**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 10 02:59:56 2009 Dec 10 06:37:03 mrmoku: if i get errors running make image, should i then run make dist-clean, make update, edit my configs again, and then make image again ? Dec 10 06:43:12 gonzoism: well make dist-clean I don't think is something in the makefile Dec 10 06:43:24 gonzoism: and then it depends on what error you have Dec 10 06:44:01 gonzoism: normally you should take a look in the log... bitbake says something like: see Error log in.... Dec 10 06:49:30 gonzoism: yes. copy and paste works with vala-term and the SMS app Dec 10 06:54:59 mrmoku: I have a few patches for fltk that haven't yet made it upstream. Who do I give them to for them to make it into shr? Dec 10 06:57:20 budfive: did you send them to shr-devel? Dec 10 06:57:29 nope. this is my question. :) Dec 10 06:57:36 morning mrmoku. Dec 10 06:57:50 budfive: Ideally you propose them to the openembedded-devel list :-) Dec 10 06:57:59 ok. i can do that Dec 10 06:58:08 and once they are they it's a simple matter of updateing. That is the least for for us. Dec 10 06:58:29 Otherwise, sending to shr-devel and have us bug the OE guys to include it is the 2nd best option :) Dec 10 06:58:42 mrmoku: am I right with that? : Dec 10 06:58:59 spaetz_: either way. Dec 10 06:59:49 spaetz: it's basic input stuff. fltk has broken keyboard handling and incomplete mouse handling, so it should make it in. I'll send it to the oe list. thanks Dec 10 07:00:33 spaetz_: morning Dec 10 07:00:56 spaetz_: yep you're right... oe-devel is even better :) Dec 10 07:03:22 mrmoku: I updated the roadmap milestones on the wiki, but obviously I cannot decide what features should be taken care in what milestone. I would love to label a Milestone 1 very soon. This would not be a -stable version but basically just a git tag of the shr-testing branch. What do you think about that? Dec 10 07:04:25 I find it embarassing that we after more than a year we still have to write, "has never released anything" :-) Dec 10 07:05:03 plus I find that "basic phone functionality" (MS1) is kind of working :-) Dec 10 07:09:11 spaetz_: heh, yeah saw the mails postponing stuff to MS2 :P Dec 10 07:09:32 and yes... we should release something :| Dec 10 07:11:31 so is *now* the time to edit #openmoko channel topic? Dec 10 07:11:47 Doesn't have to be a long lived -stable branch. But a snapshot based on shr-testing (or shr-unstable), that works well enough for people who don't want to upgrade all the time, to flash something that they can keep Dec 10 07:13:17 what is the topic of #openmoko? Dec 10 07:13:56 spaetz, please have a look and edit URL of recommended as you feel is due Dec 10 07:15:16 SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. Recommended: old-images/shr-*--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.* Dec 10 07:15:35 DocScrutinizer51: ohh :) Dec 10 07:16:01 I'll point to latest shr-testing. I use that as a daily phone and it works really well here. Dec 10 07:17:01 so can you edit by deleting the recommended part. and replace Dec 10 07:17:18 SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. R Dec 10 07:17:22 by Dec 10 07:17:53 Recommended SHRmimage: foo-testing Dec 10 07:19:55 spaetz, thanks Dec 10 07:20:29 np Dec 10 07:24:05 mmh http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/704 Dec 10 07:24:18 frameworkd resets DNS server to 127.0.0.1 when stopping GPRS Dec 10 07:25:07 zoff's hot fix is to hardcode the opendns servers instead. which is certainly better than 127.0.0.1, but not ideal either. What do people think about that as a stop-gap measure? Dec 10 07:25:47 correct would be using resolvconf (or probably connman has something to offer here), of course Dec 10 07:29:49 correct would be to restore the backup of /etc/resolv.conf. NM is doing exactly that iirc. As does the standard ifup magic Dec 10 07:31:02 and yes, we should fix this annoying issue by whatever means it takes Dec 10 07:32:05 seems upstream as well isn't doing a lot of gprs testing. so some related bugs linger for almost years now Dec 10 07:33:46 spaetz_: how do you paste into sms messages ? i couldn't figure out how to do it earlier Dec 10 07:34:42 howmdo you cut/copy from valaterm? Dec 10 07:36:36 with the clipboard icon Dec 10 07:36:54 is there another way ? Dec 10 07:37:41 ctrl-c ctrl-v Dec 10 07:37:43 should work Dec 10 07:37:56 clipboard icon also copies into clipboard Dec 10 07:38:16 oh. i didn't think of that. thanks. Dec 10 07:38:46 gonzoism, with clipboard you *paste* in valaterm. Alas valaterm doesn,t copy the xhighlight buffer to the ctrl-v buffer Dec 10 07:39:18 yep, all that made sense when spaetz reminded me of the key bindings. :) Dec 10 07:39:41 spaetz, how would clipboard icon *copy* ? Dec 10 07:39:58 but thanks anyways, no way to tell if i had realized it. :) Dec 10 07:40:23 Updated today and no GSM - fso-abyss never called ... Dec 10 07:40:41 flashed backup without updates - works fine. Dec 10 07:45:58 DocScrutinizer51: I always assumed it did internally a ctrl-c ctrl-v (but I never checked, it actually does) Dec 10 07:46:22 BillK_: outch, current unstable? Dec 10 07:46:46 spaetz_: alas it seems to do the equivalent to middle-mousbutton Dec 10 07:47:34 mrmoku: looks like a bitbake error. it doesn't refer to a log file, that i can see. the error is occuring in /home/jaunty/test/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-t Dec 10 07:47:37 heme-standard2_svn.bb Dec 10 07:48:00 ERROR: Exception: Message:need more than 1 value to unpack Dec 10 07:48:10 spaetz_: clipboard (^c, ^v) and X copybuffer are two distinct mechanisms Dec 10 07:49:16 DocScrutinizer: primary selection is the term I guess Dec 10 07:50:08 iki.fi/lindi/xcutselprint prints the contents of all those 11 different buffers Dec 10 07:50:34 keeewl Dec 10 07:50:38 :-D Dec 10 07:51:14 lindi-: on primary selection I bet you're right Dec 10 07:51:49 Klipper for example has an option to sync them Dec 10 07:52:17 OM / E* should do as well Dec 10 07:52:49 spaetz_: yes, updated and built about 8 hrs ago - possibly shr-settings Dec 10 07:53:35 but how can shr-settings break fso-abyss? It doesn't even get loaded if you don't open it... Dec 10 07:53:58 lindi-: or possibly with a *decent* shell not starting with "B" we could simply define a keybinding to copy primary selection to clipboard? Dec 10 07:54:12 spaetz_: thats what some of the updates were that I remember - Dec 10 07:54:24 DocScrutinizer: why don't you like bash :P ? Dec 10 07:54:27 couldnt find a cause in time before I had to flash back Dec 10 07:54:32 to get working gsm Dec 10 07:54:52 DocScrutinizer: I don't want my shell to connect to X :) Dec 10 07:54:58 I *love* bash :-) Dec 10 07:55:07 then my shell would die when I quit X :( Dec 10 07:55:07 that other program starting with B, uses *A*sh :) Dec 10 07:55:21 and I definitley should get a glass of hot milk with honey and a nap Dec 10 07:55:43 spaetz_: oh and it ran fine after the updates for an hour until I rebooted ... Dec 10 07:56:10 DocScrutinizer: I have a menuentry for for "clipboard->copy" that copies primary selection to clipboard and "clipboard->paste" that pastes current clipboard contents Dec 10 07:56:28 weird. But shr-settings is not guilty here. I can say that because I made the changes that caused its uprading. It's merely some UI in the wifi power toggle stuff Dec 10 07:57:04 not sure what else has changed. Those phone* guys were pretty active trying to break frameworkd :) Dec 10 07:57:19 proably some opimd change that caused frameworkd to crash or something Dec 10 07:57:25 spaetz_: ok, deeper then - I am sure if its "not just me" someone else will jump in :) Dec 10 07:57:33 I bet so :) Dec 10 07:58:10 I recall that opimd was broken some hours ago. Dec 10 07:59:34 I use shr-testing on my NAND now as working phone backup... They only problem is that everything is saved on disk rather than SIM now, so whenever I switch I get a different set of SMS in my INBOX :) Dec 10 08:02:17 hehe Dec 10 08:02:19 fun Dec 10 08:02:31 after upgrade no more keyboards ;) Dec 10 08:03:18 TAsn: this freaking keyboard splitting sucks :| Dec 10 08:03:43 heh Dec 10 08:03:55 getting rid of numeric and alpha is a good thing :) Dec 10 08:04:13 we should just offer terminal and some weird alternative like qwo by default :) Dec 10 08:04:29 yeah, but not if replaced by nothing ;) Dec 10 08:04:39 nope Dec 10 08:04:49 * mrmoku just had the shr-wizard asking for a root password :P Dec 10 08:04:59 (without keyboard... sucks) Dec 10 08:05:17 plug one in! Dec 10 08:05:34 spaetz_: I guess it should be and RDEPENDS on some virtual/illume-keyboard thing Dec 10 08:05:43 s/and/an/ Dec 10 08:05:44 mrmoku meant: spaetz_: I guess it should be an RDEPENDS on some virtual/illume-keyboard thing Dec 10 08:05:59 but RRECOMMENDS seems not to work as wanted Dec 10 08:06:09 yep, although I always get confused about PROVIDES vs RPROVIDES and stuff Dec 10 08:06:17 spaetz, you probably should get a separate /home partition, on uSD preferrably Dec 10 08:06:17 where is that done now? let me have a look Dec 10 08:06:30 DocScrutinizer51: that would be the best thing, right Dec 10 08:06:38 I actually should get around doing that :) Dec 10 08:06:55 but I might want different ~/.e configs Dec 10 08:07:17 for the different releases, so I'll need to think about that Dec 10 08:07:51 mrmoku: is keyboard splitting done in e-wm ? Dec 10 08:08:21 ahh, resolvconf pulls in bash and ncurses? Are they crazy? Dec 10 08:08:51 cool Dec 10 08:08:55 spaetz_: yup e-wm Dec 10 08:09:02 spaetz_: welll... partly Dec 10 08:09:20 spaetz_: the other part is illume-keyboards bb's Dec 10 08:09:37 DocScrutinizer51: :P Dec 10 08:12:27 mrmoku: I think this works as advertized Dec 10 08:13:08 RRECOMMENDS_${PN}-config-illume RRECOMMENDS the keyboards. But e-wm-config-illume is not installed on the FR. so it's not pulled in Dec 10 08:13:25 e-wm-config-illume-shr is installed Dec 10 08:14:13 so that would also need to RRECOMMEND keyboards Dec 10 08:14:18 which it currently does not Dec 10 08:14:33 ohh Dec 10 08:14:35 * mrmoku stupid Dec 10 08:14:53 and I really don't see why we always need to do RRECOMMEND_$PN rather than RRECOMMENDS Dec 10 08:15:14 JaMae explained me that the first would also catch -dbg and -doc packages Dec 10 08:15:35 but why should e-wm-illume-config-doc depend on the keyboards? Dec 10 08:16:26 but that's not a real issue, I was just noticing Dec 10 08:16:42 spaetz_: yeah, thanks for noticing :) Dec 10 08:16:56 :) Dec 10 08:17:13 and that explains why Koen did not yet complain too :P Dec 10 08:17:21 hehe, true Dec 10 08:17:37 though Dec 10 08:17:49 question is still how to select different default keyboards Dec 10 08:18:00 that is true. Dec 10 08:18:15 well Dec 10 08:18:17 no Dec 10 08:18:24 probably no way around virtual/e-keyboard packaged? Dec 10 08:18:31 packages? Dec 10 08:18:39 actually if we add the RRECOMMEND for e-wm-config-illume-shr we can recommend different keyboards Dec 10 08:18:50 that is not a global OE solution but would be enough for us Dec 10 08:18:54 yep, that we can do Dec 10 08:19:01 and as nobody responded to my keyboard split out thing Dec 10 08:19:08 I guess nobody is interested Dec 10 08:19:19 cleaner would be to have metapackages for sets of keyboards and a PREFERRED_PROVIDER Dec 10 08:19:23 yeah Dec 10 08:21:55 spaetz, heh my thoughts also included metapackage. though iI was lost on conditional constructs then Dec 10 08:26:14 yep, which are not fun to define in OE Dec 10 08:27:00 mrmoku: other distros can use RRECOMMENDS_distro += "" if they want different sets .... Dec 10 08:27:03 * spaetz_ shrugs Dec 10 08:33:31 mmh. connman-bluetooth plugin seems to work... Dec 10 08:42:54 heh :-) Dec 10 08:51:47 moin Dec 10 09:16:23 spaetz: shr-launcher, e-tasks should compile now again.. Dec 10 09:16:39 JaMa: nice, was it fixed upstream? Dec 10 09:16:47 or did you hack the recipe? Dec 10 09:17:15 only hack.. but I guess that c_c will fix it.. then we can drop hack with srcrev bump Dec 10 09:17:54 there is lots of generated stuff in his repos :/ Dec 10 09:18:07 quite a big diffs even with really small fixes :) Dec 10 09:21:02 he should learn to use svnignore :) Dec 10 09:29:52 yup :) Dec 10 09:34:27 mrmoku: trac redirection fix! in http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/3233 Dec 10 09:34:49 Ainulindale: do you have access to the trac configuration? Dec 10 09:36:36 [account-manager] force_change_passwd = false Dec 10 09:38:20 Ainulindale: no need Dec 10 09:38:30 spaetz: did it ... is possible via admin interface :) Dec 10 09:38:44 really? cool. I don't have access to that Dec 10 09:39:01 no, we'd have to clean out the broken users with: Dec 10 09:39:16 sqlite3 yourtrac/db/trac.db \ 'DELETE FROM "session_attribute" WHERE "name" = "force_change_passwd";' Dec 10 09:39:30 or kill the affected users :) Dec 10 09:39:39 s/no/now( Dec 10 09:40:07 spaetz: now you have access :) Dec 10 09:40:33 the cleaning instead is something we can't do ourselves :| Dec 10 09:42:01 hehe, we could even upload plugins :) Dec 10 09:42:16 unfortunately the git plugin needs a local git tree, I think Dec 10 09:42:45 will we upgrade to eglibc-2.11 or are we too scared? Dec 10 09:43:14 khem just bumped few patches to 2.10 so rebuild is needed anyways Dec 10 09:43:25 I mean eglibc rebuild Dec 10 09:43:30 not from scratch :) Dec 10 09:45:11 hmm in 2.11 is still DEFAULT_PREFERENCE -1 and missing interworking patch.. so maybe already upstream, but I would stay with 2.10 Dec 10 09:48:36 JaMa: we have never offered those patches upstream so I would be surprised if they included them. Dec 10 09:48:53 I tried to find the stuff in the glibc tarballs but couldn't find the right sports. Dec 10 09:49:15 what's fixed in 2.11? Some ARM stuff? Dec 10 09:50:49 ah already upstream http://www.eglibc.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi?rev=9223&view=rev Dec 10 09:51:10 spaetz: we didn't but pb did :) Dec 10 09:52:04 and eglibc-2.11 was branched later.. so its not needed for > 2.10 Dec 10 09:53:06 JaMa: ahh, I see it in the changelog Dec 10 09:53:29 http://www.eglibc.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/eglibc-2_11/ports/ChangeLog.arm?rev=9380&sortdir=down&view=markup on 2009-11-04 Dec 10 09:57:49 yup I checked the files directly.. but checking Changelog is good idea :) Dec 10 10:01:04 ahh :/ conftest.c:10:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory Dec 10 10:01:18 * JaMa hopes that not whole /usr/include was wiped again Dec 10 10:04:32 morgen! Dec 10 10:04:59 DocScrutinizer, ping Dec 10 10:06:08 JesusMcCloud: moin Dec 10 10:07:28 JesusMcCloud: enjoy parties.. I like nEo but "later" can be as far in future as you want :) Dec 10 10:09:06 JaMa, parties do cause some collateral damage... i can prolly fiddle put somethign together for phoneui next week (depends more on university than party) Dec 10 10:14:29 spaetz, mrmoku : be wary with the conf though Dec 10 10:14:37 Each time we need to ask something I'm getting spanked Dec 10 10:15:51 JesusMcCloud: :) Dec 10 10:20:14 Ainulindale: hey, what are you busy with lately? Dec 10 10:23:44 Ainulindale: ok Dec 10 10:24:30 but that infinite redirection bug is really annoying too... Dec 10 10:28:35 spaetz: I know and agree Dec 10 10:28:51 PaulFertser: that depends on who asks :-) Dec 10 10:32:08 Ainulindale: He say "I know you, you know me", One thing I can tell you is you got to be free. Dec 10 10:48:02 Ainulindale: I turned it off via admin page Dec 10 10:48:11 Ainulindale: so ... no need to get yourself spanked ;) Dec 10 10:48:13 (this time) Dec 10 10:52:54 mrmoku: do you know how to integrate shr-wizard? Dec 10 10:53:01 is it as easy as adding a package? Dec 10 10:53:30 if yes, I'll try to get it to shr-testing too Dec 10 10:54:39 spaetz: it is as easy as including the shr-wizard package Dec 10 10:55:01 spaetz: so, you need to cherry-pick the recipe Dec 10 10:55:13 and the inclusion in task-shr-minimal I think Dec 10 10:56:01 ok, thanks Dec 10 10:56:11 mrmoku: thank :-) Dec 10 10:57:41 mmh, how can I cherry pick all commits affecting one file? Dec 10 10:57:52 Do I need to manually pick all 5 of them? Dec 10 11:04:29 mmh, done Dec 10 11:06:16 Ainulindale: btw. what about the trac redesign work from dos1? Dec 10 11:06:18 did you see that? Dec 10 11:06:50 spaetz: yeah, think you have to pick all of them Dec 10 11:07:05 yes I saw it Dec 10 11:07:08 and it's really nice Dec 10 11:07:12 Less agressive :-) Dec 10 11:07:19 :) Dec 10 11:07:23 Although I think he should focus on delivering stable software Dec 10 11:07:30 hehe, true :P Dec 10 11:08:15 Ainulindale: next question... is it ok, to install plugins via admin interface? Dec 10 11:08:24 Supposedly it won't work Dec 10 11:08:29 Let me ask Dec 10 11:08:33 ok, thanks Dec 10 11:08:57 No we can't Dec 10 11:09:37 awww Dec 10 11:09:43 git plugin... git plugin... Dec 10 11:09:51 Well Dec 10 11:09:57 Tell me what we should install I write a ticket immediately Dec 10 11:10:11 +'ll Dec 10 11:11:43 the one wanted right now would be the git plugin probably... don't know of others Dec 10 11:12:23 Well could you give me all the data? Name/url of the plugin? Dec 10 11:12:26 mrmoku: one downside seems that you need to specify one git repo. And we have about a dozen... Dec 10 11:12:38 This seems to be the official one: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitPlugin Dec 10 11:12:45 spaetz: that would be a 'don't want it' then :( Dec 10 11:12:55 mmm Dec 10 11:13:19 Well Dec 10 11:13:34 gitwebplugin integrates the gitweb in trac... Dec 10 11:13:45 If you want that one I need you to write me exactly what you want (config?), because I won't have time for that :-) Dec 10 11:13:52 ok Dec 10 11:14:29 spaetz: I think one repo makes really no sense... which one should that be then? Dec 10 11:14:33 If you need explanations as to why I'm busy, please ask in private :-) Dec 10 11:15:29 I bet you switched to the dark Android side :) Dec 10 11:15:33 anyway lunch Dec 10 11:20:37 Ainulindale: cherchez la femme ? :) Dec 10 11:22:01 Nah Dec 10 11:22:03 Already have one :-) Dec 10 11:22:48 Ainulindale: research shows that this would not be inconsistent with another one causing increased business and distraction :) Dec 10 11:23:02 Well it's not the case presently :-) Dec 10 11:29:19 * mrmoku off for kindergarten pickup and lunch Dec 10 12:29:43 what's ubifs? Dec 10 12:33:19 file system Dec 10 12:34:57 better than jffs2? Dec 10 12:35:43 pro/cons? Dec 10 12:38:29 * spaetz shrugs. never used it Dec 10 12:43:56 haha, that shr-config wizard is a good idea. Dec 10 12:44:13 but unfortunately I took it into -testing prematurely Dec 10 12:44:19 * spaetz kicks shr-wizard out Dec 10 12:45:09 fredrin: read http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELCEurope2008Presentations?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=flash-filesystems.pdf Dec 10 12:52:00 JaMa: but QI doesn't handle UBI, right? Dec 10 13:15:18 spaetz: I don't know.. I got few IO errors when flashing nand with ubi image.. but I'll try later with some smaller image like minimal Dec 10 13:16:09 that's why I let ubi debug enable in latest shr kernel configs Dec 10 13:16:33 but don't know if someone else tried ubi :/ Dec 10 13:20:38 spaetz: what's the problem with shr-wizard? Dec 10 13:20:55 TAsn: ping Dec 10 13:25:29 mrmoku, pong. Dec 10 13:25:33 TAsn: have a minute? Dec 10 13:25:39 always. Dec 10 13:25:42 :) Dec 10 13:25:51 regarding initing backend stuff Dec 10 13:25:57 speak Dec 10 13:26:00 I think there is still some design flaw Dec 10 13:26:14 libphone-ui wants to init just the configured part of a backend Dec 10 13:26:23 say the shr backend is responsible for calls Dec 10 13:26:30 but not for idlescreen Dec 10 13:26:34 ok Dec 10 13:26:38 it should _not_ init idlescreen Dec 10 13:26:46 right. Dec 10 13:26:53 and that's why you init from phoenuid Dec 10 13:26:58 phoneuid* Dec 10 13:27:05 you don't do anything in backend. Dec 10 13:27:12 so we need phoneui_backend_init_xyz for every module Dec 10 13:27:28 actually phoneui_backend_xyz_init Dec 10 13:27:33 hehe, yeah Dec 10 13:27:35 and yeah, we discussed that yesterday Dec 10 13:27:39 hia ll Dec 10 13:27:39 hi all* Dec 10 13:27:42 well... for idle screen yes Dec 10 13:27:45 pbaxter, hey. Dec 10 13:27:55 mrmoku, I told you we need to do it for all screens as well. Dec 10 13:28:03 and then add a config options whether to cache screens or not Dec 10 13:29:07 spaetz, what's wrong with wizard?! shouldn't be broken. Dec 10 13:29:48 mrmoku, and what's wrong with keyboard splitting? Dec 10 13:29:53 works great here. Dec 10 13:29:59 I filed a shr-wizard bug :) Dec 10 13:30:19 e crashed and the lock-screen popped up before I could press (or read) anything Dec 10 13:30:22 TAsn: works great in what sense? as is you won't have any keyboard in the image :P Dec 10 13:30:34 and the resizing of that window looks horrible Dec 10 13:30:37 (which renders the image unusable :P) Dec 10 13:31:15 I had a window using the left half of the screen and being about twice as long as the screen. so I could neither read nor press any buttons. Dec 10 13:31:15 mrmoku, really? upgrading to it works great. Dec 10 13:31:23 need to take care of kid. BBL Dec 10 13:31:25 I don't get what's the problem though, just add it to rdepends. Dec 10 13:31:41 TAsn: if I would do that... you would not be able to remove it via opkg Dec 10 13:31:46 (without -force-depends) Dec 10 13:31:55 spaetzBBL, I didn't understand anything, talk to me when you are back. If it's the actual wizard which is broken (but gets launched) dos1 is the man. Dec 10 13:32:02 actually spaetz found out why... so it is fixable Dec 10 13:32:25 TAsn: though... I need your new default keyboard you promissed now :P Dec 10 13:32:27 mrmoku, I know. But that's a minor "give up" comparing to not having a keyboard or having the keyboards in the same pack. Dec 10 13:32:36 mrmoku, shitz :P Dec 10 13:32:43 later today, I promise! :P Dec 10 13:32:47 hehe, ok Dec 10 13:33:02 so... one init for every BackendType Dec 10 13:33:12 And I don't think I promised a new default keyboard, but a new terminal keyboard... (not sure though) Dec 10 13:33:20 mrmoku, yes. and one deinit Dec 10 13:33:22 as well. Dec 10 13:33:29 but don't add to libphone-ui yet Dec 10 13:33:39 as we still miss them in libphone-ui-shr Dec 10 13:33:46 mrmoku, btw, again: new opimd pwns :P Dec 10 13:33:56 works a lot nicer without those ugly tel's Dec 10 13:34:00 works now? Dec 10 13:34:20 Yeah. Dec 10 13:34:27 TAsn, check the new trac bug Dec 10 13:34:41 i described it. more details later Dec 10 13:34:43 mrmoku, what about lfg? supports everything? if so I might add cool stuff today. Dec 10 13:34:48 kid calling Dec 10 13:34:53 user_, k. Dec 10 13:35:06 TAsn: everything for sure not :P but I did the AddField stuff... Dec 10 13:35:13 so for fields and types everything should be in place Dec 10 13:35:16 could not test it though Dec 10 13:36:28 TAsn: hmm... and now we have a real problem :( Dec 10 13:36:33 speak. Dec 10 13:36:39 elm_init is in phoneui_backend_loop Dec 10 13:36:41 and not in init Dec 10 13:37:07 should be fixed then, though it doesn't really matter... Dec 10 13:37:21 it does matter as you can't init stuff before Dec 10 13:37:53 so move to init Dec 10 13:38:01 yeah, trying that now Dec 10 14:16:57 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r84557c346687 10/src/ (Makefile.am phoneui-info.c phoneui-info.h phoneui.c): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui Dec 10 14:16:58 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r1b003b71bd1d 10/TODO: Updated TODO Dec 10 14:16:59 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * re6235b24e545 10/src/ (phoneui-utils-sound.c phoneui-utils-sound.h phoneui-utils.c): Added phoneui_utils_sound_profile_* Dec 10 14:16:59 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r16a75306c7e5 10/src/phoneui.c: Added a small comment on how to add functions Dec 10 14:17:01 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r136d4e9eaa09 10/src/ (phoneui-utils-sound.c phoneui-utils-sound.h phoneui-utils.c): Merge branch 'master' into new-opimd Dec 10 14:17:09 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * r8f8e189e8fef 10/src/ (Makefile.am phoneui-info.c phoneui-info.h phoneui.c): add phoneui-info - does not do anything there apart registering to signals... Dec 10 14:17:10 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r08ce6954355d 10/src/phoneui-utils.c: Adedd a missing fix for a template to compile Dec 10 14:17:12 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r316f2e3ec7c4 10/src/ (5 files): Merge branch 'master' into new-opimd Dec 10 14:17:15 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r4a80921edcd4 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui.h.in): Fixed the hacks that kept it from compiling :P Dec 10 14:17:18 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r096b5f91f889 10/src/ (phoneui-info.c phoneui.c phoneui.h.in): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui Dec 10 14:17:21 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r2f1867a7dc37 10/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Merged with new-opimd Dec 10 14:17:25 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * ref0bbe7d4225 10/src/ (5 files): add phoneui-info / new phoneui_idle_screen_update_... prototypes Dec 10 14:17:30 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r2fd0b3d77ab4 10/src/phoneui-utils.c: New opimd changes, mostly dropped the tel prefix from everywhere Dec 10 14:33:40 if something is turned off like this: EXTRA_OECONF = " --enable-ipv6=no Dec 10 14:34:06 will an EXTRA_OECONF_shr = " --enable-ipv6=yes" override that again? Dec 10 14:34:25 yes Dec 10 14:34:42 = will replace the former by the latter Dec 10 14:34:49 I'm not sure for += though Dec 10 14:35:12 ahh, = would completely replace it, right Dec 10 14:35:31 Sheesh, we need to tell them everything :-> Dec 10 14:35:38 Howdy spaetz, how's the family? Dec 10 14:35:59 We are waiting for the 2nd kid any day now. Dec 10 14:36:31 My mother came to take care of the 1st, she will stay up to a month with us, which is a mixed blessing :) Dec 10 14:37:17 :o Dec 10 14:37:50 ugh.. I thought jetlag wasn't supposed to be such a problem travelling east->west Dec 10 14:37:58 SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * rf1ec520712a4 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: make phoneui functions templates UI toolkit agnostic Dec 10 14:37:59 SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * r7661950fa16d 10/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui-shr Dec 10 14:38:00 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rbd7e2bc01804 10/data/idle_screen/idle_screen.edc: idle_screen.edc: rename resources to match DBus names Dec 10 14:38:00 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r9823edc97ef4 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): idle-screen: implement the update functions Dec 10 14:38:03 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rb36f722c03a7 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: Revert "Added a quick POC for profile_set, leaving the rest to Rui." Dec 10 14:38:08 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07libphone-ui-shr * r079cacd6a380 10/data/idle_screen/idle_screen.edc: code cleanup: use tabs instead of spaces everywhere Dec 10 14:38:11 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r3fedcfcc6d0d 10/src/view/contact-show-view.c: Added a minor style adjustment Dec 10 14:38:14 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * rcbf182a07ee7 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into new-opimd Dec 10 14:38:14 hehe, weiss if the trip is long enough it is exhausting in any case :) Dec 10 14:39:11 yeah Dec 10 14:39:15 yesterday I was awake for 25 hours Dec 10 14:39:37 on the other hand, it makes getting up early in the morning a LOT easier (it's 6.39AM here, and I've been up for two hours already) Dec 10 17:20:39 hello, i've got problem with my shr phone Dec 10 17:20:52 may someone help me ? Dec 10 17:21:18 lenneheart: maybe Dec 10 17:21:51 my terminal keyboard is'nt shown since last update Dec 10 17:22:07 and openssh required password when i log on usb Dec 10 17:22:28 I'haven't made one since Dec 10 17:22:40 Have you got any solution ? Dec 10 17:23:57 A default password maybe ? Dec 10 17:24:45 set a password Dec 10 17:24:56 on the device Dec 10 17:25:18 the problem is that I can't log in on usb and the terminal on the device has no keyboard Dec 10 17:25:29 ah okay Dec 10 17:25:31 no virtual keyboard although Dec 10 17:25:39 that's the problem Dec 10 17:26:34 do you have a file manager installed? Dec 10 17:27:15 I don't think so Dec 10 17:28:00 mrmoku: ping Dec 10 17:28:05 TAsn: ping Dec 10 17:28:15 i hope those guys can help you:-) Dec 10 17:28:27 cu Dec 10 17:28:59 I hope Dec 10 17:30:56 blueslee is fast :P Dec 10 17:31:22 very fast Dec 10 17:32:25 could you save me TAsn ? Dec 10 17:32:36 I can try Dec 10 17:32:46 though I don't have a lot of time. Dec 10 17:33:12 so amke it quick. Dec 10 17:33:24 dos1, opimd is broken! saw my paste? Dec 10 17:35:09 my terminal keyboard is'nt shown since last update Dec 10 17:35:09 lenneheart, oh, you expect me to read backlog... Dec 10 17:35:09 and openssh required password when i log on usb Dec 10 17:35:09 I'haven't made one since Dec 10 17:35:09 Have you got any solution ? Dec 10 17:35:09 A default password maybe ? Dec 10 17:35:09 sec. Dec 10 17:35:17 sec. Dec 10 17:35:35 take your time Dec 10 17:35:39 oh, lol :| Dec 10 17:35:43 tough stop Dec 10 17:36:03 well, there's only one thing I can think about Dec 10 17:36:09 lenneheart, got a microsd reader? Dec 10 17:36:15 yes Dec 10 17:36:26 and you installed shr on your card, right? Dec 10 17:36:32 yes Dec 10 17:36:35 great :P Dec 10 17:36:43 You read my mind Dec 10 17:36:45 shutdown the moko Dec 10 17:36:58 lenneheart, I'm a psychic :P Dec 10 17:37:07 And chroot on it ? Dec 10 17:37:10 take out the the card, put in the reader Dec 10 17:37:12 lenneheart, no. Dec 10 17:37:19 just cd into the card Dec 10 17:37:22 into the etc dir Dec 10 17:37:26 and there Dec 10 17:37:34 edit ssh/sshd_config Dec 10 17:37:40 modify ssh conf to allow empty pass Dec 10 17:37:43 and allow log in with empty password Dec 10 17:37:44 thanks Dec 10 17:37:45 yes. Dec 10 17:37:56 thanks a lot Dec 10 17:38:00 lenneheart, don't chroot, as it won't work. Dec 10 17:38:03 lenneheart, np. Dec 10 17:38:12 lenneheart, sorry about this breakage btw :| Dec 10 17:38:27 I'll correct that and search for the virtual keyboard pb Dec 10 17:38:49 just install the keyboards you want Dec 10 17:38:56 opkg list | grep illume-keyboard Dec 10 17:38:58 or something like that. Dec 10 17:39:10 maybe it's that Dec 10 17:39:16 One thing at a time Dec 10 17:42:56 lenneheart, you just miss some packages Dec 10 17:43:22 maybe Dec 10 17:43:27 the wizard should now be able to set the pass. Dec 10 17:43:35 so that's also cool :P Dec 10 17:43:40 I'll first do an opkg update / upgrade Dec 10 17:43:46 but you don't have a keyboard, so... Dec 10 17:43:50 lenneheart, yeah. :P Dec 10 17:43:51 when the ssh access will be ok Dec 10 17:44:16 I'm just finishing allowing empty ssh password Dec 10 17:44:17 ... Dec 10 17:44:24 cool Dec 10 17:44:28 and agin, sorry for the hassle. Dec 10 17:44:31 ciao bbl Dec 10 17:44:36 no pb Dec 10 17:44:38 thanks Dec 10 17:44:40 a lot Dec 10 17:59:26 Jobs done, root access via ssh ok with empty password, virtual keyboard installed again, all is allright Dec 10 17:59:38 Thank you again TAsn Dec 10 17:59:54 TAsn: pong Dec 10 18:00:00 lenneheart, :P Dec 10 18:00:06 TAsn: does that happen always? Dec 10 18:00:09 dos1, saw my opimd log? Dec 10 18:00:11 yup Dec 10 18:00:12 yes Dec 10 18:00:14 and with phonelog Dec 10 18:00:19 everytime I query. Dec 10 18:00:36 TAsn: only with Calls domain, or also with others? Dec 10 18:01:03 calls. Dec 10 18:01:22 ok Dec 10 18:01:26 i'll try to reproduce Dec 10 18:01:49 want my db? Dec 10 18:01:57 as it may as well be a corrupted db. Dec 10 18:02:05 TAsn: i'll try firstly with mine Dec 10 18:02:10 dos1, okie. Dec 10 18:02:22 just opimd-cli ca query New 1 Dec 10 18:02:24 for instance Dec 10 18:02:31 (though every type of query breaks it) Dec 10 18:02:39 Direction in Dec 10 18:02:44 Everything breaks it. Dec 10 18:02:53 hmm Dec 10 18:08:09 TAsn: ok, send me that db :P Dec 10 18:08:22 sec Dec 10 18:11:26 sending. Dec 10 18:11:44 sent Dec 10 18:13:55 hi Dec 10 18:14:21 can i use the ubifs images on openmoko internal nand? and how? Dec 10 18:15:15 you can. but i don't know how ;p Dec 10 18:15:22 and probably noone knows ;P Dec 10 18:15:24 (here) Dec 10 18:16:50 oh :) cool Dec 10 18:17:04 why are there ubifs images to download on shr then :P Dec 10 18:17:59 zoff99, because someone asked. Dec 10 18:18:02 search in tickets. Dec 10 18:18:19 dos1, let me know when you find something out :P Dec 10 18:19:42 so i read somebody else also has "Diane D." calling Dec 10 18:19:55 what is that about? i dont even have her in my phonebook Dec 10 18:20:09 zoff99, it's not nice to say Dec 10 18:20:15 but that Diane is a whore. Dec 10 18:20:24 ??????? Dec 10 18:20:41 I'm telling you. Dec 10 18:20:45 she is a whore. Dec 10 18:20:45 really? that actually does not shock me Dec 10 18:20:51 I'll quit Dec 10 18:20:57 Have a nice night Dec 10 18:21:00 she toys with all of us. Dec 10 18:21:05 see you soon Dec 10 18:21:05 what shocks me is a) how she get my number and b) how does my moko know her number?? Dec 10 18:21:26 Diane D. also is a friend of mine Dec 10 18:21:27 http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/10/norway.ufo.light/index.html Dec 10 18:21:40 look at picture 3 - SHR logo is even more visible here :D Dec 10 18:22:06 zoff99, she's a very advance AI that tries to take over the world one linux box at a time. Dec 10 18:22:07 so i assume you are joking about dine d. ??? whats really going on Dec 10 18:22:09 it's very scary. Dec 10 18:22:27 did you put something in the code Dec 10 18:22:30 and now for real. Dec 10 18:22:43 I don't know where this easter egg comes from. Dec 10 18:22:47 not in my DB Dec 10 18:22:50 not in srh-today's code Dec 10 18:23:00 neither in framework's code Dec 10 18:23:06 and it only appears in shr-today, right? Dec 10 18:23:09 its not in my phonebook, so it must come from shr-image somewhere Dec 10 18:23:14 it's in shr-today's theme Dec 10 18:23:30 dos1, OH. Dec 10 18:23:30 otherwise why would my moko write the name instead of the number Dec 10 18:23:33 oh :) Dec 10 18:23:50 maybe when name resolving fails label is just not updated Dec 10 18:24:03 welch schelm baut sowas ein ?? Dec 10 18:24:40 i have still one more issue which is driving my crazy Dec 10 18:24:52 zoff99, speak now Dec 10 18:24:57 or forever hold your piece. Dec 10 18:25:00 the random crashes, i still got them. and only with shr-u but never with shr-obsoloete Dec 10 18:25:04 peace* Dec 10 18:25:16 it drives me crazy, dont know where the problem is ... Dec 10 18:25:19 zoff99, explain, no idea what yo,u are talking about. Dec 10 18:25:23 neither am I. Dec 10 18:25:35 with new shr-unstable, the moko just stopps Dec 10 18:25:47 on display i see the last image, but not moving anymore Dec 10 18:26:00 buttons not responding, can only take out battery to reboot Dec 10 18:26:11 no idea. Dec 10 18:26:13 sorry. Dec 10 18:26:21 can you ssh? Dec 10 18:26:24 it happens at random, NO specific program, just random Dec 10 18:26:30 no ping, no ssh, no buttons Dec 10 18:26:37 i c. Dec 10 18:26:52 sorry, no idea. Dec 10 18:26:56 dos1, figured out my bug? Dec 10 18:27:00 not yet Dec 10 18:27:02 it my be software, because on old shr-obsolete never has crashed Dec 10 18:27:18 is .31 kernel coming soon? Dec 10 18:27:23 maybe this will fix it Dec 10 18:27:53 oh, ok Dec 10 18:27:55 reproduced Dec 10 18:28:19 comp_value needs to be string... Dec 10 18:28:28 will fix that today Dec 10 18:28:36 tam tam tam :P Dec 10 18:28:42 dos1, tell me how to quick fix it Dec 10 18:28:44 here Dec 10 18:28:45 please. Dec 10 18:28:51 just str(comp_value) Dec 10 18:29:15 look for make_comp_value or something like that in type_manager.py Dec 10 18:29:31 and replace "return foo" with "return str(foo)" Dec 10 18:29:52 that should work as a quick fix :P Dec 10 18:30:05 but that's NOT wanted in the long run :P Dec 10 18:30:20 as you also have numeric compares Dec 10 18:30:22 and etc Dec 10 18:30:28 or actually, only for the generic case Dec 10 18:30:30 you want str compare Dec 10 18:30:32 nvm me :P Dec 10 18:30:34 * mrmoku is wondering what tactics Blueslee is following... to ping and vanish the same minute... always :P Dec 10 18:31:09 hehe yeah :P Dec 10 18:31:12 well it's ok. Dec 10 18:31:23 as he wanted us to help someone Dec 10 18:31:23 do you know when we will have 2.6.31 kernel? Dec 10 18:31:27 which I have. Dec 10 18:31:30 or are there already images with it? Dec 10 18:31:35 mrmoku, ^ Dec 10 18:31:59 zoff99: no images Dec 10 18:32:04 zoff99: does not fully work yet Dec 10 18:32:19 its my only hope to fix my random crashes Dec 10 18:32:20 zoff99: if you want to try it out there is on though Dec 10 18:32:31 but be prepared to not have telephony :P Dec 10 18:32:37 dont care Dec 10 18:32:44 i want to see if it crashes then still Dec 10 18:32:47 ok, moment Dec 10 18:32:53 is there a full .tar.gz file? Dec 10 18:32:54 what's the issue there? Dec 10 18:33:07 zoff99: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.31/images/om-gta02/ Dec 10 18:33:49 and use with the shr-u image? Dec 10 18:33:54 yep Dec 10 18:34:03 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/switch-for-kernel Dec 10 18:34:06 is of interest too then Dec 10 18:34:16 that will fix some of the non-working stuff Dec 10 18:34:23 and enables you to easily switch Dec 10 18:34:27 brb Dec 10 18:34:29 dos1|away, btw, no time to trace it, but I have another issue. Dec 10 18:36:04 dos1|away, btw, tmp fix works, as you said, proper fix would probably be making decent comp values Dec 10 18:38:14 dos1|away, something is still wrong. Dec 10 18:38:44 dos1|away, opimd-cli ca edit 0 New 0 queries tons of items instead of just editing 0. Dec 10 18:39:30 dos1|away, and there's another issue, talk to me when you get here. Dec 10 18:46:38 TAsn: no, that's not issue Dec 10 18:46:45 it's just the way in which opimd-cli works Dec 10 18:46:55 dos1, no Dec 10 18:47:02 opimd-cli shows you what matches Dec 10 18:47:04 and changes Dec 10 18:47:06 right? Dec 10 18:47:26 dos1, opimd-cli ca edit 0 New 0 Dec 10 18:47:32 there's only ONE with the id 0 Dec 10 18:47:33 TAsn: opimd-cli changes, and then queries for the same data as used in Update() function Dec 10 18:47:46 oh, i c. Dec 10 18:47:48 so even when typing "opimd-cli ca edit 0 New 0" Dec 10 18:47:54 ok. Dec 10 18:47:55 it will display all entries with New = 0 Dec 10 18:48:03 cool. Dec 10 18:48:05 I have another issue then. Dec 10 18:48:17 sometimes Dec 10 18:48:57 I get the same message twice Dec 10 18:49:20 and even 10 times Dec 10 18:49:27 sometimes it just appears again after a reboot Dec 10 18:49:37 sometimes it just annoys me with a new message 10 times in a row Dec 10 18:49:45 (I get 10 duplications of the SAME message) Dec 10 18:50:12 i.e, exactly the same parameters Dec 10 18:50:20 timestamp/bla/bla/etc :P Dec 10 18:50:29 it almost looks like Dec 10 18:50:39 opimd forgets to erase from sim (if it even gets there) Dec 10 18:50:47 even = ever Dec 10 18:52:08 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1bd6c2f48d6d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/type_manager.py: opimd: fix quering with non-str values Dec 10 18:52:17 and for some reason Dec 10 18:52:23 my sim is FULL of messages. Dec 10 18:52:28 which I find odd, as I use the sqlite backend. Dec 10 18:52:49 TAsn: sometimes some mesages are stored directly on sim Dec 10 18:52:58 why?! Dec 10 18:53:20 dunno why some typical messages are, but i know there is sms class which makes them be stored directly on sim Dec 10 18:53:32 so operator messages can be like that Dec 10 18:53:51 but sometimes sim buffering is just enabled again, didn't figured it yet why Dec 10 18:53:52 I got a number Dec 10 18:54:05 that I don't have messages from on sqlite Dec 10 18:54:06 in most cases suspend/resume fixes that Dec 10 18:54:11 but got a bunch on messages Dec 10 18:54:15 *sim Dec 10 18:55:10 ok, nvm found then in messages app. Dec 10 18:55:12 just weird, still. Dec 10 18:55:31 got 17 messages on sim. Dec 10 18:55:34 no idea why. Dec 10 18:56:12 eitherway, it doesn't answer my question Dec 10 18:56:33 on why I get a lot of messages a couple of times. Dec 10 18:56:39 also, AFAIK, if message is not instantly Acked (for instance due to error in handling message), then calypso enables sim buffering again Dec 10 18:56:45 so next messages will be stored on sim Dec 10 18:57:02 mrmoku: 2.6.31 feels ultra fast, wow Dec 10 18:57:15 mrmoku: when will this sucker be in shr-u ?? any idea Dec 10 18:58:05 anyhow, ciao. Dec 10 18:59:15 zoff99: it _is_ ultra fast :D Dec 10 18:59:39 yeah it is, or is it just now fast because its lacking some modules? Dec 10 18:59:40 and when it will be in shr-u depends solely on when it is fully supported by fso Dec 10 18:59:53 dunno what exactly is causing the speed Dec 10 19:00:03 but everybody having tried it was amazed Dec 10 19:00:07 mrmoku: atm i got whitescreen :) but still can login with ssh Dec 10 19:00:27 mrmoku: put it into shr, yesterday please :P Dec 10 19:00:29 heh, suspend/resume is one of the things not working... or was it without suspend? Dec 10 19:01:18 yeah, suspend never wakesup, feels like old-times again :) Dec 10 19:01:23 why the hell do I need to build gnome-common native to build fbreader? Dec 10 19:02:14 mrmoku: and "init 6" is also crashing. its re-booting to fast for my sdcard Dec 10 19:02:22 heh Dec 10 19:03:21 codepage 437 not found, for mounting vfat is the worst :) for me Dec 10 19:04:26 yeah, module config needs tweaking for sure Dec 10 19:08:15 mrmoku: i hope it stays that fast. i can believe it Dec 10 19:09:46 TAsn: hmm we will get rid of contact sanitizing with new opimd right? Dec 10 19:11:38 mrmoku, what contact sanitizing? Dec 10 19:11:43 (gimme a function name) Dec 10 19:11:57 we still need the display_get function if that's what you mean. Dec 10 19:12:06 wait Dec 10 19:12:20 in my new-opimd Dec 10 19:12:23 branch Dec 10 19:12:26 I dropped all the tel: crap. Dec 10 19:13:04 phoneui_utils_contact_display_name_get Dec 10 19:13:13 that's important. Dec 10 19:13:21 it gives you the default display name Dec 10 19:13:23 (or phone) Dec 10 19:13:33 not only sanitizes it. Dec 10 19:13:41 TAsn: but not caching that is bad :| Dec 10 19:13:49 as it get's called while scrolling Dec 10 19:13:56 and that makes scrolling suck Dec 10 19:13:58 i c. Dec 10 19:14:16 so we should probably consider caching that, yeah. Dec 10 19:14:42 (leave the function names, but change the content, and add caching to to init) Dec 10 19:15:38 we should probably add Dec 10 19:15:47 _phoneui_Phone and _phoneui_Name Dec 10 19:15:48 fields Dec 10 19:16:00 (until we'll have calculated fields in opimd) Dec 10 19:16:08 yup Dec 10 19:16:31 cool. Dec 10 19:16:32 TAsn: btw. I had no luck moving elm_init to phoneui_backend_init... does not work Dec 10 19:16:40 what's the issue? Dec 10 19:16:52 it just does not work :P Dec 10 19:17:08 i c, I'll take a look as well later. Dec 10 19:17:11 never starts the loop then Dec 10 19:17:12 somehow Dec 10 19:17:19 so odd. Dec 10 19:17:23 maybe I'm just stupid... Dec 10 19:17:39 to me it sounds Dec 10 19:17:44 that you do your testing on the moko Dec 10 19:17:58 and that's slow as hell and you just gave up quickly :P Dec 10 19:17:58 yup Dec 10 19:18:01 no Dec 10 19:18:30 I'v been building different combinations of stuff for 4 hours now ;) Dec 10 19:18:33 *faster than you would have if you tested on the pc. Dec 10 19:18:37 mrmoku, i c :P Dec 10 19:18:51 why don't you install it on the pc? Dec 10 19:18:55 but I want to get forward with the idle screen Dec 10 19:19:00 TAsn: because I can't test there Dec 10 19:19:06 why not? Dec 10 19:19:16 because I have no frameworkd giving me signals :) Dec 10 19:19:24 mrmoku, you don't need. Dec 10 19:19:30 I don't even install phoneuid Dec 10 19:19:45 so what do you do then? Dec 10 19:19:47 I just use libphone-ui Dec 10 19:19:57 with a specially crafted (10 liner) app Dec 10 19:20:50 details? Dec 10 19:21:02 huh? Dec 10 19:21:21 I mean... I want to test the idle screen showing correctly the stuff Dec 10 19:21:39 show signal strength, provider, ... Dec 10 19:22:18 http://shr.pastebin.com/m43008add Dec 10 19:22:21 anyway... to come forward with the idle screen I would like to add a temporary helper Dec 10 19:22:22 hackish as hell Dec 10 19:22:27 but that's exactly what I have. Dec 10 19:22:58 hehe Dec 10 19:23:14 brb Dec 10 19:23:33 I'm off. Dec 10 19:23:34 ciao. Dec 10 19:29:47 mrmoku: do you encourage the current image? Dec 10 19:36:47 bumbl: which one? Dec 10 19:36:51 unstable or testing? Dec 10 19:37:37 unstable of 091209 Dec 10 19:38:03 probably not Dec 10 19:38:08 have not tested it Dec 10 19:38:22 but I think it might be without illume keyboards Dec 10 19:38:36 and that in combination with having to set a root password to be able to ssh into it Dec 10 19:38:40 is bad :| Dec 10 19:40:09 ;) Dec 10 19:42:57 mrmoku: do you plan to allow empty passwords in sshd? Dec 10 19:43:48 liori: not really Dec 10 19:44:04 empty password for ssh root access is bad Dec 10 19:45:24 mrmoku: i had a script that uploaded shr image and then automatically ssh to it, changing some settings and so on... now i cannot automate this Dec 10 19:45:26 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * r77b0255ad2ad 10/src/ (phoneui-info.c phoneui-info.h phoneui.c): phoneui-info: manually feed info when triggered by backend Dec 10 19:46:11 liori: you mean before booting? or ssh into after first boot? Dec 10 19:47:12 mrmoku: ssh after first boot Dec 10 19:48:44 liori: on first boot the shr-wizard will pop up Dec 10 19:48:46 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rba03c4155742 10/src/view/idle-view.c: idle-view: protect against update when not yet inited and call phoneui_info_trigger Dec 10 19:48:52 you have to select language and theme anyway Dec 10 19:49:00 so setting root password is just a step more Dec 10 19:49:36 mrmoku: yes, but setting password takes a while; the wizard is only three touches or sth like that Dec 10 19:50:00 liori: the wizard includes setting the root password Dec 10 19:50:22 hmmm... i don't remember that on last image Dec 10 19:51:14 don't know if it is already in the last (good) image.. the one from 9th should have it but probably otherwise is not a good chooice Dec 10 19:51:55 ok, i'll check that; thanks Dec 10 19:51:58 SHR: 03mok 07phoneuid * r408163186368 10/src/phoneuid.c: remove obsolete UiHandler registration Dec 10 19:52:54 liori: it is just that we prefer to deliver something that is somewhat safe by default Dec 10 19:53:03 you can of course change that... it's easy Dec 10 19:53:18 mrmoku: i understand that Dec 10 19:54:03 mrmoku: i was going to make sth like an automated test suite for images, so that at least some things could be tested automatically (wifi, gps,...) Dec 10 19:54:23 liori: how do you install the image? Dec 10 19:54:43 a script with dfutool Dec 10 19:54:56 so you flash to nand... hmm Dec 10 19:56:09 liori: because allowing empty password could be easily done with one sed Dec 10 19:58:09 * bumbl had an idea - it would be cool to mount the µsd from uboot Dec 10 19:58:19 on the host pc Dec 10 19:58:42 or mounting the .jffs2 in the script before flashing it Dec 10 19:58:45 bumbl: well, I could modify the image before flashing Dec 10 19:58:48 :-) Dec 10 19:59:04 that's nice idea Dec 10 19:59:06 liori: not only for your usecase Dec 10 19:59:33 bumbl: I know... but would that be as insecure as allowing empty passwords? Dec 10 19:59:49 liori: why? Dec 10 20:00:04 when you have hardwareaccess you always can mount partitions Dec 10 20:12:38 is sshd by default visible only on usb? Dec 10 20:12:44 no Dec 10 20:14:26 Hi. Playing around with SHR. The mokonnect application seems very unreliable. Is there an alternative+ Dec 10 20:14:30 ? Dec 10 20:16:00 + mokonnect does not auto ifdown usb0 before starting wifi Dec 10 20:16:45 why should it do that? Dec 10 20:17:03 My main problem is that it is scary slow, as well as crashing all the time. Dec 10 20:17:27 mokonnect did all to me... but never crashed Dec 10 20:17:36 Heinervdm: because without that all traffic goes over the default usb0 route and never reaches the outside Dec 10 20:18:05 I would be happy if it could just connect to something :-p Dec 10 20:18:36 USB works fine, but to my knowledge, that is not controlled by mokonnect? Dec 10 20:19:13 I actually got gprs up and running once, but never again. Dec 10 20:19:15 it is not controlled by connman Dec 10 20:19:21 but can be configured by mokonnect Dec 10 20:19:26 (and controlled) Dec 10 20:19:43 Ah, right. Dec 10 20:19:51 Well, it works at least. Dec 10 20:19:55 bumbl: for me it was anoying that usb0 was turned down when using wifi Dec 10 20:20:08 bumbl: that way you can't debug wifi Dec 10 20:20:12 Hi. Speaking about USB... Is there a way to prevent suspend while connected via USB? (I'm running shr-testing) Dec 10 20:21:02 McKael: just replug the cable Dec 10 20:21:12 Heinervdm: does nothing today Dec 10 20:21:28 Heinervdm, it has been suspending all day long Dec 10 20:21:42 no matter how many times I replugged it Dec 10 20:22:06 McKael: then no idea Dec 10 20:23:13 Maybe it is related to ffalarms (though I don't see why...) as IIRC the first time it suspended was after ffalarms rang. Dec 10 20:24:51 Heinervdm: but with usb0 wifi won't work the way it should (aka displaying web pages) Dec 10 20:25:29 bumbl: well you just need to update the default route Dec 10 20:25:53 which is probably better than setting the interface down Dec 10 20:25:53 McKael: well why should i when i use a gui! Dec 10 20:26:25 bumbl: then the problem is that connman doesn't handle the routes correctly Dec 10 20:26:39 bumbl: yes I understand, I'm just saying it would be better if the default route was changed without removing the interface Dec 10 20:26:42 but i think that connman is a pain at all Dec 10 20:27:02 Heinervdm: as is networkmanager Dec 10 20:27:13 you can't configure it Dec 10 20:27:37 i'm hoping for fsonetworkd Dec 10 20:30:25 Haha! I got gprs up and running again. I rebooted, and withouth starting mokonnect, I pressed connect under settings. Works like a charm, with USB connected also. Dec 10 20:32:34 Ko_deZ: does it still work once you disconnect? Dec 10 20:32:50 IIRC it used to drop the DNS servers... Dec 10 20:33:10 which is kinda annoying :) Dec 10 20:34:28 and sometimes I loose GSM after shutting down GPRS. Dec 10 20:35:53 Can't seem to connect a second time, no. Same as with android :-( Dec 10 20:36:24 Now it sais connection status unknown. Dec 10 20:36:28 In the "previous unstable" I could recover by killing phonekitd and restarting frameworkd, but with current it doesn't seem to be that easy - sometimes I have to reboot Dec 10 20:36:45 Yeah, that's it Dec 10 20:37:08 Hummz. Dec 10 20:37:20 Haven't found a reliable way to repair that Dec 10 20:37:44 (actually yes, just reboot ;) ) Dec 10 20:37:51 Need to figure that one out. I need gprs to work. That is, I check live timings on the bus I catch to work to see if I have to run or not. Need that... Dec 10 20:38:06 where should I look to know if the advanced geocaching tool is build automatically with shr or not? Dec 10 20:38:34 rebooting is not a very good solution imo :-p Dec 10 20:38:50 Ko_deZ: seconded ;) Dec 10 20:38:57 Sounds like an M$ product Dec 10 20:39:27 Are there someone here that has looked into that though? Dec 10 20:39:35 Is there some logs I could look at? Dec 10 20:40:01 Ko_deZ: /var/log/frameworkd.log /var/log/phonefsod.log probably Dec 10 20:41:59 This is what I get: http://pastebin.com/m4f4fa392 Dec 10 20:43:05 frameworkd is stuck Dec 10 20:44:35 Seems so. Last line I get is "2009.12.10 21:34:53.19 ogsmd.device INFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.NetworkStatus: {'registration': 'unregistered'}" Dec 10 20:45:03 yes Dec 10 20:45:33 This time I could kill it (with SIGKILL) and it restarted successfully Dec 10 20:46:03 that's not always that easy :) Dec 10 20:50:27 Ko_deZ: DNS servers are not set anymore, btw Dec 10 20:50:30 I just killed it with SIGKILL as well. Started it back up, and had to enter pin code again. I am unable to reconnect again though. Dec 10 20:50:52 I haven't try to reconnect Dec 10 20:51:01 tried* Dec 10 20:51:44 I could call the phone again though. I could not do that after it crashed. Dec 10 20:52:17 Android has the same problem. The phone connects the first time, but fails after that. Dec 10 20:52:43 It does not crash entirely though. Making calls and such works fine. Dec 10 20:53:20 And wifi is stable, as in working every time, but not with all wlan routers. Dec 10 20:53:37 It is even slower than SHR though. Dec 10 20:55:26 But, back to SHR. Wlan should be stable some people say. What is the procedure for logging on to a wlan? Dec 10 20:56:37 What I do is I start Mokonnect, hit wlan, scan, select AP, and then hit "done" or whatever the button is. For me, it then freezes. Dec 10 20:57:37 mokonnect is unresponsive. Not every time, sometimes an empty log window appears, and even more rare, with a done button. I have a couple of times also been able to actually press the done button, but I am not getting my hopes up. Dec 10 21:00:22 Same here Dec 10 21:01:18 I think it works better than before, however. Dec 10 21:01:37 lol Dec 10 21:01:56 :) Dec 10 21:01:59 It has gone from not working to almost working? Dec 10 21:02:33 to "working once..." Dec 10 21:02:51 usually I can connect the 1st time Dec 10 21:02:53 Ah, I was talking about mokonnect and wlan. Dec 10 21:03:04 I am too Dec 10 21:03:26 I can usually connect once to the wlan Dec 10 21:03:36 Oh, I cannot connect at all. Crashes most of the time, never connects. Dec 10 21:03:55 unfortunately if the phone suspends I'm not sure to be able to connect again Dec 10 21:04:03 Let me try Dec 10 21:04:42 For now - unresponsive Dec 10 21:05:00 Triggering scan for 30 seconds Dec 10 21:05:11 SSID found, connecting Dec 10 21:05:21 ... DHCP takes ages Dec 10 21:05:41 timeout reached Dec 10 21:05:53 * McKael clicks Done Dec 10 21:06:00 * McKael tries again Dec 10 21:06:20 Done!! Dec 10 21:06:51 Manually removing usb default route Dec 10 21:07:34 Works fine :D Dec 10 21:08:00 So it worked on the 2nd attempt Dec 10 21:08:45 sounds like I should reinstall this thing and try again. Dec 10 21:09:09 Is your wlan special? (Hidden SSID, etc.) Dec 10 21:09:24 I can't get mine to work with WPA and hidden ssid Dec 10 21:10:12 Nope. And I actually got it working once. Dec 10 21:10:22 But, to me gprs is more important. Dec 10 21:10:31 I need gprs and a browser. Dec 10 21:11:14 I suggest links2 if your sites are compatible Dec 10 21:11:18 it's damn fast Dec 10 21:11:40 and the rendering is good on the FR Dec 10 21:11:49 x-links? Dec 10 21:11:54 links2 Dec 10 21:12:14 alright. Will try Dec 10 21:12:26 http://links.twibright.com/ Dec 10 21:12:31 Humm. Actually got gprs to work a second time. Dec 10 21:12:46 It isn't very finger-friendly, but it's good Dec 10 21:16:08 sounds interesting. Cannot find it in the repository. Dec 10 21:16:16 Do i have to compile it? Dec 10 21:16:24 No Dec 10 21:16:35 It is in the SHR repo Dec 10 21:16:45 links-x11? Dec 10 21:16:46 mrmoku added it a while ago Dec 10 21:16:50 Yes Dec 10 21:19:57 Alright. Will install that as soon as I have reinstalled my phone. I was stupid enought to venture out testing the nEo theme. That screwed things up quite a bit. Dec 10 21:20:52 Saw it in the repo, and used that to install it. What I got was a nice mix, with loads of text not visible and shit. Dec 10 21:21:53 lol Dec 10 21:22:05 * McKael has just install the theme packages Dec 10 21:22:32 Did you restart X? Dec 10 21:22:39 Should I stop now? :) Dec 10 21:22:53 Had me laughing for a while as well, until the reverting process got cut off by a suspend that should not have happened when the USB is plugged in. That was when the shit hit the fan. Dec 10 21:23:13 Yes, even rebooted the phone. Dec 10 21:23:24 You use nEo theme? Dec 10 21:23:55 No, still using default, but I've just opkg installed neo and niebiee Dec 10 21:27:13 well, keep away from neo at least. It was very fast, but that does not always help a whole lot. Dec 10 21:30:26 * McKael makes a backup... Dec 10 21:46:29 neo theme works here Dec 10 22:09:56 McKael, Ko_deZ: nEo theme is not suted for phoneui Dec 10 23:04:37 Hmm, when I switch back to gry theme I get a mix of both themes :/ Dec 10 23:11:16 McKael, again: nEo them is not f*in suited for phneui! will work on that as soon as there is less univesity stress and less partytime in my freetime Dec 10 23:12:07 and now is naptime. Dec 10 23:12:58 JesusMcCloud|zZz: I know, I saw your message but it was too late... Dec 10 23:14:39 Anyway, I think I'm back to normal. The gtk theme was still pointing to neo's gtk theme file. Dec 10 23:20:54 Hmm, intone, Enotes broken in testing, FYI Dec 10 23:20:57 'night! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 02:59:56 2009