**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 31 02:59:57 2010
Jan 31 09:18:55 <TeLLuS> After shr-u upgrade .  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start   /etc/X11/Xserver: line 122: syntax error: unexpected ")" (expecting ";;")     Looks like someone removed the ;; above the GTA02 line..  How can sutch a bad error even get in there..
Jan 31 09:19:28 <JaMa|Zzzz> TeLLuS: that was probably me.. after 3AM.. sorry
Jan 31 09:24:42 <topro> hi, after this morning shr-u upgrade pointer calibration is garbage. already noticed or is it propably something with my setup?
Jan 31 09:25:32 <TeLLuS> Don't drink and code...  and tslib offset is shifted again.
Jan 31 09:25:39 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: no, I already know about that..
Jan 31 09:25:50 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: you have tslib?
Jan 31 09:25:58 <JaMa|Zzzz> TeLLuS: ^ you have tslib? 
Jan 31 09:26:16 <TeLLuS> topro: yes, it is shifted 180 dg after upgrade and recalibration..
Jan 31 09:26:21 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: did you see calibration gui?
Jan 31 09:26:22 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: the pointer calibration stuff is new to me. how to I check?
Jan 31 09:26:28 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: yes i did
Jan 31 09:26:43 <JaMa|Zzzz> and did you touch those targets carefully?
Jan 31 09:26:59 <topro> not the first time, i was too slow ;)
Jan 31 09:27:14 <topro> the I deleted /etc/pointercal.xinput and tried again
Jan 31 09:27:24 <JaMa|Zzzz> you should see Calibration* on desktop and try to run it.. 
Jan 31 09:27:52 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: lol, how to hit that button when ts is miscalibrated ;)
Jan 31 09:28:19 <TeLLuS> JaMa|Zzzz: Yes but I did not get it at first MANUAL startup..  Only after second startup.. and then it is still give mirrored action. 
Jan 31 09:28:21 <topro> but I can restart calibration by deleting /etc/pointercal.xinput. thats what I learn from reading the code
Jan 31 09:29:18 <topro> and afetr calibration it is still point-mirrored to the center of the screen
Jan 31 09:29:23 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: its xinput-calibrator if you have ssh conn
Jan 31 09:29:50 <topro> you can see that very nice when you start X which gives a mouse cursor
Jan 31 09:30:29 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: well, whatever I do in calibration screen, it's always scrambled afterwards
Jan 31 09:30:32 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: I'll push patch soon.. but you can move that xinput-calibrator section in 89x* to the end and restart xorg with pointercal.xinput removed..
Jan 31 09:30:59 <TeLLuS> JaMa|Zzzz: Running calibration a second time fixed it..  Needed a restart to read in the setting again..
Jan 31 09:31:43 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: sorry, whats 89x*, please
Jan 31 09:31:59 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
Jan 31 09:32:04 <topro> ah, ok
Jan 31 09:34:26 <JaMa|Zzzz> topro: does it work correctly for you now?
Jan 31 09:34:35 <topro> JaMa|Zzzz: yes, the patch fixed it
Jan 31 09:34:49 <JaMa> patch? that moved section right?
Jan 31 09:35:03 <topro> ight, moving section to end of file
Jan 31 09:35:06 <topro> +r
Jan 31 09:35:59 <topro> JaMa: thanks
Jan 31 09:37:03 <topro> btw. there has been a typo in /etc/X11/Xserver, case statement is missing ';;' at the end. but I think you alredy know
Jan 31 09:38:20 <JaMa> yes both fixes already pushed..
Jan 31 09:38:31 <JaMa> building on shr buildhost right now..
Jan 31 09:38:46 <topro> hmm, sorry. seems like I woke up too early today ;)
Jan 31 09:39:01 <JaMa> or too late :)
Jan 31 09:40:07 <topro> has there been work going on lately about bleutooth hand-free support from phoneui?
Jan 31 09:40:08 <TeLLuS> intone no longer working after upgrade.. Buttons no longer responding, slider react but leave pixel traces.
Jan 31 09:46:18 <JaMa> opkg upgrade..
Jan 31 09:49:44 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r677b81398bd8 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: debug--
Jan 31 09:50:02 <topro> JaMa: the only upgradable package is xserver-kdrive-common
Jan 31 09:50:19 <JaMa> topro: that's for both bugs..
Jan 31 09:50:23 <topro> kk
Jan 31 09:55:37 <topro> JaMa: upgraded, rebooted, still looks fine
Jan 31 09:58:26 <Q-Master> topro: is it bad or good? 8)
Jan 31 09:59:15 <topro> Q-Master: fine sounds more like good than bad, don't you agree?
Jan 31 09:59:43 <Q-Master> 8)
Jan 31 10:14:57 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re6df107caf2d 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/dbus_service/commands.vala: fsousaged: add missing return statement in lambdas
Jan 31 10:20:08 <max_posedon> mickey|dinner, hi! Are you around, could you fix autoreconf running in fsodeviced?
Jan 31 10:20:17 <max_posedon> configure.ac:137: required file `conf/Makefile.in' not found for fsodevice from master
Jan 31 10:23:07 <Q-Master> is it only for me that Ventura(elm-browser) shows black screen with some weird pictures in the left corner?
Jan 31 10:27:43 <mickey|dinner> max_posedon: d'oh
Jan 31 10:27:47 <mickey|dinner> let me check what i messed up there
Jan 31 10:28:29 <max_posedon> conf/ contains only subdirs, configure.ac thinks Makefile there
Jan 31 10:35:57 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r488dca9925a5 10/fsodeviced/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: kernel_input: ignore input device completely if it can't be opened
Jan 31 10:36:20 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf7f379a711d2 10/fsodeviced/conf/Makefile.am: fsodeviced: add missing Makefile.am for conf directory (thanks max_posedon)
Jan 31 10:36:26 <mickey|dinner> max_posedon: here we are
Jan 31 10:41:08 <max_posedon> thanks, btw, could you little explain how fso2 daemons can be run without frameworkd?
Jan 31 10:41:26 <max_posedon> or it still heavy required as "runner"
Jan 31 10:41:55 <mickey|dinner> no, fso2 daemons are standalone
Jan 31 10:42:01 <mickey|dinner> all but fsodeviced are dbus-activated
Jan 31 10:42:14 <mickey|dinner> so typically you don't need to start them
Jan 31 10:42:23 <mickey|dinner> fsodeviced you should start early in the boot process to get idle notifications up
Jan 31 10:42:34 <mickey|dinner> that's all :)
Jan 31 10:42:38 <max_posedon> ok, thanks
Jan 31 10:57:23 <max_posedon> mickey|dinner, one more issue http://pastebin.com/m643dc1e
Jan 31 10:57:28 <max_posedon> when INSTALL_DIR != /
Jan 31 11:01:12 <mickey|dinner> yeah, my autofoo skills are weak
Jan 31 11:01:22 <mickey|dinner> i just want to create some links in that directory
Jan 31 11:01:50 <max_posedon> ok, I'll try fix it myself
Jan 31 11:03:38 <mickey|dinner> patches appreciatee
Jan 31 11:03:38 <mickey|dinner> d
Jan 31 11:03:50 <Hakisho> what happened to intone?
Jan 31 11:07:04 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf86f170709cb 10/fsodeviced/conf/ (htc_qualcomm_msm/Makefile.am openmoko_gta/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: try harder to create links in the sysconfdir
Jan 31 11:08:51 <bumbl> is someone working on fixing those two ui glitches? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2e6ec7e65a0bc3f2b22182ca30e3410f.png
Jan 31 11:10:44 <bumbl> mickey|dinner: lately i get ~1sms per day from the number 0000 telling me "This is a binary message"
Jan 31 11:12:35 <Heinervdm> bumbl: what ui glitches?
Jan 31 11:12:59 <Heinervdm> can only see the buttons
Jan 31 11:13:34 <mickey|dinner> bumbl: interesting. can you forward the PDU to me?
Jan 31 11:14:43 <alabd> Hi everyone , midori does not open keyboard for password box , why ? 
Jan 31 11:17:18 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r407a077f1103 10/libfsobasics/ (fsobasics/utilities.vala tests/testutilities.vala): libfsobasics: utilities: add function to grep 'Hardware' from /proc/cpuinfo
Jan 31 11:19:52 <bumbl> Heinervdm: the not-alpha-but black background of the shr logo and the broken launcher
Jan 31 11:20:11 <bumbl> mickey|dinner: if you tell me how i would love to
Jan 31 11:20:43 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r382bf4b902ed 10/fsodeviced/conf/ (htc_qualcomm_msm/Makefile.am openmoko_gta/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: conf: and prepend DESTDIR
Jan 31 11:21:19 <mickey|dinner> bumbl: with log_level = DEBUG in the configuration, you should see it in the log when it arrives
Jan 31 11:22:13 <bumbl> mickey|dinner: so i can't do anything when i have already received one?
Jan 31 11:22:54 <mickey|dinner> bumbl: you can call ReceiveMessagebook() via mdbus
Jan 31 11:23:07 <bumbl> because running around with log_level = DEBUG, waiting for a random 0000 sms to arrive is subobtimal
Jan 31 11:31:27 <bumbl> mickey|dinner: would you mind providing the according call?
Jan 31 11:31:59 <mickeyl> try using mdbus on the cmdline, it's fun
Jan 31 11:32:03 <mickeyl> it's self explanoratory
Jan 31 11:32:06 <bumbl> ;)
Jan 31 11:32:09 <mickeyl> start with mdbus -s
Jan 31 11:32:12 <mickeyl> then append paramets
Jan 31 11:33:37 <bumbl> mdbus -s ReceiveMessagebook is wrong ;)
Jan 31 11:34:11 <bumbl> btw. could it be that my provider tries to send me gprs and mms configuration with those sms?
Jan 31 11:36:12 <alabd> any opinion about midori ? don't you have problem with entering password in midori 
Jan 31 11:36:47 <mickeyl> you need the full path
Jan 31 11:37:02 <mickeyl> mdbus -s <service> <object> <interface>.<method>
Jan 31 11:37:09 <mickeyl> sure, that's possible
Jan 31 11:37:37 <daniele_athome> morning...
Jan 31 11:41:28 <bumbl> mickeyl: I can't find ReceiveMessagebook in the docs, only RetrieveMessagebook which seems to be part of the SIM interface - my messages are saved via opimd though
Jan 31 11:41:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: ping
Jan 31 11:49:54 <max_posedon> opkg install sqlite3
Jan 31 11:50:03 <max_posedon> cd /etc/frameworkd/opim
Jan 31 11:50:20 <max_posedon> echo ".dump" | sqlite3 sqlite-messages.db
Jan 31 11:50:28 <max_posedon> bumbl, just do smth like this
Jan 31 11:54:07 <bumbl> mickeyl: INSERT INTO "messages" VALUES(28,'SMS',1264927201,'+0100','in','','0000','','This is a binary message',1,0,0,0);   
Jan 31 11:55:24 <max_posedon> bumbl, look at message_values
Jan 31 11:56:42 <bumbl> http://pastebin.ca/1772971
Jan 31 11:56:43 <max_posedon> echo ".dump" | sqlite3 sqlite-messages.db | grep message_values | grep 28
Jan 31 11:57:01 <bumbl> this was a | grep 28
Jan 31 11:57:30 <max_posedon> thats really funny method of storing binary sms)
Jan 31 12:07:47 <topro> something I noticed, on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/ all directories get updated by om-gta02 doesn't since Jan 29, is that something to worry about?
Jan 31 12:08:16 <daniele_athome> mmm
Jan 31 12:08:50 <Heinervdm> topro: yes, that means we have dropped support for om-gta02 and only support gta01 from now
Jan 31 12:09:04 <topro> Heinervdm: you're kidding
Jan 31 12:09:21 <Heinervdm> of course
Jan 31 12:19:17 <alabd> solved with opening mamnually but midori does not save passwords ?
Jan 31 12:23:34 <mickeyl> max_posedon: with the recent addition of $(DESTDIR) it should build now for you in all cases, please check
Jan 31 12:24:30 * mickeyl curses wasting time with autofoo
Jan 31 12:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke autofoo
Jan 31 12:25:14 * apt prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at autofoo ... B☢☢M!
Jan 31 12:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> classic case of overhead to manage the tool is much higher than the work done by the tool as a result
Jan 31 12:35:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r509f3a582d34 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/smartkeyfile.vala: (log message trimmed)
Jan 31 12:35:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: implement new search order for configuration files
Jan 31 12:35:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: For a configuration file 'foo', the following paths are now being searched:
Jan 31 12:35:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: * $PWD/.foo.conf
Jan 31 12:35:35 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: * $HOME/.foo.conf
Jan 31 12:35:36 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: * /etc/foo.conf
Jan 31 12:35:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: * /etc/freesmartphone/foo.conf
Jan 31 12:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> though, as that's a general pattern for IT, autotools are a prototypical case of a IT-tool
Jan 31 12:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> computers are the solution to the problems we never have had without computers
Jan 31 13:00:08 <JaMa> topro: nothing new in om-gta02 specific way.. that's why it wasn't updated tonight
Jan 31 13:01:01 <topro> JaMa: well, just wondered as even gta01 got an update (which normally is the one to lag behind)
Jan 31 13:07:15 <JaMa> topro: because I'm fixing stuff for gta01 right now.. 
Jan 31 13:36:39 <max_posedon> mickey|snowWalk, still not, now to many /// may be http://pastebin.ca/index.php
Jan 31 13:36:45 <max_posedon> oops, http://pastebin.ca/1773054
Jan 31 13:47:51 <pespin> JaMa, hi, I'm the disturbing man, and emtooth has a new svn version which may avoid some dbus errors (which didn't segfault in netbook but does in neo) ;)
Jan 31 13:52:40 <JaMa> pespin: bumped locally will push it with next batch..
Jan 31 14:03:38 <pespin> JaMa, ok :)
Jan 31 14:04:12 <pespin> alabd, could you try pairing when this (^) happens and report logs for pairing? ;)
Jan 31 14:05:03 <alabd> pespin: hi what happens ?
Jan 31 14:05:05 <alabd> how to see internet recieve in Bytes ?
Jan 31 14:05:17 <JaMa> alabd: http://jama.home.net/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:05:49 <pespin> alabd, nope, use this version ^ of emtooth to try pairing, and report bugs ;) (were you the one who opened ticket in trac, aren't you?
Jan 31 14:06:05 <UberNeo> for running the openmokontrol ..how do i allow the TCP/IP connections for Xserver
Jan 31 14:06:11 <alabd> yes
Jan 31 14:06:45 <pespin> JaMa, opkg install http://blablametooth-blabla.opk:
Jan 31 14:06:45 <pespin> opkg: /tmp/opkg-Rq7i07/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk: invalid magic
Jan 31 14:06:46 <pespin> Collected errors:
Jan 31 14:06:46 <pespin>  * Failed to extract control file from /tmp/opkg-Rq7i07/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:06:54 <alabd> pespin: now should work with any password ?
Jan 31 14:07:02 <pespin> alabd, yep, you can set it now :)
Jan 31 14:07:20 <alabd> pespin: how to send file via bt on shr ?
Jan 31 14:08:01 <pespin> please, run it using emtooth 2>&1 | grep -v CRI
Jan 31 14:08:18 <pespin> alabd, that is not supported in emtooth yet, you'll have to use obexpush
Jan 31 14:08:29 <alabd> pespin:  command line?
Jan 31 14:08:35 <pespin> alabd, yep
Jan 31 14:08:44 * pespin goes having launch
Jan 31 14:09:49 <alabd> JaMa:  when we use opkg install will package downloaded ?
Jan 31 14:10:29 <alabd> pespin:  JaMa 
Jan 31 14:10:31 <alabd> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://jama.home.net/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/
Jan 31 14:10:32 <alabd> emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:10:32 <alabd> Downloading http://jama.home.net/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:10:32 <alabd> opkg: /tmp/opkg-kH55EK/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk: invalid magic
Jan 31 14:10:32 <alabd> Collected errors:
Jan 31 14:10:32 <alabd>  * Failed to extract control file from /tmp/opkg-kH55EK/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:10:55 <JaMa> hmm Downloading http://jama.home.net/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:10:58 <JaMa> Configuring emtooth
Jan 31 14:11:33 <misc> here, wget http://jama.home.net/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk -> index.html 
Jan 31 14:11:57 <alabd> JaMa:  should previous version be removed before new install ?
Jan 31 14:12:46 <JaMa> ahh :) sorry s/jama.home.net/jama.homelinux.org/
Jan 31 14:14:20 <alabd> JaMa: root@om-gta02 ~ $ obexpushd
Jan 31 14:14:20 <alabd> -sh: obexpushd: not found
Jan 31 14:15:16 <JaMa> alabd: you have to install obexpush first..
Jan 31 14:15:45 <alabd> JaMa:  no result for root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list *obexpush*        
Jan 31 14:18:21 <JaMa> alabd: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/obexpush_1.0.0-r7.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 14:18:56 <JaMa> alabd: but probably you would need few libs for that..
Jan 31 14:19:37 <alabd> ok thanks 
Jan 31 14:40:11 <GNUtoo> hi, I've imported a map in navit,but then I'm stuck with the same startup screen...I see no zoom in or out
Jan 31 14:40:21 <Ar|stote|is> Hello, is there a way to remove the smart text recognition feature on shr ?
Jan 31 14:41:00 <GNUtoo> my screen look like "FreeRunner Layout 3" but without the zoom in and out
Jan 31 14:41:48 <GNUtoo> Ar|stote|is, you mean you want to use the non-terminal keyboard without text recognition...good question
Jan 31 14:44:01 <Ar|stote|is> yeah that's it. im writing in another language with the english characters and the words it is suggesting doesn't have any relation whatsoever to what i want to write
Jan 31 14:44:18 <Ar|stote|is> is there a way to just input the letters i press?
Jan 31 14:45:55 <GNUtoo> I don't know...other people may know
Jan 31 14:51:49 <GNUtoo> anyone used navit?
Jan 31 14:54:38 <Zorkman> llo all
Jan 31 14:55:20 <Zorkman> what are the main differences atm betweem shr-testing and unstable? (and is unstable as usable as it used to be months ago?)
Jan 31 14:55:32 <GNUtoo> Zorkman, hi I saw you in the navit channel too
Jan 31 14:56:01 <GNUtoo> Zorkman, btw for shr-unstable there was a test of it:
Jan 31 14:56:08 <GNUtoo> Zorkman, http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-January/003410.html
Jan 31 14:56:10 <Zorkman> hi GNUtoo; yeah, I used navit quite a lot in the past
Jan 31 14:56:43 <GNUtoo> Zorkman, I am stuck with the initial screen, I don't know which OSD I use,altough it seem quite similar to " FreeRunner Layout 3"
Jan 31 14:56:51 <GNUtoo> I've imported milan's map
Jan 31 14:57:00 <GNUtoo> I've also added my rough location
Jan 31 14:57:16 <GNUtoo> nothing to do...still stuck on this initial screen with a blank map
Jan 31 14:57:22 <GNUtoo> I've no zoom btw
Jan 31 14:57:32 <Zorkman> hmmm
Jan 31 14:57:40 <Zorkman> must admit it's been months since i've used it
Jan 31 14:57:53 <Zorkman> I made a custom xml once and always used that one..
Jan 31 14:57:55 <GNUtoo> trying to select milan from the town selector gave me the same screen
Jan 31 14:58:01 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 31 14:58:13 <Zorkman> (big map of europe, worked withouth probs)
Jan 31 14:58:14 <GNUtoo> maybe I should ask in #navit but no-one responded me
Jan 31 14:58:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 31 14:58:46 <GNUtoo> how do I unzoom?
Jan 31 14:59:15 <Zorkman> one thing that happened though was that the zoom buttons didn't display if they were first in the xml (like some problem with transparency.. but even if you didn't see them, they worked)
Jan 31 14:59:30 <Zorkman> depens on where your zoom-buttons are located :)
Jan 31 14:59:37 <GNUtoo> I don't see any
Jan 31 14:59:46 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 31 14:59:55 <GNUtoo> there is no trasparency
Jan 31 14:59:57 <Zorkman> i think standard was left-above corner of the screen (i changed it to left-below)
Jan 31 15:00:49 <Zorkman> on #navit minique is quite good at skinning and gui
Jan 31 15:00:49 <GNUtoo> strangely it display the us flag when I look for milano
Jan 31 15:01:03 <GNUtoo> but my locales are us utf8
Jan 31 15:01:10 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 31 15:01:13 <Zorkman> you have to click the map symbol, and then select your country first
Jan 31 15:01:36 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 31 15:03:54 <GNUtoo> I've set milano as position and still blank screen
Jan 31 15:04:01 <GNUtoo> maybe the zoom is too heavy
Jan 31 15:04:06 <GNUtoo> what's the best zoom?
Jan 31 15:05:29 <GNUtoo> it works now
Jan 31 15:05:34 <GNUtoo> I had to set view on map
Jan 31 15:05:37 <GNUtoo> Zorkman, thanks a lot
Jan 31 15:06:22 <Zorkman> np :)
Jan 31 15:07:22 <GNUtoo> Last thing...how Do I add a non-trasparent zoom?
Jan 31 15:08:53 <GNUtoo> I also bet that I have to put the network path to fso-gpsd but I can manage doing that
Jan 31 15:11:00 <alexxy> TAsn: mrmoku: intone is broken =)
Jan 31 15:34:21 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc7e1e3b0b522 10/fsodeviced/conf/ (htc_qualcomm_msm/Makefile.am openmoko_gta/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: autohell, next try
Jan 31 15:52:30 <max_posedon> mickeyl, hi!, symlinks are nice now
Jan 31 15:52:55 <max_posedon> but sorry, conf files itself is in wrong placew
Jan 31 15:54:10 <mickeyl> yep
Jan 31 15:54:13 <mickeyl> still broken
Jan 31 15:54:17 <pieterc> hi Mickey
Jan 31 15:54:20 <mickeyl> still doing try and error
Jan 31 15:54:26 <mickeyl> yo pieterc 
Jan 31 15:54:42 <pieterc> mickeyl: thanks for the fosdem heads up :)
Jan 31 15:54:47 <mickeyl> :)
Jan 31 15:55:18 <pieterc> 9am is quite ealry but i'll try to make it ;)
Jan 31 15:56:27 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 31 15:56:28 <mickeyl> indeed
Jan 31 15:59:24 <pieterc> I'm impressed by today's SHR-U build, nice!
Jan 31 16:05:05 <spaetz> Zorkman, shr-t is shr-u from mid-december and it is upgraded less often and only to tested versions...
Jan 31 16:07:06 <pieterc> Zorkman: Are you going to fosdem?
Jan 31 16:07:23 <alabd> How to see data recieve from internet in Bytes ?
Jan 31 16:09:39 <pieterc> [Rui]: what's the latest version of elmdentica? SHR-U repos got 0.7.0 - good enough?
Jan 31 16:10:28 <max_posedon> alabd, ifconfig
Jan 31 16:10:35 <max_posedon> RX/TX
Jan 31 16:10:42 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r90c640317288 10/fsodeviced/conf/ (htc_qualcomm_msm/Makefile.am openmoko_gta/Makefile.am): fsodeviced: ok, this seems to be the right incarnation
Jan 31 16:10:45 <max_posedon> (for current session of course)
Jan 31 16:11:58 <alabd> max_posedon: humble want to know opening one page how much bytes recieves ?
Jan 31 16:12:34 <max_posedon> depend on tool with which you open one page
Jan 31 16:18:16 <alabd> max_posedon: how to know , how much bytes will be recieved when humble open a page e.g google.com
Jan 31 16:18:45 <max_posedon> ifconfig, write RX, TX values to paper
Jan 31 16:18:47 <max_posedon> open page
Jan 31 16:19:04 <max_posedon> ifconfig, write RX/TX values to paper, 
Jan 31 16:19:13 <max_posedon> do simple colculations - the end
Jan 31 16:24:58 <thrashold> Are there elementary docs yet?
Jan 31 16:25:11 <thrashold> I want to know what a style is and what styles there are
Jan 31 16:26:09 <max_posedon> mickeyl, thanks, I confirm that I'm happy now)
Jan 31 16:26:18 <max_posedon> (e.g. now all correct for me)
Jan 31 16:27:14 <mickeyl> excellent
Jan 31 16:27:38 <mickeyl> walking beyond the standard autofoo stuff is always a ride for me
Jan 31 16:32:42 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2a49096c9408 10/fsousaged/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fsousaged: ship machine-specific default configurations
Jan 31 16:32:55 <thrashold> Are there any examples on how to use styles in E?
Jan 31 16:35:16 <TAsn> mrmoku|away, pong
Jan 31 16:36:59 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8bbeab089d99 10/fsodatad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsodatad: install default configuration
Jan 31 16:39:01 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc239e42f7c22 10/fsonetworkd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsonetworkd: install default configuration
Jan 31 16:41:28 <max_posedon> mickeyl, btw, any news about releases in nearest time?
Jan 31 16:41:34 <Ar|stote|is> Is there a way to disable text recognition on shr in the non terminal keyboard?
Jan 31 16:41:43 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r287f9a766a41 10/fsotdld/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsotdld: install default configuration
Jan 31 16:42:46 <thrashold> What is 'outdent_top' (found in ffalarms, shr settings, etc.) and where I can get other values for this thing?
Jan 31 16:47:32 <pieterc> in latest SHR-U elmdentica & intone seem to be f-ed up
Jan 31 16:47:42 <pieterc> anyone knows why?
Jan 31 16:48:47 <mickeyl> max_posedon: yep, now that we ship default configurations, there's a new set of releases due next week
Jan 31 16:52:29 <max_posedon> nice
Jan 31 16:57:19 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r86a91d2af495 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 4 dirs): fsogsmd: ship some default configurations
Jan 31 17:00:38 <pieterc> Ok really... whenever I try to launch elmdentica or intone it gives me some bleck elementary elements which I can't use...
Jan 31 17:00:43 <pieterc> Is this a theme issue?
Jan 31 17:04:21 <TAsn> JaMa|Gym, wow, we bump efl every day in the last couple of days :P
Jan 31 17:08:38 <JaMa|Gym> pieterc: do you have intone_0.66+svnr75-r3.4_armv4t.ipk or older?
Jan 31 17:10:38 <JaMa> TAsn: last bump I wasn't author just commiter :)
Jan 31 17:10:54 <TAsn> ffs
Jan 31 17:10:55 <TAsn> remove illume-keyboard-deafult-numeric illume-keyboard-de
Jan 31 17:10:55 <TAsn> fault 
Jan 31 17:11:00 <TAsn> get installed all the time!
Jan 31 17:11:02 <TAsn> :(
Jan 31 17:12:59 <JaMa> TAsn: it's in RRECOMMENDS which are installed by default, unless you ask opkg otherwise..
Jan 31 17:14:55 <TAsn> are you sure it's in rrecommends?
Jan 31 17:15:13 <TAsn> and does it really install after I explicitly remove it?
Jan 31 17:15:42 <TAsn> that's what you get when you mix girls with technology: http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/250/img3070q.jpg :(
Jan 31 17:16:08 <JaMa> TAsn: just checked that recipe.. IT'S in rrecommends
Jan 31 17:16:17 <TAsn> i c.
Jan 31 17:16:48 <TAsn> well annoying old moko :P maybe we should change the config (is it set there?)
Jan 31 17:16:50 <TAsn> as it's really annoying
Jan 31 17:42:15 <alabd> hello , how to disable opening list of addresses when we write an address in midori 
Jan 31 17:46:49 <pespin> same black screen here too for elmdentica and intone 
Jan 31 17:51:01 <pespin> elmdentica_0.7.0+svnr171-r1.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 17:51:14 <pespin> intone_0.66+svnr75-r2.4_armv4t.ipk
Jan 31 17:54:07 <pespin> I've opkg updated and upgraded and intone is solved. elmdentica is still black ;)
Jan 31 18:03:03 <alabd> JaMa:  do you have lower version of http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/obexpush_1.0.0-r7.4_armv4t.ipk cause those lib versions are not in shr-t rep
Jan 31 18:10:01 <alabd> can humble use this on fr to install midori ?git clone git://git.xfce.org/apps/midori
Jan 31 18:29:46 <TAsn> JaMa, doesn't work :| (the calibration tool)
Jan 31 18:30:04 <TAsn> it does calibrate, but doesn't keep calibration after a reboot :|
Jan 31 18:30:07 <TAsn> (or so it seems)
Jan 31 18:31:50 <TAsn> or maye it does :|
Jan 31 18:32:00 <TAsn> I don't know anymore, it's so confusing, and my screen is so broken :P
Jan 31 18:32:05 <TAsn> even after calibration
Jan 31 18:32:25 <[Rui]> hi
Jan 31 18:32:31 <[Rui]> bad headache, bad...
Jan 31 18:43:21 <[Rui]> how's shr-u stability today?
Jan 31 18:43:29 <TAsn> just upgraded
Jan 31 18:43:36 <TAsn> pwns
Jan 31 18:43:41 <misc> seems fine for me 
Jan 31 18:50:27 <PaulFertser> wpwrak_: hi :)
Jan 31 18:50:57 <PaulFertser> wpwrak_: i tried to use wpa2/aes today but wpa_supplicant told me it can't get BSSID from the driver.
Jan 31 18:56:03 <mrmoku> TAsn: not important anymore... right now :P
Jan 31 18:56:24 <[Rui]> pespin: elmdentica 0.7.0 is oooooold
Jan 31 18:56:26 <TAsn> wha's your progress with contact app? :P
Jan 31 18:56:40 <[Rui]> I must see if my build environment builds again
Jan 31 18:56:54 <[Rui]> last 4 times I tried some stupid package or another wouldn't build :(
Jan 31 18:58:14 <mrmoku> TAsn: getting forwards :)
Jan 31 18:58:20 <TAsn> mrmoku, :P
Jan 31 19:26:04 <max_posedon> mickeyl, with fso2, what companent exacly responsible for playing sound(voice during calls/etc)
Jan 31 19:26:05 <max_posedon> ?
Jan 31 19:28:20 <mickeyl> fsodeviced, as fso1
Jan 31 19:28:30 <mickeyl> at least contains the service
Jan 31 19:28:50 <mickeyl> the actual triggering is either done in the apps or in the-thing-that-will-replace-oeventsd
Jan 31 19:33:51 <max_posedon> ok, thanks
Jan 31 19:35:59 <[Rui]> module-init-tools_cross still buggers me off :(
Jan 31 19:37:31 <mrmoku> [Rui]: what distro?
Jan 31 19:37:41 <[Rui]> mrmoku: shr-u building
Jan 31 19:37:49 <mrmoku> [Rui]: no, the buildhost?
Jan 31 19:37:53 <[Rui]> just trying to clean it than rebuild
Jan 31 19:37:58 <[Rui]> mrmoku: ah, fedora
Jan 31 19:38:00 <mrmoku> hehe
Jan 31 19:38:04 <mrmoku> yum install glibc-static :)
Jan 31 19:38:12 * mrmoku had the same thing
Jan 31 19:38:42 <mrmoku> brb
Jan 31 19:38:52 <[Rui]> mrmoku: I could almost kiss you ;)
Jan 31 19:40:15 <soltys> mrmoku: I can test gta01 image tomorrow, I left gta01 at frends house ;/
Jan 31 19:45:24 <soltys> #^#$%$#$ what recepie provide gst-plugin-mad ?
Jan 31 19:49:18 <mrmoku> [Rui]: that thing blocked my local image building for some week too... until the solution appeared on oe-devel :)
Jan 31 19:54:20 <pespin> [Rui], if elmdentica 0.7 is old is not my fault, I've just installed from unstable feeds :P
Jan 31 19:54:42 <[Rui]> pespin: sure, code.google.com/p/elmdentica has ipks :)
Jan 31 19:55:16 <pespin> [Rui], why aren't they in shr feeds?
Jan 31 19:55:30 <[Rui]> pespin: recipe hasn't been updated :)
Jan 31 19:56:44 <pespin> mrmoku, could be possible for us in some way to update our bump svn revs without having to disturb you? ;)
Jan 31 19:58:26 <mrmoku> pespin: hmm... one needs commit rights for OE to do that...
Jan 31 19:58:46 <mrmoku> that is JaMa, spaetz, Ainulindale and me IIRC
Jan 31 19:59:12 <spaetz> yep, that´s alll, i think
Jan 31 19:59:16 <pespin> yeah, but I feel guilty for bugging JaMa all the day to update xD
Jan 31 19:59:42 <[Rui]> good elmdentica is current trunk, aka http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/source/browse/?r=215
Jan 31 19:59:58 <mrmoku> pespin: the easiest way for us would be patches against org.openemebedded.dev to shr-devel list
Jan 31 20:00:16 <mrmoku> (and maybe a small ping to apply them :P)
Jan 31 20:02:49 <pespin> mrmoku, which would be the best way to do that? 1) modifying stuff 2) git diff > some-file   3)git-send-mail
Jan 31 20:03:01 <pespin> I haven't used git a lot hehe
Jan 31 20:03:04 <[Rui]> a patch just to change a number?
Jan 31 20:03:34 <mrmoku> well... if it is just updating the rev... then a small ping is sufficient :)
Jan 31 20:04:05 <mrmoku> pespin: modifying stuff, commit and then git send-mail
Jan 31 20:04:52 * [Rui] gently pings the great mrmoku towards a cwr215ESC
Jan 31 20:04:56 <pespin> mrmoku, do I have to set something special when using send-mail? or only shr-dev mailing-list adress?
Jan 31 20:05:30 <mrmoku> [Rui]: elmdentica? ok, will bump rev to 215 :)
Jan 31 20:05:36 <pespin> [Rui], what are *.ipk.asc files in elmdentica download dir?
Jan 31 20:05:39 * [Rui] smiles... thanks
Jan 31 20:05:44 <[Rui]> pespin: digital signatures
Jan 31 20:05:58 <pespin> like md5 files?
Jan 31 20:06:16 <[Rui]> yes, but better. if you import my pgp key into your keyring, you can verify that they're the images I published
Jan 31 20:06:32 <pespin> oh, ok :)
Jan 31 20:07:21 <thrashold> What do you guys use for playing sound in Python? pyalsa?
Jan 31 20:10:22 <mrmoku> thrashold: (elementary docs) http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/elementary
Jan 31 20:11:22 <thrashold> mrmoku: This don't mention the styles, but I found them int he source
Jan 31 20:11:30 <thrashold> mrmoku: thanks
Jan 31 20:11:41 <mrmoku> yeah, far from complete... source is the ultimate guide :/
Jan 31 20:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> anybody aircrack err airodump crack around?
Jan 31 20:17:19 <pespin> DocScrutinizer, used it some time, but not an expert ;)
Jan 31 20:18:11 <wpwrak_> PaulFertser: hmm, you see me clueless. i don't even know if this is something it would always ask for or only with some settings. i would suspect the former (?)
Jan 31 20:18:13 <[Rui]> thrashold: and better than that page for future reference, consulting the .h files
Jan 31 20:18:25 <[Rui]> also the trac's rss feed and asking around :)
Jan 31 20:18:48 <PaulFertser> wpwrak_: well, let me put it the other way: do you know if wpa2/aes worked with ar6001 for anybody? ;)
Jan 31 20:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> strange thing is it doesn't find the most strong AP that happen to be known by the chipset from former associations
Jan 31 20:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> other alien AP are found though
Jan 31 20:20:22 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: you need to set channel when starting airodump-ng
Jan 31 20:20:28 <pespin> DocScrutinizer, maybe the channel is fixed to another value which isn't the same as the one not being seen?
Jan 31 20:21:31 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly, though I seen strange thing of a lot chan6 AP showing up on 'airodump -c1'
Jan 31 20:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: 'airodump wlan0' just starts chan hopping scan
Jan 31 20:22:43 <PaulFertser> Yes, so that's not efficient
Jan 31 20:23:05 <pespin> it's better to iwlist scan for chan and then set--cjhannel to value found
Jan 31 20:23:13 <pespin> *--channel
Jan 31 20:23:23 <wpwrak_> PaulFertser: no idea :) i tried wpa but i don't remember in which configuration. probably not wpa2/aes
Jan 31 20:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless I use it for simple scanner purpose, and it doesn't fine above mentioned APs even in 30min
Jan 31 20:23:43 <PaulFertser> wpwrak_: ok, thanks :)
Jan 31 20:24:13 <wpwrak_> PaulFertser: yeah, sorry. 0 bits of information. shannon would be so proud :)
Jan 31 20:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> fine/find/
Jan 31 20:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> shannon - lol
Jan 31 20:25:12 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: what driver are you using?
Jan 31 20:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> iw1211x or somesuch
Jan 31 20:25:57 <PaulFertser> Hm, have never used it. Who knows, probably some oddity in implementation.
Jan 31 20:26:17 <JaMa> pespin: if you promise not to commit any breakage we can add emtooth to shr-autorev (newest revision with every rebuild)
Jan 31 20:26:31 <DocScrutinizer> wl12xx
Jan 31 20:26:38 <JaMa> pespin: then ping for build is enough, no need to commit sth
Jan 31 20:27:42 <pespin> JaMa, I usually try it before commiting, if that is fine for you :P
Jan 31 20:27:44 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: (N900)
Jan 31 20:27:56 <JaMa> pespin: only problem with autorev packages is that they can break anytime and stop image build but emtooth is only in feeds and it's not "must have" package.. so I guess we can use autorev for a while.. until you got it to some better (slow development) shape..
Jan 31 20:28:34 <pespin> JaMa, I agree ;)
Jan 31 20:28:39 <JaMa> mrmoku: that elmdentica commit wasnt PR :), but I guess I know how you got that commit message.. :)
Jan 31 20:28:45 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i've used airodump many times but never seen oddities like that, using madwifi and now ath5k here.
Jan 31 20:29:05 <[Rui]> is c_c's new browser in the feeds already?
Jan 31 20:29:23 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: really odd. Never seen that before as well
Jan 31 20:30:07 <JaMa> [Rui]: yes.. ventura
Jan 31 20:30:27 <[Rui]> gotta add support for calling it to elmdentica...
Jan 31 20:31:02 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i've heard there's mad snow again in DE. And here it's now some lovely warm weather, not colder than -10C. :-O
Jan 31 20:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, annoying weather
Jan 31 20:34:00 <DocScrutinizer51> hooooh freaky. the xchat notifications are some 2 minutes late on the N900
Jan 31 20:34:35 <DocScrutinizer51> or someone manages to send invisible triggers to me :-P
Jan 31 20:34:53 <DocScrutinizer> DocScrutinizer51: nerd!
Jan 31 20:35:54 <[Rui]>  * Cannot find package ventura.
Jan 31 20:35:54 <[Rui]> ?
Jan 31 20:38:52 <pespin> [Rui], I've just installed it, so it has to be there :P
Jan 31 20:39:07 <pespin> shr-u feeds
Jan 31 20:39:17 <[Rui]> yes it's what I'm running
Jan 31 20:39:32 <[Rui]> there's some conflict with libwebkit and libewebkit as well
Jan 31 20:39:44 <mrmoku> JaMa: heh ouch
Jan 31 20:40:24 <JaMa> [Rui]: -force-overwrite (known) http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/604/
Jan 31 20:43:47 <[Rui]> I really hope c_c is going for the minimal but useful interface, quick and fast :)
Jan 31 20:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: please ping me
Jan 31 20:46:04 <DocScrutinizer> nah, nm
Jan 31 20:46:07 <DocScrutinizer> disconnected
Jan 31 20:46:30 <TeLLuS> Bra.. intone working again, happy now..
Jan 31 20:52:29 <[Rui]> crossing fingers for the opkg upgrade (ventura crashed, hope it's a bad dependency)
Jan 31 20:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> braintone? doesn't sound right :-P
Jan 31 20:57:48 <pespin> yay, evopedia+ventura rocks :D
Jan 31 20:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: see - I was registered to my pub's wlan. Then I disabled wlan of N900, 'aircrack start wlan0' enabled monitor, and started airodump. result: lots of clients and a number of AP shown, but not the AP of pub.   ^C airodump, Move to own flat, start airodump again. Result: lots of AP shown and some clients, but not my own AP
Jan 31 20:59:11 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: what a strange error should *that* be?
Jan 31 21:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> s/crack/mon/
Jan 31 21:02:20 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: extra strange, i've no ideas :|
Jan 31 21:03:46 <max_posedon> DocScrutinizer, what about retry few times?
Jan 31 21:04:00 <max_posedon> multipe AP's on same channel sometimes problem
Jan 31 21:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> on pub retried several times. with -c1 to scan the chan of the pub's AP only. No success
Jan 31 21:05:36 <DocScrutinizer> Though even more strange was a number of AP shown up with chan#6 during the -c1 scans as well
Jan 31 21:05:56 <DocScrutinizer> maybe multicannel AP (11N ?)
Jan 31 21:06:44 <PaulFertser> HT40- :)
Jan 31 21:06:57 <PaulFertser> But unlikely :)
Jan 31 21:08:03 * pespin adding a ticket in trac for evopedia feed inclusion
Jan 31 21:22:11 <tomcatek> hi all
Jan 31 21:22:42 <[Rui]> hms... upgrade stuck downloading alsa-scenarii for quite some time now...
Jan 31 21:24:28 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: HT40?
Jan 31 21:24:51 <tomcatek> I
Jan 31 21:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not that familiar with that 802.11 foo
Jan 31 21:26:03 <tomcatek> I've tried to upload uImage to my neo (latest from SHR) and I'm getting error, that it exceeds partition lenght :/
Jan 31 21:26:56 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: yes, that's one of 802.11n words. Meaning 40MHz channel with main channel above (-) or below (+) the additional.
Jan 31 21:27:00 <PaulFertser> iirc
Jan 31 21:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> hmm 11N(pre) wlan-routers are quite common here now
Jan 31 21:28:57 <PaulFertser> I'm considering buying one. Not sure it's of any use, especially given 5GHz is prohibited altogether here :|
Jan 31 21:33:37 <Weiss> JaMa: prior to the new calibration program, was everyone still using the calibration from my page? :o
Jan 31 21:35:19 <JaMa> Weiss: hehe, yes and still is..
Jan 31 21:35:49 <JaMa> Weiss: seems like calibration with xinput works a bit better when kernel calibration is run first to roughly calibrate it
Jan 31 21:36:21 <max_posedon> btw, when that nice piano at bottom will become usefull
Jan 31 21:36:59 <JaMa> Weiss: and also it's safer as xinput calibration data are based on precalibrated state (what was stored with kernel calibrations isn't usefull after reboot when used before kernel calibration as only calibration used
Jan 31 21:42:48 <[Rui]> hms... upgrade failure (phone froze). now booting has that callibration thing and after it some "unknown boot option" messages but it's stuck at it :(
Jan 31 21:44:36 <max_posedon> [Rui], 5min ago, upgrade success
Jan 31 21:44:57 <PaulFertser> 11n routers common. I've no idea how to search what popular OpenWRT supported routers are there on the market.
Jan 31 21:46:05 <Azog> you can buy a alix instead
Jan 31 21:47:04 <pespin> I'm gettitng WSOD with last upgrades
Jan 31 21:47:28 <pespin> does someone want to tell me how to debug it if you need it?
Jan 31 21:47:53 <[Rui]> what devices are s3c2442 and s3c6410 prepared for?
Jan 31 21:49:26 <Weiss> pespin: hmm.. which kernel version?
Jan 31 21:49:43 <pespin> Weiss, $ uname -a
Jan 31 21:49:44 <pespin> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jan 9 21:09:08 CET 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux
Jan 31 21:50:19 <pespin> last one from shr-unstable images dir
Jan 31 21:50:27 <Weiss> interesting.. nothing's changed with 2.6.29 or with xf86-video-glamo recently..
Jan 31 21:50:31 <Weiss> (afaik?)
Jan 31 21:51:22 <pespin> Weiss, where can I get info on WSOD? Xorg.log?
Jan 31 21:51:52 <[Rui]> Weiss: depending on the definition of recently. I had to disable my omnewrotate because suddenly I started getting black screens of death very frequently
Jan 31 21:52:08 <pespin> I can see some errors in Xorg.log
Jan 31 21:53:22 <pespin> http://pastebin.ca/1773574
Jan 31 21:54:22 <[Rui]> image from jan29 doesn't boot???
Jan 31 21:54:24 <JaMa> [Rui]: check busybox links..
Jan 31 21:55:09 <[Rui]> oh, it just took so damn long with tux showing on... X now up...
Jan 31 21:55:59 <max_posedon> [Rui], when I tested ubifs with full debug, it taked 3 hours)
Jan 31 21:57:21 <JaMa> leviathan: use checksums in recipe or at least contrib/*/checksum-sorter.py
Jan 31 21:57:43 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Jan 31 21:59:14 <pespin> I think I'm having E WSOD since efl updates from today
Jan 31 22:14:34 <[Rui]> I guess the themes are borked?
Jan 31 22:14:44 <[Rui]> or the default one, at least...
Jan 31 22:15:05 <leviathan> ok
Jan 31 22:15:10 <leviathan> I'll go sleep now
Jan 31 22:15:11 <leviathan> gn8
Jan 31 22:21:57 <pespin> wow, I think is ventura the one crashing E...
Jan 31 22:22:49 <[Rui]> oh... c_c's browser rocks!
Jan 31 22:31:17 <[Rui]> still a bit unstable, but seems to get the screen area just right, and the transparent butons just rock
Jan 31 22:31:24 <pespin> [Rui], I've installed last package from googlecode repo and I still get a black screen --> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/807d7f80a38c928720b213f8fb56f0a9.png
Jan 31 22:31:38 <[Rui]> pespin: yes, I now see what you mean.
Jan 31 22:31:48 <[Rui]> pespin: perhaps it needs a new package built against the new efl
Jan 31 22:31:49 <pespin> [Rui], Running it from terminal shows this ->
Jan 31 22:31:49 <pespin> $ elmdentica 
Jan 31 22:31:50 <pespin> CRI:eina_stringshare eina_stringshare.c:666 _eina_stringshare_small_del() EEEK trying to del non-shared stringshare "�"
Jan 31 22:32:01 <pespin> [Rui], yep, I suppouse that's the problem
Jan 31 22:32:09 <[Rui]> because I installed the same package I had before of r215 and it was really bad...
Jan 31 22:32:36 <[Rui]> but right now my build system is still at shr-lite-image :)
Jan 31 22:32:53 <pespin> ok :)
Jan 31 22:37:01 <[Rui]> gotta go. good night!
Jan 31 22:53:44 <Weiss> pespin: yor Xorg.log looks OK.. anything in dmesg? also, is the WSODon suspend, resume, or randomly? also, is it a "hard" WSOD (no responsiveness whatsoever, even if you hold Power for 10 seconds to power off), or can you still (say) SSH in?
Jan 31 22:55:39 <pespin> Weiss, is a E WSOD
Jan 31 22:55:50 <pespin> it was caused somehow when I had ventura oepned
Jan 31 22:56:06 <pespin> killing it from ssh allowed me to recover
Jan 31 22:56:13 <Weiss> oh.. just an "E crashed" window you mean?
Jan 31 22:56:28 <pespin> without killing ventura, the dialog appeared after recovering
Jan 31 22:56:35 <pespin> Weiss, yes, sorry if I confused you :S
Jan 31 22:57:14 <Weiss> ah, ok
Jan 31 23:13:14 <pbaxter> hello all what is blipomoko in shr repo?
Jan 31 23:23:13 <max_posedon> mrmoku|away, PaulFertser (kernel-related question)
Jan 31 23:23:31 <max_posedon> can we enable CONFIG_NFS_V4 in defconfig/shr?
Jan 31 23:23:58 <max_posedon> nfs is compiled as module anyway, so no kernel size diff
Jan 31 23:24:04 <max_posedon> shr installs nfs4 clients
Jan 31 23:24:25 <max_posedon> so, it will be usefull have nfs4-compatible nfs kernel module
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