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May 29 07:03:03 <PaulFertser> mickey|zzZZzz: hey :) This looks like an mdbus2 regression (comparing to mdbus): http://pastebin.com/jGi2LwQv am i using some unfixed version or is it a new bug?
May 29 07:10:07 <PaulFertser> Ok, created http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/563
May 29 07:20:25 <JaMa|Wrk> moin
May 29 07:46:01 <[Rui]> moin
May 29 07:46:26 <[Rui]> JaMa: I noticed oe2 2632 went into the experimental dir so I downgraded to oe1
May 29 07:46:41 <[Rui]> JaMa: I still get some freezes
May 29 07:47:22 <JaMa> [Rui]: yes weiss said that gdrm-for-merging (oe2 is built from it) has known bug
May 29 07:47:55 <[Rui]> JaMa: I still get some freezes with oe1
May 29 07:48:05 <JaMa> [Rui]: that's why I said (twice :)) that you should test oe1 instead
May 29 07:48:19 <[Rui]> and then most likely I can't boot before fscking
May 29 07:48:32 <JaMa> and later moved to experimental for all
May 29 07:49:06 <[Rui]> JaMa: everything is so much faster...
May 29 07:49:12 <[Rui]> even network latency
May 29 07:51:25 <JaMa> yup :)
May 29 07:52:00 <JaMa> larsc Weiss  and orherkernel hackers did great job
May 29 07:54:10 <[Rui]> indeed!
May 29 07:54:47 <[Rui]> now if only these freezes and WSs were gone...
May 29 08:06:25 * JaMa moving to computer
May 29 08:14:30 <[Rui]> hms.... backlight paths changed again in 2.6.32? /sys/class/backlight/pcf50633-backlight/
May 29 08:21:20 <[Rui]> oooo xrandr kills the display
May 29 08:24:36 <[Rui]> and restarting X doesn't solve it... oh well. reboot (again) and disabling omnewrotate :)
May 29 08:27:09 <[Rui]> WTF? controlled shutdown -h now, then press on power to boot, and the phone doesn't boot into X?
May 29 08:27:48 <JaMa> any error shown?
May 29 08:28:07 <[Rui]> JaMa: no, it's just a black screen that blanks as if FSO is running
May 29 08:28:28 <JaMa> ssh works?
May 29 08:28:33 <[Rui]> JaMa: I'm going to put networking restart in rc.local or something, I'm guessing if it worked as designed I would be able to ssh into it
May 29 08:29:36 * JaMa using 2.6.34 with lot of debugging enabled since yesterday, that lost touchscreen happened twice but no usable debug shown :/
May 29 08:30:09 <[Rui]> what's the normal runlevel? 5?
May 29 08:30:47 <[Rui]> if so, I don't see networking there (which could explain how the hell it isn't starting up)
May 29 08:30:50 <JaMa> y
May 29 08:31:03 <[Rui]> inittab confirms so
May 29 08:31:29 <JaMa> maybe g_ether is not loaded in time?
May 29 08:31:31 <[Rui]> JaMa: can you tell me the link in rc5.d for networking?
May 29 08:31:51 <[Rui]> JaMa: the startup link isn't there
May 29 08:32:56 <JaMa> mmt found only K40networking in rc1.d
May 29 08:33:38 <JaMa> and leaving for a while.. cya
May 29 08:33:41 <[Rui]> cya
May 29 08:33:52 <leviathan> the day before yesterday I got logged in into my workstation  over ssh and umts for the first time
May 29 08:33:58 <leviathan> on SHR on my htcdream
May 29 08:34:03 <leviathan> its soooo cool ^^
May 29 08:34:14 <leviathan> and yesterday I googled a phonenumber in ventura
May 29 09:46:27 <[Rui]> leviathan: glad for you, now I wanna my Freerunner workin' again'a...
May 29 10:32:50 <[Rui]> I'm sick and tired of 2.6.32. it's a very nice job, but I've got my Freerunner in a state of non-boot. :(
May 29 10:56:23 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd402ed02445a 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: allow _ in object paths; fixes FSO #563
May 29 10:57:29 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: done
May 29 11:01:05 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc76b1175d683 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: add TODO
May 29 11:05:25 <leviathan> [Rui]: oh
May 29 11:05:33 <leviathan> freerunner in non-boot state??
May 29 11:05:35 <leviathan> how that?
May 29 11:05:39 <leviathan> broken bootloader?
May 29 11:08:19 <mickeyl> hi leviathan 
May 29 11:08:41 <Weiss> [Rui]: switch back to 2.6.29 for now... you've done more than your quota of bug reporting and debugging and deserve a rest!
May 29 11:09:03 <[Rui]> Weiss: it got to a point where not even 2.6.29 booted
May 29 11:09:19 <Weiss> ugh
May 29 11:09:22 <Weiss> NOR u-boot boots?
May 29 11:09:23 <[Rui]> I've just formated the sd card and reinstalled all
May 29 11:09:58 <[Rui]> I should be more clear with my words... :) it boots, but then the splash disappears and I got a black screen, with backlight on
May 29 11:10:01 <leviathan> mickeyl: hi
May 29 11:10:10 <[Rui]> I'm now restoring my files
May 29 11:10:14 <[Rui]> Weiss: was the dmesg useful?
May 29 11:10:43 <Weiss> as helpful as it could be, given that the problem seems to be a tricky Glamo timing thing
May 29 11:11:02 <Weiss> clearly I'm not following DocScrutinizer's recommendations quite 100%, so I need to go back and check carefully
May 29 11:11:30 <[Rui]> Weiss: hms. ok. I suspected so because I remembered the old WSoD had to do with hard to finetune timings.
May 29 11:11:43 <Weiss> yeah
May 29 11:11:56 <Weiss> it's interesting that it only seems to happen after a certain period of time idle
May 29 11:12:00 <[Rui]> fortunately now it's not an oD WS :)
May 29 11:12:24 <Weiss> indeed
May 29 11:12:30 <[Rui]> mickeyl: any idea why networking isn't started on boot? (not in rc5.d)
May 29 11:13:17 <Weiss> maybe something switched on somehow after a period of blanking, causing the system not to come back up in a "virgin" state
May 29 11:13:23 <mickeyl> no idea, i'm afraid. i hardly work with anything else than my image on FR
May 29 11:13:30 <[Rui]> mickeyl: because of that neither lo nor usb0 are started, and I've just unpacked /tmp/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100513-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
May 29 11:14:11 <mickeyl> i don't know whether SHR does anything differently, but check whether the network init script is actually executed
May 29 11:14:45 <[Rui]> mickeyl: it's not there!
May 29 11:15:05 <[Rui]> mickeyl: that's just what I said, there's no SXYnetworking in there...
May 29 11:15:12 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r056c312ce06e 10/fsousaged/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
May 29 11:15:12 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: add plugin lowlevel_android that handles the subtle differences
May 29 11:15:12 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: in suspend/resume on Android/Linux-derived kernels
May 29 11:16:15 <[Rui]> mickeyl: I've had to ln -s ../init.d/networking S08networking
May 29 11:16:36 <mickeyl> i see, perhaps a bug in the OE recipe then
May 29 11:16:37 <JaMa> [Rui]: why so old image? (lack of bandwidth?) but it will be the same in rc5.d
May 29 11:17:08 <[Rui]> JaMa: it was the last one that was generated. I haven't checked whether there's a new one :) it's just a couple of weeks old, anyway :)
May 29 11:17:50 <[Rui]> anyone knows if yesterday's is any good?
May 29 11:18:56 <[Rui]> ah what the heck, I'll risk it, weekends are for this hardcore tests :)
May 29 11:19:15 <[Rui]> I just need to get it stabilized by sunday night :)
May 29 11:20:05 <JaMa> [Rui]: as good as old one + opkg upgrade
May 29 11:21:19 <[Rui]> JaMa: but no SNMnetworking in rc5.d either
May 29 11:21:45 <[Rui]> mickeyl: I first suspected because it could be something related to let fso handle the network...
May 29 11:22:17 <mickeyl> no, while that makes much sense to me i would not impose it on others :)
May 29 11:22:51 <[Rui]> mickeyl: what would make the much sense to me, is that it would use the underlying system to set it up :)
May 29 11:23:10 <[Rui]> crossing fingers, hoping it'll boot
May 29 11:23:12 <mickeyl> heh
May 29 11:23:20 <mickeyl> we might have different ideas how an ideal architecture looks like :)
May 29 11:23:55 <[Rui]> mickeyl: there's clearly advantages to both methods :)
May 29 11:23:59 <mickeyl> right
May 29 11:24:08 <JaMa> [Rui]: do you have right xorg.conf?
May 29 11:24:11 <[Rui]> mickeyl: but I'll grant you the "boss" hat :)
May 29 11:24:17 <JaMa> [Rui]: switch-for-kernel is updating it
May 29 11:24:34 <JaMa> [Rui]: but yesterday it was probably upgraded by opkg
May 29 11:24:37 <mickeyl> hehe, oh well. It's just that I personally don't like lots of the desktop-linux-heritage we have
May 29 11:24:50 <mickeyl> udev, sysvinit, a gazillion of initscripts
May 29 11:24:52 <[Rui]> JaMa: yes, and I hadn't opkg upgrade yet
May 29 11:24:52 <mickeyl> that sounds all wrong to me
May 29 11:24:55 <JaMa> [Rui]: which means it was overwritten by opkg (those switch-for-kernel) changes
May 29 11:25:02 <mickeyl> but I know that's quite an extreme viewpoint
May 29 11:25:54 <JaMa> oh yes, [Rui] as long as you're using only 2.6.3x kernels you can remove udev from your system for big boot time speed-up
May 29 11:26:10 <[Rui]> JaMa: really? nice!
May 29 11:26:52 <[Rui]> it booted into X (27's image, with 2.6.29)
May 29 11:27:07 <JaMa> +test -c /dev/ttySAC0 || mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64
May 29 11:27:07 <JaMa> +test -c /dev/ttySAC1 || mknod /dev/ttySAC1 c 204 65
May 29 11:27:29 <JaMa> add those 2 lines to /etc/init.d/mountdevfs* for working telephony and gps without udev
May 29 11:27:40 <[Rui]> ert%"$#&%$"&%#$" shr wizzard is fudged
May 29 11:27:49 <[Rui]> I can't move on from the local numbers setting dialogue
May 29 11:27:50 <mickeyl> or use devtmpfs and not worry about deivce nodes
May 29 11:28:05 <leviathan> mickeyl: as I read, GNUtoo has done some work with try'n fixing the rotation issue on kdrive
May 29 11:28:10 <leviathan> but without success?
May 29 11:28:16 <leviathan> do you know more details?
May 29 11:28:26 <mickeyl> leviathan: no idea, no.
May 29 11:28:44 * mickeyl still rather interested in BT and GPS
May 29 11:28:59 <JaMa> mickeyl: devtmpfs is not creating those 2, that's why I added it to mountdevtmpfs init script..
May 29 11:29:01 <mickeyl> two showstoppers for middleware
May 29 11:29:22 <mickeyl> JaMa: very strange. that'd be a bug in the tty driver then?
May 29 11:29:23 <JaMa> but didn't push it as it should be fixed in kernel
May 29 11:29:42 <[Rui]> how do I manually call the shr wizzard?
May 29 11:30:27 <JaMa> /usr/share/shr-wizard/shr-wizard.py
May 29 11:30:54 <[Rui]> thank you!
May 29 11:32:23 <[Rui]> strange, while when run on first boot it wouldn't move to the next slider in the local numbers setting, now it did
May 29 11:32:41 <JaMa> [Rui]: it waits fro fsogsmd response
May 29 11:33:09 <JaMa> [Rui]: it can take a while, but if you run it later with fsogsmd already initialized it's quick
May 29 11:36:37 <Kensan> I have a oe question
May 29 11:36:53 <Kensan> what's the easies way to use oe while developing stuff?
May 29 11:37:13 <Kensan> meaning if I am mucking around with the kernel, what's the easiest way to make changes and build the image?
May 29 11:37:37 <Kensan> I don't want to make a patch and apply it in the bbfile, that seems too complicated.
May 29 11:41:14 <mickeyl> Kensan: two options
May 29 11:41:35 <mickeyl> 1.) build the kernel externally with the OE tools
May 29 11:41:51 <mickeyl> 2.) read up on bitbake -c devshell
May 29 11:41:59 <mickeyl> (i use option 1)
May 29 11:42:13 <mickeyl> (in the seldom cases when i'm hacking on the kernel)
May 29 11:44:31 <Kensan> mickeyl: I see. So it's no option to make changes in tmp/work/../linux../ ?
May 29 11:44:37 <Kensan> mickeyl: and simply rebuild?
May 29 11:45:53 <JaMa> Kensan: 3rd option read devellocal.conf
May 29 11:45:54 <mickeyl> no
May 29 11:46:29 <Kensan> ok, it seems clear that I should do some reading *hehe*
May 29 11:46:42 <[Rui]> Weiss: anyway, excellent work you & others have had on the kernel and graphics driver
May 29 11:46:46 * Kensan is trying to build an image for htcnexus
May 29 11:47:16 <JaMa> devellocal (as generated by SHR makefile) is easy to understand
May 29 11:47:25 <[Rui]> I'm really craving a little bit more stable 2.6.32 but it's already quite a progress, I now feel like I'm carrying an iron ball tied to my feet :)
May 29 11:47:29 <JaMa> and quickest way
May 29 11:47:41 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r30e39676136b 10/fsousaged/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsousaged: lowlevel_android: first try
May 29 11:47:50 <mickeyl> ~seen gnutoo
May 29 11:47:53 <apt> gnutoo <~GNUtoo@host124-133-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 15h 17m 54s ago, saying: 'I'm back'.
May 29 11:48:16 <Kensan> JaMa: is this SHR-specific?
May 29 11:48:37 <JaMa> Kensan: no, only that example is
May 29 11:50:11 <Kensan> JaMa: ah sorry, didn't read that properly. my apologies
May 29 11:50:41 <Q-Master> mickeyl: somehow gsm seems loosing the connection to network after several suspend/resume cycles.
May 29 11:50:46 <JaMa> Kensan: no problem
May 29 11:51:17 <[Rui]> gotta go, Freerunner is alive again. I am willing to test new kernel images (perhaps not 2.6.34 yet)
May 29 11:51:23 <[Rui]> see ya all!
May 29 11:51:43 <mickeyl> Q-Master: what are the visible artefacts? which sleep mode are you using? do you have the hardware fix for #1024?
May 29 11:51:52 <Q-Master> mrmoku|a`: phoneui tries to add contact to pim even after trying to call that contact. 8(
May 29 11:52:56 <Q-Master> mickeyl: only shows none as a network and while trying to call writes "no carrier" to log file. I have deep sleep and 1024 fix.
May 29 11:54:23 <mickeyl> are you sure the fix works?
May 29 11:54:31 <mickeyl> because this sounds exactly like that
May 29 11:54:34 <Q-Master> mickeyl: definitely.
May 29 11:54:36 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r5ae993ca9d10 10/libmsmcomm/specs/structures/system.xml: libmsmcomm: fix typo in system.xml
May 29 11:54:37 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1a701481736f 10/libmsmcomm/ (8 files in 4 dirs): libmsmcomm: handle phonebook_ready event
May 29 11:54:38 <mickeyl> losing network while sleeping
May 29 11:54:51 <mickeyl> does that ever happen while you're not suspended?
May 29 11:54:56 <mickeyl> ~praise morphis
May 29 11:54:58 <apt> All hail morphis!
May 29 11:55:04 <Q-Master> mickeyl: it was not loosing the net of fsoabyss.
May 29 11:55:10 <Q-Master> -of+on
May 29 11:55:54 <mickeyl> please try disabling deep sleep again and test for a couple of days
May 29 11:56:00 <Q-Master> mickeyl: it was never happened while not suspended. and it happens after some suspend/resume. not after the first one.
May 29 12:00:28 <Kensan> mickeyl: ok doing it your way :)
May 29 12:02:02 <mickeyl> :)
May 29 12:02:35 <Kensan> I hope I'll have kernel console output soon
May 29 12:02:44 <Kensan> then I can start debugging
May 29 12:31:50 <JaMa> heh on monday I downloaded 730Kb over grps and paid about 20e for it, this prepaid card is really great :/
May 29 12:33:35 <JaMa> next time I should buy "grps for a week" it's less then 2e
May 29 12:34:07 <cz_jc> JaMa, try the time trial for O2 internet v mobilu, I had it for free for a month and it was ok, GPRS is basically unlimited
May 29 12:34:32 <Q-Master> 20e for 720k????? -=8(                                  )
May 29 12:35:07 <JaMa> cz_jc: it was my fault expecting that 2hours of screen running over gprs will be less then 2e.. :/
May 29 12:35:41 <cz_jc> JaMa, I lost about 1500 CZK this way, ssh is a network hog
May 29 12:36:13 <cz_jc> JaMa, thats lesson learned :D
May 29 12:36:55 <JaMa> cz_jc: yes, "Twist Surf+" for 39,-/week next time
May 29 12:37:31 <JaMa> FUP after 15MB
May 29 12:37:53 <cz_jc> JaMa, dunno about T-mobile but with O2, you don't notice the FUP because GPRS so slow :D
May 29 12:38:22 <cz_jc> JaMa, I love the fact even after FUP exceeded, I had zero packet loss and the same bandwidth
May 29 12:38:50 <JaMa> cz_jc: and do you pa something for transfers? even with surf+ they say 0,05Kc/Kb for other apps then wap/e-mail traffic
May 29 12:38:55 <JaMa> s/pa/pay/
May 29 12:38:55 <apt> JaMa meant: cz_jc: and do you pay something for transfers? even with surf+ they say 0,05Kc/Kb for other apps then wap/e-mail traffic
May 29 12:39:41 <cz_jc> JaMa, with internet v mobilu, you just 'pay' a monthly fee (first month is free and I canceled it after that XD)
May 29 12:40:13 <JaMa> ok, thanks
May 29 12:40:33 <cz_jc> JaMa, and unlike what the name says, its not limited to WAP or O2 sites, you get a normal TCP/IP access to internet
May 29 12:41:23 <cz_jc> JaMa, np
May 29 12:43:59 <JaMa> cz_jc: are you watching elections results? it looks a bit scary
May 29 12:44:23 <cz_jc> JaMa, I am indeed, I bought a bucket of KFC just for that
May 29 12:44:31 <JaMa> cz_jc: but it's only about 2% counted yet..
May 29 12:44:35 <cz_jc> JaMa, I voted for the pirate party.. and looks like they're not even getting a single chair :/
May 29 12:44:42 <JaMa> last KFC bucket? :)
May 29 12:45:22 <cz_jc> JaMa, I don't think so XD I'm just glad the social democrats are screwed
May 29 12:45:43 <cz_jc> JaMa, the communists could have gotten less though
May 29 12:46:13 <JaMa> http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/profily/snemovna/ doesn't show many screwed social democrats
May 29 12:46:47 <JaMa> heh and counted just droped from 2% to <1%..
May 29 12:46:54 <cz_jc> JaMa, oh switch to CT24 !
May 29 12:47:05 <JaMa> maybe they are counting how many they have to count :)
May 29 12:47:06 <cz_jc> JaMa, theres Marta Issova talking about that ridiculous clip of hers :D
May 29 12:47:21 <cz_jc> JaMa, god I hate that count :D
May 29 12:47:22 * JaMa have to find some TV first :)
May 29 12:47:30 <cz_jc> JaMa, its streamed for free too
May 29 12:47:34 <cz_jc> JaMa, and works in mplayer ;P
May 29 12:47:37 <JaMa> bbl
May 29 12:50:56 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: hey, fixed indeed, big thanks :)
May 29 12:51:15 <mickeyl> np
May 29 12:54:32 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1624bb86842c 10/ (10 files in 5 dirs): libmsmcomm: implement get_phonebook_properties command/response
May 29 12:58:31 <cz_jc> JaMa, btw I saw the funniest thing ever today
May 29 12:59:48 <cz_jc> JaMa, as I was driving to KFC, at entry into a turnabout, there were two signs: 'voters of CSSD: left' and 'voters of ODS: right' :D
May 29 13:00:07 <cz_jc> god I'm so sad FR doesn't have a camera :D
May 29 13:37:10 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r56bfc567ab25 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): libmsmcomm: rework the read_simbook command so we can read entries of the different phonebooks from the SIM card
May 29 14:00:33 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * re55973b7c4a6 10/libmsmcomm/ (5 files in 4 dirs): libmsmcomm: fix call_status event to display the caller id right
May 29 14:11:57 <JaMa> cz_jc: hehe
May 29 14:39:08 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r752139936e23 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: fix tab completion against bogus spaces at the start of the command
May 29 15:15:27 <GNUtoo> hi leviathan 
May 29 15:47:55 <GNUtoo> ping leviathan 
May 29 15:47:59 <GNUtoo> sigh
May 29 15:51:04 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: if you have time, try the latest fsodeviced
May 29 15:51:10 <mickeyl> err, no
May 29 15:51:11 <mickeyl> fsousaged
May 29 15:51:17 <mickeyl> contains a new lowlevel plugin
May 29 15:51:25 <GNUtoo> wow nice
May 29 15:51:36 <GNUtoo> I bitbake it now
May 29 15:51:50 <mickeyl> an attempt to handle the "intermediate" suspend for the dream
May 29 15:52:05 <GNUtoo> I really need leviathan for kdrive rotation
May 29 15:54:29 <GNUtoo> leviathan, said he got kdrive rotation with also input rotating
May 29 15:55:04 <mickeyl> nice
May 29 16:04:20 <GNUtoo> the only problem is that I don't know how he got that and if he really got that
May 29 16:16:31 <mickeyl> did applying http://readlist.com/lists/lists.freedesktop.org/xorg/1/8458.html not fix it?
May 29 16:26:54 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0e523a9b7c8d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Notification: define alarm method as noreply
May 29 16:27:28 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r6613f2cc72a9 10/ (configure.ac src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala): provide support for specifying methods as no-reply
May 29 16:27:44 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r6e6f1a6efc57 10/configure.ac: bump rev
May 29 16:27:53 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r52d81d44133b 10/configure.ac: bump rev
May 29 16:35:23 <[Rui]> hiya
May 29 16:36:25 <Kensan> GNUtoo: is fbconsole on dream working?
May 29 16:40:21 <[Rui]> JaMa: besides having to re-calibrate (which is not that hard) the touchscreen, what are, right now, the major drawbacks of 2.6.34?
May 29 16:41:00 <cz_jc> [Rui], hi, he's probably out watching our elections
May 29 16:43:40 <[Rui]> cz_jc: oh...
May 29 16:44:02 <larsc> [Rui]: it's basically .32 with a different ts driver
May 29 16:44:37 <[Rui]> larsc: great job on 2.6.32, too bad it's still a bit too unstable for me :( I crave it! :)
May 29 16:45:28 <[Rui]> larsc: I though my GPRS provider sucked big time, but 2.6.32 proved it was mostly a kernel thing :)
May 29 16:47:13 <GNUtoo> Kensan, yes but we disabled it because of xorg issues
May 29 16:47:52 <[Rui]> larsc: would you consider 34 more stable, less or just about as much as 32?
May 29 16:48:27 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec15379db4ff 10/fsotdld/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsotdld: alarm: use the new no_reply feature of vala 0.8.1.2
May 29 16:48:39 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, it compiled,I'll opkg upgrade
May 29 16:48:57 <mickeyl> Kensan: yes, but we no longer need it
May 29 16:51:42 <Kensan> mickeyl: hm ok.
May 29 16:51:57 <Kensan> mickeyl: fbconsole with msm_fb does not work on nexus
May 29 16:52:03 <Kensan> mickeyl: only HTC_FB_CONSOLE
May 29 16:52:15 <mickeyl> what kind of special console is that?
May 29 16:52:24 <Kensan> the screen gets all f'up when the switch occurs
May 29 16:52:54 <Kensan> it's a fb console for htc devices. leviathan has probably put it in the gnuconform tree too
May 29 16:53:14 <larsc> [Rui]: shouldn't be much of difference
May 29 16:53:45 <Kensan> mickeyl: arch/arm/mach-msm/htc_fb_console.c
May 29 16:55:00 <[Rui]> larsc: still unsure on whether to try it out or not, after my experience with 2.6.32... :)
May 29 16:57:48 <Kensan> it's definitely the handover. msm_fb does not work as fbconsole on nexus
May 29 16:57:48 <larsc> [Rui]: if nobody tests it, there won't be any bug fixes ;)
May 29 16:58:00 <[Rui]> larsc: yeah, chicken and egg problem
May 29 17:00:48 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, how's the plugin called?
May 29 17:06:20 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I don't see the new plugin
May 29 17:06:49 <GNUtoo> I'll look at the commits
May 29 17:07:27 <GNUtoo> ah ok
May 29 17:07:27 <GNUtoo> lowlevel_android
May 29 17:07:33 <GNUtoo> I may have to rebuild again
May 29 17:09:08 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ah fouind it in /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsousage/lowlevel_android
May 29 17:11:10 <GNUtoo> ok I'll try
May 29 17:11:37 * [Rui] , crossing fingers, is going to try to boot into 2.6.34
May 29 17:13:12 <[Rui]> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (and yes, I have rootwait=7)
May 29 17:14:11 <[Rui]> forget 2.6.34, it seems...
May 29 17:14:42 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, should I try removing the killing of the refresh thread because it doesn't work
May 29 17:14:48 <GNUtoo> basically it does like this:
May 29 17:14:52 <GNUtoo> you suspend
May 29 17:15:00 <GNUtoo> the screen goes black
May 29 17:15:42 <GNUtoo> for a while the screen keeps itself black
May 29 17:15:45 <GNUtoo> then boom
May 29 17:15:49 <GNUtoo> garbage on the screen
May 29 17:15:57 <GNUtoo> a while is less than 1 min
May 29 17:16:00 <GNUtoo> but more than 30 sec
May 29 17:18:21 <[Rui]> larsc: took a picture of both panics I got (two straight on boot), want to check it?
May 29 17:21:17 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, same with no garbage
May 29 17:21:23 <GNUtoo> I'll try something
May 29 17:24:22 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, it seem worse than before
May 29 17:25:01 <GNUtoo> because at least disabling [fsodevice.kernel_idle]  fixed it
May 29 17:28:58 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, do you need me to bitbake you a shr-image?
May 29 17:28:59 <larsc> [Rui]: yes
May 29 17:29:06 <GNUtoo> with xorg and all?
May 29 17:29:57 <[Rui]> larsc: even though I used a close-up focus mode, it isn't 100% readable, but I think it's possible to understand the main contents
May 29 17:32:48 <[Rui]> larsc: http://files.1407.org/openmoko/100_4584.JPG
May 29 17:34:25 <larsc> hm. if you have rootwait set to 7 it shouldn't try to mount the rootfs after 3 seconds
May 29 17:34:49 <[Rui]> larsc: I don't know what to tell you, but yes, it has :(
May 29 17:35:19 <larsc> uhm. wait. there is rootdelay and there is rootwait
May 29 17:35:28 <larsc> rootdealy takes a parameter rootwait does not
May 29 17:36:13 <larsc> so either rootdelay=7 or rootwait
May 29 17:36:17 <larsc> but not rootwait=7
May 29 17:36:18 <[Rui]> larsc: the README.html http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ needs that fix, then...
May 29 17:37:54 <larsc> [Rui]: could you try with just rootwait?
May 29 17:38:37 <[Rui]> larsc: sure
May 29 17:39:29 <[Rui]> larsc: but wouldn't it be better to put rootdelay=7 instead? I'd hazzard rootwait is used as a C true/false value (!0 or 0)...
May 29 17:40:12 <larsc> rootwait waits until the root device shows up
May 29 17:40:24 <larsc> so its far better then rootdelay
May 29 17:52:37 <GNUtoo|oeee> mickeyl, I'll eat
May 29 17:54:06 <[Rui]> ok, booting with 2.6.34. took a bit longer as 2.6.32 had a lock-up so I needed to cleanup after it (fsck, etc...)
May 29 17:54:25 <[Rui]> it seems to be booting now, at least the shr logo came up!
May 29 17:55:25 <[Rui]> weird, would never guess giving a positive value to rootwait would cause rootwait to not work as expected.
May 29 17:55:51 <JaMa> [Rui]: I don't remember seeing #2328 with 2.6.32 but with 2.6.34 I got it pretty often
May 29 17:56:11 <JaMa> [Rui]: and you don't need recalibration anymore with current image or after opkg upgrade
May 29 17:56:27 <[Rui]> JaMa: current as in from may 27?
May 29 17:56:57 <[Rui]> doesn't seem like it, as the idle screen activated and I can't unlock :)
May 29 17:57:16 <[Rui]> I'm in through ssh, though, so I can upgrade
May 29 17:57:50 <[Rui]> JaMa: I just tried 2.6.32 oe1 again and it did lock up very quickly :(
May 29 17:59:05 <JaMa> lock up means what? lost touchscreen? or even no ssh connection?
May 29 17:59:20 <JaMa> [Rui]: and current image is from today
May 29 17:59:49 <JaMa> [Rui]: I've pushed updated calibration iirc just after building image
May 29 18:00:58 <JaMa> and I'll update shr-kms page to be more clear about rootwait
May 29 18:02:27 <mrmobil> hey all
May 29 18:02:30 <[Rui]> rebooting...
May 29 18:02:55 <[Rui]> JaMa: while you're about it, you could tell that the script already does steps 2 and 5
May 29 18:03:11 <[Rui]> JaMa: if one edits the script and defines KERNEL_NEW accordingly...
May 29 18:04:49 <[Rui]> so let's see how 2.6.34 works for me.
May 29 18:05:38 <mrmobil> JaMa: resume is fixed with 2.6.34?
May 29 18:06:13 <[Rui]> call worked, but no audio
May 29 18:06:47 <[Rui]> mrmobil: I can assure you it doesn't *sigh*
May 29 18:07:32 <[Rui]> pcf50633 0-0073: Error reading (plus something that appears to change between two values but I can't read it, so fast that they switch...)
May 29 18:07:42 <JaMa> mrmobil: sort of, see #2337
May 29 18:07:49 <[Rui]> oh... but it recovered!
May 29 18:07:51 <mrmobil> [Rui]: hej, would ne quite strange if it eorkrd ;)
May 29 18:08:36 <JaMa> [Rui]: check that bug too, I guess you have the same issue
May 29 18:08:53 <[Rui]> 2337 doesn't exist in shr, where is it?
May 29 18:09:06 <JaMa> openmoko trac
May 29 18:09:20 <[Rui]> what a big confusion :)
May 29 18:09:22 <JaMa> updated README :)
May 29 18:09:44 <JaMa> [Rui]: not that much as kernel issues are usually not distro specific
May 29 18:09:56 <mrmobil> JaMa: i'm still in yhe middle of nowhere and will refrain from www with the littlr gprs i have :/
May 29 18:10:04 <JaMa> [Rui]: and ie larsc lindi is not tracking SHR trac :)
May 29 18:10:25 <[Rui]> but yeah, it's that bug, really.
May 29 18:10:36 <JaMa> mrmobil: yeah.. so it's SLOW, but works for me in the end
May 29 18:10:51 <[Rui]> with 2.6.32 GPRS was very fast, here...
May 29 18:11:04 <[Rui]> latency is the big issue, I guess, caused by all the debug
May 29 18:11:22 <[Rui]> I'll be trying out 2.6.34 today and tomorrow
May 29 18:11:26 <JaMa> mrmobil: and because I was lazy to activate internet package for my tarif I paid 20e for 780kB this Monday.. so i understand you :)
May 29 18:11:26 <[Rui]> see if I find anything else.
May 29 18:12:10 <[Rui]> I can't use it as a phone with OM#2337 for the reason JaMa points out, there, at the end, but at least I can try to report on other issues.
May 29 18:12:21 <[Rui]> for instance, if WS (but not oD) still happens or not.
May 29 18:12:33 <JaMa> mrmobil: when do you plan to return? I miss your cookies :) and I merged&built current shr-u to shr-t (without syncing to feed) to be prepared to switch kernel in shr-u when you return :)
May 29 18:12:40 <mrmobil> JaMa: heh, fortunately i have a flat tarif
May 29 18:13:13 <mrmobil> just reception is bad
May 29 18:13:15 <mrmobil> JaMa: still one week
May 29 18:13:25 <shazkhan> hi everyone
May 29 18:13:49 <mrmobil> will be back on sat
May 29 18:14:09 <shazkhan> Building shr lite for qemuarm and got a stupid error ... not sure what to do
May 29 18:14:12 <shazkhan> fetch http://sources.openembedded.org//MC&DriverOnlyInstallers.zip
May 29 18:15:12 <JaMa> larsc: I've built and booted kernel with debug enabled for everything related to ADC I found in config and still not usable logs for #2337, do you have any hint for me what to try?
May 29 18:18:59 <larsc> nope
May 29 18:20:23 <[Rui]> intersting... 
May 29 18:20:43 <[Rui]> Weiss: no whitescreen recovering from blank with 2.6.34
May 29 18:21:21 <[Rui]> larsc: see, already one spot where it's better than 2.6.32 ;) (although resume is not ok yet) :)
May 29 18:26:58 <Weiss> [Rui]: ever, or just in testing so far?
May 29 18:28:59 <shazkhan> JaMa: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/394984/best-practice-to-run-linux-service-as-a-different-user
May 29 18:29:29 <shazkhan> JaMa: Is there a better way to run some app pr service with a non-root user
May 29 18:32:05 <JaMa> if it was a question then some distributions are using start-stop-daemon which itself can be called with user specified (which is much better way then hardcoded su call in every init.d script
May 29 18:33:16 <shazkhan> JaMa: k ... so shr can easily do this?
May 29 18:34:10 <shazkhan> SHR uses tinylogin ... right? What about PAM integration because libpam is being installed as well?
May 29 18:34:45 <JaMa> pam can be added as DISTRO_FEATURE, but libpam is clearly not enough for proper integration..
May 29 18:35:11 <JaMa> shazkhan: and imho first step should be to use shadow (as angstrom now does)
May 29 18:35:43 <JaMa> shazkhan: it will be much easier step then SElinux integration and for start more significant one
May 29 18:36:33 <shazkhan> Is'nt shadow on SHR?
May 29 18:36:46 <JaMa> no
May 29 18:36:47 <[Rui]> Weiss: in testing so far
May 29 18:37:33 <[Rui]> Weiss: no I let it stay a few minutes more and still no WS
May 29 18:37:47 <JaMa> shazkhan: you didn't notice during analyzing security features? interesting ;)
May 29 18:38:01 <shazkhan> JaMa: What will be more significant to have shr all these features or use angstrom instead of shr?
May 29 18:39:04 <shazkhan> JaMa: I saw an "x" in the /etc/passwd where in the filed of password
May 29 18:39:07 <[Rui]> shazkhan: if you add it to angstrom, won't all angstrom based distributions benefit?
May 29 18:39:11 <JaMa> shr is very close to angstrom, sometimes more optimized for openmoko phones (because we don't aim to be as univerzal embedded distro as angstrom does)
May 29 18:39:54 <JaMa> shazkhan: so if you add SElinux support to OE, all distributions based on OE should be able to support it too if they decide so
May 29 18:40:22 <[Rui]> shazkhan: a more reliable (although in itself not 100% safe) would be to check for /etc/shadow
May 29 18:40:26 <[Rui]> btw, no audio in calls
May 29 18:40:35 <shazkhan> [Rui]: Yes thats what I mean .... I used shr as a start on FR but any free and opensource sw stack interests me and then it can be used to benefit others
May 29 18:40:53 <JaMa> and you should add it in configrable manner, because there will be few distributions not wanting it (I guess ie slugOS, because they need very small rootfs instead of features)
May 29 18:41:29 <JaMa> [Rui]: openmoko_gta/alsa-default link is right?
May 29 18:41:34 <[Rui]> JaMa: alsa-default points to 2.6.31 but I have 2.6.34, is that correct?
May 29 18:41:41 <JaMa> [Rui]: yes
May 29 18:41:42 <shazkhan> JaMa: So which distro will be the one that can be the best fit?
May 29 18:41:48 <JaMa> it's 2.6.31+
May 29 18:42:02 <[Rui]> JaMa: no sound is bad :(
May 29 18:42:24 <JaMa> shazkhan: for openmoko?
May 29 18:43:40 <shazkhan> JaMa: More interested in FSO
May 29 18:43:44 <JaMa> shazkhan: if you're interested only in qemu images then you can use Angstrom instead of SHR
May 29 18:44:06 <JaMa> shazkhan: but FSO is better integrated to SHR
May 29 18:44:46 <shazkhan> JaMa: More dbus-ish based software stack
May 29 18:45:10 <JaMa> and as I said before.. SHR is _very_ close to Angstrom, so whatever you improve in SHR, Angstrom can use too (probably without any change) and vice-versa
May 29 18:46:09 <shazkhan> confused ....
May 29 18:46:50 <shazkhan> So we bring shadow from Angstrom to SHR as a start?
May 29 18:47:00 <JaMa> yes
May 29 18:47:07 <shazkhan> k
May 29 18:47:48 <JaMa> check how they did it (what needs to be added to DISTRO_FEATURES, task recipes (to be pulled to images) etc, test it and send it as patch for SHR
May 29 18:47:49 <[Rui]> JaMa: do you have sound in voice calls? can you send me your gsmhandset?
May 29 18:48:35 <JaMa> [Rui]: gsmhandset will be the same (if you have normal image), rebooting atm, to check if I have sound, because I didn't have time to try voice call with .34 yet
May 29 18:49:02 <[Rui]> JaMa: I have the image from may 27 available at shr-project site
May 29 18:49:05 <shazkhan> JaMa: Hows Debian?
May 29 18:49:07 <[Rui]> installed today
May 29 18:49:47 <JaMa> I have own custom image, but alsa scenarios will be the same
May 29 18:50:58 <[Rui]> shit I gotta go :(
May 29 18:51:05 <[Rui]> dinner with friends.
May 29 18:51:11 <Kensan> GNUtoo: ping
May 29 18:51:43 <[Rui]> will test remaining features (wifi, gprs mostly, as well as general stability).
May 29 18:51:45 <[Rui]> see ya
May 29 18:53:32 <GNUtoo> hi KaZeR 
May 29 18:53:33 <GNUtoo> oops
May 29 18:53:38 <GNUtoo> hi Kensan 
May 29 18:53:41 <GNUtoo> sorry I was eating
May 29 18:53:48 <Kensan> GNUtoo: me too :)
May 29 18:54:37 <Kensan> GNUtoo: Does fbconsole + msm_fb work on dream?
May 29 18:54:51 <Kensan> GNUtoo: I don't mean htc_fb_console...
May 29 18:54:57 <GNUtoo> yes it does
May 29 18:55:01 <GNUtoo> ah I don't know
May 29 18:55:22 <Kensan> GNUtoo: only htc_fb_console works on nexus properly...
May 29 18:55:29 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 18:55:56 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, strange strange
May 29 18:56:09 <JaMa> shazkhan: debian will be better security wise
May 29 18:56:10 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, the key are still bright when suspending-resuming
May 29 18:56:12 <Kensan> so I was wondering if this is an issue for nexus or if it is a general issue with msm_fb
May 29 18:56:20 <GNUtoo> I mean phone,home etc...
May 29 18:56:30 <GNUtoo> Kensan, I think it's a general issue
May 29 18:56:40 <GNUtoo> Kensan, what kind of screen do you have?
May 29 18:56:50 <GNUtoo> Kensan, we need a refresh thread to have Xorg etc...
May 29 18:57:00 <GNUtoo> the console is strange
May 29 18:57:00 <Kensan> GNUtoo: the display has a 480x800 resolution.
May 29 18:57:02 <shazkhan> JaMa: And FSO or FSO2 is properly supported?
May 29 18:57:13 <Kensan> GNUtoo: ok then it's a general issue
May 29 18:57:22 <GNUtoo> Kensan, I meant is it a bit like an e-ink display?
May 29 18:57:29 <JaMa> shazkhan: as it will have all features of clasic desktop/server environments and all OE based distros were targeting more personal devices (so security was not so important and then more slowly integrated)
May 29 18:57:29 <GNUtoo> mine acts a bit like this
May 29 18:57:41 <GNUtoo> no refresh => content stays on it for a while
May 29 18:58:08 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi ping
May 29 18:58:42 <JaMa> shazkhan: don't know current state of FSO1/2 in debian, but I expect older version and you probably have to build newer ones yourself (at least I know some users are building)
May 29 18:58:55 <GNUtoo> btw I've my sim full of SMS
May 29 18:59:15 <shazkhan> JaMa: I'll try debian as well then ... I saw a qt-debian as well ... suppose to be lighter than standard debian ...
May 29 19:00:24 <shazkhan> JaMa: I hope building and integrating newer version is not tough? Are the users you know sharing code somehow?
May 29 19:02:27 <shazkhan> http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/MC&DriverOnlyInstallers.zip
May 29 19:02:39 <shazkhan> sorry :(
May 29 19:05:42 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: yo
May 29 19:06:08 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi
May 29 19:06:18 <GNUtoo> I've bad news unfortunately
May 29 19:06:22 <GNUtoo> maybe I've bad config
May 29 19:07:00 <GNUtoo> but your new android backend doesn't work as expected
May 29 19:07:29 <mickeyl> could be, i did not test it
May 29 19:07:38 <mickeyl> untested new code seldomly works as expected :)
May 29 19:07:44 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 19:07:57 <mickeyl> it's supposed to fix the wakeup on buttons != power problem
May 29 19:08:03 <GNUtoo> ahhh
May 29 19:08:05 <mickeyl> nothing else, btw.
May 29 19:08:12 <GNUtoo> I'll try then
May 29 19:08:15 <GNUtoo> with another config
May 29 19:08:17 <JaMa> shazkhan: ie PaulFertser is using latest fsogsmd, ask him if he is sharing his packages somewhere (maybe not preparing .debs..) also there is pkgfso-* or some group like this maintaining fso packages in debian (but I'm not using debian at all - and don't remember even that group name, so sorry)
May 29 19:09:04 * mickeyl goes watching eurovision contest :D
May 29 19:09:26 <McKael> PaulFertser makes no package, but he sent an email to the list with links to (almost) ready-to-build source code
May 29 19:09:34 <shazkhan> JaMa; Yes this morning I came across pkgfso so I'll check it and also email them.
May 29 19:10:46 <McKael> The biggest issue (on Debian) is probably to build SHR apps as Debian's e17 is old
May 29 19:13:00 <GNUtoo> ping leviathan 
May 29 19:23:31 <GNUtoo> mickey|tv, thanks a lot!!! the android plugin do what it's intended to do
May 29 19:28:31 <Kensan> nice
May 29 19:28:37 <Kensan> msm_fb works on nexus
May 29 19:29:09 <Kensan> BUG's though but who care *hehe*
May 29 19:32:37 <GNUtoo> nice
May 29 19:32:53 <GNUtoo> maybe I should fix the buffer underruns for the videos
May 29 19:32:55 <GNUtoo> on dream
May 29 19:33:29 <GNUtoo> Kensan, what's the audio of nexus one?
May 29 19:33:44 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ping!
May 29 19:42:50 <Kensan> GNUtoo: don't know, I am focusing on fb console
May 29 19:43:03 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 19:43:27 <GNUtoo> maybe dcordes knows
May 29 19:56:25 <leviathan> GNUtoo: pong
May 29 19:56:33 <leviathan> sry, was away
May 29 19:56:41 <leviathan> how is you progress going?
May 29 19:57:18 <Kensan> eh wtf?
May 29 19:57:26 <leviathan> Kensan: what?
May 29 19:57:33 <Kensan> Nexus just booted into Android with my kernel.
May 29 19:57:36 <Kensan> yay
May 29 19:57:40 <Kensan> \o/
May 29 19:57:41 <leviathan> okee?
May 29 19:57:52 <leviathan> correct commandline options?
May 29 19:57:58 <leviathan> did you use mkbootimage
May 29 19:58:16 <Kensan> fastboot -c "console=tty0 no_console_suspend=1 rootdelay=5" boot zImage
May 29 19:58:19 <Kensan> is all I did
May 29 19:58:22 <leviathan> uhm
May 29 19:58:30 <leviathan> its possible, that it ignores the -c
May 29 19:58:37 <leviathan> you should use mkbootimage
May 29 19:58:39 <GNUtoo> leviathan, np 
May 29 19:58:53 <Kensan> there's some intermittent screen blanking but it works!
May 29 19:58:54 <leviathan> Kensan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream#For_SD-card_rootfs
May 29 19:59:02 <GNUtoo> Kensan, where's the root=
May 29 19:59:14 <Kensan> GNUtoo: it booted from the nand obviously
May 29 19:59:18 <GNUtoo> leviathan, how can I have rotation
May 29 19:59:19 <Kensan> hm...
May 29 19:59:27 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I tried:
May 29 19:59:29 <leviathan> GNUtoo: with xrandr ;-)
May 29 19:59:30 <GNUtoo> *your patch
May 29 19:59:31 <Kensan> that's rather surprising and quite cool
May 29 19:59:39 <GNUtoo> *your binaries from your repo
May 29 19:59:46 <GNUtoo> none were satisfying
May 29 19:59:46 <leviathan> the question is: will you get touchscreen working?
May 29 19:59:52 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ???
May 29 19:59:57 <leviathan> means:
May 29 20:00:01 <leviathan> if you make rotation
May 29 20:00:02 <GNUtoo> leviathan, it rotates but touchscreen doesn't rotate
May 29 20:00:05 <leviathan> with xrandr
May 29 20:00:09 <leviathan> yes
May 29 20:00:13 <leviathan> GNUtoo: thats my problem
May 29 20:00:20 <GNUtoo> leviathan, the othere day you told me that touch worked fine
May 29 20:00:24 <leviathan> it also did not work for you either the patch?
May 29 20:00:32 <GNUtoo> leviathan, no didn't work with the patch
May 29 20:00:38 <leviathan> ok, then its not my fault... -.-
May 29 20:00:42 <GNUtoo> ???
May 29 20:00:46 <GNUtoo> you told that it worked
May 29 20:00:49 <leviathan> uhm
May 29 20:00:53 * GNUtoo is lost
May 29 20:00:58 <leviathan> no I told that its a known issue
May 29 20:01:02 <GNUtoo> ah 
May 29 20:01:03 <leviathan> and there would be a patch
May 29 20:01:09 * GNUtoo look in his logs
May 29 20:01:20 <leviathan> I never told you, that the patch solves /our/ problem ;-)
May 29 20:01:31 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:01:36 <leviathan> perhaps we can extend the patch
May 29 20:01:44 <leviathan> I can nearly smell the prey
May 29 20:01:48 <leviathan> we are close
May 29 20:03:11 <GNUtoo> leviathan, http://pastebin.com/FszUp9nz
May 29 20:03:26 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 20:03:42 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:03:44 <leviathan> oh
May 29 20:03:46 <leviathan> I see
May 29 20:03:51 <leviathan> its missinterpretable
May 29 20:03:54 <leviathan> ^_^"
May 29 20:03:56 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 20:03:58 <leviathan> sry, my fault
May 29 20:04:01 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 20:04:06 <leviathan> in fact rotation works
May 29 20:04:10 <leviathan> but not the touchscreen
May 29 20:04:18 <leviathan> perhaps its something with libts?
May 29 20:05:37 <GNUtoo> maybe 
May 29 20:05:41 <GNUtoo> did you try raw?
May 29 20:05:45 <GNUtoo> rawinput
May 29 20:05:49 <GNUtoo> it still doesn't work
May 29 20:05:53 <GNUtoo> but behave differently
May 29 20:08:04 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:08:14 <leviathan> in what respect?
May 29 20:11:06 <GNUtoo> let me try
May 29 20:11:26 <GNUtoo> the coordinates are different
May 29 20:11:40 <GNUtoo> when we look at xorg.conf
May 29 20:11:52 <GNUtoo> we need to invert some coordinates while rotating
May 29 20:11:55 <GNUtoo> that is to say:
May 29 20:12:37 <GNUtoo> 	Option 		"Rotate" 		"CW" #
May 29 20:12:43 <GNUtoo> in touchscreen
May 29 20:13:16 <GNUtoo> so maybe we could fix that in kdrive
May 29 20:13:17 <GNUtoo> not shure
May 29 20:17:31 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:17:48 <leviathan> ok, thats very helpfull
May 29 20:17:54 <leviathan> I'll look at this point
May 29 20:17:57 <lindi-> GNUtoo: freerunner?
May 29 20:18:02 <leviathan> lindi-: no
May 29 20:18:04 <leviathan> htc
May 29 20:18:15 <lindi-> ok then my xorg.conf probably won't help
May 29 20:18:28 <leviathan> there I do not need to sold a capacitor for acceptable sound
May 29 20:18:34 <GNUtoo> leviathan, try that: /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 -softCursor  -mouse tslib,1,,device=/dev/input/event1 -rawcoord
May 29 20:18:41 <leviathan> lindi-: plus I have umts+keyboard
May 29 20:18:50 <lindi-> leviathan: ?
May 29 20:18:53 <leviathan> GNUtoo: ok
May 29 20:18:56 <leviathan> lindi-: yes
May 29 20:18:58 <leviathan> htcdream
May 29 20:19:01 <leviathan> very nice
May 29 20:19:12 <leviathan> like n810
May 29 20:19:17 <leviathan> but cheaper
May 29 20:19:22 <lindi-> leviathan: you are trying to sell me non-free stuff? ;)
May 29 20:19:27 <leviathan> no
May 29 20:19:31 <leviathan> I am using SHR on it
May 29 20:19:56 <leviathan> I do not use software, written by humans, whom I can't check the code myself
May 29 20:20:00 <leviathan> ;-)
May 29 20:20:21 <GNUtoo> leviathan, without enlightenment
May 29 20:20:26 <GNUtoo> don't start enlightenment
May 29 20:20:28 <leviathan> ok
May 29 20:20:43 <lindi-> leviathan: i'm not really sure how free that is
May 29 20:20:58 <GNUtoo> lindi-, it has the same issue than freerunner, non-free baseband modem and some firmwares
May 29 20:21:20 <GNUtoo> and baseband has more control over the phone
May 29 20:21:39 <GNUtoo> for instance the audio is not really handled by the application CPU
May 29 20:21:45 <GNUtoo> lots of things are like this
May 29 20:22:01 <leviathan> lindi-: thats the price of this commercial stuff
May 29 20:22:09 <leviathan> that they keep /always/ things back
May 29 20:22:18 <leviathan> that seems to be needed for survival
May 29 20:22:19 <GNUtoo> but in another hand I think that your ssh key is safe
May 29 20:22:39 <leviathan> If I would not be pretty sure
May 29 20:22:48 <lindi-> GNUtoo: does not sound impossible but it'd need to do careful analysis of the facts first
May 29 20:23:00 <leviathan> I would not have done copy'n my gnupg-key on my rootfs to read the IMAP incomings over UMTS ;-)
May 29 20:23:15 <GNUtoo> lindi-, yes you should:
May 29 20:23:18 <leviathan> ok, not the one in the repo :-)
May 29 20:23:28 <leviathan> I ment on my local phone
May 29 20:23:29 <leviathan> over scp
May 29 20:23:30 <leviathan> :)
May 29 20:23:31 <GNUtoo> *#htc-linux has people knowing the architecture better than me
May 29 20:23:45 <GNUtoo> *they may have read the leaked docs
May 29 20:24:09 <GNUtoo> *apart of the leaked docs and source code there are really no docs on how it works
May 29 20:25:38 <GNUtoo> mmm
May 29 20:25:45 <GNUtoo> not shure if it really rotate3
May 29 20:26:49 <leviathan> GNUtoo: it rotates
May 29 20:26:52 <GNUtoo> and it often crashes
May 29 20:26:54 <leviathan> but the cursor doesnt
May 29 20:26:55 <leviathan> :)
May 29 20:27:13 <leviathan> perhaps the patch only supplys for this use case
May 29 20:27:14 <leviathan> ...
May 29 20:27:31 <GNUtoo> leviathan, how's your command line?
May 29 20:27:37 <GNUtoo> how do you launch it/
May 29 20:27:40 <GNUtoo> ?
May 29 20:28:24 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:28:34 <leviathan> I ran enlightenment_start too
May 29 20:28:41 <leviathan> even if you told me to do it not
May 29 20:28:48 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 20:28:51 <leviathan> and now I can use the cursor
May 29 20:28:52 <leviathan> but
May 29 20:28:57 <leviathan> as soon as I rotate
May 29 20:29:09 <GNUtoo> I wondered the commandline of kdrive/Xfbdev
May 29 20:29:12 <leviathan> it seems to break the orientation
May 29 20:29:21 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:29:40 <leviathan> and then it gives a zero position and crashes at some point
May 29 20:29:53 <leviathan> seems to be connected to our patch
May 29 20:29:59 <leviathan> hmm...
May 29 20:31:21 <GNUtoo> how do you launch it?
May 29 20:31:24 <GNUtoo> kdrive
May 29 20:31:41 <GNUtoo> you have the command line stored somewhere
May 29 20:31:53 <GNUtoo> like in /etc/default/xsomething
May 29 20:32:37 <GNUtoo> /etc/X11/xserver-common
May 29 20:32:55 <ThibG> hi, is the NOR u-boot's mtest command reliable?
May 29 20:33:07 <GNUtoo> cat /etc/X11/xserver-common | grep trout => nothing
May 29 20:39:33 <GNUtoo> leviathan, kdrive is included in xorg source right?
May 29 20:39:58 <GNUtoo> leviathan, couldn't we use a more recent kdrive
May 29 20:40:01 <GNUtoo> which is not in oe
May 29 20:42:12 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:42:21 <leviathan> would be a possibility
May 29 20:42:23 <leviathan> but as I know
May 29 20:42:32 <leviathan> kdrive is not maintained anymore?? O-O
May 29 20:43:13 <GNUtoo> indeed
May 29 20:43:18 <GNUtoo> that's why I wanted xorg
May 29 20:43:25 <GNUtoo> also xorg seem very stable
May 29 20:43:30 <GNUtoo> when in portrait mode
May 29 20:45:30 <leviathan> okee
May 29 20:46:14 <leviathan> this issue seems to force us to become xorg hackers >_<
May 29 20:47:13 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 20:47:20 <GNUtoo> that's what I wanted since the beginning
May 29 20:47:22 <GNUtoo> but
May 29 20:47:39 <GNUtoo> performance may not be as good as Xfbdev
May 29 20:49:06 <Kensan> imho moving to xorg seems like a good move in the long run...
May 29 20:50:23 <GNUtoo> there is some small % of difference
May 29 20:50:29 <leviathan> "In the beginning the Universe was created.
May 29 20:50:31 <leviathan> This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
May 29 20:50:34 <GNUtoo> while playing big buck bunny without sound
May 29 20:51:09 <leviathan> Kensan: yes, indeed, xorg would be nice
May 29 20:51:19 <leviathan> but theres always the lack of rotation
May 29 20:51:23 <GNUtoo> ah no there is some huge difference
May 29 20:51:42 <leviathan> theres also xf86-video-msm, but its sooo useless, because its instability and lack of functionality
May 29 20:51:44 <GNUtoo> 7.8% for kdrive (cpu usage near 100%)
May 29 20:52:20 <GNUtoo> vs 25%
May 29 20:52:33 <GNUtoo> fluid vs nearly fluid
May 29 20:52:40 <GNUtoo> anyway -vo fbdev2 beats all
May 29 20:53:17 <GNUtoo> ahh maybe I know why
May 29 20:53:20 <Kensan> well putting more work into kdrive seems like a waste in comparison...
May 29 20:53:23 <GNUtoo> many things running like samba
May 29 20:53:26 <GNUtoo> indeed
May 29 20:53:49 <GNUtoo> because even fbdev2 usage was high
May 29 20:54:00 <Kensan> I guess it's more work to get things on par with kdrive but in the mid to longrun it's a better situation imho.
May 29 20:55:06 <Kensan> leviathan: did you see this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/98809
May 29 20:55:17 <Kensan> leviathan: that got pulled by linus so it's in 2.6.35
May 29 20:58:27 <GNUtoo> leviathan, in xf86-video-fbdev there is already rotation but it's in xorg.conf so for rotating you must restart xorg
May 29 20:58:52 <GNUtoo> also rotating to CW breaks suspend
May 29 20:59:03 <GNUtoo> or rather more precisley xorg dies at suspend
May 29 20:59:20 <GNUtoo> because of a bug in xf86-video-fbdev I think
May 29 20:59:26 <leviathan> hmm
May 29 20:59:34 <GNUtoo> basically it can't enter vt anymore
May 29 20:59:37 <GNUtoo> or something like taht
May 29 20:59:52 <GNUtoo> that's because when it's rotated the coordinates/resolution are changed
May 29 21:00:45 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I know that rotation is implemented
May 29 21:00:58 <leviathan> lets make it more precise
May 29 21:01:16 <leviathan> the randr extension needs to be implemented
May 29 21:05:09 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I guess, I'll look into it tomorrow
May 29 21:05:53 <leviathan> I'm somehow tired
May 29 21:06:13 <leviathan> next weekend I've got holydays
May 29 21:06:22 <leviathan> and so: much time to develop
May 29 21:06:39 <leviathan> but I have also need to learn for the examina of course
May 29 21:06:47 <GNUtoo> back
May 29 21:06:51 <GNUtoo> redding
May 29 21:07:00 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 21:07:57 <leviathan> perhaps we should just try to ask the code aurora people to implement randr extension for ous
May 29 21:08:07 <leviathan> *us
May 29 21:08:19 <leviathan> :-)
May 29 21:08:32 <leviathan> feature request are made for beeing used ;-)
May 29 21:09:56 <leviathan> GNUtoo: so, ill take my rest now
May 29 21:10:02 <leviathan> 'till tomorrow
May 29 21:10:03 <leviathan> cu
May 29 21:14:53 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 21:45:54 <GNUtoo> 2010-05-29T21:44:39.394073Z [ERROR] UsageController <1 R>: DBus Error while talking to IdleNotifier: Method "SetState" with signature "s" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier" doesn't exist
May 29 21:45:58 <GNUtoo> mickey|tv, what does it means?
May 29 21:46:14 <GNUtoo> I don't know what I did but it resume almost imediately now
May 29 21:53:44 <playya> GNUtoo, wrong signature
May 29 21:54:05 <GNUtoo> ah? what should I do?
May 29 21:54:35 <GNUtoo> mdbus -s and report to mickey|tv 
May 29 21:54:36 <GNUtoo> ?
May 29 21:56:29 <playya> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/IdleNotifier iirc
May 29 21:56:43 <playya> could you paste the result?
May 29 22:03:39 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 22:03:47 <GNUtoo> it's on the dream btw
May 29 22:04:12 <GNUtoo> mdbus2  -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/IdleNotifier iirc
May 29 22:04:12 <GNUtoo> [ERR]: No introspection data at object /org/freesmartphone/IdleNotifier
May 29 22:04:43 <GNUtoo> mmm I saw that in the configs?
May 29 22:04:45 <GNUtoo> s/?//
May 29 22:04:45 <apt> GNUtoo meant: mmm I saw that in the configs
May 29 22:05:14 <GNUtoo> [fsousage.dbus_service]
May 29 22:05:14 <GNUtoo> # No settings yet
May 29 22:09:25 <playya> GNUtoo, mdbus2  -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
May 29 22:09:34 <playya> i think a /0 is missing
May 29 22:09:36 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 22:10:02 <GNUtoo> http://pastebin.com/ddnjSX2z
May 29 22:10:17 <GNUtoo> it's missing
May 29 22:10:25 <GNUtoo> I'll recompile
May 29 22:10:29 <GNUtoo> (autorev on)
May 29 22:11:22 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
May 29 22:19:52 <GNUtoo> | Requested 'vala-1.0 >= 0.8.1.2' but version of Vala is 0.8.1.1
May 29 22:20:49 <playya> you have to rebuild vala, too
May 29 22:22:40 <GNUtoo> ok
May 29 22:22:50 <GNUtoo> just rebuild or do I have to import/bump a recipe
May 29 22:23:07 <GNUtoo> I'm not an expert in vala
May 29 22:23:14 <GNUtoo> so I'm afraid of breaking something
May 29 22:25:23 <GNUtoo> I bet I've to import the recipe from SHR no?
May 29 22:25:36 <playya> ah. vala-native. sorry
May 29 22:26:09 <GNUtoo> vala is always native no?
May 29 22:27:34 <GNUtoo> ah dead easy
May 29 22:27:35 <GNUtoo> no patches at all
May 29 22:28:09 <GNUtoo> ouch no
May 29 22:28:22 <GNUtoo> # WARNING: This source release has specifically been built for OpenEmbedded.
May 29 22:28:22 <GNUtoo> # Don't update to any upstream release without consulting the recipe maintainer.
May 29 22:35:26 <GNUtoo> http://git.shr-project.org/git/ seem unacessible
May 29 22:37:08 <GNUtoo> ah now it seem better
May 30 00:27:59 <[Rui]> hi, anyone awake?
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