**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 10 02:59:58 2010 Aug 10 03:30:04 trev2: there's plenty of clueful guys at ##electronics Aug 10 03:30:52 trev2: depending on the schematics it might be possible to either increase the Tx power or to use better antennas etc. Aug 10 03:31:13 trev2: anyway, cables are much easier to get working. Aug 10 03:34:32 DocScrutinizer: Heh, new iptables release implements using LEDs as a target. Aug 10 03:34:58 huh? :-D Aug 10 03:35:55 funny stuff, but watchdog or timer or something like that would be much more useful Aug 10 03:36:22 something that would reset the suspend timeout Aug 10 03:36:44 so possibly d-bus sink Aug 10 03:37:44 DocScrutinizer: i think we discussed the necessity of LED target, but i'm not sure why we needed it. Aug 10 03:37:59 DocScrutinizer: ah, suspend timer Aug 10 03:38:10 that's such an incredibly stupid concept to suspend the device, when you start to compare it with zeroclock Aug 10 03:39:52 DocScrutinizer: for resetting the suspend timer one can use the ULOG target and a userspace daemon listening for netlink messages from the kernel. Moreover, fso already listens for some netlink. Aug 10 03:39:56 but when you really want to go (or have to) for suspend, then we need a means to postpone suspend until some certain network traffic is going idle Aug 10 03:41:31 we should even have a per app way to configure if the raffic is resetting suspend timer or not Aug 10 03:41:43 without hardcoding this to the app Aug 10 03:42:18 DocScrutinizer: iptables allows distinguishing by ports or even by UID/GID of the app (on the sending side). Aug 10 03:42:29 cool Aug 10 03:42:39 exactly what we need Aug 10 03:43:06 I guess there was a reason I suggested to have a timer-reset target in iptables Aug 10 03:44:23 Telephony still doesn't work reliably for me :/ Aug 10 03:44:37 this config probably should become a resource to allocate via FSO Aug 10 03:45:43 fsoraw -r eth0 Aug 10 03:46:59 So requesting resource would need an additional parameter: PID of the process. But it works only for outgoing traffic anyway. Aug 10 03:47:31 eth0 = |IP[:iptables-mask] Aug 10 03:47:59 PID is known by d-bus Aug 10 03:48:53 i thought about the process's pid, not about fsoraw's. But now i see that would work as well. Aug 10 03:50:23 Hm, no Aug 10 03:50:23 It's not fsoraw that sends network traffic. Aug 10 03:50:34 btw didn't know you have to wake up THAT early :-D Aug 10 03:50:40 oops Aug 10 04:31:36 yes, it's not fsoraw to send IP traffic, but you can find the one process that has fsoraw as PPID Aug 10 05:43:13 DocScrutinizer: i wonder if anyone really needs that functionality. Because i assume if it was needed, someone'd have already implemented an ad-hoc solution. Aug 10 05:44:40 hmm, probably nobody did things like running xchat with ultrashort suspend timeout (except me) Aug 10 05:45:52 it's really annoying when despite a vivid discussion going on, the device suspends every 15s, just to wake up again immediately Aug 10 05:49:46 DocScrutinizer: hmm Aug 10 05:49:53 DocScrutinizer: I use gprs and xchat Aug 10 05:50:05 DocScrutinizer: but i don't use automatic suspend on idle Aug 10 05:50:21 that's exactly the point Aug 10 05:50:29 maybe I should investigate that Aug 10 05:50:43 it'll just be an extra suspend option to keep gprs on (currently I always stop it) Aug 10 05:51:47 DocScrutinizer: I have different ways to measure idleness to control LCD backlight though. cpu load and tracking of changes on screen for example Aug 10 05:52:11 (xdamage extension is an easy way to track screen contents changes) Aug 10 05:52:24 cool Aug 10 05:52:52 DocScrutinizer: doesn't IRC send periodic pings? Aug 10 05:52:58 yep Aug 10 05:53:16 every 2 min now, has been 10 iirc Aug 10 05:53:34 DocScrutinizer: I'm in three different IRC networks Aug 10 05:53:38 hmm, four Aug 10 05:53:57 hmm, maybe suspend gets a little nervous then Aug 10 05:54:12 maybe there's a bouncer that does not do pings? Aug 10 05:55:22 I planned to patch ZNC to do this (aLso filter out joins/quits and other crap, and buffering other msgs to go along with the needed pings for NAT keepalive) Aug 10 05:55:26 ZNC? Aug 10 05:55:32 znc Aug 10 05:55:38 ah znc - an advanced IRC bouncer Aug 10 05:56:00 I fortunately don't have NAT to worry about with gprs Aug 10 05:56:09 sure?? Aug 10 05:56:11 yep Aug 10 05:56:16 weird Aug 10 05:56:50 who'd want to expose GPRS to general inetrnet with all the rubbish homing in Aug 10 05:56:50 so yes the bouncer should support some sort of triggers Aug 10 05:57:26 so that for example when your nick name is mentioned it'd send data and then send the full history that has happened during suspend? Aug 10 05:57:27 mhm, like highlight, CTCP, and some other stuff Aug 10 05:57:42 yes Aug 10 05:57:44 i'm afraid the full history could be too large Aug 10 05:57:51 I'm also on > 50 channels :) Aug 10 05:57:59 omfg Aug 10 05:58:04 maybe some lzma is needed Aug 10 05:59:07 nah, how much could that be? not more than a few 100k Aug 10 06:00:00 still compression is a nice idea, for version 1.2 Aug 10 06:01:09 1155229 on a random day, 48k in an hour Aug 10 06:01:29 should be manageable with compression Aug 10 06:01:43 you'll probably see more frequent wakeups than once a day Aug 10 06:02:55 the nice thing about bouncers is they don't need special clients Aug 10 06:03:20 DocScrutinizer: you probably need some special support here to configure the trigger conditions though? Aug 10 06:03:37 somebody used something that was bouncer incl proprietary interface to a proprietary client GUI Aug 10 06:04:12 lindi-: nah, ZNC does all sorts of config by /query *status Aug 10 06:04:18 ok Aug 10 06:04:47 DocScrutinizer: can you use ssh to connect to ZNC? Aug 10 06:04:51 also has a web config, but I never checked that Aug 10 06:05:02 I'd think yes Aug 10 06:05:07 not sure about it Aug 10 06:05:24 err ssh?? Aug 10 06:05:44 ssl you mean? Aug 10 06:05:49 the problem with irssi proxy is that it insists on listening on a tcp port. you can forward that with ssh but the port will still collide with other people in the system Aug 10 06:05:56 no ssh Aug 10 06:06:13 with irssi proxy I use ssh and port forwarding to tunnel traffic to the proxy Aug 10 06:06:16 no idea Aug 10 06:06:26 I really don't want to expose any new services to internet Aug 10 06:08:54 anyway keep away from znc *routing plugin - it segfaults Aug 10 06:09:13 ctcprouting or whatever was the name Aug 10 07:23:39 someone using jeflinks for IM? Aug 10 07:23:56 can we replace pidgin with it in full image? Aug 10 07:24:07 while building pidgin as part of feed? Aug 10 07:24:18 doesn't seem to be in debian Aug 10 07:24:37 http://sourceforge.net/projects/jefliks/ Aug 10 07:25:28 lindi-: it's efl based so it fit into shr images more than gtk/ncurses based pidgin/finch Aug 10 07:25:53 version 0.0.2? Aug 10 07:26:06 not in fedora either? Aug 10 07:26:26 JaMa|Wrk: is the only goal to avoid using SD? Aug 10 07:26:40 and not touched since 2010-02.. Aug 10 07:26:53 the files section has only binaries Aug 10 07:27:27 there is git repo Aug 10 07:28:18 SD? you mean to build smaller images suitable for NAND? no.. I was just asking if jeflinks is as usable as pidgin (because I never used any of those on FR) Aug 10 07:29:19 JaMa|Wrk: ah but you said "fit into shr images" Aug 10 07:30:17 lindi-: and I meant it because of most of SHR apps are EFL based.. so to keep UI unified where possible jeflinks should be better Aug 10 07:30:50 maybe that's why SHR does not really impress me :) Aug 10 07:31:30 and that's why linux gives you so many options :) Aug 10 07:36:16 JaMa|Wrk: I've used pidgin. As you'd expect it's not always coping well with the small screen. Aug 10 07:36:40 dunno about jefliks Aug 10 07:37:17 but web says jefliks is for xmpp only; pidgin has plenty of protocols Aug 10 07:37:44 zub: pidgin will be still available in feeds Aug 10 07:37:53 zub: only not installed by default in full image Aug 10 07:41:20 well, I'm ok with that; I'm using lite anyway. dunno about others though Aug 10 07:56:27 morning moku Aug 10 08:09:45 I just did a git pull in OE and ended up with conflicts in files I have not touched. (slugos.inc, maxima_5.21.1.bb, task-shr-feed.bb, uclibc_git.bb) Aug 10 08:09:57 any idea on how could this have happened? Aug 10 08:10:25 I would try rebase -i and check what you have there.. Aug 10 08:11:38 ok, thx Aug 10 08:11:59 I first have to chew the man page, never used git rebase Aug 10 08:12:53 yup, better to read it first as this will rewrite your git history and you can accidentaly remove your older commits with it.. Aug 10 08:24:07 Hello all, I had a long look at using bitbake collections to do a local build of code so that I could start to play and perhaps even contribute but it failed at the end of it all. Can't see how to do anything with out local builds. At present my Contacts won't even start and I wanted to find out why. Aug 10 08:59:07 hi is there a release for SHR stable / first milestone? Aug 10 09:00:49 nno Aug 10 09:01:48 is it true that builds from a local source don't work at the moment with SHR? Aug 10 09:02:05 zub: mrmoku and Arigead say so Aug 10 09:02:24 too bad Aug 10 09:03:13 I'm certainly not an authority on the subject but I was trying and failing miserably Aug 10 09:04:53 zub: for sure they don't work... I traced it in to base.bbclass by spreading loggers around... had a hack to make them work again Aug 10 09:05:08 until I changed disks and did not backup my oe dir :/ Aug 10 09:06:02 in my experience, the second (or even third :) time you write some code, it's usually better than the 1st :-P Aug 10 09:06:08 :P Aug 10 09:06:37 zub: let me take a look at that class to see if there are some memories left ;) Aug 10 09:07:59 someone know if they will use a normal or a debug kernel after milestone one. because of the speed Aug 10 09:08:30 in shr Aug 10 09:09:56 zub: I think it was base.bbclass line 241 Aug 10 09:11:31 in oe_unpack_file? Aug 10 09:11:46 if os.path.exists(dest): Aug 10 09:14:51 blah, I'm just facing the --no-add-needed thing that was discussed here yesterday Aug 10 09:26:13 zub: hehe Aug 10 09:26:45 zub: file and dest point to the same path and thus it does not unpack anything Aug 10 09:28:23 zub: the real problem was a bit more up Aug 10 09:28:40 in elif os.path.isdir(file) Aug 10 09:29:31 JaMa|Wrk: btw. build failed with tcl/tk and nano Aug 10 09:30:16 | /bin/sh: line 2: tclsh: command not found Aug 10 09:31:12 mrmoku: just restart build for tcl/tk issue Aug 10 09:31:31 mrmoku: I think that tcl is not staged before tk is built Aug 10 09:31:58 and nano: Aug 10 09:31:58 | /usr/include/ncursesw/ncurses.h:66:34: fatal error: ncursesw/ncurses_dll.h: No such file or directory Aug 10 09:33:27 mrmoku: check my reply to ncurses_5.7 commit, there is more problems with ncurses (finch in pidgin) Aug 10 09:33:49 ok Aug 10 09:34:56 feed almost built NOTE: Running task 11036 of 16666 Aug 10 09:35:53 just running 'bitbake tk' did work Aug 10 09:36:23 * JaMa|Wrk trying nano after his change to ncurses recipe Aug 10 09:36:45 and it didn't help here Aug 10 09:38:13 die die nano! Aug 10 09:38:45 (joking, i only wish it disappear from the default install of every sane distro ;) ) Aug 10 09:39:08 :) Aug 10 09:40:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_mononoke good movie, proving that wishing someone to die doesn't do any good... Aug 10 09:41:38 the mathematician in me wants to say it's probably not a proof :-P Aug 10 09:42:10 zub: of course it's not Aug 10 09:42:42 zub: good art can make you "believe" anything Aug 10 09:43:13 mrmoku: but in both cases nano tries to use system ncurses :/ Aug 10 09:43:30 Of course it's not a proof, just a feeling, and sometimes it can be very wrong. Aug 10 09:43:58 Have you seen von Trier's Antichrist? Aug 10 09:44:03 JaMa|Wrk: hmm :/ Aug 10 09:44:08 Did you feel like he "has a point"? Aug 10 09:44:17 haven't seen it Aug 10 10:50:05 PaulFertser: I saw it Aug 10 10:50:15 didn't think he did Aug 10 10:50:22 what was your impression? Aug 10 10:50:55 to me it began as a psychological drama and then quickly turned into a quasi sexual horror film Aug 10 11:05:07 badcloud: to me it felt like he indeed managed to present a quite convincing "truth". Aug 10 11:07:36 badcloud: i mean art has a force to convince. It's not proving anything but it feels like it. Aug 10 11:12:04 PaulFertser: I see your point Aug 10 11:12:53 but I felt like the truth he may have been trying to convey was distorted by the amount of mysticism he used Aug 10 11:13:51 also, the graphic content may have blindsided viewers to think that *that* was the movie's focal concern Aug 10 11:14:16 unbarred graphically detailed sexual violence Aug 10 11:20:44 badcloud: that's part of the contemporary art's language... Aug 10 11:23:19 badcloud: also it's some kind of brute force: it's easier to convince some people while they're shocked. Aug 10 11:23:52 badcloud: and all that content is not that shocking to a modern viewer anyway, at least not for the target audience. Aug 10 12:13:33 mrmoku: pushing fixed nano Aug 10 12:15:02 JaMa|Wrk: great :) Aug 10 12:33:42 PaulFertser: good point Aug 10 13:08:23 syncing to publid feed! :) Aug 10 13:10:41 JaMa|Wrk: will it make my neo explode now ?:) Aug 10 13:10:51 probably Aug 10 13:10:56 \o/ :) Aug 10 13:11:37 but it's mostly just rebuild.. only few small changes of opkg upgrade.. Aug 10 13:13:27 mhm, my neo wasn't upgraded for about a mont so there will be some changes.. Aug 10 13:26:11 * JaMa|Wrk still opkg upgrading :) Aug 10 13:27:07 mrmoku: ping Aug 10 13:27:24 85 upgrades for lite image.. but mostly just PR bumps.. Aug 10 13:27:28 because of libjpeg Aug 10 13:43:15 onen|openBmap: pong Aug 10 13:46:45 grrr /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Aug 10 13:48:08 /bin/bash is fscked after opkg upgrade! Aug 10 13:53:13 needs opkg install libncurses5 manually (because bash version wasn't changed..) Aug 10 15:36:59 mrmoku: I am about to reflash my phone. Should I take unsta Aug 10 15:37:09 mrmoku: ble or is testing a better choice? Aug 10 15:38:28 onen|openBmap: if you have some amount of time in case you would need to fix something, then unstable Aug 10 15:38:46 dos1: hi, wassup? Aug 10 15:39:11 dos1: I want to fix 2 issues with obm client, coming from fso API changes Aug 10 15:39:11 it's shouldn't be broken really hard right now ;) Aug 10 15:39:35 onen|openBmap: hi, did you know that you could ( in france ) request the position of gsm antenna ? Aug 10 15:39:41 dos1: I usually don't upgrade (it never worked for me, not event once :-( ) Aug 10 15:39:51 ( someone told me, but I fogot the anem of who give them, nor did i checked ) Aug 10 15:40:05 onen|openBmap: well, testing is really really old ATM Aug 10 15:40:26 onen|openBmap: so if you want to work on obm, then i think unstable is the only way to go Aug 10 15:40:30 dos1: so I need something stable enough to use the obm client, but which embeds fso api new enough to have these changes Aug 10 15:40:42 onen|openBmap: you need shr-u for current fso api I think Aug 10 15:40:50 dunno what fsogsmd testing has... Aug 10 15:40:58 dos1: ok. I wasn't sure if testing got a lifting lately ;-) Aug 10 15:41:03 and it is stable enough :) Aug 10 15:41:05 (IMHO) Aug 10 15:41:39 mrmoku: dos1: ok. Then unstable be it will Aug 10 15:41:59 * onen|openBmap feels like a small green master Aug 10 15:42:58 general question, about hardware. do we foresee another phone (Dream, Pre, ...) becoming stable enough to see shr running fine on top of it? Aug 10 15:45:34 onen|openBmap: ask GNUtoo and leviathat about HTC Dream and morphis about Palm Pre Aug 10 15:45:46 s/leviathat/leviathan/ Aug 10 15:45:46 dos1 meant: onen|openBmap: ask GNUtoo and leviathan about HTC Dream and morphis about Palm Pre Aug 10 15:46:12 we're also looking at N900 :) Aug 10 15:46:37 dos1: ok. thanks Aug 10 15:47:30 dos1: I finlally gave up n900 for now. Nokia is very unclear about governance, as a hacker platform, or as something more mainstream, it does not fit Aug 10 15:47:31 * mrmoku is waiting to finally look at it ;) Aug 10 15:47:52 dos1: I mean, as software platform (maemo, or meego). hardware is something else Aug 10 15:48:05 getting excited every time the doorbell rings :P Aug 10 15:48:18 onen|openBmap: we're only interested in the hardware :) Aug 10 15:48:24 mrmoku: indeed Aug 10 15:48:28 mrmoku: b Aug 10 15:49:06 mrmoku: but as long as I don't have a working platform with support (would it be community based, would be fine), I am reluctant. Aug 10 15:49:30 mrmoku: months and months of openmoko following made me suspicious Aug 10 15:49:55 mrmoku: I want to have something which works fine for all "basic" stuff Aug 10 15:49:57 onen|openBmap: sure, but we have the hope to be able to run FSO/SHR on it Aug 10 15:50:58 mrmoku: I understand. And I hope you make it run. I would then reconsider getting one. We have different priorities for our needs list ;-) Aug 10 15:52:10 mrmoku: I don t know enough the inner parts, but I have been wondering why no SHR on top of dream/magic/n1/n900, as community images of different OSes are provided for it. I guess, some binary blobs under the hood which make it difficult to port? Aug 10 15:53:11 onen|openBmap: yeah, mostly binary blobs I think... but with meego one after the other are getting opened up Aug 10 15:53:43 mrmoku: anyway, I am about to go for an android for everyday life, with community based system upgrades, and I will see if apps in the market are necessary to me, or just futile Aug 10 15:53:45 onen|openBmap: for dream and pre that is had reveng work Aug 10 15:54:00 +r Aug 10 15:54:52 brb Aug 10 15:55:02 mrmoku: but I already miss a phone with only free software, as with a community repository as with maemo Aug 10 15:57:05 mrmoku: but for now I think android will fit me for everyday life, and I will follow nokia's path, but will stop waiting for them to do steps. As they already did some misteps :-S Aug 10 15:58:28 mrmoku: but it is good to hear that meego makes it easier to port on n900 Aug 10 16:14:51 onen|openBmap: yeah... we should talk again in about three or four months :) Aug 10 16:15:17 * onen|openBmap crosses his fingers, as always Aug 10 16:16:06 mrmoku: let's see the next meego release, plus nokia sumit, together with possible meego based new phone for end of the year... Aug 10 16:16:47 * mrmoku is optimistic as always :-) Aug 10 16:19:44 :) Aug 10 16:19:49 hm.. Aug 10 17:05:44 onen|openBmap: public shr-t doesn't have fsogsmd at all, testing version of next shr-t has it new enough, but better go with shr-u Aug 10 17:07:33 and if you want full image I'll sync it really soon NOTE: Running task 18478 of 18583 Aug 10 17:10:17 JaMa: do you have any idea about how many people actually using the latest FSO for everyday telephony needs? Aug 10 17:11:17 Because i'm fucking dissatisfied with the stability again. Aug 10 17:11:29 And somehow i manage to not do any bugreports even. Aug 10 17:11:38 Probably not dissatisfied enough :) Aug 10 17:12:38 PaulFertser: no idea.. I'm not using it as daily phone.. or even weekly Aug 10 17:21:24 JaMa: thanks. I have flashed it with full image+kernel from 4th august Aug 10 17:22:02 JaMa: as long as it allows me to user obm client, and has the new apis, so as to do something useful (fixing my client) during my holidays, it is good enough Aug 10 17:24:03 onen|openBmap: today image would be much better.. but ok.. Aug 10 17:24:15 JaMa: :D Aug 10 17:24:23 JaMa: when will it be ready Aug 10 17:24:30 JaMa: I could reflash it later today Aug 10 17:24:32 onen|openBmap: rather don't opkg upgrade before leaving or check ncurses after opkg upgrade Aug 10 17:24:47 maybe 5 minutes Aug 10 17:25:02 * JaMa sucks in estimating buildhost slowness Aug 10 17:25:08 JaMa: ok. then I will reflash it. I wait for your sign Aug 10 17:25:13 it always surprises me how slow it can be :) Aug 10 17:26:30 JaMa: mrmoku: full image from the 4th does not seem to work for me anyway. booting keeps displaying messages about alignment and trap, etc. Aug 10 17:26:53 onen|openBmap: alignment traps are known and "harmless" Aug 10 17:27:17 onen|openBmap: just disable logging it if it annoys you in dmesg Aug 10 17:27:21 JaMa: ok good. I was not surprised the first 5 minutes. Then I turned to surprise ;-) Aug 10 17:29:22 and traps will be still in todays images :/ Aug 10 17:33:09 JaMa: it just stopped. And now go through wizard Aug 10 17:33:20 what are illume 1 and 2 shr profiles? Aug 10 17:34:44 illume2 is new and easier to customize version of old illume1 Aug 10 17:34:50 preferred by most SHR devs Aug 10 17:35:43 JaMa, you make it sound like if it's ok to use illume1 Aug 10 17:35:52 onen|openBmap, illume 1 sucks and deprecated Aug 10 17:36:05 don't use it. Aug 10 17:36:06 TAsn: ok. thanks Aug 10 17:36:19 onen|openBmap, illume1 has not been developed for a year now iirc Aug 10 17:36:23 including bug fixes. Aug 10 17:37:02 TAsn: well illume1 should still work somehow and I said that illume2 is preferred :) Aug 10 17:37:15 JaMa, illume1 should work great. Aug 10 17:37:24 with that being said, it sucks. Aug 10 17:37:36 TAsn: and to fix obm client it's not important illume1/2 Aug 10 17:38:08 but you don't want him to think shr sucks :P Aug 10 17:38:16 illume shr 2 seems very nice. with unlocking slider and everything Aug 10 17:38:29 it seems I have been away for quite a long time1 Aug 10 17:38:36 onen|openBmap, lol, you have. Aug 10 17:38:40 So have I btw. :( Aug 10 17:39:15 TAsn: but without you, thing haven't moved much :) Aug 10 17:39:47 JaMa, Yeah, I guess I owe it to the community to do some awesome stuff. Aug 10 17:40:06 JaMa, I committed cool stuff to evas yesterday :) Aug 10 17:40:16 Should make hebrew/arabic support awesome. Aug 10 17:40:49 TAsn: are the unstable images in good shape e.g. does gps work again, is calling and messaging stable? Aug 10 17:40:49 * JaMa checking Aug 10 17:41:58 bumbl_, you should ask JaMa, I honestly don't know. Aug 10 17:42:05 k Aug 10 17:42:10 JaMa: ? ;) Aug 10 17:42:46 gps always worked Aug 10 17:42:59 and calling/messages are as stable as in previous images Aug 10 17:43:24 onen|openBmap: full images ready Aug 10 17:43:37 JaMa: can you keep gps on during suspend? Aug 10 17:43:57 lindi-: haven't tried Aug 10 17:44:09 JaMa: thanks. I don't have much time though. I don't want to fall into a last minute bug. I let you try flashing first :P Aug 10 17:45:02 onen|openBmap: ok.. rebooting my neo for flashing :) Aug 10 17:45:25 JaMa: gps didn't work for the new kernel Aug 10 17:45:44 (on resume) Aug 10 17:46:07 bumbl_: someone reported that this happens only with u-boot and not with Qi Aug 10 17:46:43 JaMa: sorry but I think I will run out of time tonight to reflas Aug 10 17:46:53 JaMa: this should not be a problem anyway Aug 10 17:47:00 JaMa: for my work Aug 10 17:47:06 JaMa: thanks for the help Aug 10 17:47:37 no problem Aug 10 18:00:32 PaulFertser: /me switched to HTC Desire as a daily phone... Aug 10 18:02:29 * JaMa switched to nokia from work with 3 times more free minutes than I usually use.. Aug 10 18:02:37 Q-Master: without free software it worth nothing for me Aug 10 18:03:01 PaulFertser: hehe. it's almost free here... Aug 10 18:03:25 * Q-Master don't like nokia Aug 10 18:12:52 PaulFertser: I'm just a low volume user... but I use it as only and daily phone Aug 10 18:13:07 PaulFertser: what kind of instabilities do you experience? Aug 10 18:13:35 mrmoku: sudden "cant do this or that while the modem is in SUSPENDING/RESUMING/CLOSED state" Aug 10 18:14:28 PaulFertser: hmm... I don't see that Aug 10 18:14:41 mrmoku: do you suspend often? Aug 10 18:14:54 mrmoku: how many calls/messages a day do you have? Aug 10 18:14:58 PaulFertser: it is suspended most of the time Aug 10 18:15:08 PaulFertser: between 0.5 and 1.5 calls I guess :P Aug 10 18:15:11 I guess it's quantity that matters Aug 10 18:15:12 low volume ;) Aug 10 18:15:44 + 2 or 3 test calls to see if it works... which I don't respond to though Aug 10 18:16:22 I usually inquiry balans for that Aug 10 18:19:01 PaulFertser: balans? Aug 10 18:19:16 ahh... prepaid balance? Aug 10 18:19:38 * mrmoku does not have prepaid... Aug 10 18:20:29 mrmoku: yep Aug 10 18:20:56 good full image booted and works Aug 10 18:22:03 JaMa: updated bash is there too? Aug 10 18:22:19 mrmoku: even our gas stations are "prepaid": you go and pay first, then you get the gas. Aug 10 18:22:34 PaulFertser: heh :P Aug 10 18:23:08 PaulFertser: just heat and smog you get for nothing :/ Aug 10 18:23:29 mrmoku: that sucks when you want a tankfull, as you first pay more than you need, then after you filled the tank you return and get the change. Aug 10 18:23:43 mrmoku: updated wrt ncurses dependency? Aug 10 18:23:50 JaMa: yep Aug 10 18:24:24 PaulFertser: or you don't prepay enough to fully fill it Aug 10 18:24:49 mrmoku: this is reflashed image, so it's right.. on old image you need -force-reinstall to fix it or install libncurses manually Aug 10 18:25:07 mrmoku: exactly Aug 10 18:25:17 JaMa: ok Aug 10 18:26:28 mrmoku: btw "new" bash is linked only agains libtinfo.so.5 => /usr/lib/libtinfo.so.5 (0x40024000) Aug 10 18:26:59 mrmoku: so to fix "old" bash you have to install libncurses and for new is libtinfo package enough and already installed Aug 10 18:28:19 test call and test sms both OK.. so now reflashing spitz with SHR :) Aug 10 18:28:36 * mrmoku opkg upgrades Aug 10 18:32:29 and after trying those gry theme updates from patchwork I'll push those too Aug 10 18:33:38 SHR: 03mail 07shr-themes * r7218f7db4251 10/elementary/elementary-theme-gry/gry.edc: gry-theme: sync the entry theme against upstream Aug 10 18:33:40 SHR: 03mail 07shr-themes * r4f5676535e36 10/elementary/elementary-theme-gry/ (gry.edc outdent-bottom.png outdent-top.png): gry-theme: added outdent top-bottom frame images Aug 10 18:33:41 SHR: 03mail 07shr-themes * r5c456822d324 10/elementary/elementary-theme-gry/gry.edc: gry-theme: Make clock set mode consistent with spinners Clock spinners now changes the clock value Aug 10 18:33:43 SHR: 03mail 07shr-themes * r9751e05948e3 10/elementary/elementary-theme-gry/gry.edc: gry theme: Let the user choose what digits of the clock are editable. signed of: Rafael "15 years of experience" Fonseca. Aug 10 19:20:30 PaulFertser: one thing that is broken for me is time syncing... it is 22 minutes off Aug 10 19:20:48 PaulFertser: though time in fsotdld.log is correct Aug 10 19:20:55 2010-08-10T19:34:58.151871Z [INFO] SourceNtp <64.73.32.134>: NTP: 2010-07-10 19:12:31.3951 UTC Aug 10 19:21:01 mrmoku: i didn't get it running, so can't comment :) Aug 10 19:21:09 PaulFertser: no? Aug 10 19:21:17 mickeyl: any idea about that one ^^^^ Aug 10 19:21:53 mrmoku: never really tried as i have more important problems with FR. Aug 10 19:25:30 PaulFertser: well, it works out of the box for me Aug 10 20:01:18 Which contacts_default_backend and messages_default_backend work right now? Aug 10 20:03:43 mickeyl: adjtime does not work... if I manually set the time off to something that adjtime does not accept setting the time works Aug 10 20:08:06 thrashold: there is no such thing as backends in opimd right now Aug 10 20:09:33 Hm, so the configuration doesn't matter in most recent versions? Since when? Aug 10 20:11:22 thrashold: for already quite long time Aug 10 20:12:40 O Aug 10 20:12:53 I'm not sure my version of framework/opimd/stuff is that new. Aug 10 20:14:25 thrashold: c3d4aeb9d43db7b8decbca003c4ddfdebd050b9a from 2010-03-08 Aug 10 20:15:02 5 months old... Aug 10 20:15:02 thrashold: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Types org.freesmartphone.PIM.Types.List Aug 10 20:15:45 mrmoku: Thanks :) I think I see why my configuration changes haven't had any effect for months :) Aug 10 20:16:07 thrashold: oh, nvm, this method was already there before those changes ;] Aug 10 20:16:21 (introduced shortly before, but still before ;D) Aug 10 20:16:38 Well, I'm using a commit from April, so... Thanks :) Aug 10 20:18:00 If you tell me which method I need to input my contacts, so that I can copy my old contacts from my other phone? If you recall, I'll look it up myself otherwise :) Aug 10 20:19:43 mrmoku: have you already fixed a segfault in phoneui? Aug 10 20:21:00 <[Rui]> hi all Aug 10 20:35:47 Q-Master: no... for two reasons Aug 10 20:36:00 a) I cannot do local builds right now Aug 10 20:36:19 b) I don't have that segfault.... remember I had it in the past though Aug 10 21:05:01 hello, i have a problem compiling shr-unstable image, the build returns with error code but the script says that 0 packets failed Aug 10 21:05:25 here is the output http://norman-schleicher.de/hudson/job/shr-unstable-image/14/console Aug 10 21:09:02 JaMa: ello, i have a problem compiling shr-unstable image, the build returns with error code but the script says that 0 packets failed Aug 10 21:09:27 JaMa: here is the output http://norman-schleicher.de/hudson/job/shr-unstable-image/14/console **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010