**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 30 02:59:57 2010 Aug 30 09:53:55 Hello all, quick question. I'm trying to build Asterisk from shr-unstable tree and fail in the configure stage with the error: "checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... no" I'm on an ubuntu system and had thought that termcap was part of libncurses-dev which I have installed. Anybody know what I'm missing on my host? Aug 30 09:54:45 Arigead: seems that termcap is not containing tgetent func. Aug 30 09:56:29 Q-Master: Thanks I'll try to reinstall libncurses. Aug 30 09:56:49 * Q-Master doubts that this will help Aug 30 09:57:53 :-( Aug 30 09:59:31 check the config.log Aug 30 10:05:12 mrmoku|away, JaMa|GoNe, PaulF: have you already got your N900? Aug 30 10:05:28 DocScrutinizer: ^^^ Aug 30 10:05:44 dos1: heh :) Aug 30 10:06:00 * soltys will order his n900 in the evening Aug 30 10:06:03 ;) Aug 30 10:06:29 soltys: i'm wondering if sticker from DHL left on my doors is about N900 or something else i don't know about :P Aug 30 10:06:52 dos1: it's N900 Aug 30 10:07:14 mickey is already smiling Aug 30 10:07:20 dos1: ;> Aug 30 10:07:23 :D Aug 30 10:07:28 dos1: call them and ask Aug 30 10:07:35 DocScrutinizer: thanks, so i'm smiling too :D Aug 30 10:07:38 * Wonka wants one tooo Aug 30 10:08:24 soltys: i called them and they will try to deliver it again in 3 hours :P Aug 30 10:08:32 I'm really hoping for PaulF, as there's incrediblly annoing obstacles with shipping to .ru Aug 30 10:08:37 dos1: lucky you ;) Aug 30 10:09:05 soltys: they left it at 10:30, but i've just returned to home ;x Aug 30 10:09:12 :) Aug 30 10:12:53 *hrmf* should I bid on on ebay for an N900 offered as used, but ok for currently 1EUR? Aug 30 10:15:50 Wonka: well, if you want it, then why not? :D Aug 30 10:17:09 dos1: because I might get nothing, or a DOA, or something Aug 30 10:17:16 good morning... Aug 30 10:18:02 Wonka: but 1EUR for even totally bricked device is acceptable price IMO :D Aug 30 10:18:03 Wonka: of course if noone else will bid too, which is unlikely ;] Aug 30 10:19:08 yeah, I'll put my esniper to it... Aug 30 10:22:46 <[Rui]> hi gtk stuff seems a bit borked, font-wise! Aug 30 10:33:04 <[Rui]> ok... after boot, pings, opens ssh socket, but doesn't fork Aug 30 10:42:25 * mickey|zzZZzz got some nice package from DHL, but is superbusy so he can't even play with the stuff :/ Aug 30 10:43:14 mickey|zzZZzz, hi did you get my mails? Aug 30 10:43:32 yes Aug 30 10:43:52 mickey|zzZZzz, news: compat-wireless has been ported to 2.6.24 Aug 30 10:44:12 should be good for the pre Aug 30 10:44:18 indeed Aug 30 10:44:58 <[Rui]> oh ho... shr-wizard is borked!? Aug 30 10:45:22 <[Rui]> reflashed and now it won't go any further than "Local numbers settings" Aug 30 10:46:13 mickey|zzZZzz, can I PM you? Aug 30 10:46:29 i'll be quick Aug 30 10:46:56 hmm,yo Aug 30 10:51:13 mickey|zzZZzz, btw I've huge oe issues Aug 30 10:51:28 *gpsd require to put every packages in machine arch Aug 30 10:51:40 *gtk-immodule-xim doesn't work as expected Aug 30 10:51:42 so for gpsd Aug 30 10:51:58 I could add gpgga support to fsotdlt or use ogpsd Aug 30 10:52:06 if I do: Aug 30 10:52:06 gps Aug 30 10:52:10 and then use ogpsd Aug 30 10:52:16 I've some errors such as: Aug 30 10:52:27 (as you know python but not ogpsd) Aug 30 10:53:06 2010.08.30 12:50:36.7 ogpsd ERROR Line: ['GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,', '6'] Aug 30 10:53:06 2010.08.30 12:50:36.18 ogpsd ERROR Error in processGPGGA method: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' Aug 30 10:53:27 I've tried a try/except Aug 30 10:53:49 and it made the ogpsd node disappear Aug 30 10:54:12 by nodes I mean dbus nodes Aug 30 10:54:21 oh my. Daniel told me the NMEA part was not the most robust, since he focused on UBLOX. If you really are interested in working on that how about the following plan: I add some more NMEA sentences to fsotdld and you add the things that fso-gpsd does to fsotdld? Aug 30 10:54:27 then we both have something we can use :) Aug 30 10:54:39 that sounds good Aug 30 10:54:45 add GPGGA Aug 30 10:54:59 the thing for the fix and location Aug 30 10:55:24 I've some questions about fsotdld Aug 30 10:55:30 does it export to gypsy? Aug 30 10:55:37 what does it export? Aug 30 10:55:40 no. and will never. Aug 30 10:55:46 guys the shutdown method of ousaged doesn't work the first time Aug 30 10:55:52 and also most important: will you use geoclue? Aug 30 10:55:55 gets dbus timeout... a second attempt works Aug 30 10:56:06 right now it only exports to internal signals to make the time sync work Aug 30 10:56:14 ah ok Aug 30 10:56:19 since i didn't have a chance to create a good dbus API yet for location Aug 30 10:56:33 mickey|zzZZzz, export something like gpsd and use geoclue Aug 30 10:56:49 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue Aug 30 10:56:54 i know geoclue Aug 30 10:57:03 i'm hesitant because we ran into a deadend with gypsy already Aug 30 10:57:14 dunno whether i want to try another API and run into the next deadend Aug 30 10:57:44 but anyways, dbus APIs are relatively cheap, so we can support more than one, if we want. adding gpsd support is more work Aug 30 10:57:48 hmm, why not just add the missing features to gpsd and use that? Aug 30 10:58:16 mickey|zzZZzz, ah ok Aug 30 10:58:28 that would mean introducing a new DBus API to gpsd Aug 30 10:58:32 and they don't want that Aug 30 10:58:37 that's easy Aug 30 10:58:38 given that they ripped it out now Aug 30 10:58:48 that's really easy Aug 30 10:58:51 just install gpsd Aug 30 10:58:55 and install geoclue Aug 30 10:59:06 and you've got a dbus api Aug 30 10:59:10 and a gpsd api Aug 30 10:59:12 ya Aug 30 10:59:13 some random API Aug 30 10:59:20 i'm not convinced yet Aug 30 10:59:26 but i will take a look Aug 30 10:59:35 thanks a lot Aug 30 10:59:40 all desktop will go geoclue Aug 30 11:00:14 and maybe meego Aug 30 11:00:18 well, gypsy was the new hotness some years ago Aug 30 11:00:22 and look what it has become Aug 30 11:00:31 anyone using something is not an argument for me any longer Aug 30 11:00:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoClue Aug 30 11:01:19 GeoClue ships in several popular Linux distributions including Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora. It is also the positioning service of the MeeGo mobile Linux distribution[1] Aug 30 11:01:39 I don't see why introducing a new API would be better Aug 30 11:01:51 mickey|zzZZzz: hmm are you sure they don't want dbus api? Aug 30 11:01:59 lindi-: yes, 100%. read the latest gpsd news Aug 30 11:02:07 they will abadon dbus completely Aug 30 11:02:10 abandond, even Aug 30 11:02:59 GNUtoo|laptop: like i said, given that FSO has so little relevance, we can take the freedom to work on the best APIs. there's no pressure to use what's around, if it's subpar Aug 30 11:03:08 but again, i didn't look yet Aug 30 11:03:12 ok Aug 30 11:03:13 so don't force me to judge now Aug 30 11:03:35 so what should I do? Aug 30 11:03:42 focus on keyboard and GUI? Aug 30 11:03:51 keyboard seem to take time Aug 30 11:03:59 so maybe I'll do something bad : Aug 30 11:04:04 focus on GUI Aug 30 11:04:13 but that requires keyboard Aug 30 11:04:20 because I want to remove keyboard button Aug 30 11:04:26 anything that improves the user experience is a good thing :) Aug 30 11:04:37 basically the plans were Aug 30 11:04:42 keyboard->GUI Aug 30 11:04:44 mickey|zzZZzz: http://git.berlios.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gpsd;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=8690b9af7e56780c8e0ef13635c53b74377cb963;hb=HEAD does not mention it Aug 30 11:04:50 i hope to complete the dependency issue in fsousaged this week Aug 30 11:04:58 because in illume2 there is a keyboard button on the top-bar that popups the keyboard Aug 30 11:05:04 but as we have an hardware keyboard Aug 30 11:05:06 lindi-: Aug 30 11:05:08 3.0 Aug 30 11:05:08 Before 30 Sep 2010 Aug 30 11:05:08 Old protocol support will be removed from the library. DBUS support will be removed from the daemon. Aug 30 11:05:09 it'll go Aug 30 11:05:28 ok Aug 30 11:05:37 mickey|zzZZzz: but they did not remove old protocol support from the library Aug 30 11:05:50 not yet, no. but in 3.0 it's gone Aug 30 11:06:06 mickey|zzZZzz: which file are you quoting btw? Aug 30 11:06:10 http://gpsd.berlios.de/protocol-transition.html Aug 30 11:06:22 aka "the road to gpsd-ng" Aug 30 11:06:49 mickey|zzZZzz: I was under the impression that a redesigned dbus api might be possible Aug 30 11:07:04 just having it signal your position every second was a stupid api Aug 30 11:07:32 indeed Aug 30 11:07:42 mickey|zzZZzz, who is managing the opimd specs? Aug 30 11:07:43 and gypsy - although they tried - did make it even worse Aug 30 11:07:48 daniele_athome: dos1 i think Aug 30 11:07:49 maybe this geoclue could be it? Aug 30 11:08:01 "Freedesktop.org is hosting a project called geoclue that aims to provide a location service layer for all D-Bus-using applications. It can use gpsd as a source for location info." Aug 30 11:08:02 possible, didn't look enough yet Aug 30 11:08:12 dos1, do you think a more threaded approach in opimd messages should be taken? Aug 30 11:08:22 i mean instead of looking at single messages, do like android or gmail Aug 30 11:08:44 gypsy introduced bitfields in the dbus API Aug 30 11:08:47 as if there wasn't a{sv} Aug 30 11:08:50 * mickey|zzZZzz shudders Aug 30 11:09:50 <[Rui]> hi, can anyone tell me why we're using evdev rather than tslib? Aug 30 11:10:38 daniele_athome: what do you mean by "threaded approach"? Aug 30 11:11:01 dos1, like android or gmail, "thread-oriented" Aug 30 11:11:04 [Rui], on freerunner I can't tell but on dream, roughly because I had a rotation issue and that xf86-input-tslib had an issue with dev privates, and that #xorg-devel told me to use evdev Aug 30 11:11:05 messages grouped by recipient Aug 30 11:11:16 daniele_athome: it's already possible and easy to do Aug 30 11:11:23 dos1, a quick way Aug 30 11:11:25 daniele_athome: look at opimd-messages from opimd-utils Aug 30 11:11:27 [Rui], by rotation I mean in xorg.conf no xrandr -o 1 Aug 30 11:11:37 [Rui]: apparantly some overzealous OpenMoko kernel engineer thought it was good to throw away a working userland touchscreen filtering scheme and to reimplement everything in kernel Aug 30 11:11:47 dos1, really? is there a quick way to obtain a list of threads without querying all the messages? Aug 30 11:12:03 mickey|zzZZzz, maybe because of speed issues Aug 30 11:12:06 daniele_athome: oh, no. you can't have real threads in SMS Aug 30 11:12:09 that's what I heard Aug 30 11:12:11 GNUtoo|laptop: no Aug 30 11:12:13 daniele_athome: unless you do them manually Aug 30 11:12:16 <[Rui]> it's just because tslib has right button emulation, which is useful Aug 30 11:12:21 because of i-dont-understand-it-and-i-dont-like-it Aug 30 11:12:29 ah ok Aug 30 11:12:33 trust me on that, i know that guy :D Aug 30 11:12:36 daniele_athome: but i don't know how android is working, maybe they have some magic algoritm for that ;] Aug 30 11:12:40 dos1, so what about adding a few dbus calls Aug 30 11:12:45 <[Rui]> is there a way to have an indicator *also* on the popup top bar? Aug 30 11:12:52 for making a thread-optimized query Aug 30 11:13:07 i mean a sqlite query optimized for retrieving information about threads Aug 30 11:13:07 daniele_athome: at first, you have to define what "thread" is Aug 30 11:13:26 dos1, a thread is a group of messages exchanged with one phone number Aug 30 11:13:35 daniele_athome: as in SMS there is no way to determine if incoming message is a reply for some, or completely new thread Aug 30 11:13:39 or, even better, a contact Aug 30 11:13:50 dos1, i know, it's absolute in this way Aug 30 11:13:56 just group them by contact ;) Aug 30 11:14:15 daniele_athome: hmm, so again: look at opimd-messages :D Aug 30 11:14:42 <[Rui]> mickey|zzZZzz: hms? what do yo umean? Aug 30 11:15:10 mmm Aug 30 11:15:21 dos1, i'll do some tests and will explain better Aug 30 11:15:49 ok Aug 30 11:15:49 so why keep that? Aug 30 11:15:49 if speed issues are not relevant Aug 30 11:15:50 mickey|zzZZzz, maybe I'll do that Aug 30 11:15:51 forget about gps until you take a decision on geoclue Aug 30 11:15:52 and do keyboard and GUI Aug 30 11:20:13 dos1, is the message dbus address still sequencial numbered? Aug 30 11:20:30 e.g. [...]/Message/2, /Message/3 and so on Aug 30 11:21:00 daniele_athome: i think yes, but TAsn changed completely what's going under the hood some time ago Aug 30 11:21:38 mmm Aug 30 11:22:24 seems a unique sequence... good :) Aug 30 11:22:55 dos1, so let's build our query Aug 30 11:23:23 i need the latest message of each contact i chatted with, either sent or received Aug 30 11:23:44 without querying for all the messages Aug 30 11:33:01 daniele_athome: messages.Query({'Peer':'yournumber', '_limit': 1, '_sortby': 'Timestamp', _sortdesc: True}) Aug 30 11:33:05 daniele_athome: something like that Aug 30 11:33:11 mmm Aug 30 11:33:37 dos1, that doesn't include the received messages, does it? Aug 30 11:33:43 daniele_athome: it should Aug 30 11:33:51 mmm Aug 30 11:33:55 let me try something Aug 30 11:45:03 dos1, nice :) Aug 30 11:45:19 i didn't understand that Peer is used for both sender or recipient Aug 30 11:45:27 dos1, is there any documentation for opimd queries? Aug 30 11:45:53 daniele_athome: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/pim-intro.html;hb=HEAD Aug 30 11:45:57 git docs: TBD :) Aug 30 11:46:01 i see Aug 30 11:46:10 eheh Aug 30 11:47:01 dos1, i was wrong Aug 30 11:47:09 doesn't work with my own number :( Aug 30 11:47:18 i inserted the other's number in query Aug 30 11:47:44 hmm, quering for your own number isn't even supposed to work Aug 30 11:48:21 dos1, you said that: 'Peer':'yournumber' Aug 30 11:48:23 as your number isn't stored anywhere with messages Aug 30 11:48:27 yes Aug 30 11:48:37 daniele_athome: oh, i mean 'number-you-want-to-query' ;) Aug 30 11:48:42 oh :) Aug 30 11:48:55 dos1, but i don't know the number i want to query Aug 30 11:49:01 until a read the actual messages Aug 30 11:49:05 *I Aug 30 11:49:12 daniele_athome: read contacts Aug 30 11:49:23 daniele_athome: about other numbers not in contacts - yup, TBD ;) Aug 30 11:49:23 dos1, could not be enough Aug 30 11:49:27 LOL Aug 30 11:49:39 dos1, what about adding another special query field? Aug 30 11:49:44 like _groupby or something like that Aug 30 11:49:45 daniele_athome: that Aug 30 11:49:54 TBD :) Aug 30 11:50:04 s/that/that's what i wanted to do/ Aug 30 11:50:04 dos1 meant: daniele_athome: that's what i wanted to do Aug 30 11:50:25 but i don't really had time and motivation recently Aug 30 11:50:31 mmm Aug 30 11:50:31 s/don't/haven't/ Aug 30 11:50:32 dos1 meant: but i haven't really had time and motivation recently Aug 30 11:50:56 i should take care of it, because i will really need it for my phone stack gui Aug 30 11:51:35 daniele_athome: talk also with TAsn about that, he made huge opimd redesign some time ago and now he's also "responsible" for it ;) Aug 30 11:52:00 :) Aug 30 11:52:06 as i haven't really worked on opimd since that Aug 30 11:52:27 ok i will talk to TAsn at some point Aug 30 11:52:36 (but well, i hope to change that soon ;]) Aug 30 11:52:39 i do wish to port my phone app to opimd Aug 30 11:52:56 at the time i was beginning development, opimd was very bad Aug 30 11:56:45 daniele_athome: yup, but when i "adopted it" i think we started to change that step by step ;) Aug 30 11:57:08 i know, that's why i was waiting for it Aug 30 11:57:10 :) Aug 30 11:57:23 in the meantime i had some fun with sqlite api :) Aug 30 11:58:46 <[Rui]> What happened with the accelerometer data? I'm having some difficulty reading good values Aug 30 12:04:52 <[Rui]> most of the time I can't read them properly, but sometimes I do. Is FSO capturing accel packet data as well? Aug 30 12:06:38 <[Rui]> weird, fsodeviced.conf points accelerometer to event2 (wrong path) Aug 30 12:20:34 dos1: sitiing on the street, waiting for DHL? ;-P Aug 30 12:21:07 *sigh* should really try a current shr-u RSN Aug 30 12:21:57 DocScrutinizer: well, it's quite cold today ;x and i don't think i'll have wifi coverage on street ;) Aug 30 12:22:02 daniele_athome: is there any mokosuite2 repository avalilable for public? I wanna check the keyboard situation. Aug 30 12:22:15 unfortunately i don't have any window to street side here ;x Aug 30 12:33:11 Q-Master, the subversion repo Aug 30 12:33:20 svn://svn.casaricci.it/openmoko/trunk/mokosuite Aug 30 12:33:25 read-only for now Aug 30 12:33:27 daniele_athome: thnx Aug 30 12:34:01 daniele_athome: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.casaricci.it' Aug 30 12:34:09 connection refused Aug 30 12:44:41 DocScrutinizer: got it :D Aug 30 12:45:01 WOooHOoo \o/ Aug 30 12:46:33 dos1: check out http://maemo.org/packages/view/notmynokia/ and http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Aug 30 12:46:49 *prior* to inserting a SIM Aug 30 12:50:30 so, we're just waiting for PaulF and JaMa|GoNe Aug 30 12:51:28 DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks, though i don't want to insert SIM yet ;) Aug 30 12:52:17 deal with that shit now, so you won't forget about it later Aug 30 12:52:45 crappy 'feature' :< Aug 30 12:52:59 yep, actually max annoyance Aug 30 12:54:52 DocScrutinizer: nothing arrived yet, waiting for e-amil from work, in case it arrives today I'll go there to pick it otherwise I'll leave tomorrow morning without :/ Aug 30 12:55:46 dos1: touch ~/.cherry_state; will suffice if done prior to PR1.2 update (given the assumption they still ship PR1.0) Aug 30 12:56:26 aah hmm Aug 30 12:56:33 mrmoku|away: ping?? Aug 30 12:58:19 ~seen mrmoku|away Aug 30 12:58:24 Q-Master, sorry, works now Aug 30 12:58:28 mrmoku|away is currently on #maemo #oe #meego #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'PaulF: I updated to current FSOREV yesterday and did quite a few calls since then... so far without any problems'. Aug 30 12:58:51 daniele_athome: thnx Aug 30 12:59:27 Q-Master, you can also look in the entire trunk, there is some useful (or not :) stuff Aug 30 12:59:38 ok Aug 30 12:59:39 and old projects (old vala mokosuite and very old python mokosuite) Aug 30 13:28:12 DocScrutinizer: Maemo 5 2.2009.51-1 Aug 30 13:28:26 :nod: Aug 30 13:31:03 dos1: you either want to do SSU update via WLAN, which takes ~4h for 1.0 -> 1.2. Or just ~flash the new *COMBINED* rootfs plus *VANILLA* eMMC image, which takes ~40s Aug 30 13:31:22 ;] Aug 30 13:32:13 DocScrutinizer: ;) i'm more exited about flashing SHR, in whatever state it is atm ;D Aug 30 13:32:36 dos1: so you take the 4h wlan option ?:) Aug 30 13:33:08 I don't think there's any alternatice OS you could actually flash. Aug 30 13:33:30 all live on uSD afaik Aug 30 13:33:46 via dualboot Aug 30 13:35:10 probably modding the eMMC partitioning and copy any alternative OS there should also be feasible Aug 30 13:37:11 ouch Aug 30 13:37:19 so i will need uSD Aug 30 13:37:44 as i don't want to steal it from freerunner ;) Aug 30 13:40:01 dos1: buy one, it isn't too expensive Aug 30 13:48:02 soltys: i will, just not at the moment :P Aug 30 13:48:11 ;) Aug 30 13:48:24 ok end of work for today, bbl Aug 30 13:49:51 mickey|zzZZzz, hi Aug 30 13:50:01 mickey|zzZZzz, what will you do about the GSM log? Aug 30 13:51:04 DocScrutinizer: so just "touch ~/.cherry_state"? Aug 30 13:51:09 before upgrade? Aug 30 13:52:24 dos1: see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription - yes, aiui Aug 30 13:53:29 dos1: though you can't flash eMMC without losing that. So please refer to that URL to read up details Aug 30 14:54:28 my svn server is down sorry Aug 30 14:54:36 the phone line disappeared Aug 30 14:54:41 no dial tone, no adsl carrier, nothing Aug 30 14:54:42 :S Aug 30 14:54:50 so mokosuite repo is unreachable for now Aug 30 15:03:24 daniele_athome, in moment like these you appreciate git :) Aug 30 15:03:36 xrmx, indeed :) Aug 30 15:04:06 xrmx, you know what? i'll switch my openmoko repository to git as soon as i have time to stay still in front of my laptop Aug 30 15:04:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r66d97e9e0aeb 10/fsotdld/src/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsotdl: cosmetics Aug 30 15:04:41 <[Rui]> it seems gtk fonts are horribly small Aug 30 15:47:36 <[Rui]> does anyone else noticed how horribly small gtk fonts currently are? Aug 30 15:47:45 <[Rui]> gtk app fonts, I mean... Aug 30 15:50:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rcfb3d5c9ddb7 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Location Aug 30 15:50:16 is your DPI set correctly? Aug 30 15:50:31 with 285 DPI set in X, Vera 9 looks ok here Aug 30 15:51:34 <[Rui]> mickey|: I never changed that and it's a fresh flashing Aug 30 15:51:46 <[Rui]> an image from 28th Aug 30 15:52:11 hmm, i'm afraid i don't know what SHR is setting the DPI to Aug 30 15:52:18 check in Xserver start script Aug 30 15:52:46 <[Rui]> I've been using fbreader to read Doctorow's FTW so I noticed quite quickly Aug 30 15:54:44 GNUtoo|htcdream: can you help me with suspend if I establish usbnet ssh ? Aug 30 15:55:16 dcordes, maybe Aug 30 15:55:36 what should I do? Aug 30 15:55:53 rebase patches? Aug 30 15:56:12 GNUtoo|htcdream: fist see if I can resume from 'mem' Aug 30 15:56:23 GNUtoo|htcdream: after the one line patch Aug 30 15:56:48 ok Aug 30 15:57:17 GNUtoo|htcdream: what is the process to try it ? Aug 30 15:57:30 GNUtoo|htcdream: assumning a) one line patch applied b) ssh usbnet up and running Aug 30 15:57:34 first you need usb gasdget Aug 30 15:57:41 *gadget Aug 30 15:57:45 that'S given (b) Aug 30 15:57:59 b??? Aug 30 15:58:06 b) ssh usbnet up and running Aug 30 15:58:10 17:55 < dcordes> GNUtoo|htcdream: assumning a) one line patch applied b) ssh usbnet up and running Aug 30 15:58:17 ah ok Aug 30 15:58:21 nice Aug 30 15:58:28 so ssh inside Aug 30 15:58:33 and do Aug 30 15:58:55 ouch kb problem Aug 30 15:59:32 so echo on to /sys/power/state Aug 30 15:59:51 then echo mem Aug 30 15:59:58 and try some commands Aug 30 16:00:14 dmesg for instance Aug 30 16:00:27 and retry to echo on Aug 30 16:02:35 GNUtoo|htcdream: ok so dropbear is usually not suspended ? Aug 30 16:03:01 GNUtoo|htcdream: (unlike my bash script) Aug 30 16:03:29 dcordes: suspended? Aug 30 16:03:33 <[Rui]> mickey|: found the problem, it's in e17, it's setting DPI to 2032 for some reason. Aug 30 16:04:08 <[Rui]> or X and then e just adapts Aug 30 16:04:14 2032? that's quite a lot Aug 30 16:04:19 <[Rui]> (*) Scale with DPI Aug 30 16:04:22 <[Rui]> *Relative* Aug 30 16:04:31 <[Rui]> Base DPI to scale relative to Aug 30 16:04:38 <[Rui]> (*) 142 DPI Aug 30 16:04:42 <[Rui]> Currently 2032 DPI Aug 30 16:04:56 <[Rui]> something's fudged up Aug 30 16:05:21 <[Rui]> I don't think it's e Aug 30 16:05:26 <[Rui]> must be something on X Aug 30 16:05:31 lindi-: I tried a script that will write mem and ten seconds later on but it didn't work. GNUtoo said it might be due to suspension of the process Aug 30 16:05:46 lindi-: and yes - I am working on the htc hd2 Aug 30 16:06:09 lindi-: but many things are generic along modern htcs - hence the several devices I mentioned Aug 30 16:08:35 <[Rui]> gena2x: you've been working with glamo, right? do you think you have introduced a typo in screen size? Aug 30 16:13:58 dcordes: fwiw, remember to unplug USB during your experiments. vbat is a wakelock... Aug 30 16:18:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rd1344e0ef5f4 10/configure.ac: bump Aug 30 16:35:25 dcordes, sorry,battery issue Aug 30 16:36:00 GNUtoo|htcdream: :) Aug 30 16:36:37 GNUtoo|htcdream: it's niceto see you are using 'your own' operating system Aug 30 16:36:44 GNUtoo|htcdream: I think if I get alsa running I will do same Aug 30 16:37:59 how can I enable g_ether kernel module build in a kernel in OpenEmbedded? Aug 30 16:38:07 defconfig? Aug 30 16:38:22 any hint is welcome, I have no idea ;) Aug 30 16:39:56 pespin: you have two options. you can run 'bitbake -b devshell virtual/kernel' Aug 30 16:40:10 mickey|, hi I've a huge issue Aug 30 16:40:13 my dream seem dead Aug 30 16:40:14 pespin: that will open a new terminal after the kernel configure process Aug 30 16:40:17 battery issue Aug 30 16:40:27 basically: Aug 30 16:40:35 I open the dream, fully charged etc... Aug 30 16:40:37 pespin: there you can edit the configuration using make menuconfig or by editing .config manually Aug 30 16:40:46 I connect to the 3g Aug 30 16:40:48 it last for a bit Aug 30 16:41:04 and then when I reboot I've -1% Aug 30 16:41:07 <[Rui]> how could shr on n900 be characterized right now? Aug 30 16:41:12 then I remove the battery and wait a bit Aug 30 16:41:16 and then 60% Aug 30 16:41:16 pespin: the other option is to locate the defconfig for your MACHINE inside the recipes/linux directory. that will permanently modify the configuration and always compile with that edited config Aug 30 16:41:21 without recharging Aug 30 16:41:36 pespin: which device do you have? maybe it makes sense to add the changed configuration upstream ? Aug 30 16:41:53 and then re-internet and re -1% but right after Aug 30 16:41:56 without waiting Aug 30 16:42:15 dcordes, I'm trying to use SHR in an HTC artemis :) Aug 30 16:42:18 dcordes, photos: http://espeweb.net/misc/pespin/artemis/ Aug 30 16:42:19 I bet all that is linked to the fact of having the wrong charger Aug 30 16:42:27 pespin, specs? Aug 30 16:42:36 pespin: cool. I'm a hardcorde HTC fan Aug 30 16:42:45 I have it showing the login screen, but no module g_ether :) Aug 30 16:42:47 You don't have permission to access /misc/pespin/artemis/dsc00259.jpg on this server. Aug 30 16:43:01 pespin: you are welcome to join #htc-linux Aug 30 16:43:30 TI OMAP850 201 MHz Aug 30 16:43:31 gnustavo, try now :) Aug 30 16:43:42 RAM: 64 MB Aug 30 16:43:47 GNUtoo|laptop: sounds like your battery is almost dead. Aug 30 16:43:50 dcordes, my knowledge is of a newbie hehe, just starting :) Aug 30 16:43:53 mickey|, ok Aug 30 16:44:03 mickey|, I wonder...it could be the battery or the phone Aug 30 16:44:06 pespin: http://wiki.htc-linux.org/ Aug 30 16:44:06 if it can hold the charge only for so long it's almost always the battery Aug 30 16:44:12 mickey|, I'll pm you about this issue Aug 30 16:44:26 GNUtoo|laptop, I'm using wing-linux kernel for htcherald (which told me is default kernel for omap850) Aug 30 16:44:40 pespin: http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Artemis poor and outdated documetnation :( maybe you can help updating it ? Aug 30 16:44:46 mickey|, basically some days ago...I found out that I didn't have the right charger Aug 30 16:44:59 dcordes, first I need g_ether running to ssh in :P Aug 30 16:45:01 pespin: artemis kernel in OE might be outdated, too Aug 30 16:45:06 somehow it got exchanged with another one Aug 30 16:45:13 maybe at fosdem? Aug 30 16:45:26 maybe I took the worng one for making my luggages Aug 30 16:45:29 w/for/when Aug 30 16:45:59 dcordes, I have very little knowledge of low stuff comapred to you, so I'm going slowly, step by step :) Aug 30 16:46:14 wish to learn about that though ^^ Aug 30 16:46:21 <[Rui]> forciing DPI=285 now shows a different result in e's dpi detection... it claims 290 Aug 30 16:46:30 pespin: yea that's cool I'm eager to help Aug 30 16:47:01 pespin: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison Aug 30 16:47:02 dcordes, what do I need to set in linux-herald.bb in order to make g_ether build? Aug 30 16:47:15 dcordes, yeah, looked at that yesterday :) Aug 30 16:47:35 GNUtoo|laptop: you should look at our hd2 status table for better design: http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Status Aug 30 16:47:50 ok looking now Aug 30 16:49:08 <[Rui]> lindi-: ping? Aug 30 16:49:26 <[Rui]> lindi-: do you know if something changed in accelerometer data? Aug 30 16:56:18 this is enoguh to make it build? module_autoload_g_ether = ${@base_contains('MACHINE_FEATURES', 'usbgadget', 'g_ether', '',d)} Aug 30 16:59:22 ah found it Aug 30 16:59:39 MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS :) Aug 30 16:59:47 kernel-module-g-ether Aug 30 17:01:00 [Rui]: type with screen size? Aug 30 17:01:13 <[Rui]> gena2x: typo Aug 30 17:01:35 [Rui]: where? i think not, as i only changed 1 line in kernel to fix bug. Aug 30 17:01:38 <[Rui]> gena2x: without setting DPI manually, e claimed 2032 DPI Aug 30 17:01:42 <[Rui]> gena2x: setting 285 e claimed 290 Aug 30 17:01:55 [Rui]: sure not i. Aug 30 17:02:00 <[Rui]> gena2x: DPI is borked in recent releases Aug 30 17:02:27 <[Rui]> gena2x: phone_log and fbreader have unreadbly small fonts Aug 30 17:02:49 [Rui]: 90% dpi is something in software, not related to kernel Aug 30 17:03:20 <[Rui]> gena2x: doesn't it have to take in account screen size (real, not pixels)? Aug 30 17:03:53 [Rui]: afair, in x86 monitor reports value in edid(?) data Aug 30 17:04:13 but i think in fr, it's pure software setting Aug 30 17:04:45 <[Rui]> gena2x: ok, then something in software is borking it, perhaps e Aug 30 17:04:46 I'll be back on my phone (usb powered) Aug 30 17:04:51 usb means usb cable Aug 30 17:04:52 but i never developed such things, my view is only use view Aug 30 17:04:57 in order to share the computer Aug 30 17:05:02 check x logs Aug 30 17:05:44 <[Rui]> gena2x: nothing useful there Aug 30 17:06:04 [Rui]: on x86, it is: (II) Aug 29 08:36:14 NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 2560 x 1600 Aug 30 17:06:04 (--) Aug 29 08:36:14 NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (101, 101); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config Aug 30 17:06:04 (--) Aug 29 08:36:14 NVIDIA(0): option Aug 30 17:06:32 <[Rui]> gena2x: nothing here, not when I grep -i dbi x.log Aug 30 17:08:26 <[Rui]> on Xorg.0.log there's an entry, but with wrong value (as autodetected): [3287672.697] (++) Glamo(0): DPI set to (280, 280) Aug 30 17:08:46 mickey|, btw did you get the gsm log mail? Aug 30 17:11:24 dcordes, at what point are you/ Aug 30 17:11:41 s#/#?# Aug 30 17:11:48 GNUtoo|htcdream: doing some other work now Aug 30 17:12:12 GNUtoo|htcdream: I will let you know once I'm hooped up via usbnet Aug 30 17:12:12 GNUtoo|htcdream: are they on CDMA or GSM in Australia? Aug 30 17:12:33 no Aug 30 17:12:37 GSM Aug 30 17:12:58 I think Aug 30 17:13:13 in usa where they had the same issue with replicant Aug 30 17:13:21 they had gsm Aug 30 17:13:49 GNUtoo|htcdream: it will be interesting to run SHR on the cdma enabled (qsd8650) motorola droid X Aug 30 17:13:50 and I m not sure that CDMA dream exist Aug 30 17:13:58 ok Aug 30 17:14:06 GNUtoo|htcdream: it's a very hyped device Aug 30 17:14:06 [Rui]: (rebooted to debian) here i have (++) Glamo(0): DPI set to (96, 96) Aug 30 17:14:13 ok Aug 30 17:14:25 GNUtoo|htcdream: I think there are many people who support the idea of _truely_ free phone OS Aug 30 17:14:29 [Rui]: I have not used 2.6.32 much Aug 30 17:14:32 GNUtoo|htcdream: problem is they don't know we exist ! Aug 30 17:14:39 mickey|, cdma got no sim card,right? Aug 30 17:14:40 [Rui]: since it does not support resume reason or usb host mode Aug 30 17:14:50 <[Rui]> gena2x: that's just wrong! 96 DPI on such a small screen? Aug 30 17:15:05 [Rui]: i om ok with it Aug 30 17:15:10 <[Rui]> lindi-: how stable is 2.6.34? what doesn't it provide? Aug 30 17:15:11 dcordes, ok but...we must have a good strategy Aug 30 17:15:15 <[Rui]> gena2x: ok :) Aug 30 17:15:15 yep Aug 30 17:15:18 no sim Aug 30 17:15:21 [Rui]: no, you right in fact Aug 30 17:15:38 dcordes, basicwally take into account Aug 30 17:15:43 [Rui]: it should be hardware property Aug 30 17:16:06 *who bought it(how many freedom people bought it) Aug 30 17:16:12 [Rui]: i can recall some story about all that dpi, from past in some moko maillist... Aug 30 17:16:16 *how easy is the port Aug 30 17:16:34 <[Rui]> gena2x: hms... Aug 30 17:16:48 n900 is great because a lot of floss devs bought it Aug 30 17:17:26 <[Rui]> gena2x: well, since apparently you solved WSOD, I'm looking back into omnewrotate... it seems it needs some adjustment... Aug 30 17:17:49 <[Rui]> is 2.6.29 still used in some openmoko distribution? Aug 30 17:18:08 [Rui]: sure Aug 30 17:18:25 <[Rui]> ok, so I won't strip that code from omnewrotate just yet :) Aug 30 17:18:46 [Rui]: lindi- few minutes ago told you he is fun of .29 - he is fan of debian. in debian .29 now used Aug 30 17:19:05 [Rui]: lastest qtmoko is .29 also Aug 30 17:19:12 <[Rui]> gena2x: I didn't know that, I thought he used 2.6.34 :) Aug 30 17:19:12 GNUtoo|htcdream: we need to sit together to iron out a good strategy Aug 30 17:19:17 [Rui]: android is also .29 Aug 30 17:19:30 mickey|, is our strategist Aug 30 17:20:20 [Rui]: no, he is fan is stable and feature rich software :) Aug 30 17:20:24 GNUtoo|htcdream: I think if we want to reach an aim we need to collaborate Aug 30 17:20:31 indeed Aug 30 17:20:56 so roughly we have 3 classes of devices Aug 30 17:21:03 <[Rui]> gena2x: lol Aug 30 17:21:03 GNUtoo|htcdream: maybe we can use the next big foss event to call in a meeting Aug 30 17:21:07 each has his own issues Aug 30 17:21:14 yes fosdem Aug 30 17:21:23 <[Rui]> basically I think I still consider values for relative acceleration, and now it's absolute acceleraton *bummer* Aug 30 17:21:34 GNUtoo|htcdream: quite a while until fosdem Aug 30 17:21:40 1)GNU/linux (palm pre,n900) Aug 30 17:21:48 2)androis Aug 30 17:21:51 [Rui]: ok, i wanted to say that it may be worth to search old mails to solve and understand DPI problem. Aug 30 17:21:59 3)winmo Aug 30 17:22:00 GNUtoo|htcdream: I think it is a bad idea to keep wasting such thoughts on IRC Aug 30 17:22:17 GNUtoo|htcdream: let's create a wiki page Aug 30 17:22:21 <[Rui]> gena2x: possibly, but it was a recent change. Aug 30 17:22:22 my keyboard is slow Aug 30 17:22:39 <[Rui]> the 0823 image had it fine, then after a few updates it went to hell Aug 30 17:22:50 but...why not an irc meetinh Aug 30 17:22:51 <[Rui]> I just installed the 0828 image, and it's bad as well Aug 30 17:22:57 GNUtoo|htcdream: IRC meeting is good Aug 30 17:23:01 with wiki recap after it Aug 30 17:23:02 <[Rui]> so it's something that changed in the meanwhile... Aug 30 17:23:08 GNUtoo|htcdream: sounds very good Aug 30 17:23:13 [Rui]: i have no shr here sorry. Aug 30 17:23:24 <[Rui]> gena2x: no problem :) Aug 30 17:23:30 we could do it now? Aug 30 17:23:40 mickey|, leviathan are there Aug 30 17:23:48 GNUtoo|htcdream: ok. let's find out who is interested in proactively designing the future of the SHR project Aug 30 17:23:56 ok Aug 30 17:24:00 JaMa|GoNe: comes to my mind Aug 30 17:24:17 morphis isnt there Aug 30 17:24:19 Hi all Aug 30 17:24:19 too bad Aug 30 17:24:30 we should wait for him Aug 30 17:24:34 leviathan: hi ! Aug 30 17:24:42 i should call the n900 guy too Aug 30 17:24:48 k Aug 30 17:24:51 he s on jabber Aug 30 17:24:57 highligt me, as soon as he is here Aug 30 17:25:02 :-) Aug 30 17:25:13 morphis isnt there Aug 30 17:25:18 so we cant start Aug 30 17:25:24 hes crucial Aug 30 17:25:28 cool ! Aug 30 17:25:34 GNUtoo|htcdream: I can't edit trac wiki Aug 30 17:25:48 GNUtoo|htcdream: should we use fso wiki ? Aug 30 17:25:52 everybosy reads fso-userland ml? Aug 30 17:25:56 yes Aug 30 17:25:56 no Aug 30 17:25:59 one second Aug 30 17:26:20 maybe we should make a call on Aug 30 17:26:31 *freesmartphone-* Aug 30 17:26:42 *openmoko-* Aug 30 17:26:59 mailong lists Aug 30 17:27:16 can't find Aug 30 17:27:39 find what? Aug 30 17:27:55 shr mailing list too Aug 30 17:28:07 should be advised Aug 30 17:36:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6a1c87931893 10/fsotdld/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): fsotdld: start with the long needed migration to the location provider infrastructure Aug 30 17:42:07 hi dcordes Aug 30 17:42:14 basically I was saying Aug 30 17:42:20 we have 3 classes of devices: Aug 30 17:42:27 1)GNU/Linux Aug 30 17:42:32 like n900 or palm pre Aug 30 17:42:42 kernel is in a good state Aug 30 17:42:48 userland needs reverse engineering Aug 30 17:42:55 2)android Aug 30 17:42:58 then we have android Aug 30 17:42:59 yes Aug 30 17:42:59 huge kernel work needed Aug 30 17:43:03 and then wince Aug 30 17:43:07 yes Aug 30 17:43:15 mickey|zzZZzz, doesn't belive in wince Aug 30 17:43:21 dito Aug 30 17:43:30 personally if wince can leverage the work we done.... Aug 30 17:43:34 why not Aug 30 17:43:46 Its some haret tinkering needed Aug 30 17:43:52 but their huge issue is the 800 commit distance between them and android Aug 30 17:43:58 GNUtoo|htcdream: we need to sort out a good time to get together Aug 30 17:44:03 standalone boot is mostly not possible because wince is on ROM Aug 30 17:44:13 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|htcdream: openmoko sold more freerunners than Microsoft sold Kins :) Aug 30 17:44:14 ok Aug 30 17:44:19 I'd like to have a OMv2 Aug 30 17:44:20 or so Aug 30 17:44:21 what's kins? Aug 30 17:44:28 [Rui]: seriously ? thats awesome ! Aug 30 17:44:49 so when should we do the irc meeting ? weekened ? Aug 30 17:44:56 hmm Aug 30 17:44:56 in CET evening ? Aug 30 17:45:00 <[Rui]> dcordes: the difference is huge :) Aug 30 17:45:03 evening Aug 30 17:45:09 hmm Aug 30 17:45:19 important: not tomorrow Aug 30 17:45:20 basically there is one day where I'll visit a local embedded company Aug 30 17:45:25 so I can't that day Aug 30 17:45:37 then I'll be on a swiss embedded conference Aug 30 17:45:43 and I don't want to miss that Aug 30 17:45:44 ok Aug 30 17:45:52 http://www.embeddedcomputingconference.ch/ Aug 30 17:45:53 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|htcdream: Microsoft's new platform phones :) Aug 30 17:45:58 by embedded I mean floss embedded Aug 30 17:46:02 [Rui], ok nice!!! Aug 30 17:46:17 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|htcdream: and windows mobile phone 7 has been characterized by infoworld as a disaster Aug 30 17:46:44 then perhaps the samsung shot will be a good thing anyway Aug 30 17:47:00 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|htcdream: basically our problem is operator mentality. they*do*not*like*an*open*phone Aug 30 17:47:15 hmm Aug 30 17:47:26 [Rui]: http://the-leviathan.ch/ Aug 30 17:47:27 leviathan, I've my doubt with samsung, you need something solid Aug 30 17:47:29 last entry Aug 30 17:47:41 GNUtoo|laptop: hmm Aug 30 17:47:45 that means figures Aug 30 17:47:47 like for instance Aug 30 17:47:51 <[Rui]> leviathan: how's that going? Aug 30 17:47:55 in french we call that etude de marché Aug 30 17:48:05 hmm Aug 30 17:48:23 <[Rui]> leviathan: did you get that archos? Aug 30 17:48:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_research Aug 30 17:48:27 etc... Aug 30 17:48:42 so market research about developers Aug 30 17:48:59 market research about who can buy the platform Aug 30 17:49:12 how many people will buy a new phone this year? Aug 30 17:49:30 did free software developers all bought n900 Aug 30 17:49:36 did they switch to android Aug 30 17:49:41 who are the android developpers Aug 30 17:49:45 are they newcommers? Aug 30 17:50:00 are they already existing free software developers Aug 30 17:50:05 if not why? Aug 30 17:50:08 etc... Aug 30 17:50:25 personally that's what I would do Aug 30 17:50:29 a great presentation Aug 30 17:50:34 with market research etc... Aug 30 17:50:38 yes Aug 30 17:50:42 something very economic Aug 30 17:50:47 thats what I'm on too Aug 30 17:50:48 with techical background Aug 30 17:50:50 ok nice Aug 30 17:51:04 thats why I'm also not done with the meeting Aug 30 17:51:07 yet Aug 30 17:51:15 but also discussing with markus Aug 30 17:51:32 for instance you could use the openmoko community for making a new market research against that community Aug 30 17:51:36 but also on other communities too Aug 30 17:51:37 ok Aug 30 17:51:45 hmm Aug 30 17:51:47 who is markus already Aug 30 17:51:59 he is our sells manager in O2S Aug 30 17:52:06 and a good friend of the family Aug 30 17:52:16 like do a poll Aug 30 17:52:17 ok Aug 30 17:52:30 leviathan, do you do an economy course at university? Aug 30 17:52:32 I did Aug 30 17:52:39 if you did too Aug 30 17:52:43 use that knowledge Aug 30 17:52:52 he has already leaded some 10 billion projects succesfully Aug 30 17:52:58 ah ok Aug 30 17:53:03 I trust into his knowledge Aug 30 17:53:10 and do as he says Aug 30 17:53:12 that one will be tricky tough Aug 30 17:53:15 ok Aug 30 17:53:17 I'm not such a seller Aug 30 17:53:20 more a worker Aug 30 17:53:20 if you've got the right people Aug 30 17:53:22 then it's fine Aug 30 17:53:52 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/SHR/Meeting Aug 30 17:54:29 GNUtoo|laptop: maybe you can anounce and pass the link around on the relevant lists ? Aug 30 17:54:32 dcordes, reuse the previous physical meeting name Aug 30 17:54:45 SHRFSOUNPRONOUNCABLENAME Aug 30 17:55:22 FSOSHR meeting Aug 30 17:55:34 yeah such things will attract many people who want to invest time Aug 30 17:55:38 Aug 30 17:55:39 ok Aug 30 17:55:39 sorry Aug 30 17:55:59 anyway Aug 30 17:56:20 ok, well Aug 30 17:56:31 we have already the outlines Aug 30 17:56:41 also target costumers Aug 30 17:57:07 and an oportunity, especialy after the windows mobile desaster Aug 30 17:57:11 leviathan: if you think that is something to discuss I suggest adding it in items Aug 30 17:57:12 FSOSHRUDCON :P Aug 30 17:57:24 (FSO/SHR User&Developers Conference) Aug 30 17:58:05 leviathan, basically I would use that line: Aug 30 17:58:18 why everybody else failed Aug 30 17:58:28 at attrating developers and applications Aug 30 17:58:44 s/attracting/attracting FLOSS Aug 30 17:58:49 basically there are: Aug 30 17:58:56 android //impossible to re-use things Aug 30 17:59:08 openmoko //outdated Aug 30 17:59:38 maemo and meego //everybody get there but there are some issues such as: Aug 30 17:59:47 hmmm Aug 30 17:59:47 webos //userspace closed Aug 30 17:59:54 yes Aug 30 18:00:17 windows mobile // seriously, really need to explain ? Aug 30 18:00:18 webos didn't attract that many people because of the closed userspace and the non-standardness //no xorg Aug 30 18:00:22 lol Aug 30 18:00:29 webos could have been great Aug 30 18:00:36 indeed Aug 30 18:00:40 if they did free things Aug 30 18:00:53 but they were in the worng mentality and that killed them Aug 30 18:00:57 but palm is quite open for third party software Aug 30 18:01:01 webos is a great example Aug 30 18:01:05 if we make SHR /that/ killer distro Aug 30 18:01:14 it would surely be used wider Aug 30 18:01:15 yes but seriously, how much floss third party is there Aug 30 18:01:16 :-) Aug 30 18:01:44 * leviathan ---> afk.eating ---> brb Aug 30 18:01:56 for meego it would be difficult Aug 30 18:02:05 a lot of floss dev got one Aug 30 18:02:15 the problems are: Aug 30 18:02:19 not floss Aug 30 18:02:26 doesn't last a lot Aug 30 18:03:37 I'll eat too Aug 30 18:09:18 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/SHR/Meeting Aug 30 18:09:35 I'll go eat too :) Aug 30 18:09:39 whopper time Aug 30 18:13:58 GarthPS: [Rui]: afaik it does not provide resume reason Aug 30 18:14:09 gena2x: [Rui]: afaik it does not provide resume reason Aug 30 18:14:55 <[Rui]> lindi-: I can't understand how such a change happened, couldn't the previous code just be adapted? Aug 30 18:15:09 [Rui]: I thought larsc thought it to be too hacky Aug 30 18:15:57 <[Rui]> lindi-: :( Aug 30 18:16:05 heyho Aug 30 18:26:53 re Aug 30 18:27:10 dcordes: mmmmmhhh, whopper Aug 30 18:27:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r51d59611c99f 10/msmcommd-specs/configure.ac: msmcommd-specs: this should be version 0.5.0 to have a consistence version number across msmcomm Aug 30 18:27:15 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd631d009c791 10/msmcommd/conf/Makefile.am: msmcommd: install config file into $sysconfdir and not $sysconfdir/conf Aug 30 18:27:15 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd79e54403e50 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): msmcomm: define and use structs for DBus API to simplify data handling Aug 30 18:27:18 lol I'm still here glued to the keyboard Aug 30 18:27:19 * leviathan gets jalousy Aug 30 18:27:30 * leviathan not anymore Aug 30 18:27:30 leviathan: I have two coupons for free whopper jr. ) Aug 30 18:27:32 >_< Aug 30 18:27:40 dcordes: hmm Aug 30 18:27:43 and I will get them now lol Aug 30 18:27:45 so bbl Aug 30 18:27:55 I'd like to be in whopper reach too -_- Aug 30 18:27:59 lindi-: sorry, what are you talking about ? Aug 30 18:32:27 ~seen Jama|away Aug 30 18:32:27 <[Rui]> This recipe http://pastebin.com/9383WcXi used to work for my local builds of omnewrotate, why doesn't it anylonger? (do_install not defined, didn't compile, etc...) Aug 30 18:32:37 jama|away <~martin@161-24.13.24.78.awnet.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 17d 3h 21m 5s ago, saying: 'TAsn-Laptop: I'm looking at eve on FR now, but I'm not able to use it :)'. Aug 30 18:32:53 <[Rui]> vanous: last time JaMa quit his quit message said "see you in three weeks" Aug 30 18:33:08 <[Rui]> brb, baby stuff Aug 30 18:33:14 [Rui]: good, he is flying over now, good for him to take holidays Aug 30 18:33:45 GarthPS: wrong nick Aug 30 18:37:36 [Rui]: the original oe recipe is different..., look at http://pastebin.com/0U3fCzfJ but i guess you know it... Aug 30 18:51:04 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07specs * rbec7eb211f24 10/org.freesmartphone.Location/Makefile: Aug 30 18:51:04 freesmartphone.org: Add missing Makefile for org.freesmartphone.Location Aug 30 18:51:04 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Aug 30 18:57:38 leviathan: ping Aug 30 19:01:16 morphis: pong Aug 30 19:01:18 sry Aug 30 19:01:22 was on the toilet Aug 30 19:01:25 now smoking Aug 30 19:01:26 :-D Aug 30 19:01:26 ah ok :) Aug 30 19:01:42 saw someone of the SHR team added me to the list of possible interested people for a SHR meeting Aug 30 19:02:14 are there already any big idea's in which direction SHR wants to go? Aug 30 19:02:31 jup Aug 30 19:02:47 I'm planing to sell a project to samsung Aug 30 19:02:55 containing SHR as OS platform Aug 30 19:02:59 ah ok Aug 30 19:03:05 I saw your mail a while ago Aug 30 19:03:11 in order to accomplish this, we will need some improvements Aug 30 19:03:26 ah ok, otherwise they don't accept your project idea? Aug 30 19:03:31 morphis: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/SHR/Meeting Aug 30 19:03:34 jepp Aug 30 19:03:42 look under software Aug 30 19:03:47 I already added me with another date than the first one :) Aug 30 19:03:53 <[Rui]> vanous: not much different Aug 30 19:03:54 morphis: its not spy improvements ;-) Aug 30 19:04:16 :) Aug 30 19:04:21 maybe we should ask mickey Aug 30 19:04:37 he should have even some good ideas where to go Aug 30 19:04:45 just some obvious things, which make SHR unusable for not that advanced users Aug 30 19:04:49 as I know he is working a little bit more on FSO in the next time Aug 30 19:05:07 morphis: yes Aug 30 19:05:10 and thats good so Aug 30 19:05:20 we need a robust middleware Aug 30 19:05:25 its also a task Aug 30 19:05:35 "Make it easier and more dynamic to use" ... thats a good statement for a meeting :) Aug 30 19:05:43 :-) Aug 30 19:05:50 these are the short terms Aug 30 19:05:53 the general goals Aug 30 19:06:07 yeah, but a first we need some device to target and which we can use to presentate our work Aug 30 19:06:28 hmm Aug 30 19:06:35 there are multiple devices around Aug 30 19:06:40 yeah Aug 30 19:06:45 but everyone is only semi-supported somehow Aug 30 19:06:49 jepp Aug 30 19:06:51 in hardware at least Aug 30 19:07:03 the desktop is always the same Aug 30 19:07:06 thats what I like Aug 30 19:07:08 :-) Aug 30 19:07:17 I hope I will get the Palm Pre in a usable state within the next month Aug 30 19:07:17 hmm Aug 30 19:07:23 yes Aug 30 19:07:35 the upstream support for scorpion is growing Aug 30 19:07:43 scorpion? Aug 30 19:07:48 might be worth a shot using mokosuit with scorpion Aug 30 19:07:50 yes Aug 30 19:07:56 I already though about targeting also tablets like the iPad Aug 30 19:08:01 quallcomm's scorpion Aug 30 19:08:04 ah ok Aug 30 19:08:14 mokosuite is nice Aug 30 19:08:18 jep Aug 30 19:08:37 but it should be have some more components to target general application problems like lifecycle, data storage and so Aug 30 19:08:54 thats something we really need in the near future Aug 30 19:09:02 just take a look at the android system Aug 30 19:11:30 I already though: why not copy the android framework with it's great ideas of application lifecycle and intents? Aug 30 19:12:49 <[Rui]> morphis: intents as in permissions? it sucks *big*time* Aug 30 19:12:56 morphis: mokosuit did already some approach into this direction Aug 30 19:13:10 intents as a way to communicate between apps Aug 30 19:13:20 <[Rui]> morphis: for most applications I tried on my wife's android/linux phone, a set of scary permissions were needed Aug 30 19:13:26 fso does already do that Aug 30 19:13:27 [Rui]: about the permissons we can talk Aug 30 19:13:34 <[Rui]> why does a game need access to the phonebook, heh? Aug 30 19:13:44 :-) Aug 30 19:13:50 <[Rui]> why does the maps application need all those features, heh? Aug 30 19:13:51 [Rui]: why not? Aug 30 19:14:06 fso does already manage this stuff Aug 30 19:14:15 <[Rui]> morphis: because it doesn't need them. Aug 30 19:14:17 we all want a open and free phone and this contains the possiblity to create a game using our contacts :) Aug 30 19:14:26 and it gets improved every day our beloved mickey is working on it Aug 30 19:14:28 ^^ Aug 30 19:14:28 s/our/your/ Aug 30 19:14:29 morphis meant: we all want a open and free phone and this contains the possiblity to create a game using your contacts :) Aug 30 19:14:41 :-P Aug 30 19:14:42 <[Rui]> morphis: if it does for some non essential feature, then it should be able to live just fine without it Aug 30 19:14:44 <[Rui]> it really sucks Aug 30 19:14:55 hmm Aug 30 19:15:01 leviathan: jepp, FSO does a lot of this, but what about a application which wants to share the action of displaying images? Aug 30 19:15:11 <[Rui]> it gives a scary sense of false security :) Aug 30 19:15:17 hmm Aug 30 19:15:18 <[Rui]> of course right now any app may make a call in shr :) Aug 30 19:15:30 [Rui]: but with this kind of security and permissions the software will become very complex Aug 30 19:15:30 morphis: in this case we can use fsodata Aug 30 19:15:47 hm ok Aug 30 19:15:50 hmm Aug 30 19:16:02 we are still lacking cam functionality Aug 30 19:16:08 just tell fsodata Display("file://test.png") and it will find the right app for this? Aug 30 19:16:09 imagine phones with cams Aug 30 19:16:11 now use case Aug 30 19:16:19 the Palm pre :) Aug 30 19:16:24 jup Aug 30 19:16:34 I guess it will find it Aug 30 19:16:38 I planning to look into it Aug 30 19:16:45 file type association Aug 30 19:16:50 like kde does Aug 30 19:16:57 hm ok Aug 30 19:16:59 nice usecase Aug 30 19:17:05 :) Aug 30 19:17:06 cam makes a snapshot Aug 30 19:17:14 now you have it in your photo album Aug 30 19:17:27 managed by fsodata Aug 30 19:17:51 then you connect it over usb/bluetooth to your pc Aug 30 19:18:12 explorer/konqueror/dolphin/nautilus/what ever Aug 30 19:18:14 pops up Aug 30 19:18:34 when you select mass storage mode in fso gui select window Aug 30 19:20:43 there is so much to do Aug 30 19:20:54 fsodatad, fsopimd, .... Aug 30 19:21:16 and beyond that we have to keep our main power on integrating devices in FSO/SHR Aug 30 19:25:27 the goal should be to make SHR that much platform indipendant Aug 30 19:25:28 lindi-: np :) Aug 30 19:25:37 that we only need to work on GUI once Aug 30 19:25:50 leviathan, morphis i think you're talking about: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Brainstorm/Launcher Aug 30 19:25:55 morphis: again dynamic behaviour is requested Aug 30 19:26:32 playya: exactlly Aug 30 19:26:56 blablah ... s/exactlly/exactly/ Aug 30 19:27:06 anyway Aug 30 19:27:09 another thing Aug 30 19:27:12 hm someone has to take this notes and make some into something usable Aug 30 19:27:12 gui itself Aug 30 19:27:17 static size is crap Aug 30 19:27:46 everyone is invited to extend/discuss http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Brainstorming Aug 30 19:28:03 the size of buttons, images etc. should me dynamically set, in respect of the display of the actual device Aug 30 19:28:10 this shall be automatically done Aug 30 19:29:35 re Aug 30 19:30:16 playya: nice, never really know about this pages Aug 30 19:30:21 leviathan: jepp Aug 30 19:30:31 thats just another big aspect Aug 30 19:30:49 and we need some better themes, something that gives SHR the right look Aug 30 19:30:56 leviathan: I ate one whopper for you Aug 30 19:32:29 playya: "Gesture Recognition" your already implemented something? Aug 30 19:32:49 let me see if i have the code somewhere Aug 30 19:33:07 i implemented the basic math functions mentioned in the paper Aug 30 19:33:42 ah ok Aug 30 19:33:51 so not something really useful for SHR Aug 30 19:33:51 dcordes-lib: hmm Aug 30 19:33:52 ok Aug 30 19:34:04 morphis: exactly Aug 30 19:34:12 no. not yet Aug 30 19:34:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rff02ae71fb1f 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (mediators.vala phonebook.vala unsolicited.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: update msmcommd dbus communication stuff ... Aug 30 19:34:23 playya: try openvc Aug 30 19:34:34 oops Aug 30 19:34:38 opencv Aug 30 19:34:47 I added some subitems to discuss in identity. It is an important topic I think Aug 30 19:34:51 http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/ Aug 30 19:35:35 leviathan: something for my it profs. they all about pattern recognition Aug 30 19:35:36 playya: the demo code already can recognize my face Aug 30 19:35:49 :-D Aug 30 19:35:55 hand gestures also no problem Aug 30 19:35:59 important thing in medical engineering imagery Aug 30 19:36:10 you can also rape it to read binary code Aug 30 19:36:14 you know Aug 30 19:36:17 this line stuff Aug 30 19:36:18 :-D Aug 30 19:36:36 maybe this code requires a glib wrapper to use it with vala Aug 30 19:36:44 hmm Aug 30 19:36:46 maybe Aug 30 19:36:56 but it would save a lot of work Aug 30 19:37:23 but iirc this is for images Aug 30 19:37:28 or video streams Aug 30 19:37:30 had my own greater: "hi david. you have %d new emails" Aug 30 19:37:40 already after 10min done Aug 30 19:37:44 its awsome Aug 30 19:37:53 i already played with it Aug 30 19:37:58 yes Aug 30 19:38:02 hmm, ok Aug 30 19:38:06 well then ^_^ Aug 30 19:38:38 i wrote a tool to extract the background from a static camera, where objects are moving through the picture Aug 30 19:39:04 hmm, ok Aug 30 19:39:31 you can also use it for gestures Aug 30 19:39:39 will make it much more easier Aug 30 19:39:46 because its already done there Aug 30 19:39:52 you'll only need to strip it Aug 30 19:40:06 leviathan: what's the minimum system speed to run real time face detection ? Aug 30 19:40:19 uhm Aug 30 19:40:40 depends on dpi Aug 30 19:40:57 its around O(n²) Aug 30 19:40:58 playya: I justed printed your notes on LifeCycle and will take some notes tomorrow in the train on it Aug 30 19:41:21 i'm still searching an option to normalize g-force and touchscreen data, so you can use the same gesture data for it Aug 30 19:41:35 morphis, OK. THX Aug 30 19:41:56 dcordes-lib: you won't be happy with freerunner or htcdream anyway Aug 30 19:42:02 i have to leave for today Aug 30 19:42:02 you'll need 1GHz Aug 30 19:42:03 we need that :) Aug 30 19:42:14 the scorpion board would be great for such a task Aug 30 19:42:28 battery is nearly empty and a lot of little kiddies are running around here Aug 30 19:42:36 bye Aug 30 19:42:37 playya: ohh, ok Aug 30 19:42:40 bb Aug 30 19:42:57 leviathan: cool I have that Aug 30 19:43:01 leviathan: in my phone Aug 30 19:43:14 but it lacks v4l interface to the camera Aug 30 19:43:36 hmm Aug 30 19:43:48 dcordes-lib: what device? Aug 30 19:43:52 leviathan: I suppose you didn't hear from the hd2 guy ? Aug 30 19:43:53 hd2 Aug 30 19:43:59 hmm? Aug 30 19:44:00 hd2 Aug 30 19:44:01 nope Aug 30 19:44:06 didn't hear from him Aug 30 19:44:08 ... Aug 30 19:44:27 if he is not on a vacation or so it was just some prank Aug 30 19:44:44 me he didn't expect I would take the offer Aug 30 19:45:14 who is Papa-piet ? Aug 30 19:45:43 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php?title=Palm_Pre:NFS-Root&curid=1649&diff=2987&oldid=2970 Aug 30 19:46:03 it would be nice to have palm pre devs around Aug 30 19:46:23 at http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/SHR/Meeting Aug 30 19:47:03 dcordes-lib: I would like to be there :) Aug 30 19:47:03 hmm Aug 30 19:47:05 ok Aug 30 19:47:38 [Rui]: did you make it compile now? Aug 30 19:49:41 so I am off Aug 30 19:49:41 gn8 Aug 30 19:50:23 ~nf Aug 30 19:50:23 The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help) - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2010-07-08 11:25 UTC]: SHR-unstable moved to 2.6.32 kernel; gena2x works on overclocking Neo and making Glamo faster. Aug 30 19:50:44 ~nf2 Aug 30 19:50:45 (here you'll find additional info, if newsflash on ~NF is too short to hold all the info) Aug 30 19:57:53 bbiab Aug 30 20:15:51 argh, what's wrong with Illume2 in current SHR-U image? Aug 30 20:16:28 "All applications are ran fullscreen and you can switch between them by using the the < left or right > arrows on sliding shelve available by tapping Top Shelf on any empty space" says the manual, but no shelve appears when tapping on empty place in Top Shelf Aug 30 20:19:18 Wonka, works for me Aug 30 20:20:08 max_posedon: hmf. I tap with my stylus into the empty space between the wrench and the clock and nothing happens. Aug 30 20:20:32 via ssh and ps, I can see that vala-terminal and eve are both still running... Aug 30 20:20:52 may be e-wm died? Aug 30 20:20:57 nope, still runs Aug 30 20:21:09 because applications doesn' runs in fullscreen, top panel always present Aug 30 20:21:20 starting a new program works too, and returning to home screen with the "house" utton Aug 30 20:22:39 and now I gotta leave, bbl in ca. 1h Aug 30 20:26:38 Wonka, see if there's "shr_elm_softkey" running :) Aug 30 20:29:49 Wonka: is this right after the first time wizard? Aug 30 20:38:15 hello Aug 30 20:38:25 is someone working on shr-testing at the moment? Aug 30 20:38:43 i see activity in the openembedded branches Aug 30 20:46:47 <[Rui]> vanous: sorry, baby stuff takes a whole lotta a time and we're still not used to the new schedules :) Aug 30 20:47:29 [Rui]: hehe :), here it's been quite for a long time already... 4 & 7 sleep right away :) Aug 30 20:47:51 <[Rui]> vanous: 1.5 w in my case Aug 30 20:48:03 [Rui]: congrats! Aug 30 20:48:10 <[Rui]> vanous: thanks! Aug 30 20:48:22 [Rui]: boy/girl? Aug 30 20:48:33 <[Rui]> well I could use the main recipe, but I don't understand why it stopped working Aug 30 20:48:50 <[Rui]> vanous: boy, 2.6 kg, 46.5 cm Aug 30 20:49:14 i am also interested as i would like to try compiling the ilume2 testing gadged from the list today Aug 30 20:49:27 anyone know how I can fix this? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/256427/ Aug 30 20:49:41 <[Rui]> vanous: I don't want to commit code that I'm not sure it will compile Aug 30 20:49:51 i'm running my own custom build host for experimenting Aug 30 20:50:10 [Rui]: boy will grow quickly :) Aug 30 20:50:28 <[Rui]> vanous: hope so :) Aug 30 20:50:38 <[Rui]> I use bb -c build -b ../local/packages/omnewrotate/omnewrotate_0.5.3.bb but it seems no targets get done Aug 30 20:51:11 i see Aug 30 20:51:17 i am no expert in bb Aug 30 20:51:45 <[Rui]> vanous: me neither, doesn't it show? :) Aug 30 20:51:49 :) Aug 30 20:52:45 tim_abell: is this pisi from the distro repos? Aug 30 20:53:01 this is from me building shr-unstable from scratch :D Aug 30 20:53:16 make image.... then bitbake pisi Aug 30 20:53:40 i've installed the image i made on my phone, and redirected buildhost to my local server with the hosts file Aug 30 20:54:14 followed by "bitbake package-index" and opkg update, opkg install pisi on the phone Aug 30 20:54:35 i'm pleased with how far i've got so far Aug 30 20:54:36 tim_abell: but this seems to be coming from the edbus, or? what if you try to do the import e_dbus in python? Aug 30 20:55:09 same error Aug 30 20:55:24 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/256429/ Aug 30 20:55:56 does this mean pisi is missing a dependency? Aug 30 20:56:37 hmm, perhaps... Aug 30 20:56:58 though i suppose it might be an optional dependency Aug 30 20:57:06 given that pisi can sync to lots of things Aug 30 20:57:19 if that's the case then a nicer error would be handy :) Aug 30 21:02:36 pespin_: it was running. Aug 30 21:02:52 vanous: yes, right after. Aug 30 21:03:02 what would the recipe for e_dbus be called? Aug 30 21:03:31 works now, after crash and reboot Aug 30 21:03:32 Wonka, try killing and rerunning it :) Aug 30 21:04:02 Wonka: after restart it is usually OK, first boot (and wizard) don't have E started on time... Aug 30 21:04:57 tim_abell: python-edbus_svn.bb ? Aug 30 21:05:03 'k... Aug 30 21:08:05 that looks hopeful. trying bitbake python-edbus_svn Aug 30 21:08:08 ta vanous Aug 30 21:08:11 [Rui]: you can test by bb -c clean -b ; bb -c unpack -b Aug 30 21:09:54 ah make that "bitbake python-edbus" Aug 30 21:23:31 [Rui]: i am trying similar recipe but it even doesn't get copied to tmp/work/PN so i guess there is a problem in the path specs.... Aug 30 21:30:54 <[Rui]> vanous: yes, possibly :| Aug 30 21:30:55 hurrah, that fixed it. thanks vanous Aug 30 21:31:20 [Rui]: still not working for me either... :( Aug 30 21:31:29 tim_abell: :) great Aug 30 21:31:35 opkg update & opkg upgrade was enough after rebuilding my packages Aug 30 21:31:49 some weird stuff going on though. not sure what i just replaced :-s Aug 30 21:32:37 reams of output - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/256446/ Aug 30 21:38:21 tim_abell: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2010-August/002960.html Aug 30 21:39:17 ta, i've got to go now Aug 30 21:39:21 thanks for your help Aug 30 21:39:27 to be continued :) ... Aug 30 21:39:41 tim_abell: yw Aug 30 21:40:11 oh. fine. "This is very bad. Enlightenment SIGABRT'd." from plugging in USB cable to PC. Aug 30 21:40:17 very bad indeed. Aug 30 21:44:27 [Rui]: i did get it fetch from local http, but not from a file... Aug 30 22:18:10 aaargh. task-shr-gtk depends on tangogps. Aug 30 22:24:16 what's the official way to connect to a BT keyboard in shr-t ? I have a MP-0118, emtooth does not ask me for a PIN, and says that authentication was rejected Aug 30 22:24:36 yann, you have to pair it before :) Aug 30 22:24:47 that's what I'm trying todo... Aug 30 22:25:30 yann, I'm emtooth dev. I'll ask you to pass me the output with some filtering in a moment ok? :) Aug 30 22:25:32 the keyboard is in pairing mode Aug 30 22:25:38 ok Aug 30 22:25:42 yann, btw, vala rewrite of emtooth it's nearly finished Aug 30 22:26:53 yann, emtooth 2>&1 | grep -v CRI Aug 30 22:27:05 paste the output of the entire process somewhere :) Aug 30 22:27:20 oh, I started emtooth from ssh instead of from illume, and then it asks me for the PIN Aug 30 22:28:16 but well, another problem is that I have no clue for that pin :} Aug 30 22:28:25 pespin_: still interested with the log ? Aug 30 22:29:03 yann, sure :) Aug 30 22:29:19 yann, at least to let you know your problem :P Aug 30 22:30:52 <[Rui]> ok, if I want to have a local build of a package which also exists in openembedded recipes, what should I do? Aug 30 22:31:05 <[Rui]> I already tried to use BBFILES+="path" Aug 30 22:31:59 pespin_: http://pastebin.ca/1929435 Aug 30 22:33:24 [Rui], I think there's an example on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR#Makingchanges Aug 30 22:34:23 <[Rui]> pespin_: yes, but that means I must *remember* to unset those variables when I don't want it :| Aug 30 22:34:25 yann, you have to be faster to set the pin :P Aug 30 22:34:36 <[Rui]> pespin_: previously, I only needed to bb -c build -b path.bb Aug 30 22:34:47 pespin_: btw, after the error popup, the "paired" slider is grayed and shows "yes" Aug 30 22:34:50 yann, that's due to dbus timeout. Aug 30 22:34:52 pespin_: how much faster? Aug 30 22:35:07 I have pressed the button much mefore the timeout Aug 30 22:35:12 yann, you could just let the default one. 1234 Aug 30 22:35:32 yann, and try several times, it's known to happend those timeouts Aug 30 22:35:40 ah Aug 30 22:35:46 yann, if you close the device win and open it another time, it will show as "no" paired :) Aug 30 22:36:02 yann, I have to try several times when I pair too Aug 30 22:36:07 right, but that looks strange:) Aug 30 22:36:23 yann, timeout? dbus+bluez stuff, no idea jeje Aug 30 22:36:32 yann, I'll look at it with new vala rewrite Aug 30 22:36:37 k Aug 30 22:36:49 thx, now if only I could be sure of the pin:) Aug 30 22:37:24 yann, afair default pin is 1234, you can use that one, and just press ok on the dialog :) Aug 30 22:37:33 ok Aug 30 22:38:15 [Rui], no idea, I'm a OE newbie, just read that some hours ago :) Aug 30 22:38:47 <[Rui]> pespin_: :| I'm going to have to try that anyways, if I want to see if I fixed omnewrotate with newer kernels Aug 30 22:39:03 [Rui], btw, I'm having rpbolem too with OE trying to add g_ether to a kernel. do you have any idea on what's the correct process? I don't get it inside the image neither in modules dir Aug 30 22:39:09 some oe 'experts' here? Aug 30 22:39:31 <[Rui]> pespin_: isn't g_ether *already* in the kernel? Aug 30 22:39:40 pespin_: I've also seen somewhere that some bt keyboards allowed to set the pin on the keyboard itself, so I tried a few things - hope I did not change it really:) Aug 30 22:39:45 [Rui], I'm using another kernel than linux-openmoko Aug 30 22:39:49 <[Rui]> ah Aug 30 22:40:12 pespin_: oh, emtooth just segfaulted... Aug 30 22:40:13 <[Rui]> pespin_: are you starting from shr's kernel config? Aug 30 22:40:23 yann, yeah, I got one which let you put the pin when you were pairing :) Aug 30 22:40:45 yann, (segfault) it's posible, it's badly designed, what why I made a rewrite hehe Aug 30 22:41:02 [Rui], I'm merging shr's and wing-linux one Aug 30 22:41:17 [Rui], it's a kernel for omap-850 (armv5te) Aug 30 22:41:39 yann, when I started emtooth, I had no idea about bluetoots/bluez, dbus, efl xD Aug 30 22:41:51 I started it to learn those in the process Aug 30 22:42:01 ah ok Aug 30 22:42:26 yann, but hopefully vala rewrite will be better writen and easy to support for new features :) Aug 30 22:42:41 (but heh! also learning vala with it :P) Aug 30 22:42:51 :) Aug 30 22:43:49 yann, have you tried your bluetooth kb with another phone/computer? Aug 30 22:46:00 not yet, I could on my desktop, just have to find a suitable howto Aug 30 22:46:28 yann, it's sometimes hard for bt kb. I had problems with mine. Aug 30 22:46:40 pairing was difficult, but one it worked, it was unusable Aug 30 22:47:08 it took sometimes the keys, but sometimes not. sometimes started sending the same key for some seconds Aug 30 22:47:16 :( Aug 30 22:47:37 I suppouse bluez4 has to get a lot better Aug 30 22:48:14 yann, pairing with kb was difficult (did it many times till it worked) but it finally worked! :) Aug 30 22:49:19 [Rui], this is the modified bb I'm using right now: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/256473/ Aug 30 22:49:37 damned, bluez.org is not what I call a helpful website... Aug 30 22:49:59 I have the kernel running ok in the device, but there's no g_ether.ko in /lib/modules (in fact the dir is void). Aug 30 22:50:06 yann, yeah, I know xD Aug 30 22:53:07 hm, there's no hidd any more in bluez4 ? Aug 30 22:55:13 yann, what's that for? Aug 30 22:56:01 pespin_: seems to be the program that's supposed to connect a BTkbd or mouse Aug 30 22:56:08 yann, bt input daemon? it's inside bluez4 Aug 30 22:56:11 now it's done with dbus calls Aug 30 22:56:12 <[Rui]> pespin_: ok, but I'm not sure I can help you :) Aug 30 22:56:39 pespin_: I see it on shr, but not on debian - which does not help to test with my desktop box Aug 30 22:57:00 ah, bluez-compat Aug 30 22:57:20 then the bluez4 package in debian has outdated info:( Aug 30 22:57:22 yann, afaik just pairing and connecting input using dbus is enoguh Aug 30 22:57:58 pespin_: not sure that connecting through dbus is available outsite of fso stack :) Aug 30 22:58:08 yann, it is Aug 30 22:58:22 yann, bluez4 works as a dbus service now :) Aug 30 22:58:28 yann, it's in org.bluez Aug 30 22:58:32 oh Aug 30 22:58:40 mdbus -s org.bluez :) Aug 30 22:58:58 Hi all, Do you know of any virtual keyboard for enlightenment that includes the function keys?, please Aug 30 22:59:29 hah, "hidd --connect" does work like a charm, nopin requested Aug 30 22:59:50 yann, congrats :) Aug 30 23:01:08 oh, my qwerty desktop mapping does not make it easy Aug 30 23:01:23 lets just try on shhr now Aug 30 23:04:28 pespin_: works like a charm as well Aug 30 23:04:51 yann, great :D Aug 30 23:04:57 thanks for your help! Aug 30 23:07:33 oh, pairing is lost when switching off the kbd, though Aug 30 23:14:03 pespin_: something like "connection remanence" could be a nice feature in emtooth, no ? Aug 30 23:17:22 current zhone (1:0.0.2+gitr193+bd1e895f73a0e5beb2608ebe111d7ef32ee3adbc-r15.5) on current shr-u complains about /usr/share/zhone/zhone.edj being corrupt... Aug 30 23:52:48 <[Rui]> my problem building a recipe with -b path? a bug in oe, kergoth already fixed it, only needs pulling Aug 30 23:55:41 <[Rui]> ok, glamo rotation has a bug Aug 30 23:56:02 <[Rui]> easy to notice with xrandr, so no need to use omnewrotate to find it Aug 31 00:10:14 <[Rui]> yay! down is up and left is right with xrandr in current glamo driver :) Aug 31 01:05:22 <[Rui]> g'night! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 31 02:59:57 2010