**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 30 08:39:17 2010 Jan 30 08:42:11 hmm back to 71 users. Not bad Jan 30 09:28:28 ~botsnack Jan 30 09:28:28 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 Jan 30 09:33:58 oh Jan 30 09:50:11 daniele_athome: no problem Jan 30 09:50:39 no at all :D Jan 30 09:54:11 johnsu01: hi! Jan 30 09:55:39 mickeyl_: SO EVERYTHING OK NOW? Jan 30 09:55:45 shit CS Jan 30 09:55:49 sorry Jan 30 09:56:14 no, still can't change my nickname once i'm connected Jan 30 09:56:18 but i can live with that for now Jan 30 09:56:27 strange Jan 30 09:56:38 boooi Jan 30 09:56:48 bang Jan 30 09:57:36 friggin shit. You're not registered Jan 30 09:57:49 might be related? Jan 30 09:58:01 leviathan: good morning, how can i get the smd devices back? Jan 30 09:58:14 yeah obviously Jan 30 09:58:47 I wonder what else they have hacked for the new chanmodes Jan 30 09:59:52 there's no +R anymore, and a had a panicking time till found they emulated it via +q $~a Jan 30 10:00:35 the bad thing. When there's no +R then there's no -R as well Jan 30 10:03:04 aaah prolly any channel with ""+R"" will suffice to reject nickchng Jan 30 10:04:25 yep, exactly Jan 30 10:05:25 moin alphaone|gone Jan 30 10:39:58 mickey|breakfast: uhhhm Jan 30 10:40:03 good questions Jan 30 10:40:19 /questions/question/r Jan 30 10:40:30 I've got to investigate ;) Jan 30 10:50:06 Q-Master, your email went straight to the spam dir, are you a certified spammer? :P Jan 30 10:50:35 TAsn: very funny. 9( Jan 30 10:54:35 alabd, if you wish I can host that package for you Jan 30 11:01:32 leviathan: */r ?? seems I need lessons in perl regex Jan 30 11:01:47 uhm Jan 30 11:01:55 %s/foo/bar/r Jan 30 11:01:56 :) Jan 30 11:02:07 just know /g Jan 30 11:02:09 its vim regex ;) Jan 30 11:02:17 gnah Jan 30 11:02:19 and r also exists Jan 30 11:02:21 xD Jan 30 11:03:04 what's r Jan 30 11:03:21 replace only once :) Jan 30 11:03:23 RTL, recursive? Jan 30 11:03:28 lol Jan 30 11:06:07 * [TAsn] is using a secure connection Jan 30 11:06:12 FINALLY :P Jan 30 11:06:32 ;] Jan 30 11:08:02 * TAsn hates non ssl Jan 30 11:09:12 not required thanks graziano Jan 30 11:09:31 TAsn: that persian keyboard does not work Jan 30 11:09:49 you need to execute Jan 30 11:09:55 killall -HUP enlightenment Jan 30 11:09:57 or reboot Jan 30 11:10:04 for it to start working Jan 30 11:10:41 mrmoku|away, ! Jan 30 11:16:26 TAsn: what is enlightenment Jan 30 11:16:35 lol Jan 30 11:16:47 just issue the command :P Jan 30 11:16:53 it's the app that runs the keyboard module Jan 30 11:17:03 kilall -HUP Jan 30 11:17:10 tells it to reload configuration files Jan 30 11:17:21 thanks Jan 30 11:18:07 np Jan 30 11:18:11 tell me how it works Jan 30 11:18:16 and if there's anything needed to be done. Jan 30 11:18:25 Is there any other browser for SHR that has javascript disale/enable option ? Jan 30 11:18:47 TAsn: nothing changed Jan 30 11:19:08 of course restart has been done also Jan 30 11:19:42 TAsn: so why don't you *use* SSL then? Jan 30 11:19:48 what's the output of ls /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards Jan 30 11:19:52 DocScrutinizer, sure I do. Jan 30 11:19:57 /whois tasn Jan 30 11:20:06 * [TAsn] is using a secure connection Jan 30 11:20:18 :-D Jan 30 11:20:20 lol Jan 30 11:20:39 [2010-01-30 12:20:04] [671] TAsn is using a secure connection is using a secure connection Jan 30 11:21:02 [2010-01-30 12:20:54] [472] R is unknown mode char to me is unknown mode char to me Jan 30 11:21:21 that probably means the server I'm connecting to also started using ssl (j/k) Jan 30 11:21:30 scatmaaaan, I'm the scatmaaaan Jan 30 11:21:31 alabd, what's the output of ls /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards Jan 30 11:22:33 or is that an ECHO ECHo ECho Echo echo Jan 30 11:23:53 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards Jan 30 11:23:53 alpha.png numeric.png Jan 30 11:23:53 Arabic.kbd persian Jan 30 11:23:53 Arabic.png qwerty.png Jan 30 11:23:53 backspace.png right.png Jan 30 11:23:53 Default.kbd shift.png Jan 30 11:23:54 down.png tab.png Jan 30 11:23:54 enter.png Terminal.kbd Jan 30 11:23:55 ignore_built_in_keyboards up.png Jan 30 11:23:55 left.png Jan 30 11:24:19 alabd, np Jan 30 11:27:26 hm... alabd: opkg files illume-keyboard-persian Jan 30 11:27:32 OH Jan 30 11:27:35 shit, wth Jan 30 11:27:42 sec Jan 30 11:27:49 k Jan 30 11:28:30 mmm Jan 30 11:28:44 DocScrutinizer, are you chatting from telnet? :P Jan 30 11:28:58 mrmoku|away, you built the persian keyboard badly! (you copied the whole dir instead of the content) please fix :P Jan 30 11:29:00 alabd, ^ Jan 30 11:29:24 lol Jan 30 11:29:37 no. Why Jan 30 11:29:39 TAsn: can not we build it Jan 30 11:29:51 DocScrutinizer, ctcp version got no response Jan 30 11:30:03 anyway, could be just a client that doesn't implement or blocks that Jan 30 11:30:04 :) Jan 30 11:30:22 I set ignore CTCP Jan 30 11:30:27 s/blocks/filters/ Jan 30 11:30:33 right Jan 30 11:30:44 alabd, I don't have access to buildhost :| Jan 30 11:31:12 no humble mean we can build and use now ourself how ? after changing kdb Jan 30 11:31:17 [2010-01-30 12:31:01] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an DocScrutinizer. Jan 30 11:31:19 [2010-01-30 12:31:01] [CTCP] Versionsanfrage von DocScrutinizer empfangen. Jan 30 11:31:21 [2010-01-30 12:31:03] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von DocScrutinizer empfangen: Konversation 1.2 (C) 2002-2009 by the Konversation team. Jan 30 11:31:24 what should be done TAsn Jan 30 11:31:39 alabd, you want to manually fix it at your box? Jan 30 11:31:44 alabd: copy all the files from persian/ to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards Jan 30 11:31:48 exactly Jan 30 11:31:51 :) Jan 30 11:31:54 [2010-01-30 12:31:42] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an daniele_athome. Jan 30 11:31:56 [2010-01-30 12:31:43] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von daniele_athome empfangen: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu. Jan 30 11:32:14 DocScrutinizer, eh Jan 30 11:32:29 DocScrutinizer: 1.2 is the QT4 version? Jan 30 11:32:36 yo Jan 30 11:32:46 is SSL working now? Jan 30 11:32:46 Anybody has connections in google? How to make them cooperate to investigate gmail.com->jabber.org messages loss? Jan 30 11:32:47 the fSCKng KDE4 Jan 30 11:33:13 i'm using 1.1 because 1.2 always crashes for me with SSL Jan 30 11:33:48 well I'm not much concerned about SSL Jan 30 11:34:07 3h ago there was no SSL on my only irc server Jan 30 11:34:21 :) Jan 30 11:35:33 Heinervdm, aye, ssl works. Jan 30 11:35:48 TAsn: with konversation 1.2? Jan 30 11:35:54 xchat Jan 30 11:35:54 ;) Jan 30 11:36:15 i was talking about konversation :) with 1.1 it's working too Jan 30 11:37:21 Heinervdm: I'd agree though on general segfault trigger happy and lack of usability statements on KDE4 Jan 30 11:37:36 Heinervdm, so why don't you use ssl here? Jan 30 11:37:53 TAsn: i'm looking for the port :) Jan 30 11:37:58 7000 Jan 30 11:37:59 or Jan 30 11:37:59 7070 Jan 30 11:38:14 how to fix this ? Jan 30 11:38:15 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for dillo-ssl: Jan 30 11:38:15 * libcrypto0.9.7 (>= 0.9.7g) * libssl0.9.7 (>= 0.9.7g) * Jan 30 11:38:30 of course this is in rep Jan 30 11:38:31 libcrypto0.9.8 - 0.9.8j-r11.0.4 - Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools. Jan 30 11:38:55 alabd, please open a ticket Jan 30 11:39:19 :-/ Jan 30 11:39:21 TAsn: better? Jan 30 11:39:26 in the meanwhile, you can just opkg -no-deps install or something like that Jan 30 11:39:31 and install them manually Jan 30 11:39:34 and hope it'll work Jan 30 11:39:37 Heinervdm, yeah :P Jan 30 11:40:07 TAsn: no how to say it use available version Jan 30 11:40:18 alabd: old story a pattern like 0.9.8j-r11 isn't considered >=0.9.7 Jan 30 11:40:48 sometimes Jan 30 11:41:02 DocScrutinizer any solution ? Jan 30 11:41:04 on fuzzed makefiles Jan 30 11:41:27 DocScrutinizer: no, look at package name Jan 30 11:41:33 fix makefile or install older lib Jan 30 11:41:39 DocScrutinizer: in deps it's libcrypto0.9.7 with version 0.9.7g Jan 30 11:41:52 DocScrutinizer: in repo it's libcrypto0.9.8 with version 0.9.8j-r11.0.4 Jan 30 11:41:57 that's two different package names Jan 30 11:43:38 dos1|away: exactly Jan 30 11:43:59 lib mainainers' madness (or they got no brain) Jan 30 11:44:54 or they are to stupid or sloppy and actually broke ABI Jan 30 11:45:27 s/to /too Jan 30 11:45:58 DocScrutinizer if 9.8 be installed does Jan 30 11:46:14 DocScrutinizer if 9.8 be installed will it detect it Jan 30 11:46:39 nope Jan 30 11:46:47 don't think spo Jan 30 11:46:49 so Jan 30 11:46:53 humble mean will app work properly ? Jan 30 11:47:08 alabd you should install the new version Jan 30 11:47:13 install dillo with ignore deps Jan 30 11:47:15 link the libs Jan 30 11:47:17 depends on what you include, or somesuch. No *real* devel here though Jan 30 11:47:22 needs ticket to modify this mistake ? Jan 30 11:47:25 and most importantly, cross your fingers Jan 30 11:48:28 TAsn: he's *building* dillo, not *installing* it Jan 30 11:48:44 DocScrutinizer installing Jan 30 11:48:49 ooh Jan 30 11:49:15 DocScrutinizer, :P Jan 30 11:49:34 so you may get away with a symlink from 0.9.7 to 0.9.8 Jan 30 11:49:50 how to say lib maintainer to پخیهبغ هف Jan 30 11:50:04 lol Jan 30 11:50:15 * DocScrutinizer figures he should copy that Jan 30 11:50:21 for later use ;-P Jan 30 11:50:23 how to say lib maintainer to modify it Jan 30 11:50:40 I wanna have cree symbols for SHR Jan 30 11:50:44 >_< Jan 30 11:50:50 canadian syllabics Jan 30 11:50:56 DocScrutinizer there is no any 9.7 Jan 30 11:51:51 alabd: you install 0.9.8 then create a symlink 0.9.7 pointing to 0.9.8 Jan 30 11:52:01 first native language smartphone for natives in nord america Jan 30 11:52:07 ;) Jan 30 11:52:30 inuktitut? Jan 30 11:52:45 yes Jan 30 11:52:58 and far far deeper into america Jan 30 11:52:58 inuktitut-cree yeah Jan 30 11:53:02 yes Jan 30 11:53:03 :) Jan 30 11:53:08 leviathan: i see, ok, any idea which older revision i could chose? (e.g. the one where alsa and backlight is not done yet) Jan 30 11:53:15 though there were 3 other dialects afaik Jan 30 11:53:22 i don't want to use htclinux, since they're still on 2.6.27 Jan 30 11:53:30 hmm Jan 30 11:53:31 ok Jan 30 11:53:32 DocScrutinizer how to say lib maintainer to modify it ? Jan 30 11:54:00 find email addr or other contact in package. then pester him Jan 30 11:54:23 mickeyl: perhaps I have just disabled SMD in the default conf I gave you Jan 30 11:54:53 or just build dillo against 0.9.8 Jan 30 11:55:06 mickeyl: ask GNUtoo for his kernel conf Jan 30 11:55:14 perhaps with his it works Jan 30 11:55:27 no, it's enabled Jan 30 11:55:31 i went over the whole config Jan 30 11:55:42 the diff against GNUtoo's only contains some wakelocks and stuff Jan 30 11:55:46 but ok, i give his one a go Jan 30 11:55:51 mickeyl: everything back to normal for you? Jan 30 11:55:55 (wrt irc) Jan 30 11:56:02 dillo also has not choice for enable/disabling javascript Jan 30 11:56:05 mickeyl, my revision was without backlight and with not-commited yet alsa Jan 30 11:56:07 DocScrutinizer: yeah, more or less. looks like the CIA bots are back as well Jan 30 11:56:18 should Jan 30 11:56:19 GNUtoo: do you have the git hash offhand? Jan 30 11:56:34 mickeyl, I gave it yesterday to leviathan Jan 30 11:56:38 and after opkg install package will package saved into fr ? Jan 30 11:57:03 mickeyl: the chans are "-R" now Jan 30 11:57:10 booting Jan 30 11:57:15 47ace06ac22a810e87203772d6ac512587ef2141 Jan 30 11:57:17 so no special issues for #om* Jan 30 11:57:24 yes that's it Jan 30 11:57:25 mickeyl: 47ace06ac22a810e87203772d6ac512587ef2141 Jan 30 11:57:41 I copied it from the log Jan 30 11:57:42 :) Jan 30 11:57:45 sure it is Jan 30 11:58:14 DocScrutinizer and that is more mistake of dillo maintainer or lib package maintainer ? Jan 30 11:58:14 mickeyl: if you can't change nick that's caused by any other chan you joined that has ""+R"" still Jan 30 11:58:33 leviathan: thanks Jan 30 11:58:40 alabd: 0.9.,8?? Jan 30 11:58:43 building this kernel with my config now Jan 30 11:58:45 mickeyl: np Jan 30 11:58:49 ok Jan 30 11:59:15 mickeyl, maybe rebase -i or revert for getting only some patches Jan 30 11:59:21 such as: Jan 30 11:59:28 *go until 47ace06ac22a810e87203772d6ac512587ef2141 Jan 30 11:59:34 *add my alsa patch Jan 30 11:59:57 DocScrutinizer should dillo ipk package be modified to depend on 9.8 or 9.8 should be 9.7 ? Jan 30 12:00:02 i didn't see the vibrator in gnuconform btw. Jan 30 12:00:14 mickeyl, what's the path? Jan 30 12:00:14 is there an issue with it or did you just not compile it in? Jan 30 12:00:24 /sys/class/timed_output/vibrator/... Jan 30 12:00:30 alabd, dillo doesn't not support persian iirc Jan 30 12:00:31 pl Jan 30 12:00:32 alabd: the lib maintainers should *NOT* change package name Jan 30 12:00:38 s/not // Jan 30 12:00:39 TAsn meant: alabd, dillo doesn't support persian iirc Jan 30 12:01:13 unless they *need* to break ABI, and even then the way they actually did the namechange is really odd Jan 30 12:01:31 DocScrutinizer, odd but common Jan 30 12:01:33 DocScrutinizer so dillo should depend on 9.8 instead of 9.7 Jan 30 12:01:33 many do this Jan 30 12:01:39 indeed strange.... Jan 30 12:01:46 TAsn: humble am afraid what to use Jan 30 12:01:57 so you'll be able to have both the old and the new ones installed Jan 30 12:02:10 TAsn: yeah and I'm going to shoot each of them with owl shit Jan 30 12:02:12 but that's probably done with crazy changes, not simple ones. Jan 30 12:02:30 I mean, you shouldn't break binary compat for minor changes :P Jan 30 12:02:31 (usually) Jan 30 12:03:08 I really prefer stacking up all the binary compat breaking changes into one place. ;P Jan 30 12:03:17 and you shouldn't change 0.0.miner-rev for major ABI changes Jan 30 12:03:24 TAsn: midori also does not support persian yes ? Jan 30 12:03:37 midori does Jan 30 12:03:43 eve as well. Jan 30 12:03:56 though eve is not ready enough yet. Jan 30 12:03:56 you NEVER should change ABI actually Jan 30 12:04:03 so you need midori Jan 30 12:04:18 DocScrutinizer, unless you figure out you did something terribly wrong :P Jan 30 12:05:21 even then it's mandatory to keep the terribly wrong function, mark it as **DEPRECATED** and add a new substitute function of different name at end of lib Jan 30 12:05:35 I'll checkout deabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b Jan 30 12:05:39 TAsn: :d humble forgot one character for persian keyboard Jan 30 12:05:54 alabd, send me the new file Jan 30 12:06:15 DocScrutinizer, yes, but sometimes you want to clean up the deprecated crap from your code :P Jan 30 12:06:28 ABI change basically is done *only* if you did *everything* wrong and start from scratch Jan 30 12:06:35 or maybe you changed the whole data structure Jan 30 12:06:46 TAsn: you must not Jan 30 12:06:52 and you didn't use pointers Jan 30 12:06:54 TAsn: midori shows persian characters seprately Jan 30 12:07:10 alabd, really? that's odd, it's gtk+ it should just work. Jan 30 12:07:18 alabd, eve will show them even worse :P Jan 30 12:07:53 TAsn: maybe gtk+ is not installed yes ? Jan 30 12:07:56 alabd, does it at least show them correctly? Jan 30 12:07:58 alabd, it is. Jan 30 12:08:15 alabd, I mean, although with spacing, do they at least change according to position in the word? Jan 30 12:08:17 TAsn: yes but seprate Jan 30 12:08:19 TAsn: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html Jan 30 12:08:21 * TAsn hates languages. Jan 30 12:08:30 alabd, sounds like a font or I don't know what issue to me. Jan 30 12:08:31 but in messages they are ok Jan 30 12:08:42 alabd, really? in messages they work? Jan 30 12:08:51 yes they are not seprate Jan 30 12:10:20 sweet :P Jan 30 12:11:32 TAsn: If you can avoid these reasons, you can keep your libraries binary-compatible. Said another way, you can keep your Application Binary Interface (ABI) compatible if you avoid such changes. For example, you might want to add new functions but not delete the old ones. You can add items to structures but only if you can make sure that old programs won't be sensitive to such changes by adding items only to the end of the structure, Jan 30 12:11:34 only allowing the library (and not the application) to allocate the structure, making the extra items optional (or having the library fill them in), and so on. Watch out - you probably can't expand structures if users are using them in arrays. Jan 30 12:12:02 DocScrutinizer, I know this. Jan 30 12:13:23 mickeyl, deabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b seem to have modem working Jan 30 12:14:03 TAsn: after modifing persian.kdb on fr and killall -HUP enlightenment Jan 30 12:14:03 , keyboard does not write anything and space just works :-/ Jan 30 12:14:13 I'll try to compile each rev Jan 30 12:14:24 alabd, what exactly did you change? Jan 30 12:14:50 TAsn: just one character Jan 30 12:15:05 maybe it was not ok before modify Jan 30 12:15:21 send me the new file Jan 30 12:15:23 I'll check Jan 30 12:16:34 GNUtoo: ok, 47ace06ac22a810e87203772d6ac512587ef2141 still no modem here Jan 30 12:16:41 i'll try deabc3 then Jan 30 12:16:59 mickeyl, ok Jan 30 12:17:24 <__face> Is it normal to get terrible flicker in QVGA mode? Jan 30 12:18:34 i will put default configurations upstream Jan 30 12:18:40 that should make it easier for non-OE folks Jan 30 12:19:05 alabd: as the package names are different for the lib versions (i.E. it's different libs that have nothing in common), you should be able to find a 0.9.7 version and install that one Jan 30 12:19:22 __face: with right fbset line probably it looks ok, try changing to 100000 pixelclock. Jan 30 12:19:25 deabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b crashes with alsa,my version didn't Jan 30 12:20:01 btw. Jan 30 12:20:03 alabd: if you can't find a 0.9.7 package of the lib to install, pester the distro maintainers to provide a 0.9.7 build Jan 30 12:20:06 DocScrutinizer no important cause dillo has not javascript enable/disable option Jan 30 12:20:16 will you guys monitor the other branches and cherry pick improvements? Jan 30 12:20:31 <__face> PaulFertser, I think I already have that: in fb.modes I have timings 100000 8 88 2 2 8 2 Jan 30 12:20:54 like e7550244 to linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm:htc-msm-2.6.27 Jan 30 12:20:58 to pull a random example Jan 30 12:21:08 of something that might be interesting to the gnuconform branch as well Jan 30 12:21:21 mrmoku|away: TAsn: intone seems broken in shr-u Jan 30 12:21:39 alexxy, I tested it yesterday, will give it a go again in a sec. Jan 30 12:23:32 mmm why deabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b didn't work and my 2.6.32-g47ace06-dirty worked Jan 30 12:23:34 anyway Jan 30 12:24:07 mickeyl, I'll look Jan 30 12:24:27 ok, great. Jan 30 12:24:33 it's pity enough we have so many trees Jan 30 12:24:39 indeed Jan 30 12:24:42 but it would be even more sad, if there was no cross picking Jan 30 12:27:00 __face: hm, here it worked ~reasonably. Jan 30 12:27:13 __face: have you actually changed to that mode with "fbset"? Jan 30 12:28:58 <__face> PaulFertser, yes I have. Now intermittantly I get a WSOD Jan 30 12:29:36 __face: no idea. I guess Weiss and larsc should know more about all this shit :| Jan 30 12:29:56 <__face> PaulFertser, :-) Jan 30 12:42:50 leviathan, ...ouch alsa doesn't work anymore in your tree Jan 30 12:44:13 maybe I did something bad while comiting too rapidely Jan 30 12:44:22 I'll try to fix that after eating Jan 30 12:53:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r386a8c389d9b 10/fsodeviced/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Jan 30 12:53:27 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: htc_qualcomm_msm contains the default configuration for this machine class Jan 30 12:53:27 freesmartphone.org: create per-machine links during install that point to this class, for now this is Jan 30 12:53:27 freesmartphone.org: trout, raphael, and diamond Jan 30 13:01:39 what? Jan 30 13:01:56 GNUtoo: what?? Jan 30 13:02:22 what doesnt work?? Jan 30 13:02:25 leviathan, the bootimage named alsa_Thingol_fix-without-debugging_0002.fastboot works fine Jan 30 13:02:52 but when I compiled an image using your tree mplayer -ao alsa made the kernel crash Jan 30 13:02:55 strange... Jan 30 13:03:01 what? Jan 30 13:03:07 I'm using it like this Jan 30 13:03:11 and it works fine Jan 30 13:03:13 ... Jan 30 13:03:34 I'll diff the configs then Jan 30 13:03:50 maybe I didn't add the CONFIG for the fix Jan 30 13:04:08 # CONFIG_SND_MSM_SOC_TEMP_ALSA_FIX is not set Jan 30 13:04:09 uhm Jan 30 13:04:13 that should be it Jan 30 13:04:13 yes Jan 30 13:04:17 yes Jan 30 13:04:27 you have to set it to fix the hang Jan 30 13:04:43 what brings me to the conclusion Jan 30 13:04:57 we didnt have implemented the silent functions yet :) Jan 30 13:05:07 yes that should be top-priority Jan 30 13:05:25 what do you think? Jan 30 13:11:37 leviathan, works now with this fix Jan 30 13:11:49 ok Jan 30 13:11:53 hmm Jan 30 13:12:08 we should take a look and watch how other drivers do it Jan 30 13:12:10 leviathan, I have also /dev/sdm0 Jan 30 13:12:17 uhhm Jan 30 13:12:18 ok Jan 30 13:12:27 and/or read the pdf Jan 30 13:12:47 leviathan, do you have /dev/sdm0 Jan 30 13:12:48 ? Jan 30 13:12:57 atm I do have nothing Jan 30 13:13:02 ok Jan 30 13:13:09 so maybe wakelocks Jan 30 13:13:12 because I'm rebuilding from scratch Jan 30 13:13:14 ok Jan 30 13:13:22 needs some time Jan 30 13:13:36 I solved the e-wm issue Jan 30 13:13:46 the null pointer? Jan 30 13:13:47 but therefore I got a problem with backlights again Jan 30 13:13:56 munmap in kdrive Jan 30 13:14:01 ah ok Jan 30 13:14:13 munmap segfault in kdrive as soon as you choose a language Jan 30 13:14:20 very strange Jan 30 13:14:22 its gone Jan 30 13:14:36 but therefore the lcd powers down Jan 30 13:14:37 -.- Jan 30 13:14:50 totally strange Jan 30 13:15:03 Heinervdm, hi, you got the mail, right? Jan 30 13:15:22 GNUtoo: additionaly I tried a fix for usb gadget Jan 30 13:15:28 if you compile it as module Jan 30 13:15:30 hope it works Jan 30 13:15:36 Serdar: yes Jan 30 13:15:37 ok Jan 30 13:15:53 Heinervdm, fine. Jan 30 13:16:15 Heinervdm, there is no way back now. Jan 30 13:16:40 shit Jan 30 13:17:05 I am collecting souls and you lost yours. Jan 30 13:17:29 agreed with the schedule? Jan 30 13:17:55 http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/devrooms/openmoko Jan 30 13:18:02 it's fine Jan 30 13:18:26 30 minutes for shr and 30 for h:1 Jan 30 13:18:32 lets see if i can fill 20 minutes Jan 30 13:18:51 20 minutes talk some discusson Jan 30 13:18:54 if you can't then there is more room for discussion Jan 30 13:19:19 you both wrote 20 Minutes therefore you got 30 minutes. Jan 30 13:19:25 and for david to build up his laptop :) Jan 30 13:19:50 we can all use my macbook and my wii remote :D Jan 30 13:20:07 i'm having 20 slides till now, so i think 20 minutes will be fine Jan 30 13:20:19 1 minute per slide is okay Jan 30 13:20:23 i have a logitech wireless presenter Jan 30 13:20:28 oh. Jan 30 13:20:34 I don't have that money :( Jan 30 13:20:40 so I am useing a wii remote :) Jan 30 13:20:51 :) Jan 30 13:21:42 so you are h:1 or shr? Jan 30 13:21:43 do you know if we can try the beamer before 9 o'clock? Jan 30 13:21:46 shr Jan 30 13:21:59 no idea, maybe. Jan 30 13:22:16 hmm, beamer is the wrong word :) Jan 30 13:22:27 you mean the connection Jan 30 13:22:44 i've always problems with xrandr Jan 30 13:22:56 that's why I am offering my macbook :) Jan 30 13:23:20 there is windows vista on my notebook, but i don't like to use it Jan 30 13:23:30 urgs Jan 30 13:23:32 same for mac os :P Jan 30 13:23:45 you don't like Unix? Jan 30 13:23:55 i don't like apple Jan 30 13:24:01 :) Jan 30 13:24:21 but apples are tasty and wealthy. Jan 30 13:24:30 we will see Jan 30 13:27:09 leviathan, also routing is kind of unpredictable....sometimes you can ear something while muted and the contrary Jan 30 13:52:57 the openmoko is closed and the software developers have leaved the company,so maybe it's a bad news. Jan 30 13:53:34 what is bad news? Jan 30 13:53:39 huh? Jan 30 13:54:42 Hi, I've flashed latest lite image of shr-unstable to my gta01, but it seems, that the image is quite big http://ynezz.true.cz/shr-gta01.jpg Jan 30 13:54:59 the FIC company fired the developers in Beijing Jan 30 13:56:14 did I missed some steps which I need to do before flashing the image? Jan 30 13:56:30 well yeah, but that was already a year ago... Jan 30 13:56:36 ynezz: no, it's possible that the image is too big Jan 30 13:57:17 should I report it somewhere? Jan 30 13:57:28 none of the developers have a gta01,, so its a bit left behind Jan 30 13:57:34 ynezz: yes 60MB that's too much Jan 30 13:57:55 And the openmoko is still go on in community ? Jan 30 13:57:58 spaetz: yes, Jama told me already that Jan 30 13:58:52 ynezz: just ping JaMa, perhaps he find some packages that he can remove Jan 30 13:59:00 ynezz: the gta01 has no sd card? Jan 30 13:59:23 it would be usefull to know if the image runs generally Jan 30 13:59:33 nsynet, yes, there is stiil no other phone that is that open and hackable. Jan 30 13:59:34 yes it does have SD slot Jan 30 13:59:44 And I am afraid even can not buy a freerunner Jan 30 13:59:56 ynezz: can you flash the image there and boot from sd? Jan 30 14:00:08 Heinervdm: Ok, I'll try Jan 30 14:00:17 nsynet: you can buy freerunners Jan 30 14:00:28 nsynet: there are a lot on stock Jan 30 14:00:39 you can still buy plenty of them. the hardware isjust somewhat obsolete Jan 30 14:00:53 .query JaMa|GoNe Jan 30 14:00:54 where is the stock? Jan 30 14:03:06 oh,I see Jan 30 14:05:04 nsynet, depends on your country where you can buy it.. Jan 30 14:07:16 I am in China and I think I can buy it from some people.and several days ago I talked to a enginner who once in Beijing work for openmoko,it seems the openmoko 's future is unsee. Jan 30 14:08:50 chanops: http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html Jan 30 14:09:03 especial google 's android Jan 30 14:18:15 Wolfgang in selling FR business now? ;-P Jan 30 15:31:34 teythoon: hi. sorry for my lack of answer yesterday Jan 30 15:31:47 teythoon: ping Jan 30 15:51:46 onen|openBmap: pong Jan 30 15:51:59 teythoon: hi. sorry for my lack of answer yesterday Jan 30 15:52:12 np Jan 30 15:52:33 teythoon: so you had two questions, right: 1. how often (and where is) sqlite db file. 2. how to generate db by yourself. right? Jan 30 15:52:42 yeah Jan 30 15:53:00 I'd also like to find some more information on the whole project Jan 30 15:53:16 there's little information to be found in the wiki :( Jan 30 15:53:40 * DocScrutinizer dreams of a folding mode for irc client. To hide/unfold any class of msg - possibly based on regex Jan 30 15:53:45 and it would be neat to implement mapping wifi access points too Jan 30 15:53:57 GNUtoo: strange... Jan 30 15:54:11 I'd be willing to help out if I can Jan 30 15:54:12 teythoon: so, 1.: the sqlite db has been generated only once. it is located on our website. Nick did put some automatic generated db on the site, but because there was no user he saved the cpu of doing it. Jan 30 15:54:52 teythoon: well I try to improve the wiki. But I work only on clients. I hope you find data for clients above the average of the rest of the site ;-) Jan 30 15:55:04 DocScrutinizer: feature request: "[X] hide not pertinent" checkbox :) Jan 30 15:55:11 GNUtoo: for me routing works perfect Jan 30 15:55:28 only issue is with alsamixer Jan 30 15:55:35 teythoon: wifi: incoming :-) need to find some motivation to finish it :O Jan 30 15:55:42 you have to close alsamixer to get the routing states applied Jan 30 15:55:57 teythoon: help? neat :-) what part woudl you be interested in? Jan 30 15:56:03 wpwrak_: small [+] in leftmost col Jan 30 15:56:39 DocScrutinizer: hallo, wassup? still not selling back you n900 to get a nexus ? Jan 30 15:56:51 nah Jan 30 15:57:10 nexus? WTF! Jan 30 15:58:09 teythoon: so fort the db stuff, if you want info, you definitely need to get in touch with Nick (mail, sourceforge forum). He takes care of this part. If you use email, please put me as CC. Jan 30 15:58:32 as I said some days ago: Nexus One is _cool_ hardware, I want one - with SHR on it. Jan 30 15:58:58 Wonka, that's what I say everyday, on every phone I see :P Jan 30 15:59:07 * onen|openBmap is waving my hand in front of Doc as I am wearing my jedi robe: "the nexus is the key." Jan 30 15:59:10 except for the iphone which just sucks :P Jan 30 16:00:05 hmm, i'd like to say something funny Jan 30 16:00:06 like Jan 30 16:00:16 I like teenage mutant ninja turtles Jan 30 16:00:17 xD Jan 30 16:00:39 that's not funny, I also like them. Jan 30 16:00:41 :P Jan 30 16:00:49 yeaah Jan 30 16:02:46 kowabunga :P Jan 30 16:03:11 yeeahh Jan 30 16:03:23 onen|openBmap: i thought it was an iPad ? Jan 30 16:03:34 onen|openBmap: well, I'd be willing and able to work on the openbmapgtk client, I'm familiar with python and gtk Jan 30 16:03:37 three green guys, no humans, and mighty warriors Jan 30 16:03:40 but they have also fun Jan 30 16:03:49 and master splinter Jan 30 16:03:56 I'm loving it ^^ Jan 30 16:04:21 wpwrak_: iPad == very big screen iPhone, which prevents from using it as a phone Jan 30 16:04:26 onen|openBmap: I had a look at the openbmap-locator, and I think it's way of computing the position needs some polishing but I haven't done anything with vala yet, though that shouldn't be a problem Jan 30 16:04:49 onen|openBmap: yes Jan 30 16:04:59 onen|openBmap: naw, you just need iTrousers with extra big pockets :) Jan 30 16:05:02 but it would be cool to have such a tablett pc Jan 30 16:05:15 I'll buy a hp tablett pc from an collegue Jan 30 16:05:27 s/iTrousers/iPants/ Jan 30 16:05:27 wpwrak_ meant: onen|openBmap: naw, you just need iPants with extra big pockets :) Jan 30 16:05:32 sounds better :) Jan 30 16:05:48 onen|openBmap: and using wifi access points should greatly improve the accuracy since there are more access points with quite a limited range, so if I can help with that, I'm in too Jan 30 16:05:58 teythoon: nick takes care of server/db/website side. Baruch has been working on the locator, but I havent heard of him for a while... I work on clients. well. on client, as I work only on the fso/gtk client. Jan 30 16:06:46 wpwrak_: iTrousers, don't say that to people mumbling in an apple store like zealots, they would ask to buy one! Jan 30 16:07:47 onen|openBmap: is there a mailinglist besides openmoko-community that I should join to keep/get in touch? Jan 30 16:07:49 onen|openBmap: yes, i very much suspect that Steve Job's fashion line would find its followers :) Jan 30 16:08:50 teythoon: I prefer ml, but nick started with the forum, and so far this is the "public" communication with traces. Otherwise you may contact us by email. If we talk about the client, I definitely prefer emails. Jan 30 16:09:03 wpwrak_: :D Jan 30 16:09:12 onen|openBmap: can I reach nick via the mail address on the contact page on openbmap.org? Jan 30 16:09:54 teythoon: I have spent quite some hours on the wifi logging. but as you may know, the last details are always those which take the longer :( Jan 30 16:10:24 teythoon: yes. we both monitor this email. Jan 30 16:10:46 yeah :-/ any chance to get your development tree from somewhere? Jan 30 16:11:08 teythoon: for the client? Jan 30 16:12:09 yes Jan 30 16:13:11 teythoon: the git tree is on sourceforge Jan 30 16:16:03 onen|openBmap: does this thing have bluetooth? Jan 30 16:16:17 so I could link it with openmoko on my htcdream to get UMTS Jan 30 16:16:35 leviathan: what thing? the iTrousers? Jan 30 16:16:43 this iTablett Jan 30 16:16:48 or how it is called Jan 30 16:16:58 leviathan: can't remember Jan 30 16:17:12 well, first you need to have root on it Jan 30 16:17:20 and then to manage bluetooth Jan 30 16:18:10 teythoon: http://myposition.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb-index.cgi Jan 30 16:18:32 teythoon: myposition is the fso/gtk client Jan 30 16:19:03 openmoko has two channels for sound? Jan 30 16:19:43 onen|openBmap: yeah, I found that one, but your last push to that repository was in november..? Jan 30 16:20:10 teythoon: he he, did I say that I have been quite lacking motivation to finish my wifi work ;-) Jan 30 16:20:26 teythoon: of course it is much more fun to work in team :-) Jan 30 16:23:05 can someone please 'grep Hardware /proc/cpuinfo' on the FR and the Neo? Jan 30 16:24:05 mickeyl: ok Jan 30 16:24:06 mom Jan 30 16:24:44 thanks, mine aren't booting atm. Jan 30 16:24:45 mickeyl, FR->>> Hardware : GTA02 Jan 30 16:24:59 root@om-gta02:~# grep Hardware /proc/cpuinfo Jan 30 16:24:59 Hardware : GTA02 Jan 30 16:25:04 excellent Jan 30 16:25:10 i reckon the Neo is GTA01 then Jan 30 16:25:14 thanks Jan 30 16:25:32 hey mickeyl Jan 30 16:25:46 hi Serdar Jan 30 16:26:17 mickeyl, you are agreed with the schedule? Jan 30 16:29:12 Serdar: sure, looks good Jan 30 16:29:19 okay. Jan 30 16:29:32 then you may write something on the mailing list. Jan 30 16:29:40 yep Jan 30 16:31:48 mickeyl: FR and 1973 Jan 30 16:32:01 Openmoko Neo Freerunner Jan 30 16:32:09 Neo are both Jan 30 16:32:22 onen|openBmap: ah, I see. Well, is there a chance to get *your* dev tree from somewhere? Jan 30 16:32:46 teythoon: well this is... oh I did not push my wifi stuff, right? Jan 30 16:32:48 teythoon: ok Jan 30 16:33:01 teythoon: I understand why you asked for my dev tree Jan 30 16:33:14 just curious, why is it named 1973? :P Jan 30 16:33:17 he said neo AND freerunner, and this is only one which has both conditions :) Jan 30 16:33:27 teythoon: usually I push ready stuff. doing small steps every time. this one was much bigger :-) Jan 30 16:33:29 pespin: honestly? Jan 30 16:33:45 DocScrutinizer, yeah, is it named like thbat for some reason? Jan 30 16:34:01 First mobile cellphone in 1973 Jan 30 16:34:06 teythoon: and I did not want to push some not ready stuff Jan 30 16:34:07 motorola Jan 30 16:34:40 I was born in 1991, so that's a long time for me xD Jan 30 16:35:10 teythoon: if you want to help on the client, then I may put together a state of the code, plus a todo list. Jan 30 16:35:24 teythoon: this way, you may see if you are interested in working on sth Jan 30 16:35:25 onen|openBmap: that would be great :) Jan 30 16:35:30 DocScrutinizer, thanks for info :) Jan 30 16:35:35 yw Jan 30 16:36:19 teythoon: ok. please send an email to the contact of th eproject. You will then get in touch with nick for the server side, and it will be a reminder for me to give you the info you want :-) Jan 30 16:36:48 onen|openBmap: will you and or nick be in bruxels for the fosdem? Jan 30 16:36:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf402a560fef5 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add default configuration for Openmoko devices Jan 30 16:36:53 onen|openBmap: will do Jan 30 16:36:59 thanks Jan 30 16:37:23 teythoon: I will not. But I might change this easily (as it is just a matter of 2-3 hours train travel) Jan 30 16:37:33 Openmoko Neo 1973 (projectname GTA01) and Openmoko Neo FreeRunner (projectname GTA02) Jan 30 16:37:40 teythoon: is next weekend, right? Jan 30 16:38:41 teythoon: have to go Jan 30 16:39:42 onen|openBmap: yes. ok, cu around! Jan 30 16:39:52 teythoon: we'll keep in touch. I hope this works out, as I would love to not work alone on my code ;-) Jan 30 16:39:55 teythoon: bye Jan 30 16:39:57 pespin, omg, you are so young :P you are even older than dos. :P Jan 30 16:40:22 s/you are even/at least you are/ Jan 30 16:40:23 TAsn meant: pespin, omg, you are so young :P at least you are older than dos. :P Jan 30 16:40:41 at least I think you are. Jan 30 16:40:43 jaja I thought dos was from 91 too Jan 30 16:40:50 could be. Jan 30 16:40:59 but I'm probably older as I'm from january :) Jan 30 16:41:56 nice. Jan 30 16:45:53 GNUtoo: ok, still no modem with http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~mickey/oe/dream/tmp/deploy/images/htcdream/zImage-2.6.32+r0+gitrdeabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b-r0-htcdream.bin Jan 30 16:45:57 GNUtoo: must be the defconfig then Jan 30 16:46:03 I'll enable the darn wakelocks and recompile Jan 30 16:47:37 what's default root password on shr? Jan 30 16:48:58 ynezz, the one you have set in shr-wizard. If you haven't set it, do it using vala-erminal with "passwd" Jan 30 16:49:38 mickeyl: cool Jan 30 16:49:47 you've made a buildhost?? Jan 30 16:49:48 pespin: I'm trying to run shr-unstable on gta01 and XWindow doesn't start Jan 30 16:50:01 pespin: so I'm trying to debug it via ssh over usb Jan 30 16:50:10 leviathan: just one of my machines Jan 30 16:50:25 but we'll get a full fledged buildhost soon Jan 30 16:50:34 i'm in contact with some government organization which will get us one Jan 30 16:50:39 and have an eye on it Jan 30 16:50:42 ynezz, hmm no idea then :S Jan 30 16:50:47 cool ;D Jan 30 16:51:00 yep, they use the FR and the FSO images internally Jan 30 16:51:39 woot Jan 30 16:53:48 ynezz, oops :> Jan 30 16:54:06 the only possible solution would be opening the sd on another box Jan 30 16:54:16 yes, doing it now Jan 30 16:54:16 and changing the ssh config to allow empty passwords Jan 30 16:54:20 mrmoku, PM> Jan 30 16:54:53 TAsn: pong Jan 30 16:55:01 Slyon, good~! Jan 30 16:55:03 pm Jan 30 16:59:53 indeed. the same kernel hash with GNUtoo's defconfig works Jan 30 17:00:18 mickeyl, ok Jan 30 17:00:32 so remove wakelocks hurt Jan 30 17:00:34 this is bad Jan 30 17:01:03 ynezz, none, do passwd and ssh password will be activated Jan 30 17:03:39 pushing this status to OE Jan 30 17:06:20 done Jan 30 17:09:12 well Jan 30 17:09:31 seems that OE for htcdream gets slowly but surely to a official usable state Jan 30 17:09:33 :) Jan 30 17:09:46 leviathan, sweet, /me wants one. Jan 30 17:09:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r99fee0cd45e0 10/fsodeviced/conf/htc_qualcomm_msm/fsodeviced.conf: fsodeviced: ignore lcd-backlight led backlight on broken kernels Jan 30 17:10:02 yeah. NOPREEMPT NODEBUG. It's not that easy regrettably Jan 30 17:10:39 porting shr onto other platforms improves its platform indipendency Jan 30 17:11:07 because only then such things like hard coded icons sizes get remarked and fixed Jan 30 17:11:13 every little change in kernel seems to uncover new race conditions etc :-S Jan 30 17:11:24 now lets see where this vibrator went Jan 30 17:14:29 vib gone? Jan 30 17:15:02 or just the 47th sysnode path change? Jan 30 17:17:48 don't worry, not the FR Jan 30 17:17:55 leviathan: timed_output is completely missing in your tree Jan 30 17:18:41 can you get us that? Jan 30 17:20:29 * mickeyl feels like working on mosaic Jan 30 17:20:35 every hardware has some working bits Jan 30 17:20:39 no hardware has everything Jan 30 17:20:42 *sigh* Jan 30 17:20:44 TAsn: phonelog still uses the tel: prefix by default + crashes when saving a field value combination Jan 30 17:21:15 oh shit, forgot about committing phonelog :P Jan 30 17:21:32 and crashes when what? Jan 30 17:21:41 mickeyl: okok Jan 30 17:21:49 I'll get it into the kernel again :) Jan 30 17:22:28 awesome, thanks Jan 30 17:22:43 i'd like to concentrate on the ADP1 for some weeks Jan 30 17:22:53 pisi also uses the tel: prefix by default please patch contacts.py in /opt/contacts -PHONE_PREFIX = "tel:" +PHONE_PREFIX = "" Jan 30 17:22:58 but i need your (kernel hackers) help Jan 30 17:23:26 TAsn: when i want to add a contact and e.g. remove the tel: prefix and i click on save it crashes Jan 30 17:23:48 bumbl, pisi has a config option to disable the tel: crap :P Jan 30 17:23:57 bumbl, adding contact from phonelog: I know it's broken atm ;| Jan 30 17:23:57 (or when i create a new Field "Name" with the value "Doe") Jan 30 17:24:03 mrmoku, is rewriting what's needed to fix it. Jan 30 17:24:05 ok Jan 30 17:24:26 TAsn: as for pisi - didn't know that, i went the editing way Jan 30 17:24:37 wonderfull Jan 30 17:24:46 someone's calling me kernel hacker ;) Jan 30 17:24:48 hm, Unrecognized option: -mouse Jan 30 17:25:00 that's why X don't start on gta01 Jan 30 17:25:02 strange Jan 30 17:25:05 mhmm Jan 30 17:25:06 yes Jan 30 17:25:17 because in SHR they are using Xorg now Jan 30 17:25:24 ynezz, put ARGS="" in gta01) in Xserver Jan 30 17:25:26 you have to configure everything in xorg.conf Jan 30 17:25:36 mhmm Jan 30 17:25:58 mrmoku, please build phonelog and latest pisi (if you haven't already built pisi) Jan 30 17:25:58 yep Jan 30 17:26:16 bumbl, committed. Jan 30 17:27:22 mickeyl, having enough is great...but everything...I wonder if it's possible(I'm thinking about 3d) Jan 30 17:27:57 uhmm, yes Jan 30 17:27:59 another issue Jan 30 17:28:08 its only possible with codeaurora kernel Jan 30 17:28:25 but this graphics driver is not just importible into ours Jan 30 17:28:29 GNUtoo|oeee: X works, but no touchscreen Jan 30 17:28:36 ok Jan 30 17:28:40 uuhhm Jan 30 17:28:40 whoever gets a working gta01 image, please send us the configuration you used to shr-devel so we'll be able to use it. Jan 30 17:28:47 are you using kdrive or Xorg? Jan 30 17:28:53 it's Xorg Jan 30 17:28:56 ynezz, what is the touchscreen driver? Jan 30 17:29:06 sweet, all the keys are mapped Jan 30 17:29:08 the same than the freerunner? Jan 30 17:29:10 even the two layer camera key Jan 30 17:29:13 good news Jan 30 17:29:17 http://pastebin.ca/1772120 Jan 30 17:29:18 mickeyl, most not all of the keys Jan 30 17:29:28 which are you missing? Jan 30 17:29:32 (i'm talking 'bout raw input here) Jan 30 17:29:43 ah, didn't try headphone and usb yet Jan 30 17:30:03 mickeyl, ah ok Jan 30 17:30:18 mickeyl, I was talking about things like @#$%^ Jan 30 17:30:21 sorry Jan 30 17:30:24 np Jan 30 17:30:29 GNUtoo|oeee: http://pastebin.ca/1772123 Jan 30 17:30:37 how can i talk to the compass? Jan 30 17:31:09 it's mapped to event4 Jan 30 17:31:11 but stays silent Jan 30 17:31:21 so i guess i need to ioctl it or enable it? Jan 30 17:31:26 mickeyl, I don't know...it needed a proprietary binary in android Jan 30 17:31:48 mickeyl, maybe over rpc Jan 30 17:31:51 I don't know Jan 30 17:32:03 ok Jan 30 17:32:10 let me try asking in #htc-linux... Jan 30 17:32:36 ynezz, evdev or tslib for the gta01 touchscreen Jan 30 17:32:40 ok Jan 30 17:32:54 * mickeyl votes for tslib Jan 30 17:32:58 tslib has been good to us for years Jan 30 17:33:00 compass? you own a nexus? Jan 30 17:33:11 no, here's an ADP1 Jan 30 17:33:15 it has one too Jan 30 17:33:18 i think Jan 30 17:33:20 oh Jan 30 17:33:21 ;) Jan 30 17:33:46 yes amkd was the daemon if I remember well Jan 30 17:33:49 is there now any interest in a installer? :) Jan 30 17:33:56 but to get tslib working I'll need to create xorg.conf, right? Jan 30 17:34:11 Serdar: in gerenal for sure Jan 30 17:34:15 but not for quite a while Jan 30 17:34:23 i'm doing grunt-work Jan 30 17:34:25 mickeyl, you have a android now? Jan 30 17:34:45 ynezz, I think so but you must first look at what kernel interface you have...it's somewhere in syfs Jan 30 17:34:47 which version? Jan 30 17:35:00 i had a G1 for long, but refused to root it due to the insane procedures Jan 30 17:35:05 so no work on that Jan 30 17:35:07 now i have the adp1 Jan 30 17:35:12 which has the engineering bootloader Jan 30 17:35:15 so i can do some work Jan 30 17:35:18 ynezz, there is a node for feeding the calibration parameter in case of evdev Jan 30 17:35:19 mhm Jan 30 17:35:23 mickeyl, is it 1.5? Jan 30 17:35:32 Serdar: no, the adp is running 1.0 Jan 30 17:35:39 oh Jan 30 17:35:39 now it is SHR ;) Jan 30 17:35:46 Serdar, I've free 1.5 running on mine Jan 30 17:36:03 i may need to update the radio firmware Jan 30 17:36:08 anyone know what's the difference between 1.x and 2.x? Jan 30 17:36:13 I've been building fosdem-android for 1.5 Jan 30 17:36:30 mickeyl, there are lot differences. Jan 30 17:36:37 mickeyl, for? Jan 30 17:36:38 radio firmware Jan 30 17:36:43 not android itself Jan 30 17:36:54 like... baseband Jan 30 17:37:01 hmm, I'd like to have uboot on my htcdream Jan 30 17:37:04 thcdream Jan 30 17:37:07 ^_^ Jan 30 17:37:19 ah, don't mess with the bootloader, it's fine Jan 30 17:37:24 be thankful for fastboot Jan 30 17:37:29 leviathan, you have jtag? Jan 30 17:37:30 much better than on all winmo phones Jan 30 17:37:30 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(Betriebssystem)#Versionsverlauf Jan 30 17:37:50 GNUtoo: basically anyone has Jan 30 17:37:55 but you have to sold it Jan 30 17:38:20 the PWM leds are nice Jan 30 17:38:32 we need a breath led trigger Jan 30 17:38:33 :D Jan 30 17:38:40 I had to root it over jtag, over another ones laptop Jan 30 17:38:42 leviathan, better having jtag if you want uboot but better porting uboot at the end Jan 30 17:38:47 not now Jan 30 17:38:49 yes Jan 30 17:38:59 will be the next step Jan 30 17:39:02 what's the "spotlight" LED? Jan 30 17:39:05 to go deeper into the matter Jan 30 17:39:06 that doesn't seem to work here Jan 30 17:39:15 mickeyl, maybe the camera flash Jan 30 17:39:25 mickeyl, which didn't made it in the product Jan 30 17:39:30 ah Jan 30 17:39:31 right Jan 30 17:39:42 ok, one led more to ignore ;) Jan 30 17:39:49 mhm Jan 30 17:40:09 mickeyl: red,green,blue do not work anymore, bte Jan 30 17:40:14 *btw Jan 30 17:40:42 I'll eat Jan 30 17:40:42 working fine here Jan 30 17:40:47 supersmooth Jan 30 17:40:48 255 levels Jan 30 17:40:49 strange... Jan 30 17:40:59 which kernel version? Jan 30 17:41:03 maybe wakelocks Jan 30 17:41:08 hmm Jan 30 17:41:25 deabc32225429b3c0db44f7e62d95d0d2525290b Jan 30 17:42:36 perhaps because I messed with the lcd-backlight.... Jan 30 17:42:37 akmd is closed source? Jan 30 17:43:05 uuhhhm Jan 30 17:43:13 yes Jan 30 17:43:16 suckers... as if that was important technology to hide *sigh* Jan 30 17:43:17 the initialisation yes Jan 30 17:43:27 hmm Jan 30 17:43:30 gps the same Jan 30 17:43:37 but cr2 and phh are working on it Jan 30 17:43:46 they are available in htc-linux Jan 30 17:43:50 gps was decoded in htc-linux Jan 30 17:44:54 mickeyl, do you have a camcorder? Jan 30 17:45:13 I have a webcam with a tripod Jan 30 17:45:18 not offhand Jan 30 17:45:40 for fosdem Jan 30 17:45:41 I use ekiga to setup the parmeters and gst-launch to recrd Jan 30 17:45:55 Serdar, ? what do you need one for Jan 30 17:46:06 record the speeches Jan 30 17:46:28 and maybe ( if needed ) live act with the moko. so people can see the display Jan 30 17:46:57 I guess I will buy me one so we need two cams then. Jan 30 17:48:19 wah, that's quite a capable chip Jan 30 17:48:51 iphone 3gs is using a sibling Jan 30 17:49:31 hmm, ok, nothing we can quickly bring up Jan 30 17:49:36 that needs much more time Jan 30 17:51:13 woot Jan 30 17:51:16 temperature as well Jan 30 17:51:46 and pedometer Jan 30 17:58:05 TAsn: what's new? Jan 30 17:58:40 concerning your bug? nothing. :P Jan 30 18:00:39 mine is a gspca so bad quality Jan 30 18:03:29 hmm, I'd love to finally get rotation Jan 30 18:03:38 then I could present something really working Jan 30 18:03:40 ... -.- Jan 30 18:04:01 even if I dont have fibration yet Jan 30 18:08:54 vibration must have been broken by something...I had it before Jan 30 18:09:06 isn't it a led? Jan 30 18:09:20 or was it in another device Jan 30 18:19:26 hmm Jan 30 18:19:33 GNUtoo: dunno Jan 30 18:19:44 somehow the status lets arent working either anymore Jan 30 18:20:10 perhaps its because I messed around with the backlight in one of the board files Jan 30 18:20:12 ... dunno Jan 30 18:20:17 yes maybe Jan 30 18:20:24 backlight doesn't even work Jan 30 18:20:25 the sys nodes are still there Jan 30 18:20:27 for me Jan 30 18:20:29 yes Jan 30 18:20:33 but fso doesnt use them anymore Jan 30 18:20:44 strange Jan 30 18:20:53 because keyboard leds are working... Jan 30 18:21:05 ah Jan 30 18:21:16 and without fso the screen blanks black and resumes like a real backlight now Jan 30 18:21:32 so powermanagment does it right Jan 30 18:21:42 but blanking != backlight Jan 30 18:21:51 uhhm Jan 30 18:21:57 its not only blanking Jan 30 18:22:04 its turning totaly black Jan 30 18:22:09 like it would be off Jan 30 18:22:10 blanking is a framebuffer ioctl Jan 30 18:22:15 yes Jan 30 18:22:21 but the led goes totaly of Jan 30 18:22:23 ok if it's totally black it's blanking Jan 30 18:22:36 its black and dark Jan 30 18:22:43 like the phone is turned off Jan 30 18:22:50 like android does... ;) Jan 30 18:22:53 with led backlight of 0 you could see trough Jan 30 18:23:01 yes Jan 30 18:23:04 not even this Jan 30 18:23:09 no text, nothing Jan 30 18:23:11 realy off Jan 30 18:23:39 ok Jan 30 18:23:51 so it's blanking or suspend Jan 30 18:24:00 yes Jan 30 18:24:12 hmm Jan 30 18:24:14 anyway Jan 30 18:24:24 with never fso on everything dies Jan 30 18:24:28 dunno why... Jan 30 18:24:32 I'll investigate Jan 30 18:24:41 ok Jan 30 18:24:50 I've built a never kernel where the usb gadget also should work as module Jan 30 18:25:20 now the rest of the bitbake has to run trough Jan 30 18:25:27 then I can install and test Jan 30 18:28:14 afk.eating() Jan 30 18:39:44 hello all Jan 30 18:39:46 to know Jan 30 18:39:50 TAsn: (pisi) any rev? Jan 30 18:40:04 upgraded SHR testing: moko doesn't work omoney crashes Jan 30 18:48:17 mrmoku, no idea, look in ML Jan 30 18:48:29 they replied to my announcement Jan 30 18:49:17 shr testing hasn' t see updates since mid-december Jan 30 18:49:39 and i have nnevver used omoney so i can't comment on that Jan 30 18:51:11 pbaxter, I'll look but I got it working Jan 30 18:51:54 pbaxter, it works for me but I should have modded the desktop launch file Jan 30 18:51:57 I'll look Jan 30 18:52:41 pbaxter, omoney -n -e x11 Jan 30 18:53:06 GNUtoo: do you know the options aout the .desktop files? Jan 30 18:53:15 if you give me i can try to modify them by me Jan 30 18:53:37 I'll pastebin my desktop file Jan 30 18:54:14 pbaxter, http://pastebin.com/d355ea121 Jan 30 18:54:35 pbaxter, while you doing it, if it works suggest the change to shr or to the omoney dev Jan 30 18:55:25 ok Jan 30 18:55:43 but the problem is not for omoney Jan 30 18:55:55 lots of other software have this error i think Jan 30 18:55:56 pbaxter, ah? Jan 30 18:56:00 pbaxter, ok Jan 30 18:56:17 pbaxter, that's because they don't use x11_16 anymore as enlightenment backend Jan 30 18:56:20 GNUtoo: which are the things you can write into a .desktop file (in the launch field) Jan 30 18:56:27 but what do they use? Jan 30 18:56:36 x11 Jan 30 18:57:03 mmm Jan 30 18:57:11 ok Jan 30 18:57:30 from omoney -h: -e ENGINE, --engine=ENGINE which display engine to use (x11, x11-16),default=x11-16 Jan 30 18:57:56 ok ;) Jan 30 18:58:16 btw is it safe to upgrade now? Jan 30 18:58:27 SHR-unstable Jan 30 18:58:33 GNUtoo: i'm in testing Jan 30 18:58:39 pbaxter, apart omoney does phone work? Jan 30 18:58:52 that is to say do you see your operator on the top Jan 30 18:59:15 ok Jan 30 18:59:41 using testing would mean too much backporting for me so I use unstable Jan 30 18:59:48 because once a while I bitbake things Jan 30 19:00:03 and I need/want to test them Jan 30 19:00:31 or simply play wesnoth or supertux on my phone Jan 30 19:00:50 (supertux was only on non-openmoko devices) Jan 30 19:00:55 (lack of keyboard) Jan 30 19:01:10 s/supertux/supertux-qvga Jan 30 19:01:47 GNUtoo: phone works Jan 30 19:02:03 ok Jan 30 19:02:10 nice Jan 30 19:04:07 I'll upgrade anyway Jan 30 19:19:53 hello Jan 30 19:20:14 re Jan 30 19:20:58 leviathan, maybe we should have a TODO somewhere? Jan 30 19:21:17 uhm Jan 30 19:21:19 yes Jan 30 19:21:23 todo would be fine Jan 30 19:21:36 on htc-linux wiki? Jan 30 19:22:23 yes Jan 30 19:22:28 ok Jan 30 19:23:03 I'll add a todo column Jan 30 19:24:10 y Jan 30 19:24:13 jo Jan 30 19:24:25 joa Jan 30 19:24:28 now ... :) Jan 30 19:26:47 remember: do not try without having had a ciggi and not right afterwards Jan 30 19:27:49 ? Jan 30 19:28:19 typing without having smoked Jan 30 19:28:21 is not good Jan 30 19:28:24 for me Jan 30 19:28:28 ok Jan 30 19:28:45 and typing right after having smoked is not good either Jan 30 19:28:49 because of the flash Jan 30 19:28:49 ;) Jan 30 19:28:58 flash? Jan 30 19:29:05 nicotine flash Jan 30 19:29:15 ok Jan 30 19:29:27 I don't like nicotine and I use gnash Jan 30 19:30:06 xD Jan 30 19:30:11 lol Jan 30 19:30:37 I like smoking, its a break Jan 30 19:30:47 ok Jan 30 19:30:51 and I get a lot of good ideas while I'm smoking Jan 30 19:31:11 additionaly in my bank job I met some high positioned people this way Jan 30 19:31:17 because they smoke to Jan 30 19:31:19 *too Jan 30 19:31:45 so you can talk while you're smoking and can suggest them new technical ideas and solutions Jan 30 19:32:00 and its an opportunity to get additional jobs Jan 30 19:32:05 just because of synergies Jan 30 19:32:20 never under estimate the social potential of smoking Jan 30 19:32:35 in north america smoking is a hard part of the culture Jan 30 19:32:54 its used to solve divergencies of interests Jan 30 19:32:57 and make peace Jan 30 19:33:10 also in europe tabacco got this cultural state Jan 30 19:33:26 but a lot of people do not understand, that smoking is not only an addiction Jan 30 19:33:53 it has also won here in europa a similiar cultural state as it has got in north america Jan 30 19:34:25 but thats not an antropologic chatroom Jan 30 19:34:33 so I'll let go the thema for now ;) Jan 30 19:35:09 maybe I should get a serial cable for the htcdream and for the openmoko Jan 30 19:35:22 uhm, well, would be a good idea Jan 30 19:35:32 leviathan: drinking tea is better than smoking tobacco. Jan 30 19:35:52 I saw that they are not out of stock anymore for the htcdream connectors Jan 30 19:36:00 PaulFertser: I tried to smoke tea for a while to get off of my addiction... didnt work Jan 30 19:36:01 :) Jan 30 19:36:04 leviathan: nikotine is a useless and harmful drug. You almost do not get high but it has plenty of downsides. Jan 30 19:36:19 I drink water with gas inside(don't know how it's called) Jan 30 19:36:21 leviathan: you used to smoke real tea or mary jane? Jan 30 19:36:33 PaulFertser: for me its more a self terapy. because else I've got a violence problem Jan 30 19:36:41 I'm a choleric Jan 30 19:36:42 ;) Jan 30 19:37:03 leviathan: you know if you say i smoked tea it usually means weed. Jan 30 19:37:14 oh Jan 30 19:37:20 no, I ment black tea Jan 30 19:37:22 mint Jan 30 19:37:29 thymian+mint Jan 30 19:37:33 ... didnt help Jan 30 19:37:41 I tried it when i was at school, it's worse than tobacco, too strong. Jan 30 19:37:46 I need nicotine or other people must suffer ;) Jan 30 19:37:57 uhm Jan 30 19:38:02 But i mean drinking tea can be as good for discussing ideas as smoking. Without harming one's health that much. Jan 30 19:38:04 I like weed, but only some times Jan 30 19:38:20 because I cant solve differential equations in my head anymore, when Im high Jan 30 19:38:26 and I dont like it all the time Jan 30 19:38:34 Not surprising :) Jan 30 19:38:56 but sometimes its really relaxing Jan 30 19:39:21 I cant take any clear thought, I'm happy and everything is sufficient Jan 30 19:39:37 the world is perfect Jan 30 19:39:41 dumb and happy Jan 30 19:39:42 ;) Jan 30 19:39:52 but not all the time Jan 30 19:40:00 I couldnt live like that Jan 30 19:40:08 Well, that's understandable. But smoking tobacco every day, several times a day becomes just a weird harmful habit, almost no gain that can't be obtained by other means. Jan 30 19:40:30 uhhm Jan 30 19:40:50 I made my choice between girl friend and smoking Jan 30 19:40:53 both takes time Jan 30 19:40:58 both takes money Jan 30 19:41:04 and both will kill you some day Jan 30 19:41:08 or drinking chocolate while other are drinking coffee Jan 30 19:41:15 but tabacco takes less money and less time Jan 30 19:41:18 :) Jan 30 19:41:48 hmm, I like it to take deep breathes of my cigarette Jan 30 19:41:50 Hm, a hard choice indeed Jan 30 19:41:56 I mean, everyone has its bad habit Jan 30 19:41:58 mine is smoking Jan 30 19:42:02 and beeing asocial Jan 30 19:42:04 in RL Jan 30 19:42:32 wife can fund you while working for FSO...so better choosing girldfriend Jan 30 19:42:34 I've got diabetes, lactose intollerance and I cant eat eggs Jan 30 19:43:07 In addition I dont have the nerve to suffer a woman all the day long Jan 30 19:43:18 when I go into my room, I dont wonna find someone there Jan 30 19:43:36 I wanna close the door and hear... nothing then the PC cooler Jan 30 19:44:11 Its not a bad to smoke, its bad when you want stop and you cant. Jan 30 19:44:20 * DocScrutinizer *FG* Jan 30 19:44:23 I dont wanna stop Jan 30 19:44:25 :) Jan 30 19:44:27 I tried Jan 30 19:44:41 but then my violence problems come back Jan 30 19:44:59 In base school I often beated people who called me nerd Jan 30 19:45:14 I had to go to the psych Jan 30 19:45:15 (gf) Quite the opposite here: i'd like to enter my room and find there a girl who understands me. Jan 30 19:45:17 I was only very nervous when I used proprietary software...I had bad experience with proprietary software Jan 30 19:45:31 hmm Jan 30 19:45:44 * DocScrutinizer rolls a cigarette with extreme conciousness, preparing mentaly to enjoy the nicotine rushing in Jan 30 19:45:53 mmm Jan 30 19:46:17 normally they told me nerd, smog, geek, etc. Jan 30 19:46:22 if RMS says that windows is like tobacco I think I won't like tobacco Jan 30 19:46:24 then I ticked out and broke them Jan 30 19:46:30 arms, legs, noses, etc. Jan 30 19:46:30 s/windows/windows in schools Jan 30 19:46:42 hmm Jan 30 19:46:57 I would send much more people into hospital if I wouldnt smoke Jan 30 19:47:04 and jail is no good place to code Jan 30 19:47:09 so I prefer smoking Jan 30 19:47:16 its in the interest of everyone Jan 30 19:47:17 :) Jan 30 19:47:37 if games are proprietry *software* or main windows drug, I'm really bad man)) Jan 30 19:47:55 ohh, I'm basically a really hatable person Jan 30 19:47:55 leviathan, don't know...ask hans reizer Jan 30 19:47:58 GNUtoo: I wouldn't put to much weight on RMS statements Jan 30 19:48:00 yes Jan 30 19:48:04 I like him Jan 30 19:48:07 but people enjoy games same as enjoy tobacco Jan 30 19:48:07 met him once Jan 30 19:48:14 we've got a lot in common Jan 30 19:48:19 DocScrutinizer, that was just a joke obvbiously Jan 30 19:48:45 what a pitty that he worked so unclean Jan 30 19:48:48 so much mistakes Jan 30 19:48:52 ... anyway Jan 30 19:48:54 max_posedon1, I like wesnoth Jan 30 19:48:58 hmm Jan 30 19:49:00 leviathan: so you've got some advanced fighting skills for a geek it seems. Jan 30 19:49:15 uhm, yes Jan 30 19:49:18 s/fighting/bragging/ Jan 30 19:49:20 he's a dual-class: geek+fighter Jan 30 19:49:42 when I tick out, its no more good Jan 30 19:49:47 (RPG-like references) Jan 30 19:50:06 in barcelona it took two police officers to get me away from the thief who tried to steal my cam Jan 30 19:50:30 dunno exactly how often I beated into his face, when he already lied on the ground Jan 30 19:50:31 .... Jan 30 19:50:42 so Jan 30 19:50:46 its better I smoke Jan 30 19:50:55 Ok, now we all see and agree :) Jan 30 19:50:55 else a lot of people get a real problem... Jan 30 19:51:00 :) Jan 30 19:51:46 I've got a lot of psychosies and other illnesses Jan 30 19:51:48 but I can code Jan 30 19:51:56 and I can analyse stuff Jan 30 19:52:06 so the best way is to give me problems Jan 30 19:52:13 and let me be, how I am Jan 30 19:52:30 as long as the interaction doesnt touch my life Jan 30 19:52:33 im friendly Jan 30 19:52:34 :) Jan 30 19:53:14 my exgirlfriend found out how far someone is allowed to go with me, when a workstation flow in her direction Jan 30 19:53:30 that was the abortion of the relationship :) Jan 30 19:53:34 but no fear Jan 30 19:53:37 didnt hit her Jan 30 19:53:48 sadly... >_< Jan 30 19:54:09 let's see if ts_calibrate fixed my calibration problem on freerunner(I hope the /etc/pointercal is feeded in teh sysfs) Jan 30 19:54:14 mmm Jan 30 19:54:20 hmm Jan 30 19:54:21 ok Jan 30 19:54:26 leviathan: a workstation? I thought you love your computers ;) Jan 30 19:54:31 lol Jan 30 19:54:34 xD Jan 30 19:54:44 ash to ash, love to love ;) Jan 30 19:54:51 leviathan: it's a welknown fact all creative genius arises from mental tension Jan 30 19:54:58 yes Jan 30 19:55:14 hard part, I really like raiser, because we have a lot in common Jan 30 19:55:18 so... no good sign Jan 30 19:55:21 :) Jan 30 19:55:47 we did come along very good in the congress Jan 30 19:55:51 drunk some mate Jan 30 19:56:00 and talked about raiser fs Jan 30 19:56:18 I even tried it out on my old debian, because he told me how to configure it Jan 30 19:56:28 nice gui Jan 30 19:56:34 like me somehow... yes Jan 30 19:56:42 She was a stupid fucking bitch anyway... Jan 30 19:56:54 citate from him? Jan 30 19:56:59 ok works now Jan 30 19:57:02 ok Jan 30 19:57:08 Nope, i've read the stories about all that trial and stuff. Jan 30 19:57:16 oh, ok Jan 30 19:57:46 Do you know he met her on some special "date a foreigner" event in St.Petersburg in Russia or something like that? Jan 30 19:58:32 he didnt talk a lot of her, basically I remarked that he has something to do with a woman, when he was phone called by her Jan 30 19:58:33 ... Jan 30 19:58:38 lol Jan 30 19:59:14 so now your decision for nicotine really makes sense ;-P Jan 30 19:59:21 yes Jan 30 19:59:23 :) Jan 30 19:59:50 nevertheless, gentlemen. We really are way OT Jan 30 20:00:08 :) Jan 30 20:00:25 GNUtoo: your using Xorg now on your freerunner? Jan 30 20:00:31 yes Jan 30 20:00:38 did you try the new kernel with 3d-support for freerunner? Jan 30 20:00:40 I use what SHR uses Jan 30 20:00:45 oh, ok Jan 30 20:00:50 ah I used stock thing Jan 30 20:00:52 but you can change the default kernel Jan 30 20:00:56 I'll look Jan 30 20:01:08 someone wrote a real-3d-driver Jan 30 20:01:16 now you can turn glxgears around Jan 30 20:01:24 and play supertux with opengl Jan 30 20:01:25 ^^ Jan 30 20:01:37 uhhm, not to forget tuxracer Jan 30 20:02:22 mickey|dinner: uhhm, can it be, that fsodeviced is broken somehow Jan 30 20:02:23 ? Jan 30 20:04:51 leviathan, I'm not shure the hardware is powerfull enough for that Jan 30 20:05:15 leviathan, sorry, but neo still haven't real-3d-driver Jan 30 20:05:39 only kms and some improvments, really nice improvments Jan 30 20:05:39 as far as I know the graphical operations are not blocking anymore Jan 30 20:05:47 but not opengl support Jan 30 20:05:48 leviathan: playing supertux with accels sure would be fun :) Jan 30 20:05:48 which is a huge progress Jan 30 20:06:03 like this? : Jan 30 20:06:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg-W1NZlu0A Jan 30 20:08:50 (use youtube-dl or clive if you don't have gnash or flash) Jan 30 20:09:16 GNUtoo: hehe, yes Jan 30 20:09:38 youtube now have html5 and h264 Jan 30 20:09:55 if somebody don't want youtube-dl, and have browser with support it Jan 30 20:09:56 wtf?! Jan 30 20:10:04 DocScrutinizer, youtube.com/html5 Jan 30 20:10:10 click "Join" Jan 30 20:10:15 playing supertux becomes a real sport(you make muscules ) Jan 30 20:10:22 good for geeks Jan 30 20:10:27 after this, most videos - h264, no flash required Jan 30 20:10:36 still succs that not ogg, but better than flash Jan 30 20:10:49 * DocScrutinizer51 gives SoC a nice heatup Jan 30 20:11:17 btw, n900 should be able play this h264 I think Jan 30 20:11:22 could you test?) Jan 30 20:14:21 too bad firefox/iceweasel/icecat/etc... doesn't have h264...but they can't because of patents Jan 30 20:14:25 guess what I'm about toi do Jan 30 20:14:31 n810 also can play h264 Jan 30 20:14:31 google cheated with patents if I remember well Jan 30 20:14:43 I have some video clips from shaman Jan 30 20:14:49 a brasilian power metal band Jan 30 20:14:56 in h264 encoded on my n810 Jan 30 20:15:00 plays fluently Jan 30 20:15:19 GNUtoo, I feel its stupid, when browser embed player codecs inside Jan 30 20:15:23 hmmüpff Jan 30 20:15:23 so because n810 and n900 are similiar hardware, n900 should manage it to Jan 30 20:15:35 mmm Jan 30 20:15:44 firefox/whatever should use gstreamer Jan 30 20:15:49 "your browser doesn't currently support any of the formats... bla bla" Jan 30 20:15:51 ok Jan 30 20:16:00 lol Jan 30 20:16:14 yes that is a good idea.... Jan 30 20:16:23 is gstreamer portable under many OS? Jan 30 20:16:31 s/support/recognize Jan 30 20:18:03 GNUtoo, I think yes Jan 30 20:18:18 ok Jan 30 20:18:20 but still codecs/video output stuff not portable anyway Jan 30 20:18:28 ah ok Jan 30 20:18:38 directx vs opengl vs overlay etc Jan 30 20:18:49 so, firefox have some per-flatform code anyway Jan 30 20:19:16 yes but it would support more codecs/containers etc... Jan 30 20:19:19 in other case, its nice, that most popular browser doesn't support h264 Jan 30 20:27:22 nice Jan 30 20:27:26 linux-leviathan Jan 30 20:27:34 coolomatic Jan 30 20:27:50 now there is even a kernel file in the branch named after me ^_^ Jan 30 20:28:39 hello all Jan 30 20:28:57 can someone tell me how to add opkg.org repo to SHR repos? Jan 30 20:29:11 few fso2 questions: is possible start fso2 daemons themselfs without python frameworkd? Jan 30 20:29:14 I almost forgot the todo Jan 30 20:29:17 pbaxter, first I'll tell you this: Jan 30 20:29:22 pbaxter, make recipes Jan 30 20:29:39 GNUtoo: what a recipe is? Jan 30 20:29:43 we can't be held responsible to the condition of your box after you do that. Jan 30 20:29:45 mickey|dinner, or smbd from fso team? Jan 30 20:29:47 after you realize that. Jan 30 20:29:54 pbaxter, /etc/opkg/ Jan 30 20:30:12 TAsn: then? Jan 30 20:30:33 that's intuitive Jan 30 20:30:36 just look there Jan 30 20:30:39 it's simple from there on Jan 30 20:30:59 just edit arch.conf Jan 30 20:31:00 TAsn: i don't know which name to add in the file for opkg.org repo Jan 30 20:31:07 pbaxter, a recipe looks like this: http://pastebin.com/d41adfcbe Jan 30 20:31:11 and create a file for the repo Jan 30 20:31:17 pbaxter, oh, what's the address? no idea... Jan 30 20:31:55 me neither Jan 30 20:32:02 pbaxter, if you do a recipe for a software, it could be integrated into SHR easily Jan 30 20:32:24 pbaxter: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/314 Jan 30 20:32:30 some of my recipe were integrated,like xboard for instance Jan 30 20:32:43 pbaxter: your problem was there already Jan 30 20:32:48 look into the ticket ;) Jan 30 20:32:54 GNUtoo: what is xboard? Jan 30 20:32:56 GNUtoo, xboard rocks :P Jan 30 20:32:57 is it game? Jan 30 20:33:01 thanks leviathan Jan 30 20:33:10 leviathan: i was searching it but cannot find Jan 30 20:33:13 pbaxter, a chess frontend Jan 30 20:33:13 pbaxter: youre welcome :) Jan 30 20:33:44 pbaxter, with the right command line argument you can play gnu-chess,against oponents or another easier chess engine Jan 30 20:33:58 DocScrutinizer, fennec for n900 was released today, may be it supports it? Jan 30 20:34:10 GNUtoo, WHAT?! how can I choose an easier chess engine? gnuchess is kicking my ass :P Jan 30 20:34:25 thanks all ;) Jan 30 20:34:29 going out right now Jan 30 20:34:37 TAsn, phalanx Jan 30 20:34:38 ok Jan 30 20:34:40 GNUtoo, btw, please add in icon + launcher for xboard Jan 30 20:34:43 GNUtoo, sweet. Jan 30 20:34:44 mickey|dinner: fso HEAD is in good enough shape for sane-srcrev-fso now? I guess we need to bump it a bit for those machine override configs you announced.. Jan 30 20:34:45 GNUtoo: buona serata! Jan 30 20:34:50 TAsn: maybe there is cheat code to get unlimited ammo :p ? Jan 30 20:34:58 fennec been bashed to dust. not eager to test it Jan 30 20:35:04 TAsn, I did this very long time ago...I was very new to oe Jan 30 20:35:05 misc, hehe yeah, unlimited "queens" Jan 30 20:35:19 GNUtoo, i c. Jan 30 20:43:35 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4832 <- command for launching it inside the bugreport Jan 30 20:51:47 ehi this trac skin is awesome!! Jan 30 20:51:48 http://openmoko.opendevice.org:8080/testtrac Jan 30 20:52:00 I wonder if you have some idea when it will become the default Jan 30 20:52:59 TAsn, do you have commit access to SHR or oe btw? Jan 30 20:53:09 because I'd like to have phalanx in shr Jan 30 20:53:23 else each time I have to bitbake it Jan 30 20:53:25 I don't. Jan 30 20:53:35 but spaetz and mrmoku got Jan 30 20:53:40 and maybe Heinervdm and JaMa|GoNe Jan 30 20:53:49 ok Jan 30 20:54:06 JaMa has but i haven't Jan 30 20:54:08 because I've commit access to oe but I don't think I've the permission to change what's build in shr feeds Jan 30 20:54:27 bitbaking phalanx Jan 30 20:54:37 so I'll check that it realy works Jan 30 20:55:00 GNUtoo: just ask and add a Signed-of :) Jan 30 20:55:07 ok Jan 30 20:55:14 TAsn: sure I have rw :) Jan 30 20:55:25 btw there will be people selling freerunners at fosdem....I'm thinking about getting a very cheap debug board Jan 30 20:55:30 TAsn: did you expect that mrmoku is still eating all those cookies? :) Jan 30 20:55:41 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * ra9a65138f1b4 10/src/util/ui-utils.h: Added VIEW_PTR macro that accepts a struct that "inherited" struct View and returns a (struct View *). Jan 30 20:55:45 * mrmoku would be very, very fat by now then :P Jan 30 20:55:52 JaMa|GoNe, :) I remembered one of you had, and the other does not. Jan 30 20:55:55 :D Jan 30 20:56:05 When we use "connect to server" to access a folder on remote host , if we delete a file with this access how can we restore it ? Jan 30 20:56:12 mickey|dinner: heyo, I've got some additional patches Jan 30 20:56:17 look onto shr-devel Jan 30 20:56:29 GNUtoo: ask weiss, he has spare debug board.. Jan 30 20:56:31 ah I almost forgot to do the TODO Jan 30 20:56:34 ok Jan 30 20:56:39 he will be at fosdem? Jan 30 20:56:42 GNUtoo: yes, the todo Jan 30 20:57:05 GNUtoo: I'm not sure if he goes there.. Jan 30 20:57:44 JaMa|GoNe, ok I'll go there and I think I'll buy 1 debug board and some t-shirts and maybe some other stuff Jan 30 20:58:27 mhm Jan 30 20:58:29 dito Jan 30 20:58:35 I need a debug board Jan 30 20:58:46 I also could use it for several other devices Jan 30 20:58:51 I don't know if I realy need one but It could be usefull to have serial+kgdb or something like this Jan 30 20:58:51 jtag has some standarts Jan 30 20:59:02 leviathan, won't work on other devices Jan 30 20:59:07 hmm Jan 30 20:59:15 leviathan, do you have a parallel port? Jan 30 20:59:15 I need a JTAG interface Jan 30 20:59:20 nope Jan 30 20:59:23 not anymore Jan 30 20:59:26 ok Jan 30 20:59:32 leviathan, what about kgdb? Jan 30 20:59:39 yes Jan 30 20:59:41 GNUtoo: well he already had debug board and now he bought 2nd fr from delicio.. and they are selling frs with debug board included.. Jan 30 20:59:52 but I'd like to debug bioschips etc too Jan 30 20:59:53 GNUtoo: so I think he will be glad to sell it.. Jan 30 20:59:53 ok Jan 30 21:00:06 so I'll need a real jtag interface sooner or later Jan 30 21:00:29 I've got pcb production equipment, an oscilloskop and other stuff here Jan 30 21:00:38 a white board Jan 30 21:00:44 and a datacenter Jan 30 21:01:00 so everything I need to create new innovative stuff Jan 30 21:01:02 :) Jan 30 21:01:05 leviathan, http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9167 Jan 30 21:01:26 mrmoku: I'm testing that EFL bump from ynezz and then I would bump fso revs for those updated machine configs mickey announced.. (hopefully less problems than last time) do you agree? Jan 30 21:01:40 leviathan, there are jtag and jtag...what kind of jtag do you need? a cheap one? Jan 30 21:02:18 nice Jan 30 21:02:24 hmm Jan 30 21:02:45 surely I need the basic register check functionality Jan 30 21:02:59 so checking every single chip on the board Jan 30 21:03:17 then I need to do some hacking to make them start write and read cycles Jan 30 21:04:38 ok Jan 30 21:04:39 IEEE Std 1532-2002: IEEE Standard for In-System Configuration of Programmable Devices Jan 30 21:04:56 it needs to understand/speak this standart Jan 30 21:05:05 leviathan, you also need the hidden functionalities? Jan 30 21:05:12 yes Jan 30 21:05:17 lol ok Jan 30 21:05:32 (like in the 26c3 talk) Jan 30 21:05:36 yes Jan 30 21:05:42 did you be there?? Jan 30 21:05:50 how to do recovery on shr ? Jan 30 21:06:05 GNUtoo: Did I miss you there?? Jan 30 21:06:15 didnt know you were there... :( Jan 30 21:06:21 leviathan, no I looked at the videos Jan 30 21:06:24 aha Jan 30 21:06:26 ok Jan 30 21:06:41 I only met playya there, but I was only there the last day Jan 30 21:06:42 leviathan, you go at fosdem? Jan 30 21:06:46 because I had a hard flu Jan 30 21:06:49 ok Jan 30 21:06:51 hmm Jan 30 21:06:54 do you? Jan 30 21:07:04 yes I will(already booked) Jan 30 21:07:07 I'll have to buy a ticket monday Jan 30 21:07:11 ok Jan 30 21:07:20 I guess, I'll travel with train Jan 30 21:07:33 or so Jan 30 21:07:35 I have to go too :/ Jan 30 21:11:06 Heinervdm: ynezz found that train czech-fosdem would be about 600e and plane only about 150e, but with accomodation and other expenses quite a lot for so short trip :/ Jan 30 21:11:42 Heinervdm: so I hope there will be some recordings from openmoko room takls Jan 30 21:11:48 s/takls/talks/ Jan 30 21:11:48 JaMa|GoNe meant: Heinervdm: so I hope there will be some recordings from openmoko room talks Jan 30 21:12:18 150€ is quite a lot Jan 30 21:12:33 I will go by car, 300km Jan 30 21:12:52 so it's ~50€ Jan 30 21:12:53 If it was only 300km away from me i'd go by car too :| Jan 30 21:13:10 Or hitch-hiking :) Jan 30 21:13:31 I would go by Bike, but not at that weather Jan 30 21:15:10 300km in 2 days there, 2 days fosdem and 2 days back? :) Jan 30 21:15:27 Heinervdm: or you could go 300km on bike in one day? Jan 30 21:15:30 Motobike Jan 30 21:15:45 ah :) Jan 30 21:16:06 That would be faster then car ;) Jan 30 21:17:01 spaetz: heyo Jan 30 21:17:16 you're study'n in eth zürich Jan 30 21:17:20 aren't you? Jan 30 21:17:25 are you going by car? Jan 30 21:20:02 Heinervdm: I've forwarded one e-mail from koen about ewebkit to your ml@ e-mail.. Jan 30 21:20:41 JaMa|GoNe: i've seen it. i'm answering right now Jan 30 21:21:27 great.. Jan 30 21:24:03 leviathan, g_ether now works as module? Jan 30 21:24:14 it should... hmm Jan 30 21:24:17 oops Jan 30 21:24:21 didnt push it... Jan 30 21:24:22 mom Jan 30 21:25:36 http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming/commit/07891983d491ac91d85b40786a1d0d26a3ddbba6 Jan 30 21:26:54 so Jan 30 21:27:26 now msm_hsusb_set_vbus_state gets a global adress Jan 30 21:27:34 which can get manipulated by any driver Jan 30 21:28:20 only alternative would have been to rewrite the whole driver Jan 30 21:29:12 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1196944/can-i-replace-a-linux-kernel-function-with-a-module Jan 30 21:29:16 got it from there Jan 30 21:29:54 ok Jan 30 21:30:06 http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status Jan 30 21:32:27 leviathan, do you want/need that : http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9167 Jan 30 21:34:06 GNUtoo, wow, NICE progress :) from the wiki page I get the impression it's closer than ever. Jan 30 21:34:08 leviathan: as shr/unstable branch == oe.dev branch now.. you should send those patches like changing default kernel provider to oe-devel ML instead shr-devel Jan 30 21:34:43 leviathan: or just ask GNUtoo to commit it for you :) Jan 30 21:40:09 okee Jan 30 21:40:11 :) Jan 30 21:40:15 GNUtoo? Jan 30 21:40:21 can you commit for me? ;) Jan 30 21:40:41 leviathan, ok what should I commit? Jan 30 21:40:47 shr-devel Jan 30 21:40:50 the two patches Jan 30 21:40:51 :) Jan 30 21:41:03 leviathan, the rule is to commit to oe.dev Jan 30 21:41:11 uhm, yes Jan 30 21:41:12 then it got merged in shr Jan 30 21:41:13 GNUtoo, leviathan any update about the sound issue on shr for the htc dream? Jan 30 21:41:25 uhm Jan 30 21:41:35 graziano, do you want to try? Jan 30 21:41:35 when will a testing shr image for the dream will be available? Jan 30 21:41:45 the most actual state of the branch solves everything for me Jan 30 21:41:47 :) Jan 30 21:41:54 graziano, http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status Jan 30 21:42:08 graziano: its building atm Jan 30 21:42:32 leviathan, where are the 2 patches...I will have to test them before commiting Jan 30 21:42:35 and also... Jan 30 21:42:45 *they need good commit messages* Jan 30 21:42:51 it's very important Jan 30 21:42:51 shr-devel Jan 30 21:43:07 you can change the commit messages, if you like Jan 30 21:43:10 because I can't commit something without that....there was a talk about adding a hook against that Jan 30 21:43:37 GNUtoo: look into shr-devel, review the commits Jan 30 21:43:43 ok Jan 30 21:43:44 modify if possible Jan 30 21:43:47 :) Jan 30 21:43:54 what are the names of the threads? Jan 30 21:43:56 its so simple, I dont see any harm Jan 30 21:44:01 ok Jan 30 21:44:03 the two tops Jan 30 21:44:04 :) Jan 30 21:44:21 GNUtoo: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/ Jan 30 21:44:28 nice Jan 30 21:44:31 thanks Heinervdm Jan 30 21:44:36 perhaps that's easier Jan 30 21:45:14 mmm Jan 30 21:45:22 leviathan, the alsa scenarii are ok Jan 30 21:45:59 leviathan, but conf/machine/htcdream.conf would need some concensus...maybe ask mickeyl if I can change something like that Jan 30 21:47:02 ok Jan 30 21:47:04 np Jan 30 21:47:41 leviathan, for alsa-scenarii you forgetten to add the scenarii files? Jan 30 21:49:05 leviathan, becuse the patch will install openmoko's scenarii made for the openmoko sound card Jan 30 21:49:12 we have very different controls Jan 30 21:50:08 leviathan, also the alsamixer control you did looks very good in screenshots...but they don't work well for me...maybe we could try to fix that before pushing scenarii no? Jan 30 21:52:27 uhhm, hmm, ok Jan 30 21:53:28 leviathan, I'm checking the git to look if you commited something in it Jan 30 21:54:05 (git://git.shr-project.org/repo/shr-themes.git ) Jan 30 21:54:56 leviathan, ~/temp/shr-themes/alsa-scenarii-shr $ ls => om-3d7k om-gta01 om-gta02 Jan 30 21:56:26 leviathan, S = "${WORKDIR}/git/${PN}/${MACHINE_ARCH}" => your patch would have failed Jan 30 21:56:34 uhm, do I have rights to push there something? Jan 30 21:57:05 leviathan, that is shr's git repo...I've no rights there Jan 30 21:57:12 hmm Jan 30 21:57:16 I'm only an oe person Jan 30 21:57:26 hmm, where I can get SHR rights? Jan 30 21:57:31 ask shr-devel ml Jan 30 21:57:36 hmm, ok Jan 30 21:57:40 but better submit a patch Jan 30 21:57:46 ok Jan 30 21:57:49 ask mrmoku Jan 30 21:57:55 against that git Jan 30 21:58:50 leviathan: which repo? Jan 30 21:59:06 the shr-themes? Jan 30 21:59:13 jup Jan 30 21:59:27 leviathan: just send me your public ssh key Jan 30 22:00:39 SHR: 03ospite 07shr-themes * r9f3bec773fa3 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/a780/rules.yaml: Add initial rules.yaml for a780. Jan 30 22:00:47 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-themes * r8fc7941b9dc2 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (9 files in 3 dirs): frameworkd: drop config for fso daemons, now provided in oe repo with recipes and also in cornucopia repo Jan 30 22:00:54 ok Jan 30 22:01:05 mrmoku: thx! Jan 30 22:01:24 mrmoku, JaMa did you know could fso2 work without frameworkd? Jan 30 22:01:46 max_posedon: well... depends if you need opimd Jan 30 22:01:56 for example I don't for now Jan 30 22:02:10 I don't understand what and how fso2 stuff will be started Jan 30 22:02:51 sent Jan 30 22:02:54 ok Jan 30 22:03:38 max_posedon: everthing with an o at the beginning needs frameword ;) Jan 30 22:04:08 Heinervdm, questions is, how mush everithing with fso at beginning needs frameword Jan 30 22:04:35 how does fsousaged/fsogsmd/fsodeviced will start, if frameword doesn't run Jan 30 22:04:37 max_posedon: i think nothing Jan 30 22:04:53 so, how it starts? Jan 30 22:04:58 dbus hook Jan 30 22:05:24 at boot I was needed start frameworkd, what now I need do? Jan 30 22:05:30 start...nothing? Jan 30 22:06:24 depends on what you want Jan 30 22:06:56 I want fsogsmd/fsousaged/fsodevices/fsogpsd etc-etc-etc Jan 30 22:07:15 directly at the boot? Jan 30 22:07:35 max_posedon: fsogsmd had .service for dbus but we have it removed from shr builds Jan 30 22:07:49 max_posedon: because it was conflicting with running ogsmd from frameworkd Jan 30 22:08:00 I'm playing with gentoo, I can do whatever I want Jan 30 22:08:04 max_posedon: you can add similar startup script as fsodeviced have Jan 30 22:08:08 but I misunderstand how it works Jan 30 22:08:47 Heinervdm, for now any working variant acceptable Jan 30 22:09:10 iirc only fsousaged and fsogsmd are started automatically on dbus call Jan 30 22:09:44 other daemons should be as service.. but maybe in newer revs that we have is .service file also provided for rest Jan 30 22:10:03 fsodeviced too I think... just too late for the idle notifier to work Jan 30 22:10:07 could you check, or point me where I should check? Jan 30 22:10:08 so we start it manually Jan 30 22:10:42 max_posedon: for testing you can start it all manually Jan 30 22:10:43 (but remember, I'm stupid about all this fso1/fso2 magic) Jan 30 22:10:58 and later you can optimice Jan 30 22:13:03 mrmoku: ok for fso2 bump? Jan 30 22:13:21 JaMa: ? Jan 30 22:13:47 JaMa: I'm not up-to-date on the latest changes... Jan 30 22:13:58 JaMa: mickey|dinner should tell us :) Jan 30 22:14:30 mrmoku: already asked, waiting for ack.. Jan 30 22:14:45 mrmoku: I would like to bump it for gta01 configs for fso daemons Jan 30 22:15:00 mrmoku: better than adding more configs to oe recipes Jan 30 22:17:03 mrmoku: ah seems like only fsodeviced is providing it sofar Jan 30 22:28:00 JaMa: ok Jan 30 22:28:04 leviathan: still no mail Jan 30 22:36:23 mrmoku: what?? Jan 30 22:39:48 top Jan 30 22:43:49 long diner I bet... Jan 30 22:44:29 btw leviathan I've some compilation-only fix for camera Jan 30 22:44:46 hmm Jan 30 22:44:46 leviathan, should I send a patch with a good commit message? Jan 30 22:44:54 uhhm, yes Jan 30 22:44:57 would be nice Jan 30 22:45:00 ok Jan 30 22:45:12 I'll push some soundtheme soon Jan 30 22:45:15 leviathan, btw we have no mailing list Jan 30 22:45:28 ok Jan 30 22:45:34 uuuuhhm? Jan 30 22:45:42 you mean shr-trout? Jan 30 22:45:48 yes Jan 30 22:45:53 shr-msm Jan 30 22:45:58 okee Jan 30 22:46:02 or something like that Jan 30 22:46:10 I can provide a replicant ml if you want Jan 30 22:46:11 should i create one in lists.o2s.ch? Jan 30 22:46:23 if you want Jan 30 22:46:26 hmm Jan 30 22:46:31 good too Jan 30 22:46:39 then I dont have to create a list :) Jan 30 22:46:44 ah ok Jan 30 22:46:52 I'll suscribe to the replicant list then Jan 30 22:46:58 it's already created Jan 30 22:47:11 ok Jan 30 22:48:54 I'm suscribed now Jan 30 22:48:56 the address is: Jan 30 22:49:07 http://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/replicant Jan 30 22:53:52 ok Jan 30 22:53:54 subscribed Jan 30 22:55:01 ok we need to wait: Jan 30 22:55:04 "Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing list, your subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email, or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you will soon get a confirmation email which contains further instructions. " Jan 30 22:55:05 SHR: 03david.lanzendoerfer 07shr-themes * rc64c32bc50c5 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/htcdream/ (frameworkd.conf rules.yaml): Added htcdream configuration **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 30 22:55:46 2010 Jan 30 22:58:18 leviathan, nice ... I didn't thought that repo holded frameworkd.conf and rules.yaml Jan 30 22:58:19 UHUUUH Jan 30 22:58:22 :P yay! (htcdream) Jan 30 22:58:29 ? Jan 30 22:58:40 the last commit to shr Jan 30 22:58:47 SHR: david.lanzendoerfer shr-themes * rc64c32bc50c5 /frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/htcdream/ (frameworkd.conf rules.yaml): Added htcdream configuration Jan 30 22:58:50 yes I saw that Jan 30 22:59:01 just before beeing disconnected Jan 30 22:59:34 yes Jan 30 22:59:41 yeah, we were only 8 people in the chan (or something like that) while you were missing. :P Jan 30 22:59:56 now I can stop heavy patching of my recipes Jan 30 23:00:11 :) Jan 30 23:00:22 I saw...I reconnected before the others Jan 30 23:00:24 WTF?! Jan 30 23:00:56 just before beeing deconnected there was a [Global Notice] Jan 30 23:01:02 yes Jan 30 23:01:05 about ssl Jan 30 23:01:05 [2010-01-30 23:55:08] [Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, Some of you (irssi users in particular) have had some problems regarding our SSL certificate. There's some instructions/information over at http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml Thanks to Bazerka and tomaw for investigating the issue and figuring it out! Jan 30 23:01:07 [2010-01-30 23:55:18] <-- everslick hat den Server verlassen (*.net *.split). Jan 30 23:01:08 [2010-01-30 23:55:18] <-- Kero hat den Server verlassen (*.net *.split). Jan 30 23:01:12 indeed Jan 30 23:01:17 I just used ssl Jan 30 23:01:23 I also use ssl Jan 30 23:01:25 yeah watch the timestamps Jan 30 23:01:26 hmm, I didnt know if you will be happy about this push ;) Jan 30 23:01:32 aaah Jan 30 23:01:36 but you are, so, everything well Jan 30 23:01:47 yes Jan 30 23:02:50 I read they plan to change the organization of the SHR project to get more device indipendency Jan 30 23:02:54 leviathan, why wouldn't we? Jan 30 23:03:01 hmm Jan 30 23:03:05 cool Jan 30 23:03:18 and I don't think there's anything need to be changed in order to support more devices Jan 30 23:03:28 means it gets totaly easy to make support for nearly every device Jan 30 23:03:33 (except for device specific configs...) Jan 30 23:03:34 that was always my dream ;D Jan 30 23:03:50 I just want an htc dream :P Jan 30 23:03:52 or a palm pre Jan 30 23:04:00 or a nexus one Jan 30 23:04:13 in other words, I want a good device to run shr on :P Jan 30 23:04:24 especially since my moko's ts is broken :P Jan 30 23:04:30 ts ? Jan 30 23:04:31 TAsn, mmm maybe wait for full support and then buy one but beware the screen is 320x480 on htcdream Jan 30 23:04:44 yuck :P Jan 30 23:04:47 oh, gotcha Jan 30 23:05:12 TAsn, my moko is a little bit broken too...the bootloader button on top-left was badly resoldered...so it works only when the case is open Jan 30 23:05:24 I think the name is aux Jan 30 23:05:25 GNUtoo, lol ;P Jan 30 23:05:30 yeah, it's aux Jan 30 23:05:43 that's not as bad as a broken ts... Jan 30 23:05:45 :P Jan 30 23:05:56 ouch Jan 30 23:05:57 It's less than responsive :P Jan 30 23:06:11 and not accurate in some places Jan 30 23:06:18 and terribly not accurate in other Jan 30 23:06:47 though I already calibrated my brain to compensate for those inaccuracies :P Jan 30 23:07:25 so it's (except for the not-responsive part) quite usable for me Jan 30 23:07:32 and it's still my main and only phone :) Jan 30 23:08:35 anyhow, Weiss how's the glamo driver going? :P /me wants it badly. Jan 30 23:08:36 :) Jan 30 23:09:43 TAsn: have you tried xinput-calibrator? Jan 30 23:10:24 where can I get it from? Jan 30 23:11:09 ok, trying :P Jan 30 23:12:43 OMG Jan 30 23:12:44 :PPPPP Jan 30 23:12:45 :)))) Jan 30 23:12:50 JaMa, THANKS. Jan 30 23:12:53 I can't believe it. :P Jan 30 23:13:54 JaMa, WOW. Jan 30 23:14:02 JaMa, are the changes persistent? Jan 30 23:15:10 JaMa, wow :P Jan 30 23:15:29 TAsn: no.. but I have it quite prepared in that calibration script we have.. Jan 30 23:15:51 just noticed: "To make the settings permanent, create add a startup script for your window manager with the following command(s):" Jan 30 23:15:52 :P Jan 30 23:16:28 should I just add it to 89xTs_Calibrate ? Jan 30 23:16:32 yes.. but if you want that automatized it's better to run it only first time.. store that output and never run it again on same device.. Jan 30 23:16:43 that's what I prepared in that script.. Jan 30 23:17:27 huh? the output of xinput_calibration suggest adding Jan 30 23:17:39 xinput set-int-prop "Touchscreen" "Evdev Axis Calibration" 32 7 1001 5 998 Jan 30 23:18:02 yes.. mmt Jan 30 23:19:22 just added that line to the end of Jan 30 23:19:27 89xTs_Calibrate Jan 30 23:19:31 ffs! Jan 30 23:19:36 do you read? :) Jan 30 23:19:56 that script does exactly that.. but without user intervention.. Jan 30 23:20:09 JaMa, so how come it was broken? Jan 30 23:20:11 :P Jan 30 23:20:18 or it just saves the last calibration data? Jan 30 23:20:53 what was broken? Jan 30 23:21:05 xinput-calibrator was added to feeds about 2 weeks ago.. Jan 30 23:21:23 everything was not calibrated correctly (to work with my broken ts) Jan 30 23:21:24 I've added it to feeds and prepared script on spitz Jan 30 23:21:39 only running xinput-calibrator now fixed it. Jan 30 23:21:46 the changes in xinput-calibrator Jan 30 23:21:49 yes we were using kernel calibrations wich worked only on 95% frs Jan 30 23:21:49 are not persistent Jan 30 23:22:07 and suggested adding a line to each boot. Jan 30 23:22:25 JaMa, that's exactly what I'm asking, what restores the values I just calibrated?! Jan 30 23:22:34 after a reboot Jan 30 23:22:37 JaMa, will you build new emtooth svn version when have a moment? I've added truting support and a dialog popup to ask for pin ;) Jan 30 23:22:45 *trusting Jan 30 23:23:01 pespin: do I have to test it or is it safe to bump rev? Jan 30 23:23:27 pespin, what does emtooth allows you to do? Jan 30 23:23:30 JaMa, I has been only 2 commits afair, and it works here Jan 30 23:24:01 it may sometimes fail when pairing from other devices, but this happened before new commits (have to look at it when have time). Jan 30 23:24:14 TAsn: magic numbers in 89xTs_Calibrate "calibrate" it as it was you can remove them and put there only that xinput line Jan 30 23:24:26 TAsn, discover devices, change local and remote device settings, pair/trust remote devices Jan 30 23:24:36 JaMa, OK that's what I said! Jan 30 23:24:46 I added xinput set-int-prop "Touchscreen" "Evdev Axis Calibration" 32 7 1001 5 998 Jan 30 23:24:47 there Jan 30 23:25:03 TAsn: but as I said I have better 89xTs_Calibrate which checks that xinput-calibrator is installed if yes, if it was run already (xinput values are stored) than it uses that, and if it wasn't run it starts xinput-calibrator when starting xorg Jan 30 23:25:06 pespin, i.e connect to an headset/keyboard? Jan 30 23:25:20 TAsn: and store those values for next run (without need to run calibration again) Jan 30 23:25:21 TAsn, no idea, never tried it :P Jan 30 23:25:23 JaMa, how can I get that one? Jan 30 23:26:01 TAsn: but the problem I had was that xinput-calibrator was executed too soon and failed to start from Xinit.d because input layer wasn't ready.. Jan 30 23:26:07 so I haven't pushed that one yet Jan 30 23:26:27 do you see now? Jan 30 23:26:29 JaMa, anyhow, I can remove all of the crap in 89xTs... right? (all the ifs) Jan 30 23:26:36 TAsn: yes Jan 30 23:26:41 JaMa, yes, so you are saying it won't work for me, right? Jan 30 23:27:31 it will work just fine if you replace whole 89x* file with that one line Jan 30 23:27:40 oh, ok. Jan 30 23:27:43 that's what I did. Jan 30 23:27:44 :p Jan 30 23:27:56 but for other users it should be done automatically.. Jan 30 23:28:11 and will be as soon as I fix that script and push it.. Jan 30 23:28:14 JaMa, thanks a lot, I can't believe it's finally fixed. Jan 30 23:28:15 :P Jan 30 23:28:19 going to bed.. bye Jan 30 23:28:22 ciao. Jan 30 23:28:33 TAsn: you could get it sooned if you read oe-devel :P Jan 30 23:28:53 JaMa, but I don't have write access anyway, so I don't want to get spammed :P Jan 30 23:29:06 TAsn, which bluez commands do you use to connect to kb/headset? Jan 30 23:29:17 pespin, I don't have any, so I don't :P Jan 30 23:30:07 TAsn, haha ok Jan 30 23:30:39 well, I have no idea what connecting to those device involve. If it's just pairing/trusting it might work. Jan 30 23:30:44 JaMa|Zzzz, I already read shr-user/devel/core/e-devel/moko-kernel and review almost everything committed to libphone*, phoneuid and phonefsod, (and that's without including r/l) so I don't have time for more spam :P Jan 30 23:30:58 pespin, from what I remember it's easy as hell Jan 30 23:31:14 just rtfm :P Jan 30 23:31:22 or even better, rtfg (read the fine google) Jan 30 23:31:30 it should be a one liner Jan 30 23:31:34 anyhow, I'm also off, ciao. Jan 30 23:32:18 TAsn, how are you shure your screen is broken? Jan 30 23:32:18 I'll look in openmoko wiki Jan 30 23:32:50 TAsn, because after an upgrade I did ts_calibrate and it is ok again Jan 30 23:33:54 GNUtoo, because I bumped into a table with the screen facing outside and it stopped working ever since Jan 30 23:33:55 :P Jan 30 23:34:22 and I had sections I couldn't click Jan 30 23:34:28 ok Jan 30 23:34:29 and huge offsets Jan 30 23:34:38 but after calibrating and testing for a sec Jan 30 23:34:42 it seems ok again. Jan 30 23:34:45 ok Jan 30 23:34:50 wow Jan 30 23:34:59 so it's probably not entirely broken, just got offset a bit from the hit Jan 30 23:36:13 JaMa|Zzzz, didn't work, screen is terribly off now :P (after a reboot) so off it doesn't even resemble my screen Jan 30 23:37:45 probably missed Jan 30 23:38:01 JaMa|Zzzz, probably missed xinput set-int-prop "Touchscreen" "Evdev Axes Swap" 8 1 Jan 30 23:39:13 ok, it's not responding at all :| Jan 30 23:39:18 even after I calibrate Jan 30 23:48:03 xinput: not found Jan 30 23:48:05 hm.. Jan 30 23:54:15 TAsn, it looks like connecting to a bt kb requieres org.bluez.Input.Connect after pairing. That's the only think still not implemented. Before that, I have to learn how to know which capabilites has a device hehe Jan 30 23:54:23 part of the ipad's specs: Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously Jan 30 23:54:24 WOW Jan 30 23:54:32 http://pastebin.com/m3eb4734c Jan 30 23:54:39 that's an amazing feature Jan 30 23:54:57 fso pim bug, and I receives same sms 3 times now Jan 30 23:55:12 They should suggest that to the unicode organization Jan 30 23:55:23 max_posedon, it's because opimd is busy Jan 30 23:55:34 and doesn't send an ack to the modem that it received the sms Jan 30 23:55:41 busy with? Jan 30 23:55:47 the ack sending thing should be multi threaded, but it's not. Jan 30 23:56:01 max_posedon, no idea, have you opened anything lately? did anything with your phone? Jan 30 23:56:16 also, I'm sure I received multi-part-sms, and see 3 first parts Jan 30 23:56:23 no, I don't do anything Jan 30 23:58:42 JaMa|Zzzz, adding calibration data to startup just breaks everything :P Jan 30 23:59:15 max_posedon, because even if you open the messages app just before a message arrives Jan 30 23:59:35 you'll overload opimd (if you have more than let's say 30 messages) Jan 30 23:59:50 I might be done it before 2nd receive Jan 30 23:59:57 but defenetly not before 1st Jan 31 00:00:37 no idea. Jan 31 00:01:01 but this happens to me when I overload opimd Jan 31 00:01:22 we are doing our best to workaround it (will hit feeds in the following weeks) Jan 31 00:01:45 I'm bit paranoid about, is it defenetly true, that I don't lost some sms parts Jan 31 00:02:03 usually I was happy that at least sim have all it, but now... Jan 31 00:02:29 max_posedon, I don't think you can loose anything with this issue. Jan 31 00:03:22 sms length 158 Jan 31 00:03:39 latest bytes is "" Jan 31 00:04:42 also opim defenetly stored 2 copies in his db... Jan 31 00:04:46 s/2/3 Jan 31 00:06:40 http://pastebin.com/m6f4ccb6 Jan 31 00:07:01 am I correct understand, that SMS-csm_num','2' means sms splitted in 2 parts? Jan 31 00:07:08 max_posedon, opimd thinks those are different messages Jan 31 00:07:36 max_posedon, there's one that says which of the parts this is and one that says what's the total Jan 31 00:07:50 seq = which one Jan 31 00:07:57 num = total Jan 31 00:08:09 seq=1, num=2 Jan 31 00:08:16 yes. Jan 31 00:08:17 I don't see seq=2, num=2 Jan 31 00:08:30 it'll come Jan 31 00:08:32 :P Jan 31 00:08:33 just wait. Jan 31 00:08:34 only 3 swq=1 copy Jan 31 00:08:55 I afraid of they already came and was deleted Jan 31 00:09:07 max_posedon, it won't be deleted just like that Jan 31 00:09:11 just wait Jan 31 00:09:19 anyhow, I'm off. Jan 31 00:09:21 night. Jan 31 00:12:12 TAsn: night Jan 31 01:07:29 TAsn: it works fine with: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=48dd2427c14edb8349e9f16150ad0f9c037c2ab8 http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=cc7402b9b0ff50ce0067a8ae4e8fd5cdf8fafc5e Jan 31 01:17:02 JaMa|Zzzz, thanks, it's 3:19 here so I'll give it a go tomorrow :P Jan 31 01:21:46 here is 2:21.. Jan 31 01:21:57 tomorrow you can just opkg upgrade :) Jan 31 01:59:12 mickey|dinner, configure.ac:137: required file `conf/Makefile.in' not found for fsodevice from master Jan 31 02:44:46 now 3:43 and really off :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 31 02:59:57 2010