**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 25 02:59:57 2010 Jan 25 04:52:47 Hi, on SHR platform, mdbus utility is slow and takes few seconds 4 to 5 to get processed, is there any other utility to use dbus system messages ? Jan 25 04:53:43 dbus-send Jan 25 04:53:52 dbus-monitor Jan 25 04:56:17 ok Jan 25 05:19:50 @DocScrutinizer: hi, i have the below cmd mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/RTC/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.GetCurrentTime Jan 25 05:20:06 @DocScrutinizer : to get current rtc time Jan 25 05:20:26 @DocScrutinizer : will it possible to get the same using dbus-send utility ? Jan 25 05:20:56 basically yes Jan 25 05:21:32 but I'm not sure how to convert the syntax correctly Jan 25 05:23:44 satish: you probably need some options like --print-replay, and --call-method or similar (not sure about, as I mentioned above) Jan 25 06:39:57 satish_: manually using bluetooth wikipage has some examples of dbus-send Jan 25 06:40:33 PaulFer`` : hi, i'm looking at those Jan 25 06:57:00 Paulfer`` : any idea about mdbus2 ? Jan 25 06:58:30 DocScrutinizer51 : Hi Jan 25 07:01:33 satish: it's not packaged yet anyway? Have never used it, so no idea. Jan 25 07:01:57 PaulFer`` : what is vala ? Jan 25 07:02:13 satish: come on, you know wikipedia :) Jan 25 07:02:43 PaulFer`` : :-) Jan 25 07:03:49 PaulFer`` : is it possible to send a message to dbus system with priority level ? Jan 25 07:08:04 satish: priority levels? I'm not sure there're any in dbus specs. Jan 25 08:50:38 moin Jan 25 09:03:49 JaMa: moin Jan 25 09:03:51 boss back? Jan 25 09:04:27 yup and work not finished :/ Jan 25 09:04:36 ohhh :| Jan 25 09:05:12 at least there was worse problem with something else.. so this deadline wasn't discussed yet.. but I have to finish it asap.. Jan 25 09:07:38 how to skip dbus system messaging mechanism to set RTC wakeup time ? Jan 25 09:08:17 mdbus and dbus-send utilities are taking much time in terms of 4 to 5 seconds Jan 25 09:08:32 any clue ? Jan 25 09:09:29 mrmoku: after upgrade phonefsod keeps diying =( Jan 25 09:09:33 have you tried mdbus2? Jan 25 09:09:44 mrmoku: so phone cannot register to network Jan 25 09:10:09 mdbus2 is not there in my freerunner phone with SHR testing image . Jan 25 09:10:36 how to install this mdbus2 utility ? Jan 25 09:11:40 mrmoku: http://dpaste.com/150107/ <- frameworkd http://dpaste.com/150108/ <- phonefsod Jan 25 09:12:08 satish: search log.. there was link for .opk and probably recipe too Jan 25 09:13:31 satish: ./openmoko-cdevel-2010-01-20:18:13 < Heinervdm> Anyone want to try mdbus2? http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/mickeydbus2_2.0.0+gitr1+70b87d6e8b04f0bf0078702f6467e037eb4fdb28-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Jan 25 09:13:56 JaMa: recipe is in oe.dev Jan 25 09:15:11 Heinervdm: I know but not in shr-t or built by task-shr-feed IIRC Jan 25 09:15:33 ok :) Jan 25 09:15:35 mrmoku: also http://dpaste.com/150110/ phoneiud.log Jan 25 09:16:02 mrmoku: TAsn: any ideas? Jan 25 09:17:13 satish: i would be very surprised if dbus-send would take longer than half a second Jan 25 09:18:58 * mickeyl just missed the 10:07 bus to the office Jan 25 09:19:06 too much snow to drive on my own Jan 25 09:19:08 *sigh* Jan 25 09:19:11 next one 11:07 Jan 25 09:19:16 ~lart winter Jan 25 09:19:16 * apt takes out winter with the trash Jan 25 09:21:04 if it can mame you happy, its -25C here) Jan 25 09:21:15 *make* Jan 25 09:21:52 hmm Jan 25 09:21:54 yeah, somewhat Jan 25 09:21:58 that's worse than here Jan 25 09:25:59 JaMa : mdbus is fast enough Jan 25 09:26:09 I m not even sure is it safe using neo at this t Jan 25 09:26:14 JaMa : but RTC get current time is not yet implemented Jan 25 09:27:14 JaMa : root@om-gta02 / $ mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced Jan 25 09:28:39 ** ERROR **: main.vala:334: calling methods not yet implemented Jan 25 09:29:04 for org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.GetCurrentTime Jan 25 09:29:34 max_posedon1: here about -25C Jan 25 09:29:40 and neo works fine Jan 25 09:30:08 satish: might be a good idea to create some command line utilities to issue (fixed) dbus commands. I could start with controlling RTC. Add me a ticket and I'll do it this week Jan 25 09:30:57 that's will be gr8 to have , i believe Jan 25 09:31:00 yeah Jan 25 09:31:00 like Jan 25 09:31:05 fso rtc set +10 Jan 25 09:31:07 or Jan 25 09:31:12 fso vibrator vibrate 100 Jan 25 09:31:45 i want to set rtc wake up time to relative than absolute Jan 25 09:32:22 yep Jan 25 09:32:25 that's what the +10 would be for Jan 25 09:33:25 ok.. Jan 25 09:33:58 alexxy, I know that some smatphones screens becoming broken Jan 25 09:34:10 but not neos one Jan 25 09:34:11 =) Jan 25 09:35:08 -15 -> +15 is big delta for any thing) We maybe haven't enough statistics) Jan 25 09:58:44 alexxy: sorry, no time right now :| has to wait until afternoon Jan 25 10:35:56 mickey|snowWalk : looks mdbus2 is not implemented most of the methods Jan 25 10:36:37 mickey|snowWalk : with dbus-send command i'm getting timeout before reply received error Jan 25 10:38:10 root@om-gta02 / $ mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.GetPower Jan 25 10:42:04 root@om-gta02 / $ dbus-send --system --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 --type=method_call --dest='org.freesmartphone.odeviced' org/freesmartphone/Device/RTC Jan 25 10:42:32 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection was disconnected before a reply was received Jan 25 10:42:45 any one has idea how to get it work ? Jan 25 10:43:16 --reply-timeout=2000 i have increased to 10000 (10 sec) but no use Jan 25 10:43:23 same error message Jan 25 10:52:57 satish: my mdbus2 version isn't the latest Jan 25 10:53:16 there were a commit after that Jan 25 10:53:30 s/were/was/ Jan 25 10:53:31 Heinervdm meant: there was a commit after that Jan 25 10:54:07 Heinervdm : where can i get that mickey dbus 2 latest Jan 25 10:54:34 satish: you can build it Jan 25 10:54:36 http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/ Jan 25 10:54:48 recipe is in the shr tree Jan 25 10:56:07 satish: but it's only that commit missing: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commit;h=00f353c4abf10539e2f643650846b5726e22bb74 Jan 25 10:59:36 Heinervdm : i didn't get you, you feel it is better to build local and install ? Jan 25 10:59:59 satish: i don Jan 25 11:00:08 't think it will change anything Jan 25 11:00:09 ok Jan 25 11:00:27 because that commit changed not much Jan 25 11:00:34 ok Jan 25 11:01:27 did anyone implemented mdbus2 for invoking RTC get current time ? Jan 25 11:01:53 implement mdbus2? Jan 25 11:02:32 i mean calling method not implemented in mdbus2 Jan 25 11:02:46 i'm getting error Jan 25 11:09:09 dbus-send says time out before reply recieve Jan 25 11:09:13 any idea ? Jan 25 11:09:23 increased timeout to 10000 msecs Jan 25 11:09:32 still same error Jan 25 11:23:20 satish: use mdbus, mdbus2 is not finished yet Jan 25 11:24:22 dos1 : mdbus is working but it is taking much time 4 to 5 seconds Jan 25 11:31:28 anyone knows how to capture dbus-send return value in shell script ? Jan 25 14:30:03 yep, mdbus will always be very slow Jan 25 14:36:41 spaetz: can you delete accounts from trac? Jan 25 14:53:58 max_posedon1: neo ts tested to -57°C (me at TPE, with icespray ;-P) Jan 25 14:59:04 hmm python 2.6.4 is out and maybe it could fix our segfault in shr-settings... Jan 25 15:00:05 DocScrutinizer: if you want to get your neo colder, i can easily give you 77 K, possible would also 4.2 K… Jan 25 15:00:35 4.2K is expensive however :) Jan 25 15:01:10 satish's dus-send line looked strange to me (actually it looked strange unstrange). Usual calls to mdbus have this friggin double path one time foo/bar then foo.bar. satish's example doesn't have Jan 25 15:01:20 not this much, we have a few hundred liters of liquid helium here Jan 25 15:01:25 no thanks Azog Jan 25 15:01:54 interesting things probably happen to the silicon at 4.2K :o Jan 25 15:02:17 still fluid He would be rather interesting for me. never got this superfluid thing Jan 25 15:02:53 suprafluid Jan 25 15:03:38 suprafluid He is not so easy to create, you need just the right pressure, cooling power and so on Jan 25 15:05:21 Azog: are you hanging around at LHC? Jan 25 15:05:47 Weiss: just in case you don't know... I get WSOD _without_ suspend just when blanking the display Jan 25 15:05:51 DocScrutinizer: no, just some physics department in a university Jan 25 15:06:27 university with liquid He, a few 100L o.O Jan 25 15:07:11 mrmoku: shiiiiiit Jan 25 15:07:12 we have a liquifying station Jan 25 15:08:51 mrmoku: 2.6.29 or something else? Jan 25 15:09:03 well, even pressurized He isn't exactly cheap. So you probably didn't do that 100s L out of incident Jan 25 15:09:28 Weiss: 2.6.29 is fine... with 2.6.32 Jan 25 15:09:30 + kms Jan 25 15:10:02 the guideline I was told is that liquid N costs about as much as milk, He about as much as brandy Jan 25 15:10:26 mrmoku: ok... large-scale assult on 2.6.32 WSoD and Xrandr problems will commence once my second FR arrived Jan 25 15:10:34 s/ved/ves/ Jan 25 15:10:36 Weiss meant: mrmoku: ok... large-scale assult on 2.6.32 WSoD and Xrandr problems will commence once my second FR arrives Jan 25 15:11:12 DocScrutinizer: my magnet (15 T) runs on He-temperature Jan 25 15:11:14 Weiss: great :) Jan 25 15:11:33 Azog: aaaah that explains some things Jan 25 15:12:16 mrmoku: I was doing some Mesa stuff yesterday.. seem to have got some OpenGL matrices uploaded to Glamo without major trauma Jan 25 15:13:18 Weiss: I'm very much looking forward to the day when we all can switch to 2.6.32 :) Jan 25 15:13:58 hmm python-2.6.4 compiled fine and all old patches apply cleanly Jan 25 15:14:16 mrmoku: am I right in thinking that all remaining 2.6.32 problems are my fault? (i.e. non-KMS works fine) Jan 25 15:14:46 Weiss: no idea what else... playing with it is no fun when you need your phone ;) Jan 25 15:15:05 but the FSO part should be unproblematic Jan 25 15:15:14 yeah.. hence my getting a second FR :) Jan 25 15:15:14 read something about wifi problems... no idea though Jan 25 15:15:18 :) Jan 25 15:16:42 Weiss: well, i'm kind of waiting for larsc to revamp the GPS and GSM power control Jan 25 15:16:49 so you're only 1/2 blocking it ;) Jan 25 15:18:07 hehe Jan 25 15:18:18 at least with my stuff there's always the option to just switch off KMS, though Jan 25 15:25:54 Weiss: how long will it take till develdev arrives? Jan 25 15:26:39 GD get their fixed A7s from the workshop Friday this week ish, so early next weke Jan 25 15:26:56 hopefully :) Jan 25 15:27:27 Weiss: good. So I don't need to ship a lend out to you Jan 25 15:27:46 hehe, nope :) Jan 25 15:30:15 ~seen onen|openBmap Jan 25 15:30:17 onen|openbmap was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 11d 19h 57m 12s ago, saying: 'misc: your link works for me too. firefox...'. Jan 25 15:31:44 duhhhhh.... Jan 25 15:31:46 * mrmoku stup Jan 25 15:31:47 id Jan 25 15:33:12 ~seen slaxxer Jan 25 15:33:14 slaxxer is currently on #openmoko (1d 11h 48m 53s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 11h 30m 4s, last said: 'i have broken the plug on the internel connection while i was replacing the screen'. Jan 25 16:16:20 * JaMa found work-arround for shr-settings segfault.. but cannot find proper fix.. is there someone with pyx knowledge? Jan 25 16:17:38 heh... was just looking at the strace right now :) Jan 25 16:17:43 what is the workaround? Jan 25 16:18:06 mrmoku: you can look at my gdb output instead :) Jan 25 16:19:18 mrmoku: see this file http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-evas/evas/evas.c_evas_object_smart.pxi Jan 25 16:19:31 this line "_smart_classes = list()" Jan 25 16:20:31 is in .c like this http://pastebin.ca/1765294 Jan 25 16:21:15 and Py_DECREF(__pyx_v_4evas_6c_evas__smart_classes); creates SEGFAULT because that param is probably NULL ATM Jan 25 16:21:27 heh fun Jan 25 16:21:59 if I remove _smart_classes usage from that .pxi it starts ok :) Jan 25 16:23:13 but I don't understand why it calls Py_DECREF and why it fails for "undefined" variables (as it's probably quite common case) Jan 25 16:23:36 we need somebody with pyx foo then... Jan 25 16:23:42 dos1: how is your pyx foo? Jan 25 16:24:09 mrmoku: none, except doing single bindings like python-phoneutils Jan 25 16:24:15 I've checked svn logs fro this file and nothing changed for ages Jan 25 16:24:53 so maybe that c code is generated wrong (and Py_DECREF shouldn't be there) or Py_DECREF is failing now because of some other reason Jan 25 16:25:51 mickey|office: do you have advanced pyx foo? :) Jan 25 16:27:17 SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r1e74215e3595 10/src/phonefsod-fso.c: Revert "phonefsod-fso: we must free all dbus errors (and show at least some message)" Jan 25 16:27:33 mrmoku: unfortunately not, sorr Jan 25 16:27:34 y Jan 25 16:27:36 SHR on my FR still broken... so... i'll develop opimd on pc :P Jan 25 16:27:51 dos1: what part is broken? Jan 25 16:27:54 * dos1 would like to implement moving and copying entries between backends Jan 25 16:28:05 mrmoku: it doesn't boot, stucks somewhere at init Jan 25 16:28:12 heh Jan 25 16:28:18 dos1: u-a foo? Jan 25 16:28:24 hmm, interesting Jan 25 16:28:25 even shr-splash isn't displayed Jan 25 16:28:29 that's the same behaviour for my builds Jan 25 16:28:43 * mickey|office suspects eglibc / thumb / armv4t Jan 25 16:29:05 mickey|office: have you removed u-a-cworth on your buildhost? Jan 25 16:29:36 mickey|office: this build worked, but i upgraded after quite long time (about month), opkg failed and i tried to rescue it manually from chroot... and now it does not boot :D Jan 25 16:29:36 JaMa: i always build from scratch Jan 25 16:29:47 so that should work, right? Jan 25 16:29:52 mickey|office: right Jan 25 16:29:58 JaMa: i saw ipkg/alternatives and opkg/alternatives merge Jan 25 16:30:04 JaMa: should i do something more? Jan 25 16:30:11 i'm going to plug my debug board in and see whether serial port shows more info Jan 25 16:30:19 mickey|office: I rebuild from scratch about week ago and it works for me.. Jan 25 16:30:38 JaMa: oe.dev or shr/merge only? Jan 25 16:30:50 dos1: check init link and/or reinstall busybox Jan 25 16:31:03 mickey|office: shr/unstable branch Jan 25 16:31:07 JaMa: ok, but later. now opimd :) Jan 25 16:31:15 JaMa: ok, i'll give that a whirl Jan 25 16:31:17 mickey|office: shr/merge is ignored now.. Jan 25 16:31:26 as i haven't done anything in opimd for ages Jan 25 16:31:29 i see. shall we still keep it though? Jan 25 16:32:00 mickey|office: keep for history only.. but everything is already merged to oe.dev Jan 25 16:32:09 mickey|office: and shr/unstable is just oe.dev + SRCPV nothing more Jan 25 16:33:26 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rbbea607ab2c9 10framework/tools/cli-framework: Merge branch 'master' of git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Jan 25 16:34:55 mrmoku: I'll ask about that pyx stuff on #e Jan 25 16:38:48 ~logs Jan 25 16:38:50 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Jan 25 16:40:30 !logs Jan 25 16:40:31 Channel logs for #openmoko-cdevel are archived at: Jan 25 16:40:32 ~log Jan 25 16:40:32 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko-cdevel Jan 25 16:40:34 log is probably http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Jan 25 16:40:34 Live-logs are available at Jan 25 16:40:35 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog Jan 25 16:40:37 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Jan 25 16:42:36 * DocScrutinizer suggests bookmarks to dos1 Jan 25 16:43:05 well, there is one log URL in topic Jan 25 16:43:30 but i found it not really usable ;P Jan 25 16:43:34 (well, not usable at all) Jan 25 16:43:55 why? Jan 25 16:44:36 DocScrutinizer: visit it :P Jan 25 16:44:47 * DocScrutinizer sighs Jan 25 16:45:05 Anyone knows when a new kernel uImage for -testing will be available? For now, we can't install -testing as there is a version mismatch :( Also, SHR-U is segfaulting badly so no go either :-/ Jan 25 16:46:44 dos1: pester coredump about it please Jan 25 16:46:59 ~seen coredump Jan 25 16:47:03 coredump was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 113d 4h 41m 49s ago, saying: 'or join #linuxtogo'. Jan 25 16:47:15 sheeesh Jan 25 16:48:22 beniwtv, try it out Jan 25 16:48:42 spaetz: ? Jan 25 16:48:42 ii just recompiled the shr-t kernel and image Jan 25 16:48:47 ah, ok Jan 25 16:49:11 let me know if it works Jan 25 16:49:31 image generation might still be ongoing though... Jan 25 16:50:20 spaetz: Will it be on the server? Or is it already? Seems to me files haven't changed yet... Jan 25 16:58:38 whatever has changed is on the server Jan 25 17:00:37 spaetz: I'm in the shr-testing dir, uImage still seems to be from 15th Jan Jan 25 17:19:45 sorry, i've rebuild it and syncedd it Jan 25 17:20:13 no idea how to fix it any further Jan 25 17:21:10 rebuilding the image doesn't seem to change the image Jan 25 17:22:52 alexxy, sorry, no idea and no time to check Jan 25 17:23:01 I was at work till now Jan 25 17:23:04 and I'm off in a moment Jan 25 17:23:14 spaetz: you have to bump kernel PR or just rebuild the kernel Jan 25 17:23:54 but rebuilding won't fix the issue for people that have already upgraded the kernel Jan 25 17:24:05 i did cleean and rebuild the kernel too Jan 25 17:24:12 hmm Jan 25 17:24:28 i have no clue what has happened theere Jan 25 17:24:46 Heinervdm: Well some of us haven't even be able to install it yet :) Jan 25 17:24:50 but the kernel file is from 15.01 Jan 25 17:25:33 i've cleaned and rrebuild... Jan 25 17:25:47 grrr Jan 25 17:25:51 beniwtv: can you try to flash the new image with the kernel form 15.01? Jan 25 17:26:25 Heinervdm: Yes, doing it as we speak Jan 25 17:26:32 ok Jan 25 17:48:06 excuse me, how i can get ssh working? Jan 25 17:48:48 with latest testing? Jan 25 17:50:22 pbaxter: shr ? Jan 25 17:52:21 pbaxter: you need to set non-empty password Jan 25 17:53:11 misc: yes shr Jan 25 17:53:24 JaMa: i've set a password but my pc doesn't find the device Jan 25 17:53:32 with "dmesg" command i cannot link pc to FR Jan 25 17:54:20 pbaxter: lsusb show it ? Jan 25 17:56:21 misc: wait i give command Jan 25 17:56:37 misc: Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0951:1606 Kingston Technology Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Jan 25 17:58:05 misc have you read? Jan 25 17:58:20 pbaxter: yes, but without Cr, it is quite unreadable Jan 25 17:58:45 depmod :) Jan 25 17:58:50 pbaxter: and your FR doesn't seems to be her Jan 25 17:59:41 spaetz: did you decided to change kernel for shr-testing? Jan 25 18:00:03 spaetz: i mean debug options changes :) Jan 25 18:00:32 misc: how can i try? Jan 25 18:00:39 with debian i had internet Jan 25 18:00:42 and also with om2009 Jan 25 18:00:58 pbaxter: do you have g_ether loaded on neo? Jan 25 18:01:00 Heinervdm, spaetz: Still the same mismatch issue with the newly downloaded files. Still, the images seem to be from the same date... Jan 25 18:01:04 you should have usb connection with any distibution Jan 25 18:01:25 but with shr 15 and 25 version i don't connect to usb Jan 25 18:01:33 ok, almost :) Jan 25 18:01:42 beniwtv: ther is an image from 25.01. Jan 25 18:02:07 Heinervdm: That's what I downloaded. Jan 25 18:02:20 two possible reasons: 1. you modules (in rootfs image) do not match you kernel Jan 25 18:02:37 lite-om-gta02.jffs2 from 25-Jan-2010 15:42 69M Jan 25 18:02:38 2. depmod were not run Jan 25 18:03:13 beniwtv: what's the md5 of that image? Jan 25 18:03:47 I get edc2d23b2ed190dc4a85590c604e962c Jan 25 18:04:10 beniwtv: that's ok Jan 25 18:04:43 Heinervdm: And I have the kernel from 15.01 Jan 25 18:04:52 spaetz: how do you sync the files on buildhost? Jan 25 18:05:07 seems to be that one is preemt and the other not Jan 25 18:05:19 (or the modules not, dunno) Jan 25 18:05:32 spaetz: i think you sync wont override existing files Jan 25 18:05:39 you may check (2) by extracting your image and check for /lib/modules/2.6.29-GTA02_none-mokodev/ for files like modules.dep Jan 25 18:06:01 spaetz: but kernel file name hasn't changend, so it's not synced Jan 25 18:06:53 Heinervdm: it's just rsync.. so it overwrites existing files in target Jan 25 18:06:54 ops. instead of 2.6.29-GTA02_none-mokodev in my example Jan 25 18:07:15 JaMa: it doesn't work to me Jan 25 18:07:20 i don't know what to do Jan 25 18:07:28 JaMa: but why has the newly build kernel the date from 10 days ago? Jan 25 18:09:19 spaetz: perhaps you have to remove the kernel manually after cleaning kernel to regenerate that file Jan 25 18:10:04 Heinervdm, spaetz, because it wasn't rebuilt :) ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'linux-openmoko-devel-shr' Jan 25 18:10:17 spaetz: should I do it? Jan 25 18:10:22 that could be the cause :D Jan 25 18:11:30 and PR bump should be done too as you said before.. to force reinstall on users rootfs Jan 25 18:12:22 pbaxter: I asked you if you have that module.. Jan 25 18:12:33 how can i check if i have that module Jan 25 18:12:55 lsmod | grep ether Jan 25 18:16:27 JaMa: on moko? Jan 25 18:16:43 pbaxter: yes Jan 25 18:17:35 JaMa: i don't have it Jan 25 18:17:45 how can i install it on moko without internet? Jan 25 18:17:53 pbaxter: what does modprobe g_ether says? Jan 25 18:17:56 say? Jan 25 18:18:41 "invalid module format" Jan 25 18:18:50 try with -f Jan 25 18:19:38 FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib...../g_ether.ko): Invalid module format Jan 25 18:20:04 mhhh Jan 25 18:20:14 misc: to me? Jan 25 18:20:17 pbaxter: do you have older kernel in /boot? Jan 25 18:20:38 pbaxter: well, that's wierd, yes Jan 25 18:20:56 JaMa: don't know Jan 25 18:20:58 easiest way, if you do not want wait for rebuild - just use any other kernel. Jan 25 18:20:59 misc: i know... Jan 25 18:21:11 gena2x: which kernel? Jan 25 18:21:18 gena2x: can you give me a kernel to flash? Jan 25 18:21:56 pbaxter: you can use any kernel from shr-u as long as you also download/unpack modules*tgz and run depmod -a Jan 25 18:22:03 my kernel is not best, but good enought to cut some time before offiial build be ok :) Jan 25 18:22:36 JaMa: but how can i unpack modules if i don't have ssh? Jan 25 18:22:40 http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/kernel/optim-stage2/ Jan 25 18:22:50 get kernel and modules Jan 25 18:22:59 use dfu-util to flash kernel Jan 25 18:23:13 copy modules to sd card Jan 25 18:23:28 JaMa, yes please di it Jan 25 18:23:45 thanks, i'm not at my laptop anymore... Jan 25 18:23:47 spaetz: can you bump PR in repo? I don't have testing checkout here.. Jan 25 18:23:48 insert sd-card to moko and copy modules from sd to / Jan 25 18:24:01 untar modules. Jan 25 18:24:15 spaetz: I guess it's no :) Jan 25 18:24:24 sorry,, no computer close by. i caan bump tomorrow morning... Jan 25 18:24:32 and big warning, extract and copy modules _before_ you reflash kernel Jan 25 18:24:44 to have less unbootable situations. Jan 25 18:25:01 alternatively wait for shr guys to fix their build :) Jan 25 18:25:21 spaetz: no problem.. git checkout is quick.. Jan 25 18:26:38 spaetz: would you mind if I reenable UBI in testing kernel? I agree that it shouldn't be recommended for shr-t users.. but having it disabled in kernel is not helping much (as long as they cannot see it from kernel version..) Jan 25 18:36:31 spaetz: would you mind if I reenable UBI in testing kernel? I agree that it shouldn't be recommended for shr-t users.. but having it disabled in kernel is not helping much (as long as they cannot see it from kernel version..) Jan 25 18:37:11 fine with me Jan 25 18:37:16 what's wrong with UBI? Jan 25 18:37:18 ok, thanks Jan 25 18:37:43 Weiss: nothing.. it was disabled in shr-t kernel for few builds.. Jan 25 18:38:19 why not recommend it, if it makes things loads faster? :) Jan 25 18:38:24 (just playing Devil's Advocate here) Jan 25 18:38:50 Weiss: no devils here ;) Jan 25 18:39:36 * Weiss wouldn't be so sure :) Jan 25 18:39:39 huhu Jan 25 18:39:47 oppps... Jan 25 18:39:53 ;p Jan 25 18:40:24 LOL Jan 25 18:41:40 Weiss, as soon as i have easy to follow rules of how to install ubi, i'll use it. Jan 25 18:41:57 but the current wiki pages don't count as such Jan 25 18:42:12 last time i checked,, at least Jan 25 18:43:19 ah, hmm Jan 25 18:43:39 it's not just a case of telling OE to build UBI, then flashing and booting with a capable kernel? Jan 25 18:44:28 spaetz: this one? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ubifs 6 easy step, 4 of them optional :) Jan 25 18:45:15 Weiss: yes exactly.. (+you need qi-ubi) and all shr kernels are capable enough (except that few from shr-t) Jan 25 18:47:50 spaetz: btw how great is your .pyx foo? (about that shr-settings segfault..) Jan 25 18:48:29 mmh, better than my c foo :-) Jan 25 18:48:54 spaetz: can you check log from today starting 17:16? Jan 25 18:53:30 link? Jan 25 18:53:56 !log Jan 25 18:54:01 btw, the last kbi things i remeber are that it failed due to bad blocks etc. Jan 25 18:54:04 ~log Jan 25 18:54:05 log is, like, http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Jan 25 18:54:11 Heinervdm, ahh thankss Jan 25 18:54:41 great if it works now Jan 25 18:55:10 we should probably 'officially' endorse it in a mail then... Jan 25 18:55:21 i'll try ubi tomorrow Jan 25 18:56:21 can't find a python issue browsing thhrough http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko-cdevel.20100125.txt Jan 25 18:56:30 which time is it thhere? Jan 25 18:56:49 sory for typos, i have a kid on my arm. Jan 25 18:57:42 spaetz: that's yesterdays log. That's from today: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt Jan 25 19:00:06 spaetz: I sent reply to ML with that info.. http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2010-January/001993.html Jan 25 19:02:01 spaetz: it works now.. but it's not as tested as jffs2.. so I would let users decide.. btw you disabled also ubi images generations in shr-t right? in local.conf Jan 25 19:02:25 spaetz: if you want to try it i can reenable it and run image build again.. Jan 25 19:02:58 spaetz: and i guess that qi is not build for shr-t.. and also patches for qi are missing in shr-t Jan 25 19:03:13 * JaMa -> dinner Jan 25 19:04:46 ~bon appetit Jan 25 19:04:47 from memory, bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito Smaklig måltid!. Hyvää ruokahalua. Bo Proveito Jan 25 19:06:06 JaMa: When you build the new testing kernel you should build the new image too, else there wouldn't be a working image again Jan 25 19:10:52 Heinervdm, doh ;-) thx, checking log now Jan 25 19:13:38 nahh, can't make ssense of that .pyx stuff either, sorry. Jan 25 19:14:16 weird Jan 25 19:15:04 * JaMa : it's more difficult to turn-over omellete from 6 eggs than build some image with bitbake.. Jan 25 19:15:39 yo stefan_schmidt Jan 25 19:15:47 hi mickeyl Jan 25 19:15:48 yo yo yo Jan 25 19:20:11 Heinervdm: ok.. I'll build new images too... Jan 25 19:20:46 Heinervdm: but there is still that nodebug nopreemt kernel which seems to expose more bugs .. not sure if it's right kernel for shr-t.. Jan 25 19:21:35 JaMa: feel free to revert it, i thought it's pretty safe, but if it exposes bugs it's not right for shr-t Jan 25 19:21:56 which should be conservative in that regard (I probably went overboard there in my enthusiasm) Jan 25 19:22:05 and thanks for rebuilding, much appreciated). Jan 25 19:22:15 spaetz: I have no proof that's because of that.. but seen that on ML few times in last week :/ Jan 25 19:22:41 yep, then we need to revert :-(. shr-t should be rather safe than sorry Jan 25 19:23:04 ok killed that rebuild (almost finished :)) Jan 25 19:23:10 hehe Jan 25 19:23:24 but we can save one PR bump (= stay in sync with shr-u) :) Jan 25 19:23:58 good. when I bump shr-t I usuall just bump .1 to be able to stay in sync... Jan 25 19:25:10 no I bumped to -r7 with last UBI defconfig change and I'll remove that patch (for nodebug/nopreemt) with that.. Jan 25 19:25:48 already pushed :) Jan 25 19:38:37 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd0cff465c57b 10/msmcommd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): msmcommd: fix some stuff Jan 25 19:38:38 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rac98b88370f1 10/msmcterm/src/msmcterm.c: msmcterm: shutdown correctly when server disconnects Jan 25 19:38:39 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r89296cf36fe2 10/msmcommd/src/llc.c: msmcommd: encode frame data on sending after crc calculation Jan 25 19:41:15 go, morphis, go! Jan 25 19:42:49 mickeyl, leviathan: all cornucopia stuff should depend on libnl2? or just maybe 1 or 2 recipes are missing that dependency? http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/638/ Jan 25 19:43:08 JaMa: you can yank libnl2 from everything Jan 25 19:43:12 and then add it to libfsobasics Jan 25 19:43:18 it's going to be picked up by the rest then Jan 25 19:43:25 sorry, didn't have time to do that in oe yet Jan 25 19:43:53 libnl2 interface classes are now in fsobasics, which is required by everything else cornucopia Jan 25 19:44:57 mickeyl: ok.. can I do it without PR bump (as stuff already built without this won't pick newer libfsobasics for that..) Jan 25 19:45:04 correct Jan 25 19:45:28 it's only relevant for building from scratch Jan 25 19:45:43 leviathan: can you send updated patch or should I do it? Jan 25 19:46:12 mickeyl: btw what about python bump (seen your e-mail about bumping even ml very carefully... ) Jan 25 19:46:37 which package do you want to bump? Jan 25 19:46:43 ah, the core one Jan 25 19:46:49 python was released today.. yes Jan 25 19:46:56 i have been hesitating to update python since 2.6.2 Jan 25 19:47:09 since they broke some things Jan 25 19:47:15 such as setuptools Jan 25 19:47:30 if you can get the lion's share of task-python-everything to build, then it should be ok Jan 25 19:48:15 I was surprised that it compiled ok here (with all patches from older version applied cleanly), I would drop it for next rebuild or rebuild whole image with it if you think it's worth trying Jan 25 19:48:36 definitely worth trying Jan 25 19:49:06 ok.. but I can test only if stuff builds ok :/ Jan 25 19:49:12 hehe, yeah Jan 25 19:49:26 there's a ton of python stuff in OE Jan 25 19:49:35 we can try some Jan 25 19:49:37 but not all Jan 25 19:49:38 that wrong generation of .c from .pyx (like that one in shr-settings) will be hidden probably Jan 25 19:50:13 mickeyl: are you using Py_DECREF somewhere manually? Jan 25 19:50:25 no Jan 25 19:50:51 my .pyx experience is... python-pyrtc Jan 25 19:50:53 and that's about it Jan 25 19:51:22 I'm thinking if there is better strategy than bisecting e srcrevs :/ Jan 25 19:51:37 hop over to #edevelop and try to catch gustavo Jan 25 19:51:57 which is really time-consuming and those lines which fails now haven't been changed for few years.. Jan 25 19:52:07 mickeyl: ok, will try, thanks for tip Jan 25 19:52:12 np Jan 25 19:52:30 he and the rest of the (ex-)IndT guys know most about that Jan 25 19:52:45 perhaps asking on the e devel mailing list might make most sense Jan 25 19:54:24 I tried on #e today.. without luck.. but I'm still not sure if it's something changed in python or e itself :/ Jan 25 19:55:05 high probability on e Jan 25 19:55:09 or the bindings, for that matter Jan 25 19:55:19 neither python nor cython nor pyrex have been updated for a while Jan 25 19:59:28 yo GNUtoo Jan 25 19:59:41 leviathan fixed the backlight issue? Jan 25 20:00:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r5f799ec2eeb5 10/libmsmcomm/src/ (context.c internal.h response_types.c): libmsmcomm: add handling of response data from modem Jan 25 20:00:29 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r4262d1820399 10/msmcterm/src/msmcterm.c: msmcterm: react on events/responses from msmcommd Jan 25 20:14:38 gena2x: hello Jan 25 20:14:51 gena2x: i'm gonna try to flash your kernel Jan 25 20:31:50 Guys, friend of mine tells me that if Neo is frozen (he's wearing it in a jeans pocket) he gets white screen on wakeup, but everything works. The ring could be accepted if pressed the needed part of a screen. At home, when the temperature became normal - screen start to work ok. Jan 25 20:33:23 yes, the effect of temparature on WSOD is known Jan 25 20:35:34 strange... iphone too is affected by those kind of problems... Jan 25 20:36:00 if it's too cold the screen takes several seconds to wake up Jan 25 20:43:05 Q-Master, try wait for suspend Jan 25 20:43:30 and try wake up once again Jan 25 21:11:19 pbaxter: did you tried newer kernel from shr-t? it should be ok Jan 25 21:12:59 s/did/have/ Jan 25 21:13:00 JaMa meant: pbaxter: have you tried newer kernel from shr-t? it should be ok Jan 25 21:18:22 apt: JaMa thanks Jan 25 21:18:48 pbaxter: so can you confirm it's fixed? Jan 25 21:19:09 JaMa: i'm trying wait Jan 25 21:19:13 i'm setting password Jan 25 21:20:15 JaMa: it's WORKiNG Jan 25 21:20:19 thansk for new kernel Jan 25 21:20:21 ;) Jan 25 21:21:04 FIXED!!! Jan 25 21:21:11 ok Jan 25 21:22:57 JaMa: :) Jan 25 21:23:42 JaMa: maybe don't mess too much with bleeding edge in testing Jan 25 21:24:16 DocScrutinizer51: heh.. I didn't commit it there .. Jan 25 21:24:42 DocScrutinizer51: I was scared enough for not commiting it to shr-u :) Jan 25 21:33:45 /win 17 Jan 25 21:51:18 /win 17 Jan 25 21:51:19 mmm Jan 25 21:52:31 daniele_athome: tasty? Jan 25 21:53:01 my SHR!!! Jan 25 21:53:03 it works :D Jan 25 21:53:07 * PaulFer`` wonders where on irc he can find teenagers to ask them a question about "Daria" MTV series... Jan 25 21:53:27 PaulFer``, no, I just don't understand why people continues to use /cmd instead of //cmd Jan 25 21:53:42 dos1: congratz :) Jan 25 21:53:48 nothing serious anyway PaulFer`` ;) Jan 25 21:54:38 daniele_athome: do you understand .pyx stuff? Jan 25 21:54:54 JaMa, not completely Jan 25 21:55:04 but ask, I might be able to help you Jan 25 21:55:19 * JaMa running bisect on EFL revs.. but it's boring and takes so much time.. :/ Jan 25 21:55:40 daniele_athome: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2010-January/001993.html Jan 25 21:56:05 * JaMa spammer :) Jan 25 21:58:07 do you think it's ok Jan 25 21:58:13 to post the email of the spammer Jan 25 21:58:17 that spammed our wiki? Jan 25 21:58:20 (gmail) Jan 25 21:58:39 I want to write it in the bug report :P so we won't forget that madafuka :P Jan 25 21:58:45 TAsn: me? Jan 25 21:58:49 no Jan 25 21:58:53 ProLan Jan 25 21:58:55 or something like that Jan 25 21:59:06 ticket #887 Jan 25 21:59:35 daniele_athome: sometimes you press space and do not notice it... Jan 25 21:59:52 JaMa, __pyx_9 = 0; Jan 25 22:00:16 mmm Jan 25 22:00:27 I guess you noticed it too Jan 25 22:00:32 but it's too complicated sorry Jan 25 22:00:43 I barely know how to hack onto python-efl code :) Jan 25 22:00:53 daniele_athome: heh this part seems sane to me :) Jan 25 22:01:10 sorry I can't help :( Jan 25 22:01:41 ok hopefully I don't have to try more than 50 revs :/ Jan 25 22:02:01 with 20mins for iteration.. hmm :/ Jan 25 22:02:21 and downgrade iterations take longer :/ Jan 25 22:16:04 JaMa: long bisects can be quite a nice way to spend a dull evening.. not much thought required, but makes a huge difference.. Jan 25 22:16:47 mrmoku|away, didn't you fix the issue with shr-today reporting incorrect network status (by listening to a different signal?) Jan 25 22:18:13 hi. somebody has a link to the gta02 eagle files or detailed pcb images? I can't find it on the wiki Jan 25 22:20:33 dcordes: pcb layout? Jan 25 22:20:55 dcordes: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/lindi-searchable/ Jan 25 22:21:22 who summoned me? Jan 25 22:21:47 DocScrutinizer51: /me. And i'm off again, gotta sleep. Have a nice evening. :) Jan 25 22:21:59 ah perfect. but do you have something colorful perhaps? don't ask :D Jan 25 22:22:07 thanks. have a nice res Jan 25 22:22:17 t Jan 25 22:22:29 PaulFer``, good night Jan 25 22:23:29 there's no eagle files Jan 25 22:24:41 ictures are there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Jan 25 22:25:34 dcordes: ^^^ Jan 25 22:29:41 what is paul-trigger doing all the time? Jan 25 22:30:15 spam prevention Jan 25 22:30:32 each time a url is detected, the channel block message from unregistered people Jan 25 22:31:27 didn't see many spam virus victims recently Jan 25 22:34:17 heh cz_jc :-) Jan 25 22:34:25 DocScrutinizer, ? Jan 25 22:35:07 how are the bupbat? Jan 25 22:35:36 DocScrutinizer, all drained well below safe level, unfortunately Jan 25 22:35:47 highest voltage was 0.2V I think Jan 25 22:36:24 cz_jc: just yesterday we wondered if they survived long storage.My idea was they don't suffer from deep discharge unlike normal LiIon Jan 25 22:36:44 DocScrutinizer, I'm planning to make an external charger to see if any can be revived but I was very busy lately unfortunately Jan 25 22:37:10 DocScrutinizer, yes, according to datasheet they have 'excellent deep discharge characteristics' or something Jan 25 22:37:17 the bupbat cell chemistry is quite different to normal LiIon anyway Jan 25 22:37:25 well the one in my phone is definitely completely destroyed Jan 25 22:37:34 DocScrutinizer, btw I remembered something important Jan 25 22:38:09 DocScrutinizer, when I first received my FR, it used to heat up quite a lot below display area, didn't know what it was at first Jan 25 22:38:17 but now I'm very certain its the same spot the battery is under Jan 25 22:38:28 duh!!!! Jan 25 22:38:51 didn't realize that until recently Jan 25 22:39:09 cz_jc: how many BUBs did you test ? Jan 25 22:39:14 I don't see how the maybe 1mA charge current could noticably heat up anything Jan 25 22:39:21 all that I found, that was 7 Jan 25 22:39:31 but I only know for sure the one in my phone is broken, thats 1 Jan 25 22:39:35 ola' wpwrak Jan 25 22:39:38 cz_jc: hmph. 7/7 is bad Jan 25 22:40:04 DocScrutinizer, yeah, thats the thing, they're supposed to be charged with very small current Jan 25 22:40:24 wpwrak: 0V2 voltage isn'T exactly telling you anything about a fab fresh bupbat Jan 25 22:40:33 DocScrutinizer: my trust is the bub is dropping. i didn't think that was possible ... :) Jan 25 22:40:37 DocScrutinizer, they recommend using a large resistor in series with the battery. in schematic AFAIK its tied directly to the pfc Jan 25 22:40:37 s/is/in/ Jan 25 22:40:38 wpwrak meant: DocScrutinizer: my trust in the bub is dropping. i didn't think that was possible ... :) Jan 25 22:41:09 DocScrutinizer: no, but it suggests that life in the wilderness isn't kind to them Jan 25 22:41:24 DocScrutinizer, yes, thats why I say I dunno for sure ;) I'm gonna know once I try charging them. But first things first now, my Gentoo system on my phone is broken (filesystem damage) Jan 25 22:42:11 cz_jc: PMU is supposed to take care about charge current limiting. No series R needed Jan 25 22:42:32 PMU BBC does that Jan 25 22:42:41 i measured my backup battery recently too. it seem dead :( Jan 25 22:42:56 hehe I play with AVRs, I don't design phones so disregard my theories ;) Jan 25 22:43:23 * DocScrutinizer puts recent kernel to trial for not enabling bupbat BBC Jan 25 22:43:40 i have to remind myself that it's still not too late to bring the BUB into close vicinity of the chopping block ... Jan 25 22:43:48 ... for gta02-core, i mean ... Jan 25 22:43:50 DocScrutinizer, you mean that current limiter of some sort wasn't active ? Jan 25 22:44:50 nope. You can't short out the current limiter to do any damage to bupbat. But you can 'forget to' enable bupbat charging all together Jan 25 22:44:53 iirc Jan 25 22:45:03 DocScrutinizer: would be interesting to find out what's wrong with the BUB. i'm afraid it might turn out to be something like "they're just broken as designed" or "solder profile doesn't match". we had the latter already. not sure how thoroughly that was corrected. Jan 25 22:45:17 what is bub? Jan 25 22:45:19 but every time I turned on u-boot, voltage across backup battery appeared. doesn't that indicate charging ? Jan 25 22:45:24 Weiss: creating smaller segfaulting testcase seems faster and maybe as usable as bisect :) Jan 25 22:45:34 it get stable charging 3V while changing and charged up to 2V in 30 minutes. while discharging it discharges to ~0.5V and remain at that level. it were discharged in few seconds. Jan 25 22:45:37 'solder profile mismatch" sounds about right Jan 25 22:46:09 wpwrak, datasheet has very specific instructions about soldering Jan 25 22:46:12 cz_jc: yep Jan 25 22:46:25 cz_jc: though kernel could disable it later on Jan 25 22:46:58 cz_jc: (solder) *we* (the westerners EE) know that ;-P Jan 25 22:47:04 DocScrutinizer, I once left it for 2 hours on u-boot only, still drained in no time after I turned it off Jan 25 22:47:08 cz_jc: fab alas not Jan 25 22:47:36 cz_jc: dead. RIP Jan 25 22:47:53 DocScrutinizer, yes, thats what I think :) Jan 25 22:48:41 lindi-: the infamous Blow-Up Battery ... Jan 25 22:49:16 cz_jc: if you don't mind then just use 3 labclip wires and hook up one of the spare I sent to you to 3V over a series 1KR Jan 25 22:49:38 worst thing is that i have no idea where to get one, as nobody will sell 1 i guess. Jan 25 22:49:50 DocScrutinizer, whats a labclip wire ? Jan 25 22:50:00 cz_jc: then let it charge for 90minutes or somesuch Jan 25 22:50:29 gena2x: you might be able to find one if you search for small supercaps. there are some with basically the same characteristics. Jan 25 22:50:37 * cz_jc can't find it Jan 25 22:51:07 gena2x: i once spotted one on digi-key. hmm .. i must have posted about that thing ... Jan 25 22:51:17 wpwrak, except EDLC capacitors can be charged and discharged instantineously Jan 25 22:51:41 I have one here, and its pretty huge.. and actually has less energy density than the bubat XD Jan 25 22:51:47 *cappacity Jan 25 22:52:16 but they drop voltage just as cappacitors do, so it doesn't really compare with the li-ion imo Jan 25 22:52:50 cz_jc: http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=122627 Jan 25 22:57:40 wpwrak: which bug number? Jan 25 22:59:08 bugnumber? dunno if there's any Jan 25 22:59:13 lindi-: i don't know if it has one. it's just a "generally known" problem. Jan 25 22:59:23 wpwrak: i reported one Jan 25 22:59:38 hail lindi- Jan 25 22:59:40 huh.. do they die a lot ? Jan 25 22:59:54 wpwrak: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2310 "#2310 charging N900 with gta02 causes the gta02 to overheat" -- this one? Jan 25 23:00:01 seems a lot are dead on birth Jan 25 23:00:23 lindi-: huh??? Jan 25 23:00:40 lindi-: we're talking bout backup battery Jan 25 23:00:49 DocScrutinizer: aha Jan 25 23:01:26 you really should add it to some bug report so that more people could find it Jan 25 23:01:35 * DocScrutinizer actually thinks a dead bupbat is a feature rather than a bug ;-) Jan 25 23:01:38 i have never heard anything about a backup battery problem Jan 25 23:02:25 lindi-: why you think clock is reset while main battery is removed? Jan 25 23:02:47 at least we know *for sure* the state MBC will be in when we attach charger to a completely drained device :-P Jan 25 23:03:14 lindi-: yes, exacly, - because something wrong with backup power supply Jan 25 23:03:14 on devices with broken bupbat Jan 25 23:03:40 gena2x: aha Jan 25 23:03:59 lindi-: currently only thing most people sure that battery dead. Jan 25 23:04:12 lindi-: but i think noone sure why Jan 25 23:04:35 tbh I seen a number of devices to keep RTC time for days or even weeks. Always thought that's way too short a time Jan 25 23:05:24 gena2x: is that the consensus ? i.e., are basically all BUBs in the field dead ? if yes, we can kick it in gta02-core and implement one of the alternative plans (not as good as a working BUB, but ...) Jan 25 23:05:24 gena2x: what is the battery called in component placement? Jan 25 23:05:59 but lately I noticed loss of RTC settings even with short removal of bat rather frequently. No idea if it's the bupbats growing old and dead, or the newer kernels killing or simply not charging it Jan 25 23:06:09 lindi-: you mean the component ref, BAT1701 ? Jan 25 23:07:23 k fellas. Lemme test my imperative powers :-P Jan 25 23:10:57 DocScrutinizer, are you gonna tell the bubats to behave? :D Jan 25 23:12:12 lindi-: if you wish more info, all i know - battery model is 628-HB414-IV01E by seiko, you may read how it should work in PCF50633. Paul told me about issue, he told that from his pov it's connection is ok. Jan 25 23:12:36 lindi-: in fact this is good news, i we have chances to fix rtc problems somehow Jan 25 23:13:00 cz_jc: nah, see #openmoko call for mass testing Jan 25 23:13:00 lindi-: also it's very easy to de/resolder that battery. Jan 25 23:13:34 DocScrutinizer, add hwclock --systohc if hwclock and date diasgree maybe :) Jan 25 23:14:11 wpwrak: i think, backup power for rtc is extremly nice feature, and before removing we need to understand why it is not working Jan 25 23:15:02 gena2x: quite nice feature yes Jan 25 23:15:33 gena2x: the plan B would be to power the modem's rtc with a cap Jan 25 23:15:52 gena2x: 100 uF should already be good for a minute Jan 25 23:16:06 anyway gotta go to bed, early start tommorow again :/ bye for now :) Jan 25 23:16:09 wpwrak: that's not so nice Jan 25 23:16:23 wpwrak: i'd like to get time even when i'm not allowed to keep the gsm part on Jan 25 23:18:11 lindi-: yeah, it wouldn't work in all cases. but at least in some, reliably Jan 25 23:18:28 wpwrak: reliably? asking calypso for time only works sometimes Jan 25 23:18:39 wpwrak: sometimes it returns random garbage on AT+CCLK? Jan 25 23:18:47 wpwrak: first lets understand that's wrong with battery. according to PCF50633, schematic is simple. according to my measurements - PCF works fine. Jan 25 23:19:06 wpwrak: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2291 #2291 AT+CCLK sometimes returns corrupted time Jan 25 23:19:34 lindi-: no, i mean gta02-core. so telit, no calypso Jan 25 23:19:41 wpwrak: ok Jan 25 23:20:08 wpwrak: still having it in gsm does not sound very nice at all but if it makes things easier i guess it could be an option Jan 25 23:20:25 gena2x: yup, if someone can figure out what's happening, that would be great Jan 25 23:20:29 wpwrak: would be nice to be able to set system clock when / is ro Jan 25 23:20:39 wpwrak: i see 3v while main power supply is on. i see battery charging, i see it discharging with proper current while power supply is off Jan 25 23:20:42 wpwrak: so that files are created with correct timestamps Jan 25 23:21:23 wpwrak: so really wonder that's wrong. Jan 25 23:21:56 lindi-: can't you just set rw then update the clock and then create files ? Jan 25 23:22:13 worse issue is ext2 check Jan 25 23:22:23 wpwrak: yes but i mean it would be nice to get the clock fixed before you start X and udev and hal and ... Jan 25 23:22:34 and ext2 check too Jan 25 23:22:47 lindi-: sounds like a user space problem :) Jan 25 23:22:57 if you set time to 2009, and than it resets, ext2 start thinking that something wrong with fs and receck everything. Jan 25 23:23:02 wpwrak: yes frameworkd does not run with read-only filesystem Jan 25 23:23:10 gena2x: hmm ..don't check ? who wants bad news anyway :) Jan 25 23:23:55 i didn't find the way to disable this check while quickly viewing of man for tune2fs Jan 25 23:25:02 wpwrak: anyway, keep the battery, just fix what's wrong :) Jan 25 23:25:50 hehe :) Jan 25 23:26:30 wpwrak: lindi- What's RTC got to do with systemclock??? you can read RTC any time, even while / is ro Jan 25 23:28:19 gena2x: tune2fs -T now && e2fsck ? ;-) Jan 25 23:28:57 DocScrutinizer: wpwrak was talking about using rtc in gsm chip Jan 25 23:29:23 aah Jan 25 23:31:28 wpwrak: and submit this to debian upstream scripts ? ;) Jan 25 23:32:38 gena2x: get ted really really drunk and get him to add his approval ? :) Jan 25 23:34:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r66e83b934eae 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): rename mainloops example to application Jan 25 23:35:17 wpwrak: ok, look like real solution. let's consider this plan C. Jan 25 23:35:40 DocScrutinizer: btw, did you ever figure out what the LR in the bom means ? (as in "FOR GSM LR", but sometimes just "... DARFON LR" or such) Jan 25 23:36:23 Lost Rationale Jan 25 23:36:40 ;-)) Jan 25 23:37:54 "FOR GSM" actually mostly lost rational Jan 25 23:38:51 yeah, the "FOR GSM" has a very strong ritualistic element Jan 25 23:39:00 I suspect some sort of brainless running gag Jan 25 23:39:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r03f9cec1d17d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): examples compile again Jan 25 23:40:33 or it's the magic incantation hoping to make calypso work Jan 25 23:41:02 dance a calypso do please the voodoo gods Jan 25 23:41:25 probably you need higher studies of Asian philosophy and religion to understand Jan 25 23:44:32 i thought a degree in "nobody was ever fired for following procedure" would be enough ? :) Jan 25 23:55:13 FIC heritage most probably Jan 25 23:55:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * ra18c70a312d9 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): rename SmartCallback to Callback Jan 25 23:57:55 yup, that's for sure. i just thought you may have inquired. i never did. Jan 26 00:00:43 lemme reccon "We need for understanding BOM" Jan 26 00:12:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf2b820fc7d34 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): start w/ dialer in elementary Jan 26 00:33:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r20fa4d7ab79a 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas.vapi: bind more enums Jan 26 00:54:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r294f250f5c20 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas.vapi: bind HINT_EXPAND and HINT_FILL Jan 26 01:06:01 If I RequestResource several times from the same busname, the refcount gets increased only by one? Jan 26 01:06:54 So if I want multiple things from the same app to request a resource, I need to keep an internal refcount and release the resource when it goes to 0? Jan 26 01:07:41 The question is, would doing so be redundant? Jan 26 01:52:23 What is the interface of the errors? For example, is it "org.freesmartphone.Usage.PolicyUnknown"? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 26 02:59:56 2010