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May 16 07:39:32 <[Rui]> hi, something got seriously borked with sound recently
May 16 07:39:49 <[Rui]> I hear the other side *very* low and the other side hears a lot of echo
May 16 08:52:10 <ferluszt> i compiled elementary on my ubuntu 10.04 with the easy_e17.sh script. but when i start an elementary based program e.g. elementary_test  the following errors http://nopaste.info/91254f906b.html appear.
May 16 11:37:16 <daniele_athome> morning!
May 16 11:38:59 <max_posedon> vala, how to diable generation files like valaccodecommaexpression.gcda
May 16 11:39:06 <max_posedon> or specify them other folder
May 16 11:39:35 <max_posedon> now they generates files where vala was compiled, and its volotile security
May 16 11:40:29 <max_posedon> and this vala hehaviour is smth new from vala-0.8*, it wasn't like this before
May 16 11:41:00 <max_posedon> mickeyl, ?
May 16 11:41:55 <playya__> arent the gcda files for coverage analysis?
May 16 11:43:06 <playya__> max_posedon, http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.2/gcc/Gcov-Data-Files.html
May 16 11:43:13 <max_posedon> hm, I'll try compile vala with --disable-coverage
May 16 11:44:03 <max_posedon> thanks
May 16 11:48:50 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, still that 512 cms error :(
May 16 11:49:01 <daniele_athome> or actually a similar one
May 16 11:50:39 <daniele_athome> mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/YxDN6xSf
May 16 11:50:49 <daniele_athome> please dont' let me use android :P
May 16 11:50:55 <daniele_athome> s/dont'/don't/
May 16 11:50:56 <apt> daniele_athome meant: please don't let me use android :P
May 16 12:24:53 <ferluszt>  i compiled elementary on my ubuntu 10.04 with the easy_e17.sh script. but when i start an elementary based program e.g. elementary_test  the following errors http://nopaste.info/91254f906b.html appear.
May 16 14:44:34 <dcordes> mickeyl, GNUtoo plop
May 16 14:44:42 <GNUtoo> hi
May 16 14:44:47 <GNUtoo> we are moving here?
May 16 14:46:25 <dcordes> GNUtoo, it's certainly the better place
May 16 14:46:30 <GNUtoo> yes
May 16 14:46:44 <GNUtoo> I asked about n900 because it's based on omap,so:
May 16 14:46:48 <GNUtoo> *omapfb
May 16 14:47:03 <GNUtoo> *has DSP which can do video decoding offload
May 16 14:47:12 <GNUtoo> *armv7
May 16 14:47:23 <GNUtoo> unfortunately I think it costs too much
May 16 14:47:33 <GNUtoo> and I must finish dream before
May 16 14:47:43 <GNUtoo> and the keyboard isn't great
May 16 14:48:05 <dcordes> GNUtoo, nexus one also has ootb accerlated X
May 16 14:48:17 <GNUtoo> does it has video decode offload?
May 16 14:48:22 <dcordes> GNUtoo, as you know the xf86-video-msm is designed for that platform (qsd8*)
May 16 14:48:28 <GNUtoo> yes I know
May 16 14:48:34 <dcordes> I don't know what's that
May 16 14:48:44 <GNUtoo> like the DSP of the omap
May 16 14:48:53 <dcordes> yes it has a DSP with very big balls
May 16 14:48:55 <GNUtoo> c64x
May 16 14:49:06 <GNUtoo> yes but can we access it with free software
May 16 14:49:50 <dcordes> GNUtoo, I hope Kensan will document everything in the process
May 16 14:50:01 <dcordes> GNUtoo, so we will find out the details. I'm focusing on hd2
May 16 14:50:10 <GNUtoo> ok
May 16 14:51:33 <GNUtoo> btw about palm pre
May 16 14:51:40 <GNUtoo> did touchscreen get decoded?
May 16 14:57:22 <mickeyl> halfway, yes
May 16 14:57:34 <mickeyl> i heard it's fuzzy around the screen edges
May 16 14:57:41 <mickeyl> but in the middle relatively ok
May 16 14:57:44 <mickeyl> no time to try here
May 16 14:58:11 <GNUtoo> ok
May 16 15:00:12 <mickeyl> phh seems to have gps fully running now
May 16 15:00:27 <mickeyl> what can we do to adapt that work to the dream?
May 16 15:01:27 <[Rui]> btw, rasterman has just committed the fix for the battery module
May 16 15:05:59 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I'll look the framebuffer
May 16 15:08:03 <[Rui]> <raster> 48915 solves a batget issue too
May 16 15:08:17 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, but I *REALLY* but really need help on this part
May 16 15:08:22 <GNUtoo> I'll ask some mailing list
May 16 15:08:33 <GNUtoo> because I already tried without succees
May 16 15:11:24 <[Rui]> the fix for the battery thing, in case you guys don't want to upgrade EFL so soon again: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset?new=48915%40trunk&old=48914%40trunk
May 16 15:24:43 <mrmoku> [Rui]: we have to update anyway for the 'icons refresh again in illume-home' fix
May 16 15:25:30 <[Rui]> mrmobil: ok
May 16 15:46:09 <kahless> hi
May 16 15:53:41 <max_posedon> libfso-glib doesn't compiles with -jN, N>1
May 16 15:55:17 <mrmoku> max_posedon: hmm... it does for me
May 16 15:57:18 <max_posedon> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/214643/
May 16 15:57:29 <max_posedon> with -j1 compiles now
May 16 16:01:23 <mrmoku> max_posedon: just tried with MAKEFLAGS=-j4
May 16 16:02:03 <max_posedon> so, it doesn't compiles with some -jN)
May 16 16:02:22 <mrmoku> max_posedon: make -j2 worked too
May 16 16:02:47 <max_posedon> let me check how you compiles it
May 16 16:02:53 <max_posedon> e.g. my output was from Gentoo
May 16 16:03:05 <mrmoku> hmm
May 16 16:03:22 <mrmoku> I already have freesmartphone.vala... even after maintainer-clean
May 16 16:04:50 <max_posedon> I'm doing full autoreconf
May 16 16:05:28 <max_posedon> (e.g. eautoreconf in gentoo )
May 16 16:12:33 <shaz> how do I find which version of x server is available for openmoko? Or  if someone could just tell me for the common ditributions like shr
May 16 16:14:30 <max_posedon> shaz, shr use xorg-server-1.8
May 16 16:14:48 <max_posedon> (if I'm not mistaken)
May 16 16:16:54 <shaz> k ... but .... let me google some more before asking another question :)
May 16 16:20:28 <shaz> I think that is what the openmoko packager calls it because x.org has reached to version 7.5 by 2009 and ubuntu 9.04 with me has version 7.4
May 16 16:20:45 <shaz> openmoko package versioning I mean
May 16 16:21:16 <mrmoku> shaz: xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.7.6-4.fc12.x86_64
May 16 16:21:21 <mrmoku> (on my fedora box)
May 16 16:21:25 <mrmoku> talking about the _server_ here
May 16 16:21:33 <mrmoku> not complete xorg
May 16 16:23:02 <shaz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server says: "commonly abbreviated to Xorg Server or just Xorg"
May 16 16:23:50 <mrmoku> anyway... dinner time
May 16 16:23:53 <shaz> Actually I want to use selinux object management on openmoko so want to make sure that it has the version that supports it
May 16 16:24:31 <shaz> means that x server enforces selinux policies on its objects
May 16 16:25:09 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, maybe it's random because now with a recompiled kenrel I can suspend with msmfb....strange....maybe debug things and timing?
May 16 16:26:06 <shaz> selinux and userspace libraries and policy support works well with me but not sure if X's version is the one that has support for selinux policy enforcement
May 16 16:26:06 <GNUtoo> I'll do more tests
May 16 16:26:15 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6cb6f0a97f1e 10/docs/TODO: TODO++
May 16 16:26:39 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: yah, all that sounds like some race conditions and not so much a problem w/ FBIOBLANK at all
May 16 16:26:51 <[Rui]> shaz: well, you know the price for that security is that you'll make it even slower, right? :D
May 16 16:26:55 <GNUtoo> reverting fixes it
May 16 16:26:57 <GNUtoo> but
May 16 16:27:03 <GNUtoo> you don't want reverts
May 16 16:27:13 <GNUtoo> because it removes fbioblank
May 16 16:27:40 <mickeyl> did you try reverting the automatic reinit, but keeping the FBIOBLANK?
May 16 16:29:55 <GNUtoo> no
May 16 16:31:20 <shaz> Rui: thats right but security comes at performance. And openmoko for me is more a testbed than a consumer device so performance is not what I want.
May 16 16:32:56 <spaetz> shaz: you might want to start moving everything away from running as root first :)
May 16 16:33:07 <spaetz> as it is currently done in SHR
May 16 16:33:19 <mickeyl> yes, some user and group sanity would be a good start
May 16 16:33:33 <spaetz> before examining selinux :)
May 16 16:33:41 <shaz> Rui: and I further plan to add additional security tools that are even not available/supported for desktop distros :) Soon performance will not be a problem for other open platforms
May 16 16:34:21 <shaz> spaetz: this is something I had planned to check and get done but forgot due to overload of issues :)
May 16 16:35:03 <shaz> mikeyl: I'll have a look at it first thing morning after buttering my boss with some reports
May 16 16:35:38 <mickeyl> ok, cool
May 16 16:38:42 <GNUtoo> mickey|bbq, I think it doesn't work when echo mem > /sys/power/state or suspending from SHR....but I'll try if it works with the timeouts,that is to say wait a bit under SHR and let it suspend
May 16 16:41:33 <shaz> spaetz and mickeyl: Any starting hints about how to handle not running everything as root
May 16 16:46:46 <GNUtoo> shaz, first setuid Xorg
May 16 16:47:30 <GNUtoo> shaz, I've angstrom on my eee701 running not as root thanks to this trick
May 16 16:47:40 <GNUtoo> I can startxfce4 as user
May 16 16:47:54 <GNUtoo> else with something like gdm you may be able to remove this setuid
May 16 16:48:15 <[Rui]> Weiss: ping?
May 16 16:48:15 <GNUtoo> I think that's what the pandora people do(gdb like thing)
May 16 16:48:34 <[Rui]> guys? any idea what this might be?
May 16 16:48:36 <[Rui]> http://pastebin.com/HX8gxm5r
May 16 16:48:47 <[Rui]> there's LOTS of these happening
May 16 16:59:09 <GNUtoo> I think the timeout system runs apm -s
May 16 16:59:16 <GNUtoo> which is fso-apm
May 16 16:59:34 <GNUtoo> if we modify enlightenment to run fso-apm we're ok no?
May 16 17:01:31 <McKael> mickey|bbq: Would be nice if
May 16 17:01:36 <McKael> VibratePattern( 1, duration, 0, strength )
May 16 17:01:41 <McKael> was equiv. to
May 16 17:01:44 <McKael> Vibrate( duration, strength )
May 16 17:04:53 <Weiss> [Rui]: pong
May 16 17:05:29 <[Rui]> Weiss: I noticed that something is launching lot's of x events
May 16 17:05:55 <[Rui]> Weiss: does this tell you something? http://pastebin.com/CdKUBP3s
May 16 17:06:18 <[Rui]> Weiss: doesn't happen if xev is the only X app running
May 16 17:09:58 <[Rui]> and now I've restarted X, it's not happening
May 16 17:09:59 <shaz> GNUtoo: well thats just X but what about others ... needs quite some study!
May 16 17:10:46 <GNUtoo> shaz, not shure....now with old kenrel it doesn't work at all
May 16 17:13:10 <Weiss> [Rui]: I don't know much about X input, I'm afraid..
May 16 17:13:48 <Weiss> only thing I can suggest is waiting for it to happen again, then killing things until it stops happening
May 16 17:13:49 <shaz> GNUtoo: I use the latest 2.6.32 but still don't get your point that it does'nt work with old kernel.
May 16 17:14:17 <[Rui]> Weiss: yeah, seems like stopping everything stopped it, whatever it was :(
May 16 17:14:17 <GNUtoo> shaz, you've also got an htcdream?
May 16 17:15:47 <GNUtoo> apm -s doesn't work either
May 16 17:15:47 <GNUtoo> mmm
May 16 17:16:00 <GNUtoo> I've got an idea
May 16 17:16:23 <GNUtoo> I'll dim the screen
May 16 17:17:13 <GNUtoo> nice...
May 16 17:19:01 <GNUtoo> mmm no
May 16 17:27:01 <GNUtoo> mickey|bbq, does fso fbioblank_powerdown before suspending?
May 16 17:31:06 <shaz> GNUtoo: have access to HTC but haven't used it ... why do u ask about it?
May 16 17:32:00 <GNUtoo> ah ok
May 16 17:32:09 <GNUtoo> I had an issue with framebuffer driver
May 16 17:32:15 <GNUtoo> it prevented suspend 
May 16 17:32:38 <GNUtoo> I'll look deeper into it
May 16 18:09:24 <shaz> Has anyone used openmoko over HTC dream?
May 16 18:15:00 <khoonirobo> ~nf
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May 16 18:18:36 <shaz> GNUtoo: PaulFertser says that you are working on HTC to port openmoko to it .... are there any sources and toolchain available?
May 16 18:19:20 <shaz> Would love to try it. I just don't like Android .... hate Java centric environment
May 16 18:19:33 <PaulFertser> shaz: the development environment is OE
May 16 18:21:06 <shaz> And I have very bad experience with OE ... never got it correctly configured! The toolchain and managing existing root images is how I do my stuff ...
May 16 18:21:17 <shaz> Do you suggest I try OE again :(
May 16 18:21:43 <PaulFertser> shaz: well, OE is in fact a very nice and manageable system. It's most probably you had bad luck with trying it at exactly the wrong (broken) time.
May 16 18:22:01 <PaulFertser> shaz: FSO and SHR are developed as part of OE.
May 16 18:23:02 <max_posedon> shaz, if you dislike OE, you can try Gentoo or Debian
May 16 18:23:11 <max_posedon> but be ready write/fix ebuilds/debs
May 16 18:23:29 <shaz> I;d love to try it again so should where do  start the downloading from so that I have the right thing?
May 16 18:23:30 <PaulFertser> shaz: the toolchain method is like Linux From Scratch -- doable only once, not easily upgradeable, general PITA. OE is very much like Gentoo, only cross-compilation centered.
May 16 18:24:49 <mrmoku> shaz: probably http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR can help you
May 16 18:25:15 <shaz> PaulFertser: What about debian cross build environment ... has anyone written any comparison on these tools like OE, gentoo and debian
May 16 18:25:27 <PaulFertser> shaz: mainline debian is still native-only
May 16 18:25:59 <PaulFertser> shaz: that means emdebian project is evolving but too many packages are not ready for cross-compilation yet.
May 16 18:26:00 <shaz> mrmoku: I'll try it but it gave me some problems with cheking it out ... some comit issue that I cannot recall correctly
May 16 18:26:39 <shaz> PaulFertser: I remember this embedian issues too ... tried it some two years back
May 16 18:27:01 <PaulFertser> shaz: and max_posedon can comment about Gentoo vs OE i hope ;)
May 16 18:27:30 <max_posedon> Gentoo is better, but OE works
May 16 18:27:39 <max_posedon> (it means Gentoo doesn't :) )
May 16 18:28:03 <shaz> lol
May 16 18:28:09 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i'd be interested in clarifications as well
May 16 18:28:19 <PaulFertser> ;)
May 16 18:28:31 <max_posedon> Gentoo haven't all this nice scripts for rootfs generation
May 16 18:29:11 <max_posedon> chromiumOS (Gentoo based) have them, but all they are hacks
May 16 18:29:43 <shaz> how do you guys manage to learn OE ... I just get lost ... maybe because I have to deal with many other things rather than cross development or development ...
May 16 18:30:27 <max_posedon> shaz, its easy, just try follow tutorial/steps
May 16 18:30:32 <shaz> max_posedon: chromium os has cross development environment or tools like OE
May 16 18:30:54 <max_posedon> shaz, yes and no
May 16 18:31:06 <shaz> oh no it isn't easy bu t doable I guess :)
May 16 18:31:26 <max_posedon> chromium os  has cross dev env from Gentoo
May 16 18:31:34 <shaz> and ...
May 16 18:31:38 <max_posedon> and their tools just workarounds
May 16 18:31:53 <shaz> s why not gentoo?
May 16 18:32:07 <max_posedon> because gentoo haven't such tools at all
May 16 18:32:11 <shaz> k
May 16 18:33:47 <shaz> let me try mrmoku's suggestion and then I'll try chromiumOS because I wanted to try gentoo and never had a chance. This way i get cross environment and tools and also a hands on on gentoo derivative
May 16 18:59:01 * von_fritz enjoys upon his full battery, it was long time ago ... :)
May 16 18:59:18 <mrmoku> von_fritz: does new EFL work? :P
May 16 18:59:55 <von_fritz> for me yes
May 16 19:00:33 <mrmoku> good
May 16 19:05:59 <von_fritz> refresh works when I install new app, background is changeable, focus ok ....  nothing strange for now.
May 16 19:06:29 <mrmoku> time to bump :D
May 16 19:07:45 * vanous123 internet here very bad these days, waiting for a switch
May 16 19:08:04 <vanous123> mrmoku: any reports on dying framework in latest shr-u ?
May 16 19:08:18 <vanous123> just enabling DEBUG to see what is going on...
May 16 19:08:21 <mrmoku> no
May 16 19:08:25 <vanous123> ok
May 16 19:08:33 <vanous123> might be a broken upgrade or something...
May 16 19:08:49 <vanous123> uSD card is OK though
May 16 19:13:29 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: if i bind AUX in Illume, do i still have a chance of sensing this key in my app?
May 16 19:13:55 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: sense via fso api?
May 16 19:14:03 <mrmoku> that should work, yes
May 16 19:14:15 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: no, via receiving a usual keypress through X.
May 16 19:14:21 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i mean i want to bind it in emacs
May 16 19:14:51 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: hmm... dunno if that works
May 16 19:14:51 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i needed to answer a call while driving today and it became apparent TS interface is not quite ok for that.
May 16 19:14:59 <PaulFertser> :)
May 16 19:15:01 <mrmoku> hehe yes :)
May 16 19:15:24 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: so what should i do?
May 16 19:16:07 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: can't you do it via the fso api?
May 16 19:22:47 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: it's not elegant
May 16 19:36:56 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i mean i do not see a reasonable way to bind a key that is not exposed to the app.
May 16 19:37:13 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: whom should i ask about this E-related stuff?
May 16 19:37:23 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: just try in #e
May 16 19:37:32 <PaulFertser> Can at least anybody confirm E doesn't pass the pressed key to the apps?
May 16 19:38:18 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: how do you want to solve it not being doubly handled?
May 16 19:38:57 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: if my virtual keyboard toggles one extra time while i'm driving, i do not care, i just want to answer a call.
May 16 19:39:13 <mrmoku> ahh ok :P
May 16 19:40:23 <PaulFertser> (and yes, i know i should use handsfree while driving)
May 16 19:49:27 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: did you try it?
May 16 19:51:56 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: yes, neither xev nor emacs show anything
May 16 19:52:38 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i can bind a command that'll run a function inside emacs of course
May 16 19:52:45 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: but that's not elegant too
May 16 19:55:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: answering-machine uses EVIOGRAB here to own the AUX button completely for its own purposes
May 16 19:56:01 <PaulFertser> lindi-: solid hack
May 16 19:56:02 <PaulFertser> indeed
May 16 19:56:17 <lindi-> plus X does not open extra event input devices
May 16 19:56:22 <lindi-> since I disabled udev interaction
May 16 20:10:38 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: ok, i made illume call emacsclient, not elegant...
May 16 20:10:41 <PaulFertser> But works
May 16 20:10:43 <PaulFertser> Thnk
May 16 20:13:01 <JaMa|Gone> hi
May 16 20:22:57 <vanous1231> JaMa: hi
May 16 20:24:29 <mrmoku> JaMa: hey
May 16 20:24:36 <mrmoku> JaMa: EFL bumping time :P
May 16 20:24:55 <mrmoku> though... first bedtime
May 16 20:25:03 <mrmoku> gnight all
May 16 20:28:37 <kahless> anyone know how to fix pisi's: "unsupported hash version: 9" error? 
May 16 20:38:03 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: :) looking forward for new&shiny :)
May 16 20:55:57 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: building localy 48992 :)
May 16 20:57:18 <[Rui]> JaMa: is it the latest? there are a few important fixes (one of them from today)
May 16 20:57:38 <[Rui]> oh yeah it is! :)
May 16 21:01:19 <gena2x> Can anyone help with bluetooth? I know many people research this issue. I am on plain debian. I am trying to play sound to headphones throught wolfson, mb someone knows which alsamixer controls responsible for voice codec out in wolfson and how to setup bluez to route sound throught PCM interface. thanks.
May 16 21:03:20 <gena2x> by headphones is mean bluetooth headset
May 16 21:05:41 <gena2x> Nobody using bluetooth headset?
May 16 21:06:18 <JaMa> [Rui]: sure.. :) I always test the latest from test image build time :)
May 16 21:07:30 <[Rui]> gena2x: I wished I could do so easily
May 16 21:07:32 <JaMa> time to gnight.. bye all
May 16 21:08:21 <[Rui]> gnight!
May 16 21:08:47 <gena2x> [Rui]: it should work imo...
May 16 21:09:10 <[Rui]> gena2x: sure, it just needs to be reliably automatized :)
May 16 21:09:32 <gena2x> [Rui]: i want to do that manually first
May 16 21:19:58 <vanous1231> JaMa: hmm, cannot compile here... linux-openmoko-shr-devel_git.bb' failed with scripts/unifdef.c:209: error: conflicting types for 'getline'
May 16 21:20:14 <vanous1231> + more errors around...
May 16 21:20:41 <vanous1231> any idea?
May 16 21:20:59 <JaMa> vanous1231: I'm already a bit sleeping here.. but are you sure gcc compiled fine after last PR change?
May 16 21:21:20 <JaMa> vanous1231: here even eglibc failed.. so I cleaned all gcc+eglibc and restarted image
May 16 21:21:58 <JaMa> vanous1231: but 3 days ago I upgraded SRCREV in linux-openmoko-shr-devel_git.bb and it built fine on buildhost
May 16 21:22:01 <vanous1231> JaMa: seleepy here too... will retry eglibc now but i think it went ok
May 16 21:22:08 <JaMa> I'm not building 2.6.29 anymore locally...
May 16 21:22:15 <vanous1231> i see
May 16 21:22:55 <JaMa> vanous1231: for i in ../dev/recipes/gcc/*4.4.4*.bb ../dev/recipes/eglibc/*2.11*; do echo $i; bitbake -c clean -b $i; done
May 16 21:23:14 <JaMa> vanous1231: replace ../dev/ with openembedded and run in shr-unstable dir
May 16 21:23:19 <JaMa> then start shr-image
May 16 21:23:29 <JaMa> I guess you've already make updated
May 16 21:24:00 <JaMa> and I'm really off.. bye
May 16 21:24:22 <vanous1231> JaMa|Zzz: ok, thank you
May 16 21:40:40 <McKael> mickey|bbq: I think there's a small typo in the specs, org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS, IncomingTextMessage
May 16 21:40:56 <McKael> mickey|bbq: the timestamp description is "The contents of the message"
May 16 21:45:08 <playya> McKael, copy + paste error :P
May 16 21:45:51 <McKael> playya: looks like it :)
May 16 21:50:52 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03heiko 07cornucopia * r5522cc6928c5 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/gcc_libinitexit.c: libfsobasics: forward-declare vala_library methods
May 16 21:57:17 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: hi
May 16 21:57:46 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: I got pointed to your mail to the smartphones-userland mailinglist.
May 16 21:58:04 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: You are working on running FSO/SHR on the Nexus One?
May 16 21:59:55 <CIA-36> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * r5e5c9b52e752 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): GSM.SMS: fix typo in timestamp description
May 16 22:00:04 <playya> McKael, fixed. thx
May 16 22:00:32 <McKael> playya: yw
May 16 22:19:29 <Deubeuliou> Kensan: hi
May 16 22:20:02 <Deubeuliou> rather hackable:1 and fso
May 16 22:21:36 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: I see
May 16 22:21:52 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: I just got my Nexus a couple of days ago.
May 16 22:22:26 <Deubeuliou> how do you find it ?
May 16 22:22:35 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: My plans are to make it work with with FSO but my interests are more on the kernel side of things.
May 16 22:23:00 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: The hardware is really nice and what I've seen from Android so far is not bad either.
May 16 22:23:14 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: it's very snappy and fast.
May 16 22:23:16 <Deubeuliou> I built several kernels but some of them don't allow me to connect with adb ...
May 16 22:23:28 <Deubeuliou> I didn't figure out why yet
May 16 22:23:33 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: what tree are you using?
May 16 22:24:03 <Deubeuliou> android.kernel.org/msm.git ; branch 2.6.29-nexusone or 2.6.32
May 16 22:24:27 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: by the way, would you happen to know who runs the blog at irregular-expression.com ?
May 16 22:24:43 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: ah ok.
May 16 22:25:00 <Deubeuliou> a guy who's nickname is "jairuncaloth", or sth. like that on xda-developers.com
May 16 22:25:12 <Deubeuliou> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631389
May 16 22:25:26 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: I want to see how far we can go with mainline kernel plus some patches on the nexus one.
May 16 22:26:46 <Deubeuliou> I'm not a git poweruser but I guess a git expert could manage to get the relevant patches out of the android tree
May 16 22:27:29 <misc> ( git format-patch is what I would use )
May 16 22:27:43 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: I want to cut down on the android dependencies so it's now as simple as that...
May 16 22:28:25 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: for example wakelocks are not in mainline so any driver using wakelocks can not be used with mainline without rewriting parts of the driver...
May 16 22:28:48 <Deubeuliou> you can remove by hand the android dependencies from your config
May 16 22:30:21 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: yes sure, but then the driver will not build.
May 16 22:30:53 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: there are drivers in mainline e.g. for the wireless chip bcm4329.
May 16 22:31:11 <Deubeuliou> mh ok
May 16 22:31:51 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: so some hardware is already supported.
May 16 22:32:17 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: but it's a lot of work for sure... using android kernels is easier if you simply want a running system :)
May 16 22:32:33 <Deubeuliou> I don't know the availability of all the drivers for the nexus one
May 16 22:32:43 <Deubeuliou> s/all/each/
May 16 22:32:44 <apt> Deubeuliou meant: I don't know the availability of each the drivers for the nexus one
May 16 22:32:56 <misc> best way to know, just test and look, as Kensan try
May 16 22:33:48 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: well, basically the code for them is all there in the android kernel repos ;)
May 16 22:34:44 <Deubeuliou> ok, great :)
May 16 22:35:46 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: porting the missing ones to the mainline kernel is a whole other story though so don't expect too much...
May 16 22:36:06 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: but having a working FSO on nexus with either kernel would be great!
May 16 22:36:27 <Deubeuliou> of course.
May 16 22:36:42 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: we just need to feed mickeyl with enough info *hehe*
May 16 22:36:58 <Deubeuliou> fsogsmd already runs ; the qualcomm_msm plugin seems to be alright for the nexus
May 16 22:37:30 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: good stuff.
May 16 22:37:55 <Deubeuliou> I didn't try hard yet to get the sound from the calls but I have no clue yet on how to get it working
May 16 22:41:27 <Kensan> Deubeuliou: you could test if you get sound at all with alsa
May 16 22:41:52 <Deubeuliou> yep I could ; I did not spend much time on it for now
May 16 22:42:04 <playya> short question: why do you want to remove the orginal kernel?
May 16 22:42:11 <Deubeuliou> I spent too much time on wifi problems
May 16 22:42:24 <playya> are there any strange android kernel interfaces?
May 16 22:42:27 <Deubeuliou> in the first place it didn't work and suddenly came to work
May 16 22:43:18 <Kensan> playya: as I gathered from googling there are some buggy drivers ;)
May 16 22:43:57 <Kensan> playya: plus running on a mainline kernel is always nice. You get the latest and greatest and are not stuck on some older kernel on which the manufacturer decided.
May 16 22:44:16 <playya> yes. but it is time consuming
May 16 22:44:26 <playya> are there any none free drivers?
May 16 22:45:54 <Kensan> playya: don't know yet
May 16 22:46:20 <playya> could you check /lib/modules? 
May 16 22:46:34 <Kensan> playya: but e.g. wlan is basically there to load a firmware blob which contains the whole wireless stack
May 16 22:46:39 <Kensan> etc
May 16 22:46:44 <playya> :/
May 16 22:46:57 <Kensan> playya: it's broadcom so no surprises there...
May 16 22:47:00 <playya> we have a firmware loader plugin ;)
May 16 22:47:12 <Kensan> playya: well there's a mainline driver for that.
May 16 22:47:19 <Kensan> bcm43
May 16 22:47:24 <playya> cool
May 16 22:47:31 <Kensan> but
May 16 22:47:54 <Kensan> the chip in the nexus supports FM rx and tx (!)
May 16 22:48:03 <Kensan> I don't think the mainline driver supports these features.
May 16 22:48:41 <Kensan> which would be awesome, e.g. playing music in your car etc.
May 16 22:49:09 <playya> yes. that's a really nice feature
May 16 22:49:43 <playya> scaring grandmas with death metal on a traffic light :P
May 16 22:49:57 <Kensan> playya: hehe
May 16 22:50:30 <Kensan> playya: we need a hardware guy to construct an antenna which amplifies the signal ;)
May 16 22:50:57 <Kensan> pirate radio station in your pocket
May 16 22:51:36 <playya> i have one of these old FM transievers
May 16 22:51:51 <playya> funny thing to confuse people
May 16 22:52:07 <playya> but noone uses a FM radio these days
May 16 22:52:41 <Kensan> playya: well there's also RDS transmitted on that frequency I believe
May 16 22:53:11 <Kensan> playya: which is completely unauthenticated.
May 16 22:53:18 <playya> hmm. traffic hacking :D
May 16 22:53:23 <Kensan> playya: yup
May 16 22:53:44 <Kensan> playya: big traffic jam ahead, everybody get off this road! 
May 16 22:54:20 <Kensan> don't know if it's actually possible though.
May 16 22:54:27 <Kensan> anyway, let's not get carried away *hehe*
May 16 22:54:42 <playya> there're plan to give the police/ambulance some traficc lights remotes.
May 16 22:54:49 <playya> might be funny, too
May 17 00:23:36 <tmzt> gena2x: is there a pcm link to the bt?
May 17 00:26:45 <tmzt> lindi-: are you using the latest Xorg? what input devices are missing
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