**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010
Jun 03 04:15:11 <JaMa|Zzzz> [Rui]: with xrandr? no as I said, no time to fix that xrandr patch here (needs me to be near device - so cannot try it remotely and also my images are unstable now, because of gcc-4.5..)
Jun 03 04:27:31 <JaMa|Zzzz> zub: what's wrong with git send-email and alipne?
Jun 03 04:37:05 <JaMa|Zzzz> s/alipne/alpine
Jun 03 05:47:01 <morphis> heyho
Jun 03 06:58:11 <graziano> hi guys, just want to share with you this note, it's important:  http://www.sorbaioli.org/2010/06/03/google-should-add-license-information-to-its-market/
Jun 03 06:58:23 <graziano> if you could share it and vote it would be really helpful
Jun 03 07:32:40 <zub> JaMa: well, I can't use git send-email as I can't sent mail to the world from the box where I do the development.
Jun 03 07:33:42 <zub> so I tried to do: git format-patch, move the file to the box where I do my mails and convince alpine, the mail client I use, to send that file
Jun 03 07:34:05 <zub> at least once I succeeded, but obviously not this time
Jun 03 07:34:11 <zub> whitespace got garbled up somehow
Jun 03 07:34:37 <zub> hm, how should I be sending patches if I can't mail from the box where I have the git tree?
Jun 03 07:35:02 <zub> I read mutt could be used to send the file produced by git format-patch
Jun 03 07:35:17 <zub> but then, having all mail handled by alpine, mutt probably wouldn't be to happy
Jun 03 07:36:00 <zub> I don't care if I don't see it in alpine sent mail, as I get the mail from the ML anyway
Jun 03 07:38:24 <JaMa> zub: there is some sort of guide for this IIRC in kernel tree
Jun 03 07:39:12 <zub> ok, I'll have a look
Jun 03 07:39:32 <zub> alternatively I will set up MTA on that box to connect to some gmail account...
Jun 03 07:39:39 <JaMa> zub: I have to use msmtp in my development chroot to send e-mails, but I know that there can be more restrictive e-mail corporate rules :)
Jun 03 07:39:43 <zub> and use that other mail address for sending patches
Jun 03 07:41:10 <zub> well, I'm only using mail from an account on the box, I have no ies if there's anything like SMTP at all; and if there was, how would it fit with me reading mail by logging in and running a mail client there
Jun 03 07:41:25 <zub> s/ies /idea /
Jun 03 07:41:25 <apt> zub meant: well, I'm only using mail from an account on the box, I have no idea if there's anything like SMTP at all; and if there was, how would it fit with me reading mail by logging in and running a mail client there
Jun 03 07:41:48 <zub> either way... sorry for the broken patch
Jun 03 07:42:03 <zub> the one sent by attachemnt should work ok, though
Jun 03 07:44:04 <JaMa> zub: I need only to send e-mails from that chroot, reading them in mutt on my normal desktop
Jun 03 07:58:41 <zub> found the kernel mail client info
Jun 03 07:59:11 <zub> anyway it seems it would be the best to make mail working on my devel box :)
Jun 03 09:13:34 <[Rui]> JaMa: yeah, WRT pointercal-xinput :) (talk about lag, it's a 5h lag between each message...)
Jun 03 09:16:57 <spaetz> Hi all, back in European time zones...
Jun 03 09:17:16 <spaetz> And even brought a HTC dream with me, so let's put SHR on that :)
Jun 03 09:22:06 <JaMa> [Rui]: :)
Jun 03 09:22:33 <JaMa> spaetz: have you seen my messages about shr-t upgraded to shr-u level (without rsync waiting for you..)
Jun 03 09:22:35 <[Rui]> so, no new kernels yet? :)
Jun 03 09:22:53 <JaMa> [Rui]: no, but my gcc-4.5 image now boots, which is great :)
Jun 03 09:26:02 <[Rui]> \o/
Jun 03 12:08:53 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r36428dda0632 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: qualcomm_palm: only launch/shutdown msmcomm-daemon when config requires it
Jun 03 12:11:34 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: ping
Jun 03 12:11:47 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: pong 
Jun 03 12:11:55 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: salut ca roule?
Jun 03 12:12:37 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: wrong chan ?
Jun 03 12:13:33 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: mais oui, ça roule :) ( c'est juste pas sper poli de parler francais ici )
Jun 03 12:13:40 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: excuse me you are not the french guy on openmok-fr
Jun 03 12:13:41 <GarthPS-onwin> oh
Jun 03 12:13:44 <GarthPS-onwin> lol
Jun 03 12:13:46 <GarthPS-onwin> ok
Jun 03 12:14:02 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: so do you have some time for an sms test?
Jun 03 12:14:20 <GarthPS-onwin> because those days I missed  a lot of them so... :/
Jun 03 12:14:41 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: yup 
Jun 03 12:15:41 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: 06 03 63 04 33 thx!!!!!
Jun 03 12:18:24 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: test sent 
Jun 03 12:18:41 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: received!
Jun 03 12:19:55 <misc> GarthPS-onwin: received the ACK 
Jun 03 12:20:17 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: the what?
Jun 03 12:20:22 <GarthPS-onwin> my pong?
Jun 03 12:21:12 <misc> yes
Jun 03 12:21:21 <misc> SYN, ACK, network enginneer humour 
Jun 03 12:23:37 <GarthPS-onwin> misc: I thought about you received your "message delivered"
Jun 03 13:25:01 <ThibG> hi
Jun 03 13:25:38 <ThibG> I wonder, is the bq27000 driver required for the FR to charge when connected with USB?
Jun 03 14:31:24 <PaulFertser> ThibG: no
Jun 03 14:31:36 <PaulFertser> ThibG: charging is independent
Jun 03 14:31:38 <ThibG> what is required then?
Jun 03 14:31:39 <PaulFertser> Fully
Jun 03 14:31:47 <PaulFertser> ThibG: pcf50633-charger
Jun 03 14:31:59 <ThibG> ok, I'll have alook
Jun 03 14:32:00 <ThibG> thanks
Jun 03 14:32:01 <PaulFertser> ThibG: i do not recommend to remove pcf50633 anything
Jun 03 14:41:57 <ThibG> INPUT_PCF50633_PMU I guess?
Jun 03 16:25:40 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * ra6839f3d2267 10/palmpre/tellbootie/AUTHORS: tellbootie: fix AUTHORS file
Jun 03 16:58:10 <shazkhan> Whats the difference between ophono and FSO?
Jun 03 16:58:21 <shazkhan> Licensing?
Jun 03 17:11:20 <misc> the api too 
Jun 03 17:11:48 <shazkhan> k
Jun 03 17:12:35 <misc> and the hardare supported too 
Jun 03 18:12:38 <shazkhan> misc: You mean the community cannot add more hardware?
Jun 03 18:18:46 <PaulFertser> ThibG: no, INPUT is not really related IIRC
Jun 03 18:18:59 <ThibG> ok
Jun 03 18:19:05 <PaulFertser> ThibG: what 're you after?
Jun 03 18:19:19 <PaulFertser> ThibG: probably i can give some kernel related hint while others are away
Jun 03 18:19:46 <ThibG> well, I've done a kernel + initrd image
Jun 03 18:19:56 <ThibG> the kernel is a Debian kernel with a few patches from OM
Jun 03 18:19:59 <PaulFertser> shazkhan: both projects are open to contributions
Jun 03 18:20:28 <PaulFertser> shazkhan: oFono is only gsm-related part, while FSO is a full-blown smartphone middleware.
Jun 03 18:20:53 <ThibG> it kind of works, but the FR ran out of power during the installation (though it was connected through USB)
Jun 03 18:21:10 <shazkhan> PaulFertser: Why are'nt these big shots companies not using FSO?
Jun 03 18:21:40 <shazkhan> like MeeGo and linaro
Jun 03 18:23:22 <PaulFertser> shazkhan: many different reasons i guess. oFono was created in corporate environment with the aim to have something that works reliably, fast and is controllable. While FSO is being developed by hackers and uses bleeding-edge Vala and has some other problems and is not really controllable by corporations.
Jun 03 18:23:52 <ThibG> PaulFertser, everything PCF50633 except INPUT was built-in
Jun 03 18:23:59 <ThibG> but I've seen http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=470379585be3e2e116e9412e114698debb02eb9e
Jun 03 18:24:01 <ThibG> could be that
Jun 03 18:24:09 <PaulFertser> shazkhan: i'm not sure if it might have happened that Nokia choosed FSO instead of oFono, probably not. Especially given they trust Marcel on his decisions (and he's doing BlueZ, connman etc)
Jun 03 18:24:45 <PaulFertser> ThibG: oh, didn't it get upstream?
Jun 03 18:25:42 <PaulFertser> ThibG: you can check current charging setting by examing sysfs nodes
Jun 03 18:36:24 <shazkhan> Matrix: Can't find recipe for first-run-wizard!
Jun 03 18:36:44 <shazkhan> Even tried the angstrom repos ...
Jun 03 18:37:45 <[Rui]> hi
Jun 03 18:38:04 <shazkhan> Matrix: In an enterprise environment we cannot expect the user to go through first-run-wizard so will still ant to do it by default from OE at build.
Jun 03 18:38:20 <shazkhan> [Rui] hi
Jun 03 18:38:50 <shazkhan> ant is want
Jun 03 18:39:19 <[Rui]> alsa compilation failed to me, due to not finding libtinfo
Jun 03 18:45:27 * TAsn wants to die, or alternatively find more time :P
Jun 03 18:55:18 <ThibG> PaulFertser, /sys/class/power_supply/usb/online ?
Jun 03 18:55:44 <PaulFertser> ThibG: i'd check the files in pcf50633-mbc
Jun 03 18:56:17 <PaulFertser> ThibG: they provide you with current limits (and with 100mA charging is no good of course)
Jun 03 18:57:27 <ThibG> /sys/bus/platform/devices/pcf50633-mbc/chg_curlim: 0
Jun 03 18:59:27 <PaulFertser> ThibG: that's not right apparently
Jun 03 19:00:09 <ThibG> I assume this shouldn't need any userspace utility?
Jun 03 19:00:35 <PaulFertser> ThibG: indeed. Curlim is set automatically whenever usb limit is changed.
Jun 03 19:06:43 <ThibG> usb_curlim is 0
Jun 03 19:07:48 <PaulFertser> ThibG: with usb plugged in?
Jun 03 19:07:52 <PaulFertser> ThibG: try replugging
Jun 03 19:07:55 <ThibG> hm, I have messages in dmesg, when plugging/unplugging usb:  pcf50633 0-0073: usb curlim to 0 mA
Jun 03 19:08:54 <valos> morphis: ping
Jun 03 19:08:56 <valos> morphis: I have a bitbake error with package msmcomd
Jun 03 19:09:02 <valos> morphis: http://pastebin.com/ggCFg6yx
Jun 03 19:11:44 <PaulFertser> ThibG: weird. Something's wrong with the driver most probably
Jun 03 19:11:51 <PaulFertser> ThibG: probably some platform glue missing
Jun 03 19:12:14 <ThibG> probably
Jun 03 19:12:28 * ThibG is reading gta02-machine-2.6.34
Jun 03 19:13:40 <PaulFertser> ThibG: i do not remember exactly but this current limit should come from s3c-udc driver iirc.
Jun 03 19:13:54 <PaulFertser> ThibG: before enumeration it should be set to 100mA and after it's 500mA.
Jun 03 19:15:50 <ThibG> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c;h=4e705d164c075bda2602843bac96dcc8bb94f2dc;hp=424fdc40ac031080d71ed90c07b746fe87a9ecdf;hb=b73c4d16edda334d62be79cf8894a8297ee6fbc7;hpb=82e139bd80e8f7c65fae5aa66e588ef04d318881 is related
Jun 03 19:33:28 <JaMa|Away> [Rui]: bb log?
Jun 03 19:33:45 <[Rui]> it was a compile error, -ltinfo not found
Jun 03 19:33:58 <[Rui]> now it's long gone... as I've reissued bb with -k
Jun 03 19:34:46 <JaMa|Away> I'm just surprised because never heared about libtinfo..
Jun 03 19:35:31 <JaMa|Away> [Rui]: but there is also no recipe with name just "alsa" :)
Jun 03 19:35:37 <morphis> valos: I get a "Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" when following your link
Jun 03 19:35:57 <valos> morphis: sorry http://pastebin.com/C8ukADXe
Jun 03 19:36:02 <[Rui]> JaMa|Away: strange, as it was alsa-[version]...
Jun 03 19:36:25 <[Rui]> anyway, thanks to -k it's almost finished, so soon it'll only be the errors :)
Jun 03 19:36:40 <morphis> valos: ah I see
Jun 03 19:36:46 <JaMa|Away> [Rui]: it should be easy to recive that log again :)
Jun 03 19:37:39 <valos> morphis: cool
Jun 03 19:37:41 <morphis> valos: I will fix it, wait a moment
Jun 03 19:38:44 <morphis> otherwise you can workaround this error through a 'bitbake gtk+' first
Jun 03 19:39:20 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r26daa427c642 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): msmcomm: deactivate msmsh for now
Jun 03 19:39:30 <morphis> otherwise try again with 'bitbake -c clean msmcommd && bitbake msmcommd'
Jun 03 19:40:18 <valos> morphis: ok I try
Jun 03 19:43:16 <morphis> valos: btw. I uploaded my last image on http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/tmp/
Jun 03 19:43:41 <valos> morphis: ok
Jun 03 19:55:14 <valos> morphis: what is novaterm ?
Jun 03 19:55:44 <morphis> novaterm is like ssh only over usb without any network configuration
Jun 03 19:55:54 <morphis> you get it from developer.palm.com
Jun 03 19:55:58 <morphis> install it
Jun 03 19:57:02 <tmzt> still using novaterm not bootusb?
Jun 03 19:58:31 <morphis> bootusb?
Jun 03 19:58:40 <Wonka> *grr* can I somehow make fsogsmd start pppd with "replacedefaultroute" instead of "noreplacedefaultroute"?
Jun 03 19:59:01 <lindi-> morphis: is that free software?
Jun 03 19:59:49 <Wonka> It's quite annoying that I have to delete the default route through usb when I am on GPRS and re-create it when I shut down GPRS
Jun 03 20:00:43 <morphis> lindi-: novaterm? not, but there is a open-source implementation for the client program
Jun 03 20:01:14 <lindi-> grr, then please don't suggest people to install it on freenode :)
Jun 03 20:02:32 <PaulFertser> Wonka: yes
Jun 03 20:02:41 <PaulFertser> Wonka: if you specify all pppd parameters in config
Jun 03 20:02:52 <Wonka> PaulFertser: mhkay...
Jun 03 20:03:21 <PaulFertser> Wonka: alternatively, start using fsonetworkd to manage routes
Jun 03 20:04:10 <morphis> lindi-: no way round novaterm for developing for the palm pre
Jun 03 20:04:52 <Wonka> PaulFertser: latter one sounds good - how?
Jun 03 20:09:05 <PaulFertser> Wonka: i'm not using it yet, but it's the officially recommended way :)
Jun 03 20:10:58 <Wonka> PaulFertser: not much documentation yet, it seems...
Jun 03 20:12:32 <PaulFertser> Wonka: there's source ;)
Jun 03 20:13:29 <Wonka> meh ;)
Jun 03 20:13:51 <Wonka> .oO( documentation in formats .c, .py, .vala, .java...
Jun 03 20:13:53 <Wonka> )
Jun 03 20:15:04 <max_posedon> there is one highlevel variant usually - doxygen)
Jun 03 20:19:27 <valos> morphis: yeah FINISH I built my first image !!! thx for your help
Jun 03 21:10:54 <[Rui]> hms... these packages failed for me, trying to find the details: http://pastebin.com/TEKfjPWG
Jun 03 21:11:04 <[Rui]> opkg-native failed due to a compile error
Jun 03 21:28:46 <ThibG> seems like it thinks the USB is disconnected
Jun 03 21:31:23 <ThibG> I can manually change the limitation, and it'll say USB is connected...
Jun 03 21:32:33 <[Rui]> JaMa|Away: coolness (even though the errors) http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/builds/72558/
Jun 03 22:48:06 <[Rui]> good night, all
Jun 03 22:53:26 <knutmithut> alô
Jun 03 23:45:54 * Blu3 is away: on the road to tampa/ybor city, orlando/gay days@disney
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