**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 23 02:59:57 2009 Dec 23 08:06:26 morning Dec 23 08:06:38 moin Dec 23 08:09:14 moin Dec 23 08:16:20 what is a good excuse for not having to accompany the girlfriend to her parents for tree-decorating activities? Dec 23 08:16:37 can someone test navit ipk in few minutes for me? I've updated rev for navit and navit-icon, but my neo is off and I cannot test if it runs ok Dec 23 08:17:24 blindcoder: try to say, that you have to test navit build instead :P Dec 23 08:18:31 JaMa: hehe, nice try, but she doesn't like the FR, unless she's allowed to play neomis Dec 23 08:19:03 ah :(, maybe we can bump neomis too :) Dec 23 08:21:50 btw, talking about neomis Dec 23 08:22:05 we should bump it and have it occupy a ressource that prevents screen dimming Dec 23 08:23:19 as you advance to 8 or 9 signals you get a dimmed screen at the last signal, bad when playing without sound ;) Dec 23 08:23:48 blindcoder: neomis i latest rev 6 in shr, but maybe we need to bump PR to get rebuild against newer e libs? Dec 23 08:24:49 blindcoder: you can easily add fsoraw call to Exec in its .desktop file.. or send a patch for that.. Dec 23 08:25:07 * JaMa never played neomis.. Dec 23 08:27:26 JaMa: fsoraw: which ressource should I use? Dec 23 08:30:00 Display Dec 23 08:30:46 okay, thanks Dec 23 08:35:11 yay, editing the .desktop makes baby e segfault ;( Dec 23 08:36:14 duh Dec 23 08:37:01 'olà blindcoder Dec 23 08:37:01 necessitating a reboot, even Dec 23 08:37:03 hey Doc Dec 23 08:38:15 blindcoder: which editor? Dec 23 08:38:35 DocScrutinizer51: vim Dec 23 08:38:41 hmm Dec 23 08:39:00 shouldn't do any nasty :-/ Dec 23 08:39:00 root@neo:~# vim /usr/share/applications/neomis.desktop Dec 23 08:39:32 segv on save? Dec 23 08:39:55 openssl oops: http://shr.pastebin.com/m1aa6b0b Dec 23 08:39:57 DocScrutinizer51: yeah Dec 23 08:40:11 e hickup Dec 23 08:40:30 prolly you can't reproduce it Dec 23 08:40:50 great, just what I need on my first coffee :P Dec 23 08:41:07 *if* you can this would be a very interesting one Dec 23 08:41:24 hehe. Dec 23 08:41:53 * DocScrutinizer51 considers getting his 2nd latte m. Dec 23 08:42:29 blindcoder: out of mem maybe? Dec 23 08:42:40 DocScrutinizer51: 2GB swap Dec 23 08:42:45 duh Dec 23 08:42:48 I hope not ;) Dec 23 08:42:55 wtf?! Dec 23 08:43:10 yeah, it's a big SD card Dec 23 08:43:18 and I have no idea what to use the space for Dec 23 08:43:31 so I have 6GB mounted on /root, and 2GB swap Dec 23 08:43:58 actually I think it's contraproductive to have *that* much Dec 23 08:44:42 just because little CPU will be busy with mem-managing Dec 23 08:44:44 can freeze you device swapping for hours ;-) Dec 23 08:45:12 so far I never needed swap save for opkg upgrading Dec 23 08:46:03 yup get smaller swap and download some pr0n or whatever to your neo to use empty space for something usefull :) Dec 23 08:46:46 lol Dec 23 08:46:52 hehehe Dec 23 08:46:55 hi JaMa Dec 23 08:47:32 btw, do_install_append() should work for modifying neomis.desktop, right? Dec 23 08:48:00 * DocScrutinizer51 drooling over the 48GB of the phone in his hands Dec 23 08:48:20 blindcoder: you need it with _shr override (as other distros probably don't have fsoraw) Dec 23 08:49:00 JaMa: so do_install_append_shr? Dec 23 08:49:03 blindcoder: and as .desktop file is in source.. I would add normal patch for that Dec 23 08:49:25 blindcoder: or just add it with sed ie in do_configure Dec 23 08:50:00 JaMa: now I'm adding with sed in do_installappend, doesn't really matter that much, does it? Dec 23 08:50:59 JaMa: a patch, necessitating a new directory seems overkill for this Dec 23 08:51:29 duh how did you manage to make that underline starting at "a" of installappend? s Dec 23 08:51:51 DocScrutinizer51: no idea, actually Dec 23 08:52:34 probably an irssi parsing bug Dec 23 08:52:42 there's a '_' between install and append Dec 23 08:52:49 hehe Dec 23 08:53:06 let's _see_ Dec 23 08:53:10 nah Dec 23 08:53:18 blindcoder: I wouldn't do it in do_install, because its modifiing sources.. and do_install/do_stage are a bit more difficult than do_configure/do_compile Dec 23 08:53:30 may \_this way? Dec 23 08:53:46 JaMa: okay, so do_configure_prepend_shr? Dec 23 08:54:16 k no irssi here Dec 23 08:54:18 blindcoder: I would do it there.. Dec 23 08:54:44 JaMa: alright, changing, testing, sending patch later Dec 23 08:55:22 yeah. and change your swap to 512M Dec 23 08:55:26 ;-D Dec 23 08:56:28 blindcoder: do you have it as file or partition? Dec 23 08:56:49 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how much is the management structures overhead in RAM to handle 2GB of swap Dec 23 08:56:50 DocScrutinizer51: any idea if file or partition is wearing sd more? Dec 23 08:56:52 JaMa: partition Dec 23 08:57:24 JaMa: I would say file Dec 23 08:57:40 JaMa: clearly file. If any diff. In real life doesn't matter Dec 23 08:57:41 JaMa: because in addition to changing actual data you have to write filesystem metadata Dec 23 08:58:03 JaMa: atime, mtime, journal, if any Dec 23 08:58:24 blindcoder: ah .. yes Dec 23 08:59:28 I think it's basically no diff as kernel swap daemon will keep the file open Dec 23 09:00:19 journaling should be bypassed if feasible. mtime and atime won't be changed Dec 23 09:00:43 just one time at mounting swap Dec 23 09:01:13 then I'll stay with file Dec 23 09:02:06 probably file has a lot more of cpu overhaed Dec 23 09:02:23 * JaMa has pretty cheap sd still about 8 times faster than glamo throughput Dec 23 09:02:29 :) Dec 23 09:03:20 NOTE: Running task 884 of 1875 (ID: 727, /home/blindcoder/PROJEKTE/SHR-import/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/efl1/evas_svn.bb, do_configure) Dec 23 09:03:25 heh. I'm tempted o do a dd test on N900 Dec 23 09:03:36 okay, will take a while to test neomis recipe ;) Dec 23 09:04:14 blindcoder: and you can kill some time with navit testing :) Dec 23 09:04:22 JaMa: I don't actually use navit Dec 23 09:04:38 ah ok Dec 23 09:04:45 I don't do much GPS at all, to be honest Dec 23 09:04:58 at least no more since they blew up a geocache here recently Dec 23 09:06:14 * blindcoder goes doing something he's not very proud of, but addicted to: playing Sims 3 Dec 23 09:06:17 see you later Dec 23 09:06:21 isn,t it a joke we now get compliments for the exceptionally good GPS on FR compared to e.g N900. That's not always been like that ;-P Dec 23 09:12:45 DocScrutinizer, Remember that hack I was talking about earlier Dec 23 09:12:54 Dieter is presenting it at 26c3: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3608.en.html Dec 23 09:15:16 heh Dieter is really Mr EvilGSMHacker Dec 23 09:16:01 Sargun: still no DoS for the backbone resolver server (forgot the correct name) Dec 23 09:16:13 huh? Dec 23 09:16:22 Dieter says "allocating multiple *channels*" Dec 23 09:16:32 But, it'll flood the BTS, and probably the BTS's connectivity. Dec 23 09:16:41 which clearly is taking down the local BTS Dec 23 09:17:06 and *only* the BTS Dec 23 09:17:08 I researched the hack a little bit more, and found that 90% of BTSs only have 64kbit/sec of bandwidth to the MSC. Often they aggregate these to a T1, or similar. Dec 23 09:17:35 yup Dec 23 09:17:36 So, it would be very hard to take down a large number of BTSs, but you could still cause some gnarly states in the telco network Dec 23 09:18:30 because if you take down one BTS, another BTS will try to recover the phones in that cell Dec 23 09:18:32 that's why I say a DoS to MSC is impossible Dec 23 09:18:56 hypothetically, you can make a fairly distributed DoS, hitting all BTSs that you have coverage with Dec 23 09:19:05 only if the phones all take notice of the BTS outage Dec 23 09:19:19 (see C1 C2) Dec 23 09:20:14 as long as the BCC is sending beacons I don't think a single phone may try to handover to a different BTS Dec 23 09:20:34 hm Dec 23 09:22:20 but did you know a 112 call kicks all other clients off the data channel? Dec 23 09:22:35 112 call? Dec 23 09:22:55 emergency call Dec 23 09:23:07 ah, I wonder if 911 does the same thing Dec 23 09:24:47 purpose probably being to allow even MTS with broken timing or too far away from BTS for a correct timeadvance to successfully conect to BTS Dec 23 09:25:20 and yes, 911 is in US what 112 is in EU Dec 23 09:26:55 yes, but US implementations of GSM slightly differ from the "right" implementation Dec 23 09:27:39 surprise surprise :-P Dec 23 09:28:56 blindcoder: any comments on that surprising fact? ;-D Dec 23 09:29:28 for example. there are certain remote provisioning codes are borken Dec 23 09:29:39 blindcoder, Hey, I have some questions for you, if you're pokable. Dec 23 09:31:20 morning Dec 23 09:31:44 Q-Master, Moin! Dec 23 09:33:46 a pity I seem to fail to join 26C3 Dec 23 09:38:36 DocScrutinizer51: well, we have different software stacks for "Worldmarket" and "some big carrier in the US" Dec 23 09:38:39 same here, feeling lousy Dec 23 09:39:20 DocScrutinizer51: I dare you to ask me which one works fine and which one is an imperial PITA Dec 23 09:39:58 moin Sargun Dec 23 09:39:59 hehe Dec 23 09:40:11 mickey|office: :-( Dec 23 09:40:31 Sargun: sorry to disappoint, but the response was mainly: some guy on the internet wants access to MAP and you actually consider that? Dec 23 09:40:35 just not that nicely worded Dec 23 09:40:41 haha. Dec 23 09:40:59 blindcoder, Hey, I investigated the SS7 thing I was talking about earlier. I convinced my employer into getting a trunk. Dec 23 09:41:25 AKA: I convinced them to spend upto $1000/mo, and about $20k in setup fees if I can provide them a receiving side SMSC. Dec 23 09:41:43 * blindcoder ponders the cost of a ulticom license and goes "wow" Dec 23 09:42:21 Well, I mean, you can build an SMSC in under $20k if you don't need redundancy Dec 23 09:43:10 blindcoder, How much does an ulticom license cost? Dec 23 09:43:12 redundance is overrated if some stupid operator updates all HLRs at once :P Dec 23 09:43:26 Sargun: well, ever considered buying an Audi Q7 with everything included? Dec 23 09:43:43 hehe Dec 23 09:43:44 Sargun: you can almost get one license for that car Dec 23 09:43:47 who needs redundany for hacking ;-P Dec 23 09:43:51 really, shit? Dec 23 09:43:57 DocScrutinizer, yeah, except this is for production :-P Dec 23 09:44:00 yup Dec 23 09:44:19 http://www.netfors.com/ss7_smsc < I talked to these guys, and just for their SMSC product set, their pricing was about $15k Dec 23 09:45:20 nice Dec 23 09:45:26 just don't ask huawei Dec 23 09:45:34 I've seen how they cable stuff together Dec 23 09:45:47 at least in one instance Dec 23 09:46:14 Doesn't your employer build HLRs/SMSCs? Dec 23 09:46:47 HLRs and INs and some more stuff, but the SMSCs are not in our dept, probably not even in my country Dec 23 09:47:00 I was thinking of buying SS7 trunk from either Mobile365 ( http://www.sybase.com/mobileservices/operator-services ) or verisign Dec 23 09:47:23 Verisign's prices were absolutely nuts, like $7500/mo for 6 channels. Dec 23 09:48:31 well, prices in the telco market seem to be nuts wherever you look Dec 23 09:49:11 Have you dealt with different SS7 providers? Dec 23 09:49:17 a small, two-site, 3-million-subscriber HLR costs a nice 7-digit number in EUR. and that's just setup. Dec 23 09:49:45 no, we're using ulticom exclusively Dec 23 09:50:04 Well, ulticom just provides the hardware/software Dec 23 09:50:10 what about the actual PSTN interconnect Dec 23 09:50:41 never got in touch with that Dec 23 09:50:50 shit my home AP want to die today :/ Dec 23 09:51:04 Also, it seems like it's impossible to find anyone who has knowledge to setup an SMSC in the USA, who doesn't want to charge a metric asston Dec 23 09:51:29 I've seen the local telcos lay kilometers of SS7 cable, but generally I don't touch anything outside my racks Dec 23 09:51:43 whoa Dec 23 09:51:57 Well, alternatively, I could go over SIGTRAN, and I'd be just as happy. Dec 23 09:54:01 anyway, time to go shopping, need ingredients for cake :) Dec 23 09:54:03 see you Dec 23 09:54:09 Cake? Dec 23 09:54:18 Cake at a time like this? What are you thinking! Dec 23 09:54:20 and unfortunately, I won't be az 26C3 either this year :( Dec 23 09:54:34 why not? It's Jesus' birthday! Dec 23 09:54:46 * Sargun neither Dec 23 09:55:40 mrmoku|away: please build feed (navit) Dec 23 09:56:04 * blindcoder takes any excuse for cake-making Dec 23 09:56:56 blindcoder: you can send me two per week ;-D Dec 23 09:57:24 if they're tasty *only* Dec 23 10:09:36 Sargun: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3555.en.html Dec 23 10:10:48 I saw. Dec 23 10:30:44 and probably this one is just the even better sequell to Dieter's talk: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3535.en.html Dec 23 10:35:16 Ainulindale: ping Dec 23 10:35:53 ~seen Ainulindale Dec 23 10:36:03 !seen Ainulindale Dec 23 10:36:05 dos1, Ainulindale is right here! Dec 23 10:36:06 :x Dec 23 10:36:12 ainulindale is currently on #oe (15h 13m 19s) #openmoko (15h 13m 19s) #openmoko-cdevel (15h 13m 19s), last said: 'any kind of GUI is wrong'. Dec 23 10:36:30 it was few days ago! Dec 23 10:37:09 I'm there Dec 23 10:37:20 Busy for 20 minutes or so Dec 23 10:37:23 THen I'm all yours Dec 23 11:07:11 Ainulindale: so? ;) Dec 23 11:08:33 dos1: so no new opimd in repo yet? 8) Dec 23 11:09:22 morning... Dec 23 11:10:31 TAsn, mrmoku|away: what about postinst?! Dec 23 12:11:33 hi all Dec 23 12:18:18 hi pbaxter Dec 23 12:19:44 hi sybren Dec 23 14:02:11 hello there Dec 23 14:02:24 I have some problems with illume keyboard and widget focus state in elementary Dec 23 14:02:35 hello Dec 23 14:02:38 I need focus on the background because of a key binding Dec 23 14:02:45 * JaMa|Away off for few days.. bye Dec 23 14:02:52 bye JaMa|Away merry christmas Dec 23 14:03:22 when I click on a text entry, illume pops out its keyboard Dec 23 14:03:34 when I click away, e.g. an AnchorBlock, I don't know who has the focus Dec 23 14:03:45 I tried setting key press signal on *every* widget in the window Dec 23 14:03:53 no one capture the signal Dec 23 14:04:21 and (of course) focus_out signal on text entry doesn't work Dec 23 14:06:39 u2 Dec 23 14:18:28 hi Dec 23 14:22:43 stupid question maybe, but i have a working connection between my freerunner and my laptop (I can ssh to my phone). Now how do I make the freerunner use my laptop's internet connection? Dec 23 14:54:08 daniele_athome: use edje and evas events, luke Dec 23 14:54:33 dos1, what do you mean? Dec 23 14:54:51 daniele_athome: listen to signals emited by whole window Dec 23 14:55:02 dos1, is it possible? Dec 23 14:55:14 trying to call event_callback_add on the window doesn't work Dec 23 14:55:37 that's why I set the key handler on a widget instead of the entire window Dec 23 14:55:39 so you won't need focus for making key bindings Dec 23 14:55:52 daniele_athome: try evas_get Dec 23 14:56:08 mmm Dec 23 14:56:12 (in python it's window.evas_get(), dunno how it is in C) Dec 23 14:56:24 and operate on that evas object Dec 23 14:56:42 ok i'm trying Dec 23 14:56:46 or edje, i don't remember now which will be more useable for you Dec 23 14:56:47 ;) Dec 23 14:57:30 but for sure it's somehow possible Dec 23 15:00:41 dos1, http://pastebin.com/m52ed28d4 Dec 23 15:00:43 doesn't work Dec 23 15:00:47 self is the elementary.Window Dec 23 15:01:48 nooo Dec 23 15:02:13 what is it? :D Dec 23 15:02:36 you realize that without documentation is not easy to develop with elementary/evas Dec 23 15:02:39 :( Dec 23 15:02:40 daniele_athome: wait a moment... i'll try to do something here Dec 23 15:02:49 ok Dec 23 15:02:51 there is documentation Dec 23 15:02:53 thank you Dec 23 15:03:18 http://docs.enlightenment.org/ Dec 23 15:03:54 that's the first page I searched for this issue Dec 23 15:04:21 for the focus thing I needed to search some other program that use it :) Dec 23 15:24:25 Upgrading phoneuid on root from 0.0.0+gitr164+024379fd49c24304a341c2cf09cd0c0eff8969dd-r5.4 to 0.0.0+gitr166+215e0b6e021e27cd042d675ec91d501a03211091-r6.4... Dec 23 15:24:26 Seems I've found a replace shr-today shr-today Dec 23 15:24:28 Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed/armv4t/phoneuid_0.0.0+gitr166+215e0b6e021e27cd042d675ec91d501a03211091-r6.4_armv4t.ipk Dec 23 15:24:29 Removing package shr-today from root... Dec 23 15:24:52 hmm, i hope i have that opkg bug, as i'm still using shr-today :p Dec 23 15:29:45 eh, it's removed :( Dec 23 15:49:28 dos1: why that? Dec 23 15:50:03 mrmoku: is aux locking/unlocking already implemented? Dec 23 15:50:08 yup Dec 23 15:50:09 (i didn't upgrade for some time) Dec 23 15:50:16 ok, so i'll give it a try ;) Dec 23 15:50:35 the only big problem is when it locks before fso is ready Dec 23 15:51:00 then it is missing signal strength (and maybe others) until and update signal comes along Dec 23 16:04:16 dos1, anything from the key press thing? :) Dec 23 16:13:37 i'm trying to bitbake python-edje, latest svn revision Dec 23 16:13:42 I get an error on do_install Dec 23 16:15:32 http://pastebin.com/f3590b2f2 Dec 23 16:15:45 it complains about an image file not found for compiling an .edc file Dec 23 16:15:58 the problem didn't occur with previous svn revisions Dec 23 16:21:55 hey guys. What happened to auto-suspend? It doesn't automatically turn off when I plug in USB power Dec 23 16:22:28 the charging rate does change 100 -> 500 mA Dec 23 16:41:12 mrmoku: ping :) Dec 23 16:43:35 beniwtv: pong Dec 23 16:44:53 mrmoku: I originally wanted to ask you to add libsyncml to the SHR feeds, but I've seen it's already there this morning. Was that you? In that case, huge thanks! :) Dec 23 16:45:44 beniwtv: was me... and I even pinged you :P Dec 23 16:46:29 mrmoku: Well thanks again! You just made my day :) I have the FR now syncing well with PISI and my home server and a Samsung phone. How cool is that? Dec 23 16:46:31 :) Dec 23 16:46:45 very much cool :) Dec 23 16:47:34 I'm realy starting to enjoy my FR with the new releases of SHR. It's getting better every day. But now I'm addicted to Liquid wars :-/ Dec 23 16:54:39 Hey, I've added a phone number to my contacts but now my contacts list won't load any more :-/ (exits instantaneously) Any ideas? Dec 23 17:00:37 reinouts: Did you put any special characters in the name or so? Have you tried starting it from a console to see if there's any error message? Dec 23 17:56:15 dos1, opimd's postinst? Dec 23 17:56:40 I didn't yet find time to do it, though it should be terribly easy. Dec 23 18:43:47 didn't someone tell there was linphone in SHR? Dec 23 18:44:01 it is not in my shr-unstable... Dec 23 18:46:48 mickey|cold: do you have a cold... or is it just cold? :P Dec 23 18:48:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8dd650901b76 10/libfsobasics/ (fsobasics/threading.vala tests/testthreading.vala): libfsobasics: add callDelegateOnNewThread(), which happily segfaults all over Dec 23 18:48:27 i have one Dec 23 18:48:31 sore throat since days Dec 23 18:48:36 ohh, sorry :| Dec 23 18:48:37 hurts like hell when swallowing Dec 23 18:48:55 just in time or xmas Dec 23 18:48:56 *sigh* Dec 23 18:48:58 s/or/for/ Dec 23 18:49:04 heh, yes Dec 23 18:49:22 mickey|cold: one question... does ogsmd implement the SignalStrength signal? Dec 23 18:49:28 API says it's optional Dec 23 18:49:35 and I don't get any Dec 23 18:49:38 depends on the modem Dec 23 18:49:42 for the calypso, you should get some Dec 23 18:49:52 but they might be rare Dec 23 18:49:59 take a look at the debug output Dec 23 18:50:04 if you see %CSQ arriving Dec 23 18:50:09 and not getting signal strength messages Dec 23 18:50:12 then there is a bug Dec 23 18:50:17 ah, ok Dec 23 18:50:18 thanks Dec 23 18:50:22 np Dec 23 18:50:28 and get better fast :) Dec 23 18:50:36 thanks.i'll try my best Dec 23 19:24:29 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * rd8f393bc14e3 10/src/phoneui-info.c: phoneui-info: take signal strength from network status too Dec 23 19:59:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * raaa3c48296c8 10/src/server.vala: fix swapped params for OpenSession Dec 23 20:12:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r4d842cb65d45 10/gsm0710mux/ (manager.vala multiplexer.vala): add note about forceful shutdown out of 07.10 mode (should fix that eventually) Dec 23 20:26:58 mrmoku, last commit, nice :P Dec 23 20:27:11 mrmoku, what about opimd? Dec 23 20:27:34 when do we want to move to the new version? Dec 23 20:28:11 TAsn: I will move to italy tomorrow morning :P Dec 23 20:28:40 yeah, I remember :P Dec 23 20:28:43 until the 2nd, right? Dec 23 20:28:47 so either you organize it with spaetz and/or dos1 Dec 23 20:28:52 or on the 2nd yes Dec 23 20:29:06 I'll just wait, as I don't have time myself :P Dec 23 20:29:11 sad thing is that I'm really offline :| Dec 23 20:29:16 btw, I can't explain this Dec 23 20:29:20 for some reason Dec 23 20:29:32 this winter produces waves ALL THE TIME Dec 23 20:29:38 it wasn't like this in previous winters :P Dec 23 20:29:41 hehe Dec 23 20:30:06 take care and don't protect your board with your body too often then ;) Dec 23 20:30:40 :P Dec 23 20:42:40 ok all, have a nice time and see you next year :) Dec 23 20:42:47 and for whom it matters... happy xmas Dec 23 20:45:10 mrmoku|away, happy xmas :P Have fun in italy. Dec 23 20:54:48 * reinouts wonders why the screen is locked but never dimmed on the latest shr even though auto-dim and auto-suspend is enabled Dec 23 20:55:26 did you remove and kill shr-today? Dec 23 20:56:00 Wonka: I guess not, what does that do? Dec 23 20:56:22 reinouts: see http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/12/shr-testing-updated.html Dec 23 20:57:50 Wonka: tnx for the link, but apparently I'm not on the latest release but on that of dec. 11 Dec 23 20:58:25 mhkay... no idea then Dec 23 20:58:43 that's like near two weeks ago :) Dec 23 20:59:15 Wonka: heh :) I didn't even know you could live upgrade now, I thought it was necessary to re-flash Dec 23 20:59:39 (I just undusted my freerunner last week) Dec 23 21:00:55 someone should invent a feature to find out the changes made to the running system... Dec 23 21:01:20 sometimes I'd like to just reinstall, but keep my config changes and data Dec 23 21:08:43 for the navit config: should i switch back to gpsd or add the gypsy depency again? Dec 23 21:28:44 SHR guys you really should update python-elementary :) Dec 23 21:39:57 is it possible to preload a python module for use by the entire system? Dec 23 21:40:23 e.g. preloading (python-)elementary at boot and maintaining it in memory Dec 23 21:40:35 and other library too, EFL related Dec 23 21:40:41 because they are heavily used in SHR Dec 23 21:51:14 hi @ all. Dec 23 21:52:49 <[Rui]> here's to hoping shr-unstable builds Dec 23 21:53:34 yep Dec 23 21:56:37 <[Rui]> it didn't build, last night, due to some "music player" from FSO :) Dec 23 21:58:36 for compiling a hello world with bitbake, all you need is SRC_URI = "http://yourdomain.org/yourapp-${PV}.tar.gz" DEPENDS = "your depencies as bitbake recipe names seperated by whitespaces" inherit autotools , isn't it ? Dec 23 21:59:47 ok DEPENDS = "". Like no dependencies at all. Dec 23 21:59:50 <[Rui]> seems to be the same... Dec 23 22:00:12 <[Rui]> should I make update or is it useless? Dec 23 22:19:44 hey, shouldn't frameworkd send the respond when bluez is already up and running after request bluetooth resource? Dec 23 22:19:50 I'm having problems with this Dec 23 22:20:50 since I get the callback of the request, but when I try to get path to default adapter using bluez, it hasn't been loaded before the call Dec 24 02:26:38 i had been gathering cells in offline for a week. thousands of miles of travel. got home today, and there was no data to submit. :( Dec 24 02:26:51 just today i traveled 500 miles. Dec 24 02:28:01 * gonzoism is very sad about that.... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 24 02:59:57 2009