**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:58 2010 Sep 05 10:34:39 morning gnustavo Sep 05 10:34:41 hi GNUtoo|laptop Sep 05 10:34:44 ~lart tab completion Sep 05 10:34:45 * apt squishes tab completion like a bug Sep 05 10:34:59 mickeyl, hi! a lot of news: Sep 05 10:35:10 *keyboard mapping is better but still some issues with GTK Sep 05 10:35:18 and most important Sep 05 10:35:41 *-ao sdl fixes the buffer underrun issue totally Sep 05 10:36:03 it's a workarround Sep 05 10:36:36 but....If I can find why it works well Sep 05 10:36:44 well Sep 05 10:37:00 using the sdl just creates another buffer which shields your underrun issue Sep 05 10:37:08 anyway I'll ship this workarroudn soon Sep 05 10:37:16 by solved totally I mean it's big buck bynny proof Sep 05 10:37:18 ok Sep 05 10:37:33 I was told it has something to do with buffers Sep 05 10:37:46 mickeyl, is there an -ao sdl for pulseaudio? Sep 05 10:38:06 i'd be very surprised if pulseaudio had a libsdl backend Sep 05 10:38:21 ok Sep 05 10:38:22 you can tweak pulseaudio's buffers Sep 05 10:38:27 PA is very tweakable Sep 05 10:38:31 ok Sep 05 10:38:36 nice Sep 05 10:38:44 PA is great Sep 05 10:38:51 (except CPU consumption) Sep 05 10:39:03 mickeyl, do you think we should go pulseaudio? Sep 05 10:39:07 or keep alsa with the non-mmap thing? Sep 05 10:39:07 or fix mmap? Sep 05 10:39:24 mmap should be fixed in any case Sep 05 10:39:36 it's a feature requested by many apps Sep 05 10:39:54 because I've an mmap patch but buffer underrun are a lot worse,there is a fix tough but I don't know how to run the fix Sep 05 10:41:16 mickeyl, btw, very important: do you plan to fix the US/AU issue in fsogsmd? Sep 05 10:41:32 the CME error 30,CME error 100 Sep 05 10:41:57 that was 1) Sep 05 10:42:07 2) leviathan has or will get a geekphone for free Sep 05 10:42:16 to port SHR on it Sep 05 10:42:17 it's moslty similar with ours Sep 05 10:42:47 but it has a WEXT wif(same chip than freerunner) Sep 05 10:42:56 *wifi Sep 05 10:43:16 i have no idea what this error is Sep 05 10:43:24 so no idea how to fix Sep 05 10:44:07 30 is no network service Sep 05 10:44:15 what's the org.freesmartphone command to erase all sim contacts? Sep 05 10:44:15 100 is unknown error Sep 05 10:44:21 so that doesn't give me any idea Sep 05 10:44:27 ok Sep 05 10:44:39 how can I help for fixing that error? Sep 05 10:45:53 might try initializing by hand with AT commands Sep 05 10:46:30 ok Sep 05 10:46:58 do you want me to arrange you an ssh session on a phone where the network is problematic? Sep 05 10:47:12 badcloud: DeleteEntry ( si ), you need to iterate over (e.g. with shell for loop) over the i Sep 05 10:47:21 worth a try Sep 05 10:47:36 ok Sep 05 10:47:46 because I think it's an important issue Sep 05 10:49:45 because roughly we have that Sep 05 10:49:51 om-gta that are outdated Sep 05 10:49:58 palm pre that can't be bought everywhere Sep 05 10:50:04 and n900 that is not ready yet Sep 05 10:50:23 so in some countries someone has the choice between htcdream and n900 Sep 05 10:50:31 if he wants telephony now.... Sep 05 10:51:04 the only possibility is to fix htcdream now Sep 05 10:51:25 yo Sep 05 10:54:02 mickeyl: thanks Sep 05 11:04:29 badcloud: I could implement a DeleteAll, i'm not sure if that's necessary thoguh Sep 05 11:05:12 mickeyl: no need, I can't find org.freesmartphone.GSM anyway Sep 05 11:05:15 :P Sep 05 11:05:35 heh, why's that? Sep 05 11:05:46 running debian Sep 05 11:05:47 fsogsmd not running? Sep 05 11:06:14 qtmoko to be specific Sep 05 11:06:18 ah Sep 05 11:06:23 doesn't debian not use fso? Sep 05 11:06:36 hard to say Sep 05 11:06:47 debian as base distro can use everything Sep 05 11:06:55 depends on the actual distro compilers which middleware they settle on Sep 05 11:07:02 I c Sep 05 11:48:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd4a9e2fa7218 10/fsogsmd/conf/htc_qualcomm_dream/fsogsmd.conf: fsogsmd: conf/htc_qualcomm_dream: log fsotransport into same file as fsogsmd Sep 05 12:08:58 morphis: hey Sep 05 12:11:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r10962a96b4b7 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): msmcommd: Implement DBus signal for incomming sms messages Sep 05 12:11:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd1044be8744a 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): msmcomm: Fix some already available SMS stuff Sep 05 12:15:03 morning morphis Sep 05 12:15:27 hi pp Sep 05 12:15:30 err, papa-piet Sep 05 12:15:43 hey mickeyl Sep 05 12:16:48 mickeyl: morphis: X on palmpre needs some modules, you've got an idea how to put them automatically into an image? Sep 05 12:17:18 mickeyl: morphis: i thought of something like machine_rdepends_palmpre in xorg-xserver recipe.... but how :/ Sep 05 12:18:45 papa-piet: the canonical solution for that is to edit the machine configuration Sep 05 12:18:53 adding this to palmpre.conf isn't the right way Sep 05 12:19:00 says who? :) Sep 05 12:19:28 mickeyl: what if i dont want to install X Sep 05 12:19:37 then it won't be installed Sep 05 12:19:39 and neither of its modules Sep 05 12:19:45 grep XSERVER *.conf and see how it's done Sep 05 12:28:52 mickeyl: okay, thanks, i'll do that Sep 05 12:56:55 papa-piet, you've got palm pre? Sep 05 12:57:10 GNUtoo|laptop: yep Sep 05 12:57:36 papa-piet, you need to add xf86-video-omapfb and similar stuff? Sep 05 12:57:36 or kernel modules? Sep 05 12:57:43 I know this stuff Sep 05 12:58:39 papa-piet, btw how many people want SHR/FSO on palm-pre Sep 05 12:58:44 I think I'll buy a palm pre Sep 05 12:58:57 I would have preffered n900 but I can help more at palm pre Sep 05 12:59:01 GNUtoo|laptop: me want ;D Sep 05 12:59:22 GNUtoo|laptop: X complains about dri glx and dri2 Sep 05 12:59:25 ok Sep 05 12:59:30 it works without Sep 05 12:59:40 so you have 3 solution: Sep 05 12:59:48 *disable dri,glx,dri2 in xorg.conf Sep 05 12:59:56 *keep it this way if it works Sep 05 13:00:08 *add that in machine.conf and bump PR of the xorg task Sep 05 13:00:17 don't forget to bump PR Sep 05 13:00:17 it's very important Sep 05 13:00:58 GNUtoo|laptop: yeah I've allready learned this lesson painfully Sep 05 13:01:11 I was the one who pointed the problem with xorg Sep 05 13:01:13 and PR Sep 05 13:01:42 task-x11.bb Sep 05 13:01:46 that's where to bump PR Sep 05 13:01:53 SHR uses it Sep 05 13:02:46 GNUtoo|laptop: are there disadvantages if not using these 3 extensions? Sep 05 13:02:57 no Sep 05 13:03:18 I don't think so Sep 05 13:03:18 ask JaMa Sep 05 13:03:41 okay solution 2 for me for now Sep 05 13:04:08 anyway we don't have floss 3d acceleration Sep 05 13:04:52 papa-piet, you've got SHR running on the pre? Sep 05 13:04:52 does it boot? Sep 05 13:04:52 I mean a stock shr-image Sep 05 13:05:00 because you obviously need udev Sep 05 13:05:04 no devtmpfs yet Sep 05 13:05:58 GNUtoo|laptop: yes it boots Sep 05 13:07:25 so you've got udev? Sep 05 13:09:14 papa-piet, so you've got udev? Sep 05 13:09:35 GNUtoo|laptop: nop Sep 05 13:09:43 so how does it boot? Sep 05 13:09:51 some nodes must be missing? Sep 05 13:10:39 GNUtoo|laptop: how to find out/test that Sep 05 13:11:03 does everything work? Sep 05 13:11:38 GNUtoo|laptop: sorry I'm very new to embedded/kernel/everything Sep 05 13:11:42 ok np Sep 05 13:11:49 does everything work means: Sep 05 13:12:00 for instance if telephony doesn't work Sep 05 13:12:06 eg you can't make a call Sep 05 13:12:18 it could be because of some dev nodes lacing Sep 05 13:13:07 papa-piet_, I'm already so happy to have one more person on board(you) Sep 05 13:13:30 I didn't buy mine yet but I'll do it Sep 05 13:13:37 I need to find the time to do it Sep 05 13:13:53 because I must go far to buy it Sep 05 13:13:58 prices are outrageous here Sep 05 13:15:59 GNUtoo|laptop: not tested anything, like i said... so far i just have build shr with machine = "palmpre" Sep 05 13:16:11 it image boots Sep 05 13:16:22 papa-piet_, and maybe you were the first person to do that.... Sep 05 13:16:30 s/it/the Sep 05 13:16:39 so that's why I was very curious Sep 05 13:16:46 and it's so nice that it boots Sep 05 13:16:50 easier to debug Sep 05 13:17:14 yep got ssh Sep 05 13:18:11 some nicely running characters over the screen, Sep 05 13:18:58 ssh wow Sep 05 13:19:05 keyboard is working afaict Sep 05 13:19:13 how do you ssh into the palm pre Sep 05 13:19:19 yes but not fn+key Sep 05 13:19:42 do you have gpe-scap? Sep 05 13:19:42 possible Sep 05 13:20:33 GNUtoo|laptop: nop Sep 05 13:20:45 ok Sep 05 13:20:50 GNUtoo|laptop: hi. any news ? Sep 05 13:21:00 GNUtoo|laptop: ssh works out of the box Sep 05 13:21:22 dcordes, yes a lot: Sep 05 13:21:24 GNUtoo|laptop: I'm going on vacation tomorrow so I will have limited propaganda capabilities. What's up with the beta :) ? Sep 05 13:21:37 *buffer underrun workarround found: -ao sdl Sep 05 13:21:42 *bluetooth working Sep 05 13:21:47 *keyboard nearly working Sep 05 13:21:53 *sdl issue fixed Sep 05 13:22:07 and I made a youtube video Sep 05 13:22:14 awesome ! where can I find it ? Sep 05 13:22:31 search for SHR htcdream Sep 05 13:22:33 We can use it to create some rumors Sep 05 13:22:45 be sure to include the marketing name Sep 05 13:23:51 or: Sep 05 13:25:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZpbWc0vFlc Sep 05 13:25:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs4Z0It7mA4 Sep 05 13:25:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VnbG2uTHT4 Sep 05 13:25:03 rumors? Sep 05 13:25:03 dcordes, did you hear about geeksphone? Sep 05 13:25:04 I was proposed one but I told leviathan should get one first and he will have one Sep 05 13:25:24 GNUtoo|laptop: with custom bootargs for bootie i set ipadress of usb0 Sep 05 13:25:46 GNUtoo|laptop: I'm half way through with part 1 Sep 05 13:25:51 GNUtoo|laptop: no never heard of it Sep 05 13:25:56 dcordes, I only did the videos, I wasn't the one who put them on yourtube Sep 05 13:25:56 dcordes, so with that video maybe I'll get a geeksphone too Sep 05 13:25:58 I told to give it to leviathan instead of me because of my limited time Sep 05 13:26:18 ok Sep 05 13:27:05 what's it ? Sep 05 13:29:12 GNUtoo|laptop: does your battery monitor show 0% :) ? Sep 05 13:29:29 gnutoo: does your battery monitor show 0% :) ? Sep 05 13:36:36 sorry Sep 05 13:36:37 wifi+vpn issues Sep 05 13:36:38 dcordes, that's because of the lack of /proc/apm Sep 05 13:36:39 we don't have that either Sep 05 13:36:47 GNUtoo|laptop: cool Sep 05 13:36:56 GNUtoo|laptop: then we are in one boat yet anohter time Sep 05 13:37:00 GNUtoo|laptop: I got same problem Sep 05 13:37:08 GNUtoo|laptop: it shows everything but PERCENTAGE Sep 05 13:37:26 VOLTAG Sep 05 13:37:27 E Sep 05 13:37:30 etc can be read sorry Sep 05 13:38:06 shr-settings,lock-screen,apm can get you the battery status Sep 05 13:38:07 cool? Sep 05 13:38:11 because battery is handled by fso Sep 05 13:38:14 there is a wrapper to the /sys/class/power_something etc... Sep 05 13:38:21 percentage is shown Sep 05 13:38:50 cat capacity Sep 05 13:38:51 100 Sep 05 13:39:28 I didn't try fso but only gnome power Sep 05 13:40:06 ok Sep 05 13:40:14 gnome power is like our illume power Sep 05 13:40:21 it should only work with acpi or apm Sep 05 13:40:23 ok that explains it. Sep 05 13:40:26 not with android thing Sep 05 13:40:45 does illume power show AC status ? Sep 05 13:40:47 before that used hal Sep 05 13:40:52 no Sep 05 13:41:00 fso handle power Sep 05 13:41:05 then we have different driver Sep 05 13:41:07 illume can't Sep 05 13:41:11 ah ok Sep 05 13:41:19 look at that: Sep 05 13:41:51 http://pastebin.com/BuA1fqZG Sep 05 13:42:02 looks similar here Sep 05 13:42:09 can't boot linux right now Sep 05 13:42:13 fso can know if it's powerd or not Sep 05 13:42:20 in fact it changes the led color Sep 05 13:42:28 I notice you don't have a percentage file Sep 05 13:42:33 but not illume Sep 05 13:42:44 what android version is dream shipped with ? Sep 05 13:43:25 ok Sep 05 13:43:25 so do a GUI or something to get power Sep 05 13:43:25 like a script for instance Sep 05 13:43:25 so it's quicker Sep 05 13:43:27 maybe I could implement /proc/apm Sep 05 13:43:32 or look at apm emulation Sep 05 13:43:35 good idea Sep 05 13:43:37 try that Sep 05 13:43:43 try apm emulation Sep 05 13:43:52 yes but so many things fixed in kernel .. Sep 05 13:44:00 maybe it's better to also fix battery in kernel Sep 05 13:46:39 dcordes, I'll try apm emulation Sep 05 13:46:39 and see if it works Sep 05 13:46:47 I was disconnected again btw Sep 05 13:48:02 15:40 < dcordes> yes but so many things fixed in kernel .. Sep 05 13:48:02 15:41 < dcordes> maybe it's better to also fix battery in kernel Sep 05 13:49:21 ~lart telecom italia Sep 05 13:49:21 * apt lowers telecom italia's priority Sep 05 13:51:34 gnutoo: the htc-linux doesn't mention at all your page on fso...this would perhaps make sense to add it for those seeking free linux alternative for g1? Sep 05 13:57:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07cornucopia * r735ac9ecc55a 10/fsodeviced/conf/nokia_n900/fsodeviced.conf: fsodeviced: update nokia_n900 config Sep 05 13:57:43 dos1: :) Sep 05 14:00:28 vanous: I agree the page could use some additional information for users Sep 05 14:00:42 vanous: it has a link to a build page that links to shr buildfs Sep 05 14:02:00 dcordes: well, perhaps i missed it, so if i did, maybe someone else will too? but i know about the fso page.. Sep 05 14:02:26 i just don't want to make an account there, else i would add it... therefore the poke... Sep 05 14:02:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rea1535f1cdf4 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/nokia900/ (frameworkd.conf rules.yaml): frameworkd-config-shr: add nokia900 configs Sep 05 14:02:55 vanous: our wiki doesn't require registration Sep 05 14:03:05 vanous: http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream Sep 05 14:03:08 hi guys Sep 05 14:03:10 vanous: just hit the edit button ;) Sep 05 14:03:17 is the AUX button sending F7? Sep 05 14:03:23 on FreeRunner Sep 05 14:03:27 oh, really... Sep 05 14:03:41 vanous: but only if you are human Sep 05 14:04:16 i guess i passed :) Sep 05 14:07:01 huh, it links to openmoko wiki... Sep 05 14:11:37 crazy stuff Sep 05 15:35:49 <[Rui]> hi all Sep 05 16:28:36 lol : http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/66683d446207169fd9c2773fd2e2f292.png Sep 05 16:28:48 board : rx51 Sep 05 16:29:06 for the people who understand the joke Sep 05 16:29:16 at least it made me laugh a lot Sep 05 16:29:45 and I was envious about that : http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dc3dab3c364e469bd6c48de8d708f115.png Sep 05 16:29:56 (I will unfortunately buy the palm pre) Sep 05 16:30:19 not sure if I can get the pre before october Sep 05 16:31:16 hmm... Sep 05 16:31:45 hmmm about what? Sep 05 16:31:45 shr-settings should select another icon for the "Phone" button on non-gta hardware ;) Sep 05 16:31:48 the first picture? Sep 05 16:31:54 ah ok Sep 05 16:32:04 and I don't understand the joke in the first image Sep 05 16:32:05 did you understand the lol about the first scap Sep 05 16:32:08 ah Sep 05 16:32:15 you know the status of n900? Sep 05 16:32:20 no Sep 05 16:32:29 ah ok Sep 05 16:32:39 telephony doesn't work yet Sep 05 16:32:45 so now look on top-left Sep 05 16:32:55 I'd like a fully working debian with illume or illume2 and shr-utils on n900 *sigh* Sep 05 16:33:03 ah Sep 05 16:33:16 Wonka, someone is working on that Sep 05 16:33:23 cool. Sep 05 16:33:35 debian on gta02 doesn't work too well yet Sep 05 16:33:36 Wonka, look here: Sep 05 16:33:46 especially gps. Sep 05 16:33:51 is illume really that fully working? People keep suggesting "rm -fr ~/.e" quite often on IRC Sep 05 16:34:10 https://elektranox.org/n900/ Sep 05 16:34:14 Wonka: whoot, debian is not working? what it qtmoko? Sep 05 16:34:14 foxtrotgps depends on libgps19, fso-gpsd is incompatible. Sep 05 16:34:31 s/it/is/ Sep 05 16:34:31 gena2x_ meant: Wonka: whoot, debian is not working? what is qtmoko? Sep 05 16:34:37 https://elektranox.org/n900/screenshots.html Sep 05 16:35:10 altough fso2 won't be integrated in debian soon Sep 05 16:35:23 gena2x_: it does boot. I can run programs. didn't try telephony yet... ppp over GPRS works, afair. but it's all so cumbersome... Sep 05 16:36:04 is there noone who will make fso-gpsd compatible with libgps19? Sep 05 16:36:22 or maybe make gpsd compatible with gypsy? Sep 05 16:38:01 GNUtoo|laptop: GPS is necessary for me. I want something lixe foxtrotgps or omgps. Also agtl. Sep 05 16:38:54 Wonka, only gta02 and dream have gps for now Sep 05 16:39:14 I know. Sep 05 16:39:27 Wonka: I just use gpsd Sep 05 16:39:36 basically on palm-pre + n900 the gps use the same network protocol than the modem Sep 05 16:39:59 on dream you have NMEA with the floss activator Sep 05 16:40:21 lindi-: then you can forget both programs I know that display detailed gps status including satellite reception - zhone and omgps. Sep 05 16:41:03 omgps is not in debian Sep 05 16:41:11 even worse ;) Sep 05 16:41:14 Wonka: cgps and xgps show detailed satellite infor Sep 05 16:41:14 omgps is UBX specific Sep 05 16:41:31 indeed xgps Sep 05 16:41:36 I don't know cgps Sep 05 16:41:37 lindi-: cgps breaks on every SIGWIN. which occurs on changing away from vala-terminal. Sep 05 16:41:47 SIGWINCH Sep 05 16:41:53 Wonka: really? Sep 05 16:42:39 Wonka: indeed it seems, have you reported it already? Sep 05 16:42:51 here it does. switch away from vala-terminal, keyboard gets hidden. switch back, vala-terminal tries to resize its terminals, keyboard pops back up, vala-terminal again tries to resize its terminals Sep 05 16:43:07 no... didn't find the time to compile a report Sep 05 16:44:16 also, this terminal size yoyo game produces significant (unnecessary) internet traffic because irssi needs to redisplay the complete screen Sep 05 16:44:18 I don't use vala-terminal obviously either Sep 05 16:44:29 I do, even in debian Sep 05 16:45:34 what terminal program do you use then? Sep 05 16:45:47 I use vala-terminal and xterm(because I've gtk issues with keyboard) Sep 05 16:45:57 xterm Sep 05 16:46:06 btw, I use matchbox and matchbox-keyboard on debian Sep 05 16:46:08 ok Sep 05 16:46:12 xvkbd keyboard Sep 05 16:46:17 and icewm window manager Sep 05 16:46:23 with my own layout... de_DE with umlauts Sep 05 16:46:28 btw does someone know how hardware keyboard is handled Sep 05 16:46:36 I made a xkb file Sep 05 16:46:59 I load it Sep 05 16:47:07 I export that: Sep 05 16:47:08 GTK_IM_MODULE=xim Sep 05 16:47:10 Wonka: btw, it sounds like a bug in vala-terminal that it resizes every time you switch between apps Sep 05 16:47:10 and then only some key bindings are recognized in vala-terminal Sep 05 16:47:18 for instance alt+e gives é Sep 05 16:47:24 but alt+q doesn't give tab Sep 05 16:47:36 (under xterm or illume everything works) Sep 05 16:47:49 lindi-: I think it resizes because the keyboard had gone away Sep 05 16:47:54 lindi-: so there's more space Sep 05 16:47:54 same for the arrows like <- -> up,down Sep 05 16:47:55 Wonka: ok Sep 05 16:49:26 lindi-: in SHR $veryold, when you lock the screen, a black "band" with text "LOCKED" appears, the keyboard goes away and vala-terminal resizes... on unlock, the band goes away, the keyboard reappears, and vala-terminal resizes again. Sep 05 16:49:41 lindi-: no bug, I think, only annoying. Sep 05 16:59:58 papa-piet_, hi Sep 05 17:04:23 hi mickeyl Sep 05 17:04:25 how is n900? Sep 05 17:04:35 I saw that there is no battery integration according to the screenshots Sep 05 17:04:56 note that I'm on vpn with huge lag(dowloading gamerunner 0.2) Sep 05 17:07:38 Wonka: well now you have a bug report: https://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=17494&group_id=2116 Sep 05 17:08:36 lindi-: thx:) Sep 05 17:39:19 hi dos1 Sep 05 17:39:34 was it you that made the 2 rx51 scap on linuxtogo? Sep 05 17:40:10 GNUtoo|laptop: yup Sep 05 17:40:36 the last one made me laugh Sep 05 17:40:50 and the one before made me envious Sep 05 17:41:10 FSO TELEKOM....lol Sep 05 17:41:25 :D Sep 05 17:41:27 you've also an issue with battery Sep 05 17:41:41 I bet the nodes are non-standard Sep 05 17:41:44 GNUtoo|laptop: say that to mickeyl, it comes from fsogsmd's dummy modem ;) Sep 05 17:41:57 ahh ok Sep 05 17:42:01 that's why Sep 05 17:42:02 lol Sep 05 17:42:10 GNUtoo|laptop: well, battery handling on N900 is closed source on default image Sep 05 17:42:13 I didn't know there was a dummy modem Sep 05 17:42:24 dos1, really I thought it was only battery charging Sep 05 17:42:34 and there is a script Sep 05 17:42:38 that provide charging Sep 05 17:42:50 the dummy modem would be the only really predictable one... *duck* Sep 05 17:42:57 GNUtoo|laptop: dunno, i haven't searched for it yet :) Sep 05 17:43:09 I'll point you to the website Sep 05 17:43:48 https://elektranox.org/n900/installation/manual.html Sep 05 17:44:08 ahh nice Sep 05 17:44:11 a kenrel module now Sep 05 17:44:24 before it was a shell script Sep 05 17:47:21 thanks :) Sep 05 17:47:43 Wonka: now it has a patch Sep 05 17:47:48 GNUtoo|laptop: oh, solution to watchdog problem! i had to disable it :D Sep 05 18:04:52 <[Rui]> what about the meeting? Sep 05 18:06:03 <[Rui]> wasn't it supposed to start about now? Sep 05 18:11:54 [Rui]: yup, but i don't really know :) Sep 05 18:12:42 brb Sep 05 18:13:05 <[Rui]> brb as well Sep 05 18:27:21 <[Rui]> back Sep 05 18:43:38 hmm, where can i find how to use the bitbake compiler directly, not from within bitbake? Sep 05 18:43:54 i tried to get the toolchain, but it's 64bit only... Sep 05 18:44:19 vanous, that's easy Sep 05 18:44:22 bitbake devshell Sep 05 18:44:24 then do: Sep 05 18:44:41 source ~/embedded/oe/oetmps/htcdream/deploy/addons/arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-shr-htcdream-devshell Sep 05 18:44:51 adapt to your current path Sep 05 18:45:03 alternatively go in : Sep 05 18:45:20 work/armvsomething/yourpackage/temp Sep 05 18:45:28 and there is run.do.compile Sep 05 18:45:29 etc... Sep 05 18:45:42 GNUtoo|laptop: thank you Sep 05 18:45:51 baking devshell now Sep 05 18:47:04 ok Sep 05 19:00:00 GNUtoo|laptop: what is the "source" in your example? Sep 05 19:00:14 GNUtoo|laptop: how do you deal with propertiary firmwares in SHR on Dream? Sep 05 19:03:21 vanous, the devshell script Sep 05 19:03:25 you must source it Sep 05 19:03:44 oh, ok Sep 05 19:03:55 dos1, they are not redistributable so the user has to extract them if he wants them Sep 05 19:04:14 GNUtoo|laptop: ok Sep 05 19:12:41 vanous, then I bet you wonder how to use it Sep 05 19:12:45 you have oe_runmake Sep 05 19:12:46 or_runconf Sep 05 19:12:47 make Sep 05 19:12:47 CC Sep 05 19:12:48 etc... Sep 05 19:12:53 vanous, what's your goal? Sep 05 19:13:33 hmm, i was looking at tmut Sep 05 19:13:41 i can get it to compile via bb Sep 05 19:13:51 but was looking at latest git version Sep 05 19:13:57 but it seems it's the same... Sep 05 19:14:04 haven§t compiled yet though Sep 05 19:14:08 haven't Sep 05 19:14:15 ok Sep 05 19:14:16 then try oe_runconf Sep 05 19:14:16 oe_runmake Sep 05 19:14:16 ok Sep 05 19:14:16 whta's tumt? Sep 05 19:14:22 ok Sep 05 19:14:40 tmut is a tinymail demo implementation of a simple mail app for mobile devices Sep 05 19:14:59 1)what is tumt Sep 05 19:15:11 looks good but it doesn't connect in my case yet Sep 05 19:15:18 2)where is the clone address Sep 05 19:15:35 this is tinymail Sep 05 19:15:36 git://git.debian.org/users/agx/tinymail.git Sep 05 19:15:49 and tmut here Sep 05 19:15:50 git://git.debian.org/users/agx/tmut.git Sep 05 19:15:55 ah ok Sep 05 19:16:12 they have another git on gitorious iirc Sep 05 19:16:52 ok Sep 05 19:16:52 you want the debian one Sep 05 19:16:52 ? Sep 05 19:17:37 well, i tried on my deb laptop before Sep 05 19:17:59 this is the other repo in fact Sep 05 19:18:00 git://gitorious.org/tinymail/tmut.git Sep 05 19:18:12 git://gitorious.org/tinymail/tinymail.git Sep 05 19:18:34 and that is more recent in fact Sep 05 19:30:28 <[Rui]> dos1: btw, congrats in getting shr to boot on n900 :) Sep 05 19:49:27 lindi-: was just about to say "that's fast", but then I saw the patch is from you... ;) Sep 05 19:56:00 dos1, [Rui] indeed, no serial port means that in case of problem you only have the framebuffer to print what happens Sep 05 19:58:49 hmm Sep 05 19:58:55 dbus-daemon eats 100% CPU Sep 05 19:59:27 and now lists scrolls with the same speed, as they do normally on freerunner :D Sep 05 20:02:28 <[Rui]> dos1: are you using the proprietary graphics driver or vesa? :) Sep 05 20:02:44 omapfb Sep 05 20:03:11 <[Rui]> dos1: just read the commit mail! Sep 05 20:03:30 <[Rui]> how good is it? Sep 05 20:03:52 scrolling is real smooth :) Sep 05 20:04:02 but i haven't really stressed it out :P Sep 05 20:06:06 <[Rui]> dos1: neat! Sep 05 20:06:07 <[Rui]> well, so at 22 CET I guess there's no meeting :) I'll just go for dinner at a friend's. see ya! :) Sep 05 20:15:46 dos1: congrats, nice screenshot. one of these days, you need to tell me how you came that far. must sleep now though. cu Sep 05 20:26:42 gnutoo: hey. you here ? Sep 05 20:27:04 dcordes, yes Sep 05 20:27:28 gnutoo: ok I need to ask you a favor Sep 05 20:27:34 what? Sep 05 20:27:42 s/what/what favor? Sep 05 20:27:47 can you add the android part in http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rootfs/Userfriendly ? Sep 05 20:28:00 android part? Sep 05 20:28:27 replicant? Sep 05 20:32:01 gnutoo: http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rootfs/Userfriendly#Android Sep 05 20:32:12 gnutoo: fastboot and all Sep 05 20:32:19 gnutoo: I outlined what I mean in #Android Sep 05 20:32:24 ok Sep 05 20:32:30 I'll do it Sep 05 20:32:33 if I don't ping me Sep 05 20:32:42 gnutoo: it's urgent thing Sep 05 20:32:42 I'll finish an oe thing with vanous before tough Sep 05 20:32:46 ah ok Sep 05 20:32:49 I'll ask vanous Sep 05 20:33:08 gnutoo: some guys asked me to help boot ubuntu on the dell streak and this is just what is missing Sep 05 20:33:18 ok Sep 05 20:33:20 gnutoo: it will also enable them to ease shr. I will show them links Sep 05 20:33:25 ok Sep 05 20:33:44 the android bootloader specific part is the only thing that is missing. Sep 05 20:33:51 if you add it it's complete and I can refer to that page Sep 05 20:33:52 ok I do it now Sep 05 20:33:55 cool thanks Sep 05 20:34:14 gnutoo: will have to go to sleep today, will continue tomorrow again Sep 05 20:34:20 dcordes, if fastboot is proprietary is it an issue? Sep 05 20:34:30 vanous, do you have a mail? Sep 05 20:34:34 in case I get it working Sep 05 20:34:42 gnutoo: no not a problem. Sep 05 20:34:45 vanous@penguin.cz Sep 05 20:34:49 I'll brb Sep 05 20:34:53 ok thanks Sep 05 20:35:00 gnutoo: :) Sep 05 20:48:02 vanous: you are from the Czech Republic ? Sep 05 20:48:12 dcordes: yup Sep 05 20:48:34 vanous: you heard about that law to screw up copyleft licenses ? Sep 05 20:48:50 i pasted it here that time Sep 05 20:48:56 yes Sep 05 20:49:01 very bad Sep 05 20:49:03 ah that was you Sep 05 20:49:08 what is being done against it ? Sep 05 20:49:27 does the public know that there are many who hate the law ? Sep 05 20:49:47 i am not sure, i seem to fail to find some useful discussion about this Sep 05 20:50:10 but perhaps it's lack of my time to search for this Sep 05 20:50:20 but you know what Sep 05 20:50:27 it doesn't surprise me Sep 05 20:50:47 why ? Sep 05 20:51:31 i can see things turning to what "they" or me in my descriptions call "the crisis of the credit" Sep 05 20:51:50 let me find the link... Sep 05 20:53:05 http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/06/453356.html Sep 05 20:53:20 this is very interesting Sep 05 20:53:49 not on a peak oil crisis, but something bigger then that Sep 05 20:55:01 with my house taxes growing 2.9 times this year and some other signs... Sep 05 20:55:06 i mean Sep 05 20:55:16 not to be negative, just observing Sep 05 20:55:51 and the government trying to protect their income... Sep 05 20:56:53 my wife just showed me her work policies today - as a teacher on how can they/cannot copy stuff. i mean, it's perfectly OK to copyright some work Sep 05 20:57:36 but the copyright licencing gets some 140mil. czk from schools etc. as copy machine taxes Sep 05 20:57:50 annually Sep 05 20:58:02 crazy world Sep 05 20:58:06 yes Sep 05 20:58:52 very impressive - the post piratebay court pirate party numbers going up Sep 05 20:59:07 i guess not here, not in this country... Sep 05 21:00:37 I am not sure what to think of pirate party Sep 05 21:00:50 same here... Sep 05 21:04:04 dcordes, done Sep 05 21:11:56 GNUtoo|laptop: thanks a lot Sep 05 21:12:02 GNUtoo|laptop: I will let you know if they got it working Sep 05 21:12:09 ok Sep 05 21:18:55 GNUtoo|laptop: the problem is there is no kernel source code for the dell streak Sep 05 21:20:09 ok Sep 05 21:20:11 I see Sep 05 21:20:22 so extract it with a scrpit Sep 05 21:20:41 I've no such script here Sep 05 21:22:25 GNUtoo|laptop: they have config.gz enabled so I can get the .config but not the full source :( Sep 05 21:22:32 GNUtoo|laptop: somebody must sue Dell Sep 05 21:22:46 GNUtoo|laptop: the device is on the market for months and there is zero LOC Sep 05 21:23:02 GNUtoo|laptop: they even put a second kernel in an update Sep 05 21:23:43 ouch Sep 05 21:23:59 dcordes, first the user has to request the source code Sep 05 21:24:04 if he doesn't Sep 05 21:24:10 they're not obligated to give the source Sep 05 21:24:49 then if he did I know lawyers Sep 05 21:24:50 GNUtoo|laptop: I know enough people who emailed them Sep 05 21:24:59 or he ca go to gpl-violations.org Sep 05 21:25:06 or there is SFLC Sep 05 21:25:18 do they use busybox Sep 05 21:25:21 or something like that Sep 05 21:25:23 ah right Sep 05 21:25:32 harald welte has copyright on netfilter Sep 05 21:25:32 GNUtoo|laptop: somebody told me only the copy right hodler (kernel devs) can sue dell Sep 05 21:25:36 GNUtoo|laptop: is it true ? Sep 05 21:25:38 indeed Sep 05 21:25:40 it's true Sep 05 21:25:42 but... Sep 05 21:25:45 some are willing to sue Sep 05 21:25:49 like harald welte Sep 05 21:26:09 who has copyright on netfilter for example Sep 05 21:26:47 and he obviously follow gpl-violations Sep 05 21:26:49 so first Sep 05 21:27:04 a BUYER of the deivce MUST REQUEST the source code Sep 05 21:27:15 then if they don't give it Sep 05 21:27:24 it's a violation of the license Sep 05 21:27:37 so they violated the copyright of the developer Sep 05 21:27:42 and the developer can sue Sep 05 21:28:04 and in the US if the develpoer registered his copyright he can even get tripple damages Sep 05 21:28:06 now... Sep 05 21:28:18 how usually goes a lawsuit: Sep 05 21:28:40 developper: they distribute the software without my permission, they violated our copyright etc... Sep 05 21:29:07 defense: I don't know what they could say as their only license to distribute it is the GPL Sep 05 21:29:21 they could still try to confuse the jury but it will be difficult Sep 05 21:29:54 and the GPL terminates when you violates it Sep 05 21:30:11 so...thei're in deeep problem Sep 05 21:30:26 then the developer can restore the right to distribute stuff Sep 05 21:30:30 GNUtoo|laptop: I asked harald welte on twitter :D Sep 05 21:30:31 at least for his part Sep 05 21:30:36 ok Sep 05 21:30:53 GNUtoo|laptop: I also asked the dell streak users to describe the situation on gpl-violations.org Sep 05 21:31:00 ok Sep 05 21:31:02 but they don't seem to understand dell breaks law. Sep 05 21:31:05 but very important Sep 05 21:31:09 the archive is empty Sep 05 21:31:26 a BUYER or someone who get the binaries...MUST REQUEST THE SOURCE CODE Sep 05 21:31:37 else there is no violation at all Sep 05 21:31:41 it's been done 100% Sep 05 21:31:42 many did Sep 05 21:31:44 ok Sep 05 21:31:54 so next....gpl-violations.org Sep 05 21:36:31 ok I'll try to futher motivate people Sep 05 21:36:38 GNUtoo|laptop: are you in france next two weeks ? Sep 05 21:37:12 dcordes, why? Sep 05 21:38:20 GNUtoo|laptop: cause I'm going on vacation on cĂ´te d'azur tomorrow Sep 05 21:38:51 ah Sep 05 21:38:55 I'm in arcachon Sep 05 21:38:59 but I've to study Sep 05 21:39:23 and I will soon come back in milan Sep 05 21:39:36 so a trip to cote d'azur would be difficult for me Sep 05 21:39:49 I even don't have time to go to bordeaux to buy the palm pre Sep 05 21:40:22 cool boredeaux is not far from your place Sep 05 21:40:50 yes Sep 05 21:40:53 indeed Sep 05 21:41:30 did you ever go to nĂ®mes ? Sep 05 21:41:34 so I bet that if I can't come and you can't come(not because I don't want to see you but because it's far from where you are)... Sep 05 21:41:39 maybe fosdem then Sep 05 21:41:43 nimes, maybe Sep 05 21:42:00 I'm trying to make tmut work Sep 05 21:42:02 yes sure next fosdem I'll be there Sep 05 21:42:10 and I always misstype to tmzt Sep 05 21:42:11 lol Sep 05 21:42:33 27C3 is the word Sep 05 21:42:49 or that Sep 05 21:42:54 even better Sep 05 21:42:57 I can only go to fosdem Sep 05 21:43:02 how come ? Sep 05 21:43:12 when is 27c3? Sep 05 21:43:13 * dcordes always wanted to go to chaos event Sep 05 21:43:28 I got an university break when fosdem occur Sep 05 21:43:39 you don't get xmas break ? Sep 05 21:43:47 seems some guys decided to have international bacon day Germany, during 27C3 ;-P Sep 05 21:44:43 brb Sep 05 21:44:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_Day Sep 05 21:45:35 >>Some cultures, however, celebrate on December 30th...<< Sep 05 21:45:51 hacker culture, for example :-D Sep 05 21:46:44 BACON! Sep 05 21:48:43 lol Sep 05 21:52:42 :> Sep 05 21:53:04 GNUtoo|laptop: do you know if there is an affordable pre paird 3g internet option in france ? Sep 05 21:53:15 s/paird/paid/ Sep 05 21:53:15 dcordes meant: GNUtoo|laptop: do you know if there is an affordable pre paid 3g internet option in france ? Sep 05 21:53:25 dcordes, it doesn exist Sep 05 21:53:43 basically you have only year contracts Sep 05 21:53:53 crap Sep 05 21:54:00 that are illimited Sep 05 21:54:35 illimited means Sep 05 21:54:35 illimited to some GB Sep 05 21:54:39 indeed Sep 05 21:54:39 like illimited 2GB Sep 05 21:54:39 illimited 5GB Sep 05 21:54:39 etc... Sep 05 21:54:39 else there are some wifi-cafee Sep 05 21:54:41 find one that is close and that closes late Sep 05 21:56:13 and the prices are something like: 30E,40E month Sep 05 21:56:35 40*12 = 400 + 80 = 480 Sep 05 21:57:18 but I want 3g :( Sep 05 21:57:54 I've wifi + vpn because of closed ports and 100M/month + 2G on weekends because I'm not anymore in a holliday period Sep 05 21:58:04 dcordes, have you a home you own in france Sep 05 21:58:15 because I bet you'll also need that for 3g Sep 05 21:58:17 GNUtoo|laptop: orange mobicarte Sep 05 21:58:30 ok Sep 05 22:05:01 hi leviathan Sep 05 22:05:21 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Sep 05 22:05:33 the geekphone seems much a bigger bitch Sep 05 22:05:42 leviathan ? Sep 05 22:05:44 theres no tool to flash it under linux... Sep 05 22:05:46 leviathan, you got it Sep 05 22:05:47 as it seems Sep 05 22:06:00 GNUtoo|laptop: okee Sep 05 22:06:01 leviathan, you can flash puting the kernel on microsd Sep 05 22:06:06 ahh, ok Sep 05 22:06:25 leviathan, do you want me to ask the tuxbrain person to join here? Sep 05 22:06:37 hmm Sep 05 22:06:47 nope Sep 05 22:06:51 not now Sep 05 22:07:04 as soon as I got the postman with the phone ;-) Sep 05 22:08:51 ok Sep 05 22:09:34 leviathan, I hope you'll succeed, I said tuxbrain person to give the phone to you instead of me because you'll have more time than me Sep 05 22:09:53 because with my zillions of machines and projects.... Sep 05 22:10:11 GNUtoo|laptop: yes Sep 05 22:10:23 I think I'll succeed Sep 05 22:10:25 ^^ Sep 05 22:10:32 ok Sep 05 22:10:34 nice Sep 05 22:10:47 you only have to rebase kenrel patch and to re-do what I'll do for GUI Sep 05 22:10:58 or ask dos1 for Illume's part Sep 05 22:11:05 and ask me for keyboard part Sep 05 22:11:16 ok Sep 05 22:11:38 GNUtoo|laptop: i think I'll try to do upstream on it Sep 05 22:11:47 ... Sep 05 22:11:57 no Sep 05 22:12:02 as soon as it works Sep 05 22:12:03 :-) Sep 05 22:12:05 don't bother with upstream on that Sep 05 22:12:12 first do something that works perfectly Sep 05 22:12:16 yes Sep 05 22:12:25 then next step will be to ennoy daniel walker Sep 05 22:12:27 hmm Sep 05 22:12:33 I see its a more recent arch? Sep 05 22:12:35 O_o Sep 05 22:12:58 yes but our patch won't change a lot Sep 05 22:13:09 they use msm7k for sound/soc/msm Sep 05 22:13:18 at least rmcc did Sep 05 22:13:38 but he's far from us in term of fixes(we're better) Sep 05 22:13:52 yes Sep 05 22:16:20 I guess I'll sleep now Sep 05 22:17:17 GNUtoo|laptop: gn8 Sep 05 22:18:30 good night Sep 05 22:23:28 GNUtoo|laptop: ok LaF0rge replied he says he is on it Sep 05 22:23:37 ok nice Sep 05 22:23:44 dcordes, you know harald? Sep 05 22:23:52 http://twitter.com/LaF0rge Sep 05 22:23:55 not personally Sep 05 22:24:00 is he on identica? Sep 05 22:24:17 GNUtoo|laptop: I don't know. I'm twitter victim ;) Sep 05 22:24:27 ok Sep 05 22:24:32 I tried identi.ca Sep 05 22:24:38 but it took too much time Sep 05 22:24:46 so I stopped Sep 05 22:27:10 dcordes, indeed Sep 05 22:27:17 there is a thread on gpl-violations Sep 05 22:27:24 just saw that in my mail **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 06 02:59:57 2010