**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 17 02:59:58 2009 Dec 17 03:51:22 ohai? Dec 17 05:25:32 Hi, i would like to build SHR distribution, which is best platform to do ? Dec 17 05:35:01 any one has idea on SHR distribution ? Dec 17 06:30:18 moin Dec 17 06:38:02 DocScrutinizer51: moin Dec 17 06:38:50 raster: awake for a small question? Dec 17 06:39:57 satish: yup Dec 17 06:46:43 hmm. just disapointed about another calendar's usability (guess which one) Dec 17 06:49:16 a calendar basically should be like a spreadsheet document with embedded object of *any* kind. Like phonecalls, postit notes, execution of aribrary commands Dec 17 06:50:43 DocScrutinizer51: interesting thought Dec 17 06:50:59 DocScrutinizer51: might want to talk with you about that someday :) Dec 17 06:51:07 now... kindergarten and shopping though :( Dec 17 06:51:13 bbl Dec 17 06:51:29 enjoy :-) Dec 17 07:46:09 have fun finger painting ! Dec 17 08:48:46 mrmoku|away: awake now :) Dec 17 09:04:42 raster: moo Dec 17 09:08:30 raster: has morphis sent his calendar widget to you for reviewing? Dec 17 09:08:48 DocScrutinizer51: docz! Dec 17 09:08:55 Heinervdm: not recently Dec 17 09:09:15 raster: ok, then i have to wait a bit longer Dec 17 09:09:27 i want to have it ;) Dec 17 09:29:46 raster: when,s ur flight? Dec 17 09:31:40 been and gone Dec 17 09:31:42 back in au Dec 17 09:41:57 good morning Dec 17 09:42:51 I wonder why openssh has been choosen instead of dropbear Dec 17 09:42:55 openssl is 3-4 times slower Dec 17 09:43:14 raster: heh nice Dec 17 09:44:12 raster: u been in korea, no? Dec 17 09:51:08 daniele_athome: there was a discussion about that half a year ago, and the result of that was to choose openssh Dec 17 09:52:30 dropbear missing some functions I forgot the details Dec 17 09:52:57 seem to remeber sshfs / fuse being one of them Dec 17 09:53:34 raster: morning :) Dec 17 09:53:59 raster: I don't understand how to get an icon loaded with an image from edj Dec 17 09:54:39 raster: elm_icon_file_set(icon, DEFAULT_THEME, "phoneui/images/pl-all.png"); Dec 17 09:55:21 looking at the elementary code I *think* to understand that file is the edj Dec 17 09:58:31 sshfs works nicely with dropbear AFAIK Dec 17 09:59:11 * mrmoku thinks it works because openssh-sshfs or something like that is installed Dec 17 09:59:31 spaetz: btw. congrats :D Dec 17 10:00:52 Thanks. :) Dec 17 10:01:33 Unfortunately my wife got 39 Fever and we went to the hospital where they put us together with all Swine flu suspects (although we are vaccinated) Dec 17 10:01:47 ohh :| Dec 17 10:02:15 Plus, little Johanna has 2 "Klumpfuesse" which can be treated, but needs to be treated within the first days of the birth. Dec 17 10:02:25 So lots of hospital running these days :-( Dec 17 10:02:29 :( Dec 17 10:14:15 Heinervdm, is it in ML? Dec 17 10:15:21 daniele_athome: i think main discussion was on IRC, perhaps there is a ticket about it on trac Dec 17 10:15:37 ok... i will seek for it Dec 17 10:16:06 Heinervdm, searched for openssh and dropbear, no results Dec 17 10:16:07 :( Dec 17 10:18:52 daniele_athome: we did even vote for it Dec 17 10:20:09 daniele_athome: http://www.mail-archive.com/shr-user@lists.shr-project.org/msg00065.html Dec 17 10:20:25 mrmoku, is there a safe way to replace openssh with dropbear without getting disconnected when I stop openssh? Dec 17 10:20:59 i would have voted for openssh Dec 17 10:21:23 daniele_athome: i usually do that inside of screen. don't know if that is what you are looking for. Dec 17 10:21:40 gonzoism, ok I will make a shell script... Dec 17 10:23:33 daniele_athome: then when i reconnect, i use: screen -DRR Dec 17 10:25:47 daniele_athome: that is one difference between openssh and dropbear Dec 17 10:25:48 ;) Dec 17 10:26:00 openssh won't kill open connections when being stopped Dec 17 10:26:44 mmm Dec 17 10:26:44 will we have a compcache enabled in new kernel? ;) Dec 17 10:27:18 dropbear is the crappybox for ssh Dec 17 10:27:40 DocScrutinizer51, i don't care, I just want fast ssh Dec 17 10:27:57 I activate it on demand, I don't keep ssh always open running Dec 17 10:30:09 http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ Dec 17 10:30:30 that all seems to be pro-openssh points. Not con Dec 17 10:31:37 DocScrutinizer51, what do you mean? Dec 17 10:34:07 I meant to state opensshd is probably not slower thn dropbear. it is easier to handle esp when started manually. and if you don't want an always active service then even size doesn't matter (which I ssume would be a point for dropbear otherwise) Dec 17 10:34:08 daniele_athome: the speed experience varies vastly Dec 17 10:34:15 daniele_athome: for me openssh is FAST Dec 17 10:34:33 mrmoku, login time is very long Dec 17 10:34:42 not for me Dec 17 10:34:45 no? Dec 17 10:34:48 no Dec 17 10:34:50 maybe I do something wrong... Dec 17 10:35:07 for me openssh login takes up to 7 seconds Dec 17 10:35:08 around 1.5s Dec 17 10:35:10 is it possible? Dec 17 10:35:24 I mean until password request Dec 17 10:35:30 daniele_athome: ok, I use a key Dec 17 10:35:38 and I guess you can optimize that by configuration Dec 17 10:36:05 pwreq shouldn't be any slower than pubkey Dec 17 10:36:18 DocScrutinizer51, i'm afraid it is Dec 17 10:36:18 anyway... have to put up a wall now :P Dec 17 10:36:30 (except for handling ;-) Dec 17 10:38:19 daniele_athome: nah. quite unlikely. it's both PAM modules on sshd Dec 17 10:38:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8915d729b296 10/libfsoframework/tests/testprocess.vala: libfsoframework: add unit test or GProcessGuard Dec 17 10:39:21 sigh Dec 17 10:39:40 PAM-plaintwxt (or whatever it's called) is even more lightweight than PAM-PK Dec 17 10:40:29 sftp doesn't work with dropbear Dec 17 10:40:31 is it possible? Dec 17 10:40:42 I should use openssh-sftp-server, I guess... Dec 17 10:41:23 hmm sftp worked for me in times when dropbear was default Dec 17 10:41:47 because the openssh thing was installed too Dec 17 10:42:55 mrmoku: hmm, ok. that's been reason for this particular wording I've chosen Dec 17 10:44:36 so what's the supposed benefits of crapbear anyway then? Dec 17 10:44:58 ok Dec 17 10:45:04 crapbear lol Dec 17 10:45:08 hat's pam-pk? Dec 17 10:45:10 what's pam-pk? Dec 17 10:46:19 lindi-_: my arbitrarily guessed nam of the PAM auth module for pubkey authentication Dec 17 10:46:31 name even Dec 17 10:47:03 DocScrutinizer51: ok, pam does not do it Dec 17 10:47:20 duh, sure? Dec 17 10:47:26 DocScrutinizer51: yes Dec 17 10:48:03 guys yesterday I was really tempted to replace shr with qtmoko Dec 17 10:48:14 and for some seconds I installed it Dec 17 10:48:21 but suddedly returned back to shr :D Dec 17 10:48:23 hmm. admittedly is a long time since I last messed around with sshd Dec 17 10:48:33 i was missing X and all the other things :D Dec 17 10:49:20 aah, as you mention it. crapbear doesn't know how to -X Dec 17 10:50:22 DocScrutinizer51, yes it does Dec 17 10:50:51 DocScrutinizer51: dropbear server implements x11forwarding. not sure about client Dec 17 10:53:02 k. so seems I'm really not that smart today. will shut up :-P Dec 17 10:58:08 daniele_athome: great to have another shr user in the community. glad to have you. Dec 17 11:02:30 so do any of you have a custom .screenrc on your freerunner ? Dec 17 11:05:52 also, do any of you have an opinion about http://enna.geexbox.org ? <-- efl based multimedia. Dec 17 11:06:21 enna is nice Dec 17 11:07:48 hrmf. when I boot my current shr-unstable, enlightenment segfaults quite soon. Dec 17 11:08:12 on clicking "recover", it restarts and segfaults right again. Dec 17 11:08:14 endless loop. Dec 17 11:09:10 I've had that happen a few times. rebooting seemed to help, but I eventuall reinstalled. if you ever get a shell, you might check dmesg for crc errors. I think that was causing mine. Dec 17 11:09:37 mickey|office: think it is a candidate for shr ? Dec 17 11:09:54 gonzoism: not before adapting it to a handheld size UI Dec 17 11:10:03 gonzoism: ssh via usb networking works fine. i have this problem for three days now, upgraded several times... Dec 17 11:10:04 but other than that, yeah Dec 17 11:10:51 gonzoism: nothing crc-related in dmesg Dec 17 11:11:35 what image did you start with, full or lite ? Dec 17 11:13:07 self-built lite Dec 17 11:13:21 and not really image, but rootfs.tar extracted onto uSD Dec 17 11:13:35 mrmoku, what a mess :( huge swell, but crazy winds, too hard to surf, crashed my board on the rocks :P Dec 17 11:13:38 (still intact though) Dec 17 11:13:40 only a minor bump Dec 17 11:13:42 as I guarded it with my body :P Dec 17 11:13:50 :P Dec 17 11:14:31 so your body is crashed then... nvm you only need brain and fingers... and as you're here chatting both seem to be ok :P Dec 17 11:14:56 Wonka: do you have zhone installed ? Dec 17 11:15:32 mrmoku, hehe, yeah :P Dec 17 11:15:41 I hope surf will get sane tomorrow though ;P Dec 17 11:15:48 rm'd tmp and rebuilt up to openmoko-icon-theme-standard2 which dies in do_package_write_ipk Dec 17 11:16:00 anyone seen this before? Dec 17 11:16:45 gonzoism: yes Dec 17 11:18:26 Wonka: I think zhone was causing me a lot of problems. I haven't had any significant problems since I quit installing it. prior to that, I was having all sorts of problems. shame too, because zhone is kinda nice. Dec 17 11:18:39 very nice, actually. Dec 17 11:20:13 i haven't been around long enough to know if zhone installation is common for everyone. anyone have zhone installed without problems ? Dec 17 11:23:04 or vice-versa ? Dec 17 11:25:41 problems without having zhone installed? ;-P Dec 17 11:27:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcab6034bdae6 10/libfsobasics/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: fix smartkeyfile unit tests; add firstAvailableProgram() utility function Dec 17 11:28:59 DocScrutinizer51: heh, more specifically, zhone installed and no problems. Dec 17 11:32:14 i think i'm going to have to go outside today... :( Dec 17 11:40:20 gonzoism: I have it installed on shr-unstable and no problems other than need to edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80zhone on some upgrades (shr-unstable) Dec 17 11:41:40 i would always edit that as well. Dec 17 11:48:57 what is the current state of zhone? i mean how stable what features since ms 5.5? Dec 17 11:53:59 no changes since ms 5.5 Dec 17 11:54:05 noone touched it Dec 17 11:54:20 i plan to use it as a testing tool, when fsogsmd is ready for primetime Dec 17 11:55:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f64c71ee7ae 10/libfsobasics/tests/Makefile.am: libfsobasics: this is 0.9.0 Dec 17 11:56:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcd836a336a8d 10/libfsobasics/configure.ac: libfsobasics: post-release version bump Dec 17 11:56:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r31b3da88ef84 10/libfsoframework/tests/testprocess: lbifsoframework: remove bogus binary Dec 17 12:09:26 Is it old news that the messages app n SHR (downloaded about1 month ago) says 'your storage is full - youneed to delete messages' when you get a text? But if I stick the SIM in another phone then I can see all the messages that arrived. (and I have 30) Dec 17 12:09:55 I can also only see 5 of the 30 messages in the SHR messages app Dec 17 12:10:40 wookey_, i heard of it but i never experienced it since new unstable Dec 17 12:11:00 wookey_, i have about 100 msgs in opimd and none on sim Dec 17 12:11:15 I guess my messages must be ont eh sim because they transferred withit Dec 17 12:11:26 wookey_, yuo Dec 17 12:11:27 I suppose save messages to sim or phone is a config option somewhere? Dec 17 12:11:46 wookey_, default is opimd contacts sql Dec 17 12:12:51 in shr settings under "other" ->"domains" you can change that. try changing it to sim messages, then reboot, delete all your msgs, delete /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages (or sth liek that) the set it back to sqlite message sin shr settings and reboot Dec 17 12:13:17 OK, will do. Dec 17 12:14:54 although simple deleting all the messages may well simple sidestep the bug rather than actually fix it? Dec 17 12:27:55 wookey_, well it is a workaround (if it works at all)... since i never experienced it a cannot tell you anythign about that bug Dec 17 12:29:49 how is current shr-U ? I am pondering to just merge in the current shr/merge tree and test it... Dec 17 12:30:36 spaetz, i just upgraded (previous upgrade was yesterday or so)phone is rebooting now, but until now, no issues whatsoever Dec 17 12:30:44 raster: ping :) Dec 17 12:33:52 ok cool, thanks Dec 17 12:43:14 * mrmoku lunch Dec 17 12:51:43 mrmoku: pong Dec 17 13:06:41 hi all Dec 17 13:14:37 heh Dec 17 13:14:43 * mrmoku and raster are out of sync :P Dec 17 13:23:11 mrmoku: maybe jetlag ;-P Dec 17 13:37:55 DocScrutinizer51: not on my side ;) Dec 17 13:38:07 though... I think I found out what I need to know by googling around Dec 17 14:41:53 I am using my freerunner and tangogps on shr to do some mapping for open street map. How often does tangogps read it's position, osm recomend setting it to every second and I cant see where to do that Dec 17 14:43:34 feisar, by default, TangoGPS gets your position every second. :) Dec 17 14:43:57 linkmauve__: great, thanks :) Dec 17 16:02:00 mrmoku: ping Dec 17 16:07:06 Slyon: poong Dec 17 16:07:42 mrmoku: i have the template for the phonelog genlist ready Dec 17 16:08:02 Slyon: great... can you commit it as phonelog.edc? Dec 17 16:08:17 mrmoku: i added it to default.edc Dec 17 16:08:29 like the messages genlist-template, etc Dec 17 16:08:31 ahh, ok :) Dec 17 16:08:40 I was thinking about splitting them again Dec 17 16:08:55 and use #include Dec 17 16:08:59 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07libphone-ui-shr * r9562f8ca1803 10/data/default.edc: add Genlisttemplate for phoneui-phonelog Dec 17 16:09:03 to include them all in default.edc Dec 17 16:09:16 mrmoku: yes, i think splitting is good Dec 17 16:09:23 yeah, will do that Dec 17 16:10:22 mrmoku: another question: if i do a "git diff" in my libphone-ui-shr" folder i always get some changes in the translation (.po) files, even if i don't change anything there Dec 17 16:10:39 is this normal? Dec 17 16:13:04 hmm, no Dec 17 16:13:17 Slyon: do you build in your git tree? Dec 17 16:13:23 then probably yes Dec 17 16:13:49 mrmoku: yes is do Dec 17 16:14:51 hmm... git diff does not show files it does not know about (as default) Dec 17 16:15:15 Slyon: is it a real diff or an empty diff? Dec 17 16:15:45 brb Dec 17 16:15:52 mrmoku: it looks like a patch Dec 17 16:15:59 so i assume its a real diff? Dec 17 16:19:51 well, actually it doesn't matter. it was bad, as i used to commit via "git commit -am" but i can just commit the files i changed directly Dec 17 16:22:54 TAsn: i pushed the phonelog genlist-template. the parts you need are: elm.text (top left), elm.text.2 (top right), elm.text.sub (bottom left), elm.text.sub.2 (bottom right), elm.swallow.end (to swallow a hover to the right) Dec 17 16:29:12 Slyon: if you committed all your changes... do a git reset --hard Dec 17 16:29:21 Slyon: changes should be gone after Dec 17 16:33:17 mrmoku: worked, thanks :) Dec 17 16:33:25 :) Dec 17 17:15:24 Slyon|away, sweet, thanks a lot. Dec 17 17:15:36 brb Dec 17 17:59:39 mrmoku|away, once in a while the screen just moves to and stays 40% dimmed. Dec 17 18:00:04 :| Dec 17 18:00:23 anyhow, ciao for the meanwhile. Dec 17 19:18:29 is the evopedia author here? Dec 17 19:21:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra28baba15727 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dec 17 19:21:27 freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: add new class ReactorChannel. This encapsulates an IOChannel that Dec 17 19:21:27 freesmartphone.org: gets hooked up with the mainloop. If data is available, it is being read and Dec 17 19:21:27 freesmartphone.org: the dataReadyFunc is being called. Dec 17 19:26:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r72dbc8f16b36 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: ReactorChannel: call delegate with (null, 0) on HUP Dec 17 19:46:39 ~lart C Dec 17 19:46:39 * apt puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, C, this won't hurt a bit...." Dec 17 19:50:14 JesusMcCloud: nah ;) Dec 17 19:50:39 mrmoku, oh yes! Dec 17 19:52:01 i am practically fourious with rage: 2 #defines and 6 LOC later i am alreaddy out of meaningful variables for character-by-character comparison without \0 byte, waaaaarhg! Dec 17 19:52:24 s/variables/varaible names/ Dec 17 19:52:24 JesusMcCloud meant: i am practically fourious with rage: 2 #defines and 6 LOC later i am alreaddy out of meaningful varaible names for character-by-character comparison without \0 byte, waaaaarhg! Dec 17 20:17:16 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r340a8187d372 10/data/ (15 files): split default.edc into multiple files... too BIG Dec 17 20:26:19 * gonzoism is gone. Gone since Tue Dec 15 23:18:00 2009 Dec 17 20:29:43 mrmoku, THANK GOD (last commit) :P Dec 17 20:29:57 still into one edk though? Dec 17 20:30:01 edj* Dec 17 20:31:02 yup Dec 17 20:31:03 sure Dec 17 20:31:10 :| Dec 17 20:31:15 That should be fixed sometime :P Dec 17 20:31:19 why=? Dec 17 20:31:28 no reason to load edj for messages Dec 17 20:31:35 if we use other backend for messagse Dec 17 20:31:39 messages* Dec 17 20:31:46 a waste of ram. Dec 17 20:31:55 hmm Dec 17 20:32:02 that is an argument I understand Dec 17 20:32:11 :P Dec 17 20:32:14 on the other hand... that makes theming more complicated :| Dec 17 20:32:20 really? why? Dec 17 20:32:23 if so, nvm. :P Dec 17 20:32:29 Well Dec 17 20:32:32 Themes are for sissies anyway Dec 17 20:32:40 Ainulindale, GUIs are for sissies! Dec 17 20:32:43 if not ncurses themes, right :P Dec 17 20:32:44 One shouldn't ask for more than CLI Dec 17 20:33:04 TAsn: let me develop my troll properly will you? :-) Dec 17 20:33:13 Ainulindale: well... you have that already Dec 17 20:33:20 Ainulindale, sorry, I'm not such a good troll :( Dec 17 20:33:25 So what are you doing? We don't need anything more :-) Dec 17 20:33:34 don't know if you will make it in time to call the dbus command to unlock the screen... and then to answer the incoming phonecall :P Dec 17 20:33:38 My trolls sum up with saying "iphone sucks" Dec 17 20:33:43 in an iphone fanboys forum Dec 17 20:33:43 mrmoku: heh Dec 17 20:33:46 jl_gene, commited emtooth stuff, using fso now. Enable/disable pairing and discoverable is supported now too. You may want to build it and send it by mail or pass me an url to try it :) Dec 17 20:34:01 and Mac sucks in digg when there's an article about macs :P Dec 17 20:34:26 Well Dec 17 20:34:29 I have a mac Dec 17 20:34:33 Under Linux Dec 17 20:34:36 (Didn't buy it) Dec 17 20:34:42 (Professional computer) Dec 17 20:34:49 Yeah, I know. :P Dec 17 20:35:04 Just don't leave it unattended around me. Dec 17 20:35:11 Well to me anything able to run fluxbox/xfce is enough Dec 17 20:35:13 Us israelies like bombing the crap out of Macs Dec 17 20:35:14 :PY Dec 17 20:35:17 yeah :-) Dec 17 20:35:17 saw that Dec 17 20:35:28 Kinda strange :-) Dec 17 20:35:30 To tell you the truth Dec 17 20:35:37 As I know more details about this story Dec 17 20:35:42 that girl is full of it. Dec 17 20:35:56 First of all, as you can see in the pics Dec 17 20:36:06 those are *NOT* handgun bullet holes Dec 17 20:36:17 it's actually a bomb disarming robot Dec 17 20:36:30 who made those holes :P Dec 17 20:36:47 Heh Dec 17 20:37:09 As for why, I don't know, but they said they had good enough reasons to do it. Dec 17 20:37:15 yeah Dec 17 20:37:23 I don't really care anyways :-) Dec 17 20:37:26 Bombing Macs is not that cheap :P Dec 17 20:37:28 It was a mac under macos Dec 17 20:37:34 And they disassembled the HD Dec 17 20:37:35 It was worth the ripping off Dec 17 20:37:38 *before* Dec 17 20:37:41 they blew it. Dec 17 20:37:51 Which makes things even weirder Dec 17 20:37:57 as they claim they thought it's a bomb :P Dec 17 20:38:05 That's why I don't trust governments :P Dec 17 20:38:16 Anyhow, It was a mac under macos It was worth the ripping off Dec 17 20:38:19 Exactly what I said Dec 17 20:38:53 anyhow Dec 17 20:39:45 /exec grep food /home/kitchen Dec 17 20:40:19 linux jokes, they sucked since ever Dec 17 20:40:23 No such file or directory Dec 17 20:40:25 but people still use them :P Dec 17 20:40:37 Ainulindale, didn't you move like a month ago?! Dec 17 20:40:40 TAsn: well my own preferred still keeps being bb|!bb Dec 17 20:40:45 How come you still don't have a kitchen? Dec 17 20:40:49 TAsn: I have one Dec 17 20:40:55 oh, :P Dec 17 20:40:57 I'm just too busy to get to it Dec 17 20:41:00 hehe. Dec 17 20:41:01 Or rather Dec 17 20:41:02 Too lazy Dec 17 20:41:15 actually there's a flaw in my one-liner Dec 17 20:41:21 You seem to think I'd be able to live in some place with no kitchen Dec 17 20:41:27 grep -r food /home/kitchen Dec 17 20:41:38 That's not knowing my well-known ability to stuff anything edible into my mouth Dec 17 20:41:43 Ainulindale, I just assumed you didn't unpack the kitchen yet. Dec 17 20:41:51 Well I moved in april Dec 17 20:42:00 REALLY?! Dec 17 20:42:01 wow. Dec 17 20:42:07 Time goes by fast :P Dec 17 20:42:16 And the kitchen was the first thing I moved, along with the coffee machine and my server/hi-fi Dec 17 20:42:22 For some reason I remembered it was 2-3 months ago. Dec 17 20:42:28 You seem to lag a bit Dec 17 20:42:43 Ainulindale, I usually do. Dec 17 20:42:52 :-) Dec 17 20:42:53 But actually, there's a storm here Dec 17 20:42:59 Snow here:-) Dec 17 20:43:04 and when there's a storm, everything lag even more... Dec 17 20:43:08 Ainulindale, in paris? Dec 17 20:43:24 My family went skiing in cervinia Dec 17 20:43:29 my lame brother broke his arm :P Dec 17 20:44:14 Ainulindale, anyhow, it seems that "grep" returned some results, and that I'm lagging even more than before :P Dec 17 20:44:19 so ciao. Dec 17 20:44:56 TAsn: bon appétit Dec 17 20:45:10 merci. Dec 17 20:45:26 De rien :-) Dec 17 21:36:41 i don't know why. but this page ist still missing: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php?title=User:TAsn Dec 17 21:39:41 hehe :P Dec 17 21:39:48 I registered under TAsn2 Dec 17 21:39:51 (j/k) Dec 17 21:40:09 I will do it over the weekend, I promise (I think( Dec 17 21:40:17 I really didn't have the time ;( Dec 17 21:40:20 anyhow, ciao again. Dec 17 21:40:31 ciao **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 18 02:59:56 2009