**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 06 02:59:56 2010
May 06 05:35:24 <mrmoku> JaMa: if I would pull org.oe.dev now it would not build, right?
May 06 05:36:51 <JaMa> trying locally
May 06 05:37:10 <JaMa> but I went to bed too soon (before RP's merge) so no idea
May 06 05:37:54 <JaMa> and I'm going for rebuild from scratch.. instead of testing those legacy links for backward compatibility staging dir
May 06 05:41:00 <mrmoku> okk :)
May 06 07:10:02 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: sofar good, kernel compiled fine :)
May 06 07:11:17 <mrmoku_> JaMa: nice :)
May 06 07:59:19 <JaMa> mrmoku_: ahh too soon did I start rebuild, now eglibc again :)
May 06 08:40:39 <mrmoku_> JaMa: are you building with new gcc?
May 06 08:46:23 <JaMa> mrmoku_: no
May 06 08:46:58 <JaMa> mrmoku_: image with 4.5.0 doesn't boot and oops already in kernel, busybox craps even for ls (with -l) etc
May 06 08:48:49 <mrmoku_> JaMa: heh, ok
May 06 10:57:02 <JaMa> btw as there was discussion about db backend in opimd (sqlite, berkley db), just one quote from javaposse #304 "Putting genetic data (large datasets), mongodb 10min, berkleydb 18hours"
May 06 11:13:33 <CIA-36> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rd8e5c5358a3f 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: quick-settings-view: remove unneeded elm_layout_sizing_eval
May 06 11:13:39 <CIA-36> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rc38d016038c9 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: quick-settings-view: remove elm_hoversel_hover_begin
May 06 11:13:43 <thrashold> Who wouyld put large datasets in opimd? At once? I think sqlite is the best
May 06 11:14:48 <thrashold> But I'd like ldap support. With caching. :(
May 06 11:15:20 <thrashold> And the ability to not use the system dbus :)
May 06 11:19:23 <mrmoku_> TAsn: what are your plans regarding quick-settings?
May 06 11:20:18 * mrmoku_ wants gprs in there :)
May 06 11:21:58 <JaMa> thrashold: well I'm not saying it will be better for opimd, but IIRC danielle said that berkley is much faster for him then sqlite.. so I was a bit surprised how big difference it had with mongodb
May 06 11:22:18 <JaMa> thrashold: and they didn't say, that this happens only for large datasets..
May 06 11:23:01 <Heinervdm> sqlite is small not fast
May 06 11:23:04 <thrashold> Berkeley DB is faster than SQLite, that's 100% sure
May 06 11:23:25 <Heinervdm> but i think that doesn't really matter, the slowest part is python
May 06 11:23:29 <thrashold> But it's also harder to work with it. Also, does anyone have that much contacts?
May 06 11:23:49 <thrashold> I mean, you either have to have a lot of contacts, or query them a lot for any of this to matter
May 06 11:24:06 <thrashold> framework is idling for me all the time
May 06 11:24:49 <mrmoku_> yup, we have more prominent problems first :P
May 06 11:25:15 * JaMa didn't want to suggest different db backend for opimd..
May 06 11:25:45 * JaMa just pointing to IMHO interesting comparison mongodb >> berkleydb > sqlite
May 06 11:26:09 <Heinervdm> and we are always getting problems when fso is getting faster ;)
May 06 11:26:11 <thrashold> There are multiple ways to store a db with berkdb
May 06 11:26:12 <thrashold> which?
May 06 11:26:30 <mrmoku_> race
May 06 11:26:39 <thrashold> Heinervdm: I'd rather have the GUI become faster than the framework :)
May 06 11:27:07 * JaMa don't want GUI at all.. now is my neo happy with load 0 and 12 MB ram used :)
May 06 11:27:19 <mrmoku_>  gui speed is very much limited by glamo
May 06 11:27:20 <Heinervdm> thrashold: e.g. yesterday fso was to fast for the sim
May 06 11:27:38 <JaMa> optimized for faster reflash on 2nd partition as soon as image build finish :)
May 06 11:27:52 <mrmoku_> running phoneuid on my laptop it is fast ;)
May 06 11:28:16 * mrmoku_ lunch
May 06 11:28:27 * JaMa cookie
May 06 11:28:29 <Weiss> don't be quite so fast to blame everything on Glamo... UI gets LOADS faster with 2.6.32 and the same chip...
May 06 11:28:54 * Weiss particle accelerator
May 06 11:29:05 <JaMa> *g* :)
May 06 11:30:11 <thrashold> I'm still with 2.6.29 :/
May 06 11:30:22 <mrmoku_> Weiss: sure:)
May 06 11:30:33 <JaMa> mrmoku_: what's your status on 2.6.32, here it finds rootfs even with rootwait/rootdelay=1 everytime I remove usb first and connect it about the time bootsplash logo appears or later..
May 06 11:30:37 <lindi-> when i used png instead of svg in navit its UI started to be tolerable
May 06 11:31:17 <JaMa> mrmoku_: and still not single WSOD with 2.6.32 here (once I had white screen till e17 started)
May 06 11:31:37 <lindi-> JaMa: xsever-xorg-video-glamo?
May 06 11:31:45 <JaMa> yes
May 06 11:31:56 <Weiss> KMS? :)
May 06 11:32:00 <JaMa> yes
May 06 11:32:01 <JaMa> sure :)
May 06 11:32:28 <JaMa> I mean not single one, since you fixed it of course :)
May 06 11:32:54 <lindi-> i have not seen WSOD this year either
May 06 11:33:21 <JaMa> lindi-: but debian is not using KMS, isn't it?
May 06 11:33:35 <lindi-> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and andy-tracking a3587e4ed77974ad 
May 06 11:33:54 <lindi-> i'm still building the kernel myself to help in bug reporting
May 06 11:34:02 <JaMa> it's enabled only with drm-tracking
May 06 11:34:29 <JaMa> and extra configure option while building 13:31:34 < lindi-> JaMa: xsever-xorg-video-glamo?
May 06 11:34:49 <JaMa> s/ 13:31:34 < lindi-> JaMa: // s/?//
May 06 11:35:36 <lindi-> i'm in italy and the internet connection is very laggy. sorry for the typos :)
May 06 11:38:19 <lindi-> JaMa: ./configure --enable-xv --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\${prefix}/share/info --build=arm-linux-gnueabi --disable-static CFLAGS="-Wall -g -O2"
May 06 11:38:29 <lindi-> JaMa: --  https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-fbdev;ver=1%3A0.4.2-2;arch=armel;stamp=1273023651
May 06 11:39:07 <lindi-> JaMa: see also  http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev/1:0.4.2-2
May 06 11:42:41 <JaMa> that's why we in SHR use EXTRA_OECONF = " --enable-kms "
May 06 11:43:29 <JaMa> both are from xserver-xorg-video-fbdev not xserver-xorg-video-glamo?
May 06 11:43:50 <JaMa> I mean, is it what you wanted to show me?
May 06 11:45:09 <lindi-> JaMa: from fbdev yes
May 06 11:49:43 <thrashold> Does that fbdev have screen roration?
May 06 11:50:11 <lindi-> thrashold: yes but not via xrandr
May 06 11:50:39 <thrashold> You have to rotate the framebuffer?
May 06 11:51:05 <lindi-> thrashold: ?
May 06 11:51:18 <thrashold> what does 'not via xrandr' mean? :)
May 06 11:51:21 <lindi-> thrashold: man fvdev has the xorg.conf  settings for it
May 06 11:51:53 <thrashold> Oh, I see, so you can't rotate it, you can just start it rotated :) Yeah, I know about this
May 06 11:58:41 <mrmoku_> JaMa: don't need rootdelay anymore too
May 06 11:59:09 <mrmoku_> but have that wsod on screen blanking
May 06 12:01:32 <mrmoku_> JaMa: but I will switch to it anyway for fsobootd :)
May 06 12:03:00 <JaMa> so fsobootd won against systemd? :)
May 06 12:03:57 <JaMa> mrmoku_: added 2nd param to switch-for-kernel to set prefix, as I sometimes want to call it on computer with uSD in card reader or without chroot on neo
May 06 12:04:40 <JaMa> mrmoku_: and shr-lite-image built ok
May 06 12:04:51 * mrmoku_ still convinced systemd is a good thing
May 06 12:05:30 <mrmoku_> but still to complex for our needs
May 06 12:05:33 <JaMa> mrmoku_: I'll rebuild from scratch shr-u on buildhost
May 06 12:05:44 <mrmoku_> JaMa: great
May 06 12:06:06 <JaMa> haven't tried to boot new image, but I think that this shouldn't break :)
May 06 12:06:26 <JaMa> and better to have rebuild finished soon for new cookies :)
May 06 12:08:05 <mrmoku_> can't check cookies now
May 06 12:08:38 <JaMa> on patchwork?
May 06 12:08:58 <JaMa> I meant also pushed libphone-ui-shr cookies
May 06 12:09:34 <mrmoku_> ahh 
May 06 12:09:42 <JaMa> and yes, patchwork is still broken, is it running on same host? or is it provided by bearstech?
May 06 12:09:50 <JaMa> on some other host?
May 06 12:10:19 <mrmoku_> other host
May 06 12:11:13 <JaMa> ok I'll ask them
May 06 12:12:54 <mrmoku> ahh... real keyboard is still better :P
May 06 12:32:30 <JaMa> blindcoder: hi, svn on http://scavenger.homeip.net seems sometimes down, I would remove AUTOREV for fltkspacetrader and you can ping me when you have important upgrade, ok?
May 06 12:45:34 <Weiss> mrmoku: just pushed some fixes and debug statements to the gdrm-for-merging branch.. would be great if you could try them out
May 06 12:46:03 <Weiss> the cmdq handling might be totally broken.. I can't test it myself right now though. hopefully it works well enough to see if the screen works though
May 06 12:47:37 <mrmoku> Weiss: ok
May 06 12:48:50 <mrmoku> Weiss: gdrm-for-merging branch?
May 06 12:53:15 <Weiss> yep
May 06 12:53:26 <Weiss> http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/gdrm-for-merging
May 06 13:09:01 <mrmoku> Weiss: your branch does not have the defconfig we use... are you only interested in the last commit with debug info?
May 06 13:09:09 <mrmoku> Weiss: then I would just add that one as patch
May 06 13:17:29 <Weiss> mrmoku: the last two are needed to make it work.. the last one probably won't apply correctly..
May 06 13:17:37 <Weiss> I could add the defconfig
May 06 13:17:48 <mrmoku> Weiss: that would be great :)
May 06 13:19:31 <mrmoku> Weiss: ./arch/arm/configs/gta02_drm_defconfig is what we use
May 06 13:22:02 <Weiss> I'll put the config that I'm using in that position
May 06 13:22:47 <mrmoku> ok
May 06 13:28:15 <Weiss> mrmoku: done
May 06 14:02:53 <mrmoku> Weiss: built and installed... gives me WSoD immediately on boot :P
May 06 14:07:48 <andli> hello openmoko hackers
May 06 14:07:50 <andli> anyone here that are experienced in changing USB descriptors in uboot source code?
May 06 14:08:15 <lindi-> andli: what are you trying to change?
May 06 14:08:31 <Guest54393> anyone here has issues with intunes playlist?
May 06 14:08:43 <Guest54393> intune has horribly performance problems here
May 06 14:09:09 <Weiss> mrmoku: d'oh... actual "D" in "WSoD", or can you still SSH?
May 06 14:09:10 <andli> lindi-: hello, I need to find out where USB descriptors are configured or set. if it is possible to change dynamically in u-boot source code.
May 06 14:09:26 <lindi-> andli: yes but why do you want to change them?
May 06 14:09:39 <andli> lindi-: customer requirements
May 06 14:09:43 <mrmoku> Weiss: well... I was playing with fsoinitd the same time... no ssh... let me retry with normal init :)
May 06 14:10:43 <lindi-> andli: ok but what exactly do you want to change there? iSerial?
May 06 14:16:17 <DocScrutinizer> moin
May 06 14:16:39 <mrmoku> Weiss: ok, can ssh into it now
May 06 14:16:42 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: moin
May 06 14:17:01 <mrmoku> Weiss: glamo-fb: probe of glamo-fb.0 failed with error -2
May 06 14:18:00 <andli> lindi-: new USB String descriptors
May 06 14:18:32 <Weiss> mrmoku: anything more in dmesg?
May 06 14:19:11 <mrmoku> Weiss: all interesting stuff has glamo in it?
May 06 14:20:01 <mrmoku> Weiss: http://pastie.org/948460
May 06 14:21:04 <mrmoku> Weiss: entering (old_state=off, new_state=normal)
May 06 14:22:41 <mrmoku> Weiss: and one ENABLED directly after the error above
May 06 14:22:49 <mrmoku> other interesting stuff I can't see
May 06 14:24:09 <andli> lindi-:  where  u-boot source code is USB descriptors set?
May 06 14:25:23 <andli>  /include/usbdescriptors.h
May 06 14:34:39 <lindi-> andli: found it?
May 06 14:46:35 <andli> lindi-: no
May 06 15:29:02 <Weiss> mrmoku: "glamo-fb glamo-fb.0: Unable to find 2D registers." is what I was looking for.. thanks
May 06 15:37:40 <Weiss> mrmoku: try now..
May 06 15:47:24 <mrmoku> Weiss: thanks, building
May 06 16:01:26 <soltys> any one know how to fix shr_elm_softkey not starting with X ?
May 06 16:01:50 <soltys> (shr unstable upgraded few minutes ago)
May 06 16:06:10 <mrmoku> Weiss: ok, white screen is gone... have a kernel panic instead now :P
May 06 16:06:19 <mrmoku> Setting mode!
May 06 16:06:21 <mrmoku> Setting base!
May 06 16:06:36 <mrmoku> entering (old_state....)
May 06 16:06:56 <mrmoku> and then VFS: Unable to mount root fs
May 06 16:07:00 <mrmoku> hmm
May 06 16:07:16 <mrmoku> that smells like missing rootdelay
May 06 16:08:01 <mrmoku> Weiss: sorry for the noise... second boot is better :)
May 06 16:15:25 <Weiss> mrmoku|dinner: is that while blanking, or booting?
May 06 16:41:15 <mrmoku> Weiss: that was booting
May 06 16:41:32 <mrmoku> blank test is due now
May 06 16:55:23 <mrmoku> Weiss: http://pastie.org/948724
May 06 16:57:49 <mrmoku> Weiss: blanking tests started after 18:42
May 06 16:58:22 <mrmoku> Weiss: two times short blanking which came back fine... and then one longer blanking which gave me white as snow on unblank
May 06 16:59:42 <Weiss> ok... looks sensible (apart from the cmdq stuff being broken as suspected)
May 06 17:08:45 <JaMa> soltys: put delay before starting, it see ML
May 06 17:09:46 <soltys> mhm
May 06 17:24:20 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r843acb57d82f 10/fsoinitd/src/configurations/palmpre.vala: fsoinitd: palmpre: remount rootfs rw and start udev
May 06 17:24:26 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rb901ce81dbcf 10/fsoinitd/src/main.vala: fsoinitd: run InitProcessWorker outside GLib.MainLoop
May 06 18:01:50 <mrmoku> morphis: heyho
May 06 18:02:00 <mrmoku> morphis: first try was not succesful :P
May 06 18:02:11 <morphis> heyho
May 06 18:02:13 <morphis> not?
May 06 18:02:16 <morphis> hm
May 06 18:02:16 <mrmoku> gave me a 'trying to kill init kernel panic'
May 06 18:02:25 <morphis> ok
May 06 18:02:30 <mrmoku> but
May 06 18:02:34 <mrmoku> might be my fault
May 06 18:02:46 <mrmoku> I tried the remounting root rw differently
May 06 18:02:50 <morphis> du you linked fsoinitd to /init?
May 06 18:02:58 <mrmoku> with  a normal mount action
May 06 18:03:00 <morphis> s/du/do/
May 06 18:03:00 <apt> morphis meant: do you linked fsoinitd to /init?
May 06 18:03:11 <mrmoku> morphis: no, I appended init=/usr/bin/fsoinitd to kernel cmdline
May 06 18:03:12 <morphis> like mount -o remount,rw / ?
May 06 18:03:15 <morphis> ok
May 06 18:03:31 <morphis> hm
May 06 18:03:37 <mrmoku> will retry now the way you did it for palmpre
May 06 18:04:07 <morphis> with the MountFilesystemAction?
May 06 18:04:39 <mrmoku> queue.registerAction(new MountFilesystemAction.with_settings((Posix.mode_t) 0755, "/dev/root", "/", "", Linux.MountFlags.MS_REMOUNT));
May 06 18:05:15 <morphis> ah ok
May 06 18:06:20 <morphis> I do it currently with a 'queue.registerAction(new SpawnProcessAction.with_settings("mount -o remount,rw /"));'
May 06 18:06:36 <mrmoku> yep, saw the commit
May 06 18:07:03 <mrmoku> and that you're going udev for now
May 06 18:07:11 <morphis> hehe :)
May 06 18:07:37 <morphis> jepp,I tried to port devtmpfs back to 2.6.24, but it seems not to be as simple as I thought
May 06 18:18:26 <morphis> hm, it's not that easy to debug fsoinitd with no console output ...
May 06 18:19:23 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r9b09f33c2628 10/fsoinitd/src/configurations/palmpre.vala: fsoinitd: palmpre: enable leds for debugging as we currently have no console output
May 06 18:21:42 <mrmoku> morphis: yep :/
May 06 19:07:33 <morphis> yeah , I have a framebuffer console on the palm pre!
May 06 19:08:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, adding a gprs connection manager in another tab
May 06 19:09:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, and also a resource manager.
May 06 19:12:38 <PaulFertser> morphis: yo! You guys are doing great!
May 06 19:12:53 <morphis> :)
May 06 19:13:06 <Kensan> morphis: good stuff
May 06 19:13:46 <morphis> jupp, and touchscreen should work, too
May 06 19:19:49 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r686545e2b0b6 10/fsoinitd/src/configurations/palmpre.vala: fsoinit: palmpre: only use SpawnProcessAction to run certain commands
May 06 19:34:14 <mrmoku> TAsn: I started the GPRS thing... in the same tab though
May 06 19:34:26 <TAsn> this tab is too crowded.
May 06 19:34:39 <TAsn> I want another tab for wifi+gprs+resources
May 06 19:34:58 <TAsn> I don't fancy the idea of scrolling in a quick-settings application.
May 06 19:35:13 <mrmoku> yeah, scrolling is bad
May 06 19:38:54 <mrmoku> TAsn: tabs with toolbar then?
May 06 19:39:01 <TAsn> yes
May 06 19:39:21 <TAsn> like the draft that rui made.
May 06 19:39:48 <TAsn> actually a resources page doesn't make sense atm
May 06 19:39:57 <TAsn> just a wifi/bt/gprs on/off thingie.
May 06 19:40:03 <TAsn> no editing of gprs data
May 06 19:40:11 <TAsn> as for wifi, don't really handle it atm.
May 06 19:47:54 <mrmoku> TAsn: hmm... why not call SetCredentials too?
May 06 19:48:10 <TAsn> Because you *NEVER*
May 06 19:48:16 <TAsn> change gprs credentials
May 06 19:48:26 <TAsn> and that's just a waste of space
May 06 19:48:38 <mrmoku> well... then let me explain what I intend to do ;)
May 06 19:48:46 <mrmoku> you have to call SetCredentials once per boot
May 06 19:48:49 <mrmoku> (or fsogsmd start)
May 06 19:48:52 <TAsn> Maybe if you can squeeze it in there, add a small button on the side to expand an inwin.
May 06 19:48:59 <mrmoku> no
May 06 19:49:07 <mrmoku> if you slide the thing to turn GPRS on
May 06 19:49:13 <mrmoku> it calls ActivateContext
May 06 19:49:18 <TAsn> Of course.
May 06 19:49:26 <mrmoku> which will fail with a nice error, when credentials are not yet set
May 06 19:49:38 <mrmoku> and then it should pop up a nice inwin where you can give the credentials
May 06 19:49:45 <TAsn> nah
May 06 19:49:48 <TAsn> that'll be annoying.
May 06 19:49:59 <TAsn> I don't want to set the credentials on every boot :|
May 06 19:50:09 <TAsn> Especially since we have a nice rolling release phone
May 06 19:50:20 <TAsn> which means we need to boot sometimes (it's just easier to restart stuff this way)
May 06 19:50:32 <TAsn> I think a phonefsod
May 06 19:50:38 <TAsn> SetCredentials
May 06 19:50:39 <mrmoku> I wanted to talk with mickey|sports if that is something that should be stored with fsogsmd...
May 06 19:50:43 <mrmoku> maybe not
May 06 19:50:46 <TAsn> method 
May 06 19:50:49 <TAsn> may be good
May 06 19:51:13 <TAsn> one that will be run upon activation of gsm resource
May 06 19:51:16 <TAsn> or something like that.
May 06 19:51:36 <mrmoku> hmm... almost sounds sane :P
May 06 19:51:44 <mrmoku> where to store those? 
May 06 19:52:28 <mrmoku> hmm... and what if you change SIM?
May 06 19:53:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, we can save it per imsi
May 06 19:53:47 <TAsn> but that's being more saint than the pope.
May 06 19:53:53 <TAsn> :P
May 06 19:54:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, where to store those? phonefsod config location (not one that's overwritten by the package).
May 06 19:55:24 <mrmoku> ok, fine, will do that later then... and continue with the activation part in QS
May 06 19:55:58 <TAsn> cool.
May 06 19:56:26 <TAsn> btw, we really need to start designing the plugin system :P
May 06 19:56:37 <TAsn> We really need a cool way to add plugins
May 06 19:56:47 <TAsn> i.e run foo when bar happens
May 06 19:56:53 <TAsn> or add foo2 to menu bar3
May 06 19:57:25 <TAsn> btw I only now came home :(
May 06 19:57:32 <TAsn> Been at work for HOURS
May 06 19:57:40 <TAsn> and then went to a friend for a couple more :(
May 06 19:58:21 <mrmoku> hehe
May 06 19:58:33 * mrmoku _should_ have worked hours... and did not :P
May 06 19:58:55 <mrmoku> playing with my phone will ruin me one day ;)
May 06 19:59:18 <TAsn> :P
May 06 20:01:11 <morphis> mrmoku: success with fsoinitd?
May 06 20:03:33 <mrmoku> morphis: no, not yet
May 06 20:03:40 <morphis> ok
May 06 20:04:24 <mrmoku> it is quite stupid to test... have to rip out the SD and rm noboot-GTA02 on my working partition to be able to boot again :P
May 06 20:04:34 * mrmoku still has a broken AUX key
May 06 20:05:16 <mrmoku> morphis: and I'm a bit clueless too... without having any output
May 06 20:05:23 <morphis> jupp
May 06 20:05:43 <morphis> will change that
May 06 20:06:02 <mrmoku> great
May 06 20:06:23 <morphis> but stop
May 06 20:06:27 <morphis> it should be simple
May 06 20:06:40 <morphis> just add a fsoinitd.conf to /etc/freesmartphone
May 06 20:07:08 <morphis> with [logger] log_to = stderr
May 06 20:07:13 <morphis> that should work
May 06 20:07:31 <mrmoku> ohh
May 06 20:07:42 <mrmoku> interesting
May 06 20:07:49 * mrmoku tries
May 06 20:08:24 * morphis praises mickey for this great work with cornucopia 
May 06 20:08:31 <morphis> s/this/his/
May 06 20:09:05 <mrmoku> morphis: it is using standard fso way, right? can put it in /etc/freesmartphone/conf/default then?
May 06 20:09:31 <morphis> jupp
May 06 20:10:05 <morphis> hmm, got some oe error
May 06 20:10:07 <TAsn> what an awesome commercial
May 06 20:10:07 <morphis> ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-depmod-' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
May 06 20:10:08 <TAsn> http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/google-chrome-video-test/
May 06 20:10:13 <morphis> some thoughts?
May 06 20:10:55 <morphis> I am using the latest org.openembedded.org branch
May 06 20:11:36 <mrmoku> morphis: no output before the kernel panic... and no idea about that RDEPENDS thing
May 06 20:11:49 <morphis> hm ok
May 06 20:12:18 <Heinervdm> morphis: this RDEPENDS sounds wrong
May 06 20:12:24 <Heinervdm> which package is it?
May 06 20:12:30 <morphis> mrmoku: can you show me your gta02 configuration for fsoinitd?
May 06 20:13:03 <morphis> Heinervdm: don't now it's just the output above with no package mentioned
May 06 20:13:30 <morphis> hm, but build runs fine (for now)
May 06 20:13:33 <mrmoku> morphis: I could just commit it
May 06 20:13:44 <morphis> mrmoku: would be great
May 06 20:15:25 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07cornucopia * r9e4c087983b1 10/fsoinitd/src/configurations/om-gta02.vala: 
May 06 20:15:25 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: fsoinitd/configurations: add a configuration for om-gta02
May 06 20:15:25 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
May 06 20:15:37 <TAsn> hm.. iliwi segs here.
May 06 20:16:05 <morphis> ähm mrmoku, how do you build fsoinitd?
May 06 20:16:09 <TAsn> in libgee
May 06 20:16:26 <morphis> no change to Makefile.am and configure.ac in your commit
May 06 20:16:36 <JaMa> morphis: some package cannot detect expected kernel so cannot decide if that RDEPENDS ands with -2.6 or -2.4 imho
May 06 20:16:54 <morphis> ah ok
May 06 20:17:11 <JaMa> seen that with nslu build, but never with shr builds
May 06 20:17:20 <morphis> it's no shr build
May 06 20:17:31 <morphis> it's my personal image
May 06 20:17:33 <JaMa> angstrom also works ok :)
May 06 20:17:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, if you can, next time you see dos1, instruct him how to adjust shr-settings to work with GPRS.
May 06 20:17:45 * morphis uses the minimal distro
May 06 20:19:09 <spaetz> i'll be offline till tuesday, btw
May 06 20:19:18 <mrmoku> TAsn: I took a look at shr-settings... that's why I started to do it in QS
May 06 20:19:30 <mrmoku> TAsn: because dos1 is away for five days :/
May 06 20:19:31 <spaetz> first family celebrations the flight to us.
May 06 20:19:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, :(
May 06 20:19:43 <TAsn> mrmoku, I don't even have time to breathe :(
May 06 20:19:49 <TAsn> I wish I had time to fix shr-settinsg myself.
May 06 20:19:56 <spaetz> don't break stuff in the meanwhile.
May 06 20:19:59 <TAsn> though it should probably be *VERY* simple.
May 06 20:20:07 <TAsn> Just making a proxy for phonefsod
May 06 20:20:09 <mrmoku> morphis: I build it with a slightly modifed recipe
May 06 20:20:11 <TAsn> And renaming some calls.
May 06 20:20:12 <mrmoku> let me pastebin
May 06 20:20:35 <mrmoku> morphis: http://pastie.org/949078
May 06 20:21:02 <morphis> mrmoku: but you did no modifactions to configure.ac and Makefile.am :)
May 06 20:21:07 <morphis> forgot to commit them?
May 06 20:21:13 <mrmoku> morphis: hehe lol
May 06 20:21:20 <morphis> :)
May 06 20:21:23 <mrmoku> that explains my problems :P
May 06 20:21:43 <morphis> jepp, then fsoinitd uses the dummy configuration, which does nothing :)
May 06 20:21:53 <mrmoku> :)
May 06 20:25:20 <Heinervdm> (fsoinitd) what i've thougt about is that there should be sth like rc.local at the end of the bootprocess, because some people don't want to recompile it just to add a programm
May 06 20:30:27 <morphis> Heinervdm: hm, why not (added it to the TODO list)
May 06 20:31:01 <Heinervdm> default one is a script with just an exit 0 in it
May 06 20:31:34 <morphis> jupp
May 06 20:31:45 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: guess no default is needed... if it is not there... it should just not execute it :)
May 06 20:32:11 <Heinervdm> or that way :)
May 06 20:32:12 <morphis> :)
May 06 20:32:21 <Heinervdm> but there should be sth like that
May 06 20:32:45 <rhkfin> spaetz: ping
May 06 20:33:02 <spaetz> pong
May 06 20:33:22 <rhkfin> spaetz: what's the time for changes made in SHR-U to arrive in -T? How long test period is given?
May 06 20:34:00 <morphis> Heinervdm: but it should be launched in background
May 06 20:34:14 <spaetz> depends, I try to keep things stable mostly andd only bump bug fixes.
May 06 20:34:23 <morphis> so there should only apps in which are not important for the initial system bootup
May 06 20:34:41 <spaetz> but from time to time, I'll make more sweeping chhanges.
May 06 20:34:49 <morphis> everything needed to have a graphical ui at end of the process should be launch from fsoinitd directly
May 06 20:34:55 <spaetz> so it depends.
May 06 20:35:21 <rhkfin> spaetz: I was just wondering where did the 'can't write SMS' bug come from. I heard that continue -> back solves it as it does, but how is it possible that no-one didn't see it in unstable.. 
May 06 20:35:32 <rhkfin> is there a fix for it in the feeds?
May 06 20:35:59 <spaetz> I din't think so, I still have it :-(
May 06 20:36:14 <rhkfin> right.
May 06 20:36:16 <rhkfin> ..
May 06 20:36:17 <spaetz> i'm not even sure what is causing it.
May 06 20:36:38 <spaetz> if efl bumping would fix it, for example.
May 06 20:36:39 <JaMa> it was in shr-u, but IIRC mrmoku fixed it in libphone*
May 06 20:36:48 <spaetz> but
May 06 20:36:52 <spaetz> ahh
May 06 20:37:03 <spaetz> that would bbe fixable then
May 06 20:37:16 <rhkfin> ok, great
May 06 20:37:23 <spaetz> but I'm leaving in a few hours for a 3 week trip
May 06 20:37:32 <JaMa> and there is another bug in illume2 when you don't get focus to started app like vala-terminal
May 06 20:37:56 <spaetz> and I won't have time nor opportunity to compile/test/bump
May 06 20:38:06 <JaMa> but the same is in latest illume2 on my desktop so it's not SHR specific issu
May 06 20:38:09 <JaMa> e
May 06 20:38:25 <spaetz> so either we wait 3 weeks or someone else will have to bump
May 06 20:38:26 <rhkfin> spaetz: hmm.. autch and ok and enjoy your trip!
May 06 20:38:40 * rhkfin pings this mysterious 'someone else' :)
May 06 20:38:57 <spaetz> there are plenty of people here that can bump pkgs ;-)
May 06 20:39:06 * JaMa hides
May 06 20:39:06 <spaetz> rhkfin, thanks.
May 06 20:39:38 <JaMa> yup enjoy US :)
May 06 20:40:12 <rhkfin> How about DEBUG, is it still needed here&there to solve the race conditions? I have it enabled..
May 06 20:40:26 <Heinervdm> morphis: i'm thinking about additional deamons or testing things. So only unimportant (for the basic image) things should be in that script
May 06 20:40:29 <spaetz> I will :;-)
May 06 20:41:38 <morphis> Heinervdm: jupp
May 06 20:49:53 <mrmoku> morphis: still the same kernel panic without any output :/
May 06 20:50:19 <morphis> hm
May 06 20:50:22 <mrmoku> btw. why did you switch the mount thingies to spawn?
May 06 20:50:42 <morphis> as I doubt that the MountFilesystemAction does not work correctly
May 06 20:50:57 <morphis> I even have problems with it on the Palm Ppre
May 06 20:51:00 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
May 06 20:51:14 <ftn> Hi there. I'm using SHR-t and, from time to time, the keyboard doesn't send the keys being pressed. Any hint about it?, please
May 06 20:51:35 <rhkfin> ftn: especially when writing SMS?
May 06 20:51:48 <mrmoku> :)
May 06 20:52:14 <rhkfin> mrmoku: gotta share every bit of information I have :)
May 06 20:52:29 <ftn> well, and when I'm using leafpad, and the terminal, etc
May 06 20:52:44 <ftn> though literki does work in those cases
May 06 20:55:25 <TAsn> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c209717f27fefa28113e1d717a601c9.png
May 06 20:55:29 <TAsn> who's this?
May 06 20:55:48 <rhkfin> is that illume2?
May 06 20:57:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: uhh... from munich
May 06 20:57:08 <mrmoku> not me though :P
May 06 20:57:24 <TAsn> rhkfin, with some adjustments, yeah.
May 06 20:57:29 <rhkfin> TAsn: ok
May 06 21:01:33 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r888eaee03e53 10/fsoinitd/ (TODO src/Makefile.am src/additionalbootprocessaction.vala): 
May 06 21:01:34 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: fsoinitd: add AdditionalBootProcessAction
May 06 21:01:34 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: Sometimes the distribution have to launch several additional processes while booting. As
May 06 21:01:34 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: we want the boot process as short and small as possible the AdditionBootProcessAction
May 06 21:01:34 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: adds the possibility to start additional processes right after the main boot process. It
May 06 21:01:34 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: is launched in the background so the user see the UI comming up while several other
May 06 21:01:35 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: process are launched.
May 06 21:03:03 <morphis> Heinervdm: see above commit message :)
May 06 21:03:18 <Heinervdm> ye :)
May 06 21:05:53 <PaulFertser> TAsn: hey, how do you decide it's the time to add another call to the pim db? Does it depends on signals too?
May 06 21:06:03 <TAsn> only on signals.
May 06 21:06:07 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i mean it never failed for me afair. But messages did.
May 06 21:06:15 <TAsn> weird.
May 06 21:08:32 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: any idea why GSM.Network.GetStatus shows pdp.registration == home after calling DeactivateContext?
May 06 21:08:36 <mrmoku> ppp interface is gone
May 06 21:10:17 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: no idea, i just do not show pdp.* fields in my UI :)
May 06 21:11:31 <PaulFertser> TAsn: hm, i think i see now that sometimes fsogsmd doesn't emit a signal though there's an incoming message stored on sim.
May 06 21:11:53 <TAsn> PaulFertser, this happens with "connected messages"
May 06 21:12:03 <TAsn> "split"
May 06 21:12:04 <TAsn> ffs
May 06 21:12:07 <TAsn> :P
May 06 21:12:33 <TAsn> PaulFertser, and possibly in a buggy way also in other cases.
May 06 21:13:02 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: how to determine if GPRS is active or not?
May 06 21:13:25 <mrmoku> mickey|sports: ping :)
May 06 21:13:59 <PaulFertser> TAsn: ( "read", "InternetSMS", "test", { "pid": 0, "mms": false, "udhi": false, "dcs": 8, "sri": false, "rp": false, "udl": 8 } )
May 06 21:14:12 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i use PDP signals for that
May 06 21:14:14 <TAsn> PaulFertser, ?
May 06 21:14:32 <max_posedon> btw, when gprs support will return to shr-U?
May 06 21:14:34 <PaulFertser> TAsn: that's the message that i just sent myself, landed on SIM. Without a signal.
May 06 21:14:51 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: should be already there. GPRS works damn nice for me with the latest fsogsmd.
May 06 21:14:51 <TAsn> PaulFertser, ask mickey then.
May 06 21:15:19 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: ohh... I thought ContextStatus is no more... 
May 06 21:15:41 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: the signal works nicely.
May 06 21:18:07 <mrmoku> root@om-gta02 ~ # mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.DeactivateContext
May 06 21:18:10 <mrmoku> org.freesmartphone.Unavailable: Can't deactivate context while in status FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_CONTEXT_STATUS_OUTGOING
May 06 21:18:13 <mrmoku> heh
May 06 21:18:25 <mrmoku> and
May 06 21:18:26 <mrmoku> root@om-gta02 ~ # mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext  
May 06 21:18:29 <mrmoku> org.freesmartphone.Unavailable: Can't activate context while in status FREE_SMARTPHONE_GSM_CONTEXT_STATUS_OUTGOING
May 06 21:18:32 <mrmoku> :P
May 06 21:21:40 <TAsn> am I the only one missing
May 06 21:21:43 <TAsn> the shr-settings
May 06 21:21:46 <TAsn> icon?
May 06 21:22:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: use the one in the topbar :P
May 06 21:22:36 <TAsn> sucks.
May 06 21:22:39 <TAsn> I don't like bugs
May 06 21:22:44 <TAsn> even if there are workarounds.
May 06 21:22:48 <mrmoku> TAsn: if I understood correctly it will be fixed with next EFL bump
May 06 21:22:56 <TAsn> :)
May 06 21:22:57 <TAsn> Okie.
May 06 21:23:04 <mrmoku> (and should be fixed now if you give it Categories: Utils;
May 06 21:23:06 <mrmoku> )
May 06 21:23:09 <mrmoku> or something like that
May 06 21:23:31 <PaulFertser> TAsn: but now i actually got a message, got a signal. Got nothing in opimd.
May 06 21:23:42 <PaulFertser> TAsn: and then i called myself and got a missed call in opimd.
May 06 21:23:58 <TAsn> PaulFertser, lol?
May 06 21:24:12 <TAsn> PaulFertser, remember I promised you I'll take a look at the code?
May 06 21:24:17 <TAsn> Haven't got there yet ;P
May 06 21:24:30 <PaulFertser> [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingTextMessage  /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device  :1.134
May 06 21:24:30 <TAsn> And I won't either, at least in the very near future.
May 06 21:24:33 <PaulFertser> ( "InternetSMS", "10/05/07,01:22:38+16", "test3" )
May 06 21:24:56 <PaulFertser> TAsn: you told me you've already looked at the code ;)
May 06 21:25:02 <TAsn> A couple of times
May 06 21:25:06 <TAsn> but you asked for an extra.
May 06 21:25:21 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r6c7a38eb050c 10/fsoinitd/src/ (Makefile.am contracts.vala setuphostnameaction.vala): fsoinitd: add action to set the hostname of the device
May 06 21:25:24 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r798a0c0d4ad5 10/fsoinitd/src/configurations/palmpre.vala: fsoinitd: palmpre: use the new SetupHostnameAction
May 06 21:25:25 <PaulFertser> Well, i'm ready to participate in finding the beast. But what can i do?
May 06 21:25:40 <TAsn> PaulFertser, pimd_messag.spy
May 06 21:25:44 <TAsn> messages*
May 06 21:25:46 <PaulFertser> TAsn: e.g. i can tell you there's no tracebacks in the frameworkd log at the time the message is received.
May 06 21:25:48 <TAsn> look in the fso handler
May 06 21:25:55 <TAsn> if you can spot anything wrong, let me know.
May 06 21:26:04 <morphis> mrmoku: btw. you don't have to start fso*d within fsoinitd
May 06 21:26:09 <TAsn> PaulFertser, try running from ssh
May 06 21:26:20 <TAsn> as tracebacks are printed in stderr, not in log.
May 06 21:26:26 <PaulFertser> TAsn: all of them?
May 06 21:26:34 <TAsn> IIRC, yes.
May 06 21:26:35 <morphis> mrmoku: the are launched on the first dbus call on their path
May 06 21:26:41 <morphis> mrmoku: by dbus
May 06 21:26:45 <PaulFertser> TAsn: why do you get ophoned tracebacks in the log then?
May 06 21:26:53 <mrmoku> morphis: yeah, but for fsodeviced that is too late and for fsotdld nobody calls anything :P
May 06 21:27:07 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I said, IIRC!
May 06 21:27:09 <PaulFertser> s/you/I/
May 06 21:27:10 <apt> PaulFertser meant: TAsn: why do I get ophoned tracebacks in the log then?
May 06 21:27:11 <PaulFertser> :)
May 06 21:27:26 <TAsn> PaulFertser, maybe ophoned catches exceptions and prints them to log
May 06 21:27:35 <TAsn> PaulFertser, should have been done in frameworkd
May 06 21:27:39 <TAsn> but I don't think it is done.
May 06 21:27:49 <morphis> mrmoku: hm
May 06 21:28:37 <PaulFertser> TAsn: hm, probably you're right. Let me try that...
May 06 21:28:47 <TAsn> PaulFertser, easy to test
May 06 21:28:57 <TAsn> PaulFertser, just indent something you shouldn't :P
May 06 21:34:34 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i enabled DEBUG for libfsotransport but sometimes that's not enough: [DEBUG] libfsotransport <Serial /dev/ttySAC0@115200 (fd 30)>: read 22 bytes and silence
May 06 21:35:01 <mrmoku> hmm
May 06 21:35:09 <morphis> mrmoku: maybe we should introduce a DBusActivatorAction which starts fsodeviced/fsotdld/phonefsod
May 06 21:35:21 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: mickey|sports will silence those read xx bytes loggers
May 06 21:35:40 <mrmoku> morphis: that would be interesting, yes
May 06 21:35:41 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: but i'd like to know what the hell modem's written to me
May 06 21:35:51 <TAsn> night.
May 06 21:36:07 <morphis> mrmoku: hm, will think about it
May 06 21:36:12 <mrmoku> ok
May 06 21:36:23 <PaulFertser> TAsn: night
May 06 21:37:55 <PaulFertser> TAsn: no tracebacks there
May 06 21:45:32 <morphis> mrmoku: basics action is done, but I don't really know if only requesting an object provided by the daemon is enough to let dbus start the service
May 06 21:45:40 <morphis> s/basics/basic/
May 06 21:45:40 <apt> morphis meant: mrmoku: basic action is done, but I don't really know if only requesting an object provided by the daemon is enough to let dbus start the service
May 06 21:46:18 <mrmoku> morphis: mickey|sports told me that every service has some freedesktop.Ping method you can call to activate it
May 06 21:46:24 <PaulFertser> TAsn: hm, opimd calls uses another method of getting the signals comparing to the Messages. 
May 06 21:46:30 <morphis> ah ok
May 06 21:46:38 <morphis> that would be an option
May 06 21:46:42 <TAsn> PaulFertser, so maybe I fucked up :P
May 06 21:46:46 <TAsn> tell me tomorrow please.
May 06 21:46:50 <TAsn> night again.
May 06 21:47:14 <PaulFertser> connect_to_signal vs add_signal_receiver
May 06 21:47:17 <PaulFertser> TAsn: ok
May 06 21:47:22 <PaulFertser> TAsn: sleep tight :)
May 06 21:47:52 <morphis> TAsn: goo night!
May 06 21:47:58 <morphis> s/goo/good/
May 06 21:48:00 <spaetz> sweet dreams
May 06 21:48:00 <apt> morphis meant: TAsn: good night!
May 06 21:48:07 <morphis> damn this fucking keyboard!
May 06 21:48:42 * spaetz wonders what a goo night might be like
May 06 21:49:40 <morphis> :)
May 06 22:04:12 <mrmoku> me goo's to bed too :P
May 06 22:04:18 <mrmoku> gnight all
May 06 22:06:47 <spaetz> night.
May 06 22:06:53 <spaetz> me too.
May 06 22:07:05 * spaetz waves good night.
May 06 22:08:53 <morphis> good night!
May 06 22:22:16 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r197ad21c0505 10/fsoinitd/src/ (Makefile.am contracts.vala dbusactivatoraction.vala): fsoinitd: add action to activate services over dbus (not tested)
May 06 22:22:16 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r378f93451dbc 10/fsoinitd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsoinitd: make om-gta02 configuration available through ./configure
May 06 22:50:05 <DocScrutinizer51> my personal internet coming out: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10016
May 06 22:50:34 <DocScrutinizer51> first ever data intentionallz published
May 07 01:19:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders if anybody's alive on that boring planet
May 07 01:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
May 07 01:50:21 <apt> DocScrutinizer: :)
May 07 02:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> good night everybody
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