**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 04 02:59:57 2010 Jul 04 04:30:56 niclone: pong Jul 04 04:31:07 niclone: i do use FSO from git on Debian Jul 04 04:31:08 :) Jul 04 04:31:14 And i like it. Jul 04 04:33:29 with what ui? Jul 04 04:47:38 tmzt_: i currently use only my Emacs UI, but SHR packaged by the Debian team was usable as well (after some minor binary-patching). Jul 04 04:48:23 my irssi is being weird Jul 04 05:10:25 tmzt_: btw, what is ofono used for currently? I see some folks coming with suggestions/fixes etc, but how and where is it used? Jul 04 05:15:36 I've been out of it for a few months, I think they are focused on n900 as far as handsets go and connction cards on pcs Jul 04 05:16:28 DocScrutinizer: can you tell me why cell phones don't just expose dBi/dBm as a progress bar rather than the 4 or 5 bars? is that a Nokia thing that caught on with every other digital cell phone? Jul 04 05:16:51 DocScrutinizer: in reference to this, http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/apple-says-iphone-4-algorithm-is-to-blame-not-signal.ars?comments=1#comments-bar Jul 04 05:18:00 PaulFertser: it's basically like this, I became very disappointed when I saw that ubuntu was never going to support my cpu and just returned to wm as a good enough solution for my current cell phone Jul 04 05:18:57 tmzt_: ubuntu? Hm, i can't see why anyone can wait for them to do anything good at all... Jul 04 05:20:19 one of my requiremnts is I don't have to flash an image to update my device. I hate doing that and it's boring, I hate being tied to a computer Jul 04 05:20:48 tmzt_: it's perfectly understandable. BTW, dos1 from the SHR always managed to use "opkg upgrade" instead of flashing. Jul 04 05:21:01 cool. I don't have fr though Jul 04 05:21:14 tmzt_: yes, but why not Debian? Jul 04 05:21:48 bleeding edge. that brings me back to the hardware issues and the fact that I need something day to day usable for my only cell phone Jul 04 05:22:43 Oh, understandable... Jul 04 05:42:02 sicu, np. Jul 04 05:51:14 mickey|wm: fyi frameworkd and/or fsousaged doesn't quite like it when fsogsmd gets killed in the middle of the dbus call handling. Jul 04 05:51:37 mickey|wm: the list of available resources disappear from lsfsor Jul 04 05:53:01 mickey|wm: i had that due to a fs corruption when fsogsmd crashed because it couldn't call some transport function after it was asked to start communicating with the modem. Jul 04 07:16:56 TAsn: WE ROCK :P Jul 04 07:17:50 mrmoku: even with the HEAD of fsogsmd? ;) Jul 04 07:18:00 :) Jul 04 07:18:09 PaulFertser: not yet Jul 04 07:18:31 PaulFertser: Jama is away and I was distracted yesterday :) Jul 04 07:18:39 mrmoku: hehe, np Jul 04 07:20:07 mrmoku: (thinking about how FSO rocks) funny thing, most people in this world do not think GNU/Linux rocks either. Jul 04 07:22:35 mrmoku: tbh FSO doesn't quite rock yet. It has potential to, but it's not nearly there yet. The aim appeared to be too damn hard. Neither ofono + numerous other things it needs solve anything. Jul 04 07:24:38 (My line of thought atm seem to be aligned with the famous "All MUAs suck. This one just sucks less." Jul 04 07:27:42 PaulFertser: hehe, mutt rocks too Jul 04 07:27:55 PaulFertser: and yes... it's a damn long road :/ Jul 04 07:34:02 does mutt support sms yet? Jul 04 07:35:40 guys, why, why not write fso in C++? Jul 04 07:35:54 playya__: probably because frameworkd and fsogsmd are really the same thing separated by a dbus boundry Jul 04 07:36:54 gena2x: vala is exciting and C++ is so damn hard and complicated (though mad powerful too). Jul 04 07:37:01 uh, that was to you PaulFertser Jul 04 07:38:10 C++ is industrial standart among everything else... Jul 04 07:38:43 aren't c++ and vala both translators from something else to c? Jul 04 07:38:48 gena2x: industries rarely use C++ in a powerful and exciting way. Too much expertise needed, it's not for the coding monkeys. Jul 04 07:39:28 all serious software in telecommunication written in c or c++ i think... Jul 04 07:39:32 gena2x: and i do not care if someone uses C++ like its some strange flavour of Java, i'm not interested the least. Jul 04 07:39:54 tmzt_: c++ is natively compiled nowadays. Jul 04 07:40:00 yeah, I mean in spec Jul 04 07:40:06 in the abstract Jul 04 07:40:19 tmzt_: c++ has own specs. Jul 04 07:40:20 following a set of design patterns (glib in vala's case) or abi Jul 04 07:42:01 PaulFertser: because of such opinion many people avoid using C++, while without patterns it is still excellent thing. Jul 04 07:42:59 PaulFertser: any real good CS curriculums that still teach c++ properly? Jul 04 07:43:39 gena2x: i do not like it when something is not used to its full extent. If c++ is used without deep knowledge of the boost library, i'm out. Jul 04 07:43:54 tmzt_: sorry, no idea, probably "industries" do not need that. :/ Jul 04 07:43:56 what's the boost library? Jul 04 07:44:54 tmzt_: it's basically the most powerful library extending the most exciting c++ features and providing ways for meta-programming and many other convenient and nice features. Also serves as a testbed for the features to be incorporated in the upcoming standard. Jul 04 07:47:13 Of course, wikipedia has more to say about it (and does it more precisely). Jul 04 07:47:56 last wiki hunt took me from MEMS gyro to MADS-box Jul 04 07:48:03 I'm staying out of there for a while Jul 04 07:48:06 :))) Jul 04 07:51:05 well it's better than that, I learned I'm a biochemical machine with metaprogramming primatives Jul 04 07:51:20 PaulFertser: many excellent things were build without boost - like firefox or openoffice. abslutely no reason to use things which are not needed. C++ has much more positive things that just boost library. like wides variety of profiling, development, tools, perfect multiplatform compatibility. c compatibility provides native interface for any of at any level. Jul 04 07:51:32 gena2x: (excellent things) LOL Jul 04 07:51:45 openoffice uses a weird com like thing and constantly rebuilds itself with solver Jul 04 07:51:53 PaulFertser: ? Jul 04 07:52:05 i think openoffice is very good. Jul 04 07:52:30 oh, and multiplatform capability? it's ui toolkit is certainly portable but more in the sense that wxwidgets was Jul 04 07:52:32 i didn't saw many office suites... but it's much better than ms office. Jul 04 07:53:10 heh, you missing that ANY platform has native C++ compiler. Jul 04 07:53:16 gena2x: i think both Fx and OO.o are bad examples of engineering. They're using suboptimal code to solve unexistant problems. Jul 04 07:53:29 Hm, bad english, sorry. Jul 04 07:53:33 But you got the idea. Jul 04 07:53:40 PaulFertser: mozilla has moved a lot of the COM stuff to pure c++ though, at least where speeds an issue Jul 04 07:53:54 nonexistant Jul 04 07:54:34 hmmm. the firefox has 50% of web market. which non-existant problems you talking? Jul 04 07:54:50 gena2x: web market is shit, i do not care about it. Jul 04 07:55:11 tmzt_: (use of english) yeah, i know... Jul 04 07:55:32 hmm. not using internet? Jul 04 07:55:41 gena2x: hey, did you see the share iPad has now? Jul 04 07:56:35 tmzt_: i even never saw ipad and do not know that is it :) Jul 04 07:56:51 it is some kind of player? Jul 04 07:57:58 it's a playa Jul 04 07:58:38 gena2x: i do not like how the companies expect me to use their http interfaces. I do not like to turn my own computer into a thin client for their shitty UIs. I do not like to stare all day long at black letters on the white background (because i prefer white on black). And firefox developers are just following the trend instead of opposing it. Jul 04 07:59:05 user.css Jul 04 07:59:07 fixed Jul 04 07:59:25 gena2x: just try to configure firefox to use both menu accelerators and emacs keybindings in the edit fields and you'll see how the devs are caring about the real issues. Jul 04 07:59:40 tmzt_: i know. It still sucks because quite some sites do not expect me to do that. Jul 04 08:01:07 gena2x: and try to explain why the hell they haven't provided gstreamer integration (i know the answer: legal distribution issues for the windows "build"). Jul 04 08:01:17 on what? Jul 04 08:01:22 oh, Firefox Jul 04 08:01:34 PaulFertser: i do not like many things in web too. and yes, especially hated is of course flash... Jul 04 08:01:53 gena2x: i do not hate flash. I just have no player installed on my machines. Jul 04 08:01:58 I still can't see how people don't see it as total win that Microsoft adopted H.264 rather than WMV Jul 04 08:02:54 gena2x: as to the OO.o, i can't see any sane usecase for it at all (except for viewing some word documents sent by less-talented colleages). Jul 04 08:03:15 And it's so awfully huge and slow... Jul 04 08:03:29 more of an old schoole letter.styer? Jul 04 08:03:31 Not an example of good engineering. Jul 04 08:04:11 PaulFertser: eh... this day you have to install it. recently i were buying phone for my parent, so i wanted to choose something from nokia. and i were unable to browse nokia.com... guess that were flash. Jul 04 08:04:18 tmzt_: well, you know yourself how plain text e-mails are much more efficient for communication, and how LaTeX gives so much better results in typesitting. Jul 04 08:04:42 PaulFertser: so it's impossible to evade it now :( Jul 04 08:04:45 gena2x: well, i wouldn't install flash even if i really needed it. Jul 04 08:04:57 gena2x: if i needed it for work, i'd go to my coworker's pc. Jul 04 08:05:24 gena2x: if not, i'd say "screw it, you bloody bastards" and do nothing. Jul 04 08:05:32 PaulFertser: :) Jul 04 08:06:38 PaulFertser: i can't leave my mother without good phone :) Jul 04 08:06:44 gena2x: for the firefox devs windows users are the first class citizens, that tells a lot about their engineering practicies. Jul 04 08:07:42 PaulFertser: interesting, do you think office suites are not useful in general or you just know something better than oo.org? Jul 04 08:07:50 gena2x: not useful in general. Jul 04 08:08:00 gena2x: at least i do not know of any sane usecase. Jul 04 08:08:03 PaulFertser: how do you prepare your documents? Jul 04 08:08:08 gena2x: vim/emacs Jul 04 08:08:23 PaulFertser: and reports? Jul 04 08:08:31 PaulFertser: is it latex? Jul 04 08:08:33 gena2x: sure Jul 04 08:09:04 * gena2x knows latex a bit. even wrote diploma in latex... Jul 04 08:09:24 gena2x: both my bachelor and magister papers were prepared in latex. Jul 04 08:09:36 * gena2x wants to be able to use latex at work :) Jul 04 08:10:08 but unsortunately, not all people are developers :( Jul 04 08:10:26 I used texmacs for disc math, but I think that was because I could Jul 04 08:11:01 btw i like very much latex output. especially printed. i really fond of latex fonts. Jul 04 08:11:10 gena2x: btw, i had to use a little OO writer recently at work and it lacked any sane numbering style (i've forgotten the details already). That tells a lot about the quality of the software. Jul 04 08:11:31 true, and doesn't really have an outline mode Jul 04 08:12:14 gena2x: so your examples of good C++ software are moot ;) Jul 04 08:12:31 ehh. Jul 04 08:13:15 gena2x: and regardless of that, i like exciting ways, and C++ without cool features is boring. Jul 04 08:14:34 But with them it's sooo complicated Jul 04 08:14:55 That's why i do not know and do not use C++. Jul 04 08:14:56 ;) Jul 04 08:15:23 the fact that your connsider whole classes of everyday tasks not existant (as they are not useful for you) do not mean that best existant software to solve that tasks become worse :) no relation to quality :) Jul 04 08:15:43 :) ok Jul 04 08:16:50 * gena2x almost finished with dma-memcpy-to-glamo-fb. Jul 04 08:18:18 gena2x: yeah, they don't become worse, it's just that they're bad right from the beginning ;) Ok, enough of distracting OT, sorry, guys. Jul 04 08:42:15 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * rce742cdf89e8 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Jul 04 08:42:16 freesmartphone.org: fsogmsd: remove trailing space Jul 04 08:42:16 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:42:17 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * ree1efa5acb6b 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/channel.vala: Jul 04 08:42:17 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: fix deprecated signal connections syntax Jul 04 08:42:17 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * r56488707c085 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atmediators.vala: Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: make atmediators.vala::checkResponseExpected public Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: We can now use it in overridden mediators. Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: Acked-by: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * r48ba96971ef3 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atmediators.vala: Jul 04 08:42:21 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: make atmediators.vala::checkResponseOk() public Jul 04 08:42:25 freesmartphone.org: We can now use it in overridden mediators. Jul 04 08:42:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:42:25 freesmartphone.org: Acked-by: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Jul 04 08:42:25 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * rb8bcee4ee8f4 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Jul 04 08:42:25 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: add preliminary support for Motorola EZX phones Jul 04 08:42:26 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:42:26 freesmartphone.org: Acked-by: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Jul 04 08:42:27 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * rceb2929d04b9 10/fsogsmd/ (10 files in 5 dirs): Jul 04 08:42:27 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: add preliminary support for Motorola EZX phones Jul 04 08:43:09 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 08:43:10 freesmartphone.org: 03ospite 07cornucopia * r4f3995585536 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Jul 04 08:43:10 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: add lowlevel plugin for Motorola EZX phones Jul 04 08:43:10 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Antonio Ospite Jul 04 09:23:33 http://emtooth.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/app has an issue Jul 04 10:48:51 gena2x: any exciting results yet? Jul 04 10:49:49 tmzt_: I have an N900 as of 48 hrs ago, if that counts... why do you ask? Jul 04 11:08:41 Weiss: just wondering what you're going to take on after glamo Jul 04 11:09:04 unless you plan on making an open sgx driver :) Jul 04 11:14:01 PaulFertser: yes, several things to improve here Jul 04 11:42:39 tmzt_: haven't really decided.. I still want to make at least basic 3d work on Glamo Jul 04 11:53:22 with gallium? Jul 04 11:53:31 wasn't there work on fixed function support for it? Jul 04 11:56:51 hi ao2 Jul 04 11:57:08 hi Jul 04 11:57:12 i'm documenting the CIEV values as we speak Jul 04 11:57:16 will commit in a second Jul 04 11:59:10 good mickeyl thanks, I'll try to learn more about +EOPER after lunch Jul 04 12:06:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r56cd39e43c12 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: add PlusCIEV as command Jul 04 12:06:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfb0aec3da7b1 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atunsolicited.vala: fsogsmd: add default +CIEV handler Jul 04 12:06:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6863a1f25826 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala: fsogsmd: const: add networkSignalIndicatorToPercentage() Jul 04 12:06:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5779deb88156 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_freescale_neptune/unsolicited.vala: fsogsmd: modem_freescale_neptune: document enhanced version of +CIEV used by this modem Jul 04 12:22:59 tmzt_: gallium is for shader hardware only.. Jul 04 12:23:39 there's some Mesa code in my Git repository.. almost enough to get triangles on the screen Jul 04 12:25:50 pretty sure there was fixed function attempted for an older radeon card, I'd have to track it down Jul 04 12:26:27 with gallium? Jul 04 12:33:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf1558371d244 10/fsodeviced/conf/motorola_ezx/fsodeviced.conf: fsodevice: motorola_ezx: map keys and buttons for A780 Jul 04 12:37:02 Weiss: this is what I remember/found again Jul 04 12:37:04 http://www.mail-archive.com/mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08074.html Jul 04 12:37:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium3D#cite_note-9 and 10 Jul 04 12:38:51 I'm also wonder if you use drm/ttm for command submission on glamo or if you use extened IOCTLs and libdrm-*, and also if you do any kind of sanitization in the kernel space Jul 04 13:01:05 tmzt_: are you working on glamo with gena2x or separately? Jul 04 13:01:49 Gabrys: I'm not working on glamo, I'm trying to research arm gpus to better understand the discussion on lkml Jul 04 13:02:01 ah, ok Jul 04 13:02:02 and hopefully not see qualcomm walk away Jul 04 13:08:11 hi mickeyl Jul 04 13:08:13 hi leviathan Jul 04 13:08:56 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Jul 04 13:09:10 I've static rotation working Jul 04 13:09:17 static means no xrandr -o 1 Jul 04 13:09:26 working means that it's usable Jul 04 13:09:31 even with suspend Jul 04 13:09:44 I've done a hack tough Jul 04 13:10:03 I'm not shure it's really a hack....I don't know xorg enough Jul 04 13:11:51 btw there is still no 32G microsd cards? Jul 04 13:13:31 GNUtoo|laptop: hmm Jul 04 13:13:48 I dunno if there are 32G µSD cards Jul 04 13:13:54 but I can check Jul 04 13:13:58 ok Jul 04 13:14:06 only fake ones maybe Jul 04 13:14:07 that with the xorg is totaly nice Jul 04 13:14:10 lol ok Jul 04 13:14:12 hmm Jul 04 13:14:13 okee Jul 04 13:14:18 basically the hack is in msmfb Jul 04 13:14:29 not shadow in -fbdev? Jul 04 13:14:34 oops Jul 04 13:14:35 sorry Jul 04 13:14:59 basically the hack is in xf86-video-fbdev not in xf86-input-tslib Jul 04 13:15:10 they changed devprivate API Jul 04 13:15:16 so you have to do in: Jul 04 13:15:18 fbdev.c Jul 04 13:15:25 hmm, ok Jul 04 13:15:34 if its ugly Jul 04 13:15:37 and against spec Jul 04 13:15:44 its as so called ugly hack Jul 04 13:15:45 ;-) Jul 04 13:15:47 not shure if it's ugly Jul 04 13:15:50 ok Jul 04 13:16:22 there is : Jul 04 13:16:26 if (!fPtr->rotate) Jul 04 13:16:32 FBDevDGAInit(pScrn, pScreen); Jul 04 13:16:35 comment the if Jul 04 13:16:42 and the else and it's content Jul 04 13:16:58 and you'll have CW rotation in xorg.conf Jul 04 13:17:22 hmm Jul 04 13:17:23 ok Jul 04 13:17:26 basically FBDevDGAInit uses the new devprivate api Jul 04 13:17:31 while the else content doesn't Jul 04 13:17:37 whats about randr support? Jul 04 13:17:42 how far are we there? Jul 04 13:17:47 it's there but xrandr -o 1 doesn't work Jul 04 13:17:59 becuase xf86DisableRandR(); was in the else Jul 04 13:18:32 hmm Jul 04 13:18:53 then comment the disablement and look what happens ;-) Jul 04 13:19:09 no Jul 04 13:19:12 comment the whole else Jul 04 13:19:25 and its content Jul 04 13:19:35 comment the if but not its content Jul 04 13:19:55 I should ask JaMa before pushing to oe I think Jul 04 13:21:44 uhm Jul 04 13:21:57 good idea Jul 04 13:22:06 because as it seems its really a hack Jul 04 13:22:08 :-) Jul 04 13:22:10 not shure Jul 04 13:24:45 or simpler Jul 04 13:24:52 you did changes you're not sure with Jul 04 13:24:54 ask jama Jul 04 13:25:27 I'll ask JaMa anyway Jul 04 13:27:05 good Jul 04 13:46:11 gena2x: hi, what's new in your overclocking efforts? Jul 04 13:47:29 tmzt_: tmzt_ command submission is via DRM ioctls (e.g. on /dev/dri/card0), but not using TTM Jul 04 13:47:46 okay, standard IOCTL or glamo specific Jul 04 13:47:55 trying to do a survey of existing drivers Jul 04 13:49:47 gena2x: you can document it on the wiki (www.openmoko.org) before it dissapears among ordinary e-mails in ML archive Jul 04 13:51:44 tmzt_: glamo-specific, but implemented via the DRM framework... it's a real DRM driver, not a special non-DRM driver like the kind being talked about on LKML at the moment Jul 04 13:52:01 memory management is with entirely standard GEM calls Jul 04 13:52:07 yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand Jul 04 13:52:34 the qualcomm driver only uses /dev/kgsl for creating contexts to my knowledge, so I'm trying to expand that knowledge Jul 04 13:55:15 yeah.. I think I get the idea of what you're trying to find out Jul 04 13:55:32 if the device node is anything other than /dev/dri/card*, then it's not a "real" DRM driver Jul 04 14:17:57 yo GNUtoo|laptop Jul 04 14:18:05 hi Jul 04 14:18:17 I got static rotation working,I'm not shure it's a hack or not Jul 04 14:18:58 nice Jul 04 14:19:40 it become to be usable Jul 04 14:19:49 s/become/starts Jul 04 14:20:55 hmmm Jul 04 14:20:56 make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/arm/mach-msm/msm_wifi.c', needed by `arch/arm/mach-msm/msm_wifi.o'. Stop. Jul 04 14:21:14 strange Jul 04 14:21:59 ahh ok Jul 04 14:49:45 Weiss: hi, about my dma glamo idea: still not finished now. my implementation is not really proper, but just proof of concept. last thing i had working is DMA with busyloop pooling. speed meauserement told me that doing this way (with copyinng data directly from userspace to VRAM at 0x8800000) has absolutely same performance as plain memcpy to video memory. Now i am finishing irq-based dma, in the end i should have sleeping process not eating cpu and w Jul 04 14:49:45 aking after transfer. Jul 04 14:51:25 Weiss: want to see how such configuration will influence over processes (polling one is slowed down by other processes, as it requieres to feed next pages from time to time, so needs shedule) Jul 04 14:51:39 s/over/other/ Jul 04 14:51:39 gena2x meant: Weiss: want to see how such configuration will influence other processes (polling one is slowed down by other processes, as it requieres to feed next pages from time to time, so needs shedule) Jul 04 14:53:37 Weiss: also reviewed about bulks - i't possible to use s3c timer as a signal to start dma transfer periodically on small time periods, so right now my final idea sounds testable as a minimum. Jul 04 14:55:02 Weiss: so, i am hoping today finish with irq. (it has some bugs right now) Jul 04 14:57:41 Martix_: about cloking, yeah, my 'overclocking effort' results is just working here and in few people's hands :) i'll document this on wiki, but later after glamo stuff is finished. also need to test and fix suspend. Jul 04 14:58:08 great :-) Jul 04 15:14:18 hmmm for wifi we have several solutions Jul 04 15:14:28 *use wlan.ko Jul 04 15:15:06 and look if it works with 2.6.32 Jul 04 15:15:20 *use compat wireless Jul 04 15:15:36 and look for Jul 04 15:15:59 **how wlan.ko uses the sdio interface Jul 04 15:16:06 and or Jul 04 15:16:37 **if the sdio is as complete as the shipping kernel s version Jul 04 15:16:47 or Jul 04 15:17:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc3246922f343 10/fsodeviced/conf/motorola_ezx/fsodeviced.conf: fsodeviced: conf/motorola_ezx: add PHONE_HANGUP for A1200 Jul 04 15:17:19 *simply use the 2.6.32 wifi with psm disabled Jul 04 15:17:32 btw... Jul 04 15:18:08 I need to push frameworkd.conf for the dream somewhere Jul 04 15:18:38 it permit to use shr image phone functionalities Jul 04 15:19:17 is JaMa here Jul 04 15:39:49 GNUtoo|htcdream: if you want to push to default SHR config, then give it to me Jul 04 15:39:54 i'll commit it Jul 04 15:44:56 ok Ill do Jul 04 15:45:00 soon Jul 04 15:45:29 for now i m testing wifi without psm on the dream Jul 04 15:45:52 and as the name suggest....i m typing from the dream Jul 04 15:46:05 wich has a good keyboard btw Jul 04 15:46:25 wifi drains battery very fast Jul 04 15:47:08 btw I need to talk to JaMa about xf86 video fbdev Jul 04 15:47:21 spaetz: hey :) The folks ask every now and then about the shr-t destiny, what're your plans? Jul 04 15:48:38 shreak mean shr experimental android kernel Jul 04 17:40:27 mrmoku, by you, do you mean you and I or germany? :P Jul 04 17:40:35 J/K, yeah YOU ROCK!~ Jul 04 17:41:12 After you kicked our ass, I decided (realized) you'll go all the way. Jul 04 17:43:00 hi there. Just a couple of questions: 1) how can I request wifi activation when not using wpa_supplicant?, please. And 2), how can I change the default brightness level?, please :) Jul 04 17:47:58 TAsn: both :) Jul 04 17:48:46 ftn: a) try iliwi b) in /etc/phonefsod.conf :) Jul 04 17:49:51 http://corte.si/posts/code/visualisingsorting/index.html Jul 04 17:51:01 mrmoku thanks! Jul 04 17:52:33 TAsn: explanatory power of a glob of porridge flung against a wall Jul 04 17:52:36 nice ;) Jul 04 17:53:19 mrmoku, :P Jul 04 17:54:45 http://images.wildammo.com/2010/07/01/steve-jobs-tells-bill-gates-hes-being-sued/ Jul 04 17:54:46 another lol. Jul 04 17:55:12 ~seen raster Jul 04 17:55:14 raster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 15h 17m 42s ago, saying: 'but will make some people happy'. Jul 04 17:58:16 hi Jul 04 17:58:29 wondering which web browser you guys are using in SHR Jul 04 17:59:55 the default one Jul 04 17:59:57 ventura Jul 04 18:02:27 looks nice Jul 04 18:09:52 hmm Jul 04 18:09:54 coffee... Jul 04 18:11:40 mickeyl: the mcdonalds capuccino is not the best Jul 04 18:36:21 heh Jul 04 18:36:24 famous last words Jul 04 18:55:16 hi, how can I load the wifi firmware and calibration on the htcdream if there is no udev? using the fso plugin? Jul 04 19:01:15 GNUtoo|laptop: to load firmware you definitely should have something listening on the netlink socket... Jul 04 19:01:37 ok Jul 04 19:01:58 basically on SHR udev is gone, they have now devtmpfs Jul 04 19:02:09 installing udev makes the phone unbootable Jul 04 19:02:18 (like when you install navit) Jul 04 19:02:45 GNUtoo|laptop: yep i know. I can think of a hack like listening to kernel messages and when there's firmware requested to blindly try to pass it to the kernel. Jul 04 19:02:59 I know how to do it by hand....but Jul 04 19:03:14 doing by hand is not great Jul 04 19:03:18 echo 1 > loading Jul 04 19:03:33 cat /lib/firmware/wl1251something > data Jul 04 19:03:35 etc... Jul 04 19:04:57 there is a firmware loading fso plugin tough Jul 04 19:05:10 but I'm not shure if it has the right path for compat-wireless Jul 04 19:05:21 btw you seem to know well wireless Jul 04 19:05:26 I've huge issues with PSM Jul 04 19:05:40 I've: Jul 04 19:05:43 wl1251_sdio Jul 04 19:05:55 msm sdio controller Jul 04 19:06:15 it works (with lots of erros) Jul 04 19:06:27 until when it stops working Jul 04 19:06:31 after 15/30 min Jul 04 19:06:46 I'll retry now Jul 04 19:25:47 GNUtoo|laptop: no, i no ~nothing about wireless :( Jul 04 19:26:03 ok Jul 04 19:26:45 GNUtoo|laptop: hm, right, the firmware loading was changed and compat needs new scheme, i've read about it. Probably the plugin should be modified anyway to aim at new kernels. Jul 04 19:27:22 ok Jul 04 19:56:36 any pointers to the mdbus2 command to set the name and visibility of bluetooth? Jul 04 20:00:43 b0ef: yeah Jul 04 20:00:56 b0ef: have you seen the Manually using bluetooth wikipage? Jul 04 20:01:22 PaulFertser: you mean the one that uses the mdbus commands and not mdbus2 commands? Jul 04 20:01:38 b0ef: hm, no, it mainly uses dbus-send commands Jul 04 20:01:54 PaulFertser: it doesn't mention anything about visibility Jul 04 20:01:55 b0ef: also mdbus and mdbus2 are almost one-to-one compatible. What's your particular problem? Jul 04 20:02:35 PaulFertser: well, I'm trying to have the neo appear in a scan from another host Jul 04 20:02:51 b0ef: "The next example is how to make your device discoverable:" Jul 04 20:03:21 indeed;) Jul 04 20:03:31 b0ef: ain't that enough? Jul 04 20:03:31 damn Jul 04 20:03:36 :) Jul 04 20:03:42 yeah, sure is; thanks Jul 04 20:04:05 b0ef: are you interested in Emacs UI to FSO? Jul 04 20:04:17 yeah Jul 04 20:04:24 b0ef: so, what can you say about mine? Jul 04 20:04:42 b0ef: i use it exclusively on my only cellphone. Jul 04 20:05:41 PaulFertser: ?, you were supposed to send a url to it, right? Jul 04 20:06:33 b0ef: hehe, i did it a month ago to the community ML. http://wiki.github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/ Jul 04 20:07:17 PaulFertser: hehe, that's wicked; I'll play a lot with that, no doubt Jul 04 20:07:26 :D Jul 04 20:07:52 b0ef: feel free to send me suggestions whenever you feel like. I'm really open to those. I hate to be the only user you know ;) Jul 04 20:08:42 b0ef: among usual tasks it only lacks adding/editing contacts, i do it with opimd-cli currently :) Jul 04 20:08:52 I sure will Jul 04 20:11:15 I'll play alot with fso these days, so this is a godsend Jul 04 20:11:59 :) Jul 04 20:13:01 b0ef: that's my first elisp experience in fact, and first experience of FP too, so i'd like to hear suggestions about improving it code-wise as well. Jul 04 20:13:32 b0ef: ewoc somewhat sucks imho... Jul 04 20:14:22 PaulFertser: elisp is not my strong side at all, though; I'm a c/c++ guy, but I use emacs day in and day out, so I'll give user feedback Jul 04 20:14:36 b0ef: thanks in advance Jul 04 20:15:50 I actually don't want any bbdb integration, though;) Jul 04 20:15:56