**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 22 02:59:58 2010 Feb 22 07:48:42 www.search2.net Feb 22 13:56:49 hi there Feb 22 13:56:58 http://mobile-times.de/sprecher any interest? :) Feb 22 13:58:37 Serdar: any news on tarball? Feb 22 13:59:24 Q-Master, ah sorry, I forgot this, got many things to do for red cross this weekend Feb 22 13:59:42 ok Feb 22 13:59:51 remember me tonight again I will create a tarball of system dir. Feb 22 14:00:03 or wait Feb 22 14:00:35 you wanted master right? Feb 22 14:07:27 * Q-Master needs a tarball of contents of system.img Feb 22 14:25:27 ~botsnack Feb 22 14:25:27 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Feb 22 15:31:44 Q-Master, my question was: system.img of master or cupcake branch? Feb 22 15:32:16 Serdar: some of the topics sound interesting, but the fee is too much for me Feb 22 15:33:02 mickey|office, for me too :( Feb 22 15:33:11 I would love the android workshop... Feb 22 15:59:30 Q-Master, JesusMcCloud|zZz: Any new issues I should know of? Feb 22 16:00:10 TAsn, haven't encountered any problems Feb 22 16:00:27 sweet. Feb 22 16:00:45 Does anyone else want to become a beta tester before we push it to unstable? Feb 22 16:01:34 TAsn, did u write to shr-user ml about new opimd? (using pisi to synch from sim never worked for me) Feb 22 16:01:46 No Feb 22 16:02:00 i had to synch to google, then synch from googel to vcard, then synch to opimd Feb 22 16:02:16 you can sync google straight to opimd Feb 22 16:02:20 and sim straight to vcard Feb 22 16:02:26 and sim straight to opimd :P Feb 22 16:02:30 TAsn, i know but pisi semms to have issues Feb 22 16:02:44 I haven't sent a mail yet, because it's not yet user ready (actually it is, but not yet official) Feb 22 16:02:45 i had to delete 2 contacts on order for it to work Feb 22 16:03:01 but that are pisi issues Feb 22 16:03:06 JesusMcCloud, The pisi developers don't answer my emails ;( Feb 22 16:03:33 and before sim contacts can be dropped in favor of new opimd, a proper way of importing is needed Feb 22 16:03:50 of course Feb 22 16:04:50 even if its just a button in forst run wizard that runs a dumb skript Feb 22 16:05:18 it's not that simple Feb 22 16:05:29 because sim is not yet ready Feb 22 16:05:34 when wizard is on Feb 22 16:06:25 true... Feb 22 16:06:31 Serdar: system.img Feb 22 16:06:36 TAsn: not yet Feb 22 16:06:44 yet? :P Feb 22 16:06:55 Q-Master, of master or cupcake? Feb 22 16:07:11 TAsn, if you want a pad on the back here ya go: Feb 22 16:07:14 ~praise TAsn Feb 22 16:07:15 All hail TAsn! Feb 22 16:07:24 TAsn, if you want proper testing, let us be sceptical.. Feb 22 16:07:41 Serdar: oops. weekly. think it's cupcake Feb 22 16:07:42 nah, I don't want a pat, I want proper testing and to stop writing in python :P Feb 22 16:09:56 hmmm well fsopimd will take time i guess, so why not rewrite pyphonelog in ca and as part og phoneui? the you won't have to write in python (and i finally dont grow anymore gray hairs while wairing for phonelog to pop up) Feb 22 16:11:58 JesusMcCloud, latest phonelog from git + new opimd Feb 22 16:12:05 means phonelog takes ~10 seconds to load here Feb 22 16:12:16 TAsn, i have it but pygtk on freeruner sucks Feb 22 16:12:17 it's not perfect, but it's a lot better than how it was like :P Feb 22 16:12:23 terribly :( Feb 22 16:14:02 even proting to elm would be a great start Feb 22 16:15:07 ...though prolly redundant Feb 22 16:15:49 TAsn, do you have any idea how correct the wiki instructions for crosscompiling/toolchain are? Feb 22 16:17:19 JesusMcCloud, no Feb 22 16:17:23 I know that I used the toolchain Feb 22 16:17:28 Quite a while ago Feb 22 16:17:32 and it was just fine Feb 22 16:17:36 why don't you use OE? Feb 22 16:17:56 because i dunno jack about it Feb 22 16:19:12 neither do I Feb 22 16:19:15 and from what i saw, it takes too much time to test (time from editng the source to actually having an executable, because of all the stuff bitbake does) Feb 22 16:19:30 i hope someone can prove me wrong Feb 22 16:19:47 I can prove you wrong Feb 22 16:19:50 testing for me means: Feb 22 16:19:57 make, ./app Feb 22 16:20:03 Dev on the computer... Feb 22 16:20:04 :P Feb 22 16:20:23 i like to test under real life conditions Feb 22 16:20:33 especially when it comes to C Feb 22 16:21:19 Nah Feb 22 16:21:26 I only do milestone tests on the moko Feb 22 16:21:30 otherwise, on the pc. Feb 22 16:22:27 are there good instructions on how to set up a tesing enviroment on pc (installign all the stuff that is on fr including fso) Feb 22 16:22:36 yes Feb 22 16:22:50 c applications: Feb 22 16:22:56 ./configure, make, make install Feb 22 16:23:00 python applications Feb 22 16:23:03 python setup.py Feb 22 16:23:03 :P Feb 22 16:23:05 that's about it. Feb 22 16:23:12 As for fso Feb 22 16:23:27 I disable any non-opimd Feb 22 16:23:34 subsystems Feb 22 16:24:15 and the configure skript pullst all the stuff i need? Feb 22 16:24:33 no Feb 22 16:24:37 but it'll say Feb 22 16:24:56 MISSING bla Feb 22 16:25:07 and you'll know you need to install it :P Feb 22 16:25:08 thats what i figured Feb 22 16:27:27 i'd still prefer a toolchain and testin on fr Feb 22 16:27:57 apart from the stuff in the FSO git, you need vala and the development packages of libnl, alsa, dbus, glib, and friends Feb 22 16:28:28 mickey|office, I don't think he cares about testing frameworkd, but just needs something to interact with (opimd) Feb 22 16:28:46 mickey_away, ^ Feb 22 16:28:50 wah Feb 22 16:29:09 stupid auto-completion Feb 22 16:30:08 huh? Feb 22 16:32:30 lol, elm version on my box seems botched... errors in header file Feb 22 16:35:13 waaaah my repos are also broken Feb 22 16:35:22 ...so much for easy start Feb 22 16:46:20 ..fixed (broken package) Feb 22 16:54:58 JesusMcCloud: darn. forgot you prepare the script template for you Feb 22 16:55:11 s/you/to/ Feb 22 16:55:11 DocScrutinizer meant: JesusMcCloud: darn. forgot to prepare the script template for you Feb 22 16:56:54 DocScrutinizer, no hurry, got stuff todo tomorrow and then i need to go to vienna till sunday (today/tonight would've been my day to experiment) Feb 22 16:57:38 i've found a nice library to manipulate and display svgs... Feb 22 16:58:24 sounds good Feb 22 16:58:52 alas we got no svg for the mixer schema afaik Feb 22 16:59:37 otoh we need a few very simple colored lines to overlay the bmp Feb 22 16:59:58 DocScrutinizer, yup and i have no idea which lines to gruop Feb 22 17:00:27 and the lines shoudl match the schematic, so i'll prolly have to redraw it anyways Feb 22 17:00:30 I'll help on that Feb 22 17:00:46 (grouping) Feb 22 17:02:21 DocScrutinizer, so basically if i draw the svg, send it to you you'll group segments? (dont worry i did circuit design and know what the symbols mean) Feb 22 17:02:50 but it must match the skript(s) Feb 22 17:03:17 nah, withthis much background you got, it's easy to tell you what we need Feb 22 17:05:29 first of all we need the little switches in the muxers etc to show the actual setting input[4]---output Feb 22 17:05:57 or input[2] or whatever Feb 22 17:06:09 sec... cheking the schematic Feb 22 17:07:30 well in the nicer schematics we even have a uniform generic switch Feb 22 17:07:53 that is no problem using svg Feb 22 17:08:42 then we like to highlight any function block as soon as powermanagement is supposed to enable that block Feb 22 17:09:28 and third thing are the interconnects between function blocks which eventually need highlighting Feb 22 17:11:10 usually such an interconnect gets highlighted as soon as the pervious function block is enabled, i-e. a function block and the interconnect at FB's outbut are grouped Feb 22 17:11:22 output Feb 22 17:16:41 * JesusMcCloud is drawing an svg now Feb 22 17:16:55 biggest pain will be naming all the objects Feb 22 17:17:09 so let's say the script is named mx (for mixer xchange or whatever) Feb 22 17:17:16 yep Feb 22 17:17:55 you name it according to the register hex address, plus qualifier where needed Feb 22 17:20:19 like: mx query-state 30 Feb 22 17:21:50 DocScrutinizer, switch to private in german Feb 22 17:24:17 fso tracker got spammed... ;/ Feb 22 18:40:44 what is this http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/17b4447c138024e9c69856fc51dd6909.png? Feb 22 18:40:50 -the ? Feb 22 18:41:42 illume2 Feb 22 18:41:55 bumbl: that looks like a shr screenshot Feb 22 18:42:02 illume developmet is not stalled? nice Feb 22 18:42:17 rafa_: yes but illume topbar is different Feb 22 18:47:49 bumbl: well, I checked other png files there. No sure if those are real screenshots or ideas Feb 22 18:48:16 ok Feb 22 18:50:31 bumbl settings , profiles , illume-home eflscrev46350 ;) Feb 22 18:54:16 ciao von_fritz da quanto tempo! Feb 22 18:54:22 von_fritz, posso chiederti alcune cose in pm? Feb 22 18:55:03 pbaxter sure ;) Feb 22 18:57:53 italian? if i judge it correctly? Feb 22 18:59:52 larsc: if you're still around: before I go reworking stuff according to DocScrutinizer's recommendations, do you know offhand why 2.6.32 is so WSoDdy? Feb 22 19:01:12 bumbl, yeah Feb 22 19:01:18 i'm a stupid italian Feb 22 19:03:29 Weiss: no Feb 22 19:03:36 pbaxter: bah, italy rocks - good food, good looking women, emotional people Feb 22 19:03:41 bahh, not stupid! Feb 22 19:03:52 mokonians rock! Feb 22 19:04:06 bumbl, i prefer nordic people such as swedish finnish or also german! Feb 22 19:04:32 spaetz, but why mokkonians rock? Feb 22 19:04:38 ;) - pale, blond and blue eyes Feb 22 19:05:01 we are only people trying to make our mokos working since 3 years...and we are happy they we've not finished! Feb 22 19:05:02 because we aree smart aand value freedom Feb 22 19:05:12 spaetz, my definition is better! Feb 22 19:05:24 pbaxter, hehe true Feb 22 19:05:25 we are happy that we've not finished Feb 22 19:05:51 bumbl, but i like the caracther of south america people Feb 22 19:05:57 and we are happy when we successfully make a phone call Feb 22 19:07:09 spaetz, yes! Feb 22 19:08:15 pbaxter: that would mean a german who migrated to south america - historically seen not the best option i would say Feb 22 19:08:36 spaetz: oh yes we are happy Feb 22 19:08:36 bumbl, historically they are nazist! Feb 22 19:08:51 pbaxter: yep that's what i meant Feb 22 19:08:56 bumbl, spaetz, i'm having my dinner Feb 22 19:09:04 happy to talk with both you! Feb 22 19:09:07 bye for now! Feb 22 19:09:10 spaetz: we are even happier when we are able to send and receive sms! Feb 22 19:09:16 bon appetit Feb 22 19:09:22 hehe true Feb 22 19:11:05 we reinvented plug & pray to call & pray, sms & pray, upgrade & pray - the neo should be considered a spiritually essential object Feb 22 19:13:07 :-) Feb 22 19:13:29 but the neo is the most robust phone i ever had Feb 22 19:13:45 not to forget suspend & pray Feb 22 19:14:02 * mickeyl chuckles Feb 22 19:14:09 yes, I like its ice hockey puck-like robustness Feb 22 19:14:32 - and i owned an old nokia stone - you could throw it anywhere (out of anger, boredom,...) and it survives Feb 22 19:14:37 spaetz: haha Feb 22 19:15:04 it allways reminds me of an ice hockey puck Feb 22 19:15:56 yeah when i get myself a new phone this year i want to try how good it works as an actual hockey puck Feb 22 19:16:14 actually having gps, wlan and accels, tv stations shozld be happy to use it as puck Feb 22 19:16:33 hehe lot's of interesting data Feb 22 19:16:34 it could be used to mark the posittion on tv.... Feb 22 19:16:48 or speed data, yes Feb 22 19:16:58 but until then - it flies really aerodynamically through a room ;p Feb 22 19:17:10 :-) Feb 22 19:22:04 mickeyl: how is the freesmartphone effort on the palm pre going? and more importantly: do you know is it possible to buy a pre plus in the eu? Feb 22 19:22:33 bumbl: AFAIK there's not even a GSM version of the Pre Plus out Feb 22 19:22:36 so you would not want to buy it Feb 22 19:22:47 FSO effort on the palm pre is continuing with success Feb 22 19:23:10 we had the first results with talking to the modem Feb 22 19:23:16 fsogsmd integration has started Feb 22 19:23:21 cool Feb 22 19:23:22 and we have a code sprint first week of march Feb 22 19:23:32 so all in all I'm very confident this will be a supported platform 2010 Feb 22 19:25:20 hmm why does only blackberry provide "one standard to rule them all devices" which are able to talk on all phone networks (as you are able to set the frequency through firmware) Feb 22 19:31:52 GNUtoo: I've got touchscreen working again Feb 22 19:31:59 with SHR and xf86-video-msm Feb 22 19:32:04 its very nice ;) Feb 22 19:32:12 especially the graphic performance Feb 22 19:32:20 mickeyl: its faster then fbdev Feb 22 19:32:20 leviathan, ok still gtk problems? Feb 22 19:32:24 uhm Feb 22 19:32:26 nope Feb 22 19:32:28 wow Feb 22 19:32:31 I'll update Feb 22 19:32:32 resolution also seems perfect Feb 22 19:32:34 ^^ Feb 22 19:32:36 uhhm Feb 22 19:32:38 wait Feb 22 19:32:38 leviathan: awesome work! Feb 22 19:32:40 which kernel version? Feb 22 19:32:46 yo mrmoku Feb 22 19:32:50 wasnt a matter of kernel Feb 22 19:32:57 was a matter of xorg.conf Feb 22 19:32:59 ;D Feb 22 19:33:03 leviathan, for gtk? Feb 22 19:33:08 uhm jos Feb 22 19:33:11 joa Feb 22 19:33:21 because for touchscreen I know....I was the one who pasted xorg.conf Feb 22 19:33:24 you have to send core events to get it work Feb 22 19:33:34 it now works Feb 22 19:33:37 ok Feb 22 19:34:05 do you do virtyal yres *2 or not? Feb 22 19:34:25 uhhm Feb 22 19:34:26 not Feb 22 19:34:34 this patch is already in our branch ;) Feb 22 19:35:00 ok I'll look Feb 22 19:35:11 I need to update the xorg.conf and update the packages Feb 22 19:35:12 but I meant re-activate the *2 Feb 22 19:35:14 ok Feb 22 19:35:22 I'll wait then Feb 22 19:37:26 mickeyl: its even faster then fbdev Feb 22 19:37:38 glad to hear Feb 22 19:37:42 you now haven't ANY struggeling while window open Feb 22 19:37:44 i guess i should launch it then Feb 22 19:37:49 jup Feb 22 19:37:57 I'm updating atm the xorg conf Feb 22 19:38:00 ok Feb 22 19:38:15 /etc/X11/Xserver also needs to be told to start Xorg Feb 22 19:38:40 leviathan, that's easy Feb 22 19:38:46 yes Feb 22 19:38:48 :) Feb 22 19:38:57 but I must build a package Feb 22 19:39:05 I should do it and commit it for my bug device too (/etc/X11/Xserver) Feb 22 19:39:07 else everyone needs to do it himself Feb 22 19:39:16 or maybe we need a general xorg approach Feb 22 19:39:34 I prefer the general approach Feb 22 19:39:37 any news wrt. the leaking audmgr_rpc? Feb 22 19:39:56 mickeyl, no I didn't have much time....is it our priority right now? Feb 22 19:40:06 no Feb 22 19:40:09 ok Feb 22 19:40:14 what is our priority then? Feb 22 19:40:15 i can live with that Feb 22 19:40:21 i'd say fixing alsa routing Feb 22 19:40:25 ok Feb 22 19:40:39 and then getting the rest of the peripherals up and running Feb 22 19:40:51 mickeyl, how do you want alsa routing to look like? Feb 22 19:40:59 because there are 3 approach: Feb 22 19:41:01 GNUtoo: wow Feb 22 19:41:02 leviathan's approach Feb 22 19:41:07 vagalume is so fucked up Feb 22 19:41:14 why? Feb 22 19:41:18 JesusMcCloud|afk: please create a unique id (timestamp or sth) before triggering the refresh which in turn calls all the state_queries. And send this timestamp with each query to make clear they all are one bunch for the same state. I need this to optimize Feb 22 19:41:22 leviathan, you just told me that gtk apps worked Feb 22 19:41:25 GNUtoo: is that this gtk issue you told me? Feb 22 19:41:29 uhhm Feb 22 19:41:35 I didnt know you mean this Feb 22 19:41:43 try the browser Feb 22 19:41:44 I ment input and so Feb 22 19:41:57 for input it's a mather of xorg.conf Feb 22 19:42:04 yes Feb 22 19:42:04 :((((((((((( Feb 22 19:42:04 for gtk Feb 22 19:42:07 thats fixed Feb 22 19:42:11 ok Feb 22 19:42:13 but not this buffer issue Feb 22 19:42:14 >_< Feb 22 19:42:18 thats kernel space Feb 22 19:42:44 I'll look Feb 22 19:42:45 I don't know....we should look Feb 22 19:42:49 yes Feb 22 19:43:32 leviathan, maybe I've an idea...try to flip fbdev Feb 22 19:44:38 JesusMcCloud|afk: so: mx query R2VOL Feb 22 19:44:53 GNUtoo: flip? Feb 22 19:45:08 yes Feb 22 19:45:16 it seem that it's a resolution problem Feb 22 19:45:33 anyway for alsa: mickeyl and leviathan do you have the bass filter control of openmoko present Feb 22 19:45:34 ? Feb 22 19:45:43 we could design routing like that Feb 22 19:45:45 no? Feb 22 19:46:21 is that a switch? Feb 22 19:46:36 let us go one step back Feb 22 19:46:51 before we can talk about how to model it the best way, let's talk about the hardware capabilities Feb 22 19:47:18 uhm Feb 22 19:47:20 its fast Feb 22 19:47:22 very fast Feb 22 19:47:23 like, which signals can we actually mix, and which paths are actually exclusive Feb 22 19:47:27 the effects are awsome Feb 22 19:47:34 I tried different desktops Feb 22 19:47:36 opie, shr Feb 22 19:47:42 all wonderfull Feb 22 19:54:25 wow Feb 22 19:54:30 mokonnect Feb 22 19:54:39 you should try this effects ;D Feb 22 19:54:42 mom Feb 22 19:54:44 I'll upload Feb 22 19:55:06 * PaulFertser 's green with envy Feb 22 19:55:23 PaulFertser, lol....come and join us Feb 22 19:55:39 because we definitely need some manpower Feb 22 19:56:04 jup Feb 22 19:56:33 I've got nearly iPhone feeling by using it Feb 22 19:56:40 leviathan: what effects? Feb 22 19:56:41 why didnt android use this power?? Feb 22 19:56:46 uhm sliding Feb 22 19:56:58 iPhone effects Feb 22 19:57:11 this wobbly up and down if drawning the list too far Feb 22 19:57:16 like gummy Feb 22 19:57:29 its a really intuitive usage Feb 22 19:57:44 and I dont have to wait until it load as much as on my freerunner Feb 22 19:57:49 zack and there it is :D Feb 22 19:58:02 uhm english its zap Feb 22 19:58:05 well, if only i had a infinite amount of money, i would buy palm pre and help you ;) Feb 22 19:58:17 uhm palm pre? Feb 22 19:58:23 dos1: its htcdream :) Feb 22 19:58:25 oh Feb 22 19:58:28 so htc dream Feb 22 19:58:29 ;D Feb 22 19:58:34 (well, both ;D) Feb 22 19:58:39 but palmpre with shr would also be nice Feb 22 19:58:45 and also on iphone Feb 22 19:58:47 on n900 Feb 22 19:58:52 on EVERY device Feb 22 19:58:54 wuahaha Feb 22 19:59:01 ;) Feb 22 19:59:08 leviathan, palm pre has a rouchscreen issue Feb 22 19:59:09 ^^ Feb 22 19:59:15 okee Feb 22 19:59:17 *touchscreen Feb 22 19:59:47 GNUtoo: which issue? Feb 22 19:59:59 dos1, touchscreen need to be decoded Feb 22 20:00:15 hmm Feb 22 20:00:16 it feed a strange thing to userspace Feb 22 20:00:52 http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F#Touchscreen Feb 22 20:02:14 back to the alsa question? Feb 22 20:02:18 ok Feb 22 20:02:31 so, which signals can we actually mix, and which paths are actually exclusive Feb 22 20:02:38 once we know that we know how to map it Feb 22 20:02:43 ok Feb 22 20:02:53 I am in the favor of not mixing them Feb 22 20:02:54 if we can mix signals, we want volume control and mute controls Feb 22 20:03:02 if we can't mix, we want switches Feb 22 20:03:27 ok Feb 22 20:03:42 what kind of switches...that was my question Feb 22 20:03:42 :) fso2 is finished :) Feb 22 20:03:55 at least that's what recipe command says :) Feb 22 20:04:06 s/command/comment/ Feb 22 20:04:07 JaMa meant: at least that's what recipe comment says :) Feb 22 20:05:09 iirc alsa provides multi-state switches Feb 22 20:05:16 like radio buttons Feb 22 20:05:19 chose one of several Feb 22 20:05:30 but... Feb 22 20:05:42 if the hardware allows mixing several sources, why not mix? Feb 22 20:05:48 Should I add totaly mute function? Feb 22 20:05:55 hmm Feb 22 20:06:11 uhm and mixing Feb 22 20:06:13 also no problem Feb 22 20:06:20 i'm in favour of mapping what the hardware can do to alsa Feb 22 20:06:25 not crippling arbitrary Feb 22 20:06:29 oh Feb 22 20:06:30 ok Feb 22 20:06:35 yes, some configs makes no sense, but that's userland's problem Feb 22 20:06:40 IMO :) Feb 22 20:07:56 GNUtoo: the graphicsbuffer is not refreshed correctly Feb 22 20:08:06 the refresh thread seems to have some glitches Feb 22 20:08:22 which now are appearing Feb 22 20:08:33 leviathan, that was one of the possibility I thought about yesterday night,why I thought this was that some part were refreshed and some part no Feb 22 20:08:34 i'd assume the refresh thread is not necessary at all when you use the superspecial msm video driver Feb 22 20:08:50 mhh Feb 22 20:08:52 mickeyl, it's necessary....it makes some ioctl for refreshing Feb 22 20:08:57 yes Feb 22 20:09:01 we did not implement theses ioctl Feb 22 20:09:13 codeaurora implemented a different kind of refresher Feb 22 20:09:16 so our works Feb 22 20:09:21 but not fully with the driver Feb 22 20:09:50 leviathan, what made me think it was the refresher was the touchscreen calibration program Feb 22 20:10:05 leviathan, other things make me thing it's related to the resolution: Feb 22 20:10:25 when you launch midori in xorg without enlightenment Feb 22 20:10:33 you have a different screen layout Feb 22 20:10:54 also only left part is displayed in the touchscreen calibration program Feb 22 20:11:07 yes Feb 22 20:11:21 mickeyl, so we should try to crash the amss? Feb 22 20:11:31 what?? Feb 22 20:11:33 to see if it realy crashes? Feb 22 20:11:48 wait wait wait Feb 22 20:11:51 s/amss/adsp Feb 22 20:11:59