**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 01 02:59:56 2010
Feb 01 06:15:43 <satish> mickey|tv : Hi
Feb 01 06:16:22 <satish> Any update on mdbus2 method invoke implementation ?
Feb 01 06:30:47 <mrmoku> max_posedon: (nfs4) fine from my side
Feb 01 06:39:38 <blindcoder> morning
Feb 01 06:39:54 <blindcoder> anyone here played spacetrader on the palm all those ages ago?
Feb 01 06:41:41 <satish> Hey, Any one tried mdbus2 utility ?
Feb 01 06:42:51 <CIA-47> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * rdf02e9bd12a3 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui-utils.h): phoneui-utils: fill phoneui_utils_contacts_fields_get with life
Feb 01 07:01:04 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i think so, yes.
Feb 01 07:23:06 <satish> Is it possible to set RTC Wakeup clock on freerunner phone using C programming APIs  ?
Feb 01 07:24:17 <PaulFertser> satish: of course
Feb 01 07:52:43 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r806f95b59ff3 10/libmsmcomm/src/ (7 files): libmsmcomm: add various message/response/event types
Feb 01 07:55:44 <dcordes> hi
Feb 01 08:14:22 <satish> PaulFertser : Hi
Feb 01 08:17:04 <satish> PaulFertser : May i know what are the APIs used to control phone power modes ?
Feb 01 08:22:26 <satish> May i know what are the C programming APIs used to control phone power modes ?
Feb 01 08:22:43 <satish> on freerunner phone with SHR distribution
Feb 01 08:42:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r971293c5bdf6 10/msmcommd/src/ (llc.c msmcommd.c relay.c select.c timer.c): msmcommd: reduce msmcommd cpu usage
Feb 01 08:43:46 <dcordes> what is msmcomm ?
Feb 01 08:55:47 <mrmoku> dcordes: palm pre modem
Feb 01 09:46:46 <JaMa> spaetz: with last frameworkd-config-shr it looks almost like frameworkd.conf going backwards :/ why wasn't om-gta02 updated in http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=commit;h=f79868cde2fef9809dfb3838d65141ea3099e598 ?
Feb 01 10:12:07 <PaulFertser> sarges: what are power modes? Have you read FSO_Resources wikipage?
Feb 01 10:12:17 <PaulFertser> Sorry, meant for satishz
Feb 01 10:59:50 <DocScrutinizer2> moaning
Feb 01 11:44:19 <JaMa> taks-shr-feed finally build successfully :) if someone needs emacs,tasks,exhibit,mpg123 fix it first in OE
Feb 01 11:44:35 <soltys> :)
Feb 01 11:44:45 <soltys> JaMa: nice ;)
Feb 01 11:44:57 <JaMa> and there is new EFL bump.. only few revs.. changelog seems safe.. so it's building now..
Feb 01 11:45:25 <soltys> I wonder if my build will finish without errors ;)
Feb 01 11:47:01 <JaMa> soltys: it should.. I did rebuild from scratch now about 2 weeks ago
Feb 01 11:47:47 <soltys> JaMa: will see I had some problems with make image ;)
Feb 01 11:47:57 <soltys> now feed is building
Feb 01 11:48:10 <soltys> maybe it will build ;)
Feb 01 11:49:21 <JaMa> soltys: and I've fixed all errors I found on my host or shr buildhost
Feb 01 11:49:33 <JaMa> soltys: so if it fails on yours you have to do the same :)
Feb 01 11:49:54 <soltys> ;)
Feb 01 11:50:02 <soltys> let it build
Feb 01 11:50:24 <soltys> and will see
Feb 01 11:53:23 * pespin opkg upgrading :)
Feb 01 11:54:58 <pespin> I have to say actual shr-u is the best shr image I've never had :D thanks for all hard work people!
Feb 01 13:24:02 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: should i take current sd card image with me?
Feb 01 13:24:24 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: something like that, I think
Feb 01 13:25:21 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: or maybe something newer...
Feb 01 13:25:32 * mrmoku is very close to push something highly experimental ;)
Feb 01 13:25:35 <JaMa> newer is building rignht now
Feb 01 13:25:44 <Heinervdm> i meant the latest image we will have on saturday :)
Feb 01 13:25:51 <mrmoku> ahh, yeah :)
Feb 01 13:26:08 <mrmoku> hopefully the contacts rewrite will be finished today
Feb 01 13:26:34 <Heinervdm> i'm using uboot, but using the same structure on the sd card will work with qi too?
Feb 01 13:26:36 <JaMa> NOTE: Running task 6448 of 14238 
Feb 01 13:26:39 <mrmoku> at least in so far that it can replace the old one
Feb 01 13:26:54 <mrmoku> brb... have to search some lego part ;)
Feb 01 13:27:30 <Heinervdm> :)
Feb 01 13:28:03 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: you can order it from lego for free.. :)
Feb 01 13:28:35 <JaMa> and battery indicator in illume2 works now :)
Feb 01 13:29:02 <JaMa> or maybe default changed from empty to full :)
Feb 01 13:32:21 <pespin> is illume2 used by default now?
Feb 01 13:36:55 <JaMa> pespin: no
Feb 01 13:37:19 <JaMa> pespin: only installed by default
Feb 01 13:37:45 <pespin> JaMa, how usable is it from your experience?
Feb 01 13:40:24 * mrmoku found three... two still missing :P
Feb 01 13:40:33 <morphis> heyho
Feb 01 13:41:17 <mrmoku> morphis: hey, how's RE life? :P
Feb 01 13:41:56 <JaMa> pespin: buttons too small, app switch/close not visible with keyboard
Feb 01 13:43:38 <morphis> mrmoku: great
Feb 01 13:43:51 <morphis> today I got verified my pin against the SIM card :)
Feb 01 13:44:22 <morphis> and only some steps are missing until we have an outgoing phone call running
Feb 01 13:49:42 <JaMa> pre?
Feb 01 13:49:45 <PaulFertser> morphis: that's, like, amazing news!
Feb 01 13:50:34 <morphis> PaulFertser: jepp :)
Feb 01 13:50:48 <Weiss> morphis: what are you REing? :o
Feb 01 13:50:58 <morphis> Weiss: Palm Pre Modem Protocol
Feb 01 13:51:04 <Weiss> ah, cool :D
Feb 01 13:51:16 * Weiss 's GTA07+ just arrived :o
Feb 01 13:51:21 <morphis> :)
Feb 01 13:51:32 <Weiss> GTA02 A7+ even
Feb 01 13:51:36 <Weiss> GTA07+ would be nice
Feb 01 13:51:39 <morphis> PaulFertser: it's only the question how stable everything is in the end
Feb 01 13:51:51 <JaMa> hehe Warning: You are trying to link statically one or more modules to Eina. You must know what you are doing, or else you will have a lot of problems. And dolphins will disappear from the earth.
Feb 01 13:54:38 <mrmoku> morphis: cool :D
Feb 01 13:55:36 <morphis> mrmoku: when call stuff is running I will concentrate even on getting SHR on the PRE
Feb 01 13:56:44 <JaMa> we should bump cornucopia to get SHR back on gta01 :)
Feb 01 13:58:32 <soltys> JaMa: nice msg :)
Feb 01 14:01:47 <mickey|office> ping me if you want to update to cornucopia HEAD
Feb 01 14:01:53 <mickey|office> we can simplify the bb recipes then
Feb 01 14:02:01 <mickey|office> and use the default configs shipped by fso2
Feb 01 14:02:14 <mickey|office> at least unless you're ok with the default settings
Feb 01 14:12:10 <JaMa> mickey|office: that's exacly why I would like to bump it..
Feb 01 14:12:57 <mickey|office> *nod*
Feb 01 14:13:05 <JaMa> mickey|office: I pinged you about 2 days ago.. if it would be ok to bump it in sane-srcrevs-fso.. but then I noticed that there was only default configs for fsodeviced, but now I've seen your commits with rest of daemons..
Feb 01 14:13:43 <mickey|office> JaMa: right. moreover, there have been some important changes wrt. fsousaged which i'd like to deploy
Feb 01 14:13:53 <mickey|office> they're experimental, but need testing
Feb 01 14:14:03 <JaMa> good I'll try it localy today..
Feb 01 14:14:22 <JaMa> mickey|office: did you notice my pythong bump in oe-devel ML?
Feb 01 14:14:32 <JaMa> s/pythong/python&cython/
Feb 01 14:14:44 <mickey|office> great. the new resource-specific command queueing should iron out the bugs on faster kernels
Feb 01 14:14:55 <mickey|office> yes, saw the patch. i guess i should ACK that
Feb 01 14:15:13 <JaMa> you're listed as python* maintainer.. so it would be great
Feb 01 14:17:48 <mickey|office> done
Feb 01 14:18:17 <JaMa> thanks
Feb 01 14:18:36 <JaMa> mickey|office: and last disturbance in force.. did you check that etk-native patch from mtn?
Feb 01 14:19:14 <Serdar> hi
Feb 01 14:19:48 <Serdar> mickey|office, http://tmp.fosdem.org/folder/folder2010-rc6.pdf
Feb 01 14:19:58 <Serdar> Deubeuliou, http://tmp.fosdem.org/folder/folder2010-rc6.pdf
Feb 01 14:20:03 <Serdar> Heinervdm, http://tmp.fosdem.org/folder/folder2010-rc6.pdf
Feb 01 14:20:11 <Serdar> did I forget someone?
Feb 01 14:20:37 <Serdar> guess not.
Feb 01 14:25:24 <mickey|office> Serdar: no, looks good!
Feb 01 14:25:36 <Serdar> okay.
Feb 01 14:25:46 <mickey|office> JaMa: aww, not yet sorry, i'll write me a mail to check that when I'm home
Feb 01 14:25:55 <Serdar> is still rc
Feb 01 14:26:47 <Serdar> so I will show you the installer, I mentioned
Feb 01 14:26:48 <JaMa> mickey|office: no problem, thanks
Feb 01 14:26:54 <Serdar> at fosdem.
Feb 01 14:27:01 <mickey|office> Serdar: right
Feb 01 14:32:27 <Serdar> compileing with vbox is painful :(
Feb 01 14:46:39 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, hi did you get the config for vibrator?
Feb 01 15:02:12 <JaMa> mickey|office: is it possible to include old frameworkd.conf to frameworkd too? I mean yours machine defaults..
Feb 01 15:03:12 <JaMa> spaetz: found the issue with that config .. right one is shipped with frameworkd package but also replaced with framework-config-shr imho..
Feb 01 15:11:15 <spaetz> good
Feb 01 15:11:25 <spaetz> if you meant me :)
Feb 01 15:11:48 <mickey|office> GNUtoo: hi, yes, thanks. enabled the config and it vibrates now. 
Feb 01 15:11:56 <GNUtoo> ok nice
Feb 01 15:12:09 <mickey|office> JaMa: hmm, we could do that, it's a bit more work though since we don't use autotools 
Feb 01 15:12:16 <mickey|office> GNUtoo: what will you work on next?
Feb 01 15:12:21 <mickey|office> the backlight still is buggy
Feb 01 15:12:26 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, removing the nasty sound hack
Feb 01 15:12:28 <mickey|office> max_brightness = 0 and it doesn't fully turn off
Feb 01 15:12:31 <mickey|office> ok
Feb 01 15:13:00 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, leviathan knows better backlight than me so I think I'd better concentrate on removing the nasty sound hack since I started to remove it
Feb 01 15:13:39 <leviathan> GNUtoo: ok
Feb 01 15:13:44 <leviathan> good plan
Feb 01 15:14:27 <GNUtoo> leviathan, btw we should find why your new fancy alsamixer controls are buggy...
Feb 01 15:14:41 <leviathan> hmm, yes
Feb 01 15:14:47 <leviathan> but for me it works fine
Feb 01 15:14:51 <GNUtoo> because or you didn't test them extensively
Feb 01 15:14:54 <leviathan> only one thing is ennoying me
Feb 01 15:15:02 <GNUtoo> or there is a difference between our setup/system etc...
Feb 01 15:15:08 <leviathan> i have to close alsamixer, so that the states get applied
Feb 01 15:15:18 <Azog> is gps working in the current shr-testing-image?
Feb 01 15:15:29 <leviathan> which device?
Feb 01 15:15:41 <GNUtoo> Azog, for testing I don't know....for unstable I got it working yesterday
Feb 01 15:16:09 <Azog> GNUtoo: thanks i just give it a try then
Feb 01 15:16:18 <GNUtoo> ok
Feb 01 15:18:48 <leviathan> hmm, so, I'm building now an image with the latest modifications
Feb 01 15:18:55 <leviathan> lets see if its working
Feb 01 15:20:52 <pbaxter> hi all
Feb 01 15:34:48 <JaMa> spaetz: but it's not fixed.. rather ugly broken on todays images.. can you fix it?
Feb 01 15:35:44 <JaMa> mickey|office: ok.. so we can keep them with recipe..
Feb 01 15:47:23 <leviathan> so
Feb 01 15:47:25 <leviathan> afk
Feb 01 16:01:48 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hello, I finally got some new cool measuring equipment :)
Feb 01 16:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> heh
Feb 01 16:02:06 <cz_jc> so I think I'll go ahead and measure the BUBAT
Feb 01 16:02:24 <cz_jc> this baby doesn't show something entirely different each time I hook the exact same component to it XD
Feb 01 16:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> very much appreciated
Feb 01 16:03:04 <cz_jc> its actually rated to 0.1 mV and I got some pretty tight insulated crocodiles that should do the trick with those tiny batteries
Feb 01 16:04:09 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, so my idea is, begin charging each bubat with a large resistor and 3v source
Feb 01 16:04:22 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, and plot at the start and each 10 minutes voltage across the battery
Feb 01 16:04:35 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, and then begin discharging via larger resistor and plot again
Feb 01 16:06:05 <obym> hallo, is number-to-name-resolution in the dialer in shr-t supposed to work right now? because it is not working for me...
Feb 01 16:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: sounds like a plan - large means 1k here?
Feb 01 16:07:17 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I'll rather look it up in the datasheet. I think it said 3K
Feb 01 16:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> maybe
Feb 01 16:08:03 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I think it charges for about 10 hours.. what do you think, how long should I let it charge ?
Feb 01 16:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> errm, no real idea. But I guess charging with 0.5C for 3 hours should be fine
Feb 01 16:09:18 <cz_jc> ok
Feb 01 16:09:54 <DocScrutinizer> you got the datasheet?
Feb 01 16:10:33 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe once I clean up mess from all the new bought stuff  so I can sit at the computer, I'll look it up in history :)
Feb 01 16:12:48 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: you noticed my 'poll' a few days ago? 16 reports, 12 with borked bupbat (or a kernel never enabling the BBC), 4 with working one
Feb 01 16:13:17 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, one wonders what could possibly be wrong
Feb 01 16:13:37 <DocScrutinizer> soldering temperature profile
Feb 01 16:13:49 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, did you see it in the datasheet ?
Feb 01 16:14:00 <DocScrutinizer> long ago, yes
Feb 01 16:14:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, do you think they went over that? I have absolutely no idea about temperatures so dunno how easy is it to break
Feb 01 16:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> nobody knows how fab actually did the bupbat soldering, so...
Feb 01 16:15:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I could give you closeup photo of the solder joints
Feb 01 16:15:44 <cz_jc> I have absolutely no clue about those processes
Feb 01 16:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> but it's knows anecdotally there been problems with bupbat soldering before
Feb 01 16:15:59 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, with gta01 ?
Feb 01 16:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> yup, or early gta02
Feb 01 16:16:25 <cz_jc> ah..
Feb 01 16:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> was before "my time"
Feb 01 16:16:46 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I think if the bubats work, I'll spring load it there without soldering
Feb 01 16:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> good plan
Feb 01 16:17:23 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, it looks like its point welded in about 3 tiny points, doesn't look extremely sturdy
Feb 01 16:18:13 <cz_jc> (the inner battery to the metal pads that actually get soldered)
Feb 01 16:18:39 <DocScrutinizer> asuming they did it manually at fab, it's easy to exceed the max time for soldering
Feb 01 16:18:56 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, gta02 got soldered manually? :)
Feb 01 16:19:08 <DocScrutinizer> that's the theory
Feb 01 16:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> for bupbat (and a few other components not siutable for reflow)
Feb 01 16:19:40 <cz_jc> hehe that explains the messy job on some small cappacitor between uSD leads
Feb 01 16:19:59 <cz_jc> not that I would've done it any better
Feb 01 16:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> that ne as well yes
Feb 01 16:32:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok just to make sure, I'll use 9V alkaline battery and LM317 linear regulator, should be a completely DC signal. Is that setup acceptable ?
Feb 01 16:32:56 <cz_jc> I'll even unpack a new battery to be on the safe side
Feb 01 16:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> should be fine
Feb 01 16:45:20 <TAsn> dos1, here?
Feb 01 16:45:27 <TAsn> I have a huge feature request :P
Feb 01 16:45:32 <dos1> i think yes :P
Feb 01 16:45:56 <TAsn> reloading libphone-utils
Feb 01 16:46:02 <TAsn> (re-init that is)
Feb 01 16:46:19 <TAsn> for getting the newest perfixes on demand
Feb 01 16:46:49 <TAsn> either by a dbus method (a reload config method that'll only do that atm?) or I don't know what.
Feb 01 16:47:56 <TAsn> dos1, as it's really dumb that we set prefixes in the wizard and then need to reboot
Feb 01 16:47:56 <TAsn> :|
Feb 01 16:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> init should be a mandatory standard dbus method call for any app
Feb 01 16:48:43 <dos1> TAsn: hmm, i'll try to look on that
Feb 01 16:49:15 <TAsn> spaetz, mind migrating frameworkd and libphone-ui-shr, libphone-ui, phoneuid and phonefsod to testing? The biggest change was the dropping of tel: prefixing altogether, and that's a really important change, I've been testing it for a month now, users for a couple of days, and mrmoku for two weeks or so, what do you think?
Feb 01 16:49:20 <TAsn> dos1, thanks.
Feb 01 16:49:33 <TAsn> dos1, you just need to expose a method
Feb 01 16:49:35 <TAsn> and then run
Feb 01 16:49:41 <TAsn> phone-utils.load()
Feb 01 16:49:45 <TAsn> iirc
Feb 01 16:50:10 <spaetz> TAsn, if current shr-u is nice we might consider merging the whole shebang
Feb 01 16:50:24 <dos1> TAsn: ok, but i'm not sure where I'm initing phoneutils and if that place is accessible from classes which use dbus
Feb 01 16:50:58 <TAsn> spaetz, I think it's nice, the only problem might be the infinite amount of shortcuts at the bottom of the screen in illume
Feb 01 16:51:25 <spaetz> i was waiting for shr-u to reach a new semi-stable state :)
Feb 01 16:51:27 <TAsn> mickey|office, "Dr. Michael Lauer" got your phd approved or something like that?
Feb 01 16:51:34 <TAsn> lolz
Feb 01 16:51:39 <TAsn> mickey|bbl, "Dr. Michael Lauer" got your phd approved or something like that?
Feb 01 16:51:46 <TAsn> dos1, just make it available
Feb 01 16:52:02 <spaetz> TAsn, he has one for a long time
Feb 01 16:52:05 <TAsn> just import phone-utils and call the load function
Feb 01 16:52:08 <TAsn> spaetz, really?
Feb 01 16:52:11 <mrmoku> spaetz, TAsn: maybe wait a second... for me to finish the contacts :P
Feb 01 16:52:11 <TAsn> didn't know that.
Feb 01 16:52:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, that won't be merged anyway
Feb 01 16:52:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, we'll have to test it for some time before a merge
Feb 01 16:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: what's wrong with Dr. Michael Lauer ? o.O
Feb 01 16:53:55 <[Rui]> I still think Dr. Mickey Lauer is a lot funnier :)
Feb 01 16:53:55 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I didn't know he's a doctor, nothing more than that.
Feb 01 16:54:10 <[Rui]> well, PhD more than doctor :)
Feb 01 16:54:28 <cz_jc> gentoo-openmoko actually has a scientist leader
Feb 01 16:54:37 <TAsn> [Rui], yeah, but here (Israel) we don't have "PhD" we just have the word doctor
Feb 01 16:54:50 <TAsn> we use the same word for a medical doctor and any other doctor
Feb 01 16:54:51 <TAsn> :P
Feb 01 16:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> same here in D
Feb 01 16:55:24 <cz_jc> we have science doctors here in Czech Republic
Feb 01 16:55:59 <[Rui]> TAsn: portugal is worse, we use doctor for any guy who has a university course but not one fron engineering arts, and then sr professor doutor (mr PhD) for formal doctorate reference
Feb 01 16:56:10 <TAsn> :|
Feb 01 16:56:23 <[Rui]> and for medical doctor too
Feb 01 16:56:42 <cz_jc> here you got to have years of experience and do a research thesis to get a PhD
Feb 01 16:56:57 <TAsn> dos1, in the wizard I get a message about only numbers are allowed in fields, wth? We should allow empty/or the pipe '|' character in fields...
Feb 01 16:57:15 <cz_jc> who cares about titles anyway, if it hacks, its a hacker XD
Feb 01 16:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: XD ack
Feb 01 16:58:53 <dos1> TAsn: ok
Feb 01 16:59:13 <TAsn> dos1, :P
Feb 01 16:59:54 <soltys> ;]
Feb 01 17:09:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok, got my PS setup working, I'm gonna write basis for measurement protocol and begin with first specimen :)
Feb 01 17:10:01 * Weiss is really Dr. Weiss and works on particle accelerators as his day job :)
Feb 01 17:11:03 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe both open terminal and 2K5 load voltages stay exactly at 3.00 +/- 1mV
Feb 01 17:11:08 <[Rui]> Weiss: cool, when you create a black hole please remember to give us ome advance warning ;)
Feb 01 17:11:11 <Weiss> I'm sure that getting a PhD (in the UK) is more a test of constitution and determination than anything to do with science
Feb 01 17:11:12 <cz_jc> thats perfect
Feb 01 17:11:48 <TAsn> Weiss, :|
Feb 01 17:12:02 <TAsn> maybe I'll be Dr. TAsn in a couple of years :P
Feb 01 17:12:05 <Weiss> maybe that's just my experience though
Feb 01 17:12:10 <TAsn> I'm thinking about it.
Feb 01 17:12:22 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: yup :-)
Feb 01 17:12:36 <soltys> dr..
Feb 01 17:12:52 <TAsn> though I'm still only a 55% Bachelor (and counting) :P
Feb 01 17:13:32 <TAsn> anyhow, cya later.
Feb 01 17:13:33 <cz_jc> TAsn, don't worry, I'm still at high school, repeating 4th year XD
Feb 01 17:13:46 <TAsn> cz_jc, :P
Feb 01 17:13:59 * soltys is on 3rd year at university ;P
Feb 01 17:14:13 <TAsn> I used to feel young around here, though I'm really starting to feel old :P
Feb 01 17:14:41 <soltys> TAsn: dos is tha youngest here afaik ;)
Feb 01 17:14:45 <[Rui]> ah those good ole days...
Feb 01 17:14:54 <cz_jc> I still feel young.. there are still people with way denser beards than me in my class XD
Feb 01 17:15:15 <TAsn> omg F4t 
Feb 01 17:16:34 <DocScrutinizer> Dr. nick. Joerg
Feb 01 17:16:52 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Feb 01 17:17:13 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, good for you XD
Feb 01 17:17:43 <cz_jc> I gained a title about a year and a half ago
Feb 01 17:17:46 <cz_jc> its called 'Mr' XD
Feb 01 17:18:37 <pespin> long way for me, just started university this year :O
Feb 01 17:19:17 * Weiss has heard that it's better not to use the Dr title when checking into a hotel, in case you get woken up at 4am by someone needing a doctor (physics not being so useful in that case)
Feb 01 17:19:42 <TAsn> Weiss, neither are dentists
Feb 01 17:20:19 <Weiss> hehe
Feb 01 17:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> Weiss: building black holes?
Feb 01 17:21:09 <cz_jc> we do get quite a bit of first aid training for electrical shock at school
Feb 01 17:21:46 * DocScrutinizer prefes electrical shock for first aid :-P
Feb 01 17:21:56 * Weiss zaps things with x-rays
Feb 01 17:22:03 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe try to hook yourself up to mains ;)
Feb 01 17:22:16 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, Germans do have 230V too, right ?
Feb 01 17:22:24 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: do this on a frequent basis
Feb 01 17:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: yup
Feb 01 17:22:42 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, already managed to on a few occasions
Feb 01 17:22:51 <bumbl> TAsn: you are old ;p
Feb 01 17:23:14 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I found it pretty suprising that a tiny flash cappacitor from a digital camera can kick so much more than mains
Feb 01 17:23:15 <DocScrutinizer> I replace Voltage test screwdriver by my finger
Feb 01 17:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: (capacitor) lol
Feb 01 17:23:39 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, thats just dangerous, you risk heart damage I heard
Feb 01 17:23:49 <Weiss> cz_jc: ooh.. I did that once.  I recommend NOT doing it.. the jerk came horribly close to my chest :o
Feb 01 17:23:55 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, no really, it burned a white trail through my finger
Feb 01 17:23:59 <cz_jc> took about 2 months to heal
Feb 01 17:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> (damage) prolly not anymore. done so many times
Feb 01 17:24:38 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, good for you then. But keep in mind if somehow you had a really good ground, it could grip you and not let you go
Feb 01 17:24:53 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: electron flashlight I assume
Feb 01 17:25:22 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: no, I'm immune to that
Feb 01 17:25:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe ok, I like to keep it safe XD
Feb 01 17:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> except for DC current
Feb 01 17:26:17 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, noo not flashlight, digital camera flash, as in a tube camera flasher with about 300V ignition voltage
Feb 01 17:26:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's what we call electron flash here
Feb 01 17:26:46 <cz_jc> the cappacitor actually had a few farads (yes, a farad actually :/) and did quite a number
Feb 01 17:27:17 <cz_jc> didn't know 300V/>1F cappacitors existed until then XD
Feb 01 17:27:21 <DocScrutinizer> what??? a Farad? o.O
Feb 01 17:27:28 <cz_jc> yeah
Feb 01 17:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> no way
Feb 01 17:27:42 <cz_jc> found out they have worse behavior than typical electrolytic cappacitors
Feb 01 17:27:58 <cz_jc> looks exactly like one, if you read the rating on it, makes your eyes roll
Feb 01 17:28:26 <cz_jc> its not even EDLC, datasheet said its a 'flash cappacitor'
Feb 01 17:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> wtf, that flash tube has to be like, err... 300^2 - 100^2 Ws then
Feb 01 17:29:53 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, its huge
Feb 01 17:30:07 <DocScrutinizer> the largest flashtubes I know of have 1000some Ws
Feb 01 17:30:15 <Weiss> 300V/1F is waay too big.. flashgun is more like 15 mF at that voltage (IIRC)
Feb 01 17:30:26 <Weiss> you get 1F low-voltage capacitors for boosting heavy bass in hifis
Feb 01 17:30:49 <cz_jc> way bigger than the 5.5V/1F backup cappacitor I have hear
Feb 01 17:31:33 <cz_jc> *here
Feb 01 17:31:33 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, oh you mean the tube.. no, thats tiny
Feb 01 17:31:33 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, but the camera is made so it can flash about 30 times in quick succession
Feb 01 17:31:57 <DocScrutinizer> oooh
Feb 01 17:32:09 * DocScrutinizer ponders and wondes
Feb 01 17:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> tiny flashtube = 5..15Ws
Feb 01 17:33:01 <DocScrutinizer> ~30 * 15
Feb 01 17:33:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Feb 01 17:33:15 <Weiss> IIRC the big fat flashgun capacitor I was playing with was something like 1500 uF
Feb 01 17:33:21 <DocScrutinizer> tzz
Feb 01 17:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> wtf??
Feb 01 17:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> infobot aka apt is down
Feb 01 17:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> !seen apt
Feb 01 17:35:02 <cdbot2> apt (ibot@rikers.org) was last seen quitting from #openmoko-cdevel 17 hours, 9 minutes ago stating (Quit: Leaving).
Feb 01 17:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Feb 01 17:37:33 <cz_jc> !apt-get install apt
Feb 01 17:42:58 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, haha we were way off
Feb 01 17:43:19 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, datasheet sez max. charge current be 25uA, that makes it 132K given ideal battery
Feb 01 17:43:46 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, it also says charge time is 30 hours
Feb 01 17:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: duh
Feb 01 17:44:34 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, should I exceed the current ? do you think it'll hold ?
Feb 01 17:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: /me wonders what's the pcf50633 specs wrt BBC max chg current
Feb 01 17:45:18 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I got it handy, lemme check
Feb 01 17:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: nah, please trust the datasheet more than me
Feb 01 17:45:48 * cz_jc searches PCF50633 datasheet
Feb 01 17:46:34 <cz_jc>        backup battery supply voltage 1.6 - 3 V
Feb 01 17:46:34 <cz_jc> VBUBAT
Feb 01 17:46:37 <cz_jc> that fits
Feb 01 17:46:44 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Feb 01 17:46:54 <[Rui]> I see there are two new SoC chips in the shr-u images
Feb 01 17:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> and you can switch charge voltage to 2 discrete values
Feb 01 17:47:12 <[Rui]> what devices are they for, and do they support telephony better than the freerunner?
Feb 01 17:47:17 <cz_jc>        backup battery supply 1.6 - 3 V
Feb 01 17:47:17 <cz_jc> VBUBAT
Feb 01 17:47:17 <cz_jc>        voltage
Feb 01 17:47:19 <cz_jc> also fitts
Feb 01 17:48:35 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, this is what we're looking for
Feb 01 17:48:36 <cz_jc>                                                        μA
Feb 01 17:48:36 <cz_jc> Ich(BUBAT) charge current on pin programmable 35 - 550
Feb 01 17:48:36 <cz_jc>            BUBAT
Feb 01 17:48:56 <cz_jc> 35-550 uA programmable backup battery charge
Feb 01 17:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Feb 01 17:49:14 <DocScrutinizer> I knew we're way off from 25uA
Feb 01 17:49:15 <cz_jc> datasheet sez max charge is 25uA
Feb 01 17:49:44 <cz_jc> that makes the bubat unsuitable for PCF50633
Feb 01 17:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Feb 01 17:50:08 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: thanks for doing my job :-)
Feb 01 17:50:40 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe np..
Feb 01 17:51:08 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, well only possible solution since its a constant current charger is a parallel resistor
Feb 01 17:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Feb 01 17:51:28 <cz_jc> (that would unfortunately discharge it as well)
Feb 01 17:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> great effect for backup time
Feb 01 17:51:53 <cz_jc> a possible workaround for the discharge is though a voltage sense that disables the resistor below 2.8V for instance
Feb 01 17:52:09 <DocScrutinizer> forget that
Feb 01 17:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> not even worth the effort
Feb 01 17:52:51 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, zener and a transistor would do that
Feb 01 17:53:05 <cz_jc> theres lot of free space around
Feb 01 17:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> I'd recommend a goldcap to replace the LiIon cell
Feb 01 17:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: won't pan out, as while charging you also have <2V8
Feb 01 17:55:30 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, then a tiny shunt resistor from the charger that senses current direction and a transistor, even simpler
Feb 01 17:56:18 <cz_jc> but yeah, its a lot of work just for clock
Feb 01 17:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> we could just forget about the transistor. Stating discharge always << charge current
Feb 01 17:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> though I start to doubt if that's actually true
Feb 01 17:57:11 <lindi-> not on my gta02 at least :)
Feb 01 17:57:12 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, if you put a big series resistor there, won't it just increase voltage to do those 50uA anyway ?
Feb 01 17:57:45 <lindi-> i can charge at 100 mA but consume easily more than that if that's what the issue was
Feb 01 17:58:08 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: we're talking backup bat
Feb 01 17:58:19 <cz_jc> lindi-, we're talking about the bubat which unfortunately has 25uA top charge current
Feb 01 17:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: could you paste the bubat ds URL?
Feb 01 17:59:18 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, http://datasheet.octopart.com/HB414-IV01E-Seiko-datasheet-5393907.pdf
Feb 01 18:00:54 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, its the first Freerunner problem a larger cappacitor doesn't solve. This one needs a larger battery XD
Feb 01 18:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> Charge
Feb 01 18:01:00 <DocScrutinizer> Constant Current / Constant Voltage
Feb 01 18:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> 3.3V, max. 500uA, 5hr / 25uA,30hr
Feb 01 18:02:19 <wpwrak> cz_jc: well, doc has suggested a very large cap to solve it :)
Feb 01 18:02:31 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, huh.. oh yeah.. theres another chart there
Feb 01 18:03:29 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, how come there are two charts with different max values ?
Feb 01 18:04:31 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, aah.. it says the one I told you about is after 2 reflows
Feb 01 18:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> it's always about some particular characteristics of BUBAT, the charge current is just specifying the particular testing conditions
Feb 01 18:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> the one stating cell will survive some 70..80 cycles on 100% discharge is "nice" though
Feb 01 18:07:35 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok pardon my mistake
Feb 01 18:07:41 <cz_jc> I'll count with 500uA then
Feb 01 18:07:49 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: no problem
Feb 01 18:09:55 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, that makes it 6K6
Feb 01 18:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: please refer to http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/BUBAT/
Feb 01 18:17:21 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, HTTP 403
Feb 01 18:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> dmmmdidmm
Feb 01 18:19:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, huh ?
Feb 01 18:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: better now?
Feb 01 18:21:06 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, yes, works :)
Feb 01 18:22:46 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, very good, thanks. Do you think I should count with the stated impedance in doc 1 as if it was a best case scenario ?
Feb 01 18:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> err, please rephrase
Feb 01 18:26:02 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, aah.. sorry, my X crashed (overclocked my CPU too much)
Feb 01 18:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-02-01 19:22:45] <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, very good, thanks. Do you think I should count with the stated impedance in doc 1 as if it was a best case scenario ?
Feb 01 18:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-02-01 19:23:24] <DocScrutinizer> err, please rephrase
Feb 01 18:26:40 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I'm wondering if I'm gonna count with the internal resistance of the battery
Feb 01 18:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> never rely on that. It's worst case
Feb 01 18:27:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, allright
Feb 01 18:28:18 <cz_jc> ok I'm starting to see a pattern here
Feb 01 18:28:27 <cz_jc> every time I make a vertical ruler in gimp, my Xorg crashes
Feb 01 18:28:52 <cz_jc> brb, off to underclock
Feb 01 18:33:03 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/BUBAT/BAT1701HB0414-IV01E.pdf    4-6 Maximum Charging Current (mA)
Feb 01 18:34:40 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, thanks
Feb 01 18:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> up to 2V8 you may charge with 5mA
Feb 01 18:35:08 <DocScrutinizer> 2V8 to 3V, max 0.5 mA
Feb 01 18:35:13 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, but that would mean I won't do a full cycle then
Feb 01 18:35:21 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, or do you think I should hotswap resistors ?
Feb 01 18:35:58 <cz_jc> yeah actually that makes sense
Feb 01 18:36:02 <DocScrutinizer> you probably should charge with 0.5mA
Feb 01 18:36:29 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, thats what I count with now..
Feb 01 18:36:37 <cz_jc> I'll make it 2.99V XD
Feb 01 18:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> the resistor value has to guarantee <5mA@3V and <0.5mA@0.2V, if you have a 3.0V CV PSU
Feb 01 18:39:02 <TAsn> raster, sup? got a sec?
Feb 01 18:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> so my first recommendation of 1k seems not so way off
Feb 01 18:46:34 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, minimum battery voltage I have here is 0.1V, so lets count with 0V
Feb 01 18:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: 3V0 (PSU) - 0V1 =~ 3V
Feb 01 18:47:27 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, at that point, we need 600 ohm resistor to charge with 5mA
Feb 01 18:47:54 <DocScrutinizer> see my above recommendation: use 1k
Feb 01 18:47:58 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, when battery reaches 2.8V, we need to charge with 500uA
Feb 01 18:48:25 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, thats 400 ohm
Feb 01 18:48:48 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, looks like 1K is just fine, 600 ohm also
Feb 01 18:48:58 <DocScrutinizer> 200mV / 0.5mA = 400R
Feb 01 18:49:13 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I'll rather be on the safe side as you say
Feb 01 18:49:22 <cz_jc> so lets make it 1K
Feb 01 18:56:12 * Weiss has two FRs on his desk :D
Feb 01 19:03:27 <mrmoku> Weiss: congrats :D
Feb 01 19:09:19 <[Rui]> mrmoku: thank you for r215, already installed it from there and it's ok :)
Feb 01 19:16:10 <mrmoku> [Rui]: good :)
Feb 01 19:16:18 <Weiss> hmm.. does the current SHR-testing + qi + UBI image theoretically work? I get an RCU stall message (and no booting)
Feb 01 19:18:41 <TAsn> spaetz, so, do you plan on migrating unstable to testing?
Feb 01 19:20:45 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok got my preparations done: http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/bubat.pdf
Feb 01 19:20:58 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I'm going to start measuring, feel free to correct my method :)
Feb 01 19:22:33 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, slight correction: test group is actually 9 batteries, found some under the table
Feb 01 19:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> heh, great
Feb 01 19:24:45 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: watch that smart guy :-)
Feb 01 19:27:22 <dos1> TAsn: default phoneutils conf is for Germany, yes
Feb 01 19:27:29 <dos1> TAsn: as it's mrmoku's configuration :)
Feb 01 19:27:43 <TAsn> dos1, that sob :P
Feb 01 19:27:54 <TAsn> oh shit, I cursed.
Feb 01 19:27:59 <TAsn> I haven't for a very long time :(
Feb 01 19:28:24 <TAsn> how did it even get there?! He didn't write libphone-utils :|
Feb 01 19:28:32 <TAsn> or is it a config?!
Feb 01 19:29:02 <TAsn> weird...
Feb 01 19:29:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Feb 01 19:29:32 <infobot> ~pong
Feb 01 19:29:39 <TAsn> even weirder, it seems that I committed that config...
Feb 01 19:29:42 <dos1> TAsn: config :P
Feb 01 19:29:47 <TAsn> I really should change it to 972
Feb 01 19:29:48 <dos1> TAsn: default config shipped in SHR
Feb 01 19:29:48 <TAsn> :|
Feb 01 19:29:55 <TAsn> dos1, I know it's a config
Feb 01 19:30:08 <TAsn> I meant if it's a config from outside of hte libphone-utils git
Feb 01 19:30:11 <TAsn> but it seems it's not
Feb 01 19:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
Feb 01 19:30:59 <infobot> Since Mon Feb  1 18:49:00 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 41m 58s this session, and currently reference 116799 factoids.  I'm using about 15432 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 9.88/1.44 child 0.34/0.15
Feb 01 19:31:23 <TAsn> !moron tasn
Feb 01 19:31:28 <TAsn> ~moron tasn
Feb 01 19:31:34 <TAsn> :|
Feb 01 19:31:48 <TAsn> I guess I'm too much of a moron to figure how to operate that feature :P
Feb 01 19:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~spank TAsn 
Feb 01 19:31:50 * infobot bends TAsn over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on TAsn's pasty white buttocks.
Feb 01 19:32:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, my first specimen is dead beyond identification
Feb 01 19:33:03 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Feb 01 19:33:08 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, its discharged to 14mV now and multimeter impedance of 10Mohm actually discharges it about 0.1mV/s
Feb 01 19:33:38 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no problem. Just charge, then check aggain
Feb 01 19:33:38 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hmm.. now it dropped to 12.2mV and slowed to about 0.1mV / 3s
Feb 01 19:33:41 <cz_jc> yes
Feb 01 19:34:54 <[Rui]> cz_jc: are you c_c?
Feb 01 19:35:59 <cz_jc> [Rui], you mean nick ?
Feb 01 19:36:21 <[Rui]> cz_jc: c_c on the om community list? author of Vntura?
Feb 01 19:36:48 <cz_jc> [Rui], nope, I'm a complete nobody
Feb 01 19:37:15 <cz_jc> only 1 svn commit mentions me XD
Feb 01 19:37:27 <[Rui]> cz_jc: nobody's nobody! :)
Feb 01 19:38:05 <cz_jc> [Rui], well take it I didn't do anything,,,
Feb 01 19:41:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, well thats weird
Feb 01 19:41:34 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, its charging fast as hell
Feb 01 19:41:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 2.9V now
Feb 01 19:42:09 <daniele_athome> could the possibility to make multiple calls depend on the operator?
Feb 01 19:42:30 <daniele_athome> putting my previous call on hold e initiating a new one returns NoCarrier error
Feb 01 19:42:37 <mickeyl> depends on SIM and operator
Feb 01 19:42:40 <daniele_athome> s/ e / and /
Feb 01 19:42:41 <infobot> daniele_athome meant: putting my previous call on hold and initiating a new one returns NoCarrier error
Feb 01 19:43:12 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, can I get detailed information from the error?
Feb 01 19:43:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 2.96V now.. do you think its  borked ?
Feb 01 19:44:33 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, http://pastebin.com/m624d441f
Feb 01 19:44:37 <daniele_athome> error from frameworkd.log
Feb 01 19:44:43 <daniele_athome> i'm using ogsmd...
Feb 01 19:44:43 <mickeyl> daniele_athome: try at+ceer
Feb 01 19:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: probably
Feb 01 19:46:17 <daniele_athome> how can I connect to gsm modem while making a call?
Feb 01 19:46:43 <lindi-> daniele_athome: frameworkd?
Feb 01 19:46:45 <DocScrutinizer> daniele_athome: doing what?
Feb 01 19:46:46 <daniele_athome> mmm... mickeyterm :D
Feb 01 19:46:49 <daniele_athome> lindi-, yes
Feb 01 19:47:01 <lindi-> daniele_athome: I use iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/gsm-debug
Feb 01 19:47:23 <lindi-> daniele_athome: mickeyterm does not work if you have gprs since all channels are already in use
Feb 01 19:47:32 <daniele_athome> ok thanks :)
Feb 01 19:48:01 <TAsn> daniele_athome, IIRC I also reported similar behavior (freesmartphone trac).
Feb 01 19:48:09 <DocScrutinizer> though GPRS doesn't work during call anyway, so you can tear it down as well
Feb 01 19:48:50 <lindi-> problem is just that it takes a long time to tear down
Feb 01 19:48:59 <DocScrutinizer> umm nm, missed to read backscroll
Feb 01 19:49:12 <lindi-> unless you force it but frameworkd does not support that afaik
Feb 01 19:49:24 <daniele_athome> +CEER: 1,0,5,2
Feb 01 19:49:30 <daniele_athome> nothing more
Feb 01 20:01:28 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, well I call the first charge cycle quits, 20 minutes into charging, its stable at 2.98V...
Feb 01 20:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> cz_jc: I'd be not patient enough to wait any longer. I'd stop charging right now and see if it holds voltage
Feb 01 20:01:51 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Feb 01 20:02:08 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, yep, I'll setup a timer, my guess is seconds with 10Mohm internal resistance of multimeter
Feb 01 20:02:15 <DocScrutinizer> actually our posts crossed
Feb 01 20:03:02 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, haha 2.13V
Feb 01 20:03:16 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 17 secs, 1.97V
Feb 01 20:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Feb 01 20:03:58 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 1 minute: 1/77V
Feb 01 20:04:04 <cz_jc> *1.77V
Feb 01 20:04:45 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, thats 0.3uA at 3V
Feb 01 20:04:59 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Feb 01 20:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> odds are it's dead
Feb 01 20:05:27 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, to my suprise, it holds at 1.62V
Feb 01 20:05:36 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, now 2 min 40s
Feb 01 20:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Feb 01 20:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's not completely dead then
Feb 01 20:06:24 <cz_jc> but yeah.. its way dead.. its just wants to grip the reality that its supposed to be a battery so bad it simulates to behave like one
Feb 01 20:06:44 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Feb 01 20:07:00 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 4 min - 1.53V
Feb 01 20:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> charge for 5h, then test again
Feb 01 20:07:24 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, actually this is reaching the point the PCF would use values
Feb 01 20:07:29 <cz_jc> *loose
Feb 01 20:07:37 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, looks like it behaves similar to the one in my FR
Feb 01 20:08:19 <pieterc> where can i find latest shr-settings ipk's? Get segfaults in current installed shr-u
Feb 01 20:08:48 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, no can do.. I'll have to let it charge over night, I wake up at 6 am, that makes it about 11h
Feb 01 20:09:00 <DocScrutinizer> np
Feb 01 20:09:04 <zeusone> pieterc: was not a shr-setting problem
Feb 01 20:09:07 <spaetz> wasn't that fixed in the  latest update?
Feb 01 20:09:26 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I see your point though, maybe cycling it would recover it ?
Feb 01 20:09:52 <DocScrutinizer> yeah may formatize the cell chemistry
Feb 01 20:10:01 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, 7 min... 1.4V
Feb 01 20:10:44 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok, lets pray for the little guy to recover :)
Feb 01 20:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> I'd stop discharge and continue to charge it, with lower current maybe
Feb 01 20:11:27 <lindi-> cz_jc: can't you use cron to schedule it?
Feb 01 20:11:30 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, done.. its at 2.98V now
Feb 01 20:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> k
Feb 01 20:11:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r57d2d93b3472 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rfkill/plugin.vala: 
Feb 01 20:11:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_rfkill: don't bail out, if /dev/rfkill is not present or can't be opened
Feb 01 20:11:37 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: plugins should _never_ ever use GLib.critical for anything.
Feb 01 20:11:44 <cz_jc> lindi-, if I had a robot that'd unhook my battery XD
Feb 01 20:12:04 <cz_jc> my rat tends to be hyperactive overnight
Feb 01 20:12:06 <lindi-> cz_jc: isn't it enough to shutdown the phone?
Feb 01 20:12:09 <cz_jc> maybe I can train her to unhook it XD XD
Feb 01 20:12:21 <cz_jc> lindi-, the batt is outside the phone
Feb 01 20:12:29 <lindi-> cz_jc: ah you are not charging it with the phone?
Feb 01 20:12:35 <cz_jc> lindi-, nope
Feb 01 20:12:39 <lindi-> cz_jc: with a lab power supply?
Feb 01 20:12:47 <TAsn> mickeyl, GLib.critical - We also had stuff like that in SHR, terribly annoying, people used it in weird places :P
Feb 01 20:12:52 <cz_jc> lindi-, 9V battery + LM317 based linear regulator
Feb 01 20:12:56 <lindi-> cz_jc: ah
Feb 01 20:13:07 <TAsn> mickeyl, or more annoyingly - assert
Feb 01 20:13:26 <mickeyl> yeah
Feb 01 20:13:35 <mickeyl> assert is another story though
Feb 01 20:13:41 <mickeyl> i expect that eventually we'll compile with assert off
Feb 01 20:13:46 <mickeyl> to remove all the debug in fso2
Feb 01 20:13:59 <mickeyl> if we want max speed, we have to do that
Feb 01 20:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: [2010-02-01 20:20:45] <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, ok got my preparations done: http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/bubat.pdf
Feb 01 20:14:57 <mickeyl> ok, i'm fed up with udev
Feb 01 20:15:03 * mickeyl removes it and enables devtmpfs
Feb 01 20:16:23 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, I love the fact I went all politically correct about it and it turns out to be completely screwed up XD
Feb 01 20:17:49 <DocScrutinizer> suicide by seldischarge induced deep discharge, due to "best before:" expired
Feb 01 20:17:57 <JaMa> mickeyl: I have that freesmartphone/fso*.bb cleanup ready.. I'll send patch after testing..
Feb 01 20:18:06 <JaMa> but still at work :/
Feb 01 20:18:31 <mickeyl> okies, don't hurry
Feb 01 20:18:53 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, really? they're expired? XD
Feb 01 20:19:17 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, as far as I recall, some had some voltage retained when I got them. this one was even deeper discharged than others
Feb 01 20:20:22 * DocScrutinizer off to test the uC system in his water heater while taking shower
Feb 01 20:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Feb 01 20:20:35 <cz_jc> DocScrutinizer, hehe enjoy :P
Feb 01 20:20:40 <cz_jc> I'm off to sleep.. bye :)
Feb 01 20:21:03 <TAsn> mickeyl, I don't like assert that much for anything not extremely performance oriented, and even then, it's just something I wouldn't like having in production code (in the moko's case, I consider unstable as production code, and therefore assert is completely useless for us).
Feb 01 20:21:38 <TAsn> mickeyl, Furthermore, in libphone-ui-shr (or more correctly libframeworkd-glib) people used it in all the wrong places :P
Feb 01 20:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> smart bugger, even with RF remote control (water resistent one of course)
Feb 01 20:32:06 <[Rui]> erms... why is X listenting?
Feb 01 20:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> lol, it is?
Feb 01 20:33:40 <[Rui]> yeah, I shout into it's 6000 ears and it opens a socket !
Feb 01 20:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> on GPRS even?
Feb 01 20:33:45 <[Rui]> 0.0.0.0
Feb 01 20:33:51 <lindi-> [Rui]: it's waiting for clients
Feb 01 20:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> hrhrhrrr
Feb 01 20:34:03 <lindi-> :)
Feb 01 20:34:10 <[Rui]> lindi-: it's waiting for a bug to happen!
Feb 01 20:34:29 <DocScrutinizer> it's waiting for me to rape it
Feb 01 20:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen coredump
Feb 01 20:39:11 <infobot> coredump <n=mhentges@hentges.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 120d 8h 33m 56s ago, saying: 'or join #linuxtogo'.
Feb 01 20:40:50 <[Rui]> NTP AS WELL?
Feb 01 20:42:04 <DocScrutinizer> WTF!
Feb 01 20:42:05 <[Rui]> mickeyl: why is frameworkd exporting UDP port 123 (NTP)?
Feb 01 20:42:20 <DocScrutinizer> !seen coredump
Feb 01 20:42:23 <cdbot2> DocScrutinizer, I don't remember seeing coredump.
Feb 01 20:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen coredump|home
Feb 01 20:42:55 <infobot> coredump|home is currently on #oe, last said: 'you're welcome =)'.
Feb 01 20:42:59 <[Rui]> mickeyl: ntp client is good, but it shouldn't serve time by default!
Feb 01 20:43:14 <lindi-> aiee, frameworkd has its own implementation of the NTP protocol running as root
Feb 01 20:43:59 <mickeyl> [Rui]: ?
Feb 01 20:44:15 <mickeyl> frameworkd is definitely not an ntp server
Feb 01 20:44:26 <[Rui]> mickeyl: root@om-gta02 ~ $ netstat -utlnp
Feb 01 20:44:47 <[Rui]> udp    49056      0 0.0.0.0:123             0.0.0.0:*                           2090/python
Feb 01 20:44:59 <[Rui]> root      2090  0.2 13.9  30596 16848 ?        Ss   09:11   1:59 python /usr/bin/frameworkd
Feb 01 20:45:08 <[Rui]> mickeyl: seems to be!
Feb 01 20:45:11 <mickeyl> no
Feb 01 20:45:14 <lindi-> [Rui]: it's a client
Feb 01 20:45:17 <mickeyl> that's a client 
Feb 01 20:45:27 <[Rui]> lindi-: mickeyl: if it listends to a port, it's a server :)
Feb 01 20:45:39 <[Rui]> so it's a bug
Feb 01 20:46:08 <mickeyl> don't think so
Feb 01 20:46:10 <mickeyl> but try fsotdld
Feb 01 20:46:40 <[Rui]> mickeyl: well, wait for a worm that explots some bug on fso. then you may think so :)
Feb 01 20:46:52 <lindi-> mickeyl: does it let anybody send ntp reply packets?
Feb 01 20:46:58 <[Rui]> mickeyl: you don't have to listen UDP port 123 to be a client
Feb 01 20:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Feb 01 20:47:08 <mickeyl> dunno
Feb 01 20:47:09 <lindi-> mickeyl: i don't see any check to see that the reply came from the legit server
Feb 01 20:47:11 <mickeyl> this is not my implementation
Feb 01 20:47:12 <mickeyl> try fsotdld
Feb 01 20:47:29 <lindi-> if not then anybody can control the clock remotely
Feb 01 20:47:54 <[Rui]> mickeyl: 'Can't acquire service name org.freesmartphone.otimed; service already running or not allowed in dbus configuration.'
Feb 01 20:47:56 <mickeyl> need to check whether I'm doing that in fsotdld
Feb 01 20:48:16 <mickeyl> [Rui]: fso1 and fso2 are fighting over the same services
Feb 01 20:48:18 <lindi-> having ones own ntp implementation sounds like serious wheel-reinventing to me
Feb 01 20:48:21 <mickeyl> stop frameworkd's time service
Feb 01 20:48:37 <mickeyl> lindi-: depends
Feb 01 20:48:41 <[Rui]> mickeyl: but seriously, this didn't happen previously...
Feb 01 20:49:06 <lindi-> mickeyl: you could also easily break the NTP RFC
Feb 01 20:49:18 <mickeyl> lindi-: coworking with external processes is sometimes more involved than just sending a packet
Feb 01 20:49:20 <[Rui]> mickeyl: /etc/frameworkd.conf otimed section?
Feb 01 20:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: ntpdate alike implementation is ok
Feb 01 20:49:27 <mickeyl> [Rui]: yep
Feb 01 20:49:28 <lindi-> mickeyl: remember when some routers did this and caused horrible load to pool.ntp.org
Feb 01 20:50:01 <[Rui]> mickeyl: but I don't want to loose ntp client functionality
Feb 01 20:50:06 <misc> lindi-: what they did was to hardcode a ntp server, no ?
Feb 01 20:50:13 <mickeyl> [Rui]: don't you just want to run fsotdld?
Feb 01 20:50:17 <mickeyl> to testß
Feb 01 20:50:18 <mickeyl> ?
Feb 01 20:50:18 <lindi-> misc: well most users did not change default
Feb 01 20:50:33 <DocScrutinizer> misc: stratum0 even iirc
Feb 01 20:50:48 <[Rui]> mickeyl: I can do it manually, but what about afterwards?
Feb 01 20:50:52 <lindi-> how many fso users have changed frameworkd's ntp client settings? ;)
Feb 01 20:51:12 <mickeyl> lindi-: patches appreciated. i will accept a plugin that just uses ntpd instead of calling on its own
Feb 01 20:51:23 <mickeyl> [Rui]: then you enalbe it again in frameworkd.conf?`
Feb 01 20:51:26 <mickeyl> bbl
Feb 01 20:51:42 <[Rui]> ok, disabling otimed closes the port
Feb 01 20:52:07 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: if FSO implementaion is using the roundrobing DNS then users don't need to change
Feb 01 20:52:13 <[Rui]> fsotdld doesn't open a port.
Feb 01 20:52:18 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: it's using ip address
Feb 01 20:52:19 <[Rui]> so how can I replace one with the other?
Feb 01 20:52:26 <DocScrutinizer> ouuuuuch
Feb 01 20:52:27 <[Rui]> definitly and cross boot? :)
Feb 01 20:52:50 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: of some german server
Feb 01 20:53:07 <DocScrutinizer> hrhrhr, still bad enough
Feb 01 20:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> mind to paste it here?
Feb 01 20:53:21 <lindi-> 134.169.172.1
Feb 01 20:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> tu-bs.de
Feb 01 20:53:51 <DocScrutinizer> heh
Feb 01 20:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> the only instance to really gather an overview of installed FSO base
Feb 01 20:55:22 <misc> what can we deduce of the fact the server didn't even crash under the load :( 
Feb 01 20:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Feb 01 20:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's the hat-on server of the evil FR botnet?
Feb 01 20:57:55 <DocScrutinizer> [Rui]: nmap is your friend. Maybe it's actually a sshd service on port 123
Feb 01 20:58:06 <misc> -sV 
Feb 01 20:59:00 <daniele_athome> i'm trying to start a dbus service from a .service file in system-services, but when I try to do the method call, dbus-send returns:
Feb 01 20:59:01 <daniele_athome> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.FailedToSetup: Failed to setup environment correctly
Feb 01 21:04:35 <JaMa> mickey|shower: AFAIK you cannot use CONFFILES_${PN} = "${sysconfdir}/freesmartphone" as you would with FILES_${PN}, any hint how to specify CONFFILES for all files in directory? I don't want to list all posible config files you can put in cornucopia including future supported devices :)
Feb 01 21:05:11 <daniele_athome> ok now another error lol
Feb 01 21:05:11 <daniele_athome> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
Feb 01 21:05:47 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: lol
Feb 01 21:06:03 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: ping
Feb 01 21:18:24 <daniele_athome> mmm.. even with phoneui helpers
Feb 01 21:27:47 <Weiss> hmm, what happened to git.openmoko.org?
Feb 01 21:31:50 <mickey|shower> JaMa: just don't specify them. the files under /etc/freesmartphone/conf/ are not supposed to be edited. if someone wants to edit one of the configs, he should copy it to /etc/freesmartphone/ or /etc
Feb 01 21:32:13 <mickey|shower> i'll place a big fat README in /etc/freesmartphone/conf
Feb 01 21:41:14 <teythoon> onen|openBmap: pong
Feb 01 21:41:31 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: in extremis :-) I was shuting down :O
Feb 01 21:41:47 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: I just wanted to know if you got my email?
Feb 01 21:41:49 <teythoon> onen|openBmap: well, good night then ;)
Feb 01 21:41:56 <teythoon> i did
Feb 01 21:42:21 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: and, what do you think?
Feb 01 21:42:51 <teythoon> onen|openBmap: I think it's okay, but there are some questions that I'd like to ask
Feb 01 21:43:32 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: I am glad. It means I may get someone to work with on the client :-)
Feb 01 21:43:36 <teythoon> but I think those are best asked via mail
Feb 01 21:43:51 <teythoon> yeah, I have some more ideas too
Feb 01 21:43:52 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: sure. feel free.
Feb 01 21:44:02 <teythoon> cool
Feb 01 21:44:35 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: I now go to bed. But I will answer your email tomorrow evening
Feb 01 21:45:03 <teythoon> onen|openBmap: sleep well ;)
Feb 01 21:45:08 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: and I will try to save some time every day or so, in order to be at least able to answer your questions etc.
Feb 01 21:45:27 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: take care
Feb 01 21:45:30 <onen|openBmap> teythoon: gn
Feb 01 21:45:33 <teythoon> you too
Feb 01 21:46:38 <[Rui]> oh nice, black screen of death and even my ssh connection was lost
Feb 01 21:50:59 <[Rui]> blue power led is fixed, and red aux is blinking like crazy
Feb 01 21:55:26 <spaetz> red aux blinking is kernel panix IMHO
Feb 01 21:58:17 <[Rui]> booting is taking an awful lot of time
Feb 01 21:58:26 <[Rui]> much, much longer than it used to
Feb 01 22:05:02 <zeusone> hi, can someone tell me how I can say to my bitbake system to read the md5 in my recipe? If I add the md5 in the openembedded/conf/checksum.ini everything works but if I put the same in my recipe file doesn't work :(
Feb 01 22:11:02 <[Rui]> it doesn't look like it's booting
Feb 01 22:11:21 <[Rui]> still with the penguin, screen dims
Feb 01 22:11:35 <[Rui]> only syas Initializing CPU#0 and SHR Linux is booting...
Feb 01 22:17:05 <JaMa> spaetz: can you fix that frameworkd.conf in shr-themes.git?
Feb 01 22:17:10 <JaMa> please?
Feb 01 22:17:24 <thrashold> What is the best way to play a sound in an elementary app?
Feb 01 22:17:25 <mrmoku> JaMa: what fix is needed?
Feb 01 22:18:06 <Weiss> did someone break git.openmoko.org? I need to build a nice 2.6.32 kernel for playing with..
Feb 01 22:18:20 <zeusone> thrashold: I use aplay
Feb 01 22:18:38 <zeusone> thrashold: for simple wav file
Feb 01 22:18:40 <JaMa> mrmoku: with today's frameworkd-config-shr I got strange frameworkd.conf
Feb 01 22:18:46 <thrashold> zeusone: Yeah, I use that too, but I thought that there was a better way
Feb 01 22:19:07 <thrashold> I was trying gstreamer but it increases memory usage and everything
Feb 01 22:19:13 <zeusone> thrashold: if I understood well, this is the lighter way
Feb 01 22:19:20 <zeusone> thrashold: ya
Feb 01 22:19:43 <zeusone> thrashold: if you have to play only simple wav I think it's the best way
Feb 01 22:19:46 <JaMa> mrmoku: ./openmoko-cdevel-2010-02-01:10:46 < JaMa> spaetz: with last frameworkd-config-shr it looks almost like frameworkd.conf going backwards :/ why wasn't om-gta02 updated in http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=commit;h=f79868cde2fef9809dfb3838d65141ea3099e598 ?
Feb 01 22:19:50 <thrashold> There's also emotion/python-emotion, but it just wraps gstreamer :)
Feb 01 22:20:20 <zeusone> thrashold: depends on your need, you can see also the intone code
Feb 01 22:20:21 <spaetz> mmh
Feb 01 22:20:42 <zeusone> thrashold: c_c uses mplayer but it's c
Feb 01 22:21:02 <spaetz> let's get rid of those 3 duplicate conf files. I an see why gta01/02 need different files
Feb 01 22:21:11 <spaetz> but we have 3 of them....
Feb 01 22:21:32 <thrashold> zeusone: No, I just play some sound at some point, it's not actually crucial functionality at all because it duplicates functionality that's already available in ffalarms :)
Feb 01 22:21:40 <spaetz> JaMa: not on a box with git ATM
Feb 01 22:21:58 <spaetz> I can do sth tomorrow, but needs to be done? revert the last change?
Feb 01 22:22:20 <zeusone> thrashold: do you use bitbake?
Feb 01 22:22:22 <JaMa> spaetz: so you don't remember why you cleaned all other machines except om-gta02?
Feb 01 22:22:33 <JaMa> spaetz: or maybe I don't see something there..
Feb 01 22:22:55 <thrashold> zeusone: I'm actually currently writing/testing on Debian :) Also my app is pure Python so I simply copy it anyway :)
Feb 01 22:23:05 <JaMa> spaetz: opkg upgrade asked me to merge configs.. so it's ok for expirienced users who know that thay want :)
Feb 01 22:23:31 <zeusone> thrashold: ok :)
Feb 01 22:23:50 <spaetz> I cleaned all machines except gta02?
Feb 01 22:23:53 <spaetz> not me...
Feb 01 22:23:58 <mrmoku> JaMa: I think it was dos1
Feb 01 22:24:12 <spaetz> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak [Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:34:07 +0000]
Feb 01 22:24:16 <JaMa> ahh sure.. it was dos..
Feb 01 22:24:18 <spaetz> :)
Feb 01 22:24:18 <mrmoku> but he removed only the fso2 sections
Feb 01 22:24:27 <mrmoku> (apart from gta02)
Feb 01 22:24:33 <JaMa> spaetz: sorry I checked that commit before that one...
Feb 01 22:24:44 <spaetz> hehe, np :) I was just getting confused
Feb 01 22:25:08 <JaMa> mrmoku: yes and that should be done for gta02 too, because we want fso1 equivalents disable where fso2 should be used
Feb 01 22:25:45 <mrmoku> JaMa: but that was already like that... he just removed the fso2 config parts from frameworkd.conf
Feb 01 22:25:56 <JaMa> but I cannot explain where was frameworkd.conf shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100124-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz coming from
Feb 01 22:26:01 <mrmoku> the disable part should be there...
Feb 01 22:26:09 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: fyi with another router wpa2 seem to work, suppliant says slmething about RSA, i guess it's wpa2 for sure
Feb 01 22:26:21 <spaetz> actually in the bits he deleted, there is no disabled=1
Feb 01 22:26:37 <mrmoku> yep, was just a cleanup
Feb 01 22:26:53 <mrmoku> JaMa: what is wrong in that config?
Feb 01 22:27:03 <JaMa> mrmoku: this file http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=blob;f=frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/om-gta02/frameworkd.conf;h=6167367ed47a9cdd61ee04143c91613be6f9b4b9;hb=HEAD
Feb 01 22:27:30 <JaMa> contains config for ie [fsonetworkd] [fsodevice] etc right?
Feb 01 22:28:56 <mrmoku> yup, which should not have effect anymore... as fso2 daemons look somewhere else
Feb 01 22:29:10 <mrmoku> JaMa: moment will remove that
Feb 01 22:30:44 <JaMa> mrmoku: yes and this file was installed today as gitr244
Feb 01 22:31:15 <mrmoku> JaMa: but should do no harm
Feb 01 22:31:15 <JaMa> mrmoku: but older revision "gitr243" from shr-buildhost was already cleaned no idea from where..
Feb 01 22:31:16 <CIA-47> SHR: 03mok 07shr-themes * rd96ffd9e3f4d 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/om-gta02/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd: remove fso2 config parts for om-gta02 too
Feb 01 22:31:32 <mrmoku> JaMa: ahh, now I get you... hmm strange
Feb 01 22:32:09 <JaMa> mrmoku: maybe it was because of messed gitrNNN
Feb 01 22:32:25 <JaMa> mrmoku: but I don't see even the cleaned file in shr-theme.git history..
Feb 01 22:32:49 <mrmoku> hmm
Feb 01 22:33:06 <mrmoku> anyway....
Feb 01 22:33:07 * mrmoku tired
Feb 01 22:33:15 <mrmoku> TAsn: won't manage to finish it today :/
Feb 01 22:33:25 <JaMa> frameworkd-config-shr_0.9.5.9+gitr1738+76f0b01a6dbd2c517b23792575cea10f3a954999-242+d55005605dc6e86c66b600ddd2b00bf7f313500d-r7.4_om-gta02.ipk this was part of image
Feb 01 22:33:46 <mrmoku> TAsn: and tomorrow I won't have much time probably :(
Feb 01 22:33:56 <JaMa> and quick look at diff seems like it was better version than today's gitr244
Feb 01 22:34:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, will I be able to see it in the weekend? :P
Feb 01 22:34:39 <mrmoku> JaMa: no idea how that would be possible...
Feb 01 22:34:40 <TAsn> if so, that's more than cool :P
Feb 01 22:34:46 <mrmoku> TAsn: well, not missing much
Feb 01 22:35:00 <TAsn> I'm j/k, don't worry.
Feb 01 22:35:07 <mrmoku> :)
Feb 01 22:35:18 <mrmoku> gnight then ;)
Feb 01 22:35:21 <TAsn> night.
Feb 01 22:35:24 <JaMa> mrmoku: maybe its just because whole diff is about moving sections and I cannot see clearly the diff :)
Feb 01 22:35:34 <mrmoku> JaMa: hehe :)
Feb 01 22:35:38 <JaMa> mrmoku: gnight and thanks
Feb 01 22:35:44 <mrmoku> gnight
Feb 01 22:36:29 * JaMa was at work till 22:30 and has to go tomorrow rather soon :/
Feb 01 22:38:09 <[Rui]> why no pin entry dialog? buaa
Feb 01 22:57:54 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: ping
Feb 01 22:58:21 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: continued here ;-)
Feb 01 22:58:59 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: anything wrong with git.om.org?
Feb 01 22:59:09 <Weiss> aha :)
Feb 01 23:00:10 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: shoot a Xray  laser on it! ;-)
Feb 01 23:00:24 <Weiss> FLASH is offline for the summer :(
Feb 01 23:01:16 <DocScrutinizer51> summer aha
Feb 01 23:01:33 <DocScrutinizer51> southern hemisphere ?
Feb 01 23:01:46 <Weiss> nope, it's just going to be offline for a loooong time
Feb 01 23:02:01 <Weiss> until late august/september I think
Feb 01 23:03:11 <DocScrutinizer51> eeeeh
Feb 01 23:20:44 <Weiss> JaMa: ok, thanks. I'll try again tomorrow, and if git.om hasn't come back then I'll use that tarball to get things started
Feb 01 23:21:36 <JaMa> Weiss: you're welcome.. looking forward for your new stuff :)
Feb 01 23:21:41 <Weiss> :)
Feb 01 23:21:48 <Weiss> we REALLY need to sort GTK out somehow :(
Feb 01 23:22:30 <JaMa> GTK?
Feb 01 23:22:40 <JaMa> btw don't forget to check http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32
Feb 01 23:23:05 <JaMa> 0001-DRM-for-platform-devices.patch 0001-glamo-drm-use-dev_set_drvdata-instead-of-setting-dri.patch are needed for successfull port of your gdrm-2.6.31 branch to 2.6.32
Feb 01 23:23:41 <Weiss> yep.. I was going to pull those patches in then start stomping on problems from there
Feb 01 23:23:57 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: let's hope it's not another firmware bug :)
Feb 01 23:25:52 <DocScrutinizer51> wpwrak: huh?
Feb 01 23:28:50 <Weiss> DocScrutinizer51: battery meter reading is accurate according to /sys/bus/platform/devices/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/battery/charge_{now,full}, if that's any help
Feb 01 23:29:26 <DocScrutinizer51> so it's the old hal bug
Feb 01 23:29:46 <DocScrutinizer51> i guess
Feb 01 23:30:39 <DocScrutinizer51> though two full and one nonex bat should be good for 66% at best
Feb 01 23:31:00 <Weiss> ah.. that's not what I meant
Feb 01 23:31:09 <DocScrutinizer51> sure youdon't have gta01bat module loaded?
Feb 01 23:31:12 <Weiss> charge_now/charge_full = what's displayed
Feb 01 23:31:51 <DocScrutinizer51> Weiss: then please rum bq27k-detail
Feb 01 23:34:32 <max_posedon> mickeyl, hi! I think fsodeviced doesn't looking for default config in correct way
Feb 01 23:34:35 <max_posedon> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1007 Jan 31 16:19 /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsodeviced.conf
Feb 01 23:34:53 <max_posedon> but 2010-02-01T23:34:41.649030Z [WARN]  subsystem : No section for fsodevice in configuration file. Not looking for plugins.
Feb 01 23:35:21 <max_posedon> (retry) mickeyl,  hi! I think fsodeviced doesn't looking for default config in correct way
Feb 01 23:35:30 <max_posedon>  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1007 Jan 31 16:19 /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsodeviced.conf
Feb 01 23:35:43 <max_posedon> and "but" message was first for you
Feb 01 23:36:18 <mickeyl> max_posedon: can you give more details?
Feb 01 23:36:28 <mickeyl> i have just reconnected
Feb 01 23:36:47 <max_posedon> I'm running fsodeviced on gentoo, (trying)
Feb 01 23:37:09 <max_posedon> it can't found default config placed at /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsodeviced.conf
Feb 01 23:37:20 <max_posedon> (this is with following GTA02 symlink)
Feb 01 23:37:23 <Weiss> DocScrutinizer51: http://pastebin.de/3663 (I tweaked the script to dump the registers on the FR then processed it on my laptop, because of busybox)
Feb 01 23:37:24 <mickeyl> can you strace and check where it does look?
Feb 01 23:37:51 <mickeyl> do you have the latest libfsobasics?
Feb 01 23:37:57 <mickeyl> this actually implements the conf loading
Feb 01 23:38:15 <max_posedon> yep, give me few mins for installing strace, hm.. with all this "git master" stuff, I'm not sure, I'll recompile
Feb 01 23:38:39 <Weiss> DocScrutinizer51: oh, hang on - it says 100% now
Feb 01 23:39:30 <mickeyl> leviathan: ok, i know now why you recommended mkbootimg
Feb 01 23:39:47 <mickeyl> although fastboot can boot a zImage, it swallows the CMDLINE
Feb 01 23:40:03 <mickeyl> so if you want to give any custom CMDLINE, you _have_ to use the tool :/
Feb 01 23:40:13 <leviathan> yes ;)
Feb 01 23:40:17 <mickeyl> bummer
Feb 01 23:40:19 <leviathan> eeeexactly
Feb 01 23:40:23 <leviathan> :)
Feb 01 23:40:24 <mickeyl> ~lart whoever was responsible for this
Feb 01 23:40:25 * infobot breaks out the Hoover and sucks up whoever was responsible for this
Feb 01 23:47:32 <spaetz> mmmh, testing.
Feb 02 00:01:28 <leviathan> ok
Feb 02 00:01:37 <leviathan> usb gadget is now working as module
Feb 02 00:01:55 <leviathan> just needed some change of the configuration in the kernel
Feb 02 00:02:06 <leviathan> hmm
Feb 02 00:02:12 <leviathan> but wierd thing is
Feb 02 00:02:17 <leviathan> wifi fucks up
Feb 02 00:02:19 <leviathan> strange...
Feb 02 00:08:19 <JaMa> mickeyl: new fsodeviced looks for config file just fine here..
Feb 02 00:09:04 <JaMa> mickeyl, max_posedon: exactly as you described http://pastebin.ca/1774978
Feb 02 00:09:35 <mickeyl> right
Feb 02 00:09:36 <max_posedon> may be I got a old version, 1 sec
Feb 02 00:09:41 <mickeyl> most likely libfsobasics too old
Feb 02 00:09:44 <JaMa> mickeyl: you wanted to test something with fsousaged?
Feb 02 00:10:07 <mickeyl> JaMa: yes, it'd be great if you could give fsousaged master a try
Feb 02 00:10:27 <mickeyl> it has new command queues to ensure serialization of resource commands
Feb 02 00:10:29 <JaMa> mickeyl: it's running
Feb 02 00:10:41 <mickeyl> the critical stuff is suspend/resume
Feb 02 00:10:58 <mickeyl> preferably with the fast kernel
Feb 02 00:11:18 <max_posedon> ok, now all is fine with this part, thanks
Feb 02 00:11:42 * mickeyl does his first tests with devtmpfs
Feb 02 00:11:59 <mickeyl> "look ma, no init" :)
Feb 02 00:12:10 <mickeyl> +required
Feb 02 00:12:41 * DocScrutinizer wonders what kernel version Weiss used when encountering the bat capacity fault
Feb 02 00:14:14 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: "Darling, I shrinked the kids" ?
Feb 02 00:14:47 <mickeyl> somewhat
Feb 02 00:15:07 <mickeyl> i finally got the right mood to start w/ fso-boot
Feb 02 00:15:24 <spaetz> devtmpfs, sweet
Feb 02 00:15:37 <max_posedon> I have little more stupid questions,
Feb 02 00:15:38 <JaMa> mickeyl: here is log http://pastebin.ca/1774987
Feb 02 00:16:08 <mickeyl> 0 resources
Feb 02 00:16:11 <mickeyl> you need to enable some
Feb 02 00:16:12 <max_posedon> I started fsodeviced (from terminal or via mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
Feb 02 00:16:14 <mickeyl> otherwise it's boring :)
Feb 02 00:16:30 <max_posedon> but its logged to stdout not to file as in config
Feb 02 00:16:51 <mickeyl> max_posedon: check the config file again :)
Feb 02 00:16:57 <mickeyl> i'm afraid i swapped that
Feb 02 00:16:59 <DocScrutinizer> dev tmpfs, boooooo! Me wonders wjhat became of mknod
Feb 02 00:17:00 <mickeyl> will fix
Feb 02 00:17:12 <max_posedon> oh, log_to = stderr:colors log_destination = /var/log/fsodeviced.log I see now
Feb 02 00:17:15 <max_posedon> little confusing)
Feb 02 00:17:16 <mickeyl> JaMa: why is your kernel missing the resume node?
Feb 02 00:17:20 <max_posedon> log_to = file 
Feb 02 00:17:21 <max_posedon> yes?
Feb 02 00:17:26 <mickeyl> yes
Feb 02 00:17:33 <max_posedon> thanks)
Feb 02 00:18:10 <max_posedon> and where is correct place to change it according to politics?
Feb 02 00:18:38 <mickeyl> i will change it upstream to suit the most wanted default of distros
Feb 02 00:18:50 <mickeyl> personally i need stderr:colors
Feb 02 00:18:56 <JaMa> mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/1774991 with WiFi resource requested by fsoraw during suspend/resume
Feb 02 00:18:57 <mickeyl> but that does not need to go upstream
Feb 02 00:19:23 <max_posedon> /etc/freesmartphone/fsodeviced.conf with [logging] log_to = file enough?
Feb 02 00:19:44 <mickeyl> JaMa: that looks good (except that missing resume reason)
Feb 02 00:19:46 <JaMa> mickeyl: no idea about resume node which kernel config it could be? do you have config.gz? I'll compare
Feb 02 00:19:55 <mickeyl> JaMa: are you on .32?
Feb 02 00:19:58 <JaMa> yes
Feb 02 00:20:01 <mickeyl> hehe
Feb 02 00:20:04 <mickeyl> perhaps lars moved it
Feb 02 00:20:10 <mickeyl> or _re_moved it
Feb 02 00:20:11 <mickeyl> larsc: ?
Feb 02 00:20:14 <JaMa> 2.6.32.7
Feb 02 00:20:16 <larsc> mickeyl: 
Feb 02 00:20:28 <larsc> ?
Feb 02 00:20:31 <mickeyl> larsc: we're looking for our resume sysfs nodes, do you have any idea?
Feb 02 00:20:43 <larsc> resume sysfs node?
Feb 02 00:20:50 <mickeyl> resume sysfs node
Feb 02 00:20:55 <larsc> resume_reason?
Feb 02 00:20:56 <mickeyl> resume reason
Feb 02 00:21:04 <JaMa> SHR root@gojama ~ $ find /sys/ -name resume_reason
Feb 02 00:21:04 <JaMa> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/resume_reason
Feb 02 00:21:09 <mickeyl> hmm
Feb 02 00:21:11 <mickeyl> used to be 
Feb 02 00:21:14 <larsc> havn't touched it
Feb 02 00:21:14 <mickeyl>  /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason
Feb 02 00:21:22 <JaMa> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason
Feb 02 00:21:38 <mickeyl> hmm, there it is
Feb 02 00:21:48 <mickeyl> why can't it read from it?
Feb 02 00:21:51 <JaMa> isn't it after deprecated sysfs nodes removal?
Feb 02 00:21:52 <mickeyl> can you 'cat' ?
Feb 02 00:22:09 <JaMa> mickeyl: sorry for confusion the second is not result of find..
Feb 02 00:22:13 <JaMa> only first is here
Feb 02 00:22:13 <mickeyl> oh
Feb 02 00:22:15 <mickeyl> ok
Feb 02 00:22:30 <mickeyl> then we need to adjust that again
Feb 02 00:22:40 <leviathan> hmm
Feb 02 00:22:57 <leviathan> mickeyl: nice work with this htcdream shr
Feb 02 00:23:03 <JaMa> iirc weis was checking similar node and it was depending on deprecated-sysfs-paths config option
Feb 02 00:23:05 <leviathan> i modified now your kernel conf
Feb 02 00:23:12 <leviathan> now theres wifi too again
Feb 02 00:23:14 <JaMa> which is disabled now in linux-openmoko.inc iirc
Feb 02 00:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> heard there's TWO resume reasons: general and PMU detail
Feb 02 00:23:26 <mickeyl> leviathan: cool, can you send me a diff?
Feb 02 00:23:28 <leviathan> one thing: never ever use unwind + android drivers
Feb 02 00:23:32 <leviathan> uhhm
Feb 02 00:23:33 <leviathan> yes
Feb 02 00:23:44 <mickeyl> not much fond of android drivers, but
Feb 02 00:23:47 <mickeyl> we need the timed_output
Feb 02 00:23:49 <leviathan> but first I need to test, if still everything is working
Feb 02 00:23:50 <leviathan> :)
Feb 02 00:23:51 <mickeyl> i want my vibrator
Feb 02 00:23:56 <leviathan> hmm
Feb 02 00:23:57 <leviathan> ok
Feb 02 00:24:00 <leviathan> I'll look
Feb 02 00:24:01 <mickeyl> and without wakelocks we don't have smd
Feb 02 00:24:02 <mickeyl> as we found out
Feb 02 00:24:09 <leviathan> ahh, o
Feb 02 00:24:13 <leviathan> np
Feb 02 00:24:16 <leviathan> wakelocks is in
Feb 02 00:24:25 <leviathan> in powermanagment stuff menu
Feb 02 00:24:37 <leviathan> one issue
Feb 02 00:24:50 <leviathan> shouldn't there come something like a pin input
Feb 02 00:24:53 <leviathan> for the sim card
Feb 02 00:25:00 <leviathan> ??
Feb 02 00:25:05 <leviathan> for me nothing
Feb 02 00:25:14 <leviathan> on freerunner it comes
Feb 02 00:25:24 <leviathan> but on htcdream I have to do it over commandline
Feb 02 00:25:27 <leviathan> very strange
Feb 02 00:25:43 <leviathan> means typing pin over ssh
Feb 02 00:25:48 <leviathan> not very user friendly
Feb 02 00:26:31 <mickeyl> sounds like a SHR issue
Feb 02 00:26:38 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Feb 02 00:26:46 <mickeyl> or rather a combination
Feb 02 00:27:00 <mickeyl> ogsmd behaves slightly different wrt. SetAntennaPower on different modems
Feb 02 00:27:06 <mickeyl> that's something i fixed in fsogsmd
Feb 02 00:27:24 <leviathan> ok
Feb 02 00:27:32 <mickeyl> btw.
Feb 02 00:27:36 <mickeyl> i'm missing a device node :)
Feb 02 00:27:41 <leviathan> when will fsogsmd be used by SHR?
Feb 02 00:27:43 <leviathan> hmm?
Feb 02 00:27:44 * DocScrutinizer onders if any of the kernel spoiling devels is going to update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#Resume_Reason et al eventually
Feb 02 00:27:46 <leviathan> which one?
Feb 02 00:27:57 <mickeyl>  the gsm data node is not created
Feb 02 00:28:06 <mickeyl> smd0 and smd27 is there though
Feb 02 00:28:07 <leviathan> strange
Feb 02 00:28:32 <leviathan> uhhm, but I can do phonecalls...
Feb 02 00:28:39 <leviathan> how??
Feb 02 00:28:40 <mickeyl> sure, that's smd0
Feb 02 00:28:45 <leviathan> ah, ok
Feb 02 00:28:53 <mickeyl> control channel is present
Feb 02 00:28:55 <mickeyl> data node is missing
Feb 02 00:28:56 <mickeyl> so no ppp
Feb 02 00:29:02 <leviathan> thought already, it would be para-informatics ;D
Feb 02 00:29:07 <mickeyl> heh
Feb 02 00:29:22 <mickeyl> (i hope we can move SHR to fsogsmd on the FSOSHRCON 2010)
Feb 02 00:29:28 <mickeyl> (whenever this will be)
Feb 02 00:29:48 <leviathan> I hope so too
Feb 02 00:29:56 <mickeyl> reminds me i need to send off that kickoff mail
Feb 02 00:30:22 <leviathan> reminds ME that I need to buy a ticket to brussel
Feb 02 00:30:23 <leviathan> >_<
Feb 02 00:30:37 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: resume reason is one of the few which hasn't changed
Feb 02 00:30:42 <mickeyl> me too...
Feb 02 00:31:08 <larsc> at least not recently
Feb 02 00:32:17 <mickeyl> leviathan: feel free to remove the 'spotlight' and 'flash' from the platform file
Feb 02 00:32:21 <mickeyl> they're not connected
Feb 02 00:32:30 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Feb 02 00:32:45 <leviathan> but perhaps on other devices
Feb 02 00:32:47 <leviathan> ...
Feb 02 00:32:48 <mickeyl> spotlight being a led class device, flash being a timed_output class device
Feb 02 00:32:48 <mickeyl> no
Feb 02 00:32:57 <mickeyl> not being connected on any sold devices
Feb 02 00:33:00 <leviathan> oh, ok
Feb 02 00:33:02 <mickeyl> only develboards
Feb 02 00:33:05 <leviathan> okee
Feb 02 00:35:30 <leviathan> mickeyl: did you see my recipe for wl1251 firmware?
Feb 02 00:35:43 <leviathan> I've sent a mbox to SHR-devel
Feb 02 00:36:33 <mickeyl> yep, looks ok at first glance
Feb 02 00:37:10 <mickeyl> hmm, i can't get the bluetooth out of state 2
Feb 02 00:37:16 <mickeyl> at least not with "echo"
Feb 02 00:37:20 <mickeyl> let me try with ioctls...
Feb 02 00:37:49 <leviathan> ok
Feb 02 00:38:45 <mickeyl> HARDBLOCK true
Feb 02 00:38:54 <mickeyl> something is blocking it w/ hardblock
Feb 02 00:39:04 <leviathan> hmm
Feb 02 00:40:18 <JaMa> mickeyl: can you ack? http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/patches/0001-freesmartphone-bump-SRCREVs-to-HEAD-drop-configs-and.patch
Feb 02 00:40:38 <JaMa> mickeyl: or if you want something more to check first I'll go to sleep instead.. :)
Feb 02 00:40:59 <mickeyl> sleeping is good
Feb 02 00:41:03 <mickeyl> i'm supertired as well
Feb 02 00:41:07 <mickeyl> will look at that tomorrow
Feb 02 00:41:10 <mickeyl> g'night 
Feb 02 00:41:17 <JaMa> ok, thankg gnight
Feb 02 00:46:48 <leviathan> hmm
Feb 02 00:47:06 <leviathan> perhaps it will help, if I just build the whole stuff from scratch this nigh
Feb 02 00:59:57 <thrashold> elementary's spinner works wonderful on my desktop, but is almost unusable on my neo
Feb 02 01:01:56 <thrashold> Trying to spin it with a finger, only pops up the keyboard. It works with a stylus only (but then it jumps from 0 to 59 immediately, not nice for a something that sets seconds :D )
Feb 02 01:04:11 <max_posedon> mickey|zzZZzz, JaMa  fsogsmd Makefile.am SUBDIRS doesn't contains "conf", so it won't install their config
Feb 02 01:04:45 <max_posedon> may be somebody from FSO team awake to fix it right now for me?)
Feb 02 01:04:48 <thrashold> Ah, I got an expensive callback for spinner changed
Feb 02 01:07:47 <JaMa> max_posedon: yes I have it only for fsodeviced and fsousaged
Feb 02 01:09:10 <max_posedon> so, mickey might be fix it tomorroy, plz remind him, if not I)
Feb 02 01:09:31 <JaMa> max_posedon: ok.. I'll
Feb 02 01:21:41 <max_posedon> and kinda same for fso-abyss, shr installs their config manually, yes?
Feb 02 01:24:21 <JaMa> mickey|zzZZzz: rebased for oe.dev but I cornucopia rev should be updated to whatever you fixed those missing conf in SUBDIRS max_posedon noticed http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/1539/
Feb 02 01:24:40 <JaMa> max_posedon: fso-abyss doesn't support it yes.. so it seems in git repo..
Feb 02 01:25:07 <JaMa> max_posedon: but missing conf subdir is missing in more than fsogsmd.. good catch..
Feb 02 01:25:15 <JaMa> sleep() nite!
Feb 02 01:25:39 <max_posedon> night
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