:09 and opkg list | grep kernel-module-snd-soc ? Nov 13 18:02:45 JaMa: http://shr.pastebin.com/d2eeae108 Nov 13 18:04:05 update-alternatives: Removing //bin/kill Nov 13 18:04:05 update-alternatives: Linking //bin/kill to kill.coreutils Nov 13 18:04:05 update-alternatives: Removing //bin/ln Nov 13 18:04:05 /usr/sbin/update-alternatives: line 193: ln: not found Nov 13 18:04:30 mrmoku: and last 3 aren't installed irc Nov 13 18:05:04 root@om-gta02 /etc/opkg $ opkg list_installed | grep kernel-module | grep snd | awk '{ print $1 }' Nov 13 18:05:07 kernel-module-snd-mixer-oss Nov 13 18:05:10 kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss Nov 13 18:05:12 kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 18:05:15 kernel-module-snd-usb-audio Nov 13 18:11:14 mrmoku: thats the problem why you have unresolved symbols.. Nov 13 18:11:34 mrmoku: RDEPENDs is autogenerated in kernel.bbclass Nov 13 18:11:52 you can read python better than me.. Nov 13 18:11:54 remove kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss Nov 13 18:13:48 probably even kernel-module-snd-*-oss Nov 13 18:14:45 OSS is deprecated, and shouldn't ship in default or minimal Nov 13 18:14:45 DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, but not me... bitbake as we want sane images without them :) Nov 13 18:16:08 mrmoku: found anothere bug in update-alternative.. which needs to be fixed and image rebuilt Nov 13 18:19:16 JaMa: how comes you think I can read and understand python :P Nov 13 18:20:49 hmm with my python knowledge.. its just lucky guess :P Nov 13 18:21:23 :) Nov 13 18:26:01 mrmoku, how's the image going? Nov 13 18:26:22 yeah, how? Nov 13 18:26:30 DocScrutinizer-8, ^ :) Nov 13 18:27:17 mrmoku: pushed Nov 13 18:27:29 mrmoku, btw, DocScrutinizer-8 is right, we shouldn't ship with oss. Nov 13 18:27:37 JaMa: ok, should I clean and rebuild kernel before the image? Nov 13 18:27:55 mrmoku: this only fixes update-alternatives.. Nov 13 18:28:27 mrmoku: if you reinstal busybox you would end up without links again... Nov 13 18:28:56 mrmoku: as first step in recreating /usr/bin/ln is remove /usr/bin/ln and then call ln.. Nov 13 18:29:22 * JaMa 's fault again :/ Nov 13 18:30:22 TAsn: grrmmpf... it is not that someone decided to ship images with oss :| Nov 13 18:31:26 mrmoku, I know, I'm just saying we should probably drop them. Nov 13 18:32:05 TAsn: then tell us how :) Nov 13 18:32:22 we're trying to understand what's going on... Nov 13 18:32:33 and kernel.bbclass is no easy lecture :P Nov 13 18:32:38 old mplayer builds use only oss Nov 13 18:32:43 mrmoku, just add rm -rf *oss* to do_rootfs, duh... Nov 13 18:32:55 j/k :) Nov 13 18:33:03 JaMa, we shouldn't use old mplayer builds anyway. Nov 13 18:33:12 TAsn: not just that we have to much oss... we have to few alsa too ;) Nov 13 18:33:13 JaMa, what about alsa, we got decent alsa, right? Nov 13 18:33:14 before removing oss from image we need to remove all crapy apps which doesn't understand that oss is no more.. Nov 13 18:33:39 JaMa, it's *base* image we are talking about Nov 13 18:33:42 not repos Nov 13 18:33:50 JaMa: no, we have to let them just fail... as oss is _evil_ on gta02 Nov 13 18:33:54 TAsn: yes.. shr-full-image.. Nov 13 18:34:08 mrmoku: see mplayer-common package.. Nov 13 18:34:27 mrmoku: only reason for this recipe in OE is to set ao=oss for embedded devices.. Nov 13 18:34:41 JaMa, what uses oss in the full image? Nov 13 18:35:09 # You probably shouldn't touch these Nov 13 18:35:09 ac=mad, Nov 13 18:35:09 ao=oss, Nov 13 18:35:35 thas why I removed mplayer-common from mplayer_svn and mplayer_git depends Nov 13 18:36:06 mrmoku: building kernel with debug enabled.. Nov 13 18:36:09 JaMa: why not just add a different mplayer.conf? Nov 13 18:36:16 override for shr? Nov 13 18:36:16 i'm back Nov 13 18:36:36 mrmoku: that's what I did.. also put it in CONFFILES in mplayer bbs directly.. Nov 13 18:36:49 ok Nov 13 18:36:49 mrmoku: no need for mplayer-common.bb just for mplayer.conf file :) Nov 13 18:37:15 i hope its still there.. I did it for shr/import.. Nov 13 18:37:38 ah shit .. its not :/ Nov 13 18:38:08 mrmoku, shr/import is DEAD right? Nov 13 18:38:26 I mean, we don't commit anything there, right? Nov 13 18:38:43 right Nov 13 18:40:19 TAsn: I did it long time ago.. Nov 13 18:40:27 TAsn: but its still missing in shr/merge.. Nov 13 18:40:29 I figured Nov 13 18:40:43 JaMa, please do a git diff to make sure we got everything ;) Nov 13 18:40:47 mrmoku, cool, just making sure. Nov 13 18:40:48 there is still lots of forgotten hacks in shr/import .. Nov 13 18:40:54 TAsn: haha Nov 13 18:41:01 TAsn: git diff is hure Nov 13 18:41:03 huge Nov 13 18:41:04 JaMa, oh :| Nov 13 18:41:12 sucks. Nov 13 18:41:22 TAsn: git diff org.openembedded.dev is much better for reading :) Nov 13 18:42:28 TAsn: I can spot few my changes which weren't moved.. but others patches I cannot say if oe.dev version is better or if the change in shr/import is still usefull Nov 13 18:43:15 TAsn: last big fail was in gpe-icons :) which weren't changed to use update-alternatives and then gpe-theme-neo removed them all... Nov 13 18:44:19 guys, sorry away again: mrmoku , try s/-/_/ for the sound autoload_modules stuff in om-gta02.conf Nov 13 18:44:20 JaMa, I'm so glad we are going the right way (update-alternatives), the hacks before that were hellish. Nov 13 18:44:29 update-alternatives is the correct way to do it. Nov 13 18:44:59 ive see a case where hyphens were bad and it needed all underscores Nov 13 18:45:28 and it included the correct modules in my image... Nov 13 18:46:41 TAsn: not really.. it works great for individual files Nov 13 18:46:51 TAsn: but still tricky for dirs Nov 13 18:47:07 JaMa, why? Nov 13 18:47:12 it's only a link Nov 13 18:47:14 what's the difference? Nov 13 18:47:23 ehm i tried to recieve a call Nov 13 18:47:27 TAsn: gpe-icons are still broken by that.. because every app can put its icon to /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps Nov 13 18:47:35 after rejecting it, the screen went blurry Nov 13 18:47:44 and vibration continued for some like 10 seconds Nov 13 18:47:47 TAsn: so if you set the link to right(TM) dir you want Nov 13 18:47:57 TAsn: opkg install some gpe app with own icon Nov 13 18:48:12 TAsn: install another theme which updates link to that theme Nov 13 18:48:29 TAsn: then icon for that app is lost in wrong alternative Nov 13 18:48:36 JaMa, ouch. Nov 13 18:48:49 ehm i/o error on memory card :S Nov 13 18:48:53 damn Nov 13 18:48:59 TAsn: and that happens in shr-full-image quite a lot :( Nov 13 18:49:26 JaMa, There's probably a way to tell illume there are a couple of icon dirs Nov 13 18:49:35 we should just make a dir for default images Nov 13 18:49:45 and a dir for theme images Nov 13 18:50:05 TAsn: I was ready to replace update-alternative to dir with update-alternative for all files inside :).. which is overkill if you check how many files are there.. Nov 13 18:51:04 TAsn: I guess we need to change illume/gpe to support merged dirs (like theme dir first and if not found there use default dir) Nov 13 18:51:05 JaMa, NO. Nov 13 18:51:06 :) Nov 13 18:51:18 JaMa, exactly. Nov 13 18:51:22 until that, we should just drop it. Nov 13 18:51:49 i.e just "live" with the bug Nov 13 18:51:56 of installing files to the wrong dir. Nov 13 18:52:06 TAsn: btw there is another issure with it :) Nov 13 18:52:11 JaMa, ? Nov 13 18:52:42 if that app is installed BEFORE gpe-icons (which createse gpe-icons.gpe-icons directory for default) Nov 13 18:52:57 then pixmap directory is created instead of link in that place Nov 13 18:53:09 sucks. :| Nov 13 18:53:38 so before update-alternatives I do: mv pixmaps pixmaps.old and echo warning that pixmaps.old should be merged to your alternative and then removed Nov 13 18:54:09 btw bash -x with for cycle is ugly :) Nov 13 18:54:26 it writtes that for ... line between each iteration Nov 13 18:54:44 and kernel.bbclass that for line is really long :) Nov 13 18:55:14 with :set nowrap its readable though Nov 13 18:56:23 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/13/google-chrome-os-to-launch-within-a-week/ Nov 13 18:56:33 mrmoku: nothing usefull in bitbake debug output.. I'll hack something to kernel.bbclass instead Nov 13 18:57:20 * JaMa hopes that chrome isn't as bad as android is.. Nov 13 18:57:58 JaMa, hehe yeah. Nov 13 18:58:12 I just hope it'll make nvidia and ATI finally produce decent drivers. Nov 13 18:58:13 :) Nov 13 18:59:00 * JaMa cares only about nvidia :) Nov 13 18:59:16 TAsn: Linux support for ATi cards is decent. Nov 13 18:59:41 * Weiss wonders what people think is wrong with the NVidia propietary drivers (honest question) Nov 13 18:59:48 Weiss: ... Nov 13 18:59:52 they're non-free Nov 13 18:59:58 Weiss, I use them, they are not *that* stable. Nov 13 19:00:03 nvidia geforce 440 mox Nov 13 19:00:08 which results in a non-free kernel Nov 13 19:00:10 not to mention illegal Nov 13 19:00:10 s/mox/mx/ Nov 13 19:00:12 TAsn meant: nvidia geforce 440 mx Nov 13 19:00:33 the whole point to GNU/Linux is a free OS Nov 13 19:00:36 hmm.. never had stability issues personally, and I use them quite hard Nov 13 19:00:39 why illegal? Nov 13 19:00:44 which is defeated by a proprietary fork of Linux Nov 13 19:00:49 Weiss: Linux is GPL-2 Nov 13 19:00:56 when I try to turn activate my alternative screen they sometime freeze X (actually just make it really slow) Nov 13 19:01:02 * Weiss knows this :) Nov 13 19:01:04 the copyright terms specifically say that derived works must be GPL-2 as well Nov 13 19:01:41 yep Nov 13 19:01:45 Linux is monolithic, so there is no such thing as a kernel-level non-derived-work Nov 13 19:02:15 especially ati Nov 13 19:02:17 but they get round this by creating an abstraction layer (which IS a derived work, but is GPL2 also), then building the driver on that Nov 13 19:02:22 playya__: huh? Nov 13 19:02:22 Weiss: I like nouveau with KMS.. but 3D peformance there is too low for switch from nvidia-drivers :/ Nov 13 19:02:30 Weiss: they can't do that. Nov 13 19:02:49 Weiss: that abstraction layer, as you admit, must be GPL-2. which means it CANNOT link to a blob Nov 13 19:03:23 they do a dual licence thing I think..? Nov 13 19:03:35 Weiss: they can't dual license derived works Nov 13 19:03:59 why not? Nov 13 19:04:10 because it's derived, not merely linked Nov 13 19:04:20 * Weiss is just playing devil's advocate here. I'm not any happier about the situation than you.. Nov 13 19:04:35 shrug Nov 13 19:04:40 hehe proprietary drivers fight is better than complains about shr-image :) Nov 13 19:04:41 the legal side is kinda irrelevant IMO Nov 13 19:04:48 except if someone gets off their butt and sues nVidia Nov 13 19:04:59 either way, it's a proprietary fork of Linux Nov 13 19:05:08 and defeats the whole point of GNU/Linux Nov 13 19:06:01 I hear (way too often) people complaining about how the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL thing excludes propietary drivers and how they had to go poking around in symbol tables Nov 13 19:06:14 I wish I knew at the time to explain to them that the latter part of that is illegal Nov 13 19:06:39 Weiss, anyhow, the ATI drivers aren't perfect as well. Nov 13 19:06:51 Weiss: EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL doesn't mean what a lot of people thing it does Nov 13 19:07:08 and to tell you the truth, it's not fun that I have to wait for nvidia to compile their drivers for new X versions every time. Nov 13 19:07:09 (EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL isn't just a selfish "Nah nah, you can't use this unless you're GPL", it's a specific hint that the author thinks that use of the symbol would constitute creating a derived work) Nov 13 19:07:10 * JaMa thinks that ATI dropped support for newer xorg-servers too early for their legacy drivers.. Nov 13 19:07:12 TAsn: my Radeon X850 runs just fine with a free OS Nov 13 19:07:22 Weiss: not quite Nov 13 19:07:26 luke-jr, just fine is not enough for crysis Nov 13 19:07:40 luke-jr: hmm? Nov 13 19:08:36 Weiss, the biggest issue is probably it being non free, but the flakey support with some of the cards and that fact that some stuff are broken is also annoying. Nov 13 19:08:46 not to mention that I have to wait for them to compile stuff for newer xorg Nov 13 19:08:56 (the reason I'm not updating my box to the newest xorg atm is nvidia) Nov 13 19:09:02 mrmoku: and I've rebuilt linux-openmoko-shr-drm-devel twice now without error, can you send me log? Nov 13 19:09:41 JaMa: just a heads up that I might make life interesting for you in a few hours by merging the waitqueue stuff in.. Nov 13 19:10:19 TAsn: coleague at work has some not so old ATI X1900.. which is supported only in legacy drivers where even xorg-server-1.6* is too new Nov 13 19:10:53 TAsn: and OS drivers are so slow that he cannot play his favourite enemy-territory :) Nov 13 19:10:53 Weiss, see what I mean? :| Nov 13 19:11:15 TAsn: Radeon Free drivers, you mean? Nov 13 19:11:26 Weiss: nice.. I'll test asap :) Nov 13 19:11:31 Weiss, no, about ATI dropping support and everyone got **** Nov 13 19:11:39 * DocScrutinizer thinks a lot of kernel devels have stupid notion of forcing hw manufacturers to open up their driver code, if only the devels could set up a situation where it's impossible for the manufs to publish any proprietary blob Nov 13 19:11:43 JaMa, thanks god my 9800pro died and I had to go back to my old geforce4 Nov 13 19:11:43 JaMa: sorry... had to read a good night story :P Nov 13 19:11:50 otherwise I'd have to make a default decision. Nov 13 19:11:58 will rebuild the kernel and paste the logs Nov 13 19:12:07 or do you want them without rebuild? Nov 13 19:12:07 that's a silly childish hope though Nov 13 19:12:30 TAsn: he cannot even upgrade from ubuntu 8.10 to 9.x because of that :) Nov 13 19:12:35 lol. Nov 13 19:12:39 damn API. Nov 13 19:12:43 ATI* Nov 13 19:12:45 TAsn: yeah.. I'd have to agree. but progress on the Free driver is rapid.. there's some really interesting stuff going on in DRI/Mesa land right now Nov 13 19:12:50 TAsn: and building xorg-server-1.5 in 9.04 was quite a pain.. Nov 13 19:12:55 Weiss, I know. Nov 13 19:13:07 I just wish we'll be able to drop the proprietary crap already. Nov 13 19:13:42 mrmoku: its ok... I hope that kids like the story about Neo the hero.. :) Nov 13 19:13:45 though I really think nvidia + ATI can put a little more effort into helping the open source drivers Nov 13 19:13:47 :) Nov 13 19:14:02 JaMa: which one of the logs is of interest? Nov 13 19:14:16 mrmoku: I don't know where it failed for you.. Nov 13 19:14:21 furthermore, I really think next time I'll buy a pc it'll be with a decent graphics card that has vendor support for it's open drivers. Nov 13 19:14:23 DocScrutinizer: true. when I choose which licence to use for my own code, I consider whether I'd be happy with people doing the things allowed by the licence. usually, I decide I'd be unhappy with people using it in a propetary manner. for (say) OpenMooCow, I decided I'd be unhappy with someone locking the poor cow in DRM, so I chose GPL3. I don't always reach the same conclusions. It's not an ideological thing, just a personal one. Nov 13 19:14:32 mrmoku: probably do_compile and do_install Nov 13 19:14:37 [20:09] JaMa | mrmoku: and I've rebuilt linux-openmoko-shr-drm-devel twice now without error, can you send me log? Nov 13 19:14:47 it does not fail though Nov 13 19:14:54 Weiss, I agree. Nov 13 19:14:55 better no drivers than proprietary drivers Nov 13 19:14:56 ahh... drm Nov 13 19:14:59 sorry Nov 13 19:15:00 :) Nov 13 19:15:02 That's why I sometimes release my code as GPL Nov 13 19:15:06 sometimes as BSD Nov 13 19:15:06 mrmoku: shr-kms dir is still not on web.. Nov 13 19:15:10 and sometimes as I don't know what. Nov 13 19:15:14 DRM as in Digital Restrictions Management, not Direct Rendering Manager * Nov 13 19:15:17 :) Nov 13 19:15:40 mrmoku, concerning that, I really think we should license libphoneui as BSD Nov 13 19:15:44 or at least LGPL Nov 13 19:15:48 JaMa: huh, what is that? Nov 13 19:15:48 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-kms$ ls tmp/work/ Nov 13 19:15:48 all-oe-linux-gnueabi armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi x86_64-linux Nov 13 19:15:56 as I don't mind people using proprietary modules with it. Nov 13 19:16:04 which perhaps leads onto an interesting licence considering for xf86-video-glamo, which we'll have to face at some point Nov 13 19:16:19 or companies using it in their phones. Nov 13 19:16:41 TAsn: LGPL should be fine then, no? Nov 13 19:16:54 but whatever... I don't care that much... Nov 13 19:17:20 JaMa: ahh, now I remember... it did not even come to the point of kernel building Nov 13 19:17:31 * mrmoku retriggering build to see where it fails Nov 13 19:17:49 mrmoku, kinda, as I also don't mind if they'll adapt it for their use Nov 13 19:17:53 so maybe CC is better. Nov 13 19:18:00 though at least lgpl is way better than gpl. Nov 13 19:19:34 I feel like an idiot. Nov 13 19:19:53 my mathematical logic h.w are so idiotic it's insulting Nov 13 19:20:06 They give me 4 vars with different T/F values Nov 13 19:20:46 and "sentences" (no idea how to translate) Nov 13 19:20:59 and they just want me to say whether the sentences are true or false Nov 13 19:21:12 i.e, a matter of comparing them to the truth tables Nov 13 19:21:16 bah. Nov 13 19:21:49 better no drivers than proprietary ) Are you nuts? You don't need to use any driver you don't like Nov 13 19:21:53 TAsn: need help? :P Nov 13 19:22:48 DocScrutinizer, no idea who said that, but I agree with you. ;) Nov 13 19:22:48 oh, luke-jr said. Nov 13 19:22:48 luke-jr, you are nuts :) Nov 13 19:22:55 mrmoku, I should probably write a nice app that just solves this crap Nov 13 19:22:57 JaMa: /home/shr/shr-kms/openembedded/recipes/module-init-tools/module-init-tools-cross_3.2.2.bb Nov 13 19:23:00 is the failing one Nov 13 19:23:04 actually a nice idea ;) Nov 13 19:23:24 parses and "solves" logical sentences Nov 13 19:23:28 I'll just have to copy paste Nov 13 19:23:29 JaMa: log is http://shr.pastebin.com/d4b8cd7db Nov 13 19:25:09 btw with hacked kernel.bbclass output... Nov 13 19:25:10 ERROR: basename: snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753, autoload: snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 19:25:13 ERROR: writting: snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 to /home/projects/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/work/om-gta02-oe-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-shr-drm-devel-2.6.29-drm-oe14+gitr3+c848d00bd43c47e7f11724330380e0c68ec7ae5e-r2/image/etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Nov 13 19:25:28 it looks good.. but maybe its lost from image.. Nov 13 19:25:38 maybe stagging changes in oe.dev Nov 13 19:30:21 mrmoku: thats strange.. could you update repo, clean module-init-tools-cross and run again? Nov 13 19:33:30 JaMa: ok Nov 13 19:44:02 JaMa: looks like it built now... Nov 13 19:45:45 and I've probably found error in kernel.bbclass ;) Nov 13 19:46:03 :D Nov 13 19:46:12 JaMa: then I can stop the build? Nov 13 19:46:56 no.. Nov 13 19:47:15 but virtual/kernel should be rebuilt after fix .. all 3 Nov 13 19:53:35 Slyon|away, it works nicely right? (talking about libphone-ui compiling withouth libframeworkd-glib) I wanna debug something :) Nov 13 19:56:23 * Weiss moves fence handling to IRQ bottom half, adds lockdep annotation and so on Nov 13 19:56:35 this definitely qualifies as the scariest piece of kernel code I've written yet Nov 13 19:59:15 :) Nov 13 20:01:27 * mrmoku is waiting for mickeyl to ack the python-native fix to be able to build stuff on his notebook :) Nov 13 20:24:19 mrmoku: I hacked around the kernel-modules problem.. but its so ugly that we should wait for RP correct fix.. Nov 13 20:28:29 DocScrutinizer: hallo. I am currently looking a bit at maemo sdk. seems interesting. dbus, regular linux stuff. very more appealing than android reivent the wheel everywhere way Nov 13 20:29:24 DocScrutinizer: as the n900 is a possible target for me for xmas, I hope you will share with me your impressions if you get one of them ;-) Nov 13 20:30:21 mrmoku, any eta for fixing index in messages app? :) Nov 13 20:30:55 * TAsn is going to look in trac a bit, just to see how stuff is going :) Nov 13 20:30:59 onen|openBmap: sure I'll do. But I'm still waiting as most of regular mortals Nov 13 20:31:23 DocScrutinizer: your not a regular one, you are *the* Doc! Nov 13 20:32:03 DocScrutinizer: I am thinking about getting multiple phones, to be able to log for obm all the networks at the same time. Nov 13 20:32:43 DocScrutinizer: but defintely, I want *a* phone which works for everyday life. and that I can hack. and android... well have to relearn everything kind of :-( Nov 13 20:33:11 mrmoku, btw, I don't know if you noticed, but we can now set headset scenario from libphone-ui, we just need a button :) Nov 13 20:33:43 TAsn: (index) as soon as I can build again... Nov 13 20:34:00 DocScrutinizer: palm pre battery life is bad, and FSO/SHR on top of it is not ready. Nov 13 20:34:24 mrmoku, yay :) Nov 13 20:37:37 JaMa: for what it's worth... kms kernel finished to build Nov 13 20:37:49 and new image almost too Nov 13 20:39:30 mrmoku: kernel modules will be wrong.. Nov 13 20:40:00 JaMa, you are too optimistic. ;) Nov 13 20:40:10 mrmoku: no dependency for other modules because depmod parsing in kernel.bbclass is broken because of changed layout.. Nov 13 20:40:19 mrmoku: so too few modules in image Nov 13 20:40:31 interesting.. with IRQ handling done properly (with a tasklet), frame rate goes up by 2-3fps Nov 13 20:40:49 mrmoku, the issue with sim auth is now fixed, right? Nov 13 20:41:12 TAsn: I just spend about 2 hours trying to find whats wrong.. now I know but its no use.. because I have no idea how to fix it properly Nov 13 20:41:21 :) Nov 13 20:41:24 what's wrong? Nov 13 20:42:02 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=29c7d3351f43678c6e93b707b301832009f64b31 Nov 13 20:42:22 20:48:17 < JaMa> def get_dependencies(file, pattern, format): gets file parametr in form like this: /home/projects/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/work/om-gta02-oe-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-shr-drm-devel-2.6.29-drm-oe14+gitr3+c848d00bd43c47e7f11724330380e0c68ec7ae5e-r2/package/lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-drm/kernel/net/ipv6/sit.ko Nov 13 20:42:27 20:49:01 < JaMa> but then in "if module_deps.has_key(file):" is checked against same file but without builddir prefix so something like /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-drm/kernel/net/ipv6/sit.ko Nov 13 20:42:32 20:49:42 < JaMa> so "if module_deps.has_key(file):" returns nothing an RDEPENDS for needed modules ins't right then Nov 13 20:42:40 that's from kernel.bbclass Nov 13 20:43:25 simillar problem why /etc/modutils/* files are not packed to ipks Nov 13 20:44:44 paintball match and first try with kite tomorrow will fix my mind :) Nov 13 20:45:27 TangoGPS is back up to the proper speed now Nov 13 20:45:34 thanks to everyone who tested earlier Nov 13 20:45:35 Weiss, what was the issue? Nov 13 20:46:01 JaMa: yeah, saw that in #oe Nov 13 20:46:18 mrmoku: so better image later after RP fix.. Nov 13 20:46:33 TAsn: I was doing *way* too much work in the interrupt handler. combined with the fps going up slightly just now, I suspect that Glamo slows down if its interrupts are masked (maybe) Nov 13 20:46:38 probably better... Nov 13 20:46:38 but that's speculation Nov 13 20:47:04 mrmoku: at least not known broken Nov 13 20:47:16 mrmoku, what about my Q? (is sim auth fixed?) Nov 13 20:47:25 'cron' seems to be taking up a lot of CPU time.. anyone know why? Nov 13 20:47:35 Weiss, i c. cool ;) Nov 13 20:47:53 TAsn: it somehow works... as long as you enter the correct pin on first try ;) Nov 13 20:48:23 lol. Nov 13 20:48:30 any plans on fixing that? Nov 13 20:48:43 Weiss: I urgently recommend to do next to nothing inside actual IRQ handler - i.e. do bare minimum to service IRQ. Then trigger a soft-interrupt or whatever way schedule a worker task that does heavy computing Nov 13 20:48:52 yeah, I better fix that... Nov 13 20:49:07 TAsn: another problem is that the dialogs are somehow wrong Nov 13 20:49:19 why is that? Nov 13 20:49:24 it gave me the 'no SIM' dialog instead of the 'SIM full' dialog Nov 13 20:49:49 DocScrutinizer-8: yep, that's what I made it do in the last hour. nothing other than acknowledge the IRQ and schedule a tasklet Nov 13 20:49:52 JaMa|Off: thanks for your hard work :) Nov 13 20:50:17 mrmoku, :| Nov 13 20:51:53 DocScrutinizer-8: IRQ handler is now only seven lines, of which: one delcaration, four of sanity checking, two of actual Stuff Nov 13 20:52:01 mrmoku, we got vala in feed, right? Nov 13 20:52:09 (not vala-native, but vala) Nov 13 20:52:21 Weiss: that's the way it should be :-) Nov 13 20:54:52 I have severe doubts all the FIQ IRQs are as sane as that Nov 13 20:55:16 you can hardly do anything in a FIQ, though? Nov 13 20:55:32 no virtual memory, for example (according to Andy's blog a while ago) Nov 13 20:55:38 Weiss: please rephrase Nov 13 20:55:46 aah Nov 13 20:56:21 because FIQs can't be masked, no matter what, and might end up happening while the kernel is doing critical pagetable shuffling Nov 13 20:56:58 yep, and you also shouldn't block the whole sheduling and same prio level IRQ by lengthy polls or conversions or whatever in a FIQ as well Nov 13 20:57:36 mrmoku: just pushed 1 fix and 1 revert.. you can rebuild all kernels now :) Nov 13 20:58:07 I doubt bq27k FIQ is conforming to that principles Nov 13 20:58:24 mrmoku: not sure if it can break some other stuff but that revert worked for me in kernel recipes Nov 13 20:59:05 now really off.. Nov 13 20:59:42 anyway BQ27k readout has impact on vibrator pwm FIQ, and that's wrong for sure Nov 13 21:00:30 and I suspect also is the reason for the sporadic readout fails on bat CC Nov 13 21:01:07 hmm Nov 13 21:01:12 err, fails on readout of CC Nov 13 21:04:28 DocScrutinizer-8: thats already fixed in the 2.6.31 branch Nov 13 21:04:41 ohh... :) Nov 13 21:05:15 larsc: really? how? band aid? or found the root cause? Nov 13 21:05:31 used a different timer for the fiq Nov 13 21:06:09 lol, was it used by multiple unrelated FIQ? Nov 13 21:07:28 by vibrator and hdq Nov 13 21:07:35 the vibrator is using hw pwm now Nov 13 21:08:07 TAsn: (vala) I think we removed it as it conflicted somehow... Nov 13 21:08:12 don't remember exactly Nov 13 21:08:16 larsc: cool :-) Nov 13 21:08:40 mrmoku, so I missed my change to mark it as fixed and go hide somewhere ;| Nov 13 21:08:43 well, close enough. Nov 13 21:09:10 mrmoku, main goals in my pov: Nov 13 21:09:26 1) make the dialog frames work (do they? never tested) Nov 13 21:09:51 TAsn: what are dialog frames? Nov 13 21:09:55 2) make the messages/contacts apps reload when a new message/contact arrive Nov 13 21:10:04 3) start caching those windows. Nov 13 21:10:09 yep, we need a solution for reloading Nov 13 21:10:15 mrmoku, the notification dialog. Nov 13 21:10:21 mrmoku, in messages it's rather easy Nov 13 21:10:29 just add it at the top Nov 13 21:10:38 s/at/to/ Nov 13 21:10:38 TAsn meant: just add it to the top Nov 13 21:10:46 well... Nov 13 21:10:57 first comes to get notified... Nov 13 21:11:03 mrmoku, that's easy Nov 13 21:11:11 opimd omits a signal Nov 13 21:11:17 "NewMessage" Nov 13 21:11:19 or something like that Nov 13 21:11:24 (shr-today listens to that iirc) Nov 13 21:11:31 so we'll have to get it anyway ;] Nov 13 21:11:54 TAsn: and who listens? Nov 13 21:12:21 what do you mean to who listens? phonefsod should listen to it Nov 13 21:12:54 and the call a dbus message to let phoneuid know there's a new message. Nov 13 21:12:57 so we need API for it Nov 13 21:13:00 yes. Nov 13 21:13:09 btw, we also need api for idle_screen Nov 13 21:13:23 yeah Nov 13 21:13:26 as Slyon|away is working hard on porting shr-today to libphone-ui-shr Nov 13 21:13:27 :) Nov 13 21:15:21 And I also need to finish the volume bar thingie Nov 13 21:15:49 I should figure out this fd polling glib integration (probably easy as hell, should just give it a go when I have time) Nov 13 21:16:37 ahh... forgot about that one :P Nov 13 21:16:44 should be easy, yes Nov 13 21:16:50 should be very easy ;) Nov 13 21:17:37 should be almost as easy as your homework ;) Nov 13 21:18:25 actually, my h.w proved to be a lot more difficult than I expected! I'm supposed to submit it online, though the system doesn't work :) Nov 13 21:18:46 hehe Nov 13 21:19:36 that's what you get for working with proprietary lame non standard supporting systems... Nov 13 21:20:58 s/supporting/compliant/ Nov 13 21:20:59 TAsn meant: that's what you get for working with proprietary lame non standard compliant systems... Nov 13 21:38:58 does anyone have x11perf handy on their OM? Nov 13 21:39:18 I'd like to know your number for x11perf -copywinwin100 Nov 13 21:40:12 Weiss, sec, I'm installing it. Nov 13 21:40:17 I just hope it won't take long. Nov 13 21:41:02 it'd be good if you could check 'top' at the same time Nov 13 21:41:16 4000 reps @ 1.2542 msec ( 797.0/sec): Copy 100x100 from window to window Nov 13 21:41:16 4000 reps @ 1.2392 msec ( 807.0/sec): Copy 100x100 from window to window Nov 13 21:42:05 1364 root 19 -1 17244 7052 2348 R 91.0 5.8 7:06.41 Xorg Nov 13 21:42:17 1364 root 19 -1 17244 7052 2348 R 94.8 5.8 7:18.76 Xorg Nov 13 21:42:29 ok, good - as expected Nov 13 21:42:34 what? Nov 13 21:42:39 what are your results? Nov 13 21:42:43 I get 750ish/sec with 30%ish CPU Nov 13 21:43:29 what does it say for the Sync time adjustment thingy? Nov 13 21:43:38 Sync time adjustment is 2.9735 msecs. Nov 13 21:43:59 yours? Nov 13 21:44:23 2.7-2.9ish Nov 13 21:44:58 I have a nice bug at the moment where things get one step out of sync, which pushes the numbers in all the wrong directions, so it's hard to test exactly Nov 13 21:45:09 i c. Nov 13 21:45:56 so you got cpu times wayyy better, but it's slower ;| Nov 13 21:46:30 only by a teensy bit Nov 13 21:46:35 yep. Nov 13 21:46:42 and if you do things that involve more processing, it actually gets faster Nov 13 21:47:14 (which is what we should be doing, and I suspect is what's making GTK go so slowly) Nov 13 21:47:57 what about -copywinwin10? Nov 13 21:48:11 I bet my numbers are a lot lower there Nov 13 21:48:21 (2700-2800/sec) Nov 13 21:49:02 24000 reps @ 0.2180 msec ( 4590.0/sec): Copy 10x10 from window to window Nov 13 21:49:12 :| Nov 13 21:49:56 fear not... it's reasonably easy to have the driver make a judgement about what strategy to use Nov 13 21:50:56 :) Nov 13 21:51:03 what about 500? Nov 13 21:51:27 hang on, I'll have to reboot to unstick my waitqueue Nov 13 21:51:36 200 reps @ 27.4186 msec ( 36.5/sec): Copy 500x500 from window to window Nov 13 21:51:37 here Nov 13 21:55:29 240 reps @ 23.8151 msec ( 42.0/sec): Copy 500x500 from window to window 240 reps @ 23.6891 msec ( 42.2/sec): Copy 500x500 from window to window Nov 13 21:55:32 ;) Nov 13 21:55:51 you win :) Nov 13 21:56:06 and the waitqueue fell out of sync again, so it might be lying Nov 13 21:56:18 I can do solid fills at full screen resolution at 51fps Nov 13 21:57:17 I don't feel like ssh ing to my moko again Nov 13 21:57:21 and checking that Nov 13 21:57:28 so I'll just go to bed Nov 13 21:57:29 night. Nov 13 21:57:31 hehe Nov 13 21:57:32 nn Nov 13 21:57:57 (I should add that 51fps is for a small test which sends commands direct to DRM) Nov 13 21:58:07 oh. Nov 13 21:59:01 that was my "can I make this work with 0% CPU" test program Nov 13 22:01:25 scrolling in Contacts feels noticeably faster Nov 13 22:01:47 even using software (not software_16) Nov 13 22:02:45 cool Nov 13 22:06:28 spaetzAFK, TAsn: we might have a good image now :) Nov 13 22:06:44 yay! Nov 13 22:07:06 * mrmoku booting now Nov 13 22:07:06 lite image on build host? Nov 13 22:07:09 yup Nov 13 22:07:37 yay :) Nov 13 22:07:51 onen|openBmap: # Data for 770 is updated. http://bit.ly/1a3kUe about 11 hours ago Nov 13 22:07:57 cool, i cant test anything today though. Nov 13 22:08:03 never heard of the country 770 ;) Nov 13 22:08:11 and ii´m gone Nov 13 22:08:16 arrghh Nov 13 22:09:02 and i´m gone tomorrow until sunday evening (family come together) Nov 13 22:09:07 mrmoku, let me know if it works :) Nov 13 22:09:34 any idea's wether opkg upgrade will work eventually? Nov 13 22:09:43 it will. Nov 13 22:09:51 no breakage to rule our FR's? Nov 13 22:10:14 I mean i've been able to run shr-u for months without having to reflash... it just doesn't feel the same like it used to :) Nov 13 22:10:21 should i post the release notes somewhere, so you can use them? Nov 13 22:10:32 Zorkman, because we change stuff all the time and shit piles up. Nov 13 22:10:33 :) Nov 13 22:10:40 spaetzAFK, shr-core Nov 13 22:11:10 Zorkman: hi! Nov 13 22:11:26 not on a box with mail, let me try sth Nov 13 22:11:36 llo onen|openBmap! Nov 13 22:11:48 Zorkman: how are things doing? Nov 13 22:12:04 mrmoku, well? :) Nov 13 22:12:13 I wanna know already. Nov 13 22:12:20 good, only way to long working days to do fun stuff :( 6-22/23 are long days Nov 13 22:12:32 and you onen|openBmap? Nov 13 22:12:40 I ran openbmap on my windows phone Nov 13 22:12:43 Zorkman: indeed Nov 13 22:12:50 TAsn, http://gist.github.com/233893 Nov 13 22:13:02 TAsn: moment Nov 13 22:13:03 spaetzAFK, thanks. :) Nov 13 22:13:08 here is the html of release notes Nov 13 22:13:19 Zorkman: pretty good. work is going at a regular pace, and I will try to release a new version of the client for the end of the year Nov 13 22:13:23 mrmoku, I was in bed Nov 13 22:13:30 can you send the to shr-core? Nov 13 22:13:38 and I came cause it beeped. ;) Nov 13 22:13:44 onen|openBmap: nice, looking forward to a new version! Nov 13 22:13:45 spaetzAFK, sure. Nov 13 22:13:51 thx Nov 13 22:13:55 Zorkman: what was the purpose of your previous comment about data for 770? Nov 13 22:14:02 onen|openBmap: it can see the GSM cell on WM 6.5 Nov 13 22:14:06 spaetz: you can remove your snd module hack again :) Nov 13 22:14:07 haven't been able to try with GPS on Nov 13 22:14:16 spaetz, thank you. :) Nov 13 22:14:27 TAsn: beep :P Nov 13 22:14:33 works? :))) Nov 13 22:14:38 we got an unstable image already?! Nov 13 22:14:39 :) Nov 13 22:14:41 finally!!!! Nov 13 22:14:42 Zorkman: and I am preparing xmas: what new phone will I buy myself! (looked a little bit at nokia n900 and maemo, following DocScrutinizer recommendation) Nov 13 22:14:46 TAsn: looks good so far Nov 13 22:14:54 mrmoku, please, save all the revs Nov 13 22:14:57 for testing Nov 13 22:15:10 can't do a lot of tests... but modules look sane now Nov 13 22:15:11 onen|openBmap: just that that message was posted on the twitter feed, and normally t should say the countries name, but now it stated "770" Nov 13 22:15:22 mrmoku, is snd now loaded without hack? Nov 13 22:15:38 spaetz: yep, /etc/modutils is populated correctly again Nov 13 22:15:44 onen|openBmap: true, n900 looks nice (haven't really looked into it deeply); I myself am considering an openpandora Nov 13 22:15:54 nice. Nov 13 22:16:16 spaetz: JaMaAtHome reverted one patch which broke things Nov 13 22:16:22 and image is small again too Nov 13 22:16:31 Zorkman: ah ok (770). this might be a matter of log format version sent. maybe a WM client or sth Nov 13 22:16:35 onen|openBmap: haven't been able to do a lot of logging lately :( Nov 13 22:16:35 seen git log Nov 13 22:16:38 mrmoku, please, save src revs Nov 13 22:16:39 though... it just suspended even while plugged in Nov 13 22:16:41 TAsn: nah Nov 13 22:16:47 Zorkman: openpandora does not work for openbmap :-P Nov 13 22:16:47 mrmoku, opkg list_installed > tasn Nov 13 22:16:49 :) Nov 13 22:16:53 please. Nov 13 22:17:01 TAsn: you have that on the buildhost Nov 13 22:17:09 onen|openBmap: haha, I know; but n900 won't pose a big challenge to port :p Nov 13 22:17:10 oh, right. ;) Nov 13 22:17:10 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20091113-om-gta02-testlab/installed-packages.txt Nov 13 22:17:11 Zorkman: you have no idea last time I did... (august) Nov 13 22:17:28 building the feed now... and going to bed :) Nov 13 22:17:28 Zorkman: lol :0D Nov 13 22:17:37 mrmoku, thanks. :) Nov 13 22:17:38 Zorkman: :-D Nov 13 22:17:40 mrmoku, yes, it will stick to whater power state it is while booting Nov 13 22:17:56 cool thanks mrmoku Nov 13 22:18:03 onen|openBmap: anyway, I have my motercycle drivers licence, will get a company bike in about 7months, hope to be doing a lot of logging with it! Nov 13 22:18:12 mrmoku, GREAT! :) Nov 13 22:18:24 when is the push to shr-unstable? Nov 13 22:18:34 Zorkman: people won't go to new places everyday. that's life. new contributors (may) bring a lot of new cells, but after a while it stagnates Nov 13 22:18:34 Zorkman: noooooo Nov 13 22:18:49 mrmoku: ? Nov 13 22:18:57 mrmoku, (push to unstable) yeah, when? Nov 13 22:19:00 * mrmoku checks stats Nov 13 22:19:07 Zorkman: a company bike? your company provides you with a bike? neat... Nov 13 22:19:09 Zorkman: nahh.. ok go ahead :P Nov 13 22:19:29 TAsn: tomorrow Nov 13 22:19:34 Zorkman, (company bike) never heard of a company that provides bikes. Nov 13 22:19:37 now its snoozie time :P Nov 13 22:19:41 onen|openBmap: true... we need more users, maybe actively promoting it for n900? Nov 13 22:19:47 heh, night Nov 13 22:19:48 and almost as important, when will we build testing? :) Nov 13 22:19:53 gnight all Nov 13 22:19:57 mrmoku, anyhow, I'll give it a test tomorrow. Nov 13 22:19:58 TAsn: my company hadn't heard of it either, I convinced them :) Nov 13 22:20:00 TAsn: testing will still take a moment Nov 13 22:20:03 mrmoku, night. Nov 13 22:20:04 night Nov 13 22:20:07 Zorkman, wow, you rock. Nov 13 22:20:10 night Nov 13 22:20:10 Zorkman, for real. Nov 13 22:20:16 night all, I'm also off. Nov 13 22:20:24 TAsn, night Nov 13 22:20:38 night Nov 13 22:20:40 TAsn: I'm currently spending 4hours going from and to work; it's in their interest if they want to keep me :) Nov 13 22:20:54 night TAsn Nov 13 22:21:18 Zorkman: I see. in paris area traffic jam is a nightmare, nevertheless, I Nov 13 22:21:36 Zorkman: have never heard of a company which provides a motorcylce... Nov 13 22:21:46 somebody has to start it :) Nov 13 22:21:51 Zorkman: right! Nov 13 22:22:14 car wouldn't really be an option for me, because the traffic around brussels is also too much Nov 13 22:22:24 besides, bikes are way cooler :D Nov 13 22:22:34 Zorkman: (n900). sure. My idea is to get a working phone for everyday life. but I want to be able to run obm on it, and use obm data Nov 13 22:23:01 I think N900 is (at the very least) very promissing... Nov 13 22:23:36 Zorkman: i am considering palm pre, n900, android, geeksphone Nov 13 22:24:11 for all i've read i'd go with the n900 I think Nov 13 22:24:28 palm pre just doesn't seem all that open to me btw Nov 13 22:25:04 Zorkman: I just had a look at maemo. it is so Linux (did some work stuff on Android lately). dbus, x server, debian, etc... android is doing everything from scratch (even their adb shell is anoying, when ssh/bash|zsh is your habit) Nov 13 22:25:30 yeah android doesn't really appeal to me either Nov 13 22:25:38 n900 can run debian for example in chroot Nov 13 22:26:14 maemo is a ubuntu system basically Nov 13 22:26:18 Zorkman: you look at maemo helloword: gtk, glib, all regular knowledge. also knowledge you may reuse for desktop work. android knowledge... well only on android platform... Nov 13 22:26:28 that's what I heard Nov 13 22:27:39 i'm trying the latest image on mrmoku/unstable Nov 13 22:27:48 port 22 is closed Nov 13 22:27:55 Zorkman: DocScrutinizer: I even had a look at the ofono stack. the git seems to move nicely forward. nevertheless at first glance, I am not sure what is (supposed) so different than fso was not an option for those guys Nov 13 22:28:42 NIH Nov 13 22:28:43 alright it was dropbear not started :) Nov 13 22:28:48 nothin else Nov 13 22:29:11 DocScrutinizer: yes, or BRRIWTY Nov 13 22:29:34 DocScrutinizer: Business Related Reasons I Won't Tell you Nov 13 22:29:53 DocScrutinizer: like copyright holder or sth Nov 13 22:30:22 yep Nov 13 22:31:34 DocScrutinizer: to be honnest, I felt sad, because nokia+intel will have a lot of manpower, while fso is held by mickeyl alone (not even speaking of supported appealing hardware here...) Nov 13 22:31:57 FSO is OM (somehow) and for maemo5 ofono stack Nokia needed to disclose modem specs of N900 to the ofono guys. Maybe they simply been reluctant to disclose to FSO/OM Nov 13 22:32:14 DocScrutinizer: and he did an enourmous lot of work Nov 13 22:33:27 DocScrutinizer: as said above, I am very much thinking the real reason is not technical at all. either NIH or some more business reason Nov 13 22:34:10 DocScrutinizer: did you hear of some n900+contract in Germany already? I haven't heard of anything like this in France so far... Nov 13 22:34:21 at least stskeeps / mer seems willing to adopt FSO Nov 13 22:35:11 DocScrutinizer: stskeeps? mer is the Free version of maemo, right? Nov 13 22:36:56 (mer) yep. (stskeeps) (one of?)the chief devels of mer Nov 13 22:37:33 DocScrutinizer: do you know if you can flash whatever on n900? Nov 13 22:38:39 sure you can. probably very few of that "whatever" will actually yield nice result when executed, but the devices are "completely open" Nov 13 22:39:09 * onen|openBmap is wondering what are the differences between mer and shr... Nov 13 22:39:24 small actually Nov 13 22:39:52 from a wider POV Nov 13 22:40:22 DocScrutinizer: do you know if some talks happened between both communities? Nov 13 22:40:46 as mentioned before, maemo/mer is based on debian/ubuntu, whereas OM is based on OE Nov 13 22:41:01 no idea Nov 13 22:41:17 i already flashed mer on my n800 Nov 13 22:41:39 hey doc, might if I ask you if there is an official "Doc approved" opinion about the openpandora Nov 13 22:41:42 e.g. speedevil is in #openmoko and #maemo, as is raster occasionally Nov 13 22:41:44 playya_: hallo :-) Nov 13 22:41:45 but launchpad doesn't allow arm builds yet. if its possible i try to provide a ppa for it Nov 13 22:41:50 hallo onen|openBmap Nov 13 22:42:36 Zorkman: I had a very close look at it some 9 months ago iirc Nov 13 22:43:11 Zorkman: alas I forgot about details beyond "nice device, but no GSM" Nov 13 22:43:13 and any thoughts you want to share (I didn't follow it all that closely in the past) Nov 13 22:43:20 lol :) Nov 13 22:43:35 DocScrutinizer: oh, and another point against android: I hate to get a stack where all the standard apps force me to go to big G. services only :-(( Nov 13 22:43:53 yep Nov 13 22:44:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r638ca85dee20 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: parse iso3361 list and augment countrylist w/ real name Nov 13 22:44:28 DocScrutinizer: well I hope you will run openbmap client once I have ported it to maemo ;-) Nov 13 22:44:49 I'll surely give it a try Nov 13 22:45:09 even during port, to help with debugging Nov 13 22:45:10 DocScrutinizer: and will complain that this is not the best algorithm ;-) :P Nov 13 22:45:21 hehehehe Nov 13 22:45:26 :D TA ftw? :) Nov 13 22:46:00 anyway gonna take a bath and read a bit Nov 13 22:46:08 take care all! Nov 13 22:46:09 Zorkman: no, too standard. We needs a new fancier way, to catch women... Nov 13 22:46:09 actually I seen a signal strength map color-coded yesterday. Thought about you and algo when looking at it Nov 13 22:46:21 Zorkman: bye Nov 13 22:46:41 onen|openBmap: when you need FR testers you know where to find me! Nov 13 22:46:52 DocScrutinizer: have a pointer? Nov 13 22:46:59 Zorkman: thanks! Nov 13 22:47:08 Zorkman: I even started writing unit tests Nov 13 22:47:09 onen|openBmap: btw: do you live in paris? (thought you lived in the west of france) Nov 13 22:47:13 onen|openBmap: fancier than a bath? ;-P Women like bathed men Nov 13 22:47:42 Zorkman: like real quality stuff :O (well probalby not that great tests, but had enough to retest everything for every release...) Nov 13 22:48:05 onen|openBmap: (map, ptr) was in tv. Actually I wonder how to find it in internet Nov 13 22:48:06 Zorkman: I do live in paris area, yes. Nov 13 22:48:22 damn, thought it was in the west of france, was in paris last week (work related) Nov 13 22:48:40 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's too sad, we always have to hide our real perfume behind cologne water :-( Nov 13 22:48:47 DocScrutinizer: ok. too bad. thanks Nov 13 22:48:54 next time we can maybe go for a drink :) Nov 13 22:48:59 bye! Nov 13 22:49:22 Zorkman: ah that's a pity indeed. I would for sure have met you with pleasure. Nov 13 22:49:31 Zorkman: bye. think about it next time! Nov 13 22:50:43 DocScrutinizer: ok go to bed. thanks for your proposal for help for obm on maemo. Nov 13 22:51:02 onen|openBmap: yw. nght! :-) Nov 13 22:51:23 DocScrutinizer: xmas comes fast, and my feeling tends towards n900 for now. so there is real possibility to see it happen... Nov 13 22:51:39 :-D Nov 13 22:52:17 DocScrutinizer: by the way, I may buy multiple phone for xmas, for multiple platforms... never better served than by self, right ;-) Nov 13 22:52:31 onen|openBmap: keep in mind Nokia seems to be short on devices for 11-25, so maybe order in time to get it on x-mas Nov 13 22:52:45 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rc5741bcd22a5 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add errors for MusicPlayer and MusicPlayer.Playlist Nov 13 22:52:47 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r2a41332618f0 10/org.freesmartphone.MusicPlayer/ (2 files): Fixed copy and paste error for MusicPlayer.* Nov 13 22:52:48 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rce7204d30ca9 10/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of fso:specs Nov 13 22:52:50 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r41cc73bdd9cf 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Nov 13 22:52:50 freesmartphone.org: Add MusicPlayer.Playlist.JumpTo method Nov 13 22:52:51 freesmartphone.org: Fix some typos Nov 13 22:53:49 DocScrutinizer: problem is, nokia phone may burn itself all my xmas phones budget :-S Nov 13 22:54:28 hmm, that's a recurring problem with xmas gifts Nov 13 22:54:37 i still think about the geekphone or the new motorola Nov 13 22:54:38 right Nov 13 22:55:18 playya_: both *seem* to be nice hw, but both have crappy OS Nov 13 22:55:36 playya_: me too. nevertheless would prefer another platform than android for everyday phone. may buy an android phone only for obm porting Nov 13 22:55:50 playya_: and I don't need another construction site in my pocket Nov 13 22:56:15 hmm. yes. palm pre is still an option Nov 13 22:56:28 DocScrutinizer: construction site? o Nov 13 22:56:47 palm pre has semi-usable OS, but I don't like the HW Nov 13 22:57:20 n900 is expensive Nov 13 22:58:22 and i think it's sold out until chrismas Nov 13 22:58:23 onen|openBmap: if I consider to make moto droid a decent device, I'd go the path of buying hw to help devels cranking up a decent OS on it (here some real linux) once again. I won't repeat that Nov 13 22:58:38 playya_: for me this is not so much a harware issue. more a software one. maemo seems very nice. it is a "Linux". Android reinvents everything, and I find it tiresome Nov 13 22:59:22 DocScrutinizer: I share your POV. Nov 13 23:00:57 DocScrutinizer: that is the reason I consider putting some money into a device which is nice hardware, and nice software. and *working* out of th eobx. if I can hack it easily with nice environment, tools. it is much better than 1 FR and one Android and one pre Nov 13 23:01:03 and honestly, I'd probably prefer a blackberry over any android phone Nov 13 23:01:42 onen|openBmap: exactly Nov 13 23:02:08 and never forget: maemo and mer are supposed to be 100% compatible Nov 13 23:02:10 DocScrutinizer: the geekphone is touted as being open. but for what I have found, beside the free for flash aspect, I don't see very much what the differences are with HTC, etc. android phones Nov 13 23:02:39 yep Nov 13 23:03:33 ""hey business dude. Toss me over a few nice buzzwords! What - >>open< DocScrutinizer: I have spent the year with fithting with my phone. I want to *use* it. and make cool stuff with it (and no, make suspend works does not count as cool stuff) Nov 13 23:04:04 DocScrutinizer: genau Nov 13 23:04:12 onen|openBmap: couldn't agree more Nov 13 23:05:24 DocScrutinizer: I remember back in 2003 I had to work with multiple phones. I only wanted 2 things: a small calendar for reminding stuff and appointments, and synchronisation with my desktop for contacts and calendar tasks. Nov 13 23:05:44 * DocScrutinizer away. weekend - time for a beer Nov 13 23:05:54 DocScrutinizer: 6 years later your are still mostly glued into proprietary works only with that specific OS and our specific crappy tool Nov 13 23:06:25 ok I am off too Nov 13 23:06:28 good night Nov 13 23:11:21 good night Nov 13 23:18:07 well, 1975 I dreamt of building a really strong CB-walkietalkie and extend my landline with that (didn't know about motoroller brick back when). And a nice little gadget to take my notes and remind me on dates just in time, and reliably Nov 13 23:18:25 kinda didn't come true til today Nov 13 23:31:56 I can't make the power button to work Nov 13 23:32:01 i'm using delayed actions Nov 13 23:32:19 [0.0 exec true][2.0 exec idle][5.0 syscon] Nov 13 23:32:40 idle is a custom script that sends idle_dim, idle_prelock and lock message to odeviced Nov 13 23:33:03 spaces are needed between square parenthesis? Nov 14 00:13:23 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07libfso-glib * rb744699ff3da 10/src/ (6 files): regen **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 14 02:59:56 2009