**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 18 02:59:56 2010 Mar 18 03:30:49 lindi-: you know FSO framework is doing this since ages now? Mar 18 04:34:26 Good day all , can .ipa be installed on shr ? Mar 18 06:13:55 moin Mar 18 06:24:02 playyaWorking: moin Mar 18 06:25:08 moin Mar 18 06:47:05 mickey|tv: you mentioned this Mar 18 06:47:06 02:13 < hhartz> by the way, come to #qt-qml if you're interested in the DeclarativeUI offering in Qt and the QML language Mar 18 07:31:57 why is my FR nearly always fucked up after a night of nothing? Mar 18 07:32:25 sometimes, the blue LED behind the power button won't turn off until I reboot... Mar 18 07:33:15 sometimes, suspend won't suspend for five minutes, and when I try to power off, I get told there's already an operation in progress, so I need to open a terminal and run "halt"... Mar 18 08:15:27 does anyone know which file (shr-testing) controls the display dimmimg? Mar 18 08:15:29 /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsodeviced.conf Mar 18 08:15:31 or Mar 18 08:15:49 /etc/phonefsod.conf Mar 18 08:24:38 JaMa, I wanted (not sure if I have) to send you an email about some patches someone sent to ML, are they there? Mar 18 08:34:46 BillK: good question. If you find out, let me know Mar 18 08:34:54 so I can disable it in shr-testing Mar 18 08:35:04 I am quite annoyed by it. Mar 18 08:36:06 TAsn: I've seen it first time in e-mail from you.. Mar 18 08:36:18 JaMa, :P Mar 18 08:36:19 weird. Mar 18 08:36:29 JaMa, good thing I forwarded it then . Mar 18 08:36:29 TAsn: so I guess that nobody applied them Mar 18 08:36:40 mind applying it? Mar 18 08:36:40 TAsn: which ML it was? Mar 18 08:36:54 not today, but I'll Mar 18 08:36:57 (I'm not sure if it should be GTA01 only or works with both though, you should better contact him) Mar 18 08:37:08 i think shr-user Mar 18 08:37:13 sec will verify Mar 18 08:37:32 yeah, user Mar 18 08:37:39 yeah.. I don't like that invert in xorg.conf (as it should be set automaticaly by xinput_calibrator Mar 18 08:37:55 I'll check if it's in my junk folder Mar 18 08:39:04 spaetzAway: for info, updated from broken testing this morning and it seems to work ok - didnt fiddle with conatcts yet tho. Mar 18 08:39:26 ok, at least *some* improvement then... Mar 18 08:39:42 same here, didn't check contacts in the latest version... Mar 18 08:40:00 but I will cherry-pick revisions very carefully from here on... Mar 18 08:53:13 DocScrutinizer51: frameworkd is not using UBX-UPLOAD afaik Mar 18 08:54:15 DocScrutinizer51: they use AID-ALM Mar 18 08:55:43 DocScrutinizer51: with UBX-UPLOAD I managed to download 2M of binary data that includes things like "Exception 0x%08lX was trapped !" Mar 18 09:02:53 mrmoku: i talked to raster yesterday. He said that items added to a genlist are queued and then really added to the list when the system has nothing to do... Mar 18 09:03:14 yup Mar 18 09:03:36 because of that my loading screen stops before any item is shown Mar 18 09:05:06 Heinervdm: you should add them in bunches of 3-5 maybe Mar 18 09:05:20 or even just one at a time Mar 18 09:06:09 mrmoku: tried that, added one, then sleep of 0.1 seconds but still they were showen after the loading sreen finished Mar 18 09:06:36 raster was saying that sleeps are evil as not even the screen updates during that time. Mar 18 09:06:36 Heinervdm: sleeping won't help Mar 18 09:06:46 this is the last thing I read before *I* slept... Mar 18 09:06:51 Heinervdm: you have to exit your callback Mar 18 09:07:00 and schedule the next go with g_timer_add Mar 18 09:07:24 mrmoku: oh Mar 18 09:07:50 or explicitelly make it process idle events between too Mar 18 09:07:55 I think there is something for that too Mar 18 09:09:51 mrmoku: it needs to have to possibility to get back to the mailoop inbetween, right? Mar 18 09:10:03 mainloop Mar 18 09:10:30 i will try sth else first Mar 18 09:10:50 Heinervdm: try g_main_context_iteration(NULL, FALSE); Mar 18 09:11:35 mrmoku: within that for loop? Mar 18 09:11:44 yup Mar 18 09:15:07 shit... new laptop hit the office... and wifey is shopping, so I can't go and pick it up :/ Mar 18 09:16:45 hehe Mar 18 09:20:19 ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB] Mar 18 09:20:35 ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB Mar 18 09:20:37 hmm... #openmoko-cdevel-bb is The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash bulletin board. (see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-help) - - - this bot keeps IRC chanlogs, see ~logs - - - livelogs at http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog are dead :-( - - - extra extra! hackable:1 rev5 is out ! - - - Recommended URLs and channels: see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2010-03-16 19:18 UTC]: SHR buildhost is up again Mar 18 09:20:38 ok... she's back... bbl :) Mar 18 09:23:32 DocScrutinizer51: the live and pervious 24h (UTM) at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt are working again Mar 18 09:24:40 heh Mar 18 09:27:47 sorry, I don't see thet Mar 18 09:29:02 duh, you're right Mar 18 09:32:16 jl_gene: you could do me a favour and see if you manage to update ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB Mar 18 09:33:14 or anybody else who feels in the mood Mar 18 09:34:27 Hey, I need CSS wizards. Currently my opkg repo site looks like this: http://opkg-repo.org/. But I want to theme it more SHR like. I've experimented with http://django.sspaeth.de/ but would appreciate help... Mar 18 09:34:54 1) I am no artist, 2) I lack the time to do website theming. Mar 18 09:41:05 ~forget #openmoko-cdevel-BB Mar 18 09:41:06 DocScrutinizer: i forgot #openmoko-cdevel-bb Mar 18 09:44:28 ~openmoko-cdevel-BB is The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash bulletin board. (see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-help) - - - this bot keeps IRC chanlogs, see ~logs - - - livelogs at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt - - - extra extra! hackable:1 rev5 is out ! - - - Recommended URLs and channels: see ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2010-03-18 09:42 UTC]: We got live logs back, seems there's been a URL issue Mar 18 09:44:29 DocScrutinizer: okay Mar 18 09:44:47 ~log Mar 18 09:44:48 extra, extra, read all about it, log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Mar 18 09:45:05 DocScrutinizer: if GPS could wake the system up it would be quite interesting to run code on the GPS "chip" :) Mar 18 09:45:30 hmmhmm Mar 18 09:46:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders which noob ever introduced the wrong URL for livelogs into topic Mar 18 09:48:22 probably the noob was DocScrutinizer Mar 18 09:49:02 though ~log is also my creation, so I wonder... Mar 18 09:49:49 ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL Mar 18 09:49:50 rumour has it, #openmoko-cdevel-bb-rl is Recommended Links: SHR: http://shr-project.org http://video.fosdem.org/2010/ - - - Recommended IRC channels (freenode): #hackable1 #openmoko-debian #qtmoko #android-on-freerunner #paroli CIA notifications in #freesmartphone.org Mar 18 09:50:04 ~forget #openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL Mar 18 09:50:04 DocScrutinizer: i forgot #openmoko-cdevel-bb-rl Mar 18 09:50:54 ~#openmoko-cdevel-BB-RL is Recommended Links: SHR: http://shr-project.org http://video.fosdem.org/2010/ - - - Recommended IRC channels (freenode): #hackable1 #openmoko-debian #qtmoko #android-on-freerunner #paroli CIA notifications in #freesmartphone.org Mar 18 09:50:55 DocScrutinizer: okay Mar 18 09:53:57 lindi-: seems I suggested exactly that quite some months (years? ;-) ago Mar 18 09:54:16 lindi-: iirc it should work, for the SoC side Mar 18 09:55:32 DocScrutinizer: what should work exactly? wakeup? Mar 18 09:56:09 yep, I think so - wild recalling out of the fog Mar 18 09:56:47 u-blox advertises an SDK for the chip for developing custom applications on top of it Mar 18 09:56:54 but of course its all proprietary stuff Mar 18 09:56:56 sorry, not yet fully awake. Otherwise I would check back with schem quickly Mar 18 09:57:00 anyone here having frameworkd segfaulting after opkg upgrade? Mar 18 09:59:31 isn't frameworkd python? Is your python interpreter crashing? Mar 18 10:00:15 yeah well there's no backtrace and nothing in the logs so it is really fubar here... Mar 18 10:01:34 DocScrutinizer: " There is a signal EXTINT0 comes out of the GPS Mar 18 10:01:34 unit, but it doesn't go into one of the wake-capable pins on this EINT Mar 18 10:01:34 bus, it ends up on GPB8. Mar 18 10:01:44 " -- http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg07657.html Mar 18 10:01:59 :-S Mar 18 10:04:21 UBX specs only allow me to use that pin as a time source for the GPS chip Mar 18 10:06:00 DocScrutinizer: http://www.prochild.co.kr/board/files/tb_6/ANTARIS_SCKit.pdf Mar 18 10:08:00 the screenshots reveal that quite a lot would be possible Mar 18 10:08:01 ~lart new opim Mar 18 10:08:02 * apt resizes new opim's terminal to 40x24 Mar 18 10:08:10 WAAAAAAAHRG Mar 18 10:08:21 ~ping TAsn Mar 18 10:08:22 pong TAsn Mar 18 10:08:28 TAsn, ping Mar 18 10:09:35 prochild, sounds like an orphanage Mar 18 10:09:57 TAsn, you might want to check back if this is correct, but it seems like an mms causes frameworkd to crash... that badly that nothing is in the logs and no backtrace is available ANYWHERE! Mar 18 10:09:58 JesusMcCloud, pong Mar 18 10:10:59 JesusMcCloud, and even after a restart it doesn't work? (trying to debug) Mar 18 10:11:09 *crashes when you open messages app Mar 18 10:11:16 TAsn, restartng or whatever doesnt work Mar 18 10:11:19 lindi-: I doubt FR has ATR0620 Mar 18 10:11:30 nothign works, no backtraces, no logs no nothing Mar 18 10:11:35 JesusMcCloud, sweet :P Mar 18 10:11:45 JesusMcCloud, try running from terminal (ssh) Mar 18 10:11:58 and see if it pops an exception Mar 18 10:12:06 TAsn, whaddy think i did yesterday night for 1 hour? Mar 18 10:12:17 and still nothing? Mar 18 10:12:21 nope Mar 18 10:12:45 just erreos that opim service doesnt exist, because the whole frameworkd crashes Mar 18 10:13:02 ..well it just vanishes, no logs, no nothing, nowhere Mar 18 10:13:21 fsogsmd or ogsmd? Mar 18 10:13:31 whats current unstable using Mar 18 10:13:33 ? Mar 18 10:13:38 ogsmd iirc Mar 18 10:13:57 (using my backed-up pim.db made everythign work again...) Mar 18 10:14:03 (i.e ogsmd unless we switched while I was away) Mar 18 10:14:11 JesusMcCloud, ok, so it is stored Mar 18 10:14:16 yup Mar 18 10:14:19 JesusMcCloud, mind sending me your broken pim.db? Mar 18 10:14:29 as 'This is a binary message oh, wait Mar 18 10:14:54 it saves "this is a binary message" ? Mar 18 10:14:58 yup Mar 18 10:15:03 and even so it doesn't work? Mar 18 10:15:42 when listing sms using opimd-cli it lists all smsm to a ceratain point and then fso crashes completely Mar 18 10:15:56 brb Mar 18 10:16:01 which part of FSO? Mar 18 10:16:39 mickey|office, probably opim Mar 18 10:17:02 JesusMcCloud, at what point? :P Mar 18 10:17:16 DocScrutinizer: the firmware has "ANTARIS ATR062x HW %s" Mar 18 10:19:47 TAsn, at an earlier point (an smsm that was displayed just fine, that i got 3 days a go or so) Mar 18 10:20:20 JesusMcCloud, as I said, I really need (prefer having) your pim.db Mar 18 10:20:26 if you want, I can explain how to censor numbers Mar 18 10:20:42 and delete contacts or whatever Mar 18 10:21:02 TAsn, i'll email it to you.. since you already got all my contacts ... Mar 18 10:21:39 :P Mar 18 10:21:56 I don't think I have them anymore Mar 18 10:21:58 set to stosb email Mar 18 10:22:07 *sent Mar 18 10:22:18 thanks. Mar 18 10:22:39 TAsn, try sending yourself an mms from some webservice... Mar 18 10:23:03 JesusMcCloud, I don't get mms Mar 18 10:23:07 I get links from orange Mar 18 10:23:17 hmmm Mar 18 10:23:25 saying my phone doesn't support mms and therefore I can get it from the webaccess service if I want to Mar 18 10:23:56 well the mms i got allegedly contained only 1 jpeg and no text Mar 18 10:24:38 i c Mar 18 10:26:35 TAsn, put my pim.de on your phone and restart frameworkd... you'll be amazed about all the stuff just vanishing... Mar 18 10:26:57 JesusMcCloud, they don't vanish Mar 18 10:27:08 framework crashes before reporting anything Mar 18 10:27:27 it is the same to me because i have no logs to get any clues... Mar 18 10:27:39 i had to guess who sent me what and phone around to get to the solution Mar 18 10:29:09 TAsn, i got ~5minutes left before i need to go back to the university, so if you need anything else, make it quick... Mar 18 10:29:23 I am doing something else :( Mar 18 10:31:44 well i'm off to listen to that boring stuff that old hag is about to tell me... Mar 18 10:49:45 lindi-: yeah, it's a pitty. You could consider to use /USB_OC (a *completely* useless path/signal) and hook it up to any convenient output of AR0635 Mar 18 10:52:32 freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * rb48c8852d4c3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Fixed a couple of typos in GetMultipleFields Mar 18 10:53:33 JesusMcCloud|off, I can see what's wrong, I just don't get why it's wrong. Mar 18 10:53:34 sec... Mar 18 10:56:35 ok, I found what may be wrong Mar 18 10:58:27 mickey|office, ping Mar 18 11:02:32 lindi-: ([2010-03-18 11:04:21] UBX specs only allow me to use that pin as a time source for the GPS chip) you're sure about that? The pin is marked dual-use P9/EXTINT0. P9 to me sounds like a GPIO Mar 18 11:03:34 btw same for P2/BOOT_MODE which is accessable on TP7604 Mar 18 11:05:33 as well as P20/TIMEPULSE/SCK2 -> H-TP7603 Mar 18 11:06:36 * DocScrutinizer wonders what the friggin "H-" might mean Mar 18 11:07:13 hidden, help, headless... ? Hamuk? Mar 18 11:08:07 DocScrutinizer: but the specs do not say anything about using it as output Mar 18 11:08:46 for P2/P9/P20 they don't? Mar 18 11:08:59 DocScrutinizer: UBX spec does not say anything about those, they are in some other spec : Mar 18 11:09:02 freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * rdc122306e2be 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/db_handler.py: opimd: used the wrong variable in the if, and that caused a wacky behavior with fields with more than 2 values. Mar 18 11:09:04 JesusMcCloud|off, fixed. Mar 18 11:09:10 JaMa, please rebuild frameworkd. Mar 18 11:09:34 lindi-: what's the use of this "timesource" ? Mar 18 11:10:17 DocScrutinizer: no idea, it only says "Timemark Input Source" Mar 18 11:10:35 lindi-: I mean, TPE EE has hooked it to a SoC-GPIO, not any CLK-32K or anything Mar 18 11:10:50 UUHH Mar 18 11:11:46 probably to insert a special mark line into NMEA, to get a "fix" on a very dedicated point in time Mar 18 11:11:54 DocScrutinizer: i need a license key to query time mode settings Mar 18 11:12:11 errr, WHAT? Mar 18 11:12:13 TAsn: buildhost has after last reboot broken ram again :/, but I'll try :) Mar 18 11:12:15 mickey|office, is there a reason why ogsmd sends binary data as a list of "ascii" values and not just a dump in a string/whatever? Mar 18 11:12:20 JaMa, sucks :P Mar 18 11:12:50 SHR: 03zimmermann 07libphone-ui-shr * r283fdcc30cbc 10/ (data/sim-manager.edc src/view/sim-manager-view.c): sim-manager: fix loading screen Mar 18 11:12:52 DocScrutinizer: yep the CFG-LIC command sends a 12-byte license key Mar 18 11:13:05 WTF!? Mar 18 11:13:14 TAsn: yes.. replace is planned for tomorrow (hopefully) Mar 18 11:13:21 DocScrutinizer: it's required for some of the commands to work Mar 18 11:13:54 TAsn: which kind of binary data do you mean? Mar 18 11:13:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if OM owns that key Mar 18 11:14:28 mickey|office, (a(int):data) = If alphabet is "binary" the userdata is stored in this field Mar 18 11:14:33 * lindi- wonders if OM could grep for the key in the firmware image Mar 18 11:14:35 from the ogsmd api specs Mar 18 11:14:45 since I already have the firmware image i'd only need to know offset :) Mar 18 11:14:51 TAsn: which call are we talking about? Mar 18 11:14:52 lindi-: aiui we don't have the FW image Mar 18 11:15:05 IncomingMessage signal Mar 18 11:15:10 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.html;hb=HEAD#IncomingMessage Mar 18 11:15:45 lindi-: the chip comes with FW preprogrammed Mar 18 11:16:06 DocScrutinizer: UPD-UPLOAD command let me upload it Mar 18 11:16:10 mickey|office, and btw, what is this user-data? Mar 18 11:16:24 DocScrutinizer: it's 2M and looks like ARM code Mar 18 11:17:15 lindi-: aiui only the user extensions? Anyway, as mentioned above, I never heard of OM posessing any file with UBlox firmware Mar 18 11:17:22 TAsn: can't use strings for blobs on dbus, since they could contain illegal 0 characters Mar 18 11:17:57 lindi-: so you're walking *very* thin ice - take care not to brick your GPS Mar 18 11:18:02 TAsn: userdata is the actual payload when sending binary sms Mar 18 11:18:09 DocScrutinizer: hard to say what it is Mar 18 11:18:17 mickey|office, I figured it has something to do with that, but still, maybe escaping values (so you'd only need an eval or something) would have been better Mar 18 11:18:18 TAsn: fwiw, i'm going to simplify this API in fsogsmd Mar 18 11:18:33 mickey|office, good :P Mar 18 11:18:40 DocScrutinizer: me walking on thin ice? people are shipping distros where normal users can send these commands to gps over dbus :) Mar 18 11:18:57 mickey|office, isn't it possible to send a "binary" in dbus? Mar 18 11:18:59 err huh? Mar 18 11:19:12 DocScrutinizer: (frameworkd ogpsd) Mar 18 11:20:04 DocScrutinizer: i have not tested writing to memory but if it works then it's pretty easy to brick the device indeed from userland as a regular user Mar 18 11:20:10 lindi-: I honestly doubt it's *such* easy to flash random shit to the AR0635 and thus bricking it by erasing the original firmware Mar 18 11:21:42 for sure I'd expect either a checksum over the whole blob which has to match for the chip to flash it to its storage, or you need above mentioned key or something similar Mar 18 11:21:55 but I never looked into these specs Mar 18 11:22:16 mickey|office, I just read in wikipedia that: If so, the content is extracted and sent to a temporary storage server with an HTTP front-end. An SMS "control message" containing the URL of the content is then sent to the recipient's handset to trigger the receiver's WAP browser to open and receive the content from the embedded URL. Mar 18 11:22:43 mickey|office, so is the payload the actual binary data received from the wap server, or just the address encoded? Mar 18 11:22:53 the address Mar 18 11:23:06 if you want MMS, then fsogsmd would need to do more Mar 18 11:23:11 such as, downloading the actual message Mar 18 11:23:13 decoding it Mar 18 11:23:21 and handing the decoded pages over to the client Mar 18 11:23:26 which then formats them Mar 18 11:23:38 we can probably use some maemo code for that Mar 18 11:23:48 someone contributed an mms client Mar 18 11:24:23 mickey|office, so why would the address include NULLs ? Mar 18 11:24:57 mickey|office: you probably won't Mar 18 11:25:07 maemo doen't support MMS Mar 18 11:25:09 ;-P Mar 18 11:25:54 SHR doesn't, either :P Mar 18 11:25:54 MMS is so.... 1999 Mar 18 11:26:21 TAsn: don't assume an mms address being the only allowed content in binary SMS Mar 18 11:26:34 you can do _everything_ w/ binary SMS Mar 18 11:26:43 control messages for machines Mar 18 11:26:49 configuration messages for the phone Mar 18 11:26:51 ... Mar 18 11:26:56 mickey|office, oh! ok. Mar 18 11:27:32 silent messages doing nothing except triggering a "traffic" so executives can locate your phone Mar 18 11:28:36 mickey|office, I guess even a(byte) is better than a(int) Mar 18 11:28:40 which is the usual way to spy after you, if the want to Mar 18 11:28:45 but cool :P Mar 18 11:29:02 TAsn: yes, probably Mar 18 11:29:13 i will change this when i simplify it Mar 18 11:29:25 morning Mar 18 11:29:38 i.e dbus signature ay (just went through the dbus python page) Mar 18 11:29:43 which is just a byte array. Mar 18 11:29:43 DocScrutinizer: sounds pretty odd that I can read the firmware in the first place Mar 18 11:29:56 mickey|office, I'm done bugging you, thanks :P Mar 18 11:30:30 lindi-: hmm, so you at least can do a backup before "bricking" your GPS ;-D Mar 18 11:30:45 DocScrutinizer: yeah Mar 18 11:31:32 lindi-: you should ask mickey|office to tell you to whom you should talk about all this. I'm not the most competent man for it I guess Mar 18 11:33:01 there's no one interested Mar 18 11:33:04 seriously Mar 18 11:33:11 neither the vendor nor any one else Mar 18 11:33:13 in GPS? Mar 18 11:33:19 ah, GPS Mar 18 11:33:22 thought we were talking GSM Mar 18 11:33:44 nah lindi- is digging deep into UBX Mar 18 11:33:59 i see. well, u-blox is a nice company Mar 18 11:34:09 i'm sure they have a technical support somewhere Mar 18 11:34:15 Can anyone give me a small update about non-fr phones being capable to run shr? :P Mar 18 11:34:23 (and not GTA01 as well0 Mar 18 11:34:24 TAsn: roughly: Mar 18 11:34:34 HTC Dream: 70% Mar 18 11:34:38 Palm Pre: 50% Mar 18 11:34:53 HTC N900: unknown, probably 70% as well Mar 18 11:35:08 but no one cares ;) Mar 18 11:35:18 mickey|office: who's been the GPS crack in FSO team? Mar 18 11:35:29 alphaone and shoragan Mar 18 11:35:32 mickey|office, exactly what I was looking for, thanks :P Mar 18 11:36:00 TAsn: the pre and the dream will definitely be a supported FSO platform by the end of this year. I'm not sure whether we'll reach 100% for both, but we should come close Mar 18 11:36:04 both seem to be on a looong vacation from IRC anyway Mar 18 11:36:22 yes, both have their own share of RL-issues to take care Mar 18 11:36:28 i don't expect them "back" any time soon Mar 18 11:36:46 lindi-: anyway you could ping them via email, I guess Mar 18 11:36:51 mickey|office, sweet, as I really need a decent (non-echoish and speaker echoish) phone :P Mar 18 11:37:56 JaMa, what's keeping us from using .32? Mar 18 11:43:29 I would like to set my nand environment through u-boot_env Mar 18 11:44:03 how can I download a modified environment, that is available as nand env then? Mar 18 11:44:20 I tried dfu-util -R -D boot.env -a u-boot_env Mar 18 11:44:36 which modifies u-boot_env. but not the nand environment ?! Mar 18 11:44:46 ikrabbe: what is nand environment? Mar 18 11:45:09 the enviornment you see when you are in the nand boot menu and type printenv Mar 18 11:45:22 ikrabbe: I modify that with fw_setenv from debian Mar 18 11:45:40 I don't want to use debian Mar 18 11:46:03 mickey|office: the htc dream is the same as the t-mobile g1? Mar 18 11:46:06 ikrabbe: i think you can use u-boot commands to modify it, no need to use dfu for it Mar 18 11:46:36 but it would be much easier to use dfu, as I can edit the environment with an editor on my host Mar 18 11:46:45 actually thats what I want Mar 18 11:46:55 ikrabbe: do you have such an editor? Mar 18 11:47:01 vi Mar 18 11:47:20 ikrabbe: you need to calculate the CRC Mar 18 11:47:29 yes thats what I feared Mar 18 11:47:37 anyone knows the algorithm Mar 18 11:47:39 ? Mar 18 11:47:40 fw_setenv does Mar 18 11:47:48 it's a commandline tool for modifying u-boot environment Mar 18 11:47:50 do you have a source code url? Mar 18 11:47:59 apt-get source uboot-envtools Mar 18 11:48:08 I don't have debian here Mar 18 11:48:11 packages.debian.org search for uboot-envtools Mar 18 11:48:25 you'll find source code link after a few clicks Mar 18 11:49:05 I whish you hadn't said that Mar 18 11:51:22 JaMa, is " if [ -e /etc/pointercal.xinput ] ; then" really necessary in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89xTs_Calibrate ? (it's done in the xinput_calibartor_once.sh anyway) and if so, shouldn't it check for not-exists instead of exists? Mar 18 11:52:35 TAsn: it's because few users had problem with xinput_calibrator executed as first thing after reflash Mar 18 11:53:09 JaMa, how does that solve anything? Mar 18 11:53:16 TAsn: with check for exist is that once you use xinput_calibrator_once.sh (from started Xorg), then after it, it will always use your stored values Mar 18 11:53:17 here it just didn't run Mar 18 11:53:29 JaMa, look in the file Mar 18 11:53:40 it only runs the calibrator if exists... Mar 18 11:53:44 which means: never Mar 18 11:53:59 furthermore, as I said, this check is already done in the script itself Mar 18 11:54:03 no need to check it twice Mar 18 11:54:08 no Mar 18 11:54:22 if it exists it only "use" stored values Mar 18 11:54:42 if it doesn't exist, it starts gui for "storing" new Mar 18 11:54:59 JaMa, do you have it open? Mar 18 11:55:05 because I'm looking at it now Mar 18 11:55:07 no I don't need to :) Mar 18 11:55:14 if [ -e /etc/pointercal.xinput ] ; then Mar 18 11:55:14 if [ -e /usr/bin/fsoraw ] ; then Mar 18 11:55:23 that's right Mar 18 11:55:25 doesn't that mean the second line will be issued only if the file exists? Mar 18 11:55:37 file = /etc/pointercal.xinput Mar 18 11:55:41 yes read again what I said first Mar 18 11:56:01 which line? Mar 18 11:56:04 TAsn: you HAVE to run xinput_calibrator_once.sh once from gui Mar 18 11:56:09 TAsn: manually Mar 18 11:56:14 oh Mar 18 11:56:19 because of the issue? Mar 18 11:56:22 i c. Mar 18 11:56:26 ok Mar 18 11:57:00 it's easier to run it once from gui or over ssh, then try to fix it after you fuck it up completely on first run after reflash Mar 18 11:57:03 but again, this check isn't necessary because of line 14 in Mar 18 11:57:08 xinput_calibrator_once.sh Mar 18 11:57:20 that's why I added that if Mar 18 11:57:40 ok nvm Mar 18 11:57:44 I got you. Mar 18 11:57:58 blindcoder: correct: T-Mobile G1 == HTC Dream == Google ADP1 Mar 18 11:58:32 no it's necessary, because that if in 89xTs_Calibrate decides if you're using xinput_calibrator or not Mar 18 11:58:40 JaMa, yeah yeah, nvm. Mar 18 11:58:52 and if in xinput_calibrator_once.sh decides if you're using stored or you need gui for new Mar 18 11:58:55 ok :) Mar 18 11:59:50 TAsn: and .32, not sure about stuff I'm not using, but here it needs longer rootwait/rootdelay and someone reported that it's not enough for his uSD Mar 18 12:00:11 what haven't you tested? Mar 18 12:00:30 ie BT Mar 18 12:01:36 also wifi I tried quite long ago Mar 18 12:01:59 JaMa, using what GUI? (as I haven't tried wifi for too long as well) Mar 18 12:02:19 * JaMa never used gui for wifi Mar 18 12:02:29 i c Mar 18 12:02:38 I've synchronized wpa_supplicant.conf across multiple devices Mar 18 12:03:08 :) Mar 18 12:03:44 and also across multiple distributions/version installed there :) Mar 18 12:05:20 I used it in the past (.conf) Mar 18 12:05:28 but I really thin a GUI is better suited :P Mar 18 12:06:43 yeah.. especially for people using more networks and often connecting to new one, I'm using one of 3 networks in .conf all the time :) Mar 18 12:08:40 JaMa, I think it's time to attack that Mar 18 12:08:43 mickey|office: ah, great. that one is also available for my april contract extension ;) Mar 18 12:08:48 we need a simple, easy to use, wifi manager Mar 18 12:10:43 we should try that nwe IIRC NicolaMFB is hacking (not sure about name) Mar 18 12:16:33 Who is making coffee today? :) Mar 18 12:22:33 * mrmoku would want some coffee too :) Mar 18 12:27:00 * TAsn doesn't drink coffee Mar 18 12:27:09 but I'm giving another chance to wifi-rader Mar 18 12:27:12 radar* Mar 18 12:29:02 * JaMa prepared coffee for himself, mrmoku, spaetz; tee for TAsn and now all are looking for DocScrutinizer's hand made cookies Mar 18 12:29:32 and gst-plugins-base_0.10.28.bb doesn't like our Thumb mode :/ Mar 18 12:29:41 I don'l like tee, as I don't like saving logs. Mar 18 12:29:47 * DocScrutinizer has a few cheap industry made cookies Mar 18 12:30:18 * DocScrutinizer and considers having a coffee, as the tea he had was very unusual to him Mar 18 12:32:38 brownie cookies, EAN unknown :-o (need to install barcode reader) Mar 18 12:33:31 incredible, first EAN barcode without plaintext number I've even noticed Mar 18 12:34:57 JaMa, cool, wifi-radar sucks terribly. Mar 18 12:34:58 blindcoder: excellent, then we can cooperate on bringing FSO+SHR to that device Mar 18 12:34:59 bbl Mar 18 12:37:42 woohoo mbarcode is GREAT, it's 20020088 actually (my cookies, fwiw ;-P ) Mar 18 12:41:46 ~weather EDDN Mar 18 12:41:50 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.18 1220 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.24 in. Hg (1024 hPa); Relative Humidity: 35%; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WNW (290 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable) Mar 18 12:42:00 \o/ Mar 18 12:42:17 * DocScrutinizer away for a walk Mar 18 12:44:10 * blindcoder .oO( other people are looking outside the window ) Mar 18 12:44:21 s/outside/out of/ Mar 18 12:48:36 * graziano reads backlog trying to understand what "that device" is... Mar 18 12:49:36 we need a simple, easy to use, wifi manager <-- AGREE Mar 18 12:49:56 I'm re-testing wifi-radar :| Mar 18 12:50:06 we should try that nwe IIRC NicolaMFB is hacking (not sure about name) <-- NWA: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA Mar 18 12:50:15 my comparison page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Graziano#Best_connections_manager_for_SHR Mar 18 12:50:46 as usual feel free to edit Mar 18 13:02:30 it would be nice if someone could send me a u-boot_env with correct checksum Mar 18 13:02:43