**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 27 02:59:57 2010
Jan 27 05:06:45 <nytowl> spaetz: can I commit stuff directly to testing or should it go into unstable first ?
Jan 27 06:27:10 <satish> mickey : Hi
Jan 27 06:28:13 <satish> Is "mdbus2" support for method invokation implementation available ? 
Jan 27 06:29:55 <satish> root@om-gta02 / $ mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
Jan 27 06:30:17 <satish> org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.GetCurrentTime
Jan 27 06:30:29 <satish> ** ERROR **: main.vala:334: calling methods not yet implemented
Jan 27 06:38:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, ffs, my moko doesn't boot after the upgrade ;(
Jan 27 06:41:05 <mickey|ICE2068> morning
Jan 27 06:42:27 <mrmoku> TAsn: ouch... checked the init link?
Jan 27 06:42:43 <mrmoku> mickey|ICE2068: morning... you like trains a lot, right? :P
Jan 27 06:43:00 <mickey|ICE2068> heh
Jan 27 06:43:12 <mickey|ICE2068> mrmoku: better than driving by car ;)
Jan 27 06:43:16 <TAsn> mrmoku, no, but that probably it.
Jan 27 06:43:22 <TAsn> I'll fix it later.
Jan 27 06:43:24 <TAsn> gtg to work
Jan 27 06:43:25 <TAsn> ciao.
Jan 27 06:43:32 <mrmoku> TAsn: have fun :P
Jan 27 06:43:42 <TAsn> thakns :P
Jan 27 06:43:57 <mrmoku> mickey|ICE2068: yeah, lets you do more useful things than staring on the road :)
Jan 27 06:44:13 <mickey|ICE2068> yep
Jan 27 06:44:19 <Wonka> trains are fun... if they are on time
Jan 27 06:44:38 <mickey|ICE2068> heh
Jan 27 06:44:48 * mickey|ICE2068 sitting in a substitution train for one that was cancelled
Jan 27 06:44:53 <mickey|ICE2068> oh, and the substitute was 30 min late
Jan 27 06:44:55 <mickey|ICE2068> ...
Jan 27 06:44:55 <mickey|ICE2068> :)
Jan 27 06:45:22 <mickey|ICE2068> so, the usual nightmare with german railway
Jan 27 06:45:55 <mickey|ICE2068> argh, and i didn't even check the repeater waggons
Jan 27 06:45:57 <mickey|ICE2068> *sigh*
Jan 27 06:46:01 * Q-Master_ is working at home either. 8)
Jan 27 06:46:09 <Wonka> this one is only 8min late... timely ride is 20min
Jan 27 06:47:30 <Wonka> seems i will miss the bus i got the last days
Jan 27 06:49:51 <Wonka> cannot dev here, cannot sleep, nothing left over to  play with gps here...
Jan 27 06:50:36 <mickey|ICE2068> heh
Jan 27 06:52:21 <alphaone> morning
Jan 27 06:54:23 <satish> mickey : Hi
Jan 27 06:54:41 <satish>  ** ERROR **: main.vala:334: calling methods not yet implemented
Jan 27 06:54:57 <satish> any update from your side
Jan 27 06:55:03 <satish> that i can try ?
Jan 27 06:56:47 <mickey|ICE2068> it's not so easy, need to bind more of libdbus from Vala to be able to do that
Jan 27 07:00:51 <mickey|ICE2068> perhaps binding message and append_args is enough
Jan 27 07:00:56 <mickey|ICE2068> let me try that during my trainride
Jan 27 07:23:22 <satish> mickey : thanks a lot.
Jan 27 08:40:21 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6277fb9b0e64 10/tools/mdbus2/ (src/Makefile.am src/main.vala vapi/dbus-glib-1.vapi): 
Jan 27 08:40:21 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: mdbus2: start with suport for method calling
Jan 27 08:40:21 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This needs some enhancements in dbus-glib-1.vapi, which is
Jan 27 08:40:21 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: going to happen here in a local copy before I send it upstream
Jan 27 08:40:21 <\marco> hi to all :)
Jan 27 08:41:01 <\marco> since shr-settings is segfaulting is there a way to set my profile to "Vibrate"?
Jan 27 08:41:18 <\marco> like a dbus message to someone :)?
Jan 27 08:41:26 <octavsly> give me a minute
Jan 27 08:41:48 <octavsly> to boot
Jan 27 08:41:54 <\marco> oh, thanks :)
Jan 27 08:42:45 <\marco> ( booting with last unstable is faster! great work! :D )
Jan 27 08:43:52 <octavsly> almost there
Jan 27 08:44:13 <octavsly> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opreferencesd /org/freesmartphone/Preferences org.freesmartphone.Preferences.SetProfile vibrate
Jan 27 08:45:52 <\marco> octavsly: thank you! :)
Jan 27 08:46:07 <octavsly> I have a cron script to set it to vibrate at certain hours
Jan 27 08:46:24 <octavsly> and I use the command above
Jan 27 08:46:31 <\marco> mhm.. nice idea!
Jan 27 08:46:50 <\marco> I'll copy you :P
Jan 27 08:46:55 <octavsly> */1 * * * *     /home/root/bin/brightness
Jan 27 08:46:56 <octavsly> 30  9 * * 1-5   /home/root/bin/set_profiles_vibrate
Jan 27 08:46:56 <octavsly> 30 16 * * 1-5   /home/root/bin/set_profiles_ring
Jan 27 08:47:14 <\marco> very nice :)
Jan 27 08:47:16 <octavsly> thus every working day from 9:30 to 16:30 is vibrate
Jan 27 08:48:11 <Defiant> octavsly: how do you make sure your device is turned on for executing cron job?
Jan 27 08:49:47 <\marco> mhm.. a right objection, I suppose
Jan 27 08:50:29 <octavsly> I suppose a cron job will get executed when the phone gets started
Jan 27 08:50:32 <\marco> it will be nice if cron job task wake the phone ( like an alarm)
Jan 27 08:50:39 <octavsly> taht can be done
Jan 27 08:51:15 <octavsly> in a normal PC one ned to program the RTC
Jan 27 08:51:34 <\marco> I've looked at ffalarm source and I've found a little complicated
Jan 27 08:51:41 <\marco> for me :D
Jan 27 08:52:37 <octavsly> I will look at RTC
Jan 27 08:58:59 <octavsly> no luck with RTC
Jan 27 08:59:48 <octavsly> tried to write in  /sys/devices/platform/s3c24
Jan 27 08:59:48 <octavsly> 40-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-rtc/rtc/rtc0/power/wakeup
Jan 27 08:59:48 <octavsly>  but do not see any value being written there
Jan 27 09:00:12 <lindi-> octavsly: are you using frameworkd?
Jan 27 09:01:45 <octavsly> nope
Jan 27 09:03:10 <lindi-> octavsly: then you can rtcwake -s 60 -m no && pm-suspend   and the phone will wake automatically in 60 seconds
Jan 27 09:03:53 <octavsly> lindi-: thanks
Jan 27 09:04:33 <\marco> lindi-: wow, good to know :)
Jan 27 09:04:42 <octavsly> rtcwake: /dev/rtc not enabled for wakeup events
Jan 27 09:04:54 <josch> wait i once reported that....
Jan 27 09:05:03 <lindi-> octavsly: that's what "-m no" does, it is not a problem
Jan 27 09:05:41 <josch> hrm...
Jan 27 09:05:47 <josch> yes
Jan 27 09:05:48 <josch> rtcwake -s 20 -m no
Jan 27 09:05:51 <josch> that works here
Jan 27 09:07:11 <octavsly> pm-suspend part of what package?
Jan 27 09:07:21 <lindi-> octavsly: apt-file search bin/pm-suspend
Jan 27 09:07:40 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6a75bbf23a52 10/tools/mdbus2/ (src/Makefile.am src/main.vala vapi/dbus-glib-1.vapi): mdbus2: add support for string and int out arguments
Jan 27 09:08:02 <octavsly> lindi-: I use SHR and do not have the apt-file
Jan 27 09:08:17 <josch> you can also echo mem > /sys/power/state
Jan 27 09:08:25 <octavsly> OK
Jan 27 09:08:41 <lindi-> octavsly: i don't think you have apt-get either then :(
Jan 27 09:08:47 <josch> it is pm-utils i guess
Jan 27 09:08:48 <mickey|ICE2806> on SHR you should suspend via fsousaged
Jan 27 09:08:59 <lindi-> mickey|ICE2806: but he said he's not using frameworkd
Jan 27 09:09:02 <mickey|ICE2806> and you can also use dbus to set the RTC
Jan 27 09:09:42 <mickey|ICE2806> ah, didn't see that
Jan 27 09:09:54 <octavsly> BTW. I  cannot turn on my GSM. if I start phonefsod I get
Jan 27 09:09:55 <octavsly> [phonefsod]  MESSAGE: Remote method exception org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FailedToSetup: Failed to setup environment correctly
Jan 27 09:10:02 <octavsly> I prsume this is known
Jan 27 09:10:36 <lindi-> octavsly: i don't think that works without frameworkd
Jan 27 09:11:28 <octavsly> lindi-: I do start the frameworkd
Jan 27 09:15:54 <octavsly> why would disble the GSm. See the next message
Jan 27 09:16:02 <octavsly> 2010.01.27 09:14:46.192 ogsmd.device         INFO     auth status changed to SIM PIN   
Jan 27 09:16:02 <octavsly> 2010.01.27 09:14:48.142 ogsmd                INFO     subsystem PHB readyness now False
Jan 27 09:16:02 <octavsly> 2010.01.27 09:14:48.150 ogsmd                INFO     full readyness now False         
Jan 27 09:16:02 <octavsly> 2010.01.27 09:14:48.420 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource status for GSM from enabled to disabling
Jan 27 09:16:02 <octavsly> 2010.01.27 09:14:49.607 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled
Jan 27 09:19:13 <\marco> mickey|tv: I'm using frameqorkd and I'm interested in fsousged managing by dbus.. is there any doc about? ( or source code to look at )
Jan 27 09:19:58 <\marco> *frameworkd :)
Jan 27 09:30:30 <Heinervdm> \marco: http://doc.freesmartpthone.org
Jan 27 09:30:49 <Heinervdm> \marco: http://docs.freesmartphone.org
Jan 27 09:52:14 <\marco> Heinervdm: thanks! :) ( sorry I was afk )
Jan 27 10:08:47 <playya__> mrmoku|away, libfso-glib compiles with the proxy classes
Jan 27 10:09:11 <playya__> i try to cherry pick the correct patch later
Jan 27 10:11:26 <playya__> it's already in in the git
Jan 27 10:21:54 <daniele_athome> eeeh fsoMeeting :D
Jan 27 10:41:22 <mrmoku> playya__: great :)
Jan 27 14:22:00 <dos1> mrmoku: i think we (SHR) should setup some paypal account and write guidelines about how to donate us
Jan 27 14:22:13 <dos1> mrmoku: we could use part of donations made for us to donate FSO :)
Jan 27 14:23:42 <dos1> as far as i see there are some people on ML who want to donate SHR with some money
Jan 27 14:24:23 <dos1> and because getting money is nice ;) and we can help FSO development, which i think we can agree is the most important for us
Jan 27 14:24:58 <dos1> we should think about it ;)
Jan 27 14:30:48 <Q-Master> dos1: Will the remove-tel script add the found fields to corresponding types automatically?
Jan 27 14:31:26 <dos1> Q-Master: yup, it searches phonenumber and email fields
Jan 27 14:31:40 <Q-Master> dos1: ok. updating
Jan 27 14:32:31 <dos1> mickey|fsoMeetin: donating FSO right now :) not too much (10 euro), but i hope it'll be usable somehow :)
Jan 27 14:32:40 <Q-Master> mrmoku: can it be implemented sorting in libphoneui not only by Name Surname, but also by Surname Name?
Jan 27 14:32:49 <mickey|fsoMeetin> dos1: super. thanks a ton! everything is much appreciated
Jan 27 14:35:52 <dos1> :)
Jan 27 14:40:02 <Q-Master> dos1: how can I get amount of contacts in opimd using a console?
Jan 27 14:42:07 <dos1> amount of contacts?
Jan 27 14:42:15 <JaMa> Heinervdm: still working on it.. but running out of options :/ newer python, cython, multidev disabled and it still segfaults ( a bit different bt now )
Jan 27 14:42:46 <dos1> Q-Master: opimd-cli c query | grep "Numer of results"
Jan 27 14:42:50 <JaMa> http://pastebin.ca/1768006
Jan 27 14:42:53 <Heinervdm> JaMa: :(
Jan 27 14:43:04 <dos1> (thanks, spotted typo, it should be "Number"  :D)
Jan 27 14:44:04 <JaMa> mickey|fsoMeetin: task-python-everything almost built :) about 5 packages failing.. but maybe they are in dep tree of some more.. but what happen with zope-interfaces?
Jan 27 14:45:57 <mickey|fsoMeetin> ah
Jan 27 14:45:59 <mickey|fsoMeetin> now i can talk
Jan 27 14:46:01 <mickey|fsoMeetin> JaMa: python-zopeinterface
Jan 27 14:47:25 <JaMa> mickey|fsoMeetin: no such recipe in my checkout and bitbake says that nothing provides zope-interfaces (RRECOMMENDED from zope)
Jan 27 14:47:34 <mickey|fsoMeetin> hmm
Jan 27 14:47:40 <mickey|fsoMeetin> recipes/zope/
Jan 27 14:47:43 <JaMa> sorry found it :/
Jan 27 14:48:32 <JaMa> mickey|fsoMeetin: but there should be RPROVIDES then or RRECOMMENDED fixed in zope_*.bb
Jan 27 14:49:12 <mickey|fsoMeetin> true
Jan 27 14:49:46 <Q-Master> dos1: ok
Jan 27 16:17:38 <mrmoku> dos1: yeah, though I have no idea what is necessary for that... does it need some kind of organization?
Jan 27 16:18:14 <dos1> mickey|fsoMeetin: maybe you know something about that?
Jan 27 16:18:16 <mrmoku> Q-Master: right now, no... 
Jan 27 16:19:15 <mickey|fsoMeetin> about what? (sorry, lacking context)
Jan 27 16:20:03 <dos1> mickey|fsoMeetin: what SHR should do (in legal context) to organize some way of donating?
Jan 27 16:20:08 <mrmoku> mickey|fsoMeetin: what does one need to receive donations :P
Jan 27 16:20:22 <mrmoku> in a tax legal way :)
Jan 27 16:20:49 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r330c962b667a 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: array of strings as result now works
Jan 27 16:21:09 <mickey|fsoMeetin> mrmoku: ah, that needs a non-profit org.
Jan 27 16:21:13 <mickey|fsoMeetin> like an e.V.
Jan 27 16:21:20 <mickey|fsoMeetin> quite some beaurocratic work to get that
Jan 27 16:21:28 <mrmoku> heh :/
Jan 27 16:21:32 <mickey|fsoMeetin> but it may pay off, if you can raise tax excemption status
Jan 27 16:21:39 <mickey|fsoMeetin> (then it's more likely companies donate)
Jan 27 16:21:46 <mickey|fsoMeetin> bbl, dinner now
Jan 27 16:21:54 <mrmoku> guten apettit :)
Jan 27 16:21:56 <mickey|fsoMeetin> danke :)
Jan 27 16:22:05 <mickey|fsoMeetin> (we could perhaps make an arrangement with OE e.V.)
Jan 27 16:22:13 <mickey|fsoMeetin> using it as umbrella org
Jan 27 16:22:20 <mickey|fsoMeetin> something to consider
Jan 27 16:22:23 <mickey|fsoMeetin> bbl
Jan 27 16:23:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, ping
Jan 27 16:23:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: pong
Jan 27 16:23:34 <TAsn> what do I need to link in order to revive my moko? :P
Jan 27 16:23:53 <Ainulindale> WTF
Jan 27 16:23:55 <mrmoku> TAsn: where does /sbin/init point to?
Jan 27 16:23:58 <Ainulindale> Why am I voiced?
Jan 27 16:24:00 <TAsn> sec
Jan 27 16:24:04 <TAsn> Ainulindale, because you are cool.
Jan 27 16:24:06 <TAsn> duh.
Jan 27 16:24:15 <Ainulindale> If I'm cool, why am I not oped then? :-)
Jan 27 16:24:25 <misc> not cool enough
Jan 27 16:24:26 <TAsn> ops are sexy
Jan 27 16:24:32 <TAsn> voices are cool
Jan 27 16:24:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: missing some coolness points... just enough for being voiced :P
Jan 27 16:24:35 <TAsn> there's a big diff :P
Jan 27 16:24:53 <Ainulindale> That's why I decided not to be cool :-)
Jan 27 16:25:22 <TAsn> btw, no idea who/why oped me :P
Jan 27 16:25:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, it doesn't point anywhere
Jan 27 16:25:51 <TAsn> it's just a file.
Jan 27 16:26:08 <TAsn> oops
Jan 27 16:26:08 <mrmoku> TAsn: let me check mine
Jan 27 16:26:12 <TAsn> my bai
Jan 27 16:26:14 <TAsn> bad
Jan 27 16:26:14 <Q-Master> mrmoku: and when will be fixed the problem with wrong contacts showing? I'll make a picture.
Jan 27 16:26:27 <mrmoku> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           19 Jan 13 15:42 /sbin/init -> /sbin/init.sysvinit
Jan 27 16:26:28 <TAsn>  sbin/init -> /sbin/init.sysvinit
Jan 27 16:26:44 <mrmoku> that is not your problem then
Jan 27 16:26:49 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Well I have my idea and I have no interest in such lowly gratifications anyways :-)
Jan 27 16:27:22 <TAsn> for me it just means I have a decent uptime
Jan 27 16:27:24 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 16:27:29 <Ainulindale> Plus it's not as if I was doing a thing
Jan 27 16:27:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, ffs :P
Jan 27 16:27:36 <TAsn> any idea how to know what's wrong?
Jan 27 16:28:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: where does it hang?
Jan 27 16:28:06 <TAsn> splash
Jan 27 16:28:10 <TAsn> is the last thing I get
Jan 27 16:28:14 <TAsn> (penguin)
Jan 27 16:29:03 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 27 16:29:23 <mrmoku> I had some boots that where hanging with splash
Jan 27 16:29:34 <mrmoku> turning off and ripping the battery fixed that though
Jan 27 16:29:48 <TAsn> I'll try again
Jan 27 16:29:48 <TAsn> sec
Jan 27 16:30:58 <mrmoku> brb
Jan 27 16:34:43 <TAsn> mrmoku, doesn't work.
Jan 27 16:37:16 <Q-Master> can anyone tell me how to make a screenshot from NEO? ssh -X doesnt work
Jan 27 16:37:32 <TAsn> gpe-scap?
Jan 27 16:37:40 <Q-Master> ok
Jan 27 16:42:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: :(
Jan 27 16:42:15 <TAsn> any non-flashing
Jan 27 16:42:17 <TAsn> suggestions?
Jan 27 16:42:35 <mrmoku> TAsn: boot from your spare partition and chroot?
Jan 27 16:42:55 <TAsn> better yet, any suggested version to flash? :P
Jan 27 16:43:04 <mrmoku> hehe
Jan 27 16:43:16 <mrmoku> there should be an image from yesterday
Jan 27 16:43:21 <mrmoku> did not try it though
Jan 27 16:43:26 <TAsn> with or without new-opimd?
Jan 27 16:43:30 <mrmoku> with
Jan 27 16:43:34 <TAsn> sweet :P
Jan 27 16:45:00 <JaMa> TAsn: can you start xorg server from chroot?
Jan 27 16:45:17 <JaMa> TAsn: I assume you have more partitons installations on neo
Jan 27 16:46:23 <TAsn> JaMa, already started deleting stuff :P
Jan 27 16:46:31 <JaMa> or remove /var/log from tmpfs populate so persist logs and try reboot again and then show us the log..
Jan 27 16:46:43 <TAsn> my flash has a VERY old  fso image :P
Jan 27 16:46:46 <JaMa> TAsn: noooo I'm interested what went wrong for LUCKY you...
Jan 27 16:47:14 <JaMa> fso image is good enough for chroot.. go for it..
Jan 27 16:47:20 <TAsn> already started erasing :|
Jan 27 16:47:27 <TAsn> rm -rf flash :P
Jan 27 16:47:39 <mrmoku> TAsn: was there some preferred UI mockup for the call screen?
Jan 27 16:47:40 <Q-Master> hm.
Jan 27 16:47:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, starting to work on it?
Jan 27 16:48:01 <Q-Master> somehow some contacts are now duplicated in phoneui-contacts
Jan 27 16:48:28 <Q-Master> and have some strange "/hm" or "/h" at the end.
Jan 27 16:48:37 <Q-Master> And some seems cut.
Jan 27 16:48:37 <mrmoku> TAsn: I want to fix the 'call does not hangup when closing the call screen' ticket
Jan 27 16:49:06 <mrmoku> and switching the call screen to the new view system would change (and probably help with) that
Jan 27 16:49:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, that's an easy fix actually
Jan 27 16:49:21 <TAsn> you can either mark the window not to close
Jan 27 16:49:26 <TAsn> or just add a close callback
Jan 27 16:49:30 <TAsn> I prefer the former
Jan 27 16:50:00 <mrmoku> hmm... how?
Jan 27 16:51:06 <TAsn> there's a way
Jan 27 16:51:06 <TAsn> sec
Jan 27 16:52:22 <TAsn> hm... when you create a window iirc
Jan 27 16:52:47 <TAsn> sec, I knew it ;P
Jan 27 16:53:48 <TAsn> elm_win_autodel_set(win->win, 1); 
Jan 27 16:53:50 <TAsn> that's it.
Jan 27 16:53:53 <TAsn> set it to 0
Jan 27 16:53:58 <TAsn> and it won't close
Jan 27 16:54:07 <TAsn> iirc
Jan 27 16:54:08 <ThibG> hm, out of curiosity, why apps like messages (especially for name lookup) are that slow?
Jan 27 16:54:18 <TAsn> ThibG, because opimd is terribly slow
Jan 27 16:54:42 <ThibG> hm ok
Jan 27 16:58:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, saw what I wrote?
Jan 27 16:58:54 <TAsn> mrmoku, if you register a callback for delete event and set that, the page won't die.
Jan 27 16:59:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: looking at elementary code to see what it does...
Jan 27 16:59:50 <TAsn> told you
Jan 27 16:59:57 <TAsn> it sets
Jan 27 17:00:02 <TAsn> whether deleting occurs automatically
Jan 27 17:00:12 <TAsn> when a delete event is handled by you
Jan 27 17:00:14 <mrmoku> yeah, but will the window hide anyway?
Jan 27 17:00:17 <TAsn> no
Jan 27 17:00:27 <TAsn> autodel 1 will delete the window
Jan 27 17:00:31 <TAsn> autodel 0 will not
Jan 27 17:00:34 <TAsn> that's it
Jan 27 17:00:44 <mrmoku> hmm, will just try that then
Jan 27 17:00:47 <TAsn> if you set 0 you need to do whatever you want yourself
Jan 27 17:00:54 <TAsn> just don't change it in window.c
Jan 27 17:01:04 <TAsn> set it in call-active*
Jan 27 17:02:45 <mrmoku> sure
Jan 27 17:02:55 <TAsn> ok :P
Jan 27 17:07:58 <Q-Master> mrmoku: where can I upload some screenshots?
Jan 27 17:09:25 <mrmoku> Q-Master: scap?
Jan 27 17:09:56 <Q-Master> mrmoku: how?
Jan 27 17:09:58 <mrmoku> Q-Master: guess you already did :P
Jan 27 17:09:59 <mrmoku> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Jan 27 17:10:35 <Q-Master> mrmoku: and how to upload anything?
Jan 27 17:12:12 <mrmoku> Q-Master: did you check the url? is that yours?
Jan 27 17:12:29 <mrmoku> scap offers to automatically upload it... no expert there though
Jan 27 17:12:35 <mrmoku> (and off for dinner now)
Jan 27 17:12:42 <mrmoku> bbl
Jan 27 17:12:59 <Q-Master> mrmoku: the 1st one yes, but I want to upload some modified ones
Jan 27 17:13:11 <TAsn> mrmoku|away, ok, booting new image :P
Jan 27 17:16:06 <ThibG> wesnoth? In 480x640? How? :o
Jan 27 17:16:48 <TAsn> shit, I have the crazy amount of buttons at the bottom bug :P
Jan 27 17:17:27 <JaMa> TAsn: you should choose Illume-home instead for illume2 :)
Jan 27 17:17:45 <TAsn> where?
Jan 27 17:18:00 <JaMa> TAsn: e-wizard settings thing
Jan 27 17:18:13 <JaMa> or you didn't remove ~/.e?
Jan 27 17:18:29 <TAsn> JaMa, that's actually quite weird
Jan 27 17:18:32 <TAsn> I did remove it
Jan 27 17:18:37 <TAsn> didn't*
Jan 27 17:18:42 <TAsn> but I did get the first time wizard
Jan 27 17:18:45 <TAsn> sec, removing it.
Jan 27 17:19:40 * JaMa going home..
Jan 27 17:19:46 <TAsn> you meant in the first e wizard
Jan 27 17:19:59 <TAsn> I should have chosen illume-home and not illume-shr?
Jan 27 17:20:18 <JaMa> yes.. if you want to try illume2 instead of illume1 with those buttons..
Jan 27 17:20:32 <TAsn> wait
Jan 27 17:20:34 <TAsn> which is illume2
Jan 27 17:20:42 <JaMa> illume-home is illume2
Jan 27 17:20:46 <TAsn> okie :P
Jan 27 17:21:01 <TAsn> how nice is it ?
Jan 27 17:21:30 <JaMa> it would be nice to have better theme for it (quite small buttons etc)
Jan 27 17:21:46 <TAsn> yeah, very small
Jan 27 17:21:47 <JaMa> but its usable already (battery level is not shown properly)
Jan 27 17:21:51 <TAsn> and python wizard went nuts
Jan 27 17:22:16 <TAsn> doesn't the old theme work?
Jan 27 17:22:18 <JaMa> python wizard went nuts imho for illume1 too (maybe same sigsegv as all python-stuff
Jan 27 17:22:29 <JaMa> TAsn: haven't tried yet..
Jan 27 17:22:41 <JaMa> TAsn: that config is just default one from e devs
Jan 27 17:22:44 <TAsn> weird, I have two desktops
Jan 27 17:23:00 <JaMa> TAsn: split :) there is button for that in top shelf
Jan 27 17:23:09 * ThibG is trying illume2, so
Jan 27 17:23:10 <TAsn> sweet :P
Jan 27 17:23:15 <JaMa> TAsn: you can choose horiz/vert/or one window
Jan 27 17:23:47 <JaMa> TAsn: yeah.. and raster said that it should be all easily customizable so maybe it's time to use shr-launcher as home screen etc..
Jan 27 17:24:09 <JaMa> gtg.. already too long at work.. :)
Jan 27 17:26:29 <Q-Master> mrmoku|away: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3475/screenshot1g.png http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8884/screenshot2m.png http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2237/screenshot3gc.png
Jan 27 17:27:51 <TAsn> JaMa, almost everything crashes in the settings page
Jan 27 17:27:54 <TAsn> me is going back to illume1
Jan 27 17:32:14 <Q-Master> JaMa: why do I see 2 same icon sets one above other?
Jan 27 17:42:12 <TAsn> $ ls -l /bin/
Jan 27 17:42:12 <TAsn> Segmentation fault
Jan 27 17:42:14 <TAsn> FFS
Jan 27 17:43:33 <TAsn> everything I do segs :P
Jan 27 17:45:50 <Ainulindale> (stop doing python then :->)
Jan 27 17:45:57 <TAsn> I don't.
Jan 27 17:47:54 <misc> my shr-u frozed completly twice while upgrading :/
Jan 27 17:48:00 <TAsn> :>
Jan 27 17:52:48 <dos1> Ainulindale: ping ping ping
Jan 27 17:53:04 <TAsn> Ainulindale, dos1 TRAC! :P
Jan 27 17:53:09 <TAsn> dos1, I bet that's why you called him :P
Jan 27 17:53:16 <dos1> TAsn: yup, you're correct :P
Jan 27 17:53:24 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 17:54:59 <Ainulindale> dos1: pong pong pong
Jan 27 17:55:16 <TAsn> finally, you two are in the same room at the same time :>
Jan 27 17:55:31 <dos1> ;D
Jan 27 17:55:32 <Ainulindale> Yeah but I'm about to leave anyways :-)
Jan 27 17:55:54 <dos1> Ainulindale: i think it's time for changing trac theme :P
Jan 27 17:56:07 <Ainulindale> dos1: yes ?
Jan 27 17:57:11 <TAsn> Ainulindale, please do it ;P
Jan 27 17:57:14 <TAsn> it's exactly a moment.
Jan 27 17:58:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, my phone behaves weird :P
Jan 27 17:58:28 <Ainulindale> errr
Jan 27 17:58:29 <Ainulindale> I can't
Jan 27 17:58:33 <Ainulindale> (anymore)
Jan 27 17:58:43 <TAsn> oh, right.
Jan 27 17:58:53 <Ainulindale> And thruth be told
Jan 27 17:58:54 <TAsn> dos1, you should contact the bearstech dudes.
Jan 27 17:59:03 <Ainulindale> I'd rather not ask personally things :-)
Jan 27 17:59:08 <TAsn> Ainulindale, figures.
Jan 27 17:59:17 <TAsn> Ainulindale, please provide a contact though.
Jan 27 17:59:22 <Ainulindale> There's one
Jan 27 17:59:36 <Ainulindale> He posted on shr-user & devel IIRC
Jan 27 17:59:58 <Ainulindale> I gave the mail to dos1 
Jan 27 18:00:03 <dos1> (long time passed after doing that theme... i don't remember which files i changed ;x searching for them now)
Jan 27 18:00:06 <dos1> Ainulindale: ok
Jan 27 18:00:14 <Ainulindale> Be precise in what you ask though he's a pain :-)
Jan 27 18:00:39 <Ainulindale> Sorry I can't do that myself but I'd rather let time go over some issues :-)
Jan 27 18:02:55 <TAsn> dos1, btw, please try to play with illume2 and make a decent theme :P
Jan 27 18:07:57 <graziano> http://live.defectivebydesign.org/
Jan 27 18:13:21 <JaMa> TAsn: I guess that segfault from ls is from busybox right?
Jan 27 18:13:27 <JaMa> TAsn: does it work without -l?
Jan 27 18:13:44 <TAsn> already rebooted
Jan 27 18:13:47 <TAsn> and now it doesn't seg
Jan 27 18:13:53 <JaMa> TAsn: I've never tested busybox as my images have coreutils already by default
Jan 27 18:13:55 <TAsn> I'm not in the mood for bug checking :P
Jan 27 18:15:01 <TAsn> JaMa, I don't have anything in illume2 (gsm gadget and etc)
Jan 27 18:15:03 <TAsn> is that normal?
Jan 27 18:15:41 <JaMa> TAsn: yes.. someone have to write them first..
Jan 27 18:15:51 <JaMa> has
Jan 27 18:16:29 <TAsn> makes sense :P
Jan 27 18:18:54 <JaMa> Q-Master: I guess you've already read backlog a bit to see why you have 2 icons sets..
Jan 27 18:20:09 <Q-Master> JaMa: yep. switched back to illume1, illume2 is unusable for me. I can't touch those little icons at a border of a Neo's screen.
Jan 27 18:20:26 <TAsn> iilume 1 segs :|
Jan 27 18:20:36 * TAsn hates himself for upgrading
Jan 27 18:22:29 <TAsn> WAIT
Jan 27 18:22:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, why is the numeric keyboard included in yesterday's image?
Jan 27 18:22:47 <TAsn> I thought we switched to the numeric-alt as default.
Jan 27 18:28:31 <TAsn> what's wrong with openmoko projects?
Jan 27 18:37:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: no idea
Jan 27 18:37:31 <mrmoku> TAsn: and elm_win_set_autodel does not work as expected :/
Jan 27 18:38:08 <mrmoku> ohh
Jan 27 18:38:09 <mrmoku> wait
Jan 27 18:38:11 <mrmoku> moment :P
Jan 27 18:40:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: so... yesterday's image is not good... :|
Jan 27 18:44:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, except for that (and the multi button on the bottom of the screen in illume1) the image is good.
Jan 27 18:45:09 <TAsn> mrmoku, it does work as expected if you register to the "del" signal
Jan 27 18:45:20 <TAsn> (or something like that)
Jan 27 18:45:36 <mrmoku> elm_win_autodel_set(win, EINA_FALSE)
Jan 27 18:45:44 <mrmoku> and a delete,request callback is registered
Jan 27 18:45:50 <mrmoku> (which does nothing)
Jan 27 18:46:23 <TAsn> that should mean the window won't close when pressing the X
Jan 27 18:46:37 <TAsn> does it work? :P
Jan 27 18:47:23 <mrmoku> no
Jan 27 18:47:27 <mrmoku> it just closes
Jan 27 18:48:13 <TAsn> are you sure you registered to the right signal
Jan 27 18:48:15 <mrmoku> TAsn: btw. I started an adjusted configuration for illume2
Jan 27 18:48:18 <TAsn> and that you did
Jan 27 18:48:28 <TAsn> elm_win_autodel_set(win, EINA_FALSE) *after* window_init
Jan 27 18:48:28 <TAsn> ?
Jan 27 18:50:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, network signal meter now works correctly in idle-screen, right?
Jan 27 18:50:12 <mrmoku> ThibG: evas_object_smart_callback_add(win->win, "delete-request", cb, win);
Jan 27 18:50:21 <mrmoku> err TAsn ^^
Jan 27 18:50:23 <TAsn> mrmoku, (configuration) cool.
Jan 27 18:50:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, looks wrong to me :P
Jan 27 18:50:43 <mrmoku> why?
Jan 27 18:50:48 <TAsn> are you sure you did it AFTER window init? (it = elm_win_autodel_set(win, EINA_FALSE))
Jan 27 18:50:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, because I remember a different name
Jan 27 18:50:58 <TAsn> but I may be wrong
Jan 27 18:50:59 <mrmoku> sure
Jan 27 18:52:17 <TAsn> evas_object_smart_callback_add(win, "delete,request", win_del, NULL);
Jan 27 18:52:23 <TAsn> from the e wiki
Jan 27 18:53:08 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^
Jan 27 18:55:33 <mrmoku> TAsn: yeah... but in the elementary source there's still both
Jan 27 18:55:39 <mrmoku> delete-request and delete,reqquest
Jan 27 18:55:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, i c, does it even get called?
Jan 27 18:56:02 <mrmoku>    evas_object_smart_callback_call(win->win_obj, "delete-request", NULL); // FIXME: remove me
Jan 27 18:56:30 <TAsn> so it might be a good idea NOT to use delete-request
Jan 27 18:56:32 <TAsn> anyway :P
Jan 27 18:56:33 <mrmoku> TAsn: I asked in #e now... and will do a small test app... don't want to call myself too often :P
Jan 27 18:56:53 <mrmoku> the delete-request is still from window.c
Jan 27 18:57:07 <mrmoku> window_delete_callback_set
Jan 27 18:57:22 <TAsn> told you window.c SUCKS :P
Jan 27 19:02:49 <TAsn> anyhow, the test app will probably work
Jan 27 19:02:55 <TAsn> I think I remember making one that works.
Jan 27 19:03:31 <daniele_athome> hi
Jan 27 19:03:39 <daniele_athome> with the new opimd I have to change messages too?
Jan 27 19:03:56 <daniele_athome> because I don't receive messages anymore since latest upgrade
Jan 27 19:04:03 <TAsn> ouch
Jan 27 19:04:19 <daniele_athome> well, gsm modem wakes up from suspend, but no message :(
Jan 27 19:04:36 <daniele_athome> maybe something related to tel: prefix...?
Jan 27 19:04:48 <TAsn> I doubt it
Jan 27 19:04:54 <daniele_athome> mmm
Jan 27 19:04:54 <TAsn> as it's been working for me for ages now.
Jan 27 19:05:20 <Q-Master> mrmoku|away: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3475/screenshot1g.png http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8884/screenshot2m.png http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2237/screenshot3gc.png
Jan 27 19:05:30 <ThibG> I think I've received messages since last upgrade
Jan 27 19:05:32 <mrmoku> Q-Master: already took a look
Jan 27 19:05:34 <ThibG> not sure, though
Jan 27 19:05:46 <daniele_athome> TAsn, anyway i need to see logs
Jan 27 19:05:47 <Q-Master> mrmoku: what can you tell?
Jan 27 19:06:00 <TAsn> daniele_athome, just verified
Jan 27 19:06:04 <TAsn> messages work for me.
Jan 27 19:06:21 <daniele_athome> ok I'll look at the logs and tell you
Jan 27 19:06:44 <mrmoku> Q-Master: no idea... the /h stuff was not there before?
Jan 27 19:06:48 <mrmoku> with old opimd?
Jan 27 19:07:08 <graziano> apple is presenting their latest restriction. Free Software Foundation activists are protesting outside. Follow the even live:  http://live.defectivebydesign.org/
Jan 27 19:07:16 <graziano> thank you
Jan 27 19:08:27 <daniele_athome> graziano, ehm:
Jan 27 19:08:27 <daniele_athome> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '}' in /var/www/live/live-rss.php on line 72 
Jan 27 19:08:33 <daniele_athome> :D
Jan 27 19:09:13 <pespin> mrmoku, about closing call... why don't you set the "illume close button" to start the "app close button" callback?
Jan 27 19:09:32 <mrmoku> pespin: discussing that in #e right now
Jan 27 19:09:48 <graziano> openmoko is a project about free software and freedom from restrictions, I thought you would be interested
Jan 27 19:10:03 <pespin> mrmoku, yeah, I saw it, but you are asking for blocking window closing
Jan 27 19:10:22 <pespin> I'm thinking on "good behaviour" when pressing illume close button
Jan 27 19:10:29 <pespin> so, to close as expected :P
Jan 27 19:10:41 <pespin> as I was pressing the close button inside the app
Jan 27 19:10:46 <mrmoku> pespin: that depends on your preferences... TAsn for example prefers to have it not close the window
Jan 27 19:10:59 <pespin> TAsn, why?
Jan 27 19:11:07 <mrmoku> pespin: guess in the end we might make that configurable... :|
Jan 27 19:11:10 <TAsn> pespin, because I usually mix things up
Jan 27 19:11:20 <TAsn> i.e
Jan 27 19:11:23 <TAsn> I try to close an app
Jan 27 19:11:26 <pespin> Usually the close button is used to close apps, not to just "do nothing" :P
Jan 27 19:11:27 <TAsn> and a call pops in
Jan 27 19:11:28 <TAsn> ...
Jan 27 19:11:38 <TAsn> so I end up closing that.
Jan 27 19:11:55 <pespin> hm well you could map the illume close button only when the call is active
Jan 27 19:12:13 <TAsn> pespin, that's reasonable
Jan 27 19:12:24 <TAsn> I was referring mostly to incoming calls.
Jan 27 19:12:36 <pespin> yeah
Jan 27 19:12:41 <daniele_athome> graziano, there is a page error on that URL you pasted
Jan 27 19:13:21 <pespin> so map the close buttons in "Get Call" button or whatever is called :)
Jan 27 19:13:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, new image feels WAY faster
Jan 27 19:13:32 <TAsn> no idea why :P
Jan 27 19:14:01 <pespin> I think it will be easier than using ecore and that stuff to block it :)
Jan 27 19:14:26 <TAsn> pespin, that's crazy
Jan 27 19:14:41 <Q-Master> mrmoku: It happened since pre-previous upgrade. And doubled contacts also appeared since there.
Jan 27 19:14:47 <TAsn> I just said I want to bind the delete request
Jan 27 19:14:48 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 19:15:00 <TAsn> Q-Master, so you have something wrong with your sqlite db.
Jan 27 19:15:02 <TAsn> I assume.
Jan 27 19:15:04 <TAsn> contact dos1 
Jan 27 19:15:09 <Q-Master> TAsn: not sure.
Jan 27 19:15:19 <TAsn> that's why I assumed ;P
Jan 27 19:15:22 <TAsn> I'm not really sure.
Jan 27 19:15:57 <graziano> daniele_athome, no
Jan 27 19:16:17 <daniele_athome> graziano, now no :)
Jan 27 19:17:27 <pespin> TAsn, it might be crazy, but it was what mrmoku was asking for some mins ago if I did understand correctly :P
Jan 27 19:17:40 <TAsn> pespin, an ecore hack? no.
Jan 27 19:17:51 <TAsn> he just wanted to know how to bind that X and make it do nothing
Jan 27 19:19:57 <mrmoku> TAsn: well... not possible right now
Jan 27 19:20:13 <mrmoku> but devilhorn will take care and implement it :)
Jan 27 19:20:29 <TAsn> saw it :P
Jan 27 19:20:31 <TAsn> thanks.
Jan 27 19:20:46 <TAsn> btw, mrmoku, just a reminder (in case you don't know)
Jan 27 19:21:02 <TAsn> elementary has a way to specify the wanted keyboard for a widget
Jan 27 19:21:17 <TAsn> that's why I didn't make an equivalent to that ugly function window.c suggested.
Jan 27 19:21:20 <mrmoku> does that work? did not long time ago :P
Jan 27 19:21:28 <TAsn> no idea.
Jan 27 19:22:46 <mrmoku> TAsn,pespin: so... make it configurable? :P
Jan 27 19:22:51 <TAsn> no
Jan 27 19:22:54 <TAsn> just make it hang up
Jan 27 19:23:11 <Q-Master> TAsn: the db is ok. seems that it is opimd problem.
Jan 27 19:23:15 <TAsn> and in the incoming incoming screen make it locked
Jan 27 19:23:19 <TAsn> (i.e does nothing)
Jan 27 19:23:25 <TAsn> Q-Master, blame dos :P
Jan 27 19:23:27 <Q-Master> opimd-contacts shows the same
Jan 27 19:23:32 <TAsn> okie.
Jan 27 19:23:34 <Q-Master> dos1: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 27 19:23:35 <TAsn> so yeah, it is.
Jan 27 19:23:48 <mrmoku> TAsn: there won't be incoming/active call screen in the future... just one screen
Jan 27 19:23:56 <mrmoku> so if that one screen contains incoming calls make it do nothing
Jan 27 19:24:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah.
Jan 27 19:24:04 <mrmoku> and if only active calls hang all up, right?
Jan 27 19:24:15 <TAsn> yes.
Jan 27 19:24:26 <TAsn> or more correctly
Jan 27 19:24:36 <TAsn> if there's no active call, do nothing, otherwise, hang up
Jan 27 19:24:49 <dos1> Q-Master: what's the problem?
Jan 27 19:25:02 <TAsn> because we can get several calls
Jan 27 19:25:07 <TAsn> (call waiting and such)
Jan 27 19:25:12 <dos1> Q-Master: ah, i see
Jan 27 19:25:15 <TAsn> so this definition is "easier" to handle :P
Jan 27 19:25:23 <dos1> Q-Master: are you sure your db is ok?
Jan 27 19:25:43 <Q-Master> dos1: look to the sshots.
Jan 27 19:25:53 <Q-Master> dos1: almost definitely
Jan 27 19:26:03 <mrmoku> TAsn: well... you might have one active and one incoming call...
Jan 27 19:26:11 <dos1> Q-Master: almost? did you look at it with sqlite3?
Jan 27 19:26:23 <Q-Master> checking now
Jan 27 19:27:09 <Q-Master> dos1: yes. db is ok, but opimd-cli shows crappy name on this contact.
Jan 27 19:27:22 <TAsn> yes, and in this case, it should hang up both.
Jan 27 19:27:29 <TAsn> (as it'll be the same screen)
Jan 27 19:27:40 <dos1> Q-Master: well, your problem is with crappy name or with duplicated names differing with endings?
Jan 27 19:28:04 <TAsn> dos1, I don't think he needs to explain what went wrong :P
Jan 27 19:28:41 <Q-Master> dos1: opimd shows some names doubled with different endings. some are cut.
Jan 27 19:29:08 <dos1> strange
Jan 27 19:29:08 <pespin> mrmoku, +1 to configure. We all love configurations!
Jan 27 19:29:19 <mrmoku> :P
Jan 27 19:29:22 <mrmoku> brb
Jan 27 19:29:39 <TAsn> pespin, I disagree.
Jan 27 19:29:50 <TAsn> too much configuration can be annoying
Jan 27 19:31:20 <pespin> yeah, just look at kde :P
Jan 27 19:31:36 * pespin hides
Jan 27 19:33:43 <TAsn> I don't use kde
Jan 27 19:33:54 <Q-Master> you should. 8)
Jan 27 19:33:56 <TAsn> nah.
Jan 27 19:33:57 <pespin> me neither hehe
Jan 27 19:34:08 <Q-Master> yakuake roxx 8)
Jan 27 19:34:10 <TAsn> I manage my own windows.
Jan 27 19:35:01 <TAsn> (j/k)
Jan 27 19:41:28 <TAsn> JaMa, btw, what's up with .32? :P
Jan 27 19:43:24 <JaMa> TAsn: suspend/resume issues..
Jan 27 19:43:37 <TAsn> how about sound?
Jan 27 19:43:45 <JaMa> sound works
Jan 27 19:43:50 <TAsn> so only suspend/resume?
Jan 27 19:44:08 <JaMa> if you use mrmoku's script for kernel switch 
Jan 27 19:44:26 <JaMa> alsa state files/gps/gsm node is set right with that
Jan 27 19:44:49 <TAsn> that can be fixed with configuration
Jan 27 19:45:00 <TAsn> so I'm fine with that.
Jan 27 19:45:05 <JaMa> where?
Jan 27 19:45:15 <TAsn> so it seems I got you wrong
Jan 27 19:45:28 <JaMa> configuration = sed in python source? :)
Jan 27 19:45:57 <mrmoku> TAsn: I have WSoD after screen blanking (without suspend)
Jan 27 19:45:58 <JaMa> TAsn: that script change those paths in frameworkd..
Jan 27 19:46:08 <TAsn> OH
Jan 27 19:46:11 <TAsn> now I get you :P
Jan 27 19:46:13 <TAsn> ok
Jan 27 19:46:17 <mrmoku> JaMa: btw. there is an error in the script...
Jan 27 19:46:31 <JaMa> mrmoku: where?
Jan 27 19:46:33 <mrmoku> the sound module file in /etc/modules got renamed
Jan 27 19:47:24 <JaMa> mrmoku: ah yes.. I ignore that.. and in my images I have the right file already created (because I have virtual/linux provider set to .32)
Jan 27 19:49:11 <TAsn> Weiss, no pressure, but how are you drivers doing? :P
Jan 27 19:49:24 <TAsn> or actually: how is your driver doing?
Jan 27 20:19:34 <Q-Master> hm. after reboot and "2010.01.27 23:15:15.984 ogsmd                INFO     full readyness now True" frameworkd stayed eating >60% of CPU
Jan 27 20:21:38 <mrmoku> Q-Master: that probably is when opimd pulls in the contacts from SIM...
Jan 27 20:21:54 <alabd> Hello ,  Can a voice recorder software be installed on SIM card ? 
Jan 27 20:22:11 <Q-Master> mrmoku: that's the reason of not suspending. It suspends ok after that.
Jan 27 20:22:53 <max_posedon> alabd, on sim card?
Jan 27 20:23:09 <alabd> max_posedon:  yes 
Jan 27 20:23:14 <max_posedon> sim doesn't doing anything with voice, and really small (about 256kb max)
Jan 27 20:23:28 <max_posedon> for any app or for saving streams
Jan 27 20:24:27 <alabd> max_posedon:  not to save just stream it onto signals to mobile center
Jan 27 20:24:49 <max_posedon> alabd, sim can't do it
Jan 27 20:24:57 <max_posedon> sim is just very-small-storage
Jan 27 20:25:08 <max_posedon> with-very-stupid-firmware
Jan 27 20:25:18 <alabd> max_posedon:  256 kb ? 
Jan 27 20:25:25 <max_posedon> your calls doesn't go through sim
Jan 27 20:25:26 <max_posedon> yes
Jan 27 20:25:47 <max_posedon> voice goes through sound card and gsm chip
Jan 27 20:25:52 <TAsn> max_posedon, <alabd> Hello ,  Can a voice recorder software be installed on SIM card ? 
Jan 27 20:25:56 <TAsn> not entirely correct
Jan 27 20:25:57 <alabd> maybe an app with assembely can do that 
Jan 27 20:26:00 <TAsn> I mean
Jan 27 20:26:08 <TAsn> <max_posedon> alabd, sim can't do it
Jan 27 20:26:13 <TAsn> not entirely correct
Jan 27 20:26:14 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 20:26:23 <alabd> TAsn: but humble read somewhere they have OS
Jan 27 20:26:45 <TAsn> alabd, you can actually install applications on the sim card
Jan 27 20:26:45 <max_posedon> alabd, once more
Jan 27 20:26:50 <TAsn> max_posedon, ^
Jan 27 20:27:01 <max_posedon> mic<->sound-card<->gsm
Jan 27 20:27:07 <max_posedon> no ANY sim in this path
Jan 27 20:27:09 <TAsn> max_posedon, in the moko
Jan 27 20:27:17 <max_posedon> TAsn, at any device)
Jan 27 20:27:19 <TAsn> max_posedon, sim = gsm = modem
Jan 27 20:27:25 <max_posedon> no any voice goes through SIM
Jan 27 20:27:27 <TAsn> max_posedon, normal devices don't have sound cards
Jan 27 20:27:44 <max_posedon> sim is "storage with passwords" for gsm
Jan 27 20:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> sim *can* implement hidden call divertion, so your call doesn't go to destination you dialed, but in fact rather to hidden "central-in-the-middle"
Jan 27 20:28:26 <TAsn> max_posedon, (doc) exactly
Jan 27 20:28:43 <TAsn> furthermore, carriers can use the sim to do crazy stuff to your phone
Jan 27 20:29:02 <TAsn> max_posedon, actually, when it comes to gsm, assume the worst
Jan 27 20:29:06 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbe22540af71b 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: 
Jan 27 20:29:06 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: kernel26_powersupply: add more info in
Jan 27 20:29:06 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetInfo()
Jan 27 20:29:59 <TAsn> GSM was developed by governments for governments (I'm not sure if it's true historically but it sure as hell true design wise)
Jan 27 20:30:01 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 20:30:07 <max_posedon> TAsn, only if they before sells your crazy phone with crazy firmware)
Jan 27 20:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> though max_posedon is correct. The interface to sim isn't designed to do any streaming. And sim cpu is too weak to do that. And calypso firmware won't allow that anyway
Jan 27 20:31:18 <alabd> humble mean any kind of cellphone 
Jan 27 20:31:24 <alabd> not just fr
Jan 27 20:31:27 <TAsn> max_posedon, I'm talking about those plain nokias you probably had a few years ago
Jan 27 20:31:38 <max_posedon> TAsn, but still, sim is sim
Jan 27 20:31:44 <TAsn> alabd, so it's a definite YES
Jan 27 20:31:49 <max_posedon> it isn't "phone or modem or gsm or whatever"
Jan 27 20:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: SIM CAN'T CHANGE CELLPHONE FIRMWARE THAT BASICALLY
Jan 27 20:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: OOOOOps sorry capslock
Jan 27 20:32:17 <TAsn> max_posedon, of course, I was just trying to clarify what he weant.
Jan 27 20:32:18 <TAsn> meant*
Jan 27 20:32:43 <TAsn> max_posedon, and IIRC you can install small java applications on sim cards (you = carriers)
Jan 27 20:32:45 <alabd> see can goverment write an app on sim card to stream voice even when phone is off ?
Jan 27 20:33:02 <TAsn> alabd, not quite
Jan 27 20:33:06 <TAsn> but they can wake it up
Jan 27 20:33:10 <TAsn> (only the modem)
Jan 27 20:33:17 <TAsn> and make it stream the voice from the room
Jan 27 20:33:27 <TAsn> to them
Jan 27 20:33:27 <max_posedon> alabd, they can't
Jan 27 20:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: yep you have SAT (sim application toolkit). but it has no means to access audio stream
Jan 27 20:33:44 <max_posedon> alabd, they only can do such custom phone
Jan 27 20:33:52 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, but you can turn the modem on, register to network and start a call without turning on the phone
Jan 27 20:33:53 <max_posedon> with custom sim
Jan 27 20:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: definitely NO. they can not
Jan 27 20:34:02 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, yes they can.
Jan 27 20:34:24 <TAsn> they can turn on the modem
Jan 27 20:34:27 <TAsn> register to network
Jan 27 20:34:32 <DocScrutinizer> nonsense.
Jan 27 20:34:32 <TAsn> and start a call
Jan 27 20:34:38 <TAsn> without turning the phone
Jan 27 20:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> they can initiate a call. as I said above
Jan 27 20:34:56 <TAsn> exactly what I'm saying
Jan 27 20:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> and they can blank the display
Jan 27 20:35:07 <TAsn> initiating a call = wiretapping
Jan 27 20:35:08 <TAsn> ...
Jan 27 20:35:08 <max_posedon> TAsn, they can't
Jan 27 20:35:16 <TAsn> max_posedon, even DocScrutinizer agrees with me.
Jan 27 20:35:16 <max_posedon> firmware do all this stuff
Jan 27 20:35:18 <DocScrutinizer> they can NOT switch on the phone
Jan 27 20:35:23 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, modem.
Jan 27 20:35:42 <alabd> TAsn:  so they can have voice
Jan 27 20:35:47 <alabd> and record 
Jan 27 20:35:49 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-27 21:32:45] <alabd> see can goverment write an app on sim card to stream voice even when phone is off ?
Jan 27 20:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> PHONE
Jan 27 20:35:56 <TAsn> the modem is still alive even when the phone is off (at least that's what I remember)
Jan 27 20:36:03 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, you are being too picky
Jan 27 20:36:06 <TAsn> alabd, yes, and record.
Jan 27 20:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> no it isn't
Jan 27 20:36:12 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, he's generally asking
Jan 27 20:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> and I'm answering generally
Jan 27 20:36:35 <TAsn> whether someone can wiretap a room using a generic turned off phone
Jan 27 20:36:36 <alabd> TAsn: and that is possible for any kind s of phobnes ? nokia motorolla ... ?
Jan 27 20:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: NO
Jan 27 20:36:49 <TAsn> alabd, actually, it's *not* possible on the moko
Jan 27 20:36:54 <DocScrutinizer> forget TAsn 
Jan 27 20:36:59 <TAsn> because we have a sound card between the mic and the gsm modem
Jan 27 20:37:11 <DocScrutinizer> it's impossible on *any* standard phone
Jan 27 20:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> government needs to tweak phones *firmware*
Jan 27 20:37:33 <alabd> DocScrutinizer standard phone = =phones with sound card ?
Jan 27 20:37:35 <TAsn> but in other phones where they are connected without a sound card it is possible
Jan 27 20:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> it is not enough to tweak the sim
Jan 27 20:37:43 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, :P
Jan 27 20:37:57 <TAsn> <DocScrutinizer> forget TAsn 
Jan 27 20:38:19 <alabd> tandard phone = =phones with sound card ?
Jan 27 20:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: you're telling bullshit
Jan 27 20:38:54 <DocScrutinizer> sorry for explicit speech
Jan 27 20:39:06 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, it's ok.
Jan 27 20:39:13 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, lets start with something else then
Jan 27 20:39:18 <TAsn> do you agree that a phone that appears to be off
Jan 27 20:39:36 <TAsn> can be wiretapped and voice sent to the govt?
Jan 27 20:39:43 <TAsn> any generic phone?
Jan 27 20:39:52 <DocScrutinizer> yes, if you patch the firmware
Jan 27 20:39:54 <alabd> without sound card
Jan 27 20:40:09 <alabd> why firmware DocScrutinizer 
Jan 27 20:40:16 <TAsn> alabd, of course, a sound card will bust everything
Jan 27 20:40:18 <DocScrutinizer> forget soundcard, doesn't make any diff
Jan 27 20:40:25 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, sure it does
Jan 27 20:40:29 <TAsn> you can just turn off mic
Jan 27 20:40:34 <TAsn> in sound card
Jan 27 20:40:37 <TAsn> which the modem doesn't control
Jan 27 20:40:56 <alabd> so ?
Jan 27 20:40:57 <TAsn> anyhow DocScrutinizer 
Jan 27 20:41:01 <DocScrutinizer> usual phones have no soundcard
Jan 27 20:41:07 <TAsn> the carrier can install stuff remotely
Jan 27 20:41:22 <DocScrutinizer> usually not the Firmware
Jan 27 20:41:23 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I know (you taught me that)
Jan 27 20:41:24 <Wonka> if you can modify The Firmware in a away that GSM gets powered on, you can also have the sound codec connect mic and gsm
Jan 27 20:41:51 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I know
Jan 27 20:41:55 <DocScrutinizer> Wonka: exactly
Jan 27 20:42:03 <TAsn> but usually those apps can let you complete control
Jan 27 20:42:16 <alabd> TAsn: those app on sim ?
Jan 27 20:42:17 <TAsn> Wonka, really? from the modem's firmware?
Jan 27 20:42:25 <TAsn> alabd, yes.
Jan 27 20:42:32 <TAsn> THC wrote something about them a long time ago
Jan 27 20:42:35 <TAsn> can't find the reference
Jan 27 20:42:48 <max_posedon> Do you know what I want say you?
Jan 27 20:42:52 <Wonka> TAsn: no. but on FR, modem firmware alone cannot power modem on
Jan 27 20:42:58 <TAsn> http://wiki.thc.org/
Jan 27 20:42:59 <max_posedon> your ideas are BS, do you know why?
Jan 27 20:43:11 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: on most phones there is no soundcard, no app processor, and only GSM firmware which does all in one
Jan 27 20:43:14 <TAsn> Wonka, we are not talking about the FR
Jan 27 20:43:20 <max_posedon> because its so easy for goverment ask mobile providers
Jan 27 20:43:26 <max_posedon> just record all your calls
Jan 27 20:43:33 <TAsn> max_posedon, we are not talking about calls
Jan 27 20:43:36 <Wonka> TAsn: then what sound codec are we talking about?
Jan 27 20:43:40 <max_posedon> they just don't need your phones
Jan 27 20:43:49 <TAsn> we are talking about listening to a room
Jan 27 20:43:56 <TAsn> when there's a cellphone in.
Jan 27 20:44:29 <alabd> and cell is off of course 
Jan 27 20:44:36 <TAsn> Wonka, we are not talking about a sound codec, we are talking about a generic nokia phone without a sound card. I just mentioned that I don't think you can modify the sound card from the modem (on the fr)
Jan 27 20:44:42 <DocScrutinizer> can't be done when you haven't patched THE FRIMWARE
Jan 27 20:44:44 <TAsn> alabd, that's the second step.
Jan 27 20:44:53 <TAsn> alabd, atm we'll allow "appears to be off"
Jan 27 20:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: if you switch off your phone - it's OFF
Jan 27 20:45:49 <Wonka> btw, my Siemens S65 will alert me to an appointment even when it is "off"
Jan 27 20:46:03 <alabd> yes
Jan 27 20:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> if you look at it it may appear off but you need to switch it off to know it's actually off
Jan 27 20:46:09 <Wonka> dark screen and all
Jan 27 20:46:13 <alabd> so it is not off completely
Jan 27 20:46:24 <alabd> somewhere is on 
Jan 27 20:46:36 <Wonka> more off would mean taking the bat out
Jan 27 20:46:59 <TAsn> Wonka, that's what I'm saying
Jan 27 20:47:04 <TAsn> that phones are not really off
Jan 27 20:47:04 <TAsn> ever
Jan 27 20:47:08 <alabd> again :
Jan 27 20:47:09 <alabd> see can goverment write an app on sim card to stream voice even when phone is off ?
Jan 27 20:47:21 <DocScrutinizer> Wonka: ack. TAsn: stop to scare alabd - he's paranoid enough without your urban legends ;-)
Jan 27 20:47:28 <TAsn> alabd, I'm saying YES.
Jan 27 20:47:36 <TAsn> but as you can see, everyone else are skeptic :P
Jan 27 20:47:41 <TAsn> alabd, let's put it this way
Jan 27 20:47:55 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: NO!!!!
Jan 27 20:48:10 <TAsn> If you are a terrorist don't leave a phone open while planning to assassinate obama
Jan 27 20:48:11 <alabd> DocScrutinizer any phone ?
Jan 27 20:48:22 <DocScrutinizer> how many times I have to tell you they need to patch your FIRMWARE
Jan 27 20:48:32 <DocScrutinizer> any phone
Jan 27 20:49:10 <TAsn> alabd, page is down: http://wiki.thc.org/gsm/simtoolkit
Jan 27 20:49:16 <TAsn> but it used to contain more info about sim
Jan 27 20:49:19 <TAsn> and installing sw on them.
Jan 27 20:49:31 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: that'S SAT
Jan 27 20:49:38 <TAsn> I know.
Jan 27 20:49:53 <DocScrutinizer> and I told ya what it can do and what it can't
Jan 27 20:50:01 <alabd> DocScrutinizer but TAsn says they can wake modem up when phone is off
Jan 27 20:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> they could do that, but it won't go unnoticed
Jan 27 20:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> so basically they can't
Jan 27 20:51:05 <alabd> what do you mean of they could ? 
Jan 27 20:51:29 <alabd> you mean for waking modem up they should patch fw also ?
Jan 27 20:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> they could set a alarm, as wonka said. so your alarm clock goes off waking the phone. would you igbnore that?
Jan 27 20:52:17 <DocScrutinizer> this could be done with sim alone
Jan 27 20:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> no other way to start the phone
Jan 27 20:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> when it's off
Jan 27 20:53:04 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, can they control the mixer that sets which goes to the speaker, gsm or alarm?
Jan 27 20:53:05 <alabd> DocScrutinizer no need to start phone just start modem 
Jan 27 20:53:12 <TAsn> if so you can make a silent alarm with a shut down screen
Jan 27 20:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> usually there is no mixer
Jan 27 20:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> and if there's a mixer (FR, HTC, etc) then you can'T control it from sim
Jan 27 20:54:09 <TAsn> of course
Jan 27 20:54:18 <TAsn> than what controls (in old phones)
Jan 27 20:54:23 <TAsn> piping of sound?
Jan 27 20:54:28 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: how to start modem when phone is off?????
Jan 27 20:54:29 <TAsn> oops, I didn't mean a mixer
Jan 27 20:54:31 <TAsn> I meant a switch
Jan 27 20:55:21 <alabd> TAsn:  answer DocScrutinizer question 
Jan 27 20:55:28 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: on "old" phones there is a fixed sequence that gets started on alarm
Jan 27 20:55:56 <alabd> TAsn: how to start modem when phone is off?????
Jan 27 20:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> there is no way
Jan 27 20:56:25 <TAsn> alabd, from what I know, but this may be a myth, modems still listen when phone is off.
Jan 27 20:56:57 <alabd> TAsn: DocScrutinizer so modem is on while phone is off yes ?
Jan 27 20:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> *only* phone on gods wide earth to have modem on and phone off is NEO1973
Jan 27 20:57:25 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 20:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: that's bullshit another time
Jan 27 20:57:57 <alabd> modem is on while phone is off yes ?
Jan 27 20:58:15 <mickeyl> s/phone/AP/
Jan 27 20:58:19 <mickeyl> s/modem/BP/
Jan 27 20:58:23 <mickeyl> to make it clear
Jan 27 20:58:28 <DocScrutinizer> alabd: pathological nonfunctional state on NEO1973 *only*
Jan 27 20:58:56 * DocScrutinizer sighs and hands over steer of this jumbo to mickeyl
Jan 27 20:59:04 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, :P
Jan 27 21:00:40 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 27 21:00:51 * mickeyl looks for something to flash on the adp1
Jan 27 21:01:08 <TAsn> to sum things (my things) up: it can be done.
Jan 27 21:01:23 <alabd> TAsn: just tha way ?
Jan 27 21:01:44 <TAsn> I don't know if you first need the phone to be on
Jan 27 21:01:50 <TAsn> in order to install SAT applications
Jan 27 21:01:57 <TAsn> and then let someone turn it off
Jan 27 21:02:03 <TAsn> but fact is, it can be done.
Jan 27 21:02:17 <TAsn> but there is something we all agree on
Jan 27 21:02:33 <TAsn> it can be done with a turned on phone
Jan 27 21:02:37 <TAsn> while blanking the screen
Jan 27 21:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> btw: yeah alabd believe tasn. he got not the best knowledge but the best stubborness
Jan 27 21:02:41 <TAsn> and letting you think it's off
Jan 27 21:02:57 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I swear to god, that's exactly what I told him in pm :P
Jan 27 21:03:05 <TAsn> I'm talking about this: <DocScrutinizer> btw: yeah alabd believe tasn. he got not the best knowledge but the best stubborness
Jan 27 21:03:06 <TAsn> I said
Jan 27 21:03:14 <TAsn> <TAsn> I know it can be done.
Jan 27 21:03:14 <TAsn> <TAsn> they disagree
Jan 27 21:03:14 <TAsn> <TAsn> they know more than me
Jan 27 21:03:14 <TAsn> <TAsn> though I'm pretty sure I'm right :P
Jan 27 21:06:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, in conclusion, I'm not dissing you, I know that you know better than me on gsm and mobiles, I don't know much. But I do know (remember) what he suggested is possible.
Jan 27 21:06:49 <TAsn> alabd, if you don't mind me asking, why are you asking?
Jan 27 21:08:18 <alabd> TAsn:  when did humble say that ?
Jan 27 21:08:57 <TAsn> <alabd> Hello ,  Can a voice recorder software be installed on SIM card ? 
Jan 27 21:09:04 <TAsn> and then you asked about phones turned off
Jan 27 21:09:08 <TAsn> I'm just wondering why :P
Jan 27 21:10:08 <ThibG> hm, how to specify profile in a persistent fashion?
Jan 27 21:10:30 <alabd> TAsn: It's story is long ... but what is your difference with DocScrutinizer 
Jan 27 21:10:39 <TAsn> ThibG, be more persistent yourself :P
Jan 27 21:10:50 <ThibG> (I prefer the vibrate profile, but the profile setting isn't persistent)
Jan 27 21:11:01 <ThibG> (moreover, since shr-settings is currently broken...)
Jan 27 21:11:01 <TAsn> put a postit on the back of the phone, reminding yourself to change the profile when you turn the phone on :P
Jan 27 21:11:28 <TAsn> alabd, please tell the story (or at least a summary)
Jan 27 21:11:35 <TAsn> difference with DocScrutinizer ? uhh? ;P
Jan 27 21:11:48 <alabd> TAsn:  story is in question
Jan 27 21:12:16 <TAsn> nvm
Jan 27 21:12:18 <TAsn> gtg :P
Jan 27 21:12:22 <TAsn> night all.
Jan 27 21:12:25 <alabd> we think our govermnet is able to stream/record room voice via cellphones even they are offf
Jan 27 21:13:21 <TAsn> alabd, where are you from?
Jan 27 21:13:23 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: usually not. except when government had hands on your phone for 3minutes
Jan 27 21:13:51 <alabd> DocScrutinizer to patch fw yes ?
Jan 27 21:14:13 <TAsn> alabd, where are you from?
Jan 27 21:14:18 <alabd> DocScrutinizer how about when phones are on ? also needs patch ?
Jan 27 21:14:32 <alabd>  TAsn cann't say 
Jan 27 21:14:39 <TAsn> hehe, why?
Jan 27 21:14:48 <TAsn> it's only a country, not an address
Jan 27 21:15:01 <alabd> cause of this story 
Jan 27 21:15:04 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: you will notice whenever they do that eavesdropping, as your phone goes to 'drdrrrdrdrrr' in next radio or speaker or whatever you are used to find same interference while usual phonecall
Jan 27 21:15:21 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: exactly. to patchmfw
Jan 27 21:16:00 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, but if it's far enough from the speaker he won't be able to tell.
Jan 27 21:16:04 <TAsn> alabd, oh come on.
Jan 27 21:16:13 <ThibG> only comics heroes do that, but they're even better at it: you're phone is constantly sending and receiving sounds that you didn't ever think that your hardware were capable of!
Jan 27 21:16:29 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: so as odds are they will be spotted very easily on doing so@they probably wont
Jan 27 21:16:45 <TAsn> alabd, the fact that you don't want to say must mean you are from a non western country
Jan 27 21:17:07 <TAsn> that's my detective work
Jan 27 21:17:10 <DocScrutinizer51> you bet he isn't
Jan 27 21:17:34 <alabd> DocScrutinizer TAsn :D
Jan 27 21:17:43 <TAsn> I guess you are from iran/iraq/syria/saudi arabia
Jan 27 21:17:43 <JaMa> DocScrutinizer51, TAsn, alabd: I have answer for you all :), Last book I've read was "Raymond Khoury: The Sanctuary" and CIA agents were using exactly this way for eavesdropping in Baghdad.. so it's possible for sure :))
Jan 27 21:17:46 <TAsn> I don't know what.
Jan 27 21:18:06 <alabd> hi PaulFertser 
Jan 27 21:18:10 <TAsn> JaMa, I know it's possible. :P But thanks for the support.
Jan 27 21:18:17 <PaulFer``> alabd: hi :)
Jan 27 21:18:23 <DocScrutinizer51> oooh yeah. so now it's too muh for me
Jan 27 21:18:26 <PaulFer``> alabd: i see you got a cloak, good for you :)
Jan 27 21:18:43 <TAsn> PaulFer``, HA
Jan 27 21:18:48 <PaulFer``> JaMa: exactly how?
Jan 27 21:18:49 <TAsn> this means I can search the logs
Jan 27 21:18:53 <TAsn> to see where he is from
Jan 27 21:18:54 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:19:05 <PaulFer``> TAsn: well, do not bother, why care?
Jan 27 21:19:13 <TAsn> PaulFer``, I don't really care :P
Jan 27 21:19:25 <alabd> TAsn: so leave it
Jan 27 21:19:31 <JaMa> PaulFer``: I fear you have to read whole backlog ~hour back... really serious stuff here :) and DocS a bit pissed ...
Jan 27 21:19:34 <TAsn> alabd, :P
Jan 27 21:19:40 <PaulFer``> alabd: One can ask you to receive a file over dcc and it might reveal your ip.
Jan 27 21:19:42 <alabd> jama even phone is off it is possible how ?
Jan 27 21:19:44 <TAsn> alabd, just left it.
Jan 27 21:20:08 <TAsn> alabd, just a small tip
Jan 27 21:20:10 <DocScrutinizer51> TAsn: shut up or the mossad will kill *you* while shitting
Jan 27 21:20:17 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, I knew it!
Jan 27 21:20:22 <TAsn> you are part of the mossad
Jan 27 21:20:31 <TAsn> I was wondering why you were trying to cover this up! :P
Jan 27 21:20:45 <TAsn> alabd, anyhow, a small tip:
Jan 27 21:20:45 <JaMa> alabd: DocScrutinizer51 and TAsn told you enough.. I won't continue in this conversation..
Jan 27 21:21:08 <TAsn> you are using an unencrypted connection
Jan 27 21:21:19 <PaulFer``> JaMa: it seems highly unlikely anybody can use unmodified GSM cellphones at will for the eavesdropping.
Jan 27 21:21:20 <TAsn> in a country you suspect is wiretapping your phone
Jan 27 21:21:20 <alabd> JaMa:  how ?
Jan 27 21:21:40 <TAsn> that's just a bad idea
Jan 27 21:21:42 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:21:59 <PaulFer``> TAsn: how do you know he's not using ssl to connect to freenode?
Jan 27 21:22:12 <misc> PaulFer``: freenode do not offer ssl 
Jan 27 21:22:17 <TAsn> PaulFer``, ^
Jan 27 21:22:18 <Wonka> _that_ is a bad idea: http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1264625500190.jpg
Jan 27 21:22:18 <TAsn> exactly
Jan 27 21:22:29 <TAsn> I usually use ssl in everything I do
Jan 27 21:22:35 <TAsn> freenode is the only exception
Jan 27 21:22:47 <TAsn> I even sometimes use tor
Jan 27 21:22:48 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:22:50 <misc> in a few day, ssl will be enabled
Jan 27 21:22:55 <TAsn> Wonka, ++
Jan 27 21:23:00 <TAsn> misc, really? :P
Jan 27 21:23:06 <TAsn> FINALLY
Jan 27 21:23:23 <TAsn> I've been refreshing the Freenode FAQ eagerly for years now ;P
Jan 27 21:23:37 <misc> TAsn: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess 
Jan 27 21:23:47 <misc> TAsn: you need to refresh one more time :)
Jan 27 21:23:54 <TAsn> misc, :P
Jan 27 21:24:10 <alabd> JaMa:  does cia method work when phone is off also ?
Jan 27 21:24:11 <JaMa> PaulFer``: I agree.. I was just kidding.. that I've read the same, as alabd is asking now for real, in some fiction book few days ago..
Jan 27 21:25:11 <TAsn> misc, I already read this.
Jan 27 21:25:19 <TAsn> no real info there.
Jan 27 21:25:49 <JaMa> PaulFer``: but on other site.. I can imagine some strict government like China making sure that every cellphone on market is a bit modified already
Jan 27 21:26:04 <TAsn> JaMa, that's for sure
Jan 27 21:26:16 <TAsn> but we are not talking about those.
Jan 27 21:26:20 <PaulFer``> JaMa: too easy to trace due to GSM nature which makes an audible interference.
Jan 27 21:26:23 <misc> TAsn: well, they say this will be enabled once ircd-seven is deployed, they also said in the blog 
Jan 27 21:26:28 <JaMa> PaulFer``: so enough room for few paranoics to be scared like shit in every room with some cellphone :)
Jan 27 21:27:06 <JaMa> PaulFer``: yes.. if you care enough to trace it..
Jan 27 21:28:11 <TAsn> misc, sweet, just read the blog post, FINALLY :P
Jan 27 21:28:11 <alabd> JaMa:  does cia method work when phone is off also ?
Jan 27 21:28:11 <JaMa> well my old nokia phone was interferring every few mins.. and I never cared if that's time sync, checking new sms existence or eavesdropping... :)
Jan 27 21:28:42 <alabd> JaMa:  that is for while phone is on 
Jan 27 21:28:50 <TAsn> PaulFer``, fact is, that phones interfere with speakers even when not in use in low reception places (offices)
Jan 27 21:29:01 <TAsn> and people don't care about that
Jan 27 21:29:04 <alabd> but DocScrutinizer belives that when phone is off it is not possible
Jan 27 21:29:35 <JaMa> alabd: in that book yes.. in real life I have no idea, I agree with all (except tasn) that unmodified generic cellphone NO
Jan 27 21:29:50 <TAsn> PaulFer``, so this is not really a valid point.
Jan 27 21:30:07 <TAsn> know what?
Jan 27 21:30:11 <TAsn> I dare you
Jan 27 21:30:25 <PaulFer``> TAsn: not really! That interference sounds really different
Jan 27 21:30:35 <TAsn> to sit in a room with a liberal activist in china
Jan 27 21:30:39 <TAsn> and plot against the govt.
Jan 27 21:30:54 <TAsn> with his cellphone off on the table
Jan 27 21:30:54 <TAsn> :)
Jan 27 21:30:57 <alabd> JaMa:  but TAsn  is sure and says YES 
Jan 27 21:31:18 <TAsn> alabd, to be on the safe side
Jan 27 21:31:26 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: do you know these silly little gadgets that start blinking or vibrating whenever your cellphone starts a call? get one of these and you're safe
Jan 27 21:31:33 <TAsn> when you plot against crazy govt.s
Jan 27 21:31:41 <TAsn> take out your battery
Jan 27 21:32:03 <Wonka> distinguishing a cellphone doing a location update from a cellphone placing a call by the sound of the interference in speakers is not that hard...
Jan 27 21:32:05 <DocScrutinizer51> also a very good advice.
Jan 27 21:32:06 <PaulFer``> In fact, take out the battery several hours _before_ you get to the meeting place!
Jan 27 21:32:13 <PaulFer``> That's 10x more important.
Jan 27 21:32:23 <DocScrutinizer51> (actually the best statement TAsn had so far)
Jan 27 21:32:44 <PaulFer``> Eavesdropping is highly unlikely. But tracking meetings is very possible and easy.
Jan 27 21:32:57 <TAsn> PaulFer``, terribly easy
Jan 27 21:32:57 <DocScrutinizer51> but PaulFer`` tops it as usual :-)
Jan 27 21:33:10 <Wonka> PaulF: correct, so they don't know where you are based on triangulating your cell phone ;)
Jan 27 21:33:10 <PaulFer``> ROTFL
Jan 27 21:33:11 <misc> on the other hand, that's not like chinese really need proof to send you to jail...
Jan 27 21:33:13 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, I knew it's too good to be true (compliment)
Jan 27 21:33:33 <TAsn> misc, but they do want to know what you are planning and who is involved
Jan 27 21:33:34 <TAsn> ...
Jan 27 21:34:11 <Wonka> guilty of conspiracy, because he went out without his cellphone...
Jan 27 21:34:14 <TAsn> anyhow, to be on the safe side: no sex without condoms and no plotting without ssl, tor and a cellphone with a battery
Jan 27 21:34:16 <misc> TAsn: there is more "fun" and efficient way than spying, when you have no remorse :/
Jan 27 21:34:23 <DocScrutinizer51> TAsn: they *know* whos involved. get gsm location
Jan 27 21:34:40 <alabd> anyway someone who was catched here in our country sadi that they eavesdropping while cellphones are off also like tasn says 
Jan 27 21:35:04 <TAsn> alabd, although I know I'm right
Jan 27 21:35:12 <TAsn> you shouldn't believe to silly rumors :P
Jan 27 21:35:19 <alabd> but how  ?
Jan 27 21:35:45 <PaulFer``> And any little mistake can be fatal for that, unfortunately. Even if you have a "clean" ("anonymous") cellphone (got from a random guy) and never used it with anything except a "random" SIM. Once you get caught, all other peers are busted.
Jan 27 21:36:13 <misc> Well, i would also bet the gvt has everything to win to make people think they can spy them even with cellphone off 
Jan 27 21:36:19 <max_posedon> I sometimes thinks you all are spys
Jan 27 21:36:23 <misc> paranoid people are stressed, and stress make mistake
Jan 27 21:36:32 <PaulFer``> Probably better to resort to internet-only logless P2P encrypted communication always, hiding your peers is important.
Jan 27 21:36:33 <TAsn> max_posedon, DocScrutinizer51 works for the israeli mossad
Jan 27 21:36:35 <max_posedon> and this is spys corporate international office
Jan 27 21:36:44 <TAsn> PaulFer``, with tor
Jan 27 21:36:46 <misc> paranoia also destroy trust in the group, and without trust, few thing will happen 
Jan 27 21:36:52 <PaulFer``> TAsn: using tor is an offense
Jan 27 21:36:55 <DocScrutinizer51> TAsn: and you bet we know our job
Jan 27 21:36:58 <PaulFer``> In some countries
Jan 27 21:37:20 <TAsn> PaulFer``, but a smaller offense than plotting against the govt.
Jan 27 21:37:20 <PaulFer``> Also if the country happens to control both your entry and exit hubs, you're in trouble.
Jan 27 21:37:21 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:37:31 <TAsn> PaulFer``, that is true.
Jan 27 21:37:48 <TAsn> PaulFer``, that's why you need ssl
Jan 27 21:38:05 <TAsn> but maybe the nsa cracked it, who knows :P
Jan 27 21:38:05 <alabd> question is HOW they could do that while DocScrutinizer says they need 3 min for fw patching 
Jan 27 21:38:10 <DocScrutinizer51> in alabd case even wearing green clothes is an official crime
Jan 27 21:38:27 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, :P
Jan 27 21:38:27 <JaMa> why do we even speak about it without blowfish enabled in irssi? :)
Jan 27 21:38:39 <TAsn> JaMa, because we live in liberal countries?
Jan 27 21:38:55 <misc> because we say nothing interesting in fact 
Jan 27 21:38:57 <TAsn> JaMa, as I told alabd before, I think he's crazy talking about such things without ssl
Jan 27 21:38:59 <misc> ( or anything new )
Jan 27 21:39:03 <JaMa> we still don't know where alabd lives...
Jan 27 21:39:07 <DocScrutinizer51> because no irssi here
Jan 27 21:39:10 <alabd> anyway so there is no any technical info about method
Jan 27 21:39:28 <TAsn> alabd, DocScrutinizer51 suggested the right way to go
Jan 27 21:39:28 <JaMa> DocScrutinizer51: you can read blowfish with eyes...
Jan 27 21:39:29 <TAsn> SAT
Jan 27 21:39:35 <alabd> JaMa:  leave it for now it's not carable
Jan 27 21:40:27 <alabd> anyway humble should go 
Jan 27 21:40:49 <DocScrutinizer51> alabd: good luck. take care
Jan 27 21:41:16 <TAsn> alabd, and please, don't forget, ssl is your friend.
Jan 27 21:41:39 <PaulFer``> alabd: please, do not forget. If you really need security, you should use your trusted expert for that.
Jan 27 21:41:59 <TAsn> PaulFer``, you can never be too paranoid
Jan 27 21:42:05 <TAsn> especially when tasn says you should be :P
Jan 27 21:42:06 <PaulFer``> You can't be secure without expert knowledge.
Jan 27 21:42:07 <PaulFer``> Really
Jan 27 21:42:14 <alabd> TAsn:  someone said methinks ssl can be decrypted
Jan 27 21:42:33 <TAsn> PaulFer``, actually, that's mostly not enough
Jan 27 21:42:34 <misc> TAsn: paranoia is not exactly free, in fact this is against the fundamental root of the society ( ie trust ) :/
Jan 27 21:42:42 <TAsn> information security here is a joke.
Jan 27 21:42:50 <TAsn> misc, f*** society :P
Jan 27 21:43:00 <TAsn> I live in a bunker
Jan 27 21:43:03 <TAsn> 3 stories under ground
Jan 27 21:43:26 <alabd> thanks all god peace you bye 4 now 
Jan 27 21:43:26 <DocScrutinizer51> cool
Jan 27 21:43:26 <TAsn> alabd, that's probably true.
Jan 27 21:43:51 <PaulFer``> alabd: take care
Jan 27 21:44:00 <alabd> Paul you too 
Jan 27 21:45:39 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders imei and sim cloning project
Jan 27 21:47:40 <DocScrutinizer51> also steganography over gsm voice would be cool
Jan 27 21:47:41 <max_posedon> imei/sim cloning is big money takers here sometimes
Jan 27 21:47:49 <PaulFer``> RFD: jabber.org leader explains why they choosed proprietary software to run the service: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.user/2454
Jan 27 21:48:39 <max_posedon> PaulFer``, what about short brief?
Jan 27 21:49:04 <PaulFer``> max_posedon: nobody wanted to support free software for free
Jan 27 21:49:12 <PaulFer``> At least that's how i understood that
Jan 27 21:49:21 * DocScrutinizer51 should recommend aka urgently suggest twinklephone with ZRTP to alabd
Jan 27 21:49:24 <max_posedon> but who want support non-free software for free?
Jan 27 21:50:47 <PaulFer``> max_posedon: i thought ejabberd team was interested :(  
Jan 27 21:51:02 <max_posedon> I thought ejabberd is free)
Jan 27 21:52:09 <DocScrutinizer51> shr situation driven profile manager: disable / shutdown GSM in a radius of 600m to meeting location
Jan 27 21:52:10 <PaulFer``> It is free
Jan 27 21:53:36 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, we should add a "conspiracy" mode
Jan 27 21:53:54 <TAsn> that turns off gsm and messes up with sound card
Jan 27 21:54:05 <TAsn> according to gps location (essentially what you suggested)
Jan 27 21:54:20 <DocScrutinizer51> we should add a second rogue login from lockscreen that whipes all info
Jan 27 21:55:15 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, I wrote an application that wipes the sd
Jan 27 21:55:22 <TAsn> when it detects accelerometer movement
Jan 27 21:55:22 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:55:26 <TAsn> that's how paranoid I am.
Jan 27 21:55:26 <TAsn>  :P
Jan 27 21:55:46 <TAsn> (I don't use it, but still, I wrote it)
Jan 27 21:56:21 <misc> you tested it ?
Jan 27 21:56:23 <DocScrutinizer51> hard to unarm, hhuh ;-P
Jan 27 21:56:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, ssh :P
Jan 27 21:56:48 <TAsn> it's just to make sure no one touches my moko
Jan 27 21:56:57 <DocScrutinizer51> not over usb
Jan 27 21:56:58 <TAsn> misc, of course :P
Jan 27 21:57:04 <TAsn> just prefixed rm -rf with an echo
Jan 27 21:57:05 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:57:17 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, no, though I wrote other useful pieces of sw
Jan 27 21:57:23 <TAsn> I wrote an app
Jan 27 21:57:31 <TAsn> that lets you control the phone using dtmf
Jan 27 21:57:37 <TAsn> from specific/any number
Jan 27 21:57:42 <misc> TAsn: code was published ?
Jan 27 21:57:53 <DocScrutinizer51> that,s really useful
Jan 27 21:57:53 <TAsn> misc, no, too lazy to up to a scm
Jan 27 21:57:58 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, it is
Jan 27 21:58:25 <TAsn> you can match numbers with regex
Jan 27 21:58:32 <DocScrutinizer51> to trigger your whipe ;-D
Jan 27 21:58:40 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, yes :P
Jan 27 21:58:44 <TAsn> I also did something cool
Jan 27 21:58:51 <TAsn> (wrote most of it)
Jan 27 21:59:00 <TAsn> I wrote a script
Jan 27 21:59:02 <DocScrutinizer51> 'lemme call my lawyer'
Jan 27 21:59:16 <misc> TAsn: just push this to github, and send a email somewhere 
Jan 27 21:59:17 <TAsn> that's issued from dtmf
Jan 27 21:59:22 <TAsn> misc, I should
Jan 27 21:59:32 <TAsn> anyhow, the script
Jan 27 21:59:41 <TAsn> opens a reverse shell
Jan 27 21:59:42 <TAsn> to my box
Jan 27 21:59:43 <TAsn> :P
Jan 27 21:59:46 <CIA-49> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r70d32e7551de 10/src/phoneui-call.c: phoneui-call: release an active call when closing the window
Jan 27 21:59:46 <TAsn> so damn useful :P
Jan 27 21:59:54 <TAsn> (connects to gprs and opens that)
Jan 27 21:59:56 <CIA-49> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r77df1859e4e7 10/src/view/call-incoming-view.c: call-incoming: make the incoming call screen uncloseable
Jan 27 21:59:57 <CIA-49> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r141e10e72a12 10/src/util/window.c: window: use the 'delete,request' instead of the obsoleted 'delete-request'
Jan 27 22:00:00 <TAsn> mrmoku, SWEET ^ :P
Jan 27 22:00:18 <TAsn> misc, anyhow, I should really do it already.
Jan 27 22:00:22 <TAsn> too much time has passed.
Jan 27 22:00:22 <DocScrutinizer51> mrmoku: hooray
Jan 27 22:00:34 <TAsn> I'll write something about it and publish
Jan 27 22:00:42 <misc> TAsn: do it now, go go go 
Jan 27 22:00:48 <TAsn> misc, can't, too tired :P
Jan 27 22:01:06 <misc> TAsn: if you can write on irc, you can write in $EDITOR :)
Jan 27 22:01:06 <DocScrutinizer51> sissi
Jan 27 22:01:09 <TAsn> misc, there's just one thing needed to be taken care of
Jan 27 22:01:21 <TAsn> misc, my only issue is licensing
Jan 27 22:01:37 <TAsn> because I took FFT code
Jan 27 22:01:46 <DocScrutinizer51> duh
Jan 27 22:01:54 <TAsn> from that app I always forget it's name
Jan 27 22:01:57 <TAsn> that telephony app
Jan 27 22:02:03 <TAsn> *server app*
Jan 27 22:02:18 <DocScrutinizer51> *
Jan 27 22:02:26 <TAsn> RIGHT
Jan 27 22:02:28 <TAsn> lol :P
Jan 27 22:02:35 <TAsn> that's the name
Jan 27 22:02:50 <TAsn> (asterisk)
Jan 27 22:03:33 <mrmoku> pespin__: fixed :-)
Jan 27 22:03:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, close the tickets then :P
Jan 27 22:03:59 <DocScrutinizer51> Vme wonders if DTMF isn't handled transparently by modem
Jan 27 22:04:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: already closed the ticket
Jan 27 22:04:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, :P
Jan 27 22:04:21 <pespin__> mrmoku, closing call bug? :)
Jan 27 22:04:25 <mrmoku> yup
Jan 27 22:04:26 <dos1> AFAIR calypso does not report DTMF signals issued by other party
Jan 27 22:04:41 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, I also remember what dos1 just said.
Jan 27 22:04:41 <mrmoku> pespin__: building now
Jan 27 22:04:53 <DocScrutinizer51> dos1: that's the question, yes
Jan 27 22:04:53 <pespin__> mrmoku, new image?
Jan 27 22:05:07 <dos1> as FSO has dbus signal for that
Jan 27 22:05:12 <mrmoku> pespin__: no, new libphone-ui-shr
Jan 27 22:05:19 <pespin__> I'm using an old unstable now, as I've seen people here commentig some problems
Jan 27 22:05:24 <dos1> but that's calypso, who doesn't report them
Jan 27 22:05:30 <mrmoku> pespin__: yes, there are problems
Jan 27 22:05:33 <DocScrutinizer51> a decent modem *should* report DTMF
Jan 27 22:05:37 <mrmoku> mainly shr-settings segfaulting :/
Jan 27 22:05:42 <JaMa> do someone have any new tip for that?
Jan 27 22:05:43 <DocScrutinizer51> alas thats calypso
Jan 27 22:05:50 <DocScrutinizer51> not a decent modem
Jan 27 22:06:13 <JaMa> today I tried about 5 more combinations and it's still the same..
Jan 27 22:06:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, although my way is bad (doing it on my own)
Jan 27 22:06:43 <DocScrutinizer51> heh, dos said same but faster :P
Jan 27 22:06:44 <TAsn> I find it very "complete"
Jan 27 22:06:57 <pespin__> mrmoku, ok, hope it gets solved quickly and you build a new image :D
Jan 27 22:07:01 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Jan 27 22:07:02 <TAsn> (the fact that I identify them on my own)
Jan 27 22:07:18 <DocScrutinizer51> rather cool indeed
Jan 27 22:07:35 <TAsn> this lets me take sound from everywhere :P
Jan 27 22:07:50 <DocScrutinizer51> that as well
Jan 27 22:07:54 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, btw, concerning our previous call with alabd
Jan 27 22:07:55 <DocScrutinizer51> e.g. movies
Jan 27 22:08:08 <TAsn> I wrote a script (controllable by dtmf)
Jan 27 22:08:23 <TAsn> that let me turn off the screen/leds
Jan 27 22:08:30 <TAsn> and turn on mic :P
Jan 27 22:08:34 <TAsn> rather cool
Jan 27 22:08:43 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
Jan 27 22:08:45 <TAsn> it's a great spy appliance :P
Jan 27 22:09:19 <TAsn> misc, anyhow, I'll review it (to make sure licenses are ok) and hopefully release the code in the following week
Jan 27 22:09:34 <TAsn> but it's *your* job to make sure I don't forget
Jan 27 22:09:57 * misc prepare the horse head to put in tasn bed 
Jan 27 22:10:08 * DocScrutinizer51 schedules missile launch
Jan 27 22:10:13 <TAsn> I don't own a horse
Jan 27 22:10:24 <TAsn> and putting someone elses horse has a smaller effect
Jan 27 22:10:41 <DocScrutinizer51> the missile will work
Jan 27 22:10:53 <misc> TAsn: ok so I will offer you a horse, then cut his head 
Jan 27 22:10:59 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, unfortunately you are right again.
Jan 27 22:11:07 <TAsn> misc, I'd like having a horse, thanks :P
Jan 27 22:11:27 <pespin_> mrmoku, btw, which approach did you use as solution for closing problem? :P
Jan 27 22:11:35 <DocScrutinizer51> TAsn: you bet I am. It's a bunkerbuster
Jan 27 22:11:45 <mrmoku> pespin_: for now... incoming call screen is uncloseable... active call screen hangs up
Jan 27 22:12:02 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, oh, you were taking notes (you remember I live in a bunker)
Jan 27 22:12:09 <TAsn> remembered*
Jan 27 22:12:11 <mrmoku> pespin_: will revist the configurability when uniting those two screens
Jan 27 22:12:22 <DocScrutinizer51> TAsn: we know everything
Jan 27 22:12:30 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer51, I know you guys do.
Jan 27 22:12:42 <TAsn> I don't mess with the Zohan
Jan 27 22:13:00 <pespin_> ok, perfect
Jan 27 22:13:22 <mrmoku> JaMa: can I sync the feed or will something bad happen?
Jan 27 22:13:24 * DocScrutinizer51 afk for 10min
Jan 27 22:13:32 <TAsn> oh shit
Jan 27 22:13:42 <TAsn> he's issuing a death contract on me
Jan 27 22:13:48 * TAsn is off (locking the bunker)
Jan 27 22:13:50 <TAsn> ciao.
Jan 27 22:13:57 <JaMa> mrmoku: you mean rsync on buildhost?
Jan 27 22:14:20 <JaMa> mrmoku: I don't know about any new issue...
Jan 27 22:15:05 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok
Jan 27 22:16:27 <TAsn> misc, btw, most of the work on that dtmf control app was making the algorithms simple (and less floating point using) enough for the moko so they'll work decently.
Jan 27 22:17:23 <TAsn> and won't lag.
Jan 27 22:17:27 <TAsn> anyhow, now for real, ciao.
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