**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 02:59:57 2010 Jul 25 03:42:30 Think I should open a ticket on Trac to request the shr developers to include an md5sum of filesystem images ? Jul 25 03:43:25 I'm wondering where the appropriate place is to ask for that. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:13:48 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 05:16:15 2010 Jul 25 05:48:03 gonzoism, trac Jul 25 05:48:20 thanks Jul 25 05:49:59 gonzoism, and you should probably assign it to jama which is unfortunately not here. Jul 25 05:50:40 TAsn, thank you for that too ! :) you made that easy. Jul 25 05:51:23 Actually I (we) made it hard since we didn't include md5sums in the first place. :P Jul 25 05:51:52 anyhow, work, ciao. Jul 25 05:52:01 ciao ! Jul 25 06:30:15 <[Rui]> hi, bye. work (on a Sunday) *sigh* Jul 25 07:33:42 GNUtoo|laptop: VOIP is quite much on top of my wish list too :) Jul 25 07:35:37 lindi-: I want it to be integrated in the 'normal' phone stack... not two different programs depending on wether the other side is GSM or VOIP Jul 25 07:36:41 GNUtoo|laptop: could you take a look at sflphone.org ... and tell me if you too think that would perfectly fit to the fso architecture? Jul 25 07:37:36 hi,does shr shares that file: bb_persist_data.sqlite3 ? Jul 25 07:37:37 in other words: can I build a compatible package,for instance linphone and still use the shr official images Jul 25 07:39:11 ok loading the page Jul 25 07:41:16 wow Jul 25 07:41:24 the wikipedia article says it uses dbus Jul 25 07:41:30 it has iax too Jul 25 07:41:44 support encryption Jul 25 07:43:20 GNUtoo|laptop: yep :) Jul 25 07:43:31 GNUtoo|laptop: we only have one buildhost... so no sharing Jul 25 07:43:41 ah ok Jul 25 07:43:47 if you want to build compatible packages you have to keep it in sync with your local buildhost Jul 25 07:43:55 copy it Jul 25 07:44:05 that should work Jul 25 07:44:29 copy it from where? Jul 25 07:44:43 else...I build my own incompatible images and use that Jul 25 07:45:10 I just want some more packages like wesnoth,linphone,tasks,etc... Jul 25 07:45:29 GNUtoo|laptop: ohh... symlink missing Jul 25 07:45:32 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable.29/cache/ Jul 25 07:45:50 we had it exposed there... will fix the symlink for the current one too Jul 25 07:45:57 ok thanks Jul 25 07:46:37 ahh... the one in .29 is still pointing to the current one :P Jul 25 07:46:54 ok fixed Jul 25 07:46:58 thanks Jul 25 07:47:07 bbl... got to visit my parents Jul 25 07:47:20 and I really... really want to have sflphone in integrated Jul 25 07:47:31 anyway cu Jul 25 07:48:02 see you **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 10:36:14 2010 Jul 25 10:46:21 gnutoo: hi! Jul 25 10:46:26 gnutoo: how are the exams going ? Jul 25 10:55:04 leviathan: were you able to fix the dream 'release' kernel problem ? Jul 25 10:55:26 If anyone is looking at pastebin'd problems could they take a look at mine, as well: http://pastebin.com/47eh4UHH Jul 25 10:55:52 I'll be off for some time, but will check the back log when I'm home... Jul 25 11:00:16 dcordes_: nope Jul 25 11:08:14 dcordes_, hi Jul 25 11:08:34 dcordes_, which problem? Jul 25 11:09:01 anyone: http://pastebin.com/911miZsM ? Jul 25 11:27:43 gnutoo: sorry ? Jul 25 11:28:33 leviathan: hm I'm not saying it's a problem to us but next time if I were you I would consider quick test boot in case of such a release announcement Jul 25 11:29:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rff9923d6acdd 10/configure.ac: bump Jul 25 11:29:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r71af0efafb46 10/configure.ac: bump Jul 25 11:49:51 dcordes_: gnutoo told you sorry because he did the release, I guess Jul 25 11:50:20 dcordes_: and I trusted into the stability Jul 25 11:53:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re7bf5bc17b5e 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_idle/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel_idle: fix warning; add more descriptive state debug output Jul 25 11:53:37 gnutoo: ah you mean which problem with kernel.. of course. by 'sorry?' I mean I didn't understand what problem :) Jul 25 11:53:42 lack of coffee Jul 25 11:54:49 gnutoo: it's following situation: we put anouncement of SHR on dream on htc-linux and didn't know the current builds are broken Jul 25 11:55:10 gnutoo: http://www.facebook.com/HTCLinux 3rd post on wall Jul 25 11:55:22 gnutoo: and also made it known through other channels of information Jul 25 11:56:40 gnutoo: I think quite some people wanted to check it out and failed becuase a) instructions are not noob friendly b) kernel broken Jul 25 12:04:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2eeb15cc0bd2 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: debug-- Jul 25 12:16:56 dcordes_, hi again,sorry I was eating Jul 25 12:17:02 dcordes_, I've no facebook Jul 25 12:17:21 dcordes_, what is broken in kernel Jul 25 12:17:27 2)there are no information at all Jul 25 12:17:32 should I write them? Jul 25 12:18:05 gnutoo: you don't need facebook to read it. Jul 25 12:19:06 gnutoo: but if you don't like going to facebook either way it is only a link to http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=DreamBuilds Jul 25 12:25:00 dcordes_, sorry bad connection Jul 25 12:26:08 GNUtoo|laptop: k so essentially we just posted link to http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=DreamBuilds page I added Jul 25 12:26:55 GNUtoo|laptop: also added basic info about shr. it would be nice to add a quick installation how to (highly noob friendly) that assumes use of files on trac download site Jul 25 12:27:15 dcordes_, could you pastebin me the problem Jul 25 12:27:25 because I don't understand where it is in all theses posts Jul 25 12:27:38 I'll make some instructions Jul 25 12:27:39 then Jul 25 12:27:50 I tried to recruit a user to make them but it failled Jul 25 12:28:34 GNUtoo|laptop: leviathan knows what is the problem. as you know I have no dream.. Jul 25 12:28:50 ok Jul 25 12:28:52 hi leviathan Jul 25 12:29:12 GNUtoo|laptop: something is in #htc-linux logs. user reported problem about 'boot loop' Jul 25 12:29:36 GNUtoo|laptop: if you consider noob install guide it would be good to add it in DreamBuilds page Jul 25 12:30:09 ok Jul 25 12:30:13 boot loop means Jul 25 12:30:25 the kernel not finding the rootfs Jul 25 12:30:52 the kernel expect the rootfs beeing extN on first sd partition Jul 25 12:31:02 * dcordes_ shrugs Jul 25 12:31:09 sorry but I got no clue about how dream booting work Jul 25 12:31:40 ah ok Jul 25 12:31:48 I must do some maths now Jul 25 12:31:55 but I'll do a guide this afternoon then Jul 25 12:32:04 btw is there any SHR person here Jul 25 12:32:08 I've a build issue Jul 25 12:35:30 GNUtoo|laptop: ok and would be nice if you good give the boot problem a quick look. broken release no good :( Jul 25 12:35:43 it works Jul 25 12:35:49 it's only that it doesn't find the rootfs Jul 25 12:36:00 I think we must have 2 kernels Jul 25 12:36:02 a debug one Jul 25 12:36:04 with console Jul 25 12:36:12 and a prodction one Jul 25 12:42:04 user really needs this ? Jul 25 12:42:18 ah right. production one for user that is able to find rootfs ? that would be good Jul 25 12:42:48 GNUtoo|laptop: is it possible to make windows user friendly guide ? Jul 25 12:42:56 GNUtoo|laptop: or does user need linux to install ? Jul 25 12:48:51 it needs fastboot Jul 25 12:48:53 that's all Jul 25 12:48:56 ah no Jul 25 12:49:03 you have to format and untar the image Jul 25 12:49:07 let me think.... Jul 25 12:49:16 we need .ext3.gz images then Jul 25 12:54:18 because how could a non-linux user unpack a tarball to an ext3 filesystem Jul 25 12:54:18 dcordes_, also it lacks a graphical GUI installer Jul 25 12:54:36 by installer I mean Jul 25 12:56:08 GNUtoo|laptop: on wince devices we solve this problem by using initramfs that mounts and 'newroot's rootfs.ext3 Jul 25 12:56:50 GNUtoo|laptop: so user has an archive with haret.exe ,zImage, initrd.cpio.gz rootfs.ext2 Jul 25 12:57:00 and bootscript.txt for haret.exe Jul 25 12:57:06 user runs haret.exe and is happy Jul 25 12:57:28 guide is condensed to: extract all files into root directory of your storage card and tap haret.exe Jul 25 12:57:51 here too Jul 25 12:57:51 every windoze user can follow this Jul 25 12:57:55 but Jul 25 12:58:05 how can a windows user extract a tarball Jul 25 12:58:10 to an ext filesystem Jul 25 12:58:11 use .zip Jul 25 12:58:19 aha Jul 25 12:58:23 don't use ext filesystem Jul 25 12:58:34 we need an installer then Jul 25 12:58:36 or... Jul 25 12:58:40 we could do like buglabs Jul 25 12:58:41 find a way to loop mount .ext2 file Jul 25 12:58:44 ext3.gz Jul 25 12:58:46 that way Jul 25 12:58:56 gnutoo: buglabs? Jul 25 12:59:04 gnutoo: what do they do Jul 25 12:59:08 bug devices Jul 25 12:59:12 explain boot mechanism ? Jul 25 12:59:12 it's a hardware Jul 25 12:59:23 boot is the same but... Jul 25 12:59:28 windows has somehting like dd Jul 25 12:59:34 so Jul 25 12:59:49 hmm Jul 25 12:59:50 I'll look Jul 25 12:59:52 what are the options for 'root=' on dream? can you use initramfs file ? Jul 25 12:59:57 I'll do some maths now Jul 25 13:00:05 how do you tell dream which kernel to use ? Jul 25 13:00:18 I can do everything but it'll use some time Jul 25 13:00:33 okay Jul 25 13:00:34 I prefer working on something more core Jul 25 13:00:45 if you want me to make a new anouncement just ping Jul 25 13:00:49 more core ? Jul 25 13:00:56 wifi with PSM Jul 25 13:01:02 I must test my changes Jul 25 13:01:22 or Jul 25 13:01:24 aha good. but in that case you should not complain that nobody knows wants and uses anything but android on that device Jul 25 13:01:29 we don't target windows people yet Jul 25 13:01:44 that would be a good thing Jul 25 13:01:51 since it would remove a lot of critisism Jul 25 13:02:01 and bad press for "linux" Jul 25 13:02:35 anyway the only possible way to install something is: Jul 25 13:02:38 opkg install foo Jul 25 13:02:42 with foo beeing a package Jul 25 13:02:52 that's highly not windows ready Jul 25 13:03:35 gnutoo: shr-installer is coming with full glory :) Jul 25 13:03:56 gnutoo: TI has project to work on packagekit opkg backend Jul 25 13:03:56 wow nice Jul 25 13:04:01 nice!!! Jul 25 13:04:13 gnutoo: and i already have basics for elementary GUI Jul 25 13:04:19 as shr-installer already works somehow Jul 25 13:04:20 ok Jul 25 13:04:36 there are just bugs and missing functionality in packagekit backend Jul 25 13:04:38 update will work? Jul 25 13:04:43 that is to say opkg upgrade Jul 25 13:04:51 which is not supported by opkg backend Jul 25 13:04:54 in packagekit Jul 25 13:05:05 gnutoo: it is, i recently fixed bug with that Jul 25 13:05:12 wow!!!! Jul 25 13:05:46 gnutoo: but i didn't test it yet, it's possible that there still are some minor bugs Jul 25 13:06:12 ok Jul 25 13:06:20 btw about my build issue Jul 25 13:06:47 http://pastebin.com/911miZsM Jul 25 13:18:40 gnutoo: I've got the same here Jul 25 13:18:42 dunno why Jul 25 13:19:24 same compilation error? Jul 25 13:21:16 gnutoo: yes Jul 25 13:21:24 seems that this library is broken atm Jul 25 13:22:38 ok Jul 25 13:25:12 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r044d260511bc 10/palmpre/preboot/ (Makefile.am conf/preboot.conf configure.ac src/main.vala): Jul 25 13:25:12 freesmartphone.org: palmpre: preboot: enhance preboot in several ways Jul 25 13:25:12 freesmartphone.org: - base cmdline is now read from /proc/cmdline Jul 25 13:25:12 freesmartphone.org: - parts of base_cmdline can be removed via cmdline_remove config option Jul 25 13:25:13 freesmartphone.org: - new parts can be appended to base_cmdline via cmdline_append config option Jul 25 13:25:13 freesmartphone.org: - preboot detects now if it is running via framebuffer or x11 Jul 25 13:25:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r5266cfbb7732 10/android/rpc/ (22 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git.freesmartphone.org:utilities Jul 25 13:26:09 15:01 < gnutoo> since it would remove a lot of critisism Jul 25 13:26:09 15:02 < gnutoo> and bad press for "linux" Jul 25 13:26:13 gnutoo: right Jul 25 13:26:32 gnutoo: google do it right Jul 25 13:26:39 gnutoo: they noob and windoze friendly Jul 25 13:27:09 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07libphone-ui-shr * r620b9568af04 10/data/idle_screen/idle_screen.edc: comment unneeded spectrum part Jul 25 13:27:55 dcordes_, we can do it but later Jul 25 13:28:20 gnutoo, leviathan: i just saw in the logs, you have trouble building libphone-ui-shr because of the broken spectrum part... i just commented it, as it isn't used anyways Jul 25 13:28:40 hmm, ok Jul 25 13:28:43 Slyon, did you commit or comment locally? Jul 25 13:28:47 just pushed Jul 25 13:29:13 ok Jul 25 13:29:37 leviathan: do you see the possibility to make dream.zip that is installable from windows host ? Jul 25 13:35:49 dcordes_: if you want it, do that. it shouldn't be hard Jul 25 13:36:09 dcordes_: but they have really more important things to work on at first place Jul 25 13:36:10 dos1: if you don't have the device it is hard Jul 25 13:36:21 dos1: lol. what I said above,..... Jul 25 13:36:33 ok Jul 25 13:37:25 dcordes_: why for some windoze noob would install SHR, if nothing interesting for him really works out-of-box? Jul 25 13:37:54 let's make it working out of box, and then care about them :P Jul 25 13:38:47 dcordes_: we spoke about an installation sd card on fosdem, like android does? that might be the possibility Jul 25 13:38:49 ^^ Jul 25 13:38:49 if you'll advertize non-working thing, you won't remove critisism - you'll add more Jul 25 13:39:30 dos1: yes, n00bs wanna have ootb stuff Jul 25 13:39:32 I don't advertise Jul 25 13:39:49 I just said that building official images was ok Jul 25 13:39:51 with freerunner we have quite good situation - we can advertise what we want, because most of users are computer geeks ;) Jul 25 13:40:37 dos1: ok then next time don't anounce bad release on htc-linux :( Jul 25 13:40:52 leviathan: you mean on FAT fs sd card ? Jul 25 13:41:11 dos1: it's up to you. as I said if you want to anounce anything let me know Jul 25 13:41:20 dos1: and many will try it in no time Jul 25 13:41:42 dcordes_: no, i mean - we have to take care about presence of SHR in non-tech people minds :P Jul 25 13:42:00 dos1: right Jul 25 13:42:11 dcordes_: think about it: "OMG COOL LINUX SHR CAN I HAS IT PLZ?" Jul 25 13:42:32 you say: "yes, just run shr-installator.exe" Jul 25 13:42:47 dos1: that's what I'm saying. I am just trying to motivate you putting more focus on those non-techies Jul 25 13:42:52 and then you have "OMFG WTF IS THIZ SHIT, NUTHIN WORKZ" Jul 25 13:42:54 ;D Jul 25 13:43:27 if you stay up in yoour little moko cave here you will never know what people want Jul 25 13:43:31 no feedback Jul 25 13:43:41 hmm Jul 25 13:43:56 which is why I don't see a problemn about preview releases Jul 25 13:44:03 we will soon make a list, what still needs to be implemented in SHR Jul 25 13:44:09 for seeling it successfully Jul 25 13:44:13 *selling Jul 25 13:44:30 dcordes_: yup, we just have to find a "gold middle" ;] Jul 25 13:44:54 a golden gate ^^ Jul 25 13:45:15 we do it now, going to try'n it to sell Jul 25 13:45:29 but first we will polish SHR further Jul 25 13:45:42 dcordes_: we already know what people want, they want gated appstore, and antenna problem, according to apple figures and lots of article on the net Jul 25 13:45:44 as "look at this pretty shiny dbus interface, isn't it cool?" is also bad approach ;) Jul 25 13:45:58 dos1: can you elaborate ? Jul 25 13:46:28 dos1: the gold middle Jul 25 13:46:36 dcordes_: i mean situation when developers only care about "pretty" interfaces etc., but totally ignore user needs is bad Jul 25 13:46:56 dos1: agreed Jul 25 13:47:00 dcordes_: but ignoring infrastructure and going out to users with buggy and unstable software is also bad Jul 25 13:47:31 my company will do soon a brainstorm Jul 25 13:47:32 you need to take care about both things, there's no other options ;) Jul 25 13:47:54 we should soon come out with a TODO, which allows us, to work more efficient Jul 25 13:47:58 dcordes_: i think that before getting enduser, everything should be done to get developer, because developers provides more user in the long run, while the reverse is not true :/ Jul 25 13:47:59 dos1: it seems like you are eager to get something usable going very soon. and from experience I know that also the non-tech people are very interested about on going development progresses. Jul 25 13:48:15 s/progresses/processes/ Jul 25 13:48:16 dcordes_ meant: dos1: it seems like you are eager to get something usable going very soon. and from experience I know that also the non-tech people are very interested about on going development processes. Jul 25 13:48:24 dcordes_: yup. that's why we have open developmnent process, everyone is welcomed Jul 25 13:48:46 dcordes_: but when you do development, you know what to expect Jul 25 13:48:59 dcordes_: people who use "one-click-install" mostly don't know Jul 25 13:49:13 dos1: shoot a small video showcasing calling sms and maybe bit multimedia fun, fix a noob friendly install guide that works without linux host, add a status page Jul 25 13:49:21 and, because of that, are disappointed Jul 25 13:49:26 dos1: and I can guarantee attention Jul 25 13:49:53 dos1: do you know about linux kernel support for OMAP4? Jul 25 13:50:15 leviathan: nope :( Jul 25 13:50:43 a 1GHz CPU would be soo nice in the new phone Jul 25 13:50:57 because then even gentoo could run properly ^_^ Jul 25 13:51:18 imagine, golden gate with alternate gentoo images Jul 25 13:52:50 | * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package glibc-localedata-i18n. Jul 25 13:52:55 from do_rootfs Jul 25 13:53:01 dos1: what do the one click install users not know? turst me. do what I said Jul 25 13:53:10 if you want some PR Jul 25 13:53:34 so users can user cycle like checking status page for new feature and download one click isntall image Jul 25 13:53:40 then you have word of mouth Jul 25 13:53:47 ah havey ou seen that new SHR feature ? Jul 25 13:53:50 you gotta try it Jul 25 13:54:39 and if you get critical mass of users it will soon appear on some stupid tech blogs millions read Jul 25 13:54:40 dcordes_: i agree, just let them finish their basic issues ;) Jul 25 13:54:45 'bring your g1 to new life' Jul 25 13:54:59 dos1: allow people to watch them finish their basic issues. Jul 25 13:55:18 dcordes_: i'm sure there will be enough bugs for watching after release :P Jul 25 13:55:44 but Jul 25 13:55:45 yes, but you gotta get the basics working without issues first, otherwise that word of mouth is wasted on users who won't return due to unfinished software Jul 25 13:56:00 end users aren't all that patient ;p Jul 25 13:56:09 yup, that's what i meant :) Jul 25 13:56:26 hmm Jul 25 13:56:30 yes Jul 25 13:56:55 dcordes_: i don't mean "fix all possible bugs and release bullet-proof image to users" Jul 25 13:56:59 last time we discussed the samsung plan, I got a lot of good answers Jul 25 13:57:27 dcordes_: just "fix annoying basics which can even prevent you from using some core features" Jul 25 13:57:30 wifi is core feature Jul 25 13:57:36 sicu: I have enough experience to disagree with your statement users will not return. Jul 25 13:57:45 dcordes_: would YOU buy a development phone from Samsung? Jul 25 13:58:14 leviathan: no. but are you selling shr on dream ?! Jul 25 13:58:25 dcordes_: no Jul 25 13:58:31 I'm seeling a project Jul 25 13:58:33 ^^ Jul 25 13:58:34 soon Jul 25 13:58:35 leviathan: I know you all about your new project Jul 25 13:58:46 k Jul 25 13:58:46 leviathan: but I thougt we are discussing differernt topic right here Jul 25 13:58:54 hmm, sry Jul 25 13:59:05 its just not releasing me Jul 25 13:59:12 I guess its lamp fever or so Jul 25 13:59:15 ^_^" Jul 25 13:59:18 ;p Jul 25 13:59:20 not a bad thing Jul 25 13:59:33 I mean, coreans... I'll talk with coreans Jul 25 13:59:45 OMFG, never thought it would come so far Jul 25 13:59:48 with big bosses Jul 25 14:00:03 leviathan: gnutoo: anyway. do me a favor and think about what I said. I just want to help giving this project the attention it deserves. Jul 25 14:00:15 dcordes_: yes, ok Jul 25 14:00:30 we will try to fix the issues first,before we promote it Jul 25 14:00:31 ;-D Jul 25 14:02:17 leviathan: the problem about that is you caused initial promotion already Jul 25 14:02:27 leviathan: imho you should fix this ASAP Jul 25 14:02:46 hmm Jul 25 14:02:50 dcordes_, I was doing some maths Jul 25 14:02:56 dito Jul 25 14:02:57 where was this initial promotion done? Jul 25 14:03:01 dcordes_, what did you said? Jul 25 14:03:02 my blog Jul 25 14:03:29 ok, well, we've got some minor issue with booting Jul 25 14:03:33 strange thing Jul 25 14:03:42 it seems to be a defconfig issue Jul 25 14:03:47 with mine it doesnt happen... Jul 25 14:04:02 it's the classic issue Jul 25 14:04:06 rootfs not found Jul 25 14:04:08 but Jul 25 14:04:11 the user don't know Jul 25 14:04:19 hmm Jul 25 14:04:25 because he has no frambuffer console or serial cable Jul 25 14:04:38 gnutoo: but why it does find it, when you boot with fastboot? Jul 25 14:04:53 multiples reason: Jul 25 14:04:54 gnutoo: libphone-ui-shr builds again? Jul 25 14:05:01 badly formated sdcard Jul 25 14:05:01 mrmoku, yes Jul 25 14:05:05 and similar issues Jul 25 14:05:16 sdcard not inserted Jul 25 14:05:24 sdcard badly inserted Jul 25 14:05:26 etc... Jul 25 14:05:43 good Jul 25 14:05:51 I'll think about making a video Jul 25 14:06:06 but I never made good videos Jul 25 14:06:14 I've only a poor webcam that works with a tripod Jul 25 14:06:19 gspcav1 Jul 25 14:06:22 gnutoo: nothing I didn't ask you already :) Jul 25 14:06:39 ok Jul 25 14:10:09 hmm Jul 25 14:10:13 talking about promotion Jul 25 14:10:28 I think everybody understood what I'm trying to say so I will stop now. the problem is I am used to work on such things with much more public attention. if you prefer waiting a long time for this it's up to you Jul 25 14:10:49 what about facebook app with quiz: "Which cornucopia daemon are you?" ;> Jul 25 14:11:10 lol Jul 25 14:11:17 or which SHR phone library ;D Jul 25 14:12:29 looking at all those facebook apps... something like that will be in tune with others ;) Jul 25 14:15:16 heyho Jul 25 14:17:20 mickey|zzZZzz: hi Jul 25 14:19:14 dos1, did you hear about the parody of the magazine "jeune et jolie" Jul 25 14:19:18 with: Jul 25 14:19:25 windows,j'arrete Jul 25 14:19:37 that is like Jul 25 14:19:54 windows,it's over I quit(like in I quit smoking) Jul 25 14:19:57 or: Jul 25 14:20:05 are you deb or rpm Jul 25 14:20:58 hmm, nope Jul 25 14:26:26 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rbb5abf045b18 10/org.freesmartphone.GSM/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: remove references to old ListPhonebooks method Jul 25 14:27:45 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r1908a63002c0 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): regen Jul 25 14:27:56 gnutoo: hi Jul 25 14:28:04 which OE package contains whish? Jul 25 14:28:07 uhm Jul 25 14:28:07 wish Jul 25 14:28:50 tk something probably Jul 25 14:29:19 tk Jul 25 14:29:20 hmm Jul 25 14:32:04 yes Jul 25 14:32:06 its tk Jul 25 14:41:29 i'm wondering if it is possible to generate a a valid mdbus query from specs, but i can't find busname and objectpath Jul 25 14:43:19 start with mdbus2 -s and then drill down. it will show everything you need to know Jul 25 14:44:39 * mrmoku moving to the garden Jul 25 14:48:43 mickey|zzZZzz, i would like to create a fake fso stack, that responds to every call but don't do anything Jul 25 14:49:23 hehe, my fso-ofono wrapper already seems to be more functional than original ofonod with AT modems :D Jul 25 14:50:15 fso-ofono ? it offer fso spec translated to ofono call, or the reverse ? Jul 25 14:50:45 misc: it exposes ofono API and uses FSO's one Jul 25 14:51:08 misc: so apps using ofono will be able to work with FSO daemons Jul 25 14:51:31 dos1: nice, but I always wondered if it would be a good move or not , kinda like OS/2 windows compatibility Jul 25 14:59:51 mickey|zzZZzz: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002166.html Jul 25 15:00:06 I still think there will be a native n900 modem driver... Jul 25 15:01:54 modem.conf in ofono has two sample entries for n900... one using maemo closed daemons (Driver=isimodem) and one without those daemons (Driver=n900modem) Jul 25 15:02:08 the driver itself is still missing though :/ Jul 25 15:07:30 ofono doesn't support delivery reports (in meaning: there is no way to get them from API nor save reference number of sent message), but you can select if you want to request them :D Jul 25 15:08:21 theirs voice calls api looks like our old ophoned Jul 25 15:09:27 i think source code of n900modem in ofono won't be really enough for us :( Jul 25 15:09:44 they have in their API only small subset of what we have in ogsmd Jul 25 15:10:11 dos1: how can I get delivery reports with SendStoredMessage API? Jul 25 15:10:42 dos1: I guess I should use some property but the API docs don't tell me which one Jul 25 15:11:43 lindi-: hmm, good question, ask mickey|zzZZzz Jul 25 15:11:58 lindi-: but with SMS.SendTextMessage you can request them for sure Jul 25 15:12:23 dos1: I did but he was zzZZzz Jul 25 15:12:35 the n900 modem do not respect the AT standard ? Jul 25 15:12:36 dos1: sure but I wanted to explicitely store and send them Jul 25 15:12:44 misc: AT is a horrible interface Jul 25 15:12:50 btw, mickey|zzZZzz, i found regression in new SMS API: there is no way to find out class of recievied SMS message Jul 25 15:39:53 hi folks Jul 25 15:42:44 I made a dice rolling soft for SHR, using python-elementary (and podboy as model). Jul 25 15:43:07 In order to create a shr package, are the following links still up to date ? Jul 25 15:43:08 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Packages Jul 25 15:43:16 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Jul 25 15:43:17 ? Jul 25 15:44:06 Xavier_OM: haven't looked carefully, but seems like yes Jul 25 15:45:44 Xavier_OM: but be aware that DEPENDS is for build time dependences, and RDEPENDS are for run-time Jul 25 15:48:18 ok thanks Jul 25 17:19:02 mrmoku, mickey|zzZZzz: fso-ofono already supports registering to network, sending pin, some info methods, SMS, and also has basic voice call support ;) Jul 25 17:20:39 i think i'll do now some caller ID visibility support, gprs and maybe call forwarding too and nothing more Jul 25 17:21:49 but it will be quite easly extendable in case someone will ever need something more Jul 25 17:22:36 but ATM fsogsmd+fso-ofono+AT modem has usable basics, which you can't say about ofonod+AT modem :P Jul 25 17:33:39 mrmoku, mickey|zzZZzz: /home/christ/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/ffmpeg-2_0.6+r15.2+svnr23733-r15.2/trunk/build.arm-oe-linux-gnueabi.arm-oe-linux-gnueabi/libswscale/libswscale.so: undefined reference to `av_bswap16' Jul 25 17:33:49 (while building SHR...) Jul 25 19:43:45 mickey|zzZZzz: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata is the thing responsible for audio routing on GSM calls Jul 25 19:43:56 and an appropriate pa module is here http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego Jul 25 19:51:25 hi mickey|zzZZzz Jul 25 20:12:36 Any 1337 hacers still awake in here? Jul 25 20:13:13 yes Jul 25 20:13:19 I'm still awake Jul 25 20:13:39 the usual rule is to ask directly the question Jul 25 20:14:39 I know, but it has been _very_ quiet the last hours... Jul 25 20:14:59 Anyway: libswscale.so: undefined reference to `av_bswap16' Jul 25 20:15:13 Any idea what library might be missing? Jul 25 20:15:52 ChristW|afk: use grep to find out what library contains that? Jul 25 20:16:50 Looks like ffmpeg. Jul 25 20:22:29 ChristW|afk: no idea... Jul 25 20:25:02 I installed libav... and ffmpeg, and it now seems to continue building. Jul 25 20:25:20 I;ll see when I hit the next library I missed... Jul 25 20:25:29 Thanks again, so far, and good night! Jul 25 20:44:17 mickey|zzZZzz: releasing / rerequesting GSM works fine now... thanks :D Jul 25 20:46:53 mickey|zzZZzz: CFUN=4 and then CFUN=1 does not yet though Jul 25 20:46:59 2010-07-25T20:45:30.415625Z [DEBUG] FsoGsmGenericWatchDog : onModemStatusChange FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_ALIVE_REGISTERED -> FSO_GSM_MODEM_STATUS_ALIVE_REGISTERED Jul 25 20:47:06 and thus probably not camping the net Jul 25 21:02:32 mickey|zzZZzz: created http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/580 for that Jul 25 21:02:38 * mrmoku off to bed now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:24:03 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:16 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:26:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 00:28:15 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 26 02:59:57 2010