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If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 24 10:21:54 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 24 10:21:54 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 24 10:48:48 Hey all... Elm_browser is segfaulting for me and eve says it can't create a webview. Anyone has/had this problem? Tried re-installing webkit, but no change. :( Jan 24 11:04:19 I'm trying to control "ALC Mixer Rx Capture Switch" with amixer but keep getting errors like http://paste.debian.net/57482/ -- any idea what i'm doing wrong? Jan 24 11:04:39 PaulFer``: er, mentioning urls is not banned completely? ;) Jan 24 11:05:35 lindi-: it's banned temporarily for 3 minutes, yes. You can avoid triggering by not matching http: (and two slashes) Jan 24 11:06:02 Probably i'll try to make eggdrop do something more sane but it takes time, i'm really new to it. Jan 24 11:06:10 PaulFer``: any comments on the audio issue? ;) Jan 24 11:06:59 lindi-: it's cswitch Jan 24 11:07:06 And not pswitch Jan 24 11:07:09 PaulFer``: i should use cset? Jan 24 11:07:33 lindi-: probably so, i haven't tried Jan 24 11:08:04 PaulFer``: that too fails, paste.debian.net/57483/ Jan 24 11:09:13 lindi-: alc mixer rx can be only toggled to capture/not capture Jan 24 11:09:31 set cap Jan 24 11:09:37 cap? Jan 24 11:09:44 $ amixer cset 'ALC Mixer Rx' cap Jan 24 11:09:44 Wrong control identifier: ALC Mixer Rx Jan 24 11:10:14 lindi-: amixer sset 'ALC Mixer Rx' cap Jan 24 11:10:20 Works for me Jan 24 11:10:25 aha! Jan 24 11:10:28 so sset Jan 24 11:10:29 not cset Jan 24 11:10:56 PaulFer``: where could I have guessed that it is "cap" that it wants? ;) Jan 24 11:11:00 lindi-: paste.debian.net/57484/ Jan 24 11:11:30 PaulFer``: yes it works Jan 24 11:11:36 i think I tried Capture and capture Jan 24 11:11:38 but not "cap" Jan 24 11:11:39 lindi-: well, i started "alsamixer" and saw that this control has no other way to tweak except toggling capture. Then man amixer :) Jan 24 11:11:57 aha Jan 24 11:11:59 thanks Jan 24 11:12:18 :] Jan 24 11:17:29 PaulFer``: what's the deal with amixer wanting short names and alsactl longer names btw? Jan 24 11:19:15 lindi-: sset means "simple" mixer controls. I guess that's somehow related. :) Jan 24 11:21:37 lindi-: amixer sget foobar Jan 24 11:22:09 DocScrutinizer: paste.debian.net/57485/ Jan 24 11:23:28 lindi-: amixer sget Jan 24 11:23:46 DocScrutinizer: without arguments? Jan 24 11:23:54 list all Jan 24 11:24:07 so youll find the name Jan 24 11:24:10 "amixer sget" says just "Specify a scontrol identifier: 'name',index" Jan 24 11:24:23 sorry Jan 24 11:24:29 amixer scontrols Jan 24 11:24:43 ar simply amixer Jan 24 11:24:44 iirc Jan 24 11:25:38 $ amixer scontrols|grep "Bypass"|nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 # paste.debian.net/57486/ Jan 24 11:26:13 DocScrutinizer: is it that "Bypass"? Jan 24 11:27:07 lindi-: I'm lazy to c&p all those pastebins, esp ifthey're supposedtoyield one line grep result Jan 24 11:27:28 that yielded 5 lines so i thought i wouldn't past it Jan 24 11:27:45 nah, just paste here Jan 24 11:27:57 5lines is limit ;-) Jan 24 11:28:09 Simple mixer control 'Mono Bypass',0 Jan 24 11:28:09 Simple mixer control 'Mono Mixer Bypass Playback Swit',0 Jan 24 11:28:09 Simple mixer control 'Bypass',0 Jan 24 11:28:09 Simple mixer control 'Left Mixer Bypass Playback Swit',0 Jan 24 11:28:09 Simple mixer control 'Right Mixer Bypass Playback Swi',0 Jan 24 11:28:35 Bypass seems to affect control.6 Jan 24 11:31:45 lindi-: I never managed to completely wrap my head around the complex vs simple concept Jan 24 11:35:19 lindi-: I usually confirm by using alsamixer (or any other means) to change exactly ONE control, then diff the output of amixer to the prev one Jan 24 11:36:07 my largest problem is that i always forget to keep a copy of the kernel source with me on the phone so it's tricky to check those register names against alsa names :) Jan 24 11:36:10 it's embarrasing but... Jan 24 11:36:51 I found it much too tricky even with source Jan 24 11:39:29 DocScrutinizer: heh. today i thought i'd like to get my usb headset to work. so far i think i have managed to get the audio from gsm to the adc: paste.debian.net/57490/ Jan 24 11:39:37 but now afk Jan 24 11:41:45 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rf89712701c66 10/msmcommd/ (.gitignore src/llc.c): msmcommd: fix bug in processing acknowledge frames Jan 24 11:41:46 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r61e0e2c003b0 10/msmcommd/ (include/msmcomm/buffer.h src/buffer.c): msmcommd: add buffer code from zebra (http://www.zebra.org/) Jan 24 11:44:42 tzzz too bad of CIA-47 Jan 24 11:46:00 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * ra5d23a8da927 10/msmcommd/src/ (Makefile.am buffer.c): msmcommd: make buffer compile Jan 24 11:46:49 PaulFer``: moinmoin Jan 24 11:48:52 DocScrutinizer: good morning :) Jan 24 11:56:57 PaulFer``: fell in love with eggdrop? Jan 24 11:59:32 DocScrutinizer: not yet, it's complicated Jan 24 12:00:09 I bet it is Jan 24 12:01:03 That said, all my RL friends are insane and complicated one way or the other, so i'm used to that kind of stuff. Jan 24 12:02:08 ;-P like am I Jan 24 12:02:26 (intended ambiguity) Jan 24 12:03:38 LOL Jan 24 12:08:09 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a way for a stupid Op to set CIA-47 +e Jan 24 12:09:00 or whatever may be needed to exclude it from +R mute Jan 24 12:11:07 does +v work? Jan 24 12:11:36 don't think so. But who knows Jan 24 12:12:48 Weiss: are you less of weekend lazy than me, to log in with a non ident nick and check? Jan 24 12:13:13 ok :) Jan 24 12:13:39 wibble wobble Jan 24 12:13:54 wobble Jan 24 12:14:23 Weiss_: now! Jan 24 12:14:29 wibble Jan 24 12:14:52 fuck Jan 24 12:15:06 12:14 < Weiss_> wobblewibble Jan 24 12:15:06 12:14 -!- #openmoko-cdevel Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel Jan 24 12:15:21 seems to work? Jan 24 12:15:34 yep Jan 24 12:15:53 max_posedon_: sorry, was an oops Jan 24 12:16:48 I don't care) Jan 24 12:20:22 JaMa: so.. does SHR(-unstable) include all the libdrm and Mesa bits regardless of whether you use a DRM kernel or not? Jan 24 12:21:18 Weiss: yes.. everything is included by default Jan 24 12:21:30 Weiss: only kernel needs to be downloaded manually Jan 24 12:22:49 cool... also SHR-testing? Jan 24 12:22:53 so let's see whom to unvoice now :-) Jan 24 12:24:09 Weiss: yes Jan 24 12:25:26 voice flood :D Jan 24 12:25:53 JaMa: cool... that makes testing nice and easy for me :) Jan 24 12:27:48 yeah and in a second I'm kickd for flooding ;-P Jan 24 12:30:21 btw Jan 24 12:31:43 byebye +v, dos1 Jan 24 12:31:56 hmm.. why +v but no +R? Jan 24 12:31:59 (or +m) Jan 24 12:32:08 +m anytime Jan 24 12:32:17 it's my fscking provider... ;/ Jan 24 12:32:19 just playing ;-P Jan 24 12:32:44 umm Jan 24 12:32:59 so everyone has webkit working minus me? :( Jan 24 12:33:02 it's my fscking provider... ;/ seems today i can only dream about internet connectivity... Jan 24 12:33:03 * beniwtv cries Jan 24 12:33:32 dos1: irssi+screen+shell account? works very well for not missing things despite connectivity problems Jan 24 12:33:50 f*ck f*ck f*ck, i need to repair broken SHR instalation on my phone... Jan 24 12:34:25 Weiss: well, i don't care so much about IRC as I care about working phone, and to fix it i need to install new image on NAND and chroot to my system on SD :x Jan 24 12:34:27 Weiss: given U got a rock solid shell account somewhere, then yes :-P Jan 24 12:34:53 hehe Jan 24 12:34:57 downloading image: 20KB/s... and transfer stalls to few minutes every few seconds of downloading... Jan 24 12:35:01 * Weiss will pass that compliment on to his ISP :) Jan 24 12:35:25 downloading image: 20KB/s... and transfer stalls to few minutes every few seconds of downloading... Jan 24 12:35:34 dos1: !!!! poor guy Jan 24 12:35:50 and well, i have shell... but i would like to connect to it firstly... Jan 24 12:36:04 ick :( Jan 24 12:37:07 nasty net weather today for dos1 Jan 24 12:40:04 anyway, dos1. I don't really get it Jan 24 12:40:32 [2010-01-24 13:30:55] <-- dos1 hat den Server verlassen ("Kabum!"). Jan 24 12:40:34 [2010-01-24 13:31:04] --> dos1 hat den Kanal betreten (n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1). Jan 24 12:40:42 [2010-01-24 13:32:28] <-- dos1 hat den Server verlassen (Client Quit). Jan 24 12:40:43 [2010-01-24 13:32:43] --> dos1 hat den Kanal betreten (n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1). Jan 24 12:40:52 [2010-01-24 13:35:04] <-- dos1 hat den Server verlassen (Client Quit). Jan 24 12:40:53 [2010-01-24 13:35:14] --> dos1 hat den Kanal betreten (n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1). Jan 24 12:41:03 [2010-01-24 13:40:14] <-- dos1 hat den Server verlassen (Remote closed the connection). Jan 24 12:41:05 [2010-01-24 13:40:29] --> dos1 hat den Kanal betreten (n=dos@host-79.173.4.43.tesatnet.pl). Jan 24 12:41:19 * Weiss sends dos1 two tin cans, some string, and an acoustic coupler Jan 24 12:41:21 WTF? tesatnet? Jan 24 12:41:52 dos1: also the quit reasons are quite different Jan 24 12:42:07 WTF? :/ Jan 24 12:42:13 and often looks like your client delibarately drops connection Jan 24 12:42:46 OMFG Jan 24 12:43:30 OMFG, sorry guys ^^""" Jan 24 12:43:50 and DocScrutinizer, thanks... my laptop connected to some other wifi network :D Jan 24 12:44:05 yeah that's what I thought Jan 24 12:45:02 ~lart WiFi Jan 24 12:45:03 * apt chops WiFi in half with a free Solaris 7 CD Jan 24 12:50:30 DocScrutinizer: do you know if there is a version of the wm8753 routing diagram that shows the alsa control numbers also for the adc stuff (highpass filter, 3d, adcpol, datsel, etc.) Jan 24 12:50:51 never seen any Jan 24 12:51:02 ok, so i'm not reinventing the wheel if i draw it Jan 24 12:51:15 highly appreciated Jan 24 12:51:18 :-) Jan 24 12:53:19 PaulFer``: DocScrutinizer: do you know if there is some way to specify that i want to control neo1973gta02 with amixer and not some other card? "-c 0" assumes something about their order which might not always be true Jan 24 12:53:42 (connecting usb headsets to openmoko...) Jan 24 12:53:50 hehe Jan 24 12:53:56 (and would like to make it explicit which amixer command is for which device) Jan 24 12:53:57 major issue Jan 24 12:54:31 you,ll need the card in alsa.state files to make them work Jan 24 12:55:01 you'll also want to specify -c X for each amixer command. Jan 24 12:55:12 DocScrutinizer: yep but the problem is that X can change :) Jan 24 12:55:27 the order usually should stay unchanged Jan 24 12:55:30 aiui Jan 24 12:55:36 DocScrutinizer: it won't if you have audio support in modules Jan 24 12:55:50 it depends on the order in which you happen to load the kernel modules Jan 24 12:56:18 I seem to remember parameters to modprobe audiofoo to cope with that Jan 24 12:56:26 aha Jan 24 12:56:43 lemme chack alsa docs Jan 24 12:56:45 momp Jan 24 12:56:51 mompl Jan 24 12:58:35 lindi-: without further checking it, I'd guess you'll want to read http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards#Recommended_solution Jan 24 12:59:54 muahaha for the +R :) Jan 24 13:00:12 maybe some whitelisting could be done ? Jan 24 13:02:10 http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards#How_to_choose_a_particular_order_for_multiple_installed_cards Jan 24 13:04:09 funny how I was aware of that issue for >1y now but never managed to set attention focus of devels to it Jan 24 13:06:59 I get quite large delay with arecord -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - | aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 Jan 24 13:07:19 (routing handset mic via 48 to 64 (right ADC) and then playing it to usb headset) Jan 24 13:08:08 lindi-: the piping might spoil your audio delay Jan 24 13:08:14 DocScrutinizer: yes Jan 24 13:08:23 chdck fo things like chunksize etc Jan 24 13:08:44 maybe use sox to "pip" from input to output Jan 24 13:10:28 -B 2000 at least did not seem to have an effect Jan 24 13:10:32 or gstreamer Jan 24 13:10:49 -B 128 Jan 24 13:11:07 but the pipe "|" is the real problem I guess Jan 24 13:11:26 it's not optimized for streaming Jan 24 13:11:30 argh, guess where the debug output of -v goes Jan 24 13:11:44 I know xP Jan 24 13:12:12 braindamaged Jan 24 13:12:59 now installing sox Jan 24 13:13:04 use -vvv for *real* fun Jan 24 13:13:19 moin wpwrak Jan 24 13:15:32 lindi-: carefully check sox manpage, for internal format and implicit conversions affecting both performance and quality Jan 24 13:16:17 DocScrutinizer: is there some way to record only from right ADC? "-c 1" says " Channels count non available" Jan 24 13:16:27 lindi-: then choose wisely about the audio format of alsa devices you use with sox Jan 24 13:16:49 lindi-: nope, alsa doesn't support that Jan 24 13:17:11 DocScrutinizer: ok, then i just need some fast program that can remove one channel :) Jan 24 13:17:22 i think i wrote it already Jan 24 13:17:23 but you can set up a routing plugin for alsa to only get one channel Jan 24 13:17:36 DocScrutinizer: ah so alsa supports but arecord doesn't? Jan 24 13:17:49 both support it Jan 24 13:18:04 DocScrutinizer: let me rephrase, arecord support but only if i modify .asoundrc? Jan 24 13:18:05 just basic alsa hw devices are fixed chanel Jan 24 13:18:16 yep kinda Jan 24 13:18:25 since i need to modify .asoundrc to create non-basic alsa device :) Jan 24 13:18:32 yep Jan 24 13:18:58 * DocScrutinizer fails to recall nick of the guy we walked thru all this a few months ago Jan 24 13:19:02 ok, that should reduce cpu load a bit Jan 24 13:19:11 lindi-: check gsmrecorder app Jan 24 13:20:08 googling with gsmrecorder openmoko does not find much Jan 24 13:20:12 maybe only in irc? Jan 24 13:20:52 no idea how the app actually was called. callrecorder? Jan 24 13:21:15 http://www.opkg.org/package_200.html maybe? Jan 24 13:21:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Call_Recorder ? Jan 24 13:23:26 lindi-: basically it's totally simple: use 'arecord -c 1 -D plug:hw0.0' Jan 24 13:23:49 the plug plugin is supposed to do all the converting foo for you automagically Jan 24 13:24:27 lindi-: google chan logs for "-D plug" Jan 24 13:25:17 9-12.2009 Jan 24 13:25:56 should yield a few hits with really useful info Jan 24 13:26:43 arecord -D plughw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 - | aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 works Jan 24 13:27:03 great :-D Jan 24 13:27:31 DocScrutinizer: any idea what should I do if I wanted left ADC instead? Jan 24 13:27:42 blah, kernel panic Jan 24 13:27:53 LOL Jan 24 13:28:34 lindi-: (left ADC) by default the plug plugin seems to mix left and right 50:50 Jan 24 13:28:38 happens with arecord -D plughw:1,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 - Jan 24 13:28:57 DocScrutinizer: ah, i wanted to select one channel Jan 24 13:28:59 so if you set right ADC level to 0 you will get left only Jan 24 13:29:00 not mix them together Jan 24 13:29:42 otherwise check alsa docs for route plugin or the like Jan 24 13:30:20 makes debugging easier if I have two headsets where one plays what right ADC gets and the other one plays what left ADC gets :) Jan 24 13:30:26 http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html Jan 24 13:31:08 check that and gain master level ;-) Jan 24 13:34:20 http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_route Jan 24 13:34:53 bug reporting first :) Jan 24 13:34:59 JaMa (/anyone else who might know): still getting this -lc problem, with a clean up-to-date shr/unstable.. Jan 24 13:36:52 Weiss: -lc problem? Jan 24 13:37:54 lindi-: http://pastebin.de/3438 Jan 24 13:38:08 I wonder if it could be relevant that eglibc is still compiling..? Jan 24 13:39:52 or... that's looking for -lc on my (host) installation? Jan 24 13:40:39 Weiss: it shouldn't be using your host libc probably? Jan 24 13:42:52 ah.. in F12 there's a separate package for glibc static linking Jan 24 13:45:31 * DocScrutinizer *loves* static linking Jan 24 13:45:50 ok bug reported Jan 24 13:46:16 * DocScrutinizer would like to statically link a few libs into a few apps. Alas is too stupic Jan 24 13:46:21 d Jan 24 13:47:25 * DocScrutinizer thinks of friggin crtpcpp for twinkle that *really* could use static linking Jan 24 13:47:55 DocScrutinizer: why static linking? Jan 24 13:48:28 as it's a royal PITA to get the libs for all different distros Jan 24 13:48:39 DocScrutinizer: well you can ship the libs? Jan 24 13:48:46 and nobody except twinkle is using them anyway Jan 24 13:50:02 ok, after installing the static package, it works Jan 24 13:50:19 (i.e. the package of bits you need if you want to do static linking of other things) Jan 24 13:52:14 .a vs .so is as far as I got wrt that topic Jan 24 13:52:46 DocScrutinizer: i would avoid static linking if at all possible. even just shipping the libraries is better Jan 24 13:53:47 lindi-: the libs *are* part of the distro. Alas they are ABI incompatible Jan 24 13:54:11 DocScrutinizer: yep then you need to ship the compatible ones Jan 24 13:54:18 now you ship the new libs -> new libs include other libs. Now those ABI ARE INCOMPATIBLE Jan 24 13:54:25 oops capslock Jan 24 13:54:37 DocScrutinizer: you of course need to include all libraries that are needed Jan 24 13:54:57 but it's better to have those as separate files than as one blob Jan 24 13:54:58 that's down to glibc it seems :-( Jan 24 13:55:10 should be no problem to include glibc too :) Jan 24 13:55:17 haha Jan 24 13:55:22 been there, done that Jan 24 13:55:45 just installing new glibc breaks a zillion of other apps then Jan 24 13:55:52 DocScrutinizer: but you don't overwrite anything Jan 24 13:56:00 DocScrutinizer: just ship the libraries in some app private directory Jan 24 13:56:19 *IF* the lib revisions were handled in a sane way then YES Jan 24 13:56:28 but here they ARE NOT Jan 24 13:56:46 DocScrutinizer: if you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH then your libraries will be used instead of those from the distro Jan 24 13:56:58 I know of that way Jan 24 13:57:28 I just think static linking is waaaaaaay more convenient and less resource hoggy then Jan 24 13:57:53 i think not, you need to change build system Jan 24 13:58:16 not the build system of the target platform :-P Jan 24 13:58:41 well yes but the build system of the application Jan 24 13:59:02 target is as simple as 'copy over the ELF' and execute -> trigger happy feelings Jan 24 13:59:28 btw skype is statically linked Jan 24 13:59:36 guess why! Jan 24 14:00:08 a shell script that unpacks the libraries to /tmp would do :) Jan 24 14:00:22 yoyoyo Jan 24 14:00:35 this is what i usually do when i want to use debian programs at school Jan 24 14:01:01 or chroot :-P Jan 24 14:01:02 a script that uses ldd to figure out the libraries that are needed just packs the libraries and the binary to a self-extracting shell script Jan 24 14:01:05 chroot needs root Jan 24 14:01:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf359a4d36bdc 10/vapi/ (ecore.vapi edje.vapi eina.vapi elm.vapi evas.vapi): elm.vapi: major update; catch up with changes up to upstream rev 45522 Jan 24 14:02:17 lindi-: THIS for one was a script you really should publish. Sounds mad useful Jan 24 14:02:36 oh, i thought it was obvious :) Jan 24 14:03:00 hmm, for some reason I am getting right ADC data from left channel Jan 24 14:03:10 everything is obvious once you came to think of it :) Jan 24 14:03:56 lindi-: there's a bug in the ADC mux (yet?) not fixed Jan 24 14:04:01 DocScrutinizer: paste.debian.net/57509/ Jan 24 14:04:09 those work Jan 24 14:04:21 but i don't understand them :) Jan 24 14:05:31 DocScrutinizer: ah? bug report? Jan 24 14:07:22 duh, no idea Jan 24 14:11:48 lindi-: something with "you need to switch left mux back and forth prior to right mux, or it will not work" Jan 24 14:12:00 DocScrutinizer: yes i am citing that bug Jan 24 14:12:15 DocScrutinizer: it's getting inverted somewhere later than that Jan 24 14:12:26 since I can hear audio with amixer -c 0 -q sset "ADC" 0 200 Jan 24 14:12:43 this means that at least at ADC the right channel is still the one that has my data Jan 24 14:16:03 interesting - just that very moment i read about the same bug in Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem :) Jan 24 14:20:05 where is MONOMIX R46(2Eh) in alsa? ;) Jan 24 14:25:30 lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/23/WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png <= capture right/left mix/muxer i guess Jan 24 14:26:06 not mux - mixer Jan 24 14:30:45 lindi-: check "[[Names for aliases in new driver. "NEW"=recommended, "new"=suggested]]" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#ALSA_Channels Jan 24 14:31:07 DocScrutinizer: are those recommendations for future kernel developers? Jan 24 14:31:41 yup. Thought larsc someday will do the alias foo in wm8753.c and relatives Jan 24 14:32:29 does there exist a replacement for the statefiles somewhere? Jan 24 14:32:47 ~statefile Jan 24 14:33:04 hmm doesn't pan out Jan 24 14:33:07 as in: no statefiles for controlling sound but scenario management by a deamon Jan 24 14:33:34 does fso still use statefiles to control audio? Jan 24 14:34:12 why console font is bigger on 2.6.32 than on 2.6.29? Jan 24 14:34:20 josch: is MONOMIX (R46) really control 66 ("Capture Right Muxer")? Jan 24 14:34:23 I gave up on this as FSO is going to do foo I never managed to undertsand the advantages of and nobody explained to me or even asked me about it Jan 24 14:34:29 josch: it seems to have four different state Jan 24 14:34:31 josch: it seems to have four different states Jan 24 14:34:49 lindi-: MONO != RIGHT Jan 24 14:35:32 DocScrutinizer: ok so it's something else? Jan 24 14:35:55 but in the diagram WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png MONOMIX R46(2Eh) points to Capture Left/Right Mixer Jan 24 14:36:50 josch: in http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/23/WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png I see no such thing Jan 24 14:37:12 lindi-: right in the center Jan 24 14:37:21 lindi-: axtually you're right Jan 24 14:37:33 at the left hand side of right/left adc Jan 24 14:37:36 josch: aha! Jan 24 14:37:42 MONOMIX is in two places Jan 24 14:38:21 lindi-: i'm curious - what are you trying to do? Jan 24 14:38:23 and it's actually the control with the bug iirc Jan 24 14:38:35 josch: using usb headset Jan 24 14:39:10 DocScrutinizer: wasnt that Capture Left/Right Mux Jan 24 14:39:15 ah Jan 24 14:39:23 said iirc Jan 24 14:39:28 not sure Jan 24 14:39:48 lindi-: usb headset? thats cool :) Jan 24 14:41:17 "chinois" french cakes & latte mach. yummy Jan 24 14:41:45 amixer -c 0 -q sset 'Capture Right Mixer' 'Analogue Mix Right' => route audio from capture right mux to right ADC and mix no extra data that that? Jan 24 14:42:15 -c 0 sounds weird :-P Jan 24 14:42:45 aaah sorry. nevermind Jan 24 14:43:03 i wonder what that 'Digital Mono Mix' option does Jan 24 14:43:14 i thought everything was still analogue at this stage Jan 24 14:43:40 digital mono mix does stereo->mono mixup on the digital domain iirc Jan 24 14:44:23 DocScrutinizer: in the lower diagram there is "Right ADC -> ... ... -> MONOMIX" Jan 24 14:44:34 DocScrutinizer: in the upper diagram there is "... -> MONOMIX -> Right ADC" Jan 24 14:44:48 DocScrutinizer: this is somewhat confusing. is monomix before or after digitalization? Jan 24 14:44:54 just going o.O WTF on that one Jan 24 14:45:13 there's both afaik Jan 24 14:46:00 both analog and digital muxes controlled by the same register? Jan 24 14:47:05 nope Jan 24 14:47:46 feel the joy parts of my genuine domain of duty :-( Jan 24 14:48:41 are the highpass-filtering and 3d effects done for digital data? Jan 24 14:49:09 please refer to wolfson site, they have a somewhat newer datasheet for WM8753 there. Maybe a few bugs like that one are ironed out in that one Jan 24 14:49:23 (hp & filter) yup Jan 24 14:50:16 lindi-: refer DATSEL R02 Jan 24 14:50:36 vs MONOMIX R46 Jan 24 14:52:27 hmm Jan 24 14:52:53 so I want to set amixer -c 0 -q sset 'Capture Right Mixer' 'Stereo' # MONOMIX 66 Jan 24 14:53:00 so that the channels are kept separate Jan 24 14:57:54 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there'll be that funky html&js based interface to mixer one glorious day Jan 24 14:59:21 what for? Jan 24 14:59:26 ok i think i have sorted out everything but the highpass filter and 3d stuff Jan 24 14:59:36 now the latency needs to be investigated Jan 24 14:59:56 lindi-: hp & 3d are easy shit Jan 24 15:00:05 nobrainers Jan 24 15:00:28 and then of course the ALC stuff Jan 24 15:00:50 that's way more tricky Jan 24 15:02:51 iirc there's some info about setting up ALC correctly for voice, somewhere in WM8753 ds or maybe it's been even a dedicated whitepaper at wolfson site Jan 24 15:02:53 DocScrutinizer: how can i make sox read from wolfson and output to usb? it uses the environment variable AUDIODEV for specifying the audio device and of course that variable can't have two different values... Jan 24 15:03:15 ummm Jan 24 15:05:29 arecord -B 1000 -D hw:0,0 -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 - | aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 2 -B 1000 Jan 24 15:05:33 gives quite low latency Jan 24 15:05:44 if I try to use "-D rightADC" I get distortion with -B 1000 Jan 24 15:09:23 arecord -B 64000 -D rightADC -t raw -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 - | aplay -t raw -D usb -r 48000 -f S16_LE -c 1 -B 64000 Jan 24 15:09:27 works better Jan 24 15:10:16 i probably want to get rid of this insane samplerate though Jan 24 15:11:29 not sure about insanity of that. as long as it's the only samplerate supported by both devices it might be a good choice Jan 24 15:13:08 consider -B65535 though Jan 24 15:13:16 or 65536 Jan 24 15:14:53 oops -B is buffer-TIME Jan 24 15:15:00 in uS Jan 24 15:15:34 now the output side Jan 24 15:18:01 trying to record from usb causes kernel to print "[ 5693.355000] frame 0 active: -18" Jan 24 15:19:04 coool Jan 24 15:19:50 i guess it just slowed down Jan 24 15:20:53 at least now I se why you get distortion with -B 1000. A buffer of 1 millisecond split into 4 periods of 0.25ms each is too much IRQ load for the poor CPU Jan 24 15:22:52 I'd go for -B 150000 Jan 24 15:23:36 should cause a system imanent delay of no more than 75ms Jan 24 15:24:18 for ecord, another few ms for playback Jan 24 15:26:21 (sox) I talked without thoroughly thinking and checking in advance. Sorry Jan 24 15:27:16 gstreamer might be the tool of choice for you (if you're unhappy with arecord|aplay) Jan 24 15:58:01 DocScrutinizer: do you know any good books about analog signal foo? Jan 24 15:58:15 nope Jan 24 15:58:17 sorry Jan 24 15:59:46 analog signal foo as in "fft" is terra incognita to me. All other aspects of analog are my daily life since 45 years so I don't care about books that much Jan 24 16:03:01 the last book I remember is something like "A. Richter: 224 Transistorschaltungen". or maybe a small purple one (landscape format) "Minispione III" Jan 24 16:12:54 hi there Jan 24 17:13:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rd6181f4caa49 10/ (examples/elementary/genlist.vala vapi/elm.vapi): Jan 24 17:13:56 freesmartphone.org: vapi: genlist item class functions have no target; hence only static delegates work Jan 24 17:13:56 freesmartphone.org: examples: repair genlist Jan 24 17:31:19 hi everybody Jan 24 17:32:22 knows someone how to recompile qtmoko V16 kernel? Jan 24 17:33:17 where can i dowload source kernel? Jan 24 17:33:35 git.openmoko.org Jan 24 17:33:37 -> kernel Jan 24 17:33:46 no idea though which exact revision qtmoko v16 ships Jan 24 17:33:50 you have to find that out Jan 24 17:35:38 what's the revision qtmoko ships? somethings like 26.6.29 Jan 24 17:38:04 my aim is to add some module (USB_USS720), so by compiling the kernel with some option i can do it, isn't? Jan 24 17:39:41 I just love italy! great minestrone soup :P (I'm not in italy, I'm just eating minestrone) Jan 24 17:40:47 sounds doable, ya Jan 24 17:40:49 TAsn: :) Jan 24 17:41:02 just recently i eat the best 'pesto' in my life Jan 24 17:41:23 done by the kitchen chef of a five star restaurant Jan 24 17:41:27 with self made noodles Jan 24 17:41:28 mmh Jan 24 17:41:30 * mickeyl hungry Jan 24 17:41:39 yummy (self made noodles with pesto) Jan 24 17:41:46 sounds like heaven. Jan 24 17:41:54 indeed Jan 24 17:42:11 it was so much better than the ones we usually buy Jan 24 17:42:15 handmade makes such a difference Jan 24 17:42:27 yeah Jan 24 17:42:30 hi there, mind if I ask an on-topic question? Jan 24 17:42:44 *cough* ;) Jan 24 17:42:45 does anyone here know the internals of android? Jan 24 17:42:46 Raazeer, :P Jan 24 17:42:57 hmm, internals probably not Jan 24 17:43:00 but ask right away Jan 24 17:43:34 I'm looking for how android manages and configures pppd, because I want to tackle the O2 Germany internet problem. Jan 24 17:43:46 * DocScrutinizer wondes if THAT's really on topic XP Jan 24 17:44:01 hmm, i'm afraid that's over my depth Jan 24 17:44:05 DocScrutinizer, more than pasta :P Jan 24 17:44:05 well it DOES say all firmware images... Jan 24 17:44:07 you might want to take a look at the RIL Jan 24 17:44:23 source of that is online Jan 24 17:44:38 Raazeer: O2 internet problem??? Jan 24 17:44:39 hmm... that has to do a lot with telephony right? Jan 24 17:44:54 DocScrutinizer: yeeeees....? Jan 24 17:45:11 yes, RIL is their name for the telephony middleware Jan 24 17:45:13 mind to elaborate? Jan 24 17:45:52 so far I've found that _everyone_ trying to access o2 mobile internet via android had problems for which a solution is yet pending... Jan 24 17:45:57 not seen any O2 specific problem that I noticed Jan 24 17:46:25 with SHR / FSO though Jan 24 17:46:34 ok, then care to tell me how I can get a gprs connection up on fr android 1.5? Jan 24 17:46:52 never looked into android Jan 24 17:47:14 try #android, i'm afraid most people here are working with GNU/Linux userlands Jan 24 17:47:22 would love to help, but i'm not deep enough into android yet Jan 24 17:47:26 SOMEWHERE deep inside android the pppd config has some hickey, which I intend to discover. Jan 24 17:47:44 Raazeer: APN: pinternet.interkom.de Jan 24 17:47:47 iirc Jan 24 17:47:59 that's for prepaid Jan 24 17:48:03 but I might try. Jan 24 17:48:10 just for grins and giggles. Jan 24 17:48:24 that's for prepaid, right Jan 24 17:48:41 and works flawlessly (well mostly) Jan 24 17:49:12 well, i don't have prepaid. Jan 24 17:49:38 if you got no prepaid dataplan then it will charge a fortune/minute on your minutes Jan 24 17:50:02 don't worry, I have a data pack. Jan 24 17:50:05 or fail to work Jan 24 17:52:41 so far the last has happened. Jan 24 17:53:02 Raazeer: I got Loop INTERNET-L which is 25EUR/month. I charge my account by 30EUR each month which will give me a 30EUR "bonuskonto" on top of the 25EUR for internet-l and the remaining 5 bucks on normal minutes Jan 24 17:54:20 I've got the m pack, but I didn't even know o2 offered internet packs on top of loop Jan 24 17:55:11 they don't do much advertising on it, but it works flawlessly Jan 24 17:56:41 ok... Jan 24 18:41:34 lindi-: i think you tried recording from a second DAI which is obviously not supported since it's not connected to the SoC. Of course it shouldn't oops in any way. Jan 24 18:41:51 PaulFer``: yes i realized my error the second i got the oops :) Jan 24 18:42:27 lindi-: but it's of course good to have all known bugs listed anyway, so thanks again for an outstanding report :) Jan 24 19:04:16 PaulFer``: i hope that they apply to .32 too :) Jan 24 19:04:59 lindi-: there'll be a fun time when we all switch to .32 and start checking all the tickets against it. Jan 24 19:10:43 i guess they all be same Jan 24 19:33:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r246736ad18fe 10/ (9 files in 3 dirs): remove dual-thread-based architecture; now that we have mainloop integration, we can simplify this a lot Jan 24 19:47:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf1abee954c2e 10/eflvala/ (Makefile.am eflvala-1.0.deps): add eflvala-1.0.deps file Jan 24 20:52:00 bad bad beef? chrome[31429]: segfault at bbadbeef ip 0000000000d821a2 sp 00007fff05a812a8 error 6 in chrome[400000+1f56000] Jan 24 20:56:25 He's a ba-a-ad boy Jan 24 20:56:41 Rhymes with ga-a-ay Jan 24 21:20:36 thibg feels venturous it seems Jan 24 21:47:50 hi, in QtMoko we have problem that sometimes incoming messages are not reveived Jan 24 21:48:21 is seems that someting makes Qtopie stop receiving SMS messages until the modem is restarted Jan 24 21:48:48 anybody could help us with this problem? or any ideas? Jan 24 21:49:32 it's currently only issue that prevents QtMoko from being good phone Jan 24 21:50:42 but i wasnt able to find what's causing it for more then 6 months Jan 24 21:50:44 you can access to the modem when it is blocked ? Jan 24 21:50:50 yes Jan 24 21:50:51 and you can reproduce ? Jan 24 21:51:02 i can make phone calls and everything else works Jan 24 21:51:20 a log of the datasent and received could also help, i guess Jan 24 21:51:21 reproducing is not easy... Jan 24 21:52:31 i know that the SMS wakes phone from suspend, but it's never displayed in Qtopia phone app Jan 24 21:54:22 it always works when i try to reproduce it :( Jan 24 21:54:51 race condition ? Jan 24 21:54:56 but it's really annoying - after few days your phone stop receiving SMS and you dont notice it Jan 24 21:55:14 it only occurs when the phone is asleep ? Jan 24 21:55:39 not sure Jan 24 21:55:52 i think it's somehow related to SMS size Jan 24 21:56:09 ie ? Jan 24 21:56:11 people reported that long SMS triggers it Jan 24 21:56:36 e.g. SMS splitted into 2 parts Jan 24 21:58:01 but it must be triggered also by something else Jan 24 21:58:05 but that's not systematic ? Jan 24 21:58:12 no Jan 24 21:58:32 i can send 20 long SMS from internet to my phone and it works :( Jan 24 21:58:51 just tried it Jan 24 21:59:05 maybe the enconding is at fault ? Jan 24 21:59:11 i am quite lost at what to look at Jan 24 21:59:36 good point - it can be Jan 24 22:00:44 maybe that's provider related ? Jan 24 22:01:43 but it seems all users are affceted Jan 24 22:02:25 i dont hit this bug often - just once in, but that because i dont use SMS Jan 24 22:03:19 you should find someone with a unlimited sms plan and make him test :) Jan 24 22:04:56 yes, i think i will borrow my mother-in-law's SIM next weekend :) Jan 24 22:05:10 both parts of sms are missed? Jan 24 22:05:17 yes Jan 24 22:05:31 and all next messsages too Jan 24 22:05:50 it stops receiving SMS messages until reboot Jan 24 22:06:04 i think you should log all communication with modem in a file, with timestamp, this will help to compare if something changed Jan 24 22:06:54 check also the firmware version of modem, maybe that can help Jan 24 22:08:07 i have latest FW Jan 24 22:08:27 i can reproduce is when i send long SMS to my phone number Jan 24 22:08:37 but i am not sure if it's the same bug Jan 24 22:09:01 i looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m533614a7 Jan 24 22:17:31 hmm i think i have a plan now Jan 24 22:18:19 good ideas often came just after you describe something to others :) Jan 24 22:20:47 yup :) Jan 24 22:21:06 i guess when new message arrives them modem should send some notification Jan 24 22:21:58 i'll catch it and incease some counter Jan 24 22:23:02 and if after e.g. 30 seconds no new SMS arrives i know i have just hit the bug Jan 24 22:38:17 PaulFertser: any news fella? Jan 24 22:38:24 DocScrutinizer51: nope Jan 24 22:38:27 Sorry Jan 24 22:38:37 why sorry? Jan 24 22:38:47 no news are GOOD news :) Jan 24 22:41:30 'No newis is bettir than evill newis.' www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/45/messages/374.html Jan 24 22:42:36 I wonder if I should setup a imap(!) account for joergATom on N900. roundabout 60..100k msgs in there :-O Jan 24 22:44:12 16008 unread :-P Jan 24 22:44:34 DocScrutinizer51: everybody says the MUA that comes preinstalled on n900 is utter unusable crap. Jan 24 22:45:05 100T% ack Jan 24 22:46:05 still I guess the SoC will emit magic blue smoke when it starts syncing with imap.om.org Jan 24 22:47:12 well it,s close to end of month. maybe time to use up my 5GB dataplan Jan 24 22:49:53 my provided tokenbucketted me yesterday to 80Kb/s for using more than 200Gb in my 'unlimited' plan :( Jan 24 22:50:17 LOL Jan 24 22:50:21 s/provided/provider/ Jan 24 22:50:23 gena2x meant: my provider tokenbucketted me yesterday to 80Kb/s for using more than 200Gb in my 'unlimited' plan :( Jan 24 22:50:39 I suppose that's not been GPRS then? :-P Jan 24 22:51:32 yes, they offer me to become 'active network member' and 'offer >1Tb of "goods" on DC++' to remove limit. Jan 24 22:51:43 of course not GPRS Jan 24 22:52:10 funny people. Jan 24 22:53:25 btw, DC++ is some p2p tool used internally in network. Jan 24 22:53:27 DC++?? Jan 24 22:53:36 duh Jan 24 22:53:36 :) Jan 24 22:56:41 ln -s /dev/random ~apache/public/megaporn.dvi Jan 24 22:57:45 MetaPost port anybody? Jan 24 22:57:50 s/port/porn/ Jan 24 22:57:50 PaulFer`` meant: MetaPost porn anybody? Jan 24 22:59:19 *TeX != porn Jan 24 23:01:56 well if they offer you a 1G symmetric FDDI on top of that limit removal... Jan 24 23:02:04 for freeeeee Jan 24 23:02:38 heh Jan 24 23:02:56 in fact i happy with my 12Mbit/s Jan 24 23:07:37 I'm happy with 1Mbit, just because year ago I had 0.25Mbit Jan 25 00:18:44 mrmoku|away: TAsn: phonefsod keeps dying after upgrade **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 25 02:59:56 2010