**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 20 02:59:57 2010 Jan 20 07:30:36 moin Jan 20 07:47:56 morning guys! Jan 20 07:48:01 morning Jan 20 07:49:04 Does anyone know if those 10 useless buttons in illume will be fixed? Jan 20 07:53:08 Q-Master: they will be fixed.. we'll probably switch to illume2 where are no buttons Jan 20 07:53:42 JaMa|Off: ah. ok. thnx Jan 20 07:54:10 JaMa|Off: illume2 right now has no good home screen/launcher Jan 20 07:54:16 the modules that are theer are totally half-arsed demos Jan 20 07:54:20 not really useful ones Jan 20 07:54:34 but there is the 3rd party "launcher" which makes for a good home screen. Jan 20 07:54:42 can illume2 use a different homescreen? Jan 20 07:54:46 yes Jan 20 07:54:54 that is good Jan 20 07:54:54 its built to allow 3rd party launcheer, softkey, indicator etc. Jan 20 07:55:05 u will need to provide one of your own Jan 20 07:55:09 nice Jan 20 07:55:12 that's good Jan 20 07:55:17 or live with the totally arsetastic one included Jan 20 07:55:22 hehe Jan 20 07:55:34 launcher seems pretty good, but slow starting. 8) Jan 20 07:55:39 my next project will be called arsetastic, I like that Jan 20 07:55:55 raster: illume2 seems as usable as illume1 on my neo.. Jan 20 07:56:26 raster: sure it could be better, but ie split feature is great Jan 20 07:57:00 JaMa|Off: so let's switch :) Jan 20 07:57:52 spaetz: yesterday I went to bed before testing new pixman/libx11/xorg-xserver properly :/ so didn't test E much.. Jan 20 07:58:19 spaetz: also I did rebuild from scratch for both (SHR, Angstrom) so it was building whole yesterday :) Jan 20 07:58:29 ahh, that's useful too :() Jan 20 07:58:30 and additional packages are building today.. Jan 20 07:58:32 :-) Jan 20 07:58:51 I wanted to test newest xorg-macros with all xorg packages :) Jan 20 07:59:23 and I'm also using bitbake master (which is supposed to become next required bitbake for OE) Jan 20 08:02:12 JaMa|Off: well i'm far from happy with it, but no time to really polish those bits - have other priorities attm Jan 20 08:03:11 also, it would make sense to reverse the a/A x/X keybindings. archiving and marking read is much more common than just archiving, so having the common operation without shift key would be nice. Jan 20 08:03:17 oops, wrong win Jan 20 08:07:44 indeedily Jan 20 08:44:58 morning... Jan 20 08:45:33 morning Jan 20 09:12:15 * daniele_athome wants to get free of opimd :) Jan 20 09:53:45 daniele_athome: why? Jan 20 09:55:52 Heinervdm, because it's slow :) Jan 20 09:56:02 Heinervdm, actually I'm writing my mokosuite in an android-way Jan 20 09:56:14 that is: storage is managed by the application, and backend operations too Jan 20 09:56:14 daniele_athome: then create fsopimd :P Jan 20 09:56:35 and storage is reachable through dbus calls to those applications Jan 20 09:57:39 but then these applications have to run all the time Jan 20 09:58:00 don't you think it's better to have a deamon in the background for those things? Jan 20 09:58:36 Heinervdm, actually those apps should be always running Jan 20 09:58:45 I mean, FR is a phone afterall :) Jan 20 09:58:51 anyway, just my idea :) Jan 20 09:58:56 ok Jan 20 09:58:58 :) Jan 20 10:26:28 hi, apm -s is used to suspend my freerunner phone, do we have any other way to do the same ? Jan 20 10:27:03 dbus call to fsodeviced? Jan 20 10:29:17 spaetz, lol... Jan 20 10:30:19 spaetz : dbus calls will take much time than apm, is it ? Jan 20 10:30:34 I was serious. fso* might need to do things before suspending, so it should abviously go through fso unless it hooks into the regular suspend process. Jan 20 10:30:56 satish: no, as apm is a fso-apm which will make the dbus calls in the background... :) Jan 20 10:31:19 spaetz, actually fso-apm -s calls fsodevice, doesn't it? Jan 20 10:31:33 yes Jan 20 10:31:43 but a "echo mem > /sys/power/state" might work well, just try it. Jan 20 10:32:02 apm -s is provided by fso-apm on the FR Jan 20 10:32:17 spaetz, will it be faster ? Jan 20 10:32:39 you save a couple of seconds, but you risk resources not properly being prepared for suspend Jan 20 10:32:44 that doesn't cut it IMO Jan 20 10:32:50 milliseconds, probably only Jan 20 10:32:54 bbiab, train comes Jan 20 10:35:07 spaetz, which dbus device call has suspend method ? Jan 20 10:35:37 on freerunner, apm -s took almost 4 seconds to complete . Jan 20 10:36:13 i'm looking for the other option like apm -S (standby) instead of -s(suspend) .... Jan 20 10:36:50 on freerunner apm -S (standby) is not available looks like Jan 20 10:37:11 it's giving unknown option Jan 20 10:38:29 spaetz , daniele_athome, mickey|munich : any clue how to get it work apm -S (standby) Jan 20 10:38:44 as I said, apm is a thin wrapper around fsodeviced. It only implements apm -s Jan 20 10:39:27 satish, really don't know if standby has any sense in a embedded device Jan 20 10:39:30 spaetz in mdbus -s which is device implements these power modes Jan 20 10:39:33 I guess it depends on the HW Jan 20 10:40:06 spaetz : In mdbus -s which is device implements these power modes Jan 20 10:40:26 root@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s :1.0 :1.1 :1.10 :1.11 :1.12 :1.13 :1.14 :1.15 :1.16 :1.17 :1.18 :1.2 :1.3 :1.4 :1.48 :1.5 :1.6 :1.7 :1.8 :1.9 fi.epitest.hostap.WPASupplicant org.freedesktop.DBus org.freedesktop.Gypsy org.freesmartphone.frameworkd org.freesmartphone.odeviced org.freesmartphone.oeventsd org.freesmartphone.ogpsd org.freesmartphone.ogsmd org.freesmartphone.omuxerd org.freesmartphone.opimd org.freesmartphone.oprefe Jan 20 10:41:52 which of the above has power modes implemented Jan 20 10:43:13 docs.freesmartphone.org it's in fsodeviced IMO Jan 20 10:44:29 ok Jan 20 10:46:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re9fd1aba371a 10/libfsobasics/tests/testnetlinknotifier.vala: libfsobasics: fix netlink notifier unit test Jan 20 10:48:54 mmh, sounds tasty. It's time for another patch-applying burst, cworth :) Jan 20 10:49:00 arrgh, wrong iwn again! Jan 20 10:49:30 spaetz: what's with cworth? :) Jan 20 10:49:49 wrong channel. I'm discussing the notmuch email client Jan 20 10:50:23 ah ok, good that no new issues with u-a-cworth in SHR :) Jan 20 10:51:44 hehe Jan 20 10:59:47 argh... next time i book the silent wagon Jan 20 11:00:00 people screaming in their headsets Jan 20 11:00:03 *sigh* Jan 20 11:00:38 how was the stammtisch? Jan 20 11:00:47 great! 10 people there Jan 20 11:01:04 seen some hardware projects in progress Jan 20 11:01:13 ah nice Jan 20 11:01:14 mickey|ICE628: need own headset with ambient sound suppression Jan 20 11:01:22 and took a look at the Touch Pro and the Palm Pre Jan 20 11:01:23 oh, and i showed the WikiReader :) Jan 20 11:01:27 DocScrutinizer: heh, yeah Jan 20 11:02:03 don't you have a palm pre on your own? Jan 20 11:02:15 yes, that was mine we looked at Jan 20 11:02:21 ah :) Jan 20 11:02:47 i managed to excite almost everyone with the WebOS UI Jan 20 11:03:15 yes that's really nice, but this mojo annoys me... Jan 20 11:03:32 mojo framework Jan 20 11:04:07 yeah, for sure Jan 20 11:04:16 if we could somehow manage to implant FSO below WebOS... Jan 20 11:04:34 and then just reuse the basic apps and launcher and work on the stuff -we- like Jan 20 11:04:38 mmh *dreaming* Jan 20 11:04:46 :) Jan 20 11:05:00 the ui is really nice Jan 20 11:05:06 yep Jan 20 11:05:11 actually it should not be too hard Jan 20 11:05:42 but we can talk about those pipe dreams when we are able to talk to the hardware fully Jan 20 11:05:47 *shrug* Jan 20 11:05:51 before it's all moot ;) Jan 20 11:06:04 :) Jan 20 11:09:08 mrmoku|away: you said that E rev 45324 is working for you, so do we build an new image with that rev? Jan 20 11:20:42 spaetz : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Devic e/PowerControl/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.GetPower Jan 20 11:20:58 spaetz : it took 4 secs Jan 20 11:26:27 mdbus is written in python Jan 20 11:26:41 mdbus2 would take milliseconds for that Jan 20 11:26:51 alas, method calling is not implemented in that version; just introspection Jan 20 11:27:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r802eacd83b52 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala: fsousaged: dbus_service: convert some messages to @ notation Jan 20 11:29:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r72753e52f416 10/docs/TODO: TODO++ Jan 20 11:30:04 hmm Jan 20 11:30:26 * mickey|ICE628 ponders whether to submit a presentation for LinuxTag Jan 20 11:30:26 "Truths and Lies" -- The myth of the open source mobile phone Jan 20 11:30:42 mickey|ICE628: mmm... Jan 20 11:30:54 what would this be about more precisly ? Jan 20 11:31:15 scrutinizing the architectures of android, maemo, webos, and fso Jan 20 11:31:24 clearing up what's actually open and wha tnot Jan 20 11:31:50 would be good to have some publicity, i think Jan 20 11:32:18 yeah Jan 20 11:40:03 Hi, root@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus2 -sh: mdbus2: not found Jan 20 11:40:31 mickey|ICE628 : i don't fine mdbus2 Jan 20 11:41:37 probably no one packaging it Jan 20 11:41:42 it's in cornucopia/tools Jan 20 11:42:47 how to install it ? Jan 20 11:43:18 if it was packaged, opkg install mdbus2 Jan 20 11:46:06 no Jan 20 11:46:23 root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list | grep mdbus root@om-gta02 ~ $ Jan 20 11:46:41 even i don't see opkg for mdbus ...but i have mdbus Jan 20 11:46:54 that's probably a part of python-helpers Jan 20 11:47:01 root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list | grep dbus dbus - 1.3.0-r0.4 dbus-hlid - 1:1.0.1+gitr0+5df7f49fe8881804aaab544a569fd164c3e93afb-r0.4 dbus-x11 - 1.3.0-r0.4 edbus - 2:0.5.0.060+svnr44424-r1.4 libdbus-1-3 - 1.3.0-r0.4 libdbus-glib-1-2 - 0.82-r0.0.4 mickeydbus - 1:0.9.2+gitr0+63b1dff1bc8ac22efabcee8a90e957c3b2423317-r2.4 python-dbus - 0.83.0-ml2.4 python-edbus - 0.3.1+svnr44424-ml0.4 Jan 20 11:47:07 ah, no Jan 20 11:47:13 mickeydbus is it Jan 20 11:47:26 ok Jan 20 11:47:55 i'll add a .bb for mdbus2 when i have a chance Jan 20 11:48:00 it'll be packaged then eventually Jan 20 11:48:08 ok...fine Jan 20 11:53:11 mickeyl, the other sday someone said here you were going to write a book about vala... how is it going? I'm interested in it :) Jan 20 11:54:01 progress is relatively little, still i want to finish it this year Jan 20 11:57:02 is there a vm-image of a buildingsystem for packages/shr-image? Jan 20 11:59:42 Hakisho: i don't think a vm is suited for such a job... Jan 20 12:05:22 satish: please try http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/mickeydbus2_2.0.0+gitr1+70b87d6e8b04f0bf0078702f6467e037eb4fdb28-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Jan 20 12:10:48 mickey|ICE628: what's mdbus2? which diffs the "2" stands for? Jan 20 12:11:46 written in vala instead of python, i guess ? Jan 20 12:11:59 mickey|ICE628: btw on your list of OS for "free mobile" you should not miss mer next to maemo Jan 20 12:12:28 misc: yep Jan 20 12:12:30 vala instead Jan 20 12:53:37 Heinervdm, mrmoku|away: before bumping EFL rev in oe.dev someone has to fix entrance :/ Jan 20 12:53:55 entrance? Jan 20 12:53:59 Heinervdm, mrmoku|away: there is much newer version.. but seems missing one .sed file.. Jan 20 12:54:22 Heinervdm: it's not used in SHR, but will fail in oe.dev (task-e17) Jan 20 12:58:39 Heinervdm: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/44891 po/Makefile.in.in is referring to remove-potcdate.sed, which should be probably created from remove-potcdate.sin, but no idea why it doesn't work here.. Jan 20 12:59:09 Heinervdm: and other OE patches needs small update to.. (I can provide patch) Jan 20 13:00:40 hmm, ok Jan 20 13:04:04 Heinervdm: ahh seeme like just autopoint is missing again Jan 20 13:08:13 hmm failed a bit later in do_install :/ Jan 20 13:08:22 * JaMa|Off -> back to work Jan 20 13:18:54 Heinervdm: you may be interested in xinput_calibrator (already in shr/unstable branch) Jan 20 13:19:10 Heinervdm: but probably you already read about it.. Jan 20 13:19:41 JaMa|Off: i read about it, but haven't looked closer Jan 20 13:42:34 weiss: after few Xorg restarts I got this today (2.6.32.3 kernel), http://pastebin.ca/1758887 full log http://pastebin.ca/1758888, if you have any ideah.. Jan 20 13:44:26 JaMa|Off: almost certainly because VRAM isn't getting reclaimed properly (for some reason), so it runs out Jan 20 13:47:22 Weiss: can I "flush" whole VRAM somehow? Jan 20 13:47:47 Weiss: I mean If I've killed Xorg -9 few times.. and it wasn't freed properly? Jan 20 13:48:52 there's no way just now :( Jan 20 13:49:05 for some reason, it doesn't happen with 2.6.29 - I don't know why Jan 20 13:49:32 ok, thanks.. maybe my quick-fix-to-compile patches for DRM in .32 .. Jan 20 13:50:06 it also happens with .31... Jan 20 13:50:13 so it's not your fault.. Jan 20 13:51:36 well I see it much more often with .32 (and probably first time Xorg refuses to start at all) Jan 20 13:51:54 * Weiss wants a second FR so he can fix things more often Jan 20 13:52:05 or rather, allow things to be more broken at any given moment without causing other problems Jan 20 13:53:43 someone on ML asked where to send donations.. maybe we should organize donation for 2nd neo for you Jan 20 13:55:00 the money would be better spent elsewhere.. cost is not the issue.. Jan 20 13:56:08 the problem is mostly that Pulster doesn't get a new shipment until the end of the month, although I suppose that's not long Jan 20 13:57:31 Weiss: well I still see you, larsc, mickeyl as 3 most important people for neo future, mostly because only few people is working in area you 3 do.. Jan 20 13:58:13 Weiss: and If you refuse to continue working on DRM stuff it would be really hard for someone else to catch-up :) Jan 20 13:59:16 hehe Jan 20 13:59:29 ie nobody reponded to that mplayer@DRM challenge :/ Jan 20 13:59:40 but DRM isn't "mission-critical", just useful to have (more important if we want to use acceleration of course) Jan 20 14:00:47 yes but everybody is complaining about mplayer performance on neo, Balrog's patches for -vo glamo are rotting in git repo (i'm just updating it for latest mplayer stuff).. Jan 20 14:01:35 and I think (and you confirmed) that it would be interesting not so hardcore project for someone interested.. Jan 20 14:02:21 yep.. the command sequence is already there, you just need to translate it into DRM-isms, and the kernel/libdrm will take care of all the scariness for you Jan 20 14:04:09 I would like to do it as vdpau plugin as it would be usefull for more projects than mplayer and easier to use through that API then to update that patch with every mplayer upgrade Jan 20 14:04:43 but there are still more important issues.. so I never went further into it than downloading vdpau docs :/ Jan 20 14:05:21 but playing with OE recipes is getting a bit boring.. so maybe.. :) Jan 20 14:10:34 hehe Jan 20 14:10:59 your sorting out of the BB recipes for Xorg/DRM has been a huge weight lifted off for me Jan 20 14:14:08 :) now with new xorg in OE.dev it's easier for me to use it also on my PDA (sharp spitz) :) and it gets support from all OE devs, which is really nice Jan 20 14:18:22 hmm.. does anywhere sell A7+#1024 fix? Jan 20 14:28:22 Weiss: that'd be ice Jan 20 14:28:59 what would? Jan 20 14:29:25 A7+#1024 fix Jan 20 14:30:37 hehe Jan 20 14:31:01 I have A6 at the moment.. buying A7 means I don't have to send the A6 in for buzz fix (which affects me a lot at the moment :( Jan 20 14:32:05 I believe I am pretty badly affected too. But I could never bother to send in the FR for a repair either... Jan 20 14:32:24 yeah Jan 20 14:32:46 I wasn't affected in the UK, but I am here (Hamburg) Jan 20 14:33:21 then I can run A7+SHR-testing for actual use and A6+highly broken SHR-unstable for development Jan 20 14:41:46 Weiss: sorry to say I don't think anybody offers #1024 fixed FR for sale, neither A7 nor any other rev Jan 20 14:42:44 that's OK... #1024 doesn't bother me, but if it were available, I'd go for the one with the most bugs fixed :) Jan 20 14:44:57 Weiss: i thought it's trivial to find somebody in Hamburg to do the fix... Jan 20 14:45:20 well, if you go to fosdem, i know one guy that will do a fix Jan 20 14:45:57 time off work doesn't allow me to do FOSDEM this year :( Jan 20 14:46:24 actually it'd still be cheaper to order A7 instead of a second A6 then getting one of the fixes Jan 20 14:48:43 Weiss, you could ask at tuxbrain about the FR ;) Jan 20 14:49:48 * Weiss ponders adding a Wikireader to his order, to play with Jan 20 14:49:55 (and maybe implement KMS for :) Jan 20 14:50:03 lol Jan 20 14:50:26 first get a kernel, then maybe add KMS Jan 20 14:50:39 hehe Jan 20 14:54:43 though I got it there's exactly 0.5 useable video modes on wikireader Jan 20 14:54:58 no use in switching Jan 20 14:55:22 yeah, I was being silly :) Jan 20 14:56:30 you wouldn't believe how many users are *not* aware of the limited power WR has Jan 20 15:03:58 like "it's OM so it has to be linux" Jan 20 15:05:33 yeah Jan 20 15:05:50 hmm.. I should also see if I can get my hands on a nanonote Jan 20 15:06:09 are there any yet? Jan 20 15:06:46 still only prototypes I think Jan 20 15:07:01 yup Jan 20 15:07:21 if at all Jan 20 15:07:46 fighting qc afaik Jan 20 15:07:58 I've seen a few photos, though..? Jan 20 15:08:00 i guess you all want correct workin devices ;) Jan 20 15:08:09 * roh has a prototype here. Jan 20 15:08:13 old nand tho Jan 20 15:08:26 I still fail to see any uniqueness in nanonote Jan 20 15:08:51 DocScrutinizer51: think 'vt100 of 2010' Jan 20 15:09:06 it got a serial and i want a avr-gcc and avrdude on it. Jan 20 15:09:13 the latter is already in openwrt Jan 20 15:09:32 and make.. thats enought to build arduino code coming as .pde Jan 20 15:09:43 other than Neo it's just a me-too netbook kind of gadget Jan 20 15:09:45 and develp. only needs a texteditor. Jan 20 15:10:20 DocScrutinizer51: means you can make a <150E kit including a breadboard and some components for somebody to start developing with small electronics and microcontrollers Jan 20 15:11:05 says: one can have 10 or more kits per classroom compared to much less when a full setup with a pc is needed. also needs much less tablespace. Jan 20 15:11:43 yeah. netbook Jan 20 15:11:51 i've seen kids with 14 years make leds blink in 20 minutes and be happy and have fun on learning C with arduinos. its a great way to teach electronics Jan 20 15:12:32 DocScrutinizer51: its the programmable calculator for the kids of now i think. something like ti81 with mbytes of ram, flash and a microsd reader for wifi or sdhc Jan 20 15:12:45 with 300+mhz Jan 20 15:13:00 yeah. netbook Jan 20 15:13:10 still :-) Jan 20 15:13:11 no. much cheaper and different usecase Jan 20 15:13:23 netbook is actually a connected device. this is not. Jan 20 15:13:56 much cheaper?? Jan 20 15:13:59 maybe (or surely) later models. but the ben is very much a 'weird and unexpected usecases' thing i guess. Jan 20 15:14:01 o.O Jan 20 15:14:06 DocScrutinizer51: netbooks are 300E class Jan 20 15:14:14 lol Jan 20 15:14:20 ben is 100E class Jan 20 15:14:25 my laptop ws 389 Jan 20 15:15:21 i mean... imagine giving a full class of students 'a device to study python on' for 3000E ? Jan 20 15:16:01 and the power usage is that different that we can think of rural usage with e.g solar chargers Jan 20 15:16:53 * roh wants to see ax25 tnc connected nanonotes somewhere in the jungle with a shortwave transciever and a solar panel Jan 20 15:18:05 does that sound too crazy? Jan 20 15:18:35 hehe Jan 20 15:18:52 * DocScrutinizer51 tries to recall if the all in one package from huawei (SIM with PAYG dataplan, UMTS USBstick, plus >EeePC701 or the like with linux<) was more like 100 o like 150EUR Jan 20 15:25:59 was a quite bad deal anyway as the sim was used for some 3 weeks and now for sure the credit is void Jan 20 15:27:03 my experience of PAYG data plans has not been a good one... Jan 20 15:27:14 * Weiss wonders whether the 3G unit in his new laptop is locked to Vodafone Jan 20 15:27:50 eeek simlock Jan 20 15:28:15 maybe because voda subsidized it? Jan 20 15:28:42 no, I wonder WHETHER it's locked or not.. Jan 20 15:29:11 or even worse: not simlock but devlock Jan 20 15:29:20 it came with a 30 day trial SIM, and the case has a Vodafone sticker (like the Vista one) Jan 20 15:29:40 what's a devlock? Jan 20 15:29:45 send it in for repair Jan 20 15:30:06 this is promising: http://lnv.lithium.com/t5/T400-T500-and-newer-T-series/T400-Locked-to-Vodafone/m-p/48751 Jan 20 15:30:23 devlock is seen on some umts sticks that have a fixed provider in *firmware* Jan 20 15:30:31 eww Jan 20 15:31:22 ok, the word on the interweb is that it's not locked. that's good Jan 20 15:31:33 basically not very differewnt to simlock Jan 20 15:32:33 just doesn't reject alien sims but rather doen't associate to alien networks Jan 20 15:33:58 never seen one. just heard rumours Jan 20 15:47:54 satish: no, I don't mean the GetPower setting. There is an explicit Suspend() call Jan 20 16:24:27 Hello , how to know volume of all packages in Opkg List ? Jan 20 16:24:42 alabd: shr-u 1.7G tmp/deploy/ipk/ Jan 20 16:25:13 alabd: shr-t 790M Jan 20 16:25:23 JaMa|Off: what is that tmp/deploy/ipk/ ? Jan 20 16:25:33 alabd: shr feeds Jan 20 16:25:38 and how about android softwares ? Jan 20 16:25:49 no idea Jan 20 16:25:58 and how about debian ? Jan 20 16:26:43 and those numbers are not exact.. (because also "morgue" dirs are counted - old version, available in feeds but not installed by default) Jan 20 16:27:13 138M tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta02/morgue Jan 20 16:27:13 607M tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/morgue Jan 20 16:27:13 45M tmp/deploy/ipk/all/morgue Jan 20 16:27:31 37M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta02/morgue Jan 20 16:27:32 72M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/morgue Jan 20 16:27:32 3.2M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/all/morgue Jan 20 16:28:27 would you explain what does each one include ? Jan 20 16:29:20 alabd: you can check it yourself on web.. build.shr-project.org Jan 20 16:31:16 JaMa|Off: humble mean which one should be used for a7 ? Jan 20 16:31:17 armv4t/ Jan 20 16:31:23 or om-gta02 ? Jan 20 16:33:01 alabd: what is A7? motorola phone or just revision of freerunner? Jan 20 16:33:35 fr Jan 20 16:33:51 JaMa|Off: freerunner a7 Jan 20 16:33:59 alabd: for freerunner you're using all those dirs om-gta02 for device specific packages, armv4t for packages compatible for all armv4t devices and all for stuff like icons etc Jan 20 16:34:51 so you mean armv4t packages can be used with a7 also ? Jan 20 16:34:53 JaMa|Off: Jan 20 16:35:09 alabd: you clearly have not done your homework :) Jan 20 16:35:23 run "cat /etc/opkg/arch.conf" on your fr to see which priority has each directory.. Jan 20 16:36:03 all->armv4t->om-gta02->(ALL REVISIONS OF FR) Jan 20 16:36:55 alabd: you're using the same software with or without few additional capacitors :) Jan 20 16:38:15 lindi-: JaMa|Off humble am in final exams Jan 20 16:38:24 anyway humble am in hurr Jan 20 16:38:26 y Jan 20 16:38:29 bye 4 now Jan 20 16:51:38 Weiss: I think goldelico has some A7 on stock... Jan 20 16:53:00 Weiss: yup, on stock... 299€ including free debug board Jan 20 16:55:13 he is also doing #1024 fix, so one can ask for an already fixed one Jan 20 16:57:17 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r1e52512dd346 10/configure.ac: configure.ac: add gl to ALL_LINGUAS Jan 20 16:58:10 and he is trustworthy :-) Jan 20 16:58:53 * mrmoku dinner Jan 20 17:14:00 Anyone want to try mdbus2? http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/mickeydbus2_2.0.0+gitr1+70b87d6e8b04f0bf0078702f6467e037eb4fdb28-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Jan 20 17:41:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r00f353c4abf1 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: prepare for calling functions with only out params Jan 20 18:00:38 Weiss: yup, I'd recommend to consider goldelico as well Jan 20 18:01:13 mrmoku|away: another problem. no libpthread_nonshared.a. Jan 20 18:07:59 Q-Master: sorry, no idea about that one Jan 20 18:08:34 mrmoku: same as for libc_nonshared.a Jan 20 18:11:11 JaMa|Off: capacitors ? Jan 20 18:11:16 (08:05:55 PM) JaMa|Off: alabd: you're using the same software with or without few additional capacitors :) Jan 20 18:13:53 JaMa|Off: would you tell how did you find this ? shr-t 790M Jan 20 18:14:21 here does not show sizes http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/ Jan 20 18:14:52 and can all armv4t- packages be used for fr ? Jan 20 18:28:41 DocScrutinizer51, mrmoku: yeah, I'll send them a quick email to ask Jan 20 18:48:05 alabd: (capacitors) it's basically a few additional or changed capacitors from A6 to A7 Jan 20 18:48:22 alabd: software won't care Jan 20 18:48:41 alabd: I guess that's what JaMa|Off meant Jan 20 18:49:01 hi DocScrutinizer thanks Jan 20 18:49:15 and can all armv4t- packages be used for fr ? Jan 20 18:53:20 yup Jan 20 19:10:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r023646630bd2 10/fsousaged/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 20 19:10:34 freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: remove persistence stuff; we don't need that Jan 20 19:10:34 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: fsousaged has to be rewritten in order to properly serialize Jan 20 19:10:34 freesmartphone.org: resource requests retaining the sync semantics of the API :/ Jan 20 19:30:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/experimental * r2d6a4663941b 10cornucopia/fsousaged/src/plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala: fsousaged: add command classes Jan 20 19:43:07 * Weiss wonders if there is anyone who doesn't have a debug board already who needs one Jan 20 19:43:22 since GD only offer the FR with the debug board, and I already have one Jan 20 19:43:34 offer it to a hackerspace ? Jan 20 19:53:48 mrmoku, JaMa|Off opkg upgrade bug Jan 20 19:54:17 updaye kernel doesn't flash to nand Jan 20 19:54:30 if I booted from ubifs Jan 20 19:54:53 heh Jan 20 19:55:37 its just says "not booting from nand - non flashing" which it wrong Jan 20 19:59:41 max_posedon: has_mtdblock=`echo $boot_arg |grep mtdblock` Jan 20 19:59:52 is what it is doing to check if it booted from flash Jan 20 20:00:16 boot_arg=`cat /proc/cmdline |tr " " "\n"|grep "root=" |tail -n 1` Jan 20 20:03:42 no mtdblock in my cmdline Jan 20 20:05:22 ubi.mtd=6 rootfs=ubi0:root Jan 20 20:06:21 what's the difference between packages in these dirs Jan 20 20:06:22 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ Jan 20 20:06:22 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02/ Jan 20 20:08:18 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * ra02c50a88aba 10/ (34 files in 7 dirs): msmcterm/libmsmcomm: various unfinished stuff Jan 20 20:09:28 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r05b4697ba7a6 10/docs/hci_uart_spec.pdf: docs: add hci uart specification (from bluetooth.com webpage) Jan 20 20:09:59 som Jan 20 20:10:31 e people boots with kernel from nand and rootfs on sdcard Jan 20 20:11:03 haven't we another way? Jan 20 20:11:43 max_posedon: you can boot kernel from whatever and use rootfs from whatever, no restrictions. Jan 20 20:13:08 I mean another way to check should we flash kernel to nand or not Jan 20 20:16:54 max_posedon: i would prefer to flash kernel myself whenever i feel so. Jan 20 20:17:04 Without automagic upgrades. Jan 20 20:22:31 opkg upgrade updates your modules Jan 20 20:23:11 soltys, part of kernel updated auto anyway Jan 20 20:29:11 any opinion ? Jan 20 20:29:33 max_posedon: i would prefer to have all distro kernels have different uname -r, so modules aren't a problem. Jan 20 20:30:01 of course with non-deleting modules on upgrade Jan 20 20:30:24 but current OE update kernel/modules behaviour will do it Jan 20 20:31:36 I basically agree with OE model for end-users Jan 20 20:51:03 max_posedon: no sane distro does that :/ Jan 20 20:51:40 yeah. Jan 20 20:52:13 I think best solution is add param to kernel cmd Jan 20 20:52:34 * DocScrutinizer51 curses recent kernel update which borked opensuse sata drives for him Jan 20 20:52:37 but, its long way. Jan 20 20:52:43 hi. is there something going on about bluetooth hands-free profile in SHR land. its the only thing I'm really missing on my FR-is-my-only-and-every-day-phone Jan 20 20:53:15 hooray Jan 20 20:53:50 someone using FR as a only-and-every-day-phone Jan 20 20:53:54 :) Jan 20 20:54:10 * DocScrutinizer51 hides Jan 20 20:54:12 DocScrutinizer51, I'm!) Jan 20 20:54:23 topro: there's a possibility to use BT headset for GSM calls if you mean that. Jan 20 20:54:35 topro: read more at Manually using Bluetooth wikipage please. Jan 20 20:54:39 DocScrutinizer-8, and last time I had 5-days-gprs-reliable-calls! Jan 20 20:54:40 yes, I am. its been a hard way some times, but I stick to it Jan 20 20:54:45 max_posedon: you're USSR that doesn't count Jan 20 20:54:59 look at above message) Jan 20 20:55:31 DocScrutinizer51: btw, BY has more sane regulatory rules wrt Wifi 5GHz channels than RU :| Jan 20 20:55:38 PaulFert`: well actually I would like to use it with my car-manufaturers preinstalled hands-free kit Jan 20 20:56:24 PaulFert`: I did read the 'Manually using bluetooth' before but I'm quite sure thats not what I'm looking for Jan 20 20:56:27 topro: it shouldn't matter much. But probably car kit will require some extra trick, i think TAsn was recently working on some obex-related improvements. Jan 20 20:56:30 all those commis are using every craps and are realy good in making it work Jan 20 20:56:31 DocScrutinizer51: me is not USSR ;) Jan 20 20:56:38 X-P Jan 20 20:56:44 and neither a commie :P Jan 20 20:56:46 DocScrutinizer do you know :-/ ? Jan 20 20:56:47 topro: SCO headset should be the same as car handsfree kit. Jan 20 20:56:55 mrmoku: how about you ? Jan 20 20:57:07 what's the difference between packages in these dirs Jan 20 20:57:08 (11:35:20 PM) alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ Jan 20 20:57:08 (11:35:20 PM) alabd: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02/ Jan 20 20:57:16 PaulFert`: don't they use different BT profiles (headset vs hands-free)?!? Jan 20 20:57:28 alabd: om-gta02 contains packages specific to the FR Jan 20 20:57:42 you can't use them on neo1973 Jan 20 20:57:54 PaulFert`, I don't think I have :P Jan 20 20:57:56 mrmoku: can http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ be used on fr ? Jan 20 20:58:00 TAsn: who did? mrmoku ? Jan 20 20:58:10 PaulFert`, I don't remember. :P Jan 20 20:58:19 alabd: already responded to that :) Jan 20 20:58:20 yup Jan 20 20:58:20 I think someone not from the core team Jan 20 20:58:23 topro: shouldn't matter, HFP and HSP should be done by bluez the same way. Jan 20 20:58:25 can be used Jan 20 20:59:06 I read something on a mailing list about someone connecting FR with BMW HandsFree unit. Didn't reply if he succedded,though Jan 20 20:59:25 http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-unstable-Bluetooth-pairing-with-BMW-Pro-Radio-car-handsfree-fails-td3058408.html Jan 20 20:59:44 mrmoku: where? what ? Jan 20 20:59:53 topro: I'm interesting too Jan 20 20:59:55 topro: probably his car kit is too picky. Or needs that OBEX stuff. Jan 20 21:00:03 alabd: armv4t can be used on FR, yes Jan 20 21:00:19 topro: if you make some improvement let the community knows please :) Jan 20 21:00:24 I can pair but then the on-board-monitor says in 'connecting' mode. fr says it's paired Jan 20 21:00:40 zeusone: i will, when I get it eventually Jan 20 21:00:55 topro: thanks Jan 20 21:01:20 topro: probably you might want to try with your laptop to make tests easier. Also gather hcidump and talk to bluez folks about it. Jan 20 21:01:26 mrmoku: how did jama find those info ?http://pastebin.com/m7322e3d7 Jan 20 21:01:30 topro: that's something to be solved upstream. Jan 20 21:03:02 alabd: du -sh ? Jan 20 21:03:45 topro: and that requires users to actually participate, start with hcidumping and try to get attention of bluez folks to it. Jan 20 21:04:24 and can humble download all packages from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ and install all together on shr-testing ? Jan 20 21:05:22 alabd: if you think that makes sense... yes Jan 20 21:05:43 and if you SD card is big enough :) Jan 20 21:05:53 PaulFert`: where can I get in contact with bluez-devs? I'm willing to track that down Jan 20 21:06:21 how to download dir content ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ Jan 20 21:06:38 topro: bluez development ML and #bluez irc channel obviously. Jan 20 21:07:03 k, I will see what I can achive Jan 20 21:07:27 JaMa|Off: mrmoku is there an app in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ that is not in om-gta02 dir ? Jan 20 21:07:34 topro: thanks for your involvment. Jan 20 21:08:12 alabd, they contain different packages Jan 20 21:08:24 alabd: they are either in armv4t or in om-gta02... not in both Jan 20 21:08:38 well actually I just try to give my two cents for keeping the free phone idea alive Jan 20 21:09:13 but both are being used by default anyway, so i doubt you want to actually download all the pkgs there... Jan 20 21:10:03 mrmoku: spaetz are all packages on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ useful for fr ? Jan 20 21:10:39 alabd: what kind of question is that? the question should be if they are usefull for _you_ Jan 20 21:10:44 if you want mysql on your fr :-) Jan 20 21:11:19 btw. I made a tangogps patch for heart-rate measurement, announced on ML but there is actually no interest at all. did hope someone might be waiting for that (like I did) Jan 20 21:11:47 they are useful for _someone_, thats why they are there Jan 20 21:12:30 spaetz: morgue dir Jan 20 21:13:11 ignore it, it´s old versions Jan 20 21:14:17 alabd: please read the answers a bit more carefully.. I think I already answered all those questions to you about 6 hours ago :/ Jan 20 21:15:28 topro, zeusone: if you are interested in PBAP (showing your conatacts on the handsfree) you can try sth for me Jan 20 21:15:43 JaMa|Off: what is the volume of http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ spaetzmrm Jan 20 21:15:56 Heinervdm: yes I will ;) Jan 20 21:16:53 Heinervdm: but tell me ... what Jan 20 21:16:53 39 MB yes JaMa|Off ? Jan 20 21:17:23 topro: you can install this package: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r2.4_armv4t.ipk and then pair another bluetooth linux device. And then tell me what sdptool brwose shows for the FR Jan 20 21:18:03 spaetz: how to ignore that while wget -r http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ ? Jan 20 21:18:03 alabd: no.. 37M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta02/morgue Jan 20 21:18:22 topro: i want to know if the Phonebook Access Protocol is shown Jan 20 21:18:24 topro: the only problem is that the car is not mine Jan 20 21:18:25 Heinervdm: sdptool running on other linux box to read PB from FR, right? Jan 20 21:18:53 topro: so I can saw the device only during some weekend Jan 20 21:19:01 topro: you can't read PB because there is an error in obexd Jan 20 21:19:16 topro: but i want to know if the protocol is shown Jan 20 21:19:39 alabd: 65M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/all Jan 20 21:19:39 613M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t Jan 20 21:19:39 30M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta01 Jan 20 21:19:39 83M ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta02 Jan 20 21:19:39 8.0K ../shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/x86_64 Jan 20 21:19:41 zeusone: its not mine either, but I will have some acces to it for another 2.5 years ;) Jan 20 21:19:53 Heinervdm: stand by... Jan 20 21:20:15 JaMa|Off: humble can not access http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/tmp/deploy/ipk/om-gta02/morgue Jan 20 21:20:31 topro: :) Jan 20 21:20:57 alabd: your link is wrong.. Jan 20 21:21:12 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02/morgue/ Jan 20 21:23:29 JaMa|Off: how to get packages in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ ? wget -r was not usefu Jan 20 21:23:32 l Jan 20 21:24:01 alabd: why do you want to do this? Jan 20 21:24:27 alabd: if you really want to install that all use opkg for that Jan 20 21:24:36 JaMa|Off: to download and make a local rep for fr Jan 20 21:24:52 hmm, is there a kde4 bluetooth widget for my debian box? Jan 20 21:25:16 topro: something like kbluetooth? Jan 20 21:25:16 and it's not required to be installed now JaMa|Off Jan 20 21:25:34 topro: I have 0.4-rc2 on gentoo box Jan 20 21:25:52 JaMa|Off: jep, thats it, thanks Jan 20 21:27:48 damn, it wont ask me for pairing authorisation, FR just gets : Enter PIN Code: 0000 Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationRejected: Authentication Rejected Jan 20 21:28:15 JaMa|Off: so how to download just .ipk files in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ ? Jan 20 21:29:15 topro: i think you can use sdptool without pairing too Jan 20 21:30:28 topro: but you have to start obexd :) it's in /usr/libexec/obexd Jan 20 21:30:43 topro: start with obexd -n -p Jan 20 21:30:57 obexd which I installed using your ipk? Jan 20 21:31:03 topro: yes Jan 20 21:31:20 or better -n -p -f Jan 20 21:31:39 then you should also see ftp support Jan 20 21:32:40 which pastebin url to use? Jan 20 21:33:45 topro: try http://shr.pastebin.com Jan 20 21:35:53 without obexd: http://shr.pastebin.com/m5a158114 Jan 20 21:36:39 with obexd: http://shr.pastebin.com/m15757f12 Jan 20 21:37:03 topro: thx Jan 20 21:37:06 Heinervdm: think thats what you were hoping for Jan 20 21:37:19 topro: yes, so it's recognized Jan 20 21:37:49 the problem is, that the functions in my fso plugin for obexd aren't called Jan 20 21:38:04 there must be an error somewhere else in obexd Jan 20 21:38:21 where is that obexd from? Jan 20 21:38:44 obexd is from bluez.org and my plugin is from me Jan 20 21:41:08 SHR: 03mok 07shr-specs * r062fb8278132 10/org.shr.phonefso/org.shr.phonefso.Usage.xml.in: shr.phonefso.Usage: add Set/GetOfflineMode Jan 20 21:41:24 mrmoku, :P Jan 20 21:41:29 SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r2746161ad596 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): implement offline mode Jan 20 21:41:30 SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r2e60149333bd 10/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/phonefsod-fso.c): remove dependency on libphone-ui Jan 20 21:41:30 :) Jan 20 21:41:51 topro: I have to try to talk to the obexd dev's again, but they answer very seldom... Jan 20 21:42:09 TAsn: even tested it for a while... and seems to work :-) Jan 20 21:42:20 sweet :P Jan 20 21:42:33 mrmoku, phonefsod has no libphone-ui deps? Jan 20 21:42:50 gotta leave now. will try to make some hcidumps and tests with your obexd against bmw hands-free. will report... n8 Jan 20 21:42:56 TAsn: the only need for libphone-ui was the dialog type enum Jan 20 21:43:02 I just copied it Jan 20 21:43:08 mrmoku, yuck :P Jan 20 21:43:15 should be text anyway Jan 20 21:43:16 ... Jan 20 21:43:27 so it's a minor hack in the meanwhile Jan 20 21:43:31 yeah Jan 20 21:43:35 mrmoku, btw Jan 20 21:43:46 Set/GetOfflineMode sounds a bit weird :P Jan 20 21:44:10 and a few more questions, what about the move to the new opimd? and what about the settings tool? :P Jan 20 21:44:11 SetOfflineMode... GetOfflineMode... why? Jan 20 21:44:14 *screen Jan 20 21:44:29 and phonelog... and... :P Jan 20 21:44:40 mrmoku, GetOfflineMode sounds weird :P Jan 20 21:44:55 mrmoku, but we already wrote the settings app and everything needed for new opimd Jan 20 21:45:04 the only reason we don't yet "move" is laziness :P Jan 20 21:45:25 well, it needs you and dos1 for that Jan 20 21:45:36 we wrote everything already Jan 20 21:45:37 I have no idea of neither part Jan 20 21:45:38 bye, and keep up the great work. I won't get myself an iph*ne ;) Jan 20 21:45:55 he wrote the postinst script and he's only waiting for us to tell him to merge opimd with master Jan 20 21:46:08 topro, iphone sucks BADLY Jan 20 21:46:30 TAsn: ^^ thats what I said, didn't I... Jan 20 21:46:32 mrmoku, and I already wrote everything and I only need to merge with master as well :P Jan 20 21:46:39 bye Jan 20 21:46:53 topro, you said you won't get one, I'm saying it sucks BADLY in general Jan 20 21:47:03 I really hate it (iphone) Jan 20 21:47:33 TAsn, like people hate windows, or like people hate some food? Jan 20 21:47:37 mrmoku, I'll be available soon to get back to moko wore :P Jan 20 21:47:38 TAsn: so... where lies the problem? Jan 20 21:47:44 mrmoku, nowhere Jan 20 21:47:47 :) Jan 20 21:47:51 that's the thing, everything is DONE Jan 20 21:48:04 we only need to add dos's script to postinst Jan 20 21:48:07 of frameworkd Jan 20 21:48:39 max_posedon, I just think it's a terrible phone, the same way I think windows is a terrible OS, I just can't get myself to use neither of those, as they don't answer my needs, and they generally sucks Jan 20 21:48:45 TAsn: when is soon? :P Jan 20 21:49:03 but I'll be caught using an iphone, way before I'll be caught using windows :P Jan 20 21:49:13 mrmoku, 30 days ;( Jan 20 21:49:22 maybe less (25) Jan 20 21:49:28 so we might want to merge it earlier ;) Jan 20 21:49:38 I guess. :P Jan 20 21:49:46 I'm sending dos a memo as we speak. Jan 20 21:50:13 origin/new-opimd is the one to look at, right? Jan 20 21:50:22 TAsn: do you know where the postinst thing is? Jan 20 21:50:35 mrmoku, in libphone-ui* yeah. Jan 20 21:50:50 mrmoku, I think he already sent it in an email (not sure) Jan 20 21:50:56 should just wait for his reply. Jan 20 21:50:58 let me check Jan 20 21:51:57 hmm... can't find it Jan 20 21:52:08 let's just wait for dos1 then... as we need him anyway :) Jan 20 21:52:17 to merge opimd with master? yeah. Jan 20 21:52:22 btw, as I said, I'm using it for a while Jan 20 21:52:25 nice stuff :P Jan 20 21:53:04 I should really opkg upgrade though Jan 20 21:53:12 looking forward to it then :) Jan 20 21:53:21 I'm running a *VERY* old version. Jan 20 21:53:28 mrmoku, after I finish this semester Jan 20 21:53:41 I plan on rewriting (with you) all the rest of the libphone-ui-shr Jan 20 21:53:41 parst Jan 20 21:53:44 parts* Jan 20 21:54:04 lets hope I'll really do it :P Jan 20 21:54:19 it sounds plausible, as I will have a lot of free time Jan 20 21:54:26 hehe... let's see... don't know how my time will be when #3 arrived :P Jan 20 21:54:37 and how the waves behave ;) Jan 20 21:54:50 it's just that I hate GUI programming, and that's why I never helped that much in that topic :P Jan 20 21:55:01 mrmoku, hehe, this was a crazy winter Jan 20 21:55:16 very not "israeli" Jan 20 21:55:18 :P Jan 20 21:55:31 meant "not isreali" Jan 20 21:55:37 anyhow, ciao Jan 20 21:55:39 night. Jan 20 21:56:06 yeah... me too Jan 20 21:56:08 night Jan 20 22:12:47 JaMa|Off: what command shows folder volume ?http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/morgue/ Jan 20 22:15:25 alabd: I've run du -hs on that server Jan 20 22:27:29 thanks Jan 21 01:18:19 JaMa|Off: re [Shr-Devel] [PATCH] stopwatch: new program - does this include shr-testing? Jan 21 01:18:35 JaMa|Off: just updated and cant see it ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 21 02:59:56 2010