**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 29 02:59:57 2010
Mar 29 05:17:18 <playyaWorking> moin
Mar 29 05:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> nacht
Mar 29 05:53:15 <blindcoder> moin
Mar 29 05:54:28 <playyaWorking> hehe
Mar 29 06:11:39 <budfive> any kernel hackers awake?
Mar 29 06:26:04 <PaulFertser> budfive: heh?
Mar 29 06:34:27 <JaMa|Zzzz> fsospecs now require non-existent entity? cannot parse /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/docbook.xsl
Mar 29 06:42:29 <JaMa> mickey|zzZZzz: seems like missing dependency in OE, but not sure what provides nwalsh.. checking
Mar 29 06:54:21 <playyaWorking> JaMa, packagages.debian.org tells me it should be in docbook-xsl
Mar 29 06:55:55 <JaMa> playyaWorking: well I have gentoo and stylesheets are in /usr/share/sgml and still haven't found nwalsh.. but there should be some OE -native package for it, to fix it properly
Mar 29 07:02:59 <JaMa> playyaWorking, mickey|zzZZzz: ahh latest rev works ok.. so only SRCREV bump is needed
Mar 29 07:34:29 <raster> burrp
Mar 29 07:39:18 <playyaWorking> SCHULZ
Mar 29 07:46:56 <JesusMcCloud> raster, !
Mar 29 07:48:01 <JesusMcCloud> raster, could you point me to an example of map{} in edje ?
Mar 29 08:02:10 <raster> JesusMcCloud: e17 theme. the clock. :)
Mar 29 08:02:13 <raster> also
Mar 29 08:02:25 <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/files/map.edc
Mar 29 08:02:58 <JesusMcCloud> awesome, thx!
Mar 29 08:04:50 <Wonka> raster: do you have clue regarding elementary too?
Mar 29 08:05:54 <raster> i know nothing
Mar 29 08:05:59 <raster> i'm a complete fool
Mar 29 08:06:44 <Wonka> meh :)
Mar 29 08:07:33 <Wonka> I have a Scroller with a Table inside. I add and remove Buttons there. When it got big enough to scroll, it won't shrink again even if all buttons are removed, and there's empty space scrolling around.
Mar 29 08:09:59 <raster> did u set it to fill? (and expand) ?
Mar 29 08:10:04 <raster> no fill? no expand?
Mar 29 08:44:15 <JaMa> Weiss: mesa-7.8 is released, rebased cleanly, I'll try it on my neo
Mar 29 08:49:16 <Weiss> cool... probably won't make any difference, but good to know it works
Mar 29 08:51:45 <JaMa> I wanted to bump it in OE with -7.8 recipes, to have there better revision than some random point in 7.8 development :)
Mar 29 09:08:27 * von_fritz wonders why fso-specs doesn't compile :I
Mar 29 09:09:00 <JaMa> von_fritz: bump srcrev..
Mar 29 09:09:10 <JaMa> von_fritz: I'll merge it to shr/u mmt
Mar 29 09:09:40 <JaMa> von_fritz: make update :)
Mar 29 09:10:00 <von_fritz> JaMa thanks
Mar 29 09:25:47 <spaetz> mrmoku: can you instate a shr-stable in the Makefile please?
Mar 29 09:25:54 <spaetz> And make it use shr/testing2009
Mar 29 09:26:24 <spaetz> I think, we make some people REALLY happy by renaming the old shr-testing to shr-stable
Mar 29 09:27:54 <spaetz> we can even make it not be used by default, unless people so setup-shr-stable or so...
Mar 29 09:28:02 <spaetz> people *do*
Mar 29 09:29:32 <spaetz> mickey|office: even better, can you rename shr/testing2009 to shr/stable2009 on the OE git? Or should I just push a renamed branch?
Mar 29 09:29:48 <JaMa> mickey|office: still small issue with fso-specs, when built with QA sanity checks enabled: ERROR: QA Issue with staging: fso-specs.pc failed sanity test (tmpdir) in path /OE/tmpdir-dev/staging/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/pkgconfig
Mar 29 09:31:19 <Wonka> raster: let me see... (sorry for taking so long, am at work...)
Mar 29 09:32:51 <spaetz> I just pushed shr/stable2009 to OE git
Mar 29 09:45:40 <spaetz> mrmoku: mind, if I push the Makefile update?
Mar 29 09:45:42 <mrmoku> spaetz: not sure if it's a good idea
Mar 29 09:45:44 <CIA-32> SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r5415002f0666 10/Makefile: Makefile: add shr-stable and use OE's shr/stable2009
Mar 29 09:45:45 <mrmoku> but did it anyway :;P
Mar 29 09:45:55 <CIA-32> SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r7a0675b4aabd 10/Makefile: Makefile: remove obsolete patch-openembedded rule
Mar 29 09:46:48 <spaetz> mrmoku: people need to be able to build their stable at home.... I guess. And if it is not setup by default, there is little harm.
Mar 29 09:47:34 <mrmoku> spaetz: it's just that naming something stable just to have something named stable is... kind of pointless in my eyes... if it is not stable ;)
Mar 29 09:48:03 <spaetz> mrmoku: I know and agree. It is stable in the sense that it works and is not getting worse on updates though
Mar 29 09:48:20 <spaetz> and people seem to really care about the word.
Mar 29 09:48:22 * JaMa silently agree too
Mar 29 09:48:36 <mrmoku> now they have the magic word :P
Mar 29 09:48:55 <Heinervdm> As i said on core ML i think we should release MS1 as stable and nothing else...
Mar 29 09:48:57 <JaMa> imho they still don't get that shr-s = old shr-t without updates
Mar 29 09:49:08 <spaetz> right. Stable doesn't mean working, it means "slow" :-)
Mar 29 09:49:24 <mrmoku> JaMa: no fix for the openssl-native problem in sight?
Mar 29 09:49:52 <spaetz> Heinervdm: MS1 would be nice too, but I have been aiming for an MS1 for so many months... We seem to have more of a "rolling release" model :)
Mar 29 09:50:00 <JaMa> and Heinervdm is right.. MS1 is at least step forward (new opimd), not backward for those who already moved to new opimd (now unusable db for shr-s)
Mar 29 09:50:12 <Wonka> raster: the Scroller gets a size_hint_align_set(-1.0,-1.0) and a size_hint_weight_set(1.0,1.0) while the Table inside gets a size_hint_align_set(-1.0,-1.0) and a size_hint_weight_set(-1.0,0.0)
Mar 29 09:50:27 <mrmoku> lets work hard to get a good stable/2010 soon then :)
Mar 29 09:50:32 <Heinervdm> We should really care about tagging the bugs with the correct milestones
Mar 29 09:50:44 <spaetz> mrmoku: agreed :)
Mar 29 09:50:46 <Heinervdm> and then just work on those bugs
Mar 29 09:51:01 <spaetz> Heinervdm: yes, that is what we *should*...
Mar 29 09:51:14 <spaetz> I agree
Mar 29 09:51:22 <Heinervdm> i started doing this
Mar 29 09:51:36 <mickey|office> JaMa: that sanity check is a problem. i think it looks out for paths into the staging area which pkgconfig thinks is wrong
Mar 29 09:51:42 <mickey|office> JaMa: in our case it is not wrong though
Mar 29 09:51:53 <mickey|office> JaMa: perhaps you find a way to handle that better, my autofoo knowledge is limited
Mar 29 09:51:59 <spaetz> Heinervdm: this is how I got involved into SHR, because I wanted to organize and assign bugs...
Mar 29 09:52:00 <Heinervdm> there are only 78 untagged bugs left
Mar 29 09:52:02 <mickey|office> spaetz: push a new one, i'll delete the old one
Mar 29 09:52:21 <JaMa> mickey|office: it triggers only with that custom do_compile_append..
Mar 29 09:52:25 * JaMa lunch
Mar 29 09:52:27 <spaetz> mickey|office: ok. I pushed a new one. Either we let shr/testing2009 hang around or you can delete it.
Mar 29 09:52:42 <mickey|office> JaMa: yes, but this we need, otherwise the variable points to the wrong location
Mar 29 09:53:28 <mickey|office> there's probably a better way to do this in libfso-glib
Mar 29 09:53:36 <mickey|office> taking the sysroot into account
Mar 29 09:56:38 <leviathan> GNUtoo: Hi
Mar 29 09:56:53 <leviathan> I'm using now the servers from my university for compiling OE
Mar 29 09:56:54 <leviathan> :)
Mar 29 09:57:32 <leviathan> mickey|office: its very usefull study'n in a university with a cluster
Mar 29 10:00:00 <mrmoku> hmm... looks like now OE git is hanging :/
Mar 29 10:00:15 <spaetz> mrmoku, JaMa: I'll write an announcement for shr-s when I "release" it, making clear what it is, and what we guarantee and what not. I am very much looking forward to having MSI as stable though.
Mar 29 10:03:23 <spaetz> yep, OE git hangs :-(
Mar 29 10:04:46 <von_fritz> (Connection timed out) in headers ... its monday :)
Mar 29 10:06:56 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: there are 5 or more bugs in SHR about fsodeviced not saving preferences permanently
Mar 29 10:07:14 <spaetz> Heinervdm: the timeout settings?
Mar 29 10:07:28 <Heinervdm> for example
Mar 29 10:07:52 <spaetz> We should just modify shr-settings to save that directly to the config file. I think permanent setttings have never been implemented in fsodeviced.
Mar 29 10:08:04 <spaetz> or force mickey to reimplement ;)
Mar 29 10:08:27 * spaetz goes fetching a big stick
Mar 29 10:08:33 <spaetz> and a whip....
Mar 29 10:08:36 <Heinervdm> :)
Mar 29 10:08:48 <mickey|office> Heinervdm: which preferences?
Mar 29 10:09:21 <spaetz> fsodeviced idle timeouts for example used to be permanent...
Mar 29 10:09:22 <mrmoku> mickey|office: the idle state timeouts I think
Mar 29 10:09:37 <spaetz> in odeviced times.
Mar 29 10:09:51 <Heinervdm> or show my number settings
Mar 29 10:12:53 <mickey|office> show my number?
Mar 29 10:13:03 <Heinervdm> send phone number
Mar 29 10:13:18 <mickey|office> that's not fsodeviced
Mar 29 10:13:38 <mickey|office> that's (fs)ogsmd and should be configured at launch time by the controlling app
Mar 29 10:13:58 <mickey|office> has never been persistent
Mar 29 10:14:09 <mickey|office> we can talk about whether these settings should be or not
Mar 29 10:14:32 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: ok, then that must be done in shr
Mar 29 10:14:40 <mickey|office> yep, i'm leaning towards that
Mar 29 10:15:11 <mickey|office> although fsogsmd is higher level than ogsmd, i still see some things being outside of it
Mar 29 10:15:42 <Heinervdm> and timeout settings?
Mar 29 10:22:58 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, btw the leviathan defconfig works but....we now must diff it and find what make it work
Mar 29 10:26:18 <DropaX> off
Mar 29 10:28:08 <mickey|office> GNUtoo: ok, do you have some time to do that?
Mar 29 10:28:38 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, I'll try to do it
Mar 29 10:28:40 <mickey|office> GNUtoo: it would be good to know exactly what setting makes it work, rather than just taking his config
Mar 29 10:28:42 <mickey|office> thanks a lot
Mar 29 10:28:58 <mickey|office> Heinervdm: i will make these persistent; open a bug against fsodeviced, please
Mar 29 10:29:17 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: ok
Mar 29 10:31:56 <spaetz> yay :)
Mar 29 10:32:18 <spaetz> this is the largest source of user complaints :) (besides having the dimming at all )
Mar 29 10:37:53 <JaMa> spaetz: btw, how do you plan to sync pim data between your main distro (i guess shr-t) and fallback (shr-s)?
Mar 29 10:38:38 <spaetz> JaMa: that is the reason, I still have my SIM contacts. I don't have any PIM data besides those.
Mar 29 10:38:59 <spaetz> :) So moving between distros (used to be) is really painless for me
Mar 29 10:39:38 <mrmoku> JaMa: make TAsn look in .opim/pim.db and have that on a shared partition? :)
Mar 29 10:39:47 <mrmoku> s/in/for/
Mar 29 10:39:47 <apt> mrmoku meant: JaMa: make TAsn look for .opim/pim.db and have that on a shared partition? :)
Mar 29 10:40:24 <Heinervdm> make someone implent a sync thingi that automatically syncs ;)
Mar 29 10:41:12 <mrmoku> hopefully OE git works again after lunch :/
Mar 29 10:41:14 <mrmoku> bbl
Mar 29 10:41:15 <JaMa> but those pim.db from November 2009 and now shr-t are incopatiblie, aren't they?
Mar 29 10:41:26 <spaetz> they are incompatible afaik
Mar 29 10:41:30 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: libphone-ui-shr has to set "send phone number" feature before starting a call
Mar 29 10:41:46 <spaetz> that's why I would have loved to be able to at least still read my SIM contacts.
Mar 29 10:41:47 <JaMa> so it won't be so easy to sync
Mar 29 10:42:21 <spaetz> But if Heinervdm has the SIM syncer ready, things will be fine for me...
Mar 29 10:42:39 <Heinervdm> spaetz: you just need to update it in sht-t ;)
Mar 29 10:43:54 <spaetz> ahh :-). Yes will do that. Cool
Mar 29 10:53:08 <von_fritz> SIM-Manager seems to not work anymore with my latest updates. :l
Mar 29 10:55:58 <neldoreth> hello, i have a little question - i am now using the latest shr testing image and wanted to ask if i have to install or configure any additional that it is able to read the contacts from my sim card (i was able to do that with the image mentioned on the paroli site, but i wanted to run a newer image)
Mar 29 11:02:00 <von_fritz> neldoreth I don't now if sim-manager is in testing but try shr-settings -> other is there sim-manager?
Mar 29 11:02:36 <von_fritz> if not you can use pisi for importing yout contacts
Mar 29 11:02:47 <von_fritz> -t +r
Mar 29 11:05:15 <spaetz> neldoreth: the new fso opimd stuff won't read/use your SIM contacts directly :-(.
Mar 29 11:05:27 <neldoreth> von_fritz: ok, no there isnt (@ other) - i will check for pisi
Mar 29 11:05:50 <spaetz> You can convert them using the PISI tool. And I want to update shr-t to contain the newly written SIM manager, that allows copying the contacts over.
Mar 29 11:06:15 <neldoreth> spaetz: ok, too bad - i am right now installing pisi (since i am using the slim image) 
Mar 29 11:12:18 <neldoreth> spaetz: can you tell me what destination i have to chose if i want to copy them from the sim (shr sim card contacts) to the phone itself (local vcf?) so that the contacts application is able to read them?
Mar 29 11:13:56 <von_fritz> neldoreth "try" opimd
Mar 29 11:19:15 <von_fritz> did not work for me, have solved converting first in vcf file and then from vcf to opimd :)
Mar 29 11:20:30 <neldoreth> von_fritz: ok it seems to work after i patched the contacts_dbussim.py file like mentioned in the mailing list
Mar 29 11:22:08 <von_fritz> well patch should be upstream.
Mar 29 11:23:11 <neldoreth> worked without a problem - http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58547.html 
Mar 29 11:28:18 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: is that something one has to do before *every* call?
Mar 29 11:28:52 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: [12:13:49] <mickey|office> that's (fs)ogsmd and should be configured at launch time by the controlling app
Mar 29 11:30:17 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: so I think that should go to phonefsod
Mar 29 11:31:17 <Heinervdm> and shr-settings should send a signal when it's changed
Mar 29 11:32:14 <neldoreth> i have two other qeustions if you do not mind: the first one does anyone know how i can get the paroli-illume theme running on the shr image - in addition i wanted to ask if there is any imageviewer out there besides neon and omview since both of them are broken 
Mar 29 11:32:57 <dos1> wpa_supplicant: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgnutls-extra.so.26: symbol _gnutls_log_level, version GNUTLS_1_4 not defined in file libgnutls.so.26 with link time reference
Mar 29 11:33:08 <dos1> did anyone already see that?
Mar 29 11:33:11 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yup
Mar 29 11:33:41 <Heinervdm> neldoreth: neon is working fine for me
Mar 29 11:33:48 <Heinervdm> neldoreth: just install om-neon
Mar 29 11:34:39 <neldoreth> Heinervdm: ok, maybe i tried installing the wrong package then - i checked the opkg site for it later on and there was a link to a bug report that was closed because it was not possible to fix it
Mar 29 11:35:16 <Heinervdm> om-view isn't fixable
Mar 29 11:35:26 <Heinervdm> but om-neon is fine
Mar 29 11:38:49 <neldoreth> Heinervdm: indeed it does - thank you
Mar 29 11:53:57 <JaMa> efl bump? seems like last 200 commits are mostly bugfixes
Mar 29 11:55:16 * Weiss likes bugfixes
Mar 29 11:55:59 * JaMa likes bleeding-edge, but bugfixes are good too :)
Mar 29 11:57:14 <mrmoku> JaMa: still no OE git for me :/
Mar 29 11:57:58 <JaMa> yes tinderbox seems down too :/
Mar 29 11:58:23 <JaMa> if you have inherit oestats-client, it's faster to remove it (temporary removed from shr buildhost)
Mar 29 11:58:46 <JaMa> mrmoku: if you need it now, I can push it to gitorious
Mar 29 11:58:56 <mrmoku> JaMa: I wiped my tmp last night... started a build from scratch, which failed at openssl-native
Mar 29 11:59:35 <mrmoku> JaMa: probably I could switch to the ro mirror for building too
Mar 29 11:59:43 <JaMa> ah :/
Mar 29 12:00:39 <JaMa> mrmoku: I guess that openssl-native was converted without PR bump, because I didn't see it rebuild today"
Mar 29 12:01:16 <mrmoku> yes
Mar 29 12:01:45 <mrmoku> and it is the same thing as for the pkgconfig problem... trying to fiddle with stuff outside tmp
Mar 29 12:02:11 <mrmoku> JaMa: do you know what the correct fix is for that?
Mar 29 12:02:22 <JaMa> mrmoku: the one from fso-specs?
Mar 29 12:02:29 <mrmoku> in the case of openssl-native it is trying to install a man page to /usr/share/man
Mar 29 12:02:44 <mrmoku> in the case of pkgconfig it is trying to fiddle with /usr/lib/pkgconfig
Mar 29 12:03:22 <JaMa> mrmoku: have you checked run.do_configure task if it's using right prefixes?
Mar 29 12:03:39 <mrmoku> moment
Mar 29 12:03:41 <JaMa> mrmoku: and it only fails in stage, right?
Mar 29 12:04:25 <JaMa> heh my buildhost rebuilt newer efl twice before shr buildhost finished parsing recipes :)
Mar 29 12:04:58 <mrmoku> right
Mar 29 12:05:38 <mrmoku> export datadir="/home/mok/shrbuild/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/share"
Mar 29 12:05:44 <mrmoku> looks correct
Mar 29 12:08:14 <mrmoku> btw... http://build.shr-project.org/stats/
Mar 29 12:08:40 <mrmoku> guess in Nov/09 we dropped the overlay ;)
Mar 29 12:09:23 <mrmoku> ohh... duh
Mar 29 12:09:23 <mrmoku> nvm
Mar 29 12:12:25 <JaMa> checked diff and recipe and I don't see correct fix :/
Mar 29 12:12:50 <JaMa> maybe I'll try to rebuild later here.. but till next Wed I'm quite busy ;/
Mar 29 12:13:15 <mrmoku> ok
Mar 29 12:13:16 <spaetz> neldoreth: BTW;  I have never used pisi so I would not know. :)
Mar 29 12:13:26 <spaetz> ~lart OE git
Mar 29 12:13:27 * apt installs PocketPC on OE git's PDA
Mar 29 12:15:12 <mrmoku> JaMa: MANDIR=/usr/share/man
Mar 29 12:15:18 <mrmoku> is what is in openssl's Makefile
Mar 29 12:15:36 <mrmoku> and as it is not autotools... it is just running make install IIUC
Mar 29 12:20:54 <JesusMcCloud> dos1, ping
Mar 29 12:21:38 <dos1> JesusMcCloud: pong
Mar 29 12:22:33 <JesusMcCloud> whats the progress on the shr-logo theme? is it adavanced enough so i could finish it? i think it would be nice to have a logo theme
Mar 29 12:22:57 <JesusMcCloud> if you dont want anyone to fdlle with your work i understand
Mar 29 12:24:23 <JesusMcCloud> dos1, ^
Mar 29 12:25:01 <dos1> JesusMcCloud: do what you want with it, i coudn't find enough time and motivation to finish it
Mar 29 12:25:09 <dos1> JesusMcCloud: just show me screens when you're done ;)
Mar 29 12:25:25 <JesusMcCloud> i suppose it is in git
Mar 29 12:34:53 <von_fritz> JesusMcCloud I like your o2 theme, its my prefered one ;)
Mar 29 12:35:25 <von_fritz> anyone know why its not possible to change background in illume?
Mar 29 12:35:32 <JesusMcCloud> von_fritz, nice to hear... it was just an experiment, and i am not happy with the results
Mar 29 12:35:52 <JesusMcCloud> von_fritz, (background) go into settings ->appearence -> background
Mar 29 12:36:07 <JesusMcCloud> (setting = illume settings)
Mar 29 12:39:32 <von_fritz> not working! white background (default) overwrites the selected one
Mar 29 12:40:00 <sybren> hey guys
Mar 29 12:40:15 <sybren> in SHR testing, I can't seem to add nor edit contacts
Mar 29 12:40:29 <sybren> I get a screen with phone and name fields, but there doesn't seem to be a way to edit any text
Mar 29 12:40:40 <JesusMcCloud> von_fritz, sounds like a bug (though i haven't tried settign background for ages) if you need a background NOW you'll have to alter the edc
Mar 29 12:44:58 <von_fritz> well if its a bug then with EFLSRCV 47554 its not fixed (only for information)
Mar 29 12:46:23 <JesusMcCloud> von_fritz, the current efl rev suck big time anyways
Mar 29 12:46:26 <Heinervdm> sybren: there is a bug about that. the field has to be unselected before you press the pencil, then you can press the pencil and edit the field
Mar 29 12:47:23 <sybren> Heinervdm: ok
Mar 29 12:47:36 <sybren> Heinervdm: thanks for the secret handshake ;-)
Mar 29 12:48:26 <JesusMcCloud> ~lart Transcend for SD cards with short lifespan!
Mar 29 12:48:26 * apt puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Transcend for SD cards with short lifespan!
Mar 29 12:49:47 * von_fritz uses only uSD from Sandisk ;)
Mar 29 12:50:03 <JesusMcCloud> i have my sandsik sdy in my camera...
Mar 29 12:51:29 * sybren uses sandisk CF cards in his camera
Mar 29 12:52:28 <JesusMcCloud> so you got a DSLR i suppose
Mar 29 12:52:47 <sybren> yup, Canon 7D
Mar 29 12:53:55 <JesusMcCloud> yeah nice, lomo still rocks more than all that high tech stuff...
Mar 29 12:54:20 <sybren> :)
Mar 29 12:55:28 <sybren> I only got into photography when I wouldn't have to hang my head into chemicals or leave the all important printing process to some lab
Mar 29 13:09:21 <spaetz> Honestly, I really want to upgrade shr-t, but everytime I try some piece of infrastructure is broken down, so I cannot cahnge or test anything :)
Mar 29 13:09:45 <JaMa> git works now again..
Mar 29 13:09:50 <spaetz> is OE git up again?
Mar 29 13:09:54 <spaetz> ahh, good
Mar 29 13:09:55 <JaMa> Y
Mar 29 13:10:18 <JaMa> pespin: latest emtooth fails to build, any idea why?
Mar 29 13:10:33 <JaMa> pespin: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/emtooth/
Mar 29 13:11:57 <JaMa> pespin: does it need newer EFL than what is in shr-u?
Mar 29 13:12:02 <von_fritz> JaMa for me it works, builded 30 min ago with EFLSRCRV 47554 (emtooth)
Mar 29 13:12:27 <pespin> JaMa, uhm I builded it yesterday. Maybe because of newer EFL
Mar 29 13:12:33 * JaMa built it about 5s ago with newer efl too :)
Mar 29 13:12:35 <pespin> as I upgraded yesterday elementary
Mar 29 13:12:48 <JaMa> ok.. I'll push newer EFL
Mar 29 13:12:50 <pespin> let me try to build locally
Mar 29 13:13:00 <JaMa> von_fritz: any known issue with 47554?
Mar 29 13:13:26 <von_fritz> apart background seems ok
Mar 29 13:13:45 <JaMa> ok
Mar 29 13:13:47 <JaMa> thanks
Mar 29 13:14:20 <pespin> JaMa, with newer efl, fileselector segfaults when pressing a dir
Mar 29 13:14:39 <JaMa> von_fritz: can you confirm ^?
Mar 29 13:14:44 <von_fritz> wait SIM-Manager doesn't work:( but i don't know if its EFL related
Mar 29 13:14:49 <pespin> JaMa, it builds for me locally in netbook :S
Mar 29 13:14:52 <JaMa> I have it installed, but device is far away and I'm at work
Mar 29 13:15:33 <pespin> JaMa, where can I see the error in that link?
Mar 29 13:15:36 <Heinervdm> TAsn: is this still needed? http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/763
Mar 29 13:16:38 <pespin> JaMa, --> undefined reference to `elm_object_parent_widget_get'
Mar 29 13:16:45 <JaMa> pespin: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/task/5451496.txt
Mar 29 13:16:46 <JaMa> yes
Mar 29 13:16:50 <pespin> that's the problem. I spoke about that with devilhorns yesterday
Mar 29 13:17:08 <pespin> JaMa, it requieres rebuild of new elementary
Mar 29 13:17:47 <JaMa> ok.. will push and build, hopefully file selector segfault will be fixed soon/won't appear in shr build
Mar 29 13:17:54 <pespin> hope so
Mar 29 13:18:16 <pespin> JaMa, hope it won't happen to illume, but I'm having problem with new E too
Mar 29 13:18:29 <pespin> Ibar doesn't show apps and similar problems
Mar 29 13:18:41 <JaMa> ah :/ too late.. already pushed
Mar 29 13:19:04 <pespin> there was a post in E blog about that. it has relation with efreet being rewriten
Mar 29 13:19:27 <spaetz> EVERYTHING seems to be in the state of being rewritten all the time.
Mar 29 13:19:30 * spaetz sighs
Mar 29 13:19:53 * sybren is not in the state of being rewritten
Mar 29 13:20:18 <pespin> JaMa, are you building locally?
Mar 29 13:20:37 <JaMa> yes
Mar 29 13:20:47 <JaMa> but not right now.. everything built already :)
Mar 29 13:22:30 <pespin> hehe
Mar 29 13:22:36 * Wonka is not even written
Mar 29 13:22:40 <pespin> JaMa, btw, does emtooth have obexd as dependency?
Mar 29 13:23:00 <pespin> and obex-client if it's in another package
Mar 29 13:23:05 <JaMa> no only DEPENDS = "elementary eina edbus"
Mar 29 13:23:25 <pespin> JaMa, there should be bluez, obexd and obex-client
Mar 29 13:23:41 <pespin> apart from those 3 already there
Mar 29 13:25:23 <JaMa> pespin: ok, will add those later
Mar 29 13:25:30 <pespin> JaMa, thanks :)
Mar 29 13:31:44 <von_fritz> JaMa well and intone.... Segmentation fault :(
Mar 29 13:33:19 <JaMa> :/
Mar 29 13:33:20 <pespin> it segfaults in libevas
Mar 29 13:33:42 <Heinervdm> JaMa: perhaps you should revert the EFL bump ;)
Mar 29 13:36:21 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, curretn efl rev in shr-u sicks mig time, even more then the previous one , now i can't eve set an icon thee in illuem settings
Mar 29 13:37:24 <pespin> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/blog/efreet-xdg-temporary-breakages
Mar 29 13:37:39 <pespin> don't know if it has relation to this
Mar 29 13:38:29 <spaetz> let's buy trolltech and switch to qt.
Mar 29 13:40:08 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: which rev?
Mar 29 13:40:24 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: just pushed 47555
Mar 29 13:40:33 <JaMa> not built on shr buildhost
Mar 29 13:40:34 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, dunno phone rebooting now (and upgraded 15 minutes ago or so)
Mar 29 13:42:02 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: standard shr-u? there wasn't anything new built today (yet)
Mar 29 13:42:12 <JaMa> NOTE: Running task 6303 of 14523
Mar 29 13:42:24 <von_fritz> ventura seems ok but estardict reacts strange
Mar 29 13:43:10 <JaMa> von_fritz: have you tried to remove .e?
Mar 29 13:43:11 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, ah well and utf8 input si broken aswell (i cannot write german umlauts and ?)
Mar 29 13:43:18 <JesusMcCloud> s/?/ß/
Mar 29 13:43:18 <apt> JesusMcCloud meant: JaMa, ah well and utf8 input si broken aswell (i cannot write german umlauts and ß)
Mar 29 13:43:37 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: do you have x11-locales package installed?
Mar 29 13:43:38 <JesusMcCloud> u pugraded today (fresh flash today)
Mar 29 13:43:48 <JesusMcCloud> full image
Mar 29 13:43:56 <mickey|office> wb GNUtoo 
Mar 29 13:44:06 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: shr-u or shr-t?
Mar 29 13:44:08 <von_fritz> JaMa yes, normaly I remove .e/* after efl bump
Mar 29 13:44:28 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, shr-U
Mar 29 13:44:44 <GNUtoo> mickey|office, thanks,I think it's du to the psu that is only 450W
Mar 29 13:45:17 <mickey|office> hehe
Mar 29 13:46:55 <GNUtoo> I've also issues withusb
Mar 29 13:47:58 <pespin> JaMa, hmm I've upgraded evas/elementary another ime today, and fileselector doesn't segfault always now, only sometimes :P
Mar 29 13:49:15 <JaMa> acording to blogpost we can just hold efreet upgrade..
Mar 29 13:49:35 <JaMa> not sure if I should revert EFL bump or return to daywork
Mar 29 13:50:01 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, if you decide to revert... then revert 3 or 4 bumps not just one...
Mar 29 13:50:51 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: not even possible without PE bump...
Mar 29 13:52:36 <JesusMcCloud> dammit
Mar 29 13:52:51 <JesusMcCloud> anyways, gtg get me sth to eat now
Mar 29 13:54:18 <Heinervdm> can we add a bug status "fixed in unstable" or "waiting for build"?
Mar 29 13:55:20 <JaMa> not sure if "waiting for build" will be usually switched later to "fixed in unstable"
Mar 29 13:55:34 <JaMa> maybe you should get buildhost account instead :)
Mar 29 13:56:28 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i'm thinking of that because there are a lot of bugs reported for testing, but that affect unstable too
Mar 29 13:57:29 <Heinervdm> And with a status like that it would be easier for spaetz to find which commits he has to cherry-pick
Mar 29 13:57:51 <Heinervdm> I always post the commit when i fix a bug...
Mar 29 13:58:01 <JaMa> Heinervdm: but if "waiting for build" means that fix is pushed to oe.dev already.. I would name it fixed with note that it will be built soon in closing message
Mar 29 13:58:36 <JaMa> Heinervdm: but i agree with "fixed in unstable"
Mar 29 13:58:53 <spaetz> Heinervdm: that would make things easier indeed.
Mar 29 13:58:53 <Heinervdm> JaMa: yes, "waiting for build" isn't really needed as we build nearly every day
Mar 29 13:59:18 <spaetz> a fixed in commit BLAH would be nice. or something
Mar 29 13:59:53 <Heinervdm> I usally write sth like that: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/975#comment:4
Mar 29 13:59:53 <JaMa> Heinervdm: and biggest pain would be to check after rsync to feed which fixes were already merged to shr/u before recipe-parse time...
Mar 29 14:01:13 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i don't understand...
Mar 29 14:01:21 * JaMa too (not much bugs closed by me)
Mar 29 14:01:35 <pespin> have to go, see ya
Mar 29 14:02:02 <Heinervdm> :)
Mar 29 14:02:23 <JaMa> Heinervdm: I mean pain with "waiting for build".. that when I run build over night.. I should reclose "waiting for build" bugs with ie "fixed in shr-u"
Mar 29 14:02:50 <Heinervdm> JaMa: ah ok
Mar 29 14:03:07 <JaMa> and as one build sometimes takes 2 days.. it's more pain to check what was merged before build start and what went to waiting after merge
Mar 29 14:04:50 <Heinervdm> yes, so the waiting for build idea is dropped :)
Mar 29 14:05:14 <Heinervdm> i added a "fixed in unstable" resolution
Mar 29 14:05:34 <Heinervdm> but one has to use the custom query feature to find them
Mar 29 14:06:08 <spaetz> Heinervdm: but at least it's easy searchable.
Mar 29 14:06:12 <spaetz> thanks
Mar 29 14:06:13 <von_fritz> JaMa 47556 another fix but I'm not sure if it's worth to bump EFL :I
Mar 29 14:06:59 <von_fritz> better stay with old rev
Mar 29 14:07:24 <Heinervdm> spaetz: but after you cherry picked them, you should set them to fixed, else that won't work :)
Mar 29 14:12:51 <mrmoku> JaMa: or rebump ;)
Mar 29 14:12:52 <mrmoku> 15:46 < CIA-13> 15:22:12> e: cedric * r47556 e/src/modules/exebuf/e_exebuf.c: * e: fix efreet refcount in exebuf.
Mar 29 14:13:10 <JaMa> mrmoku: openssl is fixed in oe.dev
Mar 29 14:13:16 <mrmoku> oh
Mar 29 14:13:23 <JaMa> what is exebuf? :)
Mar 29 14:13:34 <mrmoku> just this second... and I pulled two seconds ago :P
Mar 29 14:13:45 <JaMa> isn't it some module we don't even use? (then it would be pointless rebump)
Mar 29 14:14:07 <mrmoku> no idea..
Mar 29 14:14:12 * mrmoku just saw efreet in there :P
Mar 29 14:14:14 <JaMa> I didn't build it (newer EFL) on buildhost (and I won't in next few days..)
Mar 29 14:14:38 * mrmoku is going to merge the openssl fix now :)
Mar 29 14:14:41 <JaMa> mrmoku: acording to blog post pespin posted link to, there will be efreet fixes all over efl source tree :/
Mar 29 14:15:03 <mrmoku> ahh... ok
Mar 29 14:15:06 <mrmoku> lets just wait then
Mar 29 14:15:24 <JaMa> if that's the biggest issue I would revert only efreet rev
Mar 29 14:15:34 <JaMa> as suggested in that post too
Mar 29 14:15:56 <Heinervdm> dos1: the screenshot is gone, but it looked like opimd-notifier. Do you know sth about this? http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/974
Mar 29 14:16:49 <mrmoku> JaMa: fine too... I'm happy if openssl-native builds again... the rest I don't care for now ;)
Mar 29 14:17:15 <dos1> Heinervdm: well, no idea, i haven't seen that screenshot
Mar 29 14:17:46 <Heinervdm> dos1: did you had roy somewhere in your code?
Mar 29 14:18:06 <dos1> Heinervdm: Roy? no.
Mar 29 14:18:27 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok, then we can't do anything about that ticket
Mar 29 14:19:02 <JaMa> hmm efreet-46726 is quite old :/ it was already there few bumps ago
Mar 29 14:29:04 <CIA-32> SHR: 03zimmermann 07libphone-ui-shr * rd0829d99751c 10/TODO: TODO: add tasks for sim-manager
Mar 29 14:29:15 <CIA-32> SHR: 03zimmermann 07libphone-ui-shr * reead8c2804c0 10/po/de.po: de.po: fix part 1 of bug #707 (wrong translation)
Mar 29 14:36:23 <Martix> problem with compiling vanilla 2.6.32.10 with defconfig from SHR-u
Mar 29 14:36:28 <Martix> arch/arm/mach-s3c2442/built-in.o: In function `gta02_machine_init':
Mar 29 14:36:28 <Martix> mach-gta02.c:(.init.text+0x110): undefined reference to `s3c_device_usb'
Mar 29 14:36:28 <Martix> mach-gta02.c:(.init.text+0x118): undefined reference to `s3c_device_nand'
Mar 29 14:36:28 <Martix> arch/arm/mach-s3c2442/built-in.o:(.init.data+0x48): undefined reference to `s3c_device_usb'
Mar 29 14:36:28 <Martix> arch/arm/mach-s3c2442/built-in.o:(.init.data+0x58): undefined reference to `s3c_device_nand'
Mar 29 14:36:29 <Martix> arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/built-in.o: In function `s3c244x_map_io':
Mar 29 14:36:29 <Martix> setup-i2c.c:(.init.text+0x7d8): undefined reference to `s3c_device_nand'
Mar 29 14:39:58 * JaMa never built vanila, when there is well prepared 2.6.32 from larsc
Mar 29 14:41:42 <mrmoku> Martix: we have some web statistics now
Mar 29 14:41:49 <Martix> I need vanilla for FCSE patch testing/debugging
Mar 29 14:41:55 <mrmoku> http://build.shr-project.org/stats/
Mar 29 14:42:14 <Martix> mrmoku: great
Mar 29 14:42:28 <mrmoku> well... that's more than I would have expected :P
Mar 29 14:42:38 <mrmoku> (traffic wise)
Mar 29 14:42:59 <spaetz> all the source downloads included?
Mar 29 14:43:05 <Heinervdm> one stets makefile variables with "make VAR=bla"?
Mar 29 14:43:12 <mrmoku> all http yep
Mar 29 14:43:17 <Martix> mrmoku: its for website + buildhost and git?
Mar 29 14:43:41 <mrmoku> the buildhost part does not cause traffic... git is included when going over http protocol
Mar 29 14:44:15 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yup
Mar 29 14:44:19 <spaetz> hehe, top url: /shr-testing/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2
Mar 29 14:44:25 <spaetz> by kB
Mar 29 14:44:45 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: do you know how to do it with bitbake?
Mar 29 14:45:37 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: koen does it like this in openssl.inc:
Mar 29 14:45:39 <mrmoku>         oe_runmake INSTALL_PREFIX="${D}" install
Mar 29 14:46:05 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: ok, if he does it like that i can do it as well :)
Mar 29 14:46:31 <mrmoku> :)
Mar 29 14:46:38 <Heinervdm> hmm, or i can use EXTRA_OEMAKE
Mar 29 14:48:39 <Martix> 857485744 kB of files?  =-O 
Mar 29 14:50:06 <mrmoku> too much to make it run over my companies server :P
Mar 29 14:54:10 <Martix> 29568474 kB per day, I think, its a bandwidth usage
Mar 29 14:54:41 <Martix> what is total size of hosted files?
Mar 29 14:55:00 <mrmoku> moment
Mar 29 14:59:30 <spaetz> well, we could save lots of bandwidth by not hosting the downloads on the build server.
Mar 29 15:00:17 <spaetz> we could also save lots of bandwidth by rsyncing the finished images and opkgs from the build host to some hosting box.
Mar 29 15:01:21 <spaetz> the downlaod server can be pretty weak in terms of CPU if it has a good network connection.
Mar 29 15:01:29 <spaetz> A faster build server would be nice ;)
Mar 29 15:01:51 <mrmoku> I would have such a thing... just that it is connected via DSL :/
Mar 29 15:02:10 <spaetz> Hehe, I bet we could clogg up your DSL easily :)
Mar 29 15:02:40 <spaetz> dos1'ing mrmokus home DSL.... heehee
Mar 29 15:02:46 <Martix> average continuous comsumed bandwidth is 2646 Kbit/s
Mar 29 15:03:12 <mrmoku> shr@opmbuild:/var/www$ du -sh shr.bearstech.com/
Mar 29 15:03:12 <mrmoku> 72G     shr.bearstech.com/
Mar 29 15:03:21 <Martix> 100 Mbit/s should be enough
Mar 29 15:04:13 <spaetz> Martix: I bet it is very peaky though
Mar 29 15:05:59 <Martix> btw what causes current outages?
Mar 29 15:06:00 <mrmoku> what is not included is trac + MLs
Mar 29 15:06:21 <mrmoku> faulty mem
Mar 29 15:09:36 <spaetz> I don't think trac and ML are really that much. Plus there is so many services that offer free trac and MLs that we could use :)
Mar 29 15:09:56 <spaetz> if it were a problem. Having them under the shr-project domain is nice though....
Mar 29 15:10:20 <Gabrys> spaetz: always you can have a redirect though
Mar 29 15:11:51 <mrmoku> spaetz: It's more that I want it under control :P to be able to install whatever we want without bothering someboday.... like some nice theme ;)
Mar 29 15:12:28 <spaetz> mrmoku: yep
Mar 29 15:15:14 <DocScrutinizer> get a hetzner box
Mar 29 15:15:45 <spaetz> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
Mar 29 15:15:45 <spaetz> been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
Mar 29 15:15:45 <spaetz> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
Mar 29 15:15:46 <spaetz> shr-devel-owner@projects.openmoko.org.
Mar 29 15:15:46 <mrmoku> ok... 50 volunteers to give an €/per Month please stand up :)
Mar 29 15:15:55 <spaetz> oops, so many lines to paste. SOrry
Mar 29 15:16:04 <spaetz> my email was rejected...
Mar 29 15:16:19 <mrmoku> sent from wrong mail address?
Mar 29 15:16:33 <spaetz> no, but I'll resent and see what happens..
Mar 29 15:16:46 <Martix> what is size of http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/ and http://git.openmoko.org/ ?
Mar 29 15:17:55 <spaetz> bahh, reply went to shr-devel@projects.openmoko.org
Mar 29 15:18:03 <spaetz> no wonder it was rejected :)
Mar 29 15:18:12 <mrmoku> ouch :P
Mar 29 15:18:16 <DocScrutinizer> btw, not to destroy your hopes, but next weekend is easter. you really hope bearstech will get new ram on easter, and plug it in?
Mar 29 15:18:40 <Martix> mrmoku: wouldnt be better replace bad RAM and mirror only most wanted files?
Mar 29 15:19:14 <mrmoku> ram replacement i scheduled
Mar 29 15:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you're well? I hope you take metro rarely
Mar 29 15:21:46 * mrmoku was thinking about PaulFertser too while reading news today :/
Mar 29 15:27:18 <Heinervdm> JaMa: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/883 can you verifiy if ecore compiles with --enable-xim?
Mar 29 15:28:59 <mrmoku> Martix: shr@opmbuild:/var/www$ du -sh shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk
Mar 29 15:29:02 <mrmoku> 1.6G    shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk
Mar 29 15:31:45 <JesusMcCloud> my freerunner just ate another SD card! the second one in 2 days
Mar 29 15:32:11 <JaMa> Heinervdm: I can confirm it's built without XIM support
Mar 29 15:32:37 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i meant can you compile it with xim support?
Mar 29 15:32:55 <JaMa> trying now
Mar 29 15:33:09 <Heinervdm> nice :)
Mar 29 15:33:32 <JaMa> but probably won't finish.. before leaving work
Mar 29 15:34:02 <JaMa> and not sure when I'll arrive home today.. I'll assing that bug to me  :)
Mar 29 15:35:05 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i took metro ~3 days a week on average
Mar 29 15:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, FUCK
Mar 29 15:35:32 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: and in fact the probability to be personally harmed even in such a high-profile terrorism act is very low.
Mar 29 15:35:53 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: anyway, good to hear you're still here
Mar 29 15:41:15 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: thanks :) I'm pleased to be here.
Mar 29 15:45:02 * Weiss also pleased, but..
Mar 29 15:45:20 <Weiss> maybe this is just easy for me to say, but I think the best response to terrorism is to refuse to be afraid
Mar 29 15:49:05 <DocScrutinizer> refuse to take *any* notice
Mar 29 15:49:21 <Weiss> not necessarily
Mar 29 15:49:54 <Weiss> but being afraid is exactly what "they" want us to do. these days, they don't even need to do anything for us to be afraid (e.g. Munich airport incident)
Mar 29 15:50:16 <Weiss> but, see for example the Glasgow airport bombing and London bombing
Mar 29 15:50:16 <misc> what happened ?
Mar 29 15:50:46 <Weiss> misc: a person ran off when he was requested to have an extra screening of his laptop
Mar 29 15:50:58 <Weiss> everyone thought he was a terrorist, but he was really just a bit of an idiot
Mar 29 15:51:25 <DocScrutinizer> those moscow bombings made chechny apear ~10 mio times in newschan just in the last 10h. So they actually had a partial win 
Mar 29 15:51:46 <JaMa> Heinervdm: builds fine.. I'll check on device (not sure if he is talking about std azerty illume keyboard with dead keys or if dead keys are only on his modified one..)
Mar 29 15:51:59 <Weiss> glasgow airport: incompetent terrorist tried to drive a car into the terminal building. he got the "proverbial" kicked out of him by a local instead
Mar 29 15:52:42 <misc> Weiss: in fact, it was more the problem in russia, didn't look the news today 
Mar 29 15:53:11 <Weiss> misc: ah, ok
Mar 29 15:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> misc: two metro bombings
Mar 29 15:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> >30 corpses
Mar 29 15:54:28 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i can't find dead keys in the standard keyboard
Mar 29 15:58:20 <radekp> hi, there is problem with 2.6.32 that the current is very high (700uA) when SD card is removed. Anyone remembers what was the problem and if it's fixed now?
Mar 29 15:58:46 <Weiss> radekp: this? http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/2010/02/the-mysterious-missing-milliamps.html
Mar 29 15:59:13 <radekp> Weiss: ahh thanks that's it :)
Mar 29 15:59:18 <Weiss> quick solution: cut a roughly uSD-shaped bit of plastic and put it in the slot
Mar 29 15:59:31 <Weiss> but the kernel issue (SD regulator left on) was fixed by larsc a long time ago
Mar 29 16:01:27 <radekp> hmm i have report from user that has this issue, i have to check what version is the kernel
Mar 29 16:01:32 <DocScrutinizer> radekp: or this for a even more convenient fix with added value: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/
Mar 29 16:04:10 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Weiss this act clearly showed the level of hyporcrisy in our society.
Mar 29 16:04:45 <PaulFertser> Weiss: in a ~12M city 60 people died because of bombings, that's awful, no doubt.
Mar 29 16:05:07 <PaulFertser> Weiss: but so many people die every day in Ingushetiya, Chechnya, Dagestan -- all russian territories too.
Mar 29 16:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I'm still wondering qui bono. Putin will NOT wheep in dispair
Mar 29 16:05:33 <PaulFertser> Ordinary moscow people do not care :|
Mar 29 16:05:49 <radekp> oki, thanks a lot
Mar 29 16:11:10 <PaulFertser> Also every fucking moron started to call his relatives, wtf? Nonsense, considering the actual probability of being harmed. But moscow inhabitants are too stupid to count apparently. So the moral is: people are cruel, selfish and stupid. Nothing new though.
Mar 29 16:12:26 <Weiss> Bruce Schneier writes a lot of interesting stuff about this kind of thing
Mar 29 16:12:50 <PaulFertser> I know
Mar 29 16:12:54 <PaulFertser> Security theartre
Mar 29 16:15:21 <Weiss> and a lot more besides.. such as how controlling police more tightly usually makes people sfer
Mar 29 16:15:24 <Weiss> safer*
Mar 29 16:16:33 <PaulFertser> Weiss: people here are generally afraid to have any relationship with police. When you pass them you do not look in their eyes because you're afraid they'll try to ask you useless questions, take away your money etc etc.
Mar 29 16:16:46 <Weiss> yeah..
Mar 29 16:19:05 <radekp> Weiss: i tried latest om-gta02-2.6.32 but the current without SD card is still 657750
Mar 29 16:19:28 <radekp> Weiss: for you it was fixed by the commit?
Mar 29 16:19:32 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Putin benefits for sure
Mar 29 16:19:53 <radekp> unfortunately i cant try it myself, because my NAND probably said good bye to me :(
Mar 29 16:20:10 <Weiss> radekp: should be fixed by http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=6299be6a85f3e115ccfbd5786ad8de3b0781cd3e
Mar 29 16:20:54 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: in fact he was elected first time in less than half a year after bombings demoshished several multi-flat houses in moscow.
Mar 29 16:23:07 <radekp> Weiss: interesting - i will write a mail to kernel ML about it
Mar 29 16:57:14 <rhkfin> spaetz: hey you're cool! I respect people who have the courage to give up on their plans. I agree with others that using 'stable' might be interpreted as 'not many bugs' or similar. Thank you fr your work on maintaining -testing!
Mar 29 17:02:01 * blindcoder just ordered his HTC Dream :-)
Mar 29 17:08:24 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: good work :)
Mar 29 17:09:27 <Martix> LHC http://twitter.com/cern :-)
Mar 29 17:10:32 <ThibG> the AUX-LED blinking means Kernel Panick, doesn't it?
Mar 29 17:10:39 <mrmoku> yup
Mar 29 17:10:50 <ThibG> ok
Mar 29 17:10:59 <ThibG> any idea how to know why?
Mar 29 17:11:03 <ThibG> (nothing on screen)
Mar 29 17:16:18 <Wonka> ThibG: two ways: 1. have debugboard connected with flex cable and serial console open when panic happens
Mar 29 17:16:50 <Wonka> ThibG: 2., not as reliable, have an 1mb dmesg ring buffer at end of ram that can be read after a soft reboot
Mar 29 17:16:56 <DocScrutinizer> ThibG: mrmoku: except when werner's prohibitive uBoot charger kicks in
Mar 29 17:17:21 <ThibG> DocScrutinizer, meaning?
Mar 29 17:17:28 <Wonka> ThibG: don't know from my head how 2. works though
Mar 29 17:17:39 <ThibG> Wonka, ok, thanks. I have a debug board, but I've never used it
Mar 29 17:17:42 <ThibG> time to learn, I guess :)
Mar 29 17:17:50 <DocScrutinizer> when connecting to charger/host, then red flashing may occur on low bat
Mar 29 17:18:04 <ThibG> oh, ok DocScrutinizer, thanks
Mar 29 17:21:32 <lindi-> Wonka: ramconsole should be totally reliable on panic
Mar 29 17:21:59 <lindi-> Wonka: it's unreliable only if you need to remove battery to force reboot (with panic you can use panic=60 to have it automatically reboot on panic)
Mar 29 17:23:41 <ThibG> lindi-, hm, how does that work?
Mar 29 17:31:02 <morphis> heyho
Mar 29 17:39:20 <lindi-> ThibG: which part?
Mar 29 17:40:38 <daniele_athome> have you ever tried to obtain the networkstatus while gsm modem is down?
Mar 29 17:40:56 <daniele_athome> accessing the properties hashtable will cause segfault
Mar 29 17:47:21 <pespin> is call sound working on last upgrades?
Mar 29 17:47:47 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * rdb458ce3c271 10/palmpre/preboot/ (data/themes/default/default.edc src/main.vala): palmpre/preboot: some more work, we have now a view and a controller
Mar 29 17:47:48 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r1f7930b6712a 10/palmpre/libhid-stub/ (11 files in 2 dirs): libhid-stub: Initial commit
Mar 29 17:47:49 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r9011f1df31e4 10/palmpre/hid-uinput/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Remove hid-uinput as we now use tslib-hid for communication with the hid daemon
Mar 29 17:47:50 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r95c3871afaa9 10/palmpre/webos-libs/ (4 files in 4 dirs): webos-libs: bugfixing ...
Mar 29 17:47:57 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, ping
Mar 29 17:49:23 <JesusMcCloud> Weiss, are you running 2.6.32.10 ?
Mar 29 17:49:32 <ThibG> lindi-, everything :)
Mar 29 17:49:48 <ThibG> have messages in the RAM, retrieve them
Mar 29 17:50:51 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, did you get 2.6.32.10 to work? i am not sure but i think it at both my sd cards and also i am fairly certain it ate my grandma..
Mar 29 17:55:59 <Weiss> JesusMcCloud: err.. whatever om-2.6.32 is based on
Mar 29 18:00:24 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r17c16b5818b2 10/fsodeviced/conf/htc_qualcomm_dream/fsodeviced.conf: fsodeviced: conf/htc_qualcomm_dream: fix KEYBOARD switch to toggle portrait/landscape
Mar 29 18:01:46 <lindi-> ThibG: the ramconsole patch is in bugs.openmoko.org
Mar 29 18:01:54 <ThibG> ok
Mar 29 18:05:07 <ThibG> hm, how to connect the debugboard to the GTA02?
Mar 29 18:09:34 <ThibG> nevermind, found http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/freerunner-debug-setup.html :)
Mar 29 18:12:16 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: did not try yet
Mar 29 18:13:33 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, ping me if you sd get wrecked, it would comfort me to know that my hardware is still fully alive
Mar 29 18:13:45 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: ok :P
Mar 29 18:13:58 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: waiting for my build to finish first...
Mar 29 18:15:40 <JesusMcCloud> i wrecked both my sd cards (system was running from sd)
Mar 29 18:17:12 <sylarpowa> hi, I have noticed that the shr-unstable gta01 build is somewhere broken
Mar 29 18:18:17 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: we can't test gta01 builds because we don't have one. So you have to tell us what's wrong
Mar 29 18:19:32 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: the touchscreen seems not to work, when I have to select the language at the first boot, if I press the screen it gets at full brightness but no event is called, so I cannot press the button
Mar 29 18:21:04 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: you should login over ssh and run xinput-calibrator script
Mar 29 18:21:28 <Heinervdm> or find out the correct values, so that we can provide a correct kernel calibration
Mar 29 18:23:23 <ThibG> any tip to connect the flexible ribbon cable to the GTA02? :/
Mar 29 18:23:27 <sylarpowa> yeah, solved with xinput_calibrator
Mar 29 18:24:22 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: it would be very good if you can find out the correct values for the /etc/Xsession.d/...calibration script
Mar 29 18:24:47 <Heinervdm> not the xinput.pointercal values, the other ones
Mar 29 18:25:01 <Heinervdm> then we can have correct calibration on boot
Mar 29 18:25:05 <Heinervdm> on install
Mar 29 18:25:42 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: those values? ENV{x11_options.calibration}="64 947 946 77"
Mar 29 18:26:00 <Heinervdm> let me check
Mar 29 18:27:00 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: no, from 89xTs_Calibrate
Mar 29 18:27:23 <Heinervdm> line 20 to 27
Mar 29 18:28:01 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa:  /etc//X11/Xsession.d/89xTs_Calibrate
Mar 29 18:28:11 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: ok, nopasting..
Mar 29 18:28:20 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: no
Mar 29 18:28:30 <Heinervdm> those values are the ones we used
Mar 29 18:28:30 <sylarpowa> ?
Mar 29 18:28:35 <Heinervdm> but they are wrong
Mar 29 18:28:36 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r2381da84440e 10/zhone2/src/ (deviceagent.vala main.vala page.vala): zhone2: prepare for handling key/switch input
Mar 29 18:28:40 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: ah ok
Mar 29 18:28:47 <Heinervdm> we need someone how can find the correct one
Mar 29 18:29:11 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: but where can I find them?..
Mar 29 18:29:13 <Heinervdm> Weiss: how did you find out the calibration values for the TS?
Mar 29 18:29:52 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: Weiss found those values for the gta02, so we wait for an answer from him :)
Mar 29 18:30:01 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: ok
Mar 29 18:32:17 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi I'm diffing and booting while oe is compiling an image for another device
Mar 29 18:32:35 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I bet it's one of the following:
Mar 29 18:32:49 <GNUtoo> CONFIG_CONSOLE_EARLYSUSPEND=y
Mar 29 18:32:49 <GNUtoo> # CONFIG_FB_EARLYSUSPEND is not set
Mar 29 18:33:06 <mickeyl> which one has it set? OE or levß
Mar 29 18:33:07 <mickeyl> ?
Mar 29 18:36:05 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r799d97c22235 10/palmpre/ (44 files in 12 dirs): palmpre: Rename tslib to tslib-hid
Mar 29 18:37:19 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: hmm, he seems to be away. And i think he found them by trial and error.
Mar 29 18:37:47 <Weiss> sylarpowa, Heinervdm: by a process of guesswork and experimentation, converging on those values
Mar 29 18:38:16 <sylarpowa> so what can we do?
Mar 29 18:38:26 <Heinervdm> Weiss: do you know what which value means?
Mar 29 18:39:00 <Heinervdm> on gta01 the axises are swaped some users reported
Mar 29 18:39:22 <Weiss> if the values are a,b,c,d,e,f, it's something like x'=ax+by+c, y'=dx+ey+c, but the source code tells the whole story
Mar 29 18:40:02 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, it's that
Mar 29 18:40:24 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, in User-space screen access
Mar 29 18:40:39 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, change to CONFIG_CONSOLE_EARLYSUSPEND
Mar 29 18:40:43 <GNUtoo> and it'll work
Mar 29 18:41:08 <mickeyl> awesome
Mar 29 18:41:11 <mickeyl> excellent find, thanks!
Mar 29 18:41:14 <GNUtoo> try it
Mar 29 18:41:25 <GNUtoo> I'll go to eat
Mar 29 18:41:29 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: if you want to contribute sth, it would be nice if you can find those values. but i can't give you hints...
Mar 29 18:41:34 <mrmoku> mickeyl: libgee-native fails building...
Mar 29 18:41:35 <mrmoku> linkedlist.vala:242.10-242.14: error: missing generic type arguments return _head.data;
Mar 29 18:41:59 <graziano> oooo
Mar 29 18:42:07 <graziano> finally some time to test shr again!
Mar 29 18:42:16 * graziano downloads latest testing...
Mar 29 18:42:19 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: to try you now have to delete or rename /etc/xinput.pointercal change the values in that file and restart x
Mar 29 18:43:15 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: perhaps we can calculate then a bit...
Mar 29 18:43:48 <sylarpowa> mmm
Mar 29 18:44:47 <Heinervdm> if we compare gta02 values of xinput.pointercal with your values from there
Mar 29 18:46:14 <Heinervdm> min_x=0, max_x=1023 and min_y=0, max_y=1023
Mar 29 18:46:26 <Heinervdm> hmm, no that can't be
Mar 29 18:47:21 <sylarpowa> Heinervdm: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FNPZtAtk
Mar 29 18:48:39 <Heinervdm> i'm getting Unable to connect to X server
Mar 29 18:48:49 <Heinervdm> so can't call xinput_calibrator
Mar 29 18:48:56 <sylarpowa> strange..
Mar 29 18:49:19 <mickeyl> mrmoku: compiles fine here, your vala version on the buildhost might be too old
Mar 29 18:49:38 <mrmoku> mickeyl: it's a build from scratch on my laptop
Mar 29 18:49:39 <sylarpowa> where is libeggdbus supposed to be?
Mar 29 18:49:57 <mickeyl> mrmoku: do you have vala on the laptop?
Mar 29 18:50:07 <mickeyl> arr wait
Mar 29 18:50:15 <mickeyl> libgee-native is a release version, isn't it?
Mar 29 18:50:20 <mickeyl> it's not supposed to call vala at all
Mar 29 18:50:48 <mrmoku> hmm... it does call vala though
Mar 29 18:50:57 <mrmoku> tmp/work/x86_64-linux/vala-native-0.7.10.281-f8b8-dirty-r0.0/
Mar 29 18:51:00 <mrmoku> is what OE built
Mar 29 18:51:02 <mickeyl> timestamp issues?
Mar 29 18:51:11 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: ok, mine are: 20 1007 4 1014
Mar 29 18:51:18 <mrmoku> 0002 mok@gonzales[pts/2]:~/shrbuild/shr-unstable-> valac --version
Mar 29 18:51:18 <mrmoku> Vala 0.7.10
Mar 29 18:51:23 <mrmoku> is what the host has installed
Mar 29 18:51:31 <mickeyl> might be a broken version
Mar 29 18:51:35 <mickeyl> use FSOs
Mar 29 18:51:40 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: you see last 2 are swaped
Mar 29 18:51:45 <mrmoku> does it not use the one OE builds?
Mar 29 18:51:46 <graziano> mmmm question, spaetz is the illume2 in latest shr-t something usable? Last time I tried illume2 it crashed a lot
Mar 29 18:51:50 <mickeyl> ah you mean that is that
Mar 29 18:51:54 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: it's the y axis
Mar 29 18:52:05 <mickeyl> sure that no other libvala is installed on that host?
Mar 29 18:52:29 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: and other values are in a similar range
Mar 29 18:52:39 * mrmoku yum removes vala and retries
Mar 29 18:52:58 <mickeyl> besides the fact that it should really not call vala
Mar 29 18:53:10 <mickeyl> perhaps there was a time glitch
Mar 29 18:53:15 <Heinervdm> sylarpowa: you can activate the coursor in /etc/X11/XServer to see where it moves
Mar 29 18:53:16 <mickeyl> did you build that last night?
Mar 29 18:53:20 <mickeyl> (summertime / wintertime)
Mar 29 18:53:37 <mrmoku> mickeyl: heh, started yesterday night
Mar 29 18:53:42 <mickeyl> hah
Mar 29 18:53:44 <mickeyl> :D
Mar 29 18:53:48 <mrmoku> :P
Mar 29 18:53:50 <mrmoku> how to fix?
Mar 29 18:53:56 <mickeyl> bbnew
Mar 29 18:54:10 <mrmoku> bbnew?
Mar 29 18:54:30 <mickeyl> bbnew () 
Mar 29 18:54:30 <mickeyl> { 
Mar 29 18:54:30 <mickeyl>     nice -n 20 bitbake -c clean -b $1 && nice -n 20 bitbake $BBD -b $1
Mar 29 18:54:30 <mickeyl> }
Mar 29 18:54:43 <mickeyl> or something along that line
Mar 29 18:55:22 * mickeyl often uses that to rebuild, hence i made it a shell func
Mar 29 18:55:33 <mrmoku> hmm... the build failed at night with openssl-native though... which is early in the chain
Mar 29 18:55:55 <mickeyl> didn't koen fix that yet?
Mar 29 18:56:04 <mrmoku> yep, pulled that today... and restarted
Mar 29 18:56:17 <mickeyl> we should work on an OE tree that moves slower
Mar 29 18:56:25 <mickeyl> we are losing time 
Mar 29 18:56:30 <spaetz> graziano, no cclue, never tried illume2
Mar 29 18:56:31 <mrmoku> heh, yes
Mar 29 18:56:32 <mickeyl> fighting against so many build issues
Mar 29 18:56:49 <spaetz> yes, we are indeed
Mar 29 18:57:14 <Heinervdm> stable/2010
Mar 29 18:57:41 <mickeyl> pb_: can you hear us? ;)
Mar 29 18:58:14 <graziano> spaetz, I see latest testing still has that problem about launching apps while trying to scroll icons in the home page
Mar 29 18:58:37 <graziano> but ehi new splash screen is awesome :)
Mar 29 18:58:51 <Heinervdm> graziano: we need someone who findes the cause...
Mar 29 18:59:33 <graziano> Heinervdm, I was not complaining, just sharing my little findings
Mar 29 19:00:53 <Heinervdm> graziano: and i try to get more people hunting bugs :)
Mar 29 19:00:55 <ThibG> huh, I think I need some help with setting up serial port using the debug board...
Mar 29 19:01:25 <graziano> Heinervdm, :))
Mar 29 19:02:58 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hmm... it is building libgee from git
Mar 29 19:03:23 <mickeyl> ah
Mar 29 19:03:25 <mickeyl> that would explain
Mar 29 19:03:38 <mickeyl> 0.5 release should do
Mar 29 19:03:51 <mickeyl> oh
Mar 29 19:03:53 <mickeyl> wait
Mar 29 19:04:02 <mickeyl> commit a86abd4240622ec377bbc5773850a4593e13f7eb
Mar 29 19:04:02 <mickeyl> Author: Jürg Billeter <j@bitron.ch>
Mar 29 19:04:02 <mickeyl> Date:   Sun Mar 21 19:49:28 2010 +0100
Mar 29 19:04:02 <mickeyl>     Fix build with vala master
Mar 29 19:04:05 <mickeyl> time to bump :)
Mar 29 19:04:16 <mrmoku> :)
Mar 29 19:04:27 <mrmoku> bump to a86abd4240622ec377bbc5773850a4593e13f7eb ?
Mar 29 19:04:46 <mickeyl> yep
Mar 29 19:04:51 <mickeyl> both -native and 
Mar 29 19:05:12 <mickeyl> ptitjes seems to be gone for good :/
Mar 29 19:05:16 <mickeyl> ~seen ptitjes
Mar 29 19:05:18 <apt> ptitjes <n=didier@93.2.7.183> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 96d 20h 54m 52s ago, saying: 'or advocating that'.
Mar 29 19:05:24 <mrmoku> yeah... lost in the mountains
Mar 29 19:05:37 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Mar 29 19:05:40 <mickeyl> too bad
Mar 29 19:05:43 <mrmoku> ok, will bump
Mar 29 19:05:45 <mrmoku> thanks
Mar 29 19:05:48 <mickeyl> thank
Mar 29 19:05:49 <mickeyl> s
Mar 29 19:06:22 <pb_> mickeyl: heh, right, we should totally do that
Mar 29 19:09:31 * mickeyl watches 2500 tasks to go... guess i should rm -rf my tree less often
Mar 29 19:16:58 <pespin> mrmoku, TAsn, call volume bug is preventing me to use shr as daily phone right now, hope you solve that soon :S
Mar 29 19:17:10 <mrmoku> pespin: which kernel?
Mar 29 19:18:48 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I bet it works if you commited it
Mar 29 19:18:48 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I did that too....
Mar 29 19:18:49 <GNUtoo> NOTE: Running task 3414 of 5752 (ID: 2411, /home/embedded/oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb, do_compile)
Mar 29 19:18:51 <GNUtoo> I started yesterday 
Mar 29 19:18:52 <GNUtoo> or maybe before
Mar 29 19:18:52 <GNUtoo> I don't remember
Mar 29 19:18:53 <GNUtoo> pespin, shr-u ? 
Mar 29 19:18:55 <GNUtoo> also I had issues with phone apps beeing blank
Mar 29 19:18:55 <GNUtoo> in shr-u with om-gta02
Mar 29 19:18:56 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I bet you didn't have packaged staging
Mar 29 19:21:24 <mrmoku> mickeyl: libgee-native built fine :)
Mar 29 19:21:28 <mickeyl> mrmoku: good
Mar 29 19:21:38 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: packaged-staging never did what i expected it to do
Mar 29 19:21:41 <mickeyl> so i disabled it
Mar 29 19:21:51 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 19:22:00 <mickeyl> i should give a second look
Mar 29 19:22:05 <mickeyl> you using it w/ success?
Mar 29 19:22:14 <GNUtoo> should I disable it,I just enabled it for bug 1.x builds
Mar 29 19:22:45 <GNUtoo> I don't know....I didn't rm -rf oetmp yet
Mar 29 19:23:37 <GNUtoo> when I had theses autotools issue I decided to rebuild from scratch because of the lack of time to fix them
Mar 29 19:23:39 <pespin> mrmoku, 29 if it wasn't changed by opkg upgrade at some time
Mar 29 19:23:47 <pespin> GNUtoo, yep, shr-u
Mar 29 19:24:41 <GNUtoo> and it worked
Mar 29 19:24:45 <GNUtoo> so I thought that while I was rebuilding from scratch I could inherit packaged staging
Mar 29 19:24:45 <GNUtoo> pespin, ok, do you have phone apps that display a blank window instead of their content?
Mar 29 19:26:12 <pespin> GNUtoo, no hehe
Mar 29 19:26:24 <pespin> I can't hear anything from other side
Mar 29 19:26:41 <pespin> and when I start the call, Voice slider is set to 0
Mar 29 19:27:43 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 19:28:46 <von_fritz> pespin have you tried to reinstall fsodeviced?
Mar 29 19:30:29 <mrmoku> pespin: hmm... I upgraded half an hour ago... just did a test call
Mar 29 19:30:31 <mrmoku> for me it works
Mar 29 19:31:16 <pespin> von_fritz, I've read in ml that that dooesn't work (at least understood that)
Mar 29 19:31:37 <pespin> mrmoku, I've tried to upgrade some minutes ago hoping there was a fix... and there weren't any new upgrade :S
Mar 29 19:32:04 <von_fritz> mrmoku, for me to but i had this issue last week and I have solved with reinstalling fsodeviced
Mar 29 19:33:11 <von_fritz> with latest upgrade no prob
Mar 29 19:40:46 <von_fritz> for now :)
Mar 29 19:44:30 <mrmoku> von_fritz: want me to commit something? ;)
Mar 29 19:46:57 <mickeyl> how do i replace a string in autotools?
Mar 29 19:47:01 <mickeyl> i.e. a configure.ac
Mar 29 19:47:50 <mickeyl> nm, will call sed
Mar 29 19:50:56 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1bb362398c78 10/fsousaged/ (configure.ac vapi/config.vapi): fsousaged: gather dbus system services during configure step
Mar 29 20:09:36 * Weiss tried the latest SHR-t just now, and couldn't see any of his SMSes/contacts - although registration seemed to work. is that a known problem?
Mar 29 20:09:49 <Weiss> flashing back to what I was using before, since I really need to be contactable right now
Mar 29 20:10:14 <Wonka> i seem to remember SIM access flew out of opimd
Mar 29 20:10:27 <Wonka> that would be why there's no more SIM access :I
Mar 29 20:10:48 <Weiss> ah..
Mar 29 20:11:16 <Wonka> but there's someone building an importer
Mar 29 20:11:56 * Weiss remembers reading about no more SIM access in here before..
Mar 29 20:12:06 <Weiss> in favour of holding contacts/SMS on phone?
Mar 29 20:13:22 <Wonka> yes, in some DB which would be there anyways
Mar 29 20:13:38 <Martix> seems like some kind of distro or device lock-in :-)
Mar 29 20:13:52 <Weiss> hehe
Mar 29 20:14:11 <Weiss> it's not lock-in if you have the manual of how to read/write..
Mar 29 20:14:28 <Martix> or tool - Pisi
Mar 29 20:16:59 <GNUtoo> leviathan, hi
Mar 29 20:17:09 <leviathan> GNUtoo: hi
Mar 29 20:17:23 <GNUtoo> leviathan, do you still have an old kernel when wifi worked?
Mar 29 20:17:33 <GNUtoo> because I wonder if it also says:
Mar 29 20:17:47 <GNUtoo> [  142.130645] WARNING: at drivers/mmc/core/core.c:621 mmc_set_clock+0x2c/0x5c()
Mar 29 20:21:47 <leviathan> hmm
Mar 29 20:21:50 <leviathan> ours
Mar 29 20:21:51 <leviathan> yes
Mar 29 20:21:56 <leviathan> you remember
Mar 29 20:22:01 <leviathan> the replicants one? ;-)
Mar 29 20:22:04 <leviathan> there it worked
Mar 29 20:22:07 <leviathan> but sound was crap
Mar 29 20:22:10 <leviathan> graphics too
Mar 29 20:22:22 <leviathan> worst case: I port all the driver back to 2.6.29
Mar 29 20:22:33 <leviathan> but very unsexy thought >_<
Mar 29 20:24:12 <GNUtoo> leviathan, look there are things for waiting
Mar 29 20:24:21 <GNUtoo> msmsdcc_delay
Mar 29 20:24:47 <GNUtoo> leviathan, also mickeyl want 2.6.31
Mar 29 20:25:10 <GNUtoo> s/31/32
Mar 29 20:27:37 <mickeyl> we really need .32 for devtmpfs
Mar 29 20:30:08 <leviathan> yes
Mar 29 20:30:14 <leviathan> so we need to fix this mmc issue
Mar 29 20:30:20 <leviathan> but its not so simple...
Mar 29 20:30:31 <leviathan> btw: I found a 16-core server in the intranet
Mar 29 20:30:41 <leviathan> I'm running bitbake atm on it
Mar 29 20:30:43 <leviathan> seems okee
Mar 29 20:30:53 <leviathan> I hope I'm allowed to do this
Mar 29 20:31:09 <leviathan> technically I can login... so
Mar 29 20:31:16 <leviathan> I guess its ok, I'm using this power ^^
Mar 29 20:34:39 <leviathan> GNUtoo: its seems ok for me
Mar 29 20:34:42 <leviathan> the driver
Mar 29 20:35:04 <leviathan> I could try to replace it by the most actual one from upstream
Mar 29 20:35:09 <leviathan> and look if it works
Mar 29 20:35:14 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 20:35:21 <leviathan> but it will not happen this night
Mar 29 20:35:23 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 20:35:31 <leviathan> i need to solve complex analysis first for tomorrow
Mar 29 20:35:32 <leviathan> >_<
Mar 29 20:35:50 <leviathan> and implement some java code
Mar 29 20:35:57 <leviathan> itterative ackermann
Mar 29 20:36:02 <leviathan> and oh yes
Mar 29 20:36:13 <leviathan> analysis2 I guess
Mar 29 20:36:16 <leviathan> hmm
Mar 29 20:36:24 <playya_> lovly ackermann function
Mar 29 20:36:29 <leviathan> yeah
Mar 29 20:36:37 <leviathan> I hacked around to make it work
Mar 29 20:36:46 <leviathan> not much lines
Mar 29 20:36:57 <leviathan> but ugly ternere operators
Mar 29 20:37:07 <leviathan> for removing the recursivity ^_^"
Mar 29 20:56:18 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I'm not allowed to overstep 1gig hdd space >_<
Mar 29 20:56:37 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 20:57:47 <GNUtoo> how can oe take less than 1gig...mmmm
Mar 29 20:57:58 <GNUtoo> sshfs?
Mar 29 20:58:05 <GNUtoo> would be slow as hell
Mar 29 21:00:04 <JaMa|Off> NOTE: Running task 10261 of 14523
Mar 29 21:01:09 <JaMa|Off> building from swap is not fun.. last few tasks are building for last 9 hours or so
Mar 29 21:02:42 <leviathan> hmm
Mar 29 21:02:48 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I think I solved it
Mar 29 21:02:53 <leviathan> found a monted hdd
Mar 29 21:02:59 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ok
Mar 29 21:03:01 <leviathan> locally on the 16-core machine
Mar 29 21:03:07 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 21:03:07 <leviathan> with 460Gig hdd
Mar 29 21:03:10 <GNUtoo> wow
Mar 29 21:03:15 <leviathan> I guess it doesnt have quota xD
Mar 29 21:03:21 <GNUtoo> ok
Mar 29 21:04:45 <leviathan> ok
Mar 29 21:04:50 <leviathan> so now I can let it build
Mar 29 21:04:56 <leviathan> and take a look tomorrow ^^
Mar 29 21:05:17 <leviathan> I'll then copy it into my www-dir
Mar 29 21:05:18 <leviathan> under
Mar 29 21:05:30 <leviathan> http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~davidlan/
Mar 29 21:05:31 <leviathan> :)
Mar 29 21:05:38 <leviathan> atm theres just a dummy page
Mar 29 21:05:56 <leviathan> I'll modify as soon as I have compiled it ^^
Mar 29 21:06:32 <leviathan> GNUtoo: the strange thing is
Mar 29 21:06:36 <leviathan> they have a local hdd
Mar 29 21:06:40 <leviathan> but do not use it
Mar 29 21:06:45 <leviathan> 0% used
Mar 29 21:06:48 <leviathan> 100% available
Mar 29 21:06:53 <leviathan> of 460GB
Mar 29 21:07:04 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ok
Mar 29 21:09:03 <TAsn> pespin, It's also preventing me (that, and another issue)
Mar 29 21:09:25 <TAsn> and to tell you the truth, I'm too busy to look until the weekend, at least.
Mar 29 21:10:21 <pespin> mrmoku, ^ you see, I'm not a fool! :P
Mar 29 21:11:24 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud|afk, pong.
Mar 29 21:12:03 <JesusMcCloud> (good timing)
Mar 29 21:12:13 <TAsn> not really as I'm a bit tired :P
Mar 29 21:12:16 <TAsn> But go ahead.
Mar 29 21:12:22 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, its a quick questio
Mar 29 21:12:27 <GNUtoo> #define ETIMEDOUT       110     /* Connection timed out */ 
Mar 29 21:12:28 <GNUtoo> mmm
Mar 29 21:12:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, pim on a shared partition: we first need opimd to run on the session bus.
Mar 29 21:12:42 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, you have 10 mins or less :P
Mar 29 21:13:33 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, i am not sure but i think .32.10 ate both my sd cards. i reformatted doubel checked, it boots on fr (the first couple of times) and then it borks my sd
Mar 29 21:13:58 <TAsn> sucks :P
Mar 29 21:14:06 <TAsn> but, at least: Thank god I didn't upgrade ;P
Mar 29 21:14:09 <JaMa> ThibG: ping
Mar 29 21:14:18 <ThibG> JaMa, pong
Mar 29 21:14:39 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, if you experence the same problem lemme know, i wanna be sure my hardware si still ok
Mar 29 21:14:39 <JaMa> ThibG: what is azerty keyboard in bug http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/883 ? 
Mar 29 21:15:05 <JaMa> ThibG: I have ecore with XIM enabled.. and I cannot find azerty illume keyboard in feeds
Mar 29 21:15:06 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, .32.10: I'm not touching that yet.
Mar 29 21:15:19 <TAsn> JaMa, there is one
Mar 29 21:15:23 <TAsn> I remember adding it
Mar 29 21:15:23 <ThibG> JaMa, it's French keyboard
Mar 29 21:15:35 <ThibG> however, it somehow disappeared recently
Mar 29 21:15:45 <ThibG> not showing in illume, I mean
Mar 29 21:15:50 <JaMa> illume-keyboard-french right?
Mar 29 21:15:53 <ThibG> yeah
Mar 29 21:16:12 <JaMa> IIRC I didn't see some keybs in illume2 (which works in illume1)
Mar 29 21:16:17 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, wuld you mind tsting it on a spare sd if you have the time i need my phoen and my spare phone sucks. i think i fubar'd my speaker there
Mar 29 21:16:28 <ThibG> I've sent my modification to shr-dev some times ago
Mar 29 21:16:40 <ThibG> I don't think it's in SHR, though
Mar 29 21:16:45 <JesusMcCloud> btw .32.10 works nicely on flash, but i hate flash
Mar 29 21:16:47 <ThibG> anyway, I can provide my modified keyboard
Mar 29 21:17:00 <JaMa> I just installed it from my shr-u build
Mar 29 21:17:11 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, to tell you the truth, there's the "pepsin bug" (mic sensitivity control) which I will address first when I have the time.
Mar 29 21:17:17 <JaMa> ThibG: it was moved to e17/illume-keyboards-shr_git.bb long ago
Mar 29 21:17:43 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, you arre playign aroufd with newer kernels aswell, right?
Mar 29 21:18:39 <JaMa> ThibG: I guess that you're talking about last patch still sitting in our patchwork, because IIRC somebody said that it doesn't apply now
Mar 29 21:18:44 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: Y
Mar 29 21:19:12 <[Rui]> so, how safe is it to upgrade today? :)(
Mar 29 21:19:16 <ThibG> JaMa, don't know, I've sent a mail, and I hadn't any reply
Mar 29 21:19:20 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, it might eat sd cards, but i cant rule out a hw defect
Mar 29 21:19:31 <JaMa> [Rui]: buildhost is building whole day and nothing finished yet ;)
Mar 29 21:19:42 <[Rui]> JaMa: hehe :)
Mar 29 21:20:08 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: I always test newer versions before pushing to oe.. so it didn't eat any uSD for me..
Mar 29 21:20:40 <JesusMcCloud> crud! freerunner without sd sucks
Mar 29 21:20:57 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: but mrmoku also reported that .10 has more problems booting from uSD than .9 had.. strange as with .10 I pushed only one additional patch
Mar 29 21:21:26 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, botting is not the problem, but the filesystem got totally messed up
Mar 29 21:21:36 <JaMa> and that was for glamo-display.c
Mar 29 21:21:47 <JesusMcCloud> it boots acouple of times, and then BAM! errors all over the place
Mar 29 21:22:03 <mrmoku> JaMa: strange :/
Mar 29 21:22:17 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: and are you sure that .9 wouldn't do the same?
Mar 29 21:22:31 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: how long were you using .9 before switching to .10?
Mar 29 21:22:56 <Weiss> JaMa: hmm.. what needs patching?
Mar 29 21:23:12 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, i never used .9 but .10 fubar'd my 2 sd cards in 2 days
Mar 29 21:23:51 <JaMa> Weiss: nothing.. I just added your gdrm patch http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=7d10368cf1c59d5b474a27bb81b09dbe03e1862f while bumping from 2.6.32.9 to 2.6.32.10
Mar 29 21:24:13 <Weiss> ah, ok
Mar 29 21:25:52 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: ah.. then it's not new .10 issue, but whole 2.6.32 series :/ someone here reported that he had to use lower uSD speed to even boot it (usually it's enough to set longer rootwait/rootdelay) so maybe uSD breakage is simmilar for you..
Mar 29 21:26:29 <JesusMcCloud> well it always booted nicely until it got fucked up
Mar 29 21:26:40 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: it was that guy with "nodebug" kernel idea (genny.. or something like that was his nick)
Mar 29 21:26:57 <JesusMcCloud> hmmm
Mar 29 21:28:15 <JesusMcCloud> i'm a bit afraid of hw defects, because i did some soldering already...
Mar 29 21:28:40 <JaMa> ThibG: hmm just tried in illume1 too and it's not there (french) :/
Mar 29 21:28:52 <ThibG> yeah, that's what I meant :/
Mar 29 21:28:58 <ThibG> since I've reinstalled, it disappeard
Mar 29 21:29:18 <ThibG> didn't dig into that yet
Mar 29 21:34:20 <JaMa> ThibG: mv /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/french/Azerty.* /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ and e restart and I got Azerty
Mar 29 21:34:29 <ThibG> ok, thanks :)
Mar 29 21:34:49 <JaMa> ThibG: quotes should be really handled as dead key?
Mar 29 21:35:02 <ThibG> quotes?
Mar 29 21:35:07 <JaMa> "
Mar 29 21:35:10 <ThibG> oh, no, that aren't quotes
Mar 29 21:35:23 <ThibG> well, my current keyboard layout (on this computer) shows them as quotes
Mar 29 21:36:08 <ThibG> but that's the accents on ë and ï
Mar 29 21:36:12 <wbk> hallo :-)
Mar 29 21:42:15 <TAsn> spaetz, I hope you didn't get me wrong ;P
Mar 29 21:43:41 <TAsn> spaetz, I do appreciate your work and intentions, but I don't think we should release a "stable" release yet, sorry.
Mar 29 21:43:55 <spaetz> no offense taken. Although I still think we shiuld offer a working fallback set...
Mar 29 21:44:19 <TAsn> spaetz, I agree.
Mar 29 21:44:30 <TAsn> And I thought testing2009 is exactly that.
Mar 29 21:44:41 <TAsn> spaetz, I wrote 10 mails or so now in that topic :P
Mar 29 21:44:45 <TAsn> (replying to various people)
Mar 29 21:45:08 <TAsn> Look there, I had some related suggestions.
Mar 29 21:45:25 <mrmoku> after reading the mails... yep, a non changing (aka no upgrades) image is what we need
Mar 29 21:45:41 <spaetz> I  don't care about the naming, really.
Mar 29 21:46:19 <spaetz> It would just make a bunch of people happy...
Mar 29 21:47:34 <JaMa> we can remove opkg in do_rootfs phase (like I now do for jffs2 images :)
Mar 29 21:47:55 <JaMa> s/do /do with boot dir /
Mar 29 21:47:55 <apt> JaMa meant: we can remove opkg in do_rootfs phase (like I now do with boot dir for jffs2 images :)
Mar 29 21:48:35 <spaetz> is it being included du ing rootfs?
Mar 29 21:48:52 <JaMa> no only removed
Mar 29 21:54:13 <spaetz> TAsn, as for shr-t, I cannot  push bug fixes all the  time though. This would require more time (both in pushinng, building and testing) than I can  spend on shr-t. I can bump and test stuff ever y 3-4 weeks, probably.
Mar 29 21:55:00 <mrmoku> and then just set up a shr-working directory with good known to work images without feed config
Mar 29 21:56:48 <daniele_athome> hi mrmoku 
Mar 29 21:56:58 <daniele_athome> is 2.6.32 kernel usable with ogsmd/fsogsmd? :)
Mar 29 21:57:08 <daniele_athome> ie working
Mar 29 21:57:10 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: hey, saw a screenie of your stuff today :)
Mar 29 21:57:12 <mrmoku> nice
Mar 29 21:57:19 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, where?
Mar 29 21:57:29 <mrmoku> from sylar
Mar 29 21:57:39 <daniele_athome> oh
Mar 29 21:57:44 <daniele_athome> :) thanks
Mar 29 21:58:06 <daniele_athome> i wanted to keep it "secret" until I have something very much usable
Mar 29 21:58:20 <mrmoku> e ho letto il thread su tellefoninux ;)
Mar 29 21:58:21 <daniele_athome> and (sorry to tell you this) that can replace phonefsod at least
Mar 29 21:58:35 <daniele_athome> and the phone part of phoneuid
Mar 29 21:58:37 <daniele_athome> :)
Mar 29 21:58:39 <mrmoku> nah... don't have to be sorry :)
Mar 29 21:58:45 <TAsn> spaetz, sure thing.
Mar 29 21:58:58 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: competition is good for the business ;)
Mar 29 21:59:00 <spaetz> ok
Mar 29 21:59:07 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, are you subscribed to telefoninux forum?
Mar 29 21:59:14 <mrmoku> no
Mar 29 21:59:22 <TAsn> daniele_athome, mrmoku: I want to see pictures as well if I may.
Mar 29 21:59:28 <JaMa> can someone apply cookie 704? to SHR illume-keyboards.git? from ThibG here..
Mar 29 21:59:45 <mrmoku> JaMa: TAsn is the keyboard junkie ;)
Mar 29 22:00:00 <TAsn> bah :|
Mar 29 22:00:00 <TAsn> sec.
Mar 29 22:00:09 <JaMa> finally clean patchwork :)
Mar 29 22:00:09 <daniele_athome> TAsn, if you want them all, subscribe to telefoninux and see the thread
Mar 29 22:00:14 <daniele_athome> or search mokosuite on youtube
Mar 29 22:00:29 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: I'm almost finished porting phonefsod to libfso-glib and fsogsmd
Mar 29 22:00:29 <TAsn> daniele_athome, mind giving me a quick intro before?
Mar 29 22:00:30 <daniele_athome> there is a very small video but shows only a few stuff
Mar 29 22:00:32 <TAsn> (screenies of what?)
Mar 29 22:00:38 <mrmoku> and was trying that under 2.6.32.9
Mar 29 22:00:45 <daniele_athome> TAsn, my phone applications stack
Mar 29 22:00:48 <mrmoku> still some small glitches to solve
Mar 29 22:00:51 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, good news :)
Mar 29 22:01:08 <daniele_athome> i can't wait to switch to 2.6.32/fsogsmd and to qvga
Mar 29 22:01:09 <mrmoku> but basically we're almost there :)
Mar 29 22:01:10 <daniele_athome> at last :)
Mar 29 22:01:17 <TAsn> daniele_athome, qt/gtk/elementary?
Mar 29 22:01:20 <TAsn> what language?
Mar 29 22:01:25 <daniele_athome> i'm really tired of glamo slowness
Mar 29 22:01:28 <daniele_athome> TAsn, elementary, C language
Mar 29 22:01:41 <TAsn> daniele_athome, cool.
Mar 29 22:01:41 <daniele_athome> based on fso
Mar 29 22:01:45 <CIA-32> SHR: 03thib 07illume-keyboards * r587ad440e11f 10/french/Azerty.kbd: French keyboard improvement
Mar 29 22:01:57 <JaMa> TAsn: thanks
Mar 29 22:01:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, please remove it from patchwork though :P
Mar 29 22:02:01 <TAsn> np
Mar 29 22:02:19 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: how do you build? oe?
Mar 29 22:02:28 <JaMa> mrmoku: removed already :)
Mar 29 22:02:35 <mrmoku> thought so :)
Mar 29 22:02:36 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, yes using shr bitbake
Mar 29 22:02:51 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: if it is not secret anymore... send the bb :P
Mar 29 22:03:02 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, eheh don't have it yet :P
Mar 29 22:03:19 <daniele_athome> I always build it with a shell script
Mar 29 22:03:25 <daniele_athome> by my own
Mar 29 22:03:46 <JaMa> daniele_athome, mrmoku: are you talking about Neophysis, or is your work something different?
Mar 29 22:03:50 <daniele_athome> waiting for bitbake everytime is so boring
Mar 29 22:04:00 <daniele_athome> JaMa, no, NP has nothing to do with me
Mar 29 22:04:07 <JaMa> ah ok
Mar 29 22:04:12 <mrmoku> JaMa: completely different
Mar 29 22:04:20 <mrmoku> JaMa: a phonesuite on top of SHR
Mar 29 22:04:29 <daniele_athome> i want to actually make a common UI design and application framework (my final dream :)
Mar 29 22:04:32 * JaMa is lost in competitors :)
Mar 29 22:04:39 <daniele_athome> starting from a phonesuite
Mar 29 22:04:57 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, for now on top of SHR :P
Mar 29 22:05:04 <mrmoku> NOTE: Running task 6277 of 7407 
Mar 29 22:05:04 <daniele_athome> tomorrow... who knows ;)
Mar 29 22:05:07 <mrmoku> getting closer
Mar 29 22:05:10 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: sure ;)
Mar 29 22:05:21 <TAsn> daniele_athome, is it instead of illume as well?\
Mar 29 22:05:32 <daniele_athome> TAsn, yes it's a complete replacement
Mar 29 22:05:43 <daniele_athome> WM, panel, launchers, desktop with widgets
Mar 29 22:05:45 <JaMa> mrmoku: shr buildhost now running from swap finished fbreader after 2 hours :)
Mar 29 22:05:53 <TAsn> daniele_athome, you wrote your own WM?
Mar 29 22:05:59 <mrmoku> JaMa: heh :/
Mar 29 22:06:09 <daniele_athome> TAsn, for now it's customized matchbox
Mar 29 22:06:17 <TAsn> i c.
Mar 29 22:06:19 <TAsn> cool :P
Mar 29 22:06:35 * mrmoku dislikes illume2 :(
Mar 29 22:06:36 <daniele_athome> but i think writing my own should be better
Mar 29 22:06:41 <daniele_athome> eheh
Mar 29 22:06:41 <TAsn> We should really customize illume (which is unfortunately my job)
Mar 29 22:06:42 <spaetz> daniele_athome, no efl?
Mar 29 22:06:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, because it's terribly broken and not yet configured nicely :PY
Mar 29 22:07:06 <daniele_athome> spaetz, yes, mokosuite is based on elementary
Mar 29 22:07:06 <mrmoku> TAsn: probably :P
Mar 29 22:07:07 <TAsn> daniele_athome, I really think you should consider more code reuse and less forking :P
Mar 29 22:07:16 <daniele_athome> mmm
Mar 29 22:07:20 <daniele_athome> what do you mean TAsn?
Mar 29 22:07:46 <TAsn> daniele_athome, <daniele_athome> but i think writing my own should be better
Mar 29 22:08:01 <TAsn> I don't think you have enough man-power to do all of that.
Mar 29 22:08:09 <daniele_athome> TAsn, i think that embedded devices is a very small target for open source projects
Mar 29 22:08:11 <spaetz> and as soon as we configured lt nicely raster tells us thatt it's deprecated and illume3 is the next hot thing.
Mar 29 22:08:22 <TAsn> spaetz, probably :P
Mar 29 22:08:24 <daniele_athome> I mean, very few people develop onto them
Mar 29 22:08:29 <spaetz> :-)
Mar 29 22:08:46 <daniele_athome> finding a suitable WM for a smartphone is really a hard work
Mar 29 22:08:53 <TAsn> spaetz, though, I hope the fact that it's modular now will help us make the next transition :P
Mar 29 22:08:59 <daniele_athome> and matchbox is too slow (because it's too big)
Mar 29 22:09:02 <TAsn> daniele_athome, I agree.
Mar 29 22:09:08 <TAsn> daniele_athome, what's wrong about illume though?
Mar 29 22:09:14 <daniele_athome> we should write a very lightweight WM that does just the basic things
Mar 29 22:09:48 <daniele_athome> TAsn, we should talk about illume2
Mar 29 22:09:57 <JaMa> mrmoku: for me the worst illume2 feature is bottom panel, the rest is OK
Mar 29 22:09:58 <TAsn> daniele_athome, illume2 is supposed to be exactly that
Mar 29 22:10:07 <TAsn> you can essentially drop everything from there
Mar 29 22:11:14 <daniele_athome> TAsn, indeed I hope that i could use illume2 in my suite if it's so lightweight and it reflects my wishes
Mar 29 22:11:39 <TAsn> I really hope so too.
Mar 29 22:11:53 <daniele_athome> i have very particular wishes
Mar 29 22:11:59 <daniele_athome> android is my inspiration :P :)
Mar 29 22:12:37 <TAsn> cool enough.
Mar 29 22:12:41 <TAsn> Android is pretty awesome
Mar 29 22:12:52 <TAsn> daniele_athome, that's why you stole their topbar graphics ? :P
Mar 29 22:12:59 <daniele_athome> i think i will write (some day) an android based elementary theme :P
Mar 29 22:13:11 <daniele_athome> TAsn, is it too similar? :P
Mar 29 22:13:29 <mrmoku> JaMa: I like illumes flap down top panel
Mar 29 22:14:01 <TAsn> daniele_athome, Similar is not a powerful enough word to describe this resemblance :P
Mar 29 22:14:11 <daniele_athome> buahahah
Mar 29 22:14:12 <daniele_athome> :D
Mar 29 22:14:31 <daniele_athome> i really like it, what's wrong with that? :P
Mar 29 22:14:42 <TAsn> Nothing actually.
Mar 29 22:15:34 <daniele_athome> i think we all should learn from android
Mar 29 22:15:40 <TAsn> I do.
Mar 29 22:15:49 <daniele_athome> i mean linux embedded developers
Mar 29 22:15:55 <daniele_athome> especially ui designers
Mar 29 22:15:56 <TAsn> I play with iPhones/Android based/whatever
Mar 29 22:15:58 <TAsn> all the time.
Mar 29 22:16:05 <TAsn> daniele_athome, we don't have ui designers
Mar 29 22:16:12 <JaMa> TAsn: those icons http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=illume-keyboards.git;a=commit;h=8d08cff1b4ef7d2b34502cffc3066ac647446227 are still used in some Makefile :/ make install now fail
Mar 29 22:16:28 <daniele_athome> eheh TAsn because ui designer is the same person as the developer :)
Mar 29 22:16:45 <TAsn> JaMa, sorry? :P
Mar 29 22:16:55 <TAsn> JaMa, sec will take a look
Mar 29 22:17:13 <JaMa> mmt, rebuilding with tinderbox uncommented
Mar 29 22:17:17 <TAsn> you are right. :|
Mar 29 22:17:22 <JaMa> to show you the log
Mar 29 22:18:31 <TAsn> it's ok
Mar 29 22:18:34 <TAsn> I'm committing the fix
Mar 29 22:18:34 <TAsn> sec.
Mar 29 22:19:27 <TAsn> done.
Mar 29 22:19:38 <TAsn> And sorry. :|
Mar 29 22:19:51 <JaMa> no problem..
Mar 29 22:19:59 <CIA-32> SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r0cbd1b49a35a 10/Makefile: numeric-alt: Remove the need for removed files from makefile
Mar 29 22:20:27 <TAsn> daniele_athome, LOL: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/df9b662ea867434a12bd8c31c6e47ab8.png
Mar 29 22:20:36 <TAsn> that's essentially android :P
Mar 29 22:20:37 <von_fritz> screenies at scap, no need to subscribe to that shitty forum ;)
Mar 29 22:20:49 <daniele_athome> lol
Mar 29 22:20:51 <daniele_athome> who posted it???
Mar 29 22:20:54 <daniele_athome> damn :D
Mar 29 22:21:31 <TAsn> daniele_athome, but, cool enough, I like it.
Mar 29 22:21:35 <daniele_athome> :)
Mar 29 22:21:37 <TAsn> I really liked the WM part of android.
Mar 29 22:21:49 <TAsn> And I really like the top bar.
Mar 29 22:21:58 <daniele_athome> TAsn, you didn't see the phone app
Mar 29 22:22:00 <daniele_athome> and the settings app
Mar 29 22:22:03 <daniele_athome> wait a sec
Mar 29 22:22:06 <TAsn> Ok.
Mar 29 22:23:04 <mrmoku> the top bar is what I like too
Mar 29 22:23:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, that's ripable
Mar 29 22:23:14 <TAsn> :P
Mar 29 22:23:17 <mrmoku> tiny and decent
Mar 29 22:23:19 <mrmoku> yeah ;)
Mar 29 22:23:41 <daniele_athome> ehm
Mar 29 22:23:43 <TAsn> exactly.
Mar 29 22:23:43 <daniele_athome> TAsn, lol
Mar 29 22:23:44 <daniele_athome> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Mar 29 22:23:47 <daniele_athome> on home page :D
Mar 29 22:24:02 <TAsn> daniele_athome, looking.
Mar 29 22:25:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, I like the idle_screen black stripe at the top
Mar 29 22:26:06 <TAsn> I think we should implement something similar, what do you think?
Mar 29 22:26:30 <daniele_athome> TAsn, it's not idle_screen's
Mar 29 22:26:34 <daniele_athome> it's from the panel actually
Mar 29 22:26:47 <TAsn> I'm talking about "our" idle screen
Mar 29 22:27:03 <daniele_athome> lol sorry...
Mar 29 22:27:25 <mrmoku> TAsn: agree
Mar 29 22:27:35 <mrmoku> that one is nice and decent too
Mar 29 22:28:11 <TAsn> and slim :P
Mar 29 22:28:16 <TAsn> Maybe I'll just make that the top bar.
Mar 29 22:28:39 <mrmoku> question is where to put the buttons...
Mar 29 22:28:56 <mrmoku> to switch/close windows and such
Mar 29 22:29:15 <daniele_athome> TAsn, what if i want to use illume2 just as wm
Mar 29 22:29:31 <daniele_athome> without panels etc.
Mar 29 22:29:38 <daniele_athome> I mean without illume's panels
Mar 29 22:29:46 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: IIUC it is sooo modular that you could do anything
Mar 29 22:29:49 <daniele_athome> can I configure the wm behaviour?
Mar 29 22:30:54 <JesusMcCloud> daniele_athome, awesome!
Mar 29 22:31:17 <JaMa> TAsn: one more illume keyboard issue, ie azerty keyboard is installed in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/french/Azerty.* but ignoread and only keyboards in keyboards directory shown (is it illume bug?)
Mar 29 22:32:04 <TAsn> JaMa|Zzzz, not a bug
Mar 29 22:32:11 <TAsn> just a feature no one requested.
Mar 29 22:32:18 <TAsn> The correct way actually
Mar 29 22:32:32 <TAsn> would be putting the keyboard itself in the main dir
Mar 29 22:32:38 <TAsn> and the icon + everything else in a dir
Mar 29 22:32:41 <JaMa|Zzzz> so should illume-keyboards-shr install to keyboards dir directly?
Mar 29 22:32:50 <daniele_athome> :)
Mar 29 22:32:51 <TAsn> iirc that works (you need to adjust the keyboard file though)
Mar 29 22:32:53 <TAsn> JaMa|Zzzz, yes.
Mar 29 22:33:02 <TAsn> daniele_athome, terribly easy.
Mar 29 22:33:23 <TAsn> daniele_athome, you need to edit the e.cfg file
Mar 29 22:33:27 <TAsn> and remove 
Mar 29 22:33:37 <TAsn> the illume-home, illume-softkey
Mar 29 22:33:40 <daniele_athome> TAsn, by "behaviour" i mean defining which window to manage and how to manage them
Mar 29 22:33:41 <TAsn> and another thing I forgot :P
Mar 29 22:33:58 <daniele_athome> possibly filtering by window class and so on :)
Mar 29 22:34:06 <JaMa|Zzzz> TAsn: then Makefile in illume-keyboards.git should be updated a bit.. I guess
Mar 29 22:34:23 <JesusMcCloud> daniele_athome, you can set your app as "home" in illume2 very easily
Mar 29 22:35:01 <JaMa|Zzzz> TAsn: but if it worked before then something had to change a bit
Mar 29 22:35:43 <TAsn> probably.
Mar 29 22:35:55 <JesusMcCloud> daniele_athome, eve accesile through graphical config menu
Mar 29 22:36:08 <daniele_athome> i see
Mar 29 22:36:56 <daniele_athome> if someone would be sooo kind to make an illume2 configuration for mokosuite... and maybe test it :P
Mar 29 22:39:20 <daniele_athome> goodnight all!!!!
Mar 29 22:39:21 <daniele_athome> :)
Mar 29 22:39:53 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: gnight
Mar 29 22:40:02 * mrmoku off for bed too now
Mar 29 22:40:20 <mrmoku> TAsn: when do I get my topbar? :P
Mar 29 22:40:42 <TAsn> mrmoku, hopefully: next week.
Mar 29 22:40:48 <TAsn> probably: 1st of may :P
Mar 29 22:40:48 <mrmoku> ok
Mar 29 22:40:53 <mrmoku> :P
Mar 29 22:40:59 <mrmoku> ahh... and what do we do with git?
Mar 29 22:41:07 <mrmoku> tomorrow ram will be replaced
Mar 29 22:41:36 <TAsn> lets hope it'll fix it.
Mar 29 22:41:43 <mrmoku> hmm... will probably do a tarball of the repos before :P
Mar 29 22:41:45 <spaetz> does git.shr point to your box now?
Mar 29 22:41:48 <mrmoku> just in case
Mar 29 22:41:50 <mrmoku> spaetz: not yet
Mar 29 22:41:58 <spaetz> ok.
Mar 29 22:42:12 <TAsn> I just prefer not moving if not necessary as it's plain annoying to manage :P
Mar 29 22:42:40 <mrmoku> TAsn: what part? adding the port to your .git/config's ?
Mar 29 22:43:06 <TAsn> YES.
Mar 29 22:43:12 <TAsn> (and to the bb's)
Mar 29 22:43:19 <TAsn> oh nvm
Mar 29 22:43:20 <TAsn> no bbs
Mar 29 22:43:23 <mrmoku> :P
Mar 29 22:43:28 <TAsn> we already went through that.
Mar 29 22:43:32 <mrmoku> yup :)
Mar 29 22:43:35 <TAsn> so yeah, damn it :P
Mar 29 22:43:41 <TAsn> I don't want to edit my git config :)
Mar 29 22:43:48 <TAsn> (j/k, I don't really care)
Mar 29 22:43:57 <TAsn> Do whatever you want as long as it works :)
Mar 29 22:44:10 <spaetz> hehe
Mar 29 22:44:12 <mrmoku> I'll just get a tarball for now...
Mar 29 22:44:36 <mrmoku> if I don't forget... have to go to a client tomorrow morning
Mar 29 22:44:47 <mrmoku> and because of that... going to sleep now :P
Mar 29 22:44:49 <mrmoku> gnight all
Mar 29 22:46:15 <spaetz> night
Mar 29 23:02:05 <BillK> spaetz: noticed upgrade to shr-t is in build system - but its failing on fso-glib and mux for me - still checking, but should it be buildable?
Mar 29 23:05:30 <spaetz> BillK, I pushed bzt could not build myself yet, as OE git was down today.
Mar 29 23:05:56 <spaetz> I wanted to build tomorrow and test it.
Mar 29 23:06:24 <BillK> ok, I'll wait for now - tkx
Mar 29 23:07:03 <spaetz> np, pity that it fails to build
Mar 29 23:12:34 <BillK> spaetz: first error probably simple (fso-glib): "No package 'fso-specs' found"
Mar 29 23:15:31 <spaetz> ohh, there should be one. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
Mar 29 23:16:29 <wbk>  goodnight all
Mar 30 01:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Mar 30 01:30:50 <apt> from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Mar 30 01:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~#openmoko-cdevel flashing is http://wiki.openmoko.org/flashing
Mar 30 01:31:46 <apt> okay, DocScrutinizer
Mar 30 01:31:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Mar 30 01:31:54 <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.openmoko.org/flashing
Mar 30 01:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> ~literal flashing
Mar 30 01:32:06 <apt> "#openmoko-cdevel flashing" is "http://wiki.openmoko.org/flashing"
Mar 30 01:32:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~praise timriker :-D
Mar 30 01:32:37 <apt> All hail timriker :-D!
Mar 30 01:36:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~xxx
Mar 30 01:36:27 <apt> [xxx] yyy
Mar 30 01:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~xxx
Mar 30 01:45:00 <apt> i heard xxx is yyyXXX
Mar 30 01:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~literal xxx
Mar 30 01:45:13 <apt> "#openmoko xxx" is "yyyXXX"
Mar 30 01:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~nf
Mar 30 01:53:26 <apt> The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help)  - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL  - - -  NEWSFLASH [2010-03-28 21:09 UTC]:buildhost got rebooted... new RAM will arrive beginning of next week
Mar 30 02:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~nf
Mar 30 02:02:54 <apt> The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help)  - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL  - - -  NEWSFLASH [2010-03-28 21:09 UTC]:buildhost got rebooted... new RAM will arrive beginning of next week
Mar 30 02:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~nf-help
Mar 30 02:03:07 <apt> >>list old content (~literal NF); ~forget #openmoko-cdevel NF; c&p and edit old content, then set new (~#openmoko-cdevel NF is <reply>whatever-new-content). The leading #openmoko-cdevel makes the factoid channel specific. If you edit in a query, you invoke by '#openmoko-cdevel NF'
Mar 30 02:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> moin raster :-)
Mar 30 02:10:08 <raster> DocScrutinizer: dook!
Mar 30 02:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~forget #openmoko xxx
Mar 30 02:11:11 <apt> i forgot #openmoko xxx, DocScrutinizer
Mar 30 02:11:52 <raster> DocScrutinizer:  how goes?
Mar 30 02:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~#openmoko-cdevel logs is <reply> logs are on http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily  ---  livelogs are http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
Mar 30 02:13:19 <apt> DocScrutinizer: okay
Mar 30 02:13:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~logs
Mar 30 02:13:25 <apt> logs are on http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily  ---  livelogs are http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
Mar 30 02:14:03 <DocScrutinizer> raster: losing my mind due to winter
Mar 30 02:14:37 <DocScrutinizer> just about to rip my N900 to pieces :-P
Mar 30 02:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> too much FUD about whether the leaked schematics are correct or not
Mar 30 02:18:29 <raster> DocScrutinizer: hahahahahhahahahaha
Mar 30 02:18:34 <raster> just because of schematics?
Mar 30 02:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> just to keep up with my image :-P
Mar 30 02:22:15 <DocScrutinizer> there's a BQ27200 battery monitor chip inside the brick. And none of the kernel hax0rs seems able to spot where it's accessed. Then FUD rises 'yayayay maybe this chip doesn't exist at all, and the schematics are of some prototype and changed a lot to MP" - so my patience expired some 4 hours ago
Mar 30 02:22:35 <DocScrutinizer> raster: USB-hostmode same issue
Mar 30 02:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia sprwading BS about why it's not possible. Nobody knows anything for sure. So I'll take a look and know at least *my* device has this or that circuit
Mar 30 02:24:53 <raster> open the sucker up
Mar 30 02:24:56 <raster> desolder chips
Mar 30 02:25:12 <raster> shave the top of chips off and use reverse lithography to get internals :)
Mar 30 02:25:16 <raster> then u'll know! :)
Mar 30 02:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Mar 30 02:26:50 <DocScrutinizer> done that - loooong ago
Mar 30 02:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> for now I plan to reassemble the whole thing
Mar 30 02:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> and continue to use it
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