**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 30 02:59:57 2010 Apr 30 05:35:54 ffalarms are not working again Apr 30 06:12:35 Q-Master: sorry for oversleeping then :P Apr 30 06:12:47 * mrmoku tries Apr 30 06:16:33 Q-Master: it woke up... and fired the alarm for me... works Apr 30 06:16:56 Q-Master: must be a more complicated problem then Apr 30 06:17:40 Q-Master: if you try that on a freshly booted, current SHR-U... does it work then? Apr 30 06:20:10 Q-Master: in my case, time gets changed and it rings, but some hour later... is it perhaps it? Apr 30 06:23:40 mickey|zzZZzz: fsogsmd segfault :( http://paste.debian.net/71313/ Apr 30 06:28:48 mrmoku: oops... the time is very wrong... Apr 30 07:09:37 moin Apr 30 07:10:19 moin Apr 30 07:13:19 JaMa: morning Apr 30 07:13:37 mrmoku: is there any possibility that shr-settings will be fixed? Apr 30 07:14:07 mrmoku: bumped efl again yesterday and shr-stetings is still here Apr 30 07:15:09 JaMa: do we still need fso-abyss? Apr 30 07:15:19 JaMa: heh... will build it but I bet it will still be away :P Apr 30 07:15:20 Q-Master: no Apr 30 07:15:37 why is it still there? 8) Apr 30 07:15:38 Q-Master: torture dos1 to fix it ;) Apr 30 07:15:46 (shr-settings) Apr 30 07:16:03 Q-Master: or better still... how's your python foo? :P Apr 30 07:16:24 mrmoku: rather good. Apr 30 07:16:30 * Q-Master don't know efl Apr 30 07:16:53 Q-Master: no Apr 30 07:17:04 removed it Apr 30 07:17:13 i am 'bout fso-abyss Apr 30 07:17:25 Q-Master: it's not in newer images Apr 30 07:17:46 not sure why it's not orphaned and removed by opkg in your install Apr 30 07:17:48 Q-Master: well... problems in shr-settings are less EFL related and more a problem with changed DBus-API :) Apr 30 07:18:12 http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=558333e8c8241f18779085271ad756fa7d7d2f41 Apr 30 07:18:14 JaMa: they're not. even fso-abyss-config is there Apr 30 07:18:19 and commit before that Apr 30 07:18:29 mrmoku: let me investigate this Apr 30 07:18:54 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100429-om-gta02-testlab/installed-packages.txt search abyss Apr 30 07:30:10 mrmoku: seems that shr-settings are not starting due to python elementary error Apr 30 07:30:39 it doesn't start or doesn't show icon for you? Apr 30 07:32:26 root@om-gta02 ~ # shr-settings Apr 30 07:32:26 SHR Settings Apr 30 07:32:27 Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 30 07:32:27 File "/usr/bin/shr-settings", line 24, in Apr 30 07:32:27 import elementary, ecore Apr 30 07:32:27 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/__init__.py", line 19, in Apr 30 07:32:29 from c_elementary import Object, Window, Background, Icon, \ Apr 30 07:32:31 ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/c_elementary.so: undefined symbol: elm_menu_item_data_get Apr 30 07:32:54 shr-unstable? Apr 30 07:32:55 it doesn't show icon, even after deleting everything and don't start Apr 30 07:32:58 yep Apr 30 07:33:25 opkg search /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary/c_elementary.so Apr 30 07:33:33 is the revision ending with 206? Apr 30 07:34:28 mrmoku: what about moving profile/elementary.sh to shr-settings? Apr 30 07:36:27 JaMa: python-elementary - 0.1+svnr48206-ml0.4 Apr 30 07:40:02 strange.. doesnt happen here Apr 30 07:42:28 seems that problem with shr-settings only Apr 30 07:45:30 * Q-Master reinstalled python-elementary and shr-settings. nothing changed Apr 30 08:05:06 JaMa: (elementary.sh) no opinion... probably good as shr-settings is the thing treating it Apr 30 08:05:09 * mrmoku has to run Apr 30 08:05:10 bbl Apr 30 08:05:41 ok pushing Apr 30 08:05:53 I'll push EFL bump too Apr 30 08:19:07 mrmoku|away: white screen again on incoming sms Apr 30 08:21:11 Q-Master: shr-settings running here OK (shr-u, all updated this morning) Apr 30 08:21:32 vanous123: and not for me. 8( Apr 30 08:21:40 vanous123: illume2? Apr 30 08:21:51 Q-Master: yup Apr 30 08:22:46 Q-Master: it runs for me in illume1 too Apr 30 08:23:10 and newer EFL is building ATM in shr-u feeds just in case.. Apr 30 08:23:10 Q-Master: works from both, the illume panel and from terminal (have no icon though) Apr 30 08:23:26 (illume2 panel) Apr 30 08:23:56 it's very strange Apr 30 08:26:40 TAsn: i want to sensibly update list of, say, calls while i see it. Am i supposed to register for a corresponding signal with "wildcard" object path and then to determine the path in the handler? Apr 30 08:36:53 ha finally shr-settings icon got lost here too... Apr 30 08:55:15 JaMa: Ater reinstalling all the elementary it started to work Apr 30 08:55:33 good Apr 30 08:55:41 Q-Master: you had older image, right? Apr 30 08:55:46 only opkg upgraded Apr 30 08:55:53 JaMa: yes Apr 30 09:31:20 ah great! connected from work to home and then through openvpn back to work to neo connected to wifi :) Apr 30 09:31:43 latency is not so great.. Apr 30 09:32:08 but at least I can use normal keyboard instead of stylus :) Apr 30 09:58:35 TAsn: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.UpdatedCall is undocumented Apr 30 10:28:30 PaulFertser: I think for calls a 'any call updated' signal like for messages/contacts is missing Apr 30 10:28:49 PaulFertser: so either TAsn adds it or you have to do the wildcard thing Apr 30 10:29:14 PaulFertser: which is a pain with dbus from c... guess TAsn will just add it :-) Apr 30 10:29:40 Q-Master: please try missing icon with upgraded EFL (now in feeds) Apr 30 10:30:04 JaMa: ok Apr 30 10:30:05 mrmoku: there's already any call updated signal, just undocumented Apr 30 10:30:16 ahh Apr 30 10:30:18 nice :P Apr 30 10:30:25 * mrmoku needs that too for phonelog :-) Apr 30 10:55:53 mrmoku: funny thing that with emacs dbus bindings determining a path is impossible altogether :) Apr 30 11:09:25 mickey|office: fsogsmd segfault :( http://paste.debian.net/71313/ Apr 30 11:11:04 please open a bug Apr 30 11:13:37 mickey|office: ok, is the info enough or should i try to provide something else. I'm a bit surprised the backtrace doesn't have much details, as i started the binary from the sources dir, and i expect it to be unstripped and meaningful :) Apr 30 11:13:54 no, that should be enouigh for me Apr 30 11:15:35 is C-code generated with valac compiled with respecting CFLAGS? (ie -O0 -ggdb3) as I've seen the same here with OE builds Apr 30 11:16:12 Done Apr 30 11:16:29 it's probably easy to check, just curious if you know already.. Apr 30 11:31:51 JaMa: have you seen my answers about icon? Apr 30 11:31:57 no Apr 30 11:43:08 PaulFertser, you just register to the "general" signal, which returns the path (soon it'll return the id) of the signal. Apr 30 11:43:56 TAsn: it's not documented yet, right? Apr 30 11:44:12 define documentation :P Apr 30 11:44:23 it's not in the pim-intro.html file Apr 30 11:44:30 if that's what you mean. Apr 30 11:45:04 TAsn: I mean i can't understand what signal you're talking about. Btw, i found another annoyance: when i use GetContent for some entry, there's no way to get contactid for it :/ Apr 30 11:47:55 PaulFertser, EntryId? Apr 30 11:48:10 TAsn: yes Apr 30 11:48:16 It's there Apr 30 11:48:19 TAsn: hm, no, not entry id. Apr 30 11:48:43 TAsn: imagine i got a signal that call was changed, and i do GetContent to display new information to the user. Apr 30 11:48:49 btw, the correct signal to list to is: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.UpdatedCall Apr 30 11:48:54 CallUpdated is per call. Apr 30 11:49:00 TAsn: I agree with Tim Abell, bug should stay open as long as it's not included in shr-u Apr 30 11:49:15 JaMa, just reply formally in shr-core Apr 30 11:49:18 (sent an email) Apr 30 11:49:25 TAsn: UpdatedCall is not found at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.html;hb=HEAD Apr 30 11:49:28 we'll wait a sec or two until a couple more answer yes Apr 30 11:49:33 and that'll be great :P Apr 30 11:50:03 PaulFertser, will fix that soon :P Apr 30 11:50:33 PaulFertser, but you get what it does, right Apr 30 11:50:33 ? Apr 30 11:50:38 TAsn: but what about contact resolving for the New/Updated calls/messages? Here we come again, what is the sane way in your opinion to do it on my (UI) side? Apr 30 11:51:03 Oh ok, I get what you mean. Apr 30 11:51:09 There's an easy solution Apr 30 11:51:18 which is less than perfect though Apr 30 11:52:17 org.freesmartphone.PIM.Contacts.GetSingleEntrySingleField ({'$phonenumber': PEER_PHONE_NUMBER}, EntryId) Apr 30 11:52:25 PEER_PHONE_NUMBER Apr 30 11:52:30 is the one you found. Apr 30 11:52:51 I should probably make a GetComplexContent or something like that soon :P Apr 30 11:53:05 btw Apr 30 11:53:11 do you get info about the updates? Apr 30 11:53:16 (in the signal) Apr 30 11:53:48 I mean: what changed. Apr 30 11:53:57 because I remember you didn't but I checked and I do. Apr 30 11:59:06 JaMa, saw your email. ;P Apr 30 11:59:19 I just wonder Apr 30 11:59:31 What will happen to all the ones marked as upstream up until now. Apr 30 11:59:36 I hope they'll stay closed. Apr 30 12:00:04 Actually Apr 30 12:00:09 Thinking about it. Apr 30 12:00:13 I know what I'll do. Apr 30 12:03:23 JaMa, Heinervdm: please read my next email :P Apr 30 12:03:30 I think I found a better solution. Apr 30 12:04:25 TAsn: thats a hackish workaround Apr 30 12:04:38 really? I think the other way around. Apr 30 12:04:52 I think setting the resolution as upstream is a hackish workaround Apr 30 12:05:04 (non-closing upstream) Apr 30 12:05:04 using a component for that... Apr 30 12:05:14 why not? it is a component Apr 30 12:05:19 is it libphone-ui? Apr 30 12:05:23 phoneuid? Apr 30 12:05:29 no, it's gtk Apr 30 12:05:35 and gtk classifies as "upstream" Apr 30 12:05:41 so the component is upstream. Apr 30 12:05:49 hmm, ok Apr 30 12:05:59 This way we'll be able to trac them Apr 30 12:06:05 without messing with the resolution Apr 30 12:06:05 if you say it like that it sounds reasonable Apr 30 12:06:17 i.e we'll be able to use Apr 30 12:06:21 fixed in unstable Apr 30 12:06:22 and fixed Apr 30 12:06:24 like we used to Apr 30 12:06:33 even for upstream stuff. Apr 30 12:06:45 and we don't need bearstech for that :-) Apr 30 12:07:06 :p Apr 30 12:07:15 mrmoku, you also like my idea? Apr 30 12:07:31 did not yet think about the problem... but yes, sounds resonable Apr 30 12:07:33 +a Apr 30 12:07:47 ok, so we got a majority Apr 30 12:07:52 one last thing Apr 30 12:07:58 who should be responsible of this component? Apr 30 12:08:08 i.e who's the default owner? Apr 30 12:08:10 JaMa, ? :P Apr 30 12:08:27 * mrmoku is writing setup-local-dev-env.sh Apr 30 12:08:35 mrmoku, you were the first to speak Apr 30 12:08:37 so it's you. Apr 30 12:08:43 mrmoku, setup-local Apr 30 12:08:45 nice idea :P Apr 30 12:08:47 nah Apr 30 12:08:56 I did not even respond on shr-core ;) Apr 30 12:09:13 That's another reason why you should be it :P Apr 30 12:09:43 TAsn: yes.. component is best solution Apr 30 12:10:21 great. Apr 30 12:10:34 * mrmoku proposes spaetzAway ;) Apr 30 12:10:55 cat shr-devs | grep -i away Apr 30 12:11:02 yes spaetzAway is only solution :) Apr 30 12:11:05 :) Apr 30 12:11:13 spaetzAway: you won the vote :P Apr 30 12:11:24 but I don't mind "much" to be there Apr 30 12:11:33 spaetzAway: your premium... upstream bug responsibility ;) Apr 30 12:12:25 * JaMa thinks reporters won't use upstream component.. someone else will reassign but to it later.. Apr 30 12:12:30 s/but/bug/ Apr 30 12:12:31 JaMa meant: bug I don't mind "much" to be there Apr 30 12:13:01 what does: Apr 30 12:13:01 [12491.050000] modem wakeup interrupt Apr 30 12:13:01 [12492.170000] rxerr: port=0 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c Apr 30 12:13:02 yay! Apr 30 12:13:05 usually mean? Apr 30 12:13:05 for what? Apr 30 12:13:11 * spaetzAway reads backlog Apr 30 12:13:11 :) Apr 30 12:13:21 normaly I don'ts see them, but today every few secs Apr 30 12:13:30 oh NOOOO :-) Apr 30 12:13:41 JaMa: if you build something... please build dbus-daemon-proxy too Apr 30 12:13:49 * mrmoku shower and then birthday party Apr 30 12:13:57 mrmoku: I built -feed few hours ago Apr 30 12:14:02 great :) Apr 30 12:14:05 mrmoku: IIRC after your update Apr 30 12:14:10 so it should be in feeds already Apr 30 12:14:12 TAsn: opkg install dbus-daemon-proxy Apr 30 12:14:18 TAsn: works great Apr 30 12:14:34 btw built and rsynced "untweaked" images.. Apr 30 12:14:58 mrmoku, :) Apr 30 12:14:59 I don't think anything from it was used now.. so nobody should notice it.. Apr 30 12:15:37 next I'll kill kdrive-common as soon as I discover why run-parts doesn't run all parts :) Apr 30 12:15:47 TAsn: DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS_ADDRESS="tcp:host=192.168.0.202,port=8080" phoneuid Apr 30 12:16:04 spaetzAway: and there is some lite shr-t image built.. no idea if you want to rsync it.. Apr 30 12:16:14 TAsn: and if you stop phoneuid on FR incoming calls should probably popup on your laptop :D Apr 30 12:16:33 kernel eating my AUX? [13193.860000] keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 169 Apr 30 12:17:00 mrmoku, sweet :) Apr 30 12:20:08 TAsn: not sure why it's best to close feed upstream bugs :/ Apr 30 12:20:21 TAsn: it's like don't report those as we don't really care at all Apr 30 12:21:05 TAsn: keep them open with lowest possible priority as reminder that it's worth bumping version when upstream relase something better... Apr 30 12:21:57 TAsn: I know I can still query "upstream feed"+"close" and guess which is really solved and what is worth bumping.. Apr 30 12:24:49 TAsn: I think that's illogical and inconsistent that with GetMultipleResults i get call list data with almost but not quite the same data as i get with GetContent. Apr 30 12:25:32 PaulFertser, why not? Apr 30 12:25:36 Think about it like sql Apr 30 12:25:43 in sql you can either do a select Apr 30 12:25:48 or a select + join :P Apr 30 12:25:49 JaMa: sure,lets sync Apr 30 12:25:57 JaMa, ok, will change that. Apr 30 12:26:46 TAsn: then i want to be able select + join for GetContent Apr 30 12:27:32 PaulFertser, as I said, I'll add that ;P Apr 30 12:27:43 I should probably make a GetComplexContent or something like that soon :P Apr 30 12:27:55 TAsn: ah, sorry, missed that message. Thanks :) Apr 30 12:28:27 np Apr 30 12:28:37 don't forget Apr 30 12:28:43 I don't only write the API Apr 30 12:28:47 I'm also a user of the API Apr 30 12:28:52 So I can feel your pain :P Apr 30 12:29:04 TAsn: [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.UpdatedCall /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls :1.25 Apr 30 12:29:07 ( "/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/128", { } ) Apr 30 12:29:18 yep, no update info ;( Apr 30 12:29:20 that's so weird. Apr 30 12:29:30 And [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.PIM.Call.CallUpdated /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/131 :1.25 Apr 30 12:29:33 ( { } ) Apr 30 12:29:42 Yeah, well they are called from the same place. Apr 30 12:29:44 TAsn: btw, that's with mdbus2 Apr 30 12:29:46 Do you get that only with calls? Apr 30 12:29:58 TAsn: i think it's wrong, i think my code actually got the info. Apr 30 12:29:59 hm... please try with mdbus1 Apr 30 12:30:05 phew, ok. Apr 30 12:30:15 so maybe you should report a bug to mdbus2 Apr 30 12:31:15 TAsn: sure Apr 30 12:32:26 great. Apr 30 12:41:03 can someone with shr-t install try #1083 and #1088? Apr 30 12:45:04 TAsn: "[Shr-User] Sliding illume shelf is back! (illume2)" yeah.. today I've seen it with std shr-u and illume1.. both buttons are shown instead of "home launcher with icons" Apr 30 12:45:28 TAsn: killing shr_elm_softkey in console@ssh allowed me to see home+icons again Apr 30 12:45:50 in illume2 it works great and I'm really thankfull... Apr 30 12:46:58 TAsn: and do I understand right, that it's not posible (easy enough) to move them to top bar (ie instead "split" icon). Apr 30 12:47:51 Q-Master: what about shr-settings? I still don't see the reply :) Apr 30 12:48:28 JaMa, really? it's also there in illume1? Apr 30 12:48:38 Anyhow, to be honest, there's no more reason to use illume1 Apr 30 12:48:50 it was, not sure if it happens everytime Apr 30 12:48:51 We should deprecate it soon. Apr 30 12:49:11 but ie when you switch profile in e17 settings, then there is nothing to kill it IMHO Apr 30 12:49:21 moving to top bar: easy, just stupid/annoying. Apr 30 12:49:27 At least in the sense you are talking about. Apr 30 12:49:47 stupid to do it or stupid to have it there? Apr 30 12:49:55 JaMa, VERY easy to do. Apr 30 12:49:58 stupid to have it there. Apr 30 12:50:01 And just a mess to be honest. Apr 30 12:50:09 can I do it easily in my install? Apr 30 12:50:15 No. Apr 30 12:50:27 You need to write it Apr 30 12:50:30 though it's trivial to write. Apr 30 12:50:32 Anyhow, I'm off. Apr 30 12:50:33 ciao. Apr 30 12:53:27 TAsn: ok, thanks Apr 30 13:01:22 * mrmoku off too now Apr 30 13:01:22 bbl Apr 30 13:04:41 JaMa: no icon, but i've not removed the config dirs. now i'll try with removing Apr 30 13:04:44 JaMa: after deletion - white illume2 screen with top-bar and nothing more Apr 30 13:04:47 no icon also Apr 30 13:04:57 sorry. was a bit busy working. Apr 30 13:06:52 Q-Master: did you upgrade to latest EFL? Apr 30 13:07:35 Q-Master: I didn't have shr-settings icon today morning for first time and after opkg upgrade + xserver restart I have it back again Apr 30 13:08:16 yep, one understands what one has written. As I have just discovered that it does not work in all cases anyway, I propose to ignore the later set of patches and let the issue rest :) Apr 30 13:08:20 oops Apr 30 13:09:15 JaMa: no shr-sett.. icon here :) Apr 30 13:10:36 hmm Apr 30 13:10:58 grep -R random() e/trunk Apr 30 13:11:37 TAsn: also, cannot close any app, the X is not reacting, dunno why Apr 30 13:11:52 TAsn: neither is <- Apr 30 13:12:14 vanous123: for me it works :/ Apr 30 13:12:21 X and <- Apr 30 13:12:22 JaMa: for me it did yesterday Apr 30 13:12:28 JaMa: did you reboot today? Apr 30 13:12:32 yes Apr 30 13:12:50 * vanous123 will probably erase .e and efret Apr 30 13:13:19 ./e or e? Apr 30 13:13:32 ./e/e/trunk ? Apr 30 13:13:32 ~/.e Apr 30 13:13:44 e/trunk is only in sources Apr 30 13:13:49 ls: ./e/e/trunk: No such file or directory Apr 30 13:13:53 i see Apr 30 13:14:28 but you're right.. maybe they generate that random() for shr-settings only in runtime :) Apr 30 13:15:07 shr-set doesn't have link in .e/e/appshadow Apr 30 13:15:12 here Apr 30 13:18:04 vanous123: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208042/ Apr 30 13:18:24 that's lite image only + midori Apr 30 13:18:27 here Apr 30 13:18:46 JaMa: hmm, not here Apr 30 13:19:09 but i might have edited shr settings icon couple of days ago to try to get it back Apr 30 13:19:15 it did'nt Apr 30 13:19:24 and my full image http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208045/ Apr 30 13:19:32 shr-settings again last file there :/ Apr 30 13:20:12 but that's maybe because it was last changed (with PR bump because of elementary.sh) Apr 30 13:20:13 JaMa: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208046/ Apr 30 13:23:20 bbl Apr 30 13:26:39 JaMa: yes. I've upgraded just the time you've told me to test. Apr 30 13:26:52 no icon tho Apr 30 13:27:19 Q-Master: check also .e/e/appshadow I guess you also don't have link to shr-settings there Apr 30 13:27:24 * JaMa curious why he has a link Apr 30 13:32:37 JaMa: rm -rf .e , x server restart, no links, no shr-setting icon Apr 30 13:32:45 all other icons ok Apr 30 13:33:22 vanous123: can you x stop; rm -rf .e .efreet; x start? Apr 30 13:33:35 not sure if it stores something during x shutdown.. Apr 30 13:35:44 no help Apr 30 13:36:20 just made the link manually Apr 30 13:36:24 JaMa: yep. think no link there. and the stopping x, deletion of у and efreet don't help Apr 30 13:36:41 have icon now Apr 30 13:36:53 :) Apr 30 13:37:14 hm input to terminal i illume2 is broken ? Apr 30 13:37:31 or is it just my bad luck ? Apr 30 13:37:32 soltys: have to switch window back and forth Apr 30 13:37:38 soltys: to get focus Apr 30 13:37:43 how to? Apr 30 13:37:54 have <- and X at the bottom? Apr 30 13:38:02 nope Apr 30 13:38:11 then tap the top bar (any empty space) to get them Apr 30 13:38:19 to get them at the top Apr 30 13:39:17 vanous123: thanks '_ Apr 30 13:39:19 ;) Apr 30 13:39:32 :) Apr 30 13:40:14 one trick and i can do user support now :) Apr 30 13:40:40 hehe Apr 30 13:40:53 :P Apr 30 13:41:09 hm I wonder how can I close app without <- and X buttons on bottom ;) Apr 30 13:41:15 * JaMa thinks that vanous123 is really great in providing user support Apr 30 13:41:38 * vanous123 has about 10hours a day to do that @ dayjob Apr 30 13:41:57 and also in spreading FRs in his family :) Apr 30 13:42:11 hehe Apr 30 13:42:36 my family? some wierdos, all run linux @ home :p Apr 30 13:43:24 so what with closing apps ? Apr 30 13:43:43 and iliwi that hangs on 'connectong' ? Apr 30 13:43:53 iliwi no idea Apr 30 13:44:03 closing apps via X in that sliding shelve Apr 30 13:44:45 what sliding shelve ? Apr 30 13:45:09 soltys: how did you switch the xterm window? Apr 30 13:45:53 button with home and clicking again on terminal icon Apr 30 13:47:00 soltys: if you tap not on home but on any empty space at the top bar, do you get slidedown menu? Apr 30 13:47:07 soltys: if not then run shr_elm_softkey & somehow (via ssh) Apr 30 13:47:43 vanous123: nothing like that when taping on empty space Apr 30 13:47:57 ^^ Apr 30 13:48:01 and I can't do ssh now as wifi cant connect ;) Apr 30 13:48:14 then run in from the terminal Apr 30 13:48:15 oh Apr 30 13:48:21 can you? Apr 30 13:48:21 and my win7 don't like neo as a device Apr 30 13:48:28 win7? Apr 30 13:48:33 :) Apr 30 13:48:36 yeap Apr 30 13:49:02 I was doinh sth for univ in matlab and it wont run on my amd64 gentoo ;) Apr 30 13:49:53 of course Apr 30 13:50:01 vanous123: a can't run it from terminal Apr 30 13:50:08 it says not found Apr 30 13:50:14 soltys: how come? Apr 30 13:50:19 no idea ;) Apr 30 13:50:27 maybe I missed some update Apr 30 13:50:55 i see Apr 30 13:51:58 so for now I have to wait till I can reboot my laptop ;) Apr 30 13:52:14 guess Apr 30 13:57:45 ALL: can someone with shr-t install try #1083 and #1088? Apr 30 14:17:32 enjoy weekend, bye! Apr 30 14:17:48 same to you! Apr 30 16:00:46 JaMa, mrmoku|away: If you upgrade e (to latest) + e Apr 30 16:00:52 JaMa, mrmoku|away: If you upgrade e (to latest) + shr-e-gadgets Apr 30 16:00:56 you'll get also a next button. Apr 30 16:06:31 JaMa, mrmoku|away: please build shr-e-gadgets Apr 30 16:24:16 TAsn: when you are at fixing, somebody reported although autohiding but not functioning <- X bar, same here... Apr 30 16:40:35 heyho Apr 30 16:42:42 hi Apr 30 16:49:39 hi! Apr 30 16:49:50 I have a little patch for the gry elementary theme Apr 30 16:50:10 the click event on buttons is triggered in a wrong way Apr 30 16:50:32 if I move the mouse out the button while still being pressed, releasing click triggers a "clicked" event Apr 30 16:51:20 it is a one-row patch, so instead of writing to ML, someone could commit this right the way... Apr 30 17:12:05 daniele_athome, gry maintainer isn't here. send to the list, i'd say Apr 30 17:12:15 so be it :) Apr 30 17:32:15 TAsn: bumped&building Apr 30 17:32:34 efl as well? Apr 30 17:32:41 As the changes I described depend on a new e Apr 30 17:33:18 efl was built today.. cannot test it now Apr 30 17:33:38 sorry Apr 30 17:35:00 TAsn: if you really want, I'll bump it in shr buildhost now without commit Apr 30 17:35:12 TAsn: and if nothing broke, I'll push that change Apr 30 17:35:22 I guess you need this one? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/48469 Apr 30 17:36:41 * JaMa off ciao Apr 30 17:38:56 framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py: PPP_DAEMON_SETUP["/etc/ppp/ip-down.d/92removedns"] = """......""" Apr 30 17:39:04 At what point this is written? Apr 30 17:39:17 If I overwrite the file and/or remove it, when will my changes be gone? Apr 30 17:46:06 is there a reliable way to retrieve offline mode? Apr 30 17:46:17 I mean using a signal corresponding to getfunctionality Apr 30 17:46:33 mickey|zzZZzz, getsignalstrength returns correctly in offline mode Apr 30 18:30:51 PaulFertser: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635097#post635097 Apr 30 18:31:50 DocScrutinizer: amazing result Apr 30 18:32:37 DocScrutinizer: that's really a good example of benefits that scrutinizing docs gives :) Apr 30 18:32:57 actually yes Apr 30 18:35:05 also I was able to dig into kernel sources so deep I found we have musb_hdrc compiled into kernel, and the weird thing is it seems to silently fail in line 2010 of the *core file (URL in that thread) Apr 30 18:36:03 well not exactly in that line, but obviously the function either isn't there or is empty or borked or whatever Apr 30 18:37:20 PaulFertser: though...: Apr 30 18:37:24 [78710.038696] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: MUSB HDRC host driver Apr 30 18:37:26 [78710.040313] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 Apr 30 18:37:27 [78710.041015] usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 30 18:37:29 [78710.041412] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found Apr 30 18:37:30 [78710.041534] hub 1-0:1.0: 1 port detected Apr 30 18:37:41 DocScrutinizer: i'd say that's damn clear indication host mode is activated. Apr 30 18:37:45 but not when 'echo host > mode' Apr 30 18:38:47 DocScrutinizer: when does it happen then? Apr 30 18:39:27 when selecting 'PCsuite mode' from menu that pops up when you connect to host PC... :-o Apr 30 18:40:24 which really mindboggles me Apr 30 18:41:34 DocScrutinizer: weird. Probably you can see what it does if you strace it. Apr 30 18:42:23 http://paste.debian.net/71423/ Apr 30 18:42:50 | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../src/bin/e_fm_hal.c', needed by `enlightenment.pot-update'. Stop. Apr 30 18:42:53 | make[3]: Leaving directory `/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/e-wm-0.16.999.060+svnr48482-r13/e/po' Apr 30 18:42:55 that one was on an erroneous host-plug detection when doing the VBUS magic Apr 30 18:42:56 grr Apr 30 18:44:06 PaulFertser: strace kernel? lsusb doesn't show any musb or related module - it's probably compiled in Apr 30 18:44:38 DocScrutinizer: no, strace the thing that allows you to select "PCsuite mode" Apr 30 18:44:55 hmm, whatever that is Apr 30 18:44:59 prolly bme Apr 30 19:22:41 TAsn: lol, i managed to make this by accident: ( { "Direction": "out", "Path": "/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/136", "Timestamp": 1272650783, "Answered": 0, "EntryId": 136, "Timezone": "MSD", "Peer": "0697", "New": [ 0, 1 ], "Line": "1" } ) Apr 30 19:22:50 TAsn: and because of this if call.has_key('New') and int(call.get('New')) and not call.get('Answered') and call.get('Direction') == 'in': Apr 30 19:22:56 tracebacks on int() Apr 30 19:25:25 TAsn: any idea how that could happen? The only operation i do on calllist in my code is if call.has_key('New') and int(call.get('New')) and not call.get('Answered') and call.get('Direction') == 'in': Apr 30 19:25:30 sorry, wrong paste Apr 30 19:26:06 TAsn: "Update" '((:dict-entry "New" (:variant 0))) Apr 30 19:29:33 TAsn: so it looks like it's your code adding that, i tried several times changing it with queries and my code, i get just an int there, not an array. Apr 30 19:40:56 PaulFertser, sorry, I'm not really focused. Apr 30 19:41:29 TAsn: np, should i ping you wrt this later? Or probably tomorrow? Apr 30 19:41:41 either. Apr 30 19:41:44 I don't care. Apr 30 20:03:40 mrmoku: trying to update my local build here Apr 30 20:03:46 i will do git pull Apr 30 20:03:47 but Apr 30 20:04:21 how do i say rebuild all? Apr 30 20:04:38 or do i have to build the whole image again? Apr 30 20:05:47 hush, the egadgets didn't compile, FATAL: oe_runmake failed Apr 30 20:09:59 vanous123: it will automatically only build the needed stuff Apr 30 20:10:16 vanous123: and shr-e-gadgets needs newer EFL which does not build :/ Apr 30 20:10:24 mrmoku: but what do i run to do that? Apr 30 20:10:32 bb -k lite-image ? Apr 30 20:10:43 vanous123: bb shr-lite-image Apr 30 20:10:50 ok Apr 30 20:11:01 ~lart efl Apr 30 20:11:01 that's what i thought but i rather ask Apr 30 20:11:49 heh... apt is corrupted by e devs :P Apr 30 20:12:02 hehe Apr 30 20:21:10 mrmoku: it does :) Apr 30 20:21:25 built 48486 Apr 30 20:22:32 JaMa|GoNe: just read backlog... did not try myself :P Apr 30 20:23:27 ~unlart efl Apr 30 20:23:37 reading.. but also just built whole image here Apr 30 20:23:49 JaMa|GoNe: no... I meant me just read the backlog :) Apr 30 20:23:56 ah ;) Apr 30 20:24:16 it was from 48482, 48483 is fixinig it :) Apr 30 20:24:23 ahh ok :) Apr 30 20:25:10 vanous123: yeah, just wait 23s, than git pull (or make update), and bb -k shr-image Apr 30 20:28:00 vanous123: btw what distro is on your host? fc12? Apr 30 20:28:35 JaMa|GoNe: what is fc12? Apr 30 20:28:42 fedora 12 Apr 30 20:28:44 fedora core Apr 30 20:28:45 i see Apr 30 20:28:46 no Apr 30 20:28:50 debian unstable :) Apr 30 20:29:03 and do you have selinux? Apr 30 20:29:24 no, i don$t think so Apr 30 20:29:25 * JaMa|GoNe just curious because that min_mmap_addr issue you had.. Apr 30 20:29:29 i haven't installed it Apr 30 20:29:39 there is libselinux Apr 30 20:29:43 installed here Apr 30 20:30:19 but i don't think selinux is here, nothing suspicious in aptitude or in /etc , in system...:) Apr 30 20:30:58 ok, thanks Apr 30 20:31:26 vanous123: and yes.. you were right about shr-e-gadgets :/ Apr 30 20:31:29 TAsn: | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `data/forward.png', needed by `all-am'. Stop. Apr 30 20:31:33 what i hate is when it hangs here: (5928/8328) [71 %] Apr 30 20:31:37 * JaMa spanks himself Apr 30 20:33:37 TAsn: yes, please add forward.png :) http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-e-gadgets.git;a=commit;h=958b2a8f33b29d7601bd3b1d36167716fadf204e Apr 30 20:43:42 JaMa: anything i can do when it hands on handling bb recipes? Apr 30 20:43:50 it doesn't timeout Apr 30 20:43:55 just hangs Apr 30 20:44:32 you can check ps if it's only hanging or actually ie trying to connect to some git server Apr 30 20:45:56 and for shr-e-gadget please copy back.png to forward.png if you need it built... Apr 30 20:46:08 its the bloody fltkspacetrader, does it all the time... svn info http://scavenger.homeip.net/svn/fltkspacetrader/tags/1.2-stable/ Apr 30 20:46:35 vanous123: read conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.conf Apr 30 20:46:51 and replace AUTOREV for fltkspacetrader with last revision built in your dir Apr 30 20:47:07 i can remove it, i know how, done that.. Apr 30 20:47:38 i just remove it altogether, dont need it anyhow :) Apr 30 20:48:32 then it shouldn't try to connect to his svn during parse Apr 30 20:49:52 yup Apr 30 21:06:01 lol Apr 30 21:06:05 I'm such an idiot. Apr 30 21:06:06 JaMa, sec. Apr 30 21:13:08 JaMa, fixed. Apr 30 21:13:32 seen that :) Apr 30 21:13:49 just making sure. Apr 30 21:13:49 :) Apr 30 21:13:55 sorry. Apr 30 21:14:11 * JaMa also building first before pushing bump, to be sure ;) Apr 30 21:14:13 no problem Apr 30 21:20:25 TAsn: btw what about that Xsession.d rename for shr_elm_softkey? Apr 30 21:20:50 TAsn: sometimes I had to start it by hand too :/ Apr 30 21:21:23 already there Apr 30 21:21:27 for a couple of hours now Apr 30 21:22:18 ah see sorry Apr 30 21:22:44 when you said that you want me to rebuild it.. there was last commit from mrmoku (one before this change) Apr 30 21:23:35 there are a couple of new things. Apr 30 21:23:41 When I said I want you to rebuild it Apr 30 21:24:34 I only fixed one thing Apr 30 21:24:40 which is the forward button Apr 30 21:24:49 And only a couple of minutes (hours) later Apr 30 21:24:54 I renamed :P Apr 30 21:25:05 and forgot to merge from your branch :) Apr 30 21:25:21 no Apr 30 21:25:23 it was in the main branch Apr 30 21:25:26 I just git pushed Apr 30 21:25:28 without pulling Apr 30 21:25:30 so it didn't. Apr 30 21:25:38 Only noticed now Apr 30 21:25:44 when I came to add forward.png :P Apr 30 21:25:53 JaMa: i didn't want to pull it all,how do i pull only shr-e-gadgets? Apr 30 21:26:18 vanous123: git pull wont overwritte your changes Apr 30 21:26:33 yeah, but if there are more changes somewhere... Apr 30 21:26:33 vanous123: you have to git commit everything you changed Apr 30 21:26:49 vanous123: and then you can git pull --rebase to keep your changes above all Apr 30 21:26:54 vanous123: oe.dev is safe now Apr 30 21:26:56 :) Apr 30 21:26:59 ok Apr 30 21:27:02 will just pull all Apr 30 21:28:01 half of today's commits is mine and you want that :) Apr 30 21:28:08 hehe Apr 30 21:28:16 so i pull what you commited, cool Apr 30 21:28:28 like hand bumped revisions etc? Apr 30 21:28:39 hand bumped? Apr 30 21:28:44 haha Apr 30 21:28:47 like EFL? Apr 30 21:28:52 sure Apr 30 21:29:19 all built ok here Apr 30 21:29:20 if hand bumped you mean every SRCREV bump for non AUTOREV recipes :) Apr 30 21:29:31 here too and on shr host too :) Apr 30 21:29:34 yeah, but that is what i meant Apr 30 21:30:03 vanous123: you probably already know.. so just in case.. http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/ Apr 30 21:30:06 for stuff which isn 't AUtprev Apr 30 21:30:20 have to watch that one too Apr 30 21:31:01 so by "bump" you hand edit SRCREV in that recipe, correct? Apr 30 21:31:18 you can as well subscribe oe-commits ML.. but maybe web interface is better for start :) Apr 30 21:31:25 vanous123: yes exactly Apr 30 21:31:32 i see the diffs now Apr 30 21:31:38 vanous123: or PR bump or whatever Apr 30 21:31:45 i am not using my bulds here yet Apr 30 21:31:51 just building Apr 30 21:33:31 JaMa: do you know if mickey|zzZZzz was fixing the gprs issue? i guess not yet Apr 30 21:35:13 JaMa: this is too early for me, but just a quickee Apr 30 21:36:19 to build directly from oe for gta02 (not through shr) there has to be some definitions of architecture etc somewhere for bitbake, right? Apr 30 21:38:06 asking as i have Palm T3 and would love to put linux on it again, but don't want opie Apr 30 21:41:42 TAsn: ehm, have both arrows in shr_elm_softkey, but no action on tap... Apr 30 21:43:09 tried running it from terminal to see some output but nothing Apr 30 21:43:51 * vanous123 will try to reboot, perhaps it helps Apr 30 21:44:09 vanous123: not sure what you mean by directly from oe Apr 30 21:44:37 vanous123: but whole SHR is "DISTRO=SHR in local.conf and building shr-(lite-)image Apr 30 21:45:05 vanous123: if you change MACHINE variable in auto.conf than you can build whatever image you want for your palm Apr 30 21:45:15 vanous123: even with DISTRO=shr Apr 30 21:45:48 vanous123: as it implies mostly toolchain versions and some custom patches/logic in some recipes Apr 30 21:46:02 JaMa: building shr would be the ideal Apr 30 21:46:09 will look at it some day Apr 30 21:46:16 vanous123: but for Palm I would start with Angstrom Apr 30 21:46:47 as its target is more wide than our Apr 30 21:46:55 and for spitz I prefer it too Apr 30 21:47:06 but different DISTRO var needs different tmp dir Apr 30 21:47:35 so angstrom would be arch to build for? Apr 30 21:47:38 for multiple MACHINE you can share tmp dir (and it's very good for you as you don't have to build ie toolchain twice) Apr 30 21:47:41 vanous123, yes. Apr 30 21:47:45 i see Apr 30 21:47:46 ok Apr 30 21:47:48 no arch is defined by MACHINE Apr 30 21:47:52 vanous123, right won't work until an e upgrade. Apr 30 21:48:08 TAsn: what e do you want? Apr 30 21:48:14 we already have the very latest Apr 30 21:48:24 JaMa, really? cool :P Apr 30 21:48:28 vanous123, and it doesn't work? Apr 30 21:48:39 TAsn: nope Apr 30 21:48:42 none works Apr 30 21:48:46 <- X -> Apr 30 21:48:49 none of these Apr 30 21:48:51 oh, none. Apr 30 21:48:57 Ok, that's better :P Apr 30 21:49:01 didn$t work the whole day today Apr 30 21:49:19 TAsn: in the morning I built revision from yesterday 2 PM Apr 30 21:49:30 JaMa, not good. Apr 30 21:49:38 JaMa, I need the revision you marked ;P Apr 30 21:49:47 TAsn: and few hours ago I built 48486 Apr 30 21:49:51 oh, ok. Apr 30 21:49:55 Is it in field? Apr 30 21:49:58 feed* Apr 30 21:50:07 yes Apr 30 21:51:08 will test it. Apr 30 21:51:10 sec. Apr 30 22:06:40 ok Apr 30 22:06:47 gn Apr 30 22:08:11 vanous123: I forgot to answer your question.. Apr 30 22:08:53 vanous123: no commits for gprs issue today in cornucopia rev.. we need to wait :) now we have HEAD-2 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=summary Apr 30 22:09:03 vanous123: and gnight! Apr 30 22:10:44 np Apr 30 22:10:44 i am trying to download a large email here... Apr 30 22:10:44 stil... :) Apr 30 22:12:53 hmm, connection failing, leaving it for the morning Apr 30 22:12:53 cheers May 01 00:16:10 * tim_abell2 is excited to be examining the shr-unstable branch in gitk May 01 00:31:51 the build system is mind boggling May 01 00:32:28 i think given another couple of months i might actually manage to compile something i've modified May 01 00:43:02 can anyone help me interpret my bitbake output? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208274/ May 01 00:43:29 the command was tim@lap:~/projects/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable$ time bitbake -b openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/omnewrotate_svn.bb May 01 00:44:08 i'm a bit stuck May 01 00:45:13 ERROR: runstrip: 'file /home/tim/projects/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/omnewrotate-0.5.7+svnr61-r0/package/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89omnewrotate' failed (forced strip) May 01 00:45:26 i'm not sure what the failed (forced strip) means May 01 00:45:39 or what to do about it May 01 00:46:57 maybe i need to update bitbake May 01 00:55:22 make update May 01 00:55:45 hrm. well, that seems to have reduced the errors. don't know whether it produced anything though May 01 00:58:46 it ran, but where did it go? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208280/ May 01 00:58:50 * tim_abell scratches head May 01 01:02:03 hurrah for find http://paste.pocoo.org/show/208281/ May 01 01:02:14 it's quiet in here tonight May 01 01:03:32 i guess europe is asleep ;) May 01 01:03:41 or drunk, more likely May 01 01:03:43 :) May 01 01:04:00 yeah well it's weekend :D May 01 01:05:06 i'm still awake. though unfortunatly i can't help you with bitbake.. i just began messing around with it.. May 01 01:05:23 i think i've cracked it May 01 01:05:33 great :) May 01 01:05:34 ./tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/omnewrotate_0.5.7+svnr61-r0.4_armv4t.ipk May 01 01:05:38 seems to be the answer May 01 01:05:44 looks good ;) May 01 01:05:56 step 2: create custom build May 01 01:06:01 step 3: hack on it May 01 01:06:07 step 4: ???? May 01 01:06:12 step 5: profit! May 01 01:06:15 \o/ May 01 01:06:30 step 6: shr for the world?! May 01 01:06:39 yeah May 01 01:07:42 file omnewrotate May 01 01:07:42 omnewrotate: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, not stripped May 01 01:07:48 from the package, that's cool May 01 01:08:21 yeah May 01 01:08:29 so it's working? May 01 01:08:36 looks like it May 01 01:08:38 woot May 01 01:09:11 is it rotating? :D May 01 01:09:12 it's a big learning curve before being useful to shr May 01 01:09:30 lol, just about to copy it to the phone and see if it still works with my own build May 01 01:09:36 yes unfortunatly.. shr could nee some more dev.. May 01 01:09:56 need some more devs.. May 01 01:11:40 i was thinking about that today. i'm think good project governance and and making it easy to contribute small things are important for building the community May 01 01:11:50 but it's still early days May 01 01:13:23 sure.. but i think shr doesnt have the manpower atm to do anything else than the devs are doing right now.. May 01 01:13:53 i wouldn't really know but i'll take your word for it May 01 01:14:05 i don't doubt there's more to do than there is time May 01 01:14:26 ooh, exciting. it didn't break May 01 01:14:45 i copied over my new binary and it still works May 01 01:15:15 awesome :) did you make some changes to omnewrotate? May 01 01:15:23 my goals are twofold, i want to alter the rotation thresholds (45 deg winds me up), and i want to get the hang of hacking apps May 01 01:15:33 i wrote new init scripts a while ago May 01 01:16:05 they are filtering into the feeds, though there's still some scripts in the package that conflict with what i've done so it's not right yet sadly May 01 01:16:06 seems like a good way to get to know bitbake ;) May 01 01:16:11 sure is May 01 01:16:17 i'm glad i found -b May 01 01:16:34 i was beginning to wonder if i had to wait 3 hours to test each change :) May 01 01:17:00 root@om-gta02 /usr/bin $ /etc/init.d/omnewrotate May 01 01:17:00 Usage: /etc/init.d/omnewrotate {start|stop|restart|switch|status} May 01 01:17:04 i created that ^ May 01 01:17:26 well.. i first thought i have to use -b to compile a package. took me some time to figure that i first have to build it package without -b May 01 01:17:34 it had some weird scripts to start and stop it May 01 01:17:39 lol May 01 01:17:57 didnt want to build the whole image.. May 01 01:18:11 great work.. May 01 01:18:33 ta May 01 01:18:51 though i stopped using omnewrotate some time ago.. May 01 01:19:00 my laptop looks like it's going to overheat when i run the full build May 01 01:19:17 yeah, it's a shame, omnewrotate is so full of promise May 01 01:19:35 and i'm grateful to the person who created it, as i couldn't do it from scratch May 01 01:19:56 if only i could do this stuff for a day job too May 01 01:20:03 at some point i got annoyed by all the flipping around May 01 01:20:12 yeah, it's a bit too touchy May 01 01:20:38 i plan to make it wait till the phone is nearly horizontal before flipping May 01 01:20:47 should be much more usable May 01 01:21:04 some finetuning.. May 01 01:21:08 right, custom build now... May 01 01:21:20 btw what kernel are you using? May 01 01:21:26 on the neo May 01 01:21:45 still the default 29? May 01 01:21:47 Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 6 18:38:19 CET 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux May 01 01:21:54 shr-t May 01 01:22:10 i don't have time to follow shr-u May 01 01:22:19 uh.. i do ;) May 01 01:22:24 :) May 01 01:22:53 though my g/f gets fedup everynow and then if gsm stops working ;) May 01 01:23:29 tell me about it! May 01 01:24:44 :D that's the price you pay for having a phone no one else in your city owns.. May 01 01:24:52 yup May 01 01:25:18 my last phone would only sync with m$ outlook May 01 01:25:36 and i vowed never to let windows on my pcs ever again May 01 01:25:40 so it had to go May 01 01:26:22 that's the great thing about the freerunner.. it's openess.. it's (almost) all yours.. May 01 01:26:32 yeah, that's what i wanted May 01 01:26:51 fed up with having others control things that are mine May 01 01:28:27 though it comes with a lot of work.. but i believe sooner or later we will see shr on more phones May 01 01:28:42 the best thing about it is laughing at iphone owners only being able to run one task at a time May 01 01:29:11 amusingly my mate with an iphone phoned me on me freerunner, and his iphone crashed May 01 01:29:30 he hasn't dared phone me since, lol May 01 01:29:47 :D well.. just don't run pidgin and midori with tabs together ;) May 01 01:30:10 yeah, i've hit silly load averages more than once May 01 01:30:20 claws-mail is a good one for it May 01 01:30:50 more than once i've been staring at a ringing freerunner, waiting for the phone ui to come up so i can actually answer the call :) May 01 01:31:11 but i don't care because i have *control* May 01 01:31:16 just remember it's still an embedded device ;) May 01 01:31:21 =) May 01 01:31:22 indeed May 01 01:32:46 anyway.. i'm gonna catch some sleep now May 01 01:32:56 gl with compiling ;) May 01 01:33:13 i'm buzzing so i'm going to try and change a line of C and get it onto the phone May 01 01:33:16 thanks May 01 01:33:18 laters May 01 01:33:31 cu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010