**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 19 02:59:57 2010 Jan 19 06:25:43 mrmoku|away: even 45318 doesn't compile here.. but maybe it's because bitbake (master) Jan 19 06:40:54 sabrod, I went to orange, and asked them for another sim :P I'm paying 2$ a month for this, and that's it. Jan 19 06:41:13 sabrod, I bet they think I use it for car mounted sim using phone Jan 19 06:41:21 but I don't. :P Jan 19 06:42:46 anyhow, ciao. Jan 19 06:49:37 JaMa|Off: why does python look in /usr/lib64 on your buildhost? Jan 19 08:05:46 moin Jan 19 08:14:26 morgen Jan 19 08:16:29 yup, another morgen... time passes fast :P Jan 19 08:22:45 hehe,, moin Jan 19 08:23:17 mrmoku: no idea why.. I tried to build cython also on my buildhost and the error changed (cpython was found but unusable of course)... Jan 19 09:24:12 playya_: the guy is talking about controlling a dumb cellphone from freerunner, not the other way. Jan 19 09:53:35 any one able to compile the kernel without CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE ? Jan 19 09:53:44 I am getting ERROR: "__aeabi_uldivmod" [sound/soc/codecs/snd-soc-wm8753.ko] undefined! Jan 19 09:53:52 during the modpost stage. Jan 19 09:54:20 uldivmod? hm Jan 19 09:54:49 BillK: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.31/0001-wm8753-fix-build-with-gcc-4.4.2-which-works-ok-with-.patch Jan 19 09:55:17 BillK: but better fix is welcome Jan 19 09:55:51 why do you need to optimize for size btw? Jan 19 09:56:10 This error sounds very familiar... Jan 19 09:56:27 PaulFert`: we discused it few months ago :) Jan 19 09:56:31 JaMa|Off: yeah :D Jan 19 09:56:55 PaulFert`: IIRC it's fixed in gcc svn version.. Jan 19 09:57:01 JaMa|Off: the FR has this set by default and I was going to try without (speedup?) Jan 19 09:57:21 FR had terrible defaults Jan 19 09:57:30 in kernel config Jan 19 09:57:40 PaulFert`: because I promissed to file gcc bug if it doesn't work in gcc svn version and IIRC I didn't :) Jan 19 09:58:19 gena2x: yes, was trying some things that work well on my gentoo systems, but looks like I'll wait. Jan 19 09:59:20 BillK: it's don't really clear that is better -Os or -O2. somehow i think that -Os is useful only for systems with small amount of memory. Jan 19 09:59:49 BillK: it's set for .31 and .32 only Jan 19 10:01:03 BillK: I mean that patch for wm8753 Jan 19 10:05:45 radekp: wifi is fixed. Jan 19 10:06:04 Morning guys! Jan 19 10:06:13 lars_: what? how? Jan 19 10:06:34 lars_: which kernel you speaking about? Jan 19 10:06:37 lindi-: not your wifi problems Jan 19 10:06:43 lars_: ahh thanks Jan 19 10:06:44 lars_: more wifi problems? :( Jan 19 10:06:58 JaMa|Off: can you plz tell me what's the difference between libpng and libpng12? Jan 19 10:07:04 lindi-: there was a regression in the upstream s3c mmc driver. Jan 19 10:07:08 for 2.6.32 Jan 19 10:07:31 lars_: what's the best place to send suggestions about om-gta02-2.6.32 branch? still openmoko-kernel? Jan 19 10:07:41 lindi-: yes Jan 19 10:07:41 it should have similar problems to 2.6.32, as you have debuggin turner off too Jan 19 10:07:45 and CC me Jan 19 10:08:22 2.6.32 looks very promising now Jan 19 10:08:36 sure. Jan 19 10:08:44 i havent found any bug and it also fixed some problems Jan 19 10:09:01 everything is working? Jan 19 10:09:20 well in QtMoko Jan 19 10:09:29 and suspend too? Jan 19 10:09:39 yes Jan 19 10:09:46 Q-Master: no time today (or this week) check git repo.. Jan 19 10:10:03 nice. consider me switched Jan 19 10:10:07 JaMa|Off: their -dev packages overlap. Jan 19 10:10:16 lars_: ok, what configuration file are you using with om-gta02-2.6.32? there is no arch/arm/configs/*gta* Jan 19 10:11:33 if you are using SD card and have it mounted you need MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME to be set Jan 19 10:11:58 to have suspend/resume working Jan 19 10:12:19 this will remount all filesystems? Jan 19 10:12:33 on sd? Jan 19 10:13:01 that about you your / is on sd, is it working? Jan 19 10:16:00 I'm the alien, i'm the little alien... Jan 19 10:23:23 raster: ping Jan 19 10:23:44 gena2x: found -os is good for quick loading - small binaries - but -02 is faster once loaded - overall gain depends on a lot of variables. Jan 19 10:32:24 BillK: running speed is more important of course. Jan 19 10:38:41 lindi-: you can use config from 2.6.31 Jan 19 10:39:44 gena2x: it means that you should not remove SD card in suspend (you can read about it in while doing menuconfig and pressing '?') Jan 19 10:40:01 gena2x: not sure why, without it there is problem with suspend Jan 19 10:40:38 radekp: is it working booting from uSD itself? Jan 19 10:40:39 radekp:ah, wait. as we have this option set in .29 i thought it is needed to disable it for .32 Jan 19 10:41:29 radekp: if it is enabled it is perfectly good! Jan 19 10:41:42 gena2x: yes Jan 19 10:41:53 Q-Master: tried only NAND yet Jan 19 10:42:37 radekp: can you try uSD boot? I'm not using NAND almost at all Jan 19 10:42:56 * JaMa|Off is using only uSD with 2.6.32 Jan 19 10:46:33 guys, tell me honest, what package contains qmake? Jan 19 10:47:35 Q-Master: i can, but later, i am now back on 2.6.29 :) Jan 19 10:48:20 radekp: why, if everything is working? Jan 19 11:07:00 what is important to backup, when you want to flash your neo again? /home and the database in /etc/freesmartphone/opim ? Something elseo? Jan 19 11:14:11 Hakisho, some files in /etc too Jan 19 11:14:28 and save all the /etc/freesmartphone folder Jan 19 11:14:59 any wiki page about this ? Jan 19 11:15:18 can these also be on an SD? then it is easier to flash Jan 19 11:15:29 why flash in the first place? can't you upgrade? Jan 19 11:15:52 I want to try a new kernel...just wanna be sure Jan 19 11:16:54 sure that you'll overwrite your changes? ;) Jan 19 11:17:35 JaMa|Off / gena2x: applied the wm8753 patch manually (via vi :) and shr-t 2.6.29 compiles fine without CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE Jan 19 11:17:45 boots and runs fine so far. Jan 19 11:19:26 BillK: nice! last time i tried 2.6.29 it compiled fine, but i failed to run it. kernel boot up but some troubles were after init started. Jan 19 11:19:51 BillK: this without debug and prempt, with debug and preempt is were fine. Jan 19 11:21:43 GSM and wifi are working the same (have added mdelay(100) per patch on list, but I dont think I had tose probs anyway Jan 19 11:23:51 BillK: it were failing startup with 10% percent probability Jan 19 11:24:17 gena2x: startup what? - hung on boot? Jan 19 11:25:25 BillK: before patch, it were failing to initalize ar6000 device 10% of time. Jan 19 11:25:42 BillK: no hung, just no wifi device Jan 19 11:26:10 BillK: patch fixed that particular problem. Jan 19 11:26:44 gena2x: ok, my wifi always seems to work - though may take 2 tries sometimes, esp if I am further away from AP Jan 19 11:27:25 BillK: 2 tries means it does not work :) Jan 19 11:27:58 lindi-: and how do you interpret ' esp if I am further away from AP'? ;) Jan 19 11:28:24 gena2x: lack of "om wifi maxperf eth0 1" Jan 19 11:28:26 doesnt have the error mentioned on the list - just fails to pick up the signal when far away. Jan 19 11:29:39 : @lindi: whats "om" - isnt on std shr-t ? Jan 19 11:29:56 BillK: not in shr sorry Jan 19 11:30:25 k, use wmiconfig instead Jan 19 11:30:37 BillK: wmiconfig licensing is complicated :) Jan 19 11:31:02 :) Jan 19 11:36:53 mrmoku|away: that issue with python-cython is because of PYTHONPATH.. maybe latest bitbake didn't unset that variable or something.. Jan 19 11:55:17 mrmoku|away: seems like distutils.bbclass should set it also for do_compile and do_install and newer bitbake is more strict for that.. Jan 19 12:07:18 Heinervdm: ??? Jan 19 12:07:44 raster: about the problem that when you click on a button the illume keyboard pops up Jan 19 12:08:17 raster: daniele_athome identifieyd this changeset as the cause: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/45034 Jan 19 12:10:16 Heinervdm: buttons being able to fucs allows kbd control of them. it stays Jan 19 12:10:25 mrmoku|away: 45322 is in my feeds.. Jan 19 12:10:49 tho i should remove the kbd win mode stuff Jan 19 12:11:50 ok, i don't really understand what that code does, and just wanted to tell you that there is a problem Jan 19 12:12:28 raster, why a button that can have focus should activate kbd? Jan 19 12:13:32 JaMa|Off: you should now build 45324 ;) Jan 19 12:14:29 daniele_athome: as i said Jan 19 12:14:34 should remove win mode stuff Jan 19 12:14:49 ok... Jan 19 12:15:15 Heinervdm: it didn't exist when I started image build :) Jan 19 12:15:36 JaMa|Off: that rev is 1 Minute old ;) Jan 19 12:16:54 Heinervdm: seen that.. and starting new build :) Jan 19 12:17:12 raster: another thing, do you know sth about the 10 instead of 3 buttons at the bottom of illume desktop? Jan 19 12:18:18 Heinervdm: ? Jan 19 12:18:30 which are of no function Jan 19 12:18:48 raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/20a87ae685bdf2e56c3ee689838efdc9.png Jan 19 12:18:57 Heinervdm: their are not shown in illume2 :) Jan 19 12:19:16 JaMa|Off: perhaps he has an idea ;) Jan 19 12:19:40 my enlightenment SEGV'd.. Jan 19 12:19:55 Hakisho: python-elementary? Jan 19 12:20:47 its on the screen Jan 19 12:21:11 With a screen that says Recover and Exit Jan 19 12:21:24 how can i find out, if it is python-elementary? Jan 19 12:22:02 Hakisho: seen that few times too.. but ie shr-settings (based on python-elementary) is segfaulting here every time Jan 19 12:22:09 it also happend, if I opkg install something Jan 19 12:23:12 and SIM auth pops up only sporadicly. Jan 19 12:29:21 Heinervdm: no idea where those buttons at the bottom come from Jan 19 12:29:26 i neever put them in originally Jan 19 12:29:30 JaMa|Off: yeah, sounds sensible (PYTHONPATH) Jan 19 12:29:37 probably something to do with flaunch Jan 19 12:29:46 but i havent looked at that code in years Jan 19 12:29:48 raster: yes, flaunch IIRC Jan 19 12:30:18 (sorry in a grumpy mood - been @ office 12hrs, and havent had dinner yet. hungry) Jan 19 12:30:29 raster: go and get some food then :-) Jan 19 12:30:47 raster: thx Jan 19 12:31:22 mrmoku, Heinervdm: weren't those buttons somehow related to gry theme? Jan 19 12:31:45 it somehow gets enabled via theme yes Jan 19 12:32:34 NOTE: Running task 4968 of 8454 :/ Jan 19 12:32:47 then I'll start shr build from scratch .. Jan 19 12:34:23 Can't we include ${EFL_SRCREV} in phoneui-* PV ? Jan 19 12:34:45 so we don't have to bump pr on e bump? Jan 19 12:35:18 Heinervdm: phoneui does not depend on EFL Jan 19 12:35:27 just libphone-ui-shr does Jan 19 12:35:38 then just include it there :) Jan 19 12:36:06 though... that problem is more general Jan 19 12:36:11 because it is not just libphone-ui-shr Jan 19 12:36:29 we would have to include it in all PVs of packages that somehow depend on it Jan 19 12:36:34 and that would be quite ugly Jan 19 12:36:41 hmm ok Jan 19 12:36:54 there we're some discussions to add something to bitbake to easily get a list of those packages though Jan 19 12:37:11 that would be a start to at least easily know what has to be bumped Jan 19 12:46:47 mrmoku: can you plz tell me what package contains qmake? Jan 19 12:47:30 Q-Master: not right now... have to run... later Jan 19 12:52:31 Q-Master: seems that there is qmake2-native and qmake2-sdk.. but no qmake for target.. Jan 19 12:53:21 there's no any qmake in the feeds Jan 19 12:55:57 JaMa|Off: qt4-examples MUST depend on libqtcore-dev and qt4-mkspecs, but they're not. Jan 19 12:59:59 Q-Master: that's what I'm saying.. -native and -sdk are used for building other stuff but not for target devices (through feeds) Jan 19 13:01:08 JaMa|Off: can you add it plz? I wanna build an qt4 app on my neo, coz I'm unable to set-up a building env on comp yet. Not enough free space on drives Jan 19 13:02:57 Q-Master: sorry, not today or this week (notime.. daywork.. boss left but 10days task is still here and I have only 7 days for that :/) Jan 19 13:05:26 Q-Master: you should ask maintainer of those packages.. as it's defined in qt4.inc and touches more packages then I want to touch Jan 19 13:06:03 JaMa|Off: and who is the maintainer? Jan 19 13:06:47 Q-Master: check git log Jan 19 13:07:31 JaMa|Off: I can't do so. I have not enough free space to get the repo. Jan 19 13:08:14 Q-Master: Koen Kooi and Holger Hans Peter Freyther (zecke), zecke is in #oe Jan 19 13:08:38 but not now :/ Jan 19 13:09:00 doh 8) Jan 19 13:09:49 does the latest SHR-unstable know about 2.6.3x kernels? Jan 19 13:09:58 regarding sysfs paths etc Jan 19 13:10:29 Weiss: mostly.. (ts configuration does) Jan 19 13:10:38 Weiss: fso needs 2 tweaks Jan 19 13:10:49 Weiss: and newer alsa state files Jan 19 13:11:13 Weiss: so this is still needed http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/switch-for-kernel Jan 19 13:12:07 hmm, ok Jan 19 13:13:03 what's the current "threat level" from upgrading (from an old shr-testing)? Jan 19 13:13:24 I'd like to get my teeth into 2.6.32, but don't want to have to worry about userspace for now Jan 19 13:13:43 Weiss: how old shr-testing? :) Jan 19 13:13:51 Weiss: you mean shr/import era? Jan 19 13:14:14 yep Jan 19 13:14:49 I have a bit more time to work on stuff now (and a shiny new laptop which won't melt when I run OE) Jan 19 13:15:45 hmm at least reflash is needed.. and few users are reporting issues with modem.. so if you depend on it as phone then I would say at least medium thread Jan 19 13:16:04 Weiss: but shr-t should be at least a bit better Jan 19 13:19:17 but still usable with 2.6.32? Jan 19 13:20:39 which is the last build out there? or is someone building right now? Jan 19 13:21:40 Weiss: I did one test call after big upgrade of FSO stuff (about 14 days ago).. haven't tested it after that.. but X/E17 works with 2.6.32 just fine (only suspend/resume is broken) Jan 19 13:22:15 Weiss: and there is some suspend/resume fix + MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME config option.. already built here.. but haven't tested it yet Jan 19 13:22:42 suspend/resume is a kernel problem though? Jan 19 13:22:56 mrmoku: 45324 in my feeds :) Jan 19 13:23:39 Weiss: lars_ and radekp said so.. but in shr kernel are also your patches for DRM so I don't know if WSOD is in "vanilla" too Jan 19 13:24:35 Hakisho: imho no build is running on shr buildhost.. just few unofficial local builds Jan 19 13:24:45 JaMa|Off: does it fix something? Jan 19 13:25:53 mrmoku: keyboard shown for buttons Jan 19 13:27:38 JaMa|Off: ok, will try later Jan 19 13:36:36 Ah, ok thanks Jama, @all is there a difference between .ubi and .ubifs files? Jan 19 13:41:08 Hakisho: please read shr-devel list.. about .ubi .ubifs.. Jan 19 13:41:19 Hakisho: .ubi is ubinized Jan 19 13:42:33 ok Jan 19 13:43:32 JaMa|Off: suspend/resume problems which are my fault are the things I'm trying to fix :) Jan 19 13:44:18 * Weiss ponders finding a cheaptastic backup phone to temporarily free himself of the need to have the FR usable Jan 19 13:44:58 Weiss: we'll send cookies for that fix :) Jan 19 13:45:04 or better, a backup FR :) Jan 19 13:45:05 Weiss: or you can have a more stable SHR installed on a micro-SD card? :) Jan 19 13:45:52 Rakhun: also not a bad idea.. or I could put the development version on SD Jan 19 13:46:11 not having to do *anything* to switch "stability" on/off would be best though Jan 19 13:47:18 hm, there is the boot-skip thing in Qi though Jan 19 13:47:31 I'd still have to reboot.. Jan 19 13:47:37 that would be pretty simple, except I never remember how it's done :) Jan 19 13:47:37 ah Jan 19 13:48:44 2xFR is also a solution.. I could get an A7, thereby killing my buzz problem at the same time Jan 19 13:50:06 Weiss: my solution is to keep phone stuff completely independent from X, backlight, touchscreen, gps, accelerometers, ... :) Jan 19 13:50:13 yes, that's the best solution of course, as long as price isn't a problem :) Jan 19 13:50:20 Weiss: I can answer calls even if any of those things totally break Jan 19 13:50:37 lindi-: how do you manage that? Jan 19 13:50:50 Weiss: i use AUX to answer calls Jan 19 13:50:55 Rakhun: money's not too big a problem - I'm paid well enough. although feeling a little poor after New Laptop Time Jan 19 13:50:57 * JaMa|Off has 3 phones.. so when FR is broken it's not an issue Jan 19 13:50:59 Weiss: and don't run fso frameworkd Jan 19 13:52:07 * Weiss only has FR + old Samsung C100 with mostly dead battery (and locked to O2 UK) Jan 19 13:53:07 Weiss: isn't it common to among your fellows to keep some old dumb phone gathering dust somewhere? Jan 19 13:54:04 yep, that's the C100.. Jan 19 13:54:19 it's full of mud from Leeds Festival in 2008 Jan 19 13:54:58 simlock+dead battery is unfun. Especially simlock to O2 UK in DE i assume :) Jan 19 13:55:23 yeah Jan 19 13:55:31 I have O2.de over here, O2 UK over there Jan 19 13:55:59 Probably one of your fellow co-workers has something? ;) Jan 19 13:57:08 oo, maybe Jan 19 13:57:30 PaulFert`: [08:46] * Received a CTCP VERSION GNAA invites you to cry at: ircXX...hardXchats.XcomXX #gnaa from owzhsxkh (to #maemo) Jan 19 13:58:26 joerg_42: heh, but the Nuernberg server is down, at least that's not a problem now :) Jan 19 13:58:56 hah, really? great! Jan 19 14:00:04 DocScrutinizer51: and the server mentioned in that gnaa spam doesn't seem to have any malicious content. Probably it judges by UA and i used wget, no idea. Jan 19 14:00:10 PaulFert`: aiui your robot would trigger on that one above as well, no? Jan 19 14:00:57 PaulFert`: wget has a way to define UA identifier? Jan 19 14:02:33 it does Jan 19 14:02:34 PaulFert`: also wget is hardcoded to obey robots.foo file. (I have a patched version here somewhere hat never does check for robots file) Jan 19 14:02:41 --user-agent, afaik Jan 19 14:02:50 ( or you can use curl , or GET ) Jan 19 14:03:26 DocScrutinizer51: my robot did trigger, but i have no OP in #maemo :) Jan 19 14:03:40 sure LOL Jan 19 14:12:13 PaulFert`: did it trigger for #openmoko* ? Jan 19 14:16:27 DocScrutinizer51: there were no gnaa attack on #openmoko* yet. Jan 19 14:16:45 shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi @ uImage-2.6.32.3-oe1+gitr1+5827b20d022fb47ce9c9731d0fb894d361e16ffe-r4-om-gta02 booting Jan 19 14:17:04 no ctcp version or any other attacks? Jan 19 14:23:45 DocScrutinizer51: not that i've seen any. And that on maemo i saw for sure. Jan 19 14:25:39 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/c_elementary.so: undefined symbol: elm_hoversel_item_del_cb_set Jan 19 14:25:45 It's in 45324 too Jan 19 14:27:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1aa37023636f 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_leds: honor max_brightness sysfs node, if available Jan 19 14:28:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3e7f7f381eee 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jan 19 14:28:59 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Network: add high level functions for setting connection Jan 19 14:28:59 freesmartphone.org: preferences and connecting / disconnecting Jan 19 14:32:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r614e68db5a7f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Jan 19 14:32:00 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Network: change method names; old ones did collide with Jan 19 14:32:00 freesmartphone.org: glib Jan 19 14:33:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rb0e7cec19d65 10/src/ (4 files): regen Jan 19 14:40:34 E rev 45324 is really bad... Jan 19 14:40:42 i can't see anything Jan 19 14:41:43 works fine here Jan 19 14:42:03 perhaps it's related to our theme Jan 19 14:42:25 dunno Jan 19 14:42:31 but i hope u recompiled everything Jan 19 14:42:39 been breaking abi's of lagte Jan 19 14:42:47 i did Jan 19 14:42:47 (and api's) Jan 19 14:43:01 why not stick to the default theme and the opim-apps? Jan 19 14:43:19 the illume desktop is there, but no elementary things Jan 19 14:43:19 all i can say is.. works for me Jan 19 14:43:24 works for my customers Jan 19 14:43:37 works on the devices floating around me Jan 19 14:43:41 :/ Jan 19 14:45:20 will try the default theme Jan 19 14:45:25 if it had broken.. id have already fixed it... if it didnt display for me :) Jan 19 14:45:38 :) Jan 19 14:56:28 Heinervdm: works for me too Jan 19 14:57:21 mrmoku: hmm then it's strange Jan 19 14:57:35 with illume2 though... did not try old illume yet Jan 19 14:58:23 phoneui app's calc and ffalamrs is showing nearly a white screen for me... Jan 19 14:58:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re2dde511e9f7 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/plugin.vala: fsonetworkd: implement placeholder for connection API Jan 19 15:01:00 Heinervdm: which theme? Jan 19 15:01:14 mrmoku: gry Jan 19 15:06:02 Heinervdm: I have gry for elementary... and I guess default for e-wm Jan 19 15:06:26 perhaps sth is wrong with my build Jan 19 15:17:08 moibe Jan 19 16:22:35 do we change to illume2? Jan 19 16:22:40 * spaetz drools? Jan 19 16:22:44 * spaetz drools Jan 19 16:27:33 spaetz: if it turns out to work better, yeah :) Jan 19 16:28:13 nice thing is that both are installed... and we could offer two different configs Jan 19 16:28:22 so people can try it... and then decide Jan 19 16:34:27 interesting Jan 19 16:34:38 ok gtg, see you Jan 19 17:31:19 mrmoku|away: another problem: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-oe-linux-gnueabi/4.4.2/../../../../arm-oe-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find /usr/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a Jan 19 17:51:28 sorry for the newbie question, I'm trying to compile a program using the bitbake system and I'm seeing that it is a VERY long process. Is it long only for the first time or does the program trying to update all dependencies every time? Jan 19 17:52:59 zeusone: first time.. (it needs to build whole toolchain for cross compiling) Jan 19 17:53:40 JaMa Thanks goooood :) Jan 19 17:53:46 zeusone: it's trying to update all deps every time.. but usually there is not much updates to long building toolchain etc Jan 19 17:54:34 zeusone: it can take about a day for shr-image on some average pc Jan 19 17:55:56 JaMa: oooohhh too long I'm trying to compile a program with only elementary dependency, so I hope that it will be shorter Jan 19 17:56:32 110 on 2193 :) Jan 19 17:57:27 zeusone: yeah but still expect few hours.. Jan 19 17:58:01 JaMa: ok thanks! Jan 19 17:58:22 zeusone: whole image for my phenom, 4GB ram, work dir on raid0, rest on raid5 and still it takes about 8 hours.. Jan 19 18:00:08 JaMa: maybe it will take some time on my laptop because I'm doing it in a virtual machine because I want to use it in my working place but there I cannot use git Jan 19 18:00:40 PailFert`: I had fun than yersterday i were banned from freenode because provided one line from my log of cctp attack. Jan 19 18:00:44 wow.. then expect many hours :) Jan 19 18:01:06 JaMa: do you suggest me to use shr-unstable or shr-testing or it's the same? Jan 19 18:01:31 zeusone: it depends what do you want to do with it :) Jan 19 18:01:53 zeusone: for development with spare phone I would use shr-u Jan 19 18:02:40 JaMa: I'm working on converting my dictionary reading application in C Jan 19 18:03:13 JaMa: and I'm using shr t because I need a little bit stability Jan 19 18:05:20 zeusone: shr-t is not that far from shr-u.. so if you test app like this on shr-t it will work on shr-u.. so it's ok Jan 19 18:05:43 zeusone: well on shr-u is much newer elementary though.. Jan 19 18:06:21 JaMa: good to know thanks Jan 19 18:09:07 PaulFert`: ping Jan 19 18:09:16 gena2x: pong Jan 19 18:10:12 PaulFert`: in fact, i am going to Moscow this week. you promised 1024 fix few time ago. Is this still possible? Jan 19 18:10:30 gena2x: yes Jan 19 18:10:53 gena2x: let me check if i still got the caps handy. Jan 19 18:11:02 PaulFert`: coll, that do i need to have? FR, passport ;)? Jan 19 18:11:41 gena2x: passport only if you want me to sign your GPG key. :) Jan 19 18:11:48 gena2x: when exactly are you going to be here? Jan 19 18:11:56 PaulFert`: caps, juice? Jan 19 18:13:00 PaulFert`: hehe :) Jan 19 18:13:52 PaulFert`: i can from Thursday to Saturday Jan 19 18:14:04 PaulFert`: i can choose Jan 19 18:14:37 PaulFert`: i'll be where for 1 day - just need to get tickets. Jan 19 18:15:21 btw if someone from saint-peterburg want to use me to carry FR to Moscow, i can help. Jan 19 18:15:38 and if Paul don't mind. Jan 19 19:34:14 20 days till the end of the semester. Jan 19 19:34:27 I'm about to die, SEMESTER, END! Jan 19 19:35:41 hehe Jan 19 19:36:04 After that, LIFE! :P Jan 19 19:36:09 14 days until i torture my students with examinations Jan 19 19:36:23 hehe :P Jan 19 19:45:36 spaetz: your students? Jan 19 19:46:16 yes, my 30 students. i own them. MUHAHAHA... Jan 19 19:46:37 no seriously, it´s quite fun with them Jan 19 19:52:38 spaetz: really? Can you please elaborate, i'm really interested. Jan 19 19:58:38 sorry crappy keyboard, but here is my course http://www.smi.ethz.ch/education/courses/corporatestrategy Jan 19 19:59:34 about 30 students, partly lecturing, partly interactive case study presentation/discussions Jan 19 20:04:20 spaetz: heh, i wished i could just prepare some written tests for my students. Instead i spend lots of time in interactive oral examinations... The last was 8 hours straight and as a result probably 10-15 passed. 35 more to go. And the fact is that most of them will come again and again until passed... Jan 19 20:05:27 eheheh i had only 5 to train for ACM developer contest. Jan 19 20:05:55 Most of my students are not that bright, probably i'm not a really good teacher either :( Jan 19 20:07:47 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r2e18a7a6cc0c 10/msmcommd/src/ (llc.c msmcommd.c): msmcommd: fix link layer control (now working on a real palm pre device) Jan 19 20:07:48 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * ra301c4fa9333 10/msmcommd/ (src/msmcommd.c src/talloc_ctx.c tests/frame_test.c): msmcommd: some help output and let the use choose to enable talloc report Jan 19 20:07:49 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rb857705658f4 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: msmcommd: remove --version command line option Jan 19 20:07:50 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r38410ed75b3a 10/msmcommd/ (include/msmcomm/internal.h src/msmcommd.c): msmcommd: add signal handler Jan 19 20:08:34 spaetz: i must admit when i was a student i was feeling considerably worse during the exam session, it was like a planned depression period. Jan 19 20:17:04 hello , where to download stable android install file for FR ? Jan 19 20:25:31 PaulFert`: are you a professor somewhere? Jan 19 20:26:42 budfive: officially i'm "assistant" but i basically guide folks through introductory C programming course for 2 years, including lectures and practical lessons. Jan 19 20:28:13 PaulFertser: ah, i see Jan 19 20:48:03 hey all. I wanna help out on a more practical level (coding) but I don't know any programming languages well Jan 19 20:48:17 which should I learn first so I can in the future help out? Jan 19 20:49:10 ceda, vala, and python are your major options :-) Jan 19 20:50:33 well, I'm already reading up on python Jan 19 20:50:40 I'll delve more Jan 19 20:50:42 thanks Jan 19 20:51:16 badcloud: and spaetz forgot C for the SHR apps ;) Jan 19 20:52:52 s/ceda/C/ Jan 19 20:53:01 crappy keyboard Jan 19 20:53:13 :-) Jan 19 20:53:19 c/ada/ :) Jan 19 20:53:31 hehe Jan 19 20:59:21 hehe Jan 19 21:06:51 mrmoku: c++ is next on my list Jan 19 21:06:53 :) Jan 19 21:08:23 badcloud: go python or Java. Java will give you money, python will give you fun. C++ will give you troubles ;) Jan 19 21:09:45 PaulFert`: but his scope is to help out in coding something for the FR ;) Jan 19 21:10:27 mrmoku: then it's python i guess :) And vala after mickeyl'll write a good book about it ;) Jan 19 21:11:02 PaulFert`: though python is the one to die :-) Jan 19 21:12:29 * JaMa|Off is reading scala overview and it's also quite fun :) Jan 19 21:16:17 PaulFert`: noted Jan 19 21:16:19 thanks Jan 19 21:16:20 wow Jan 19 21:16:39 so far python seems very straight forward and easy to understand Jan 19 21:17:02 I just feel like I'm not enjoying my fr Jan 19 21:17:19 it doesn't make much sense to use it unless I'm testing/coding/developing Jan 19 21:17:59 so I'll pick it up again when I feel I can truely enjoy it and contribute as well Jan 19 21:18:01 badcloud: good attitude :-) Jan 19 21:18:03 badcloud: you know, most commercial coders use C++ like it's some kind of java. The truth is that it's a really complex, interesting language with enough gotchas. Jan 19 21:18:17 end user testing seems a bit superficial Jan 19 21:18:36 cool Jan 19 21:18:47 bootet in to desktop in less than a minute Jan 19 21:18:50 * mrmoku off to bed... to not get involved in language discussions :) Jan 19 21:18:54 gnight all Jan 19 21:18:59 night Jan 19 21:19:02 gn8 Jan 19 21:19:59 mrmoku|away: gnight Jan 19 21:20:00 after reading a bit about c++, it seems more accessable then I thought before (when someone says c++, the general reaction is "wowww"), and *very* literal Jan 19 21:20:27 badcloud: if you do not use the advanced features of C++ it's no fun i'd say. Jan 19 21:21:13 advanced like, low level? Jan 19 21:21:16 or? Jan 19 21:23:23 badcloud: advanced like having some complex, hard-to-learn ways of doing thing. Jan 19 21:23:51 got it Jan 19 21:25:02 Inner workings of Boost library is probably a good example. Jan 19 21:25:34 uImage-2.6.31-oe1+gitr157549+dd32737aa524e09c1d141a0e735dd58674552244-r6-om-gta02 with shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi is really fast at startup Jan 19 21:25:45 badcloud: and to me using C++ in some simple way is a violation of "the way", it's uncool :) That's why i advocate Java unless you really want to became a C++ master. Jan 19 21:27:53 but isn't the best way to solving a problem usually the easiest, most straight forward way? Jan 19 21:27:54 but java is quite useless on neo.. jamvm is not quite there yet :/ Jan 19 21:28:07