**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 06 02:59:57 2010 Oct 06 05:17:57 moin Oct 06 05:31:30 moin Oct 06 06:17:57 moin Oct 06 06:18:32 PaulFertser: thanks... copied it to my n900 folder to not loose it :) Oct 06 06:18:40 mrmoku: :) Oct 06 06:19:28 mrmoku: in fact i asked all my "followers" on juick (twitter-like but less limited service) to help me with my keyb config. Nobody did, so i had to dive in myself. :| Oct 06 06:20:03 which keyboard config? Oct 06 06:20:24 PaulFertser: and now they will follow you and do it that way :P Oct 06 06:21:16 mrmoku: they all are pretty much "ok" with the default i guess. It's me who had to remap the left Ctrl because my little finger started to ache from emacsing. Oct 06 06:21:56 kernel or xkb? Oct 06 06:22:08 tmzt_: kernel Oct 06 06:22:12 khorben: xkb Oct 06 06:22:15 Fuck Oct 06 06:22:19 tmzt_: xkb Oct 06 06:22:26 I've started learning xkb Oct 06 06:22:30 tmzt_: i needed remapping for my laptop. Oct 06 06:22:39 tmzt_: http://paste.debian.net/93586/ Oct 06 06:22:39 even got a mousekeys thing mostly working with arrows Oct 06 06:23:24 what's voidsymbol instead of nosymbol? Oct 06 06:24:24 tmzt_: i do not really remember, i guess it's needed for modifier-keys. Oct 06 06:25:16 hmm Oct 06 06:25:18 it could help Oct 06 06:25:36 nosymbol might prevent it from going to the next step Oct 06 06:25:54 I have to map ctrl-shft-bksp to kill server Oct 06 06:26:08 but also want bksp for default mouse button in mouse keys Oct 06 06:26:19 (want enter but it breaks too much during testing) Oct 06 06:26:35 but I also want normal bksp Oct 06 06:54:57 morning Oct 06 07:18:47 moin daniele_athome Oct 06 07:19:13 morning JaMa Oct 06 07:23:21 how do i prevent libtool to add -pthread to every binary it links? Oct 06 07:23:23 :S Oct 06 07:23:27 can't find a way to remove it Oct 06 08:05:31 JaMa: is the python-elementary_svn.bb part of this commit really correct? http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=b9dcc0a1e8b4bb7fc2618071119d0c7946df5c25 Oct 06 08:06:33 Heinervdm: afaik yes, the versioning was united in all python bindings, but I'll recheck Oct 06 08:06:49 JaMa: ok Oct 06 08:07:14 it just looks a bit strange to remove PV Oct 06 08:07:56 Heinervdm: see r52935 Oct 06 08:08:13 Heinervdm: it's because PV is defined in python-efl.inc and elementary had exception Oct 06 08:08:29 ok Oct 06 09:57:15 <[Rui]> morning! Oct 06 09:57:25 morning Oct 06 10:07:39 <[Rui]> if I upgrade now, will it already include yesterday's changes to EFL? Oct 06 10:10:37 no Oct 06 10:10:48 it's not even built on buildhost Oct 06 10:11:06 and with recent vala changes we need mickey to fix libfsotransport at least to build it Oct 06 10:11:26 [Rui]: also I have now all desktop icons in 1 column Oct 06 10:11:48 [Rui]: I guess it's because now there are text labels with application names bellow it Oct 06 10:13:46 <[Rui]> ok Oct 06 10:14:26 <[Rui]> JaMa: weren't there labels before? Oct 06 10:15:02 not sure.. maybe they were small enough for me to ignore them Oct 06 10:15:28 and maybe it's because of something else I have in my branch.. Oct 06 10:15:48 you can try to upgrade from tests/shr-unstable later today when it's almost build Oct 06 10:15:58 NOTE: Running task 2152 of 18960 Oct 06 10:16:43 there were labels before the upgrade Oct 06 11:11:29 <[Rui]> :P Oct 06 11:11:31 <[Rui]> Just thought about something! Oct 06 11:11:32 <[Rui]> We compile mame for the openmoko Oct 06 11:11:32 <[Rui]> and stick a proper joystick to the usbhost plug :PY Oct 06 11:11:32 <[Rui]> AWESOMENESS! Oct 06 11:11:32 <[Rui]> <[Rui]> lol Oct 06 11:12:44 battery run time? Oct 06 12:04:58 [Rui], hello Oct 06 12:05:07 i'm trying to drop usage of glib Oct 06 12:05:13 replacing some useful functions with macros Oct 06 12:13:52 but some of them are really useful Oct 06 12:55:58 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: easy Oct 06 12:56:13 [Rui], i'm quickly rewriting them Oct 06 12:56:17 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: I only haven't dropped glib entirely in elmdentica because of GRegex Oct 06 12:56:18 using macros for now :) Oct 06 12:56:27 <[Rui]> so there's *reasons* not to drop :) Oct 06 12:56:43 <[Rui]> but for GLists, gboolean, etc... eina is complete Oct 06 12:56:45 [Rui], i was thinking about executable being small without it Oct 06 12:57:11 <[Rui]> it's smaller, and faster if you don't use glib much, but glib isn't that big an overhead either. Oct 06 12:57:13 [Rui], we'll see in the close future: if there will be lot of functions for which glib is needed, i will include it back Oct 06 12:57:36 for now i succeded to replace all my needs with macros :) Oct 06 12:57:42 you'll see with the next commit Oct 06 12:57:55 <[Rui]> :) Oct 06 13:06:49 <[Rui]> huh? aren't those m4's supposed to be there? Oct 06 13:16:37 [Rui], i deleted the generated ones Oct 06 13:16:47 i don't want autotools garbage in my source tree :P Oct 06 13:16:59 <[Rui]> yeah, but I thought they should be there Oct 06 13:17:12 [Rui], in distributed source packages yes they should be Oct 06 13:17:16 but not in git :) Oct 06 13:17:52 isn't get where you create your distributed source packages from ? :P Oct 06 13:17:54 <[Rui]> ok you could add them to .gitignore as well Oct 06 13:17:56 s/get/git/ Oct 06 13:17:56 mrmoku meant: isn't git where you create your distributed source packages from ? :P Oct 06 13:18:15 ahh Oct 06 13:18:19 the generated ones Oct 06 13:18:20 sure :) Oct 06 13:18:22 <[Rui]> so they don't show up on git status Oct 06 13:18:54 [Rui]: they don't belong there... adding them to .gitignore before comitting is good ;) Oct 06 13:20:37 [Rui], they are in .gitignore, i prefer to have a clean tree anyway :) Oct 06 13:20:39 :P Oct 06 13:21:05 <[Rui]> autoreconf creates the files if it they don't exist (like in first run?) Oct 06 13:21:32 <[Rui]> because as things were you could just make dist-gzip and be done with it :) Oct 06 13:24:34 <[Rui]> well, learning and applying to elmdentica as well. Oct 06 13:28:27 heh as I said I have only one column of icons on gta02, there are only 3 on n900 Oct 06 13:33:27 JaMa, [Rui] reading log a bit, that 1 column icons in desktop... couldn't be that size is specifieed as BIG in illume settings? Oct 06 13:34:18 pespin: no this is for tiny :) Oct 06 13:34:42 there is big padding afound icons Oct 06 13:35:16 ok ;) Oct 06 13:35:36 [Rui], first reorganisation is done Oct 06 13:35:45 i have created a very basic main menu Oct 06 13:35:58 and converted all usages of GList into Eina_List Oct 06 13:36:29 [Rui], are you brazilian? Oct 06 13:36:38 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: no, Portuguese Oct 06 13:36:40 ok Oct 06 13:36:58 [Rui], i wonder what those files in po/ are needed for Oct 06 13:37:08 the *quot* files Oct 06 13:37:38 <[Rui]> I don't understand the whole lot of them, it was hard enough to autotoolize elmdentica .) Oct 06 13:37:46 mmm Oct 06 13:38:04 anyway i'm commenting LINGUAS file because there is no .po file yet :) Oct 06 13:39:13 pushed! Oct 06 13:39:18 got work now Oct 06 13:39:19 bbl Oct 06 13:40:33 <[Rui]> it didn't do any harm to be there Oct 06 13:40:35 <[Rui]> see ya Oct 06 13:41:17 [Rui], the languages inside the LINGUAS file was preventing a correct build Oct 06 13:41:25 <[Rui]> weird, not here Oct 06 13:41:25 ie make got an error Oct 06 13:41:33 mmm Oct 06 13:41:38 <[Rui]> ah, but you changed some gettext stuff into intltool Oct 06 13:41:42 <[Rui]> maybe because of that Oct 06 13:41:47 i see Oct 06 13:41:58 we'll get into this later... gettext support is not urgent :) Oct 06 13:42:17 <[Rui]> I hate to commit & break, so I usually test with make install before committing Oct 06 13:42:30 <[Rui]> that's how I knew I had commit a working piece of code Oct 06 13:43:40 [Rui], of course, mistake was mine ;) Oct 06 14:08:23 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: I think the changes you did to AC_INIT broke make dist-gzip Oct 06 14:08:54 [Rui], you mean for the LINGUAS issue? Oct 06 14:09:01 <[Rui]> no, sorry, my bad Oct 06 14:09:06 <[Rui]> I put url instead of app name Oct 06 14:09:51 <[Rui]> or better yet, forgot to change that field Oct 06 14:09:55 <[Rui]> brb Oct 06 14:10:01 ok Oct 06 14:25:03 daniele_athome: e-mail for you on oe-devel [PATCH] mokosuite2: Add `libfakekey` and `vala-native` to DEPENDS. Oct 06 14:25:31 mmm... did i forgot to add them to the recipe? :( Oct 06 14:25:46 thanks JaMa, would you add them to OE please? Oct 06 14:25:54 i'll add them to my copy of the recipe Oct 06 14:27:13 daniele_athome: sure.. I've already replied Oct 06 14:27:17 thanks Oct 06 14:27:54 (pushed) Oct 06 14:44:35 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: rewriting as vala? Oct 06 14:44:47 [Rui], what? Oct 06 14:44:55 you mean mokosuite? Oct 06 14:45:04 nooo :) it's just a dbus server object Oct 06 14:45:06 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: forget it, swapped mokosuite2 with mokojeweled :) Oct 06 14:45:30 :) Oct 06 15:00:30 <[Rui]> I see you have now an Exit option in the menu... Oct 06 15:00:44 <[Rui]> I'd advise to take it out and let that job for the softkey Oct 06 15:02:26 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: when you want to update the pot and po files, you'll need to call make update-po Oct 06 15:03:01 [Rui], i don't agree for the exit button for two reasons Oct 06 15:03:19 1) the desktop environment could not be illume (e.g. mokosuite :) Oct 06 15:03:38 2) it's a game, games must have an exit button... it's like a rule for me :) Oct 06 15:03:42 <[Rui]> Bind Esc or Ctrl-W (elementary will get shortcuts soon) Oct 06 15:03:58 <[Rui]> but ok Oct 06 15:04:12 [Rui], anyway mokowm uses the AUX button to close the current window Oct 06 15:04:31 however if we'll need space for other buttons i'll consider to remove it Oct 06 15:05:10 <[Rui]> it's just that when you design for small screen areas, you need to eleminate extra cruft (which is one of the things I aim to do with the edje-fication of elmdentica, improve that even further without making teeny buttons) Oct 06 15:05:30 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: now you have pt_PT translation ;) Oct 06 15:05:34 <[Rui]> just as an example Oct 06 15:05:57 do i? Oct 06 15:06:29 eheh :) nice Oct 06 15:06:32 thanks [Rui] Oct 06 15:06:44 <[Rui]> oops, did something wrong frixing Oct 06 15:07:47 i'm creating a bitbake recipe in the meanwhile Oct 06 15:08:15 <[Rui]> just copy mokojeweled.pot to it_IT.po, add it_IT.po to LINGUAS, then make update-po, then push :) Oct 06 15:09:30 [Rui], i saw you named the pt translation "mokojeweled.pt_PT" shouldn't it named "pt_PT.po"? Oct 06 15:10:09 <[Rui]> yeah, that's what I was fixing :) Oct 06 15:10:17 <[Rui]> it's already pushed, I think Oct 06 15:10:30 ok Oct 06 15:10:40 got it Oct 06 15:11:33 JaMa, what category should I use in recipe? and in .desktop file? Oct 06 15:11:36 for mokojeweled i mean Oct 06 15:12:33 mmm... x11/games Oct 06 15:13:18 yup something like that, not sure if there is list of std set Oct 06 15:13:32 bye Oct 06 15:17:46 [Rui], i pushed recipe and desktop file Oct 06 15:18:05 but not the application icon Oct 06 15:18:07 <[Rui]> cool, I can contribute an rpm spec too Oct 06 15:18:14 later i will find something Oct 06 15:18:38 [Rui] sure Oct 06 15:18:41 got to go now Oct 06 15:18:44 i will return in 2 hours Oct 06 16:07:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5f436b0997fd 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/basetransport.vala: libfsotransport: fix invalid void* pointer arithmetic Oct 06 16:13:26 JaMa|Sports: feel free to push the private/public in fsogsmd Oct 06 17:11:25 JaMa|Sports!!!! Oct 06 17:11:45 i forgot to tell you that libfakekey is for mokown and vala-native is for mokosuite2 Oct 06 17:13:58 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: hi, make dist-gzip ; rpmbuild -tb mokojeweled-0.1.tar.gz => ...rpm Oct 06 17:14:35 [Rui], good :) Oct 06 17:19:36 [Rui], i see that mokojeweled.pot gets deleted on make maintainer-clean Oct 06 17:19:48 that file is auto-generated, isn't it? Oct 06 17:23:39 <[Rui]> it is generated, yes. Oct 06 17:25:32 <[Rui]> but I don't see it in the makefile for being removed Oct 06 17:27:47 [Rui], maintainer-clean Oct 06 17:28:07 <[Rui]> grep pot Makefile Oct 06 17:29:18 [Rui], Makefile in po/ Oct 06 17:29:33 [Rui]: rm -f *.pox $(GETTEXT_PACKAGE).pot *.old.po cat-id-tbl.tmp Oct 06 17:30:17 <[Rui]> ack... $(GETTEXT_PACKAGE) => didn't s/// it Oct 06 17:30:22 <[Rui]> in my mind Oct 06 17:31:08 :) Oct 06 17:34:32 [Rui], i'm keeping both svg and png because i have a problem displaying svg correctly Oct 06 17:34:45 but i'd rather use svg Oct 06 17:34:49 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: efl guys speak very badly of svg performance Oct 06 17:34:54 mmm Oct 06 17:34:58 i see Oct 06 17:35:03 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: I think the SVGs are very good as the "source" of the pngs :) Oct 06 17:35:22 very well, so let's keep them in git Oct 06 17:35:31 fixing Makefile.am Oct 06 17:35:47 dos1, others: LOL, kinda BSOD but this's more familiar to us: http://trojmiasto.gazeta.pl/trojmiasto/51,35612,8465339.html?i=0 Oct 06 17:35:49 <[Rui]> i put them already Oct 06 17:36:18 [Rui], i'm removing svg from EXTRA_DIST Oct 06 17:36:24 i don't want them to go in the distributed tar Oct 06 17:36:27 PaulFertser: hahaha! :D great! :D Oct 06 17:36:29 <[Rui]> at least the pngs were needed for edje_cc to work, and svgs are nice to have together Oct 06 17:36:32 <[Rui]> they should be Oct 06 17:36:58 <[Rui]> that's like saying you don't want the .c files in the tar :) Oct 06 17:37:10 [Rui], mmm... actually i'm thinking about generating png Oct 06 17:37:12 mmm... Oct 06 17:37:23 starting from svg i mean Oct 06 17:37:33 let's see some tool i can use Oct 06 17:37:47 <[Rui]> I'm not sure it's a good idea to make that part of the build system if it requires something big like inscape installed. Oct 06 17:38:25 let's see if there's something small :) Oct 06 17:38:53 mmm... librsvg2-bin Oct 06 17:40:23 mmm... perhaps i should keep both svg and png in git :) Oct 06 17:40:36 but i will dist only pngs Oct 06 17:43:49 mrmoku, where are the phoneui-apps icons in git? Oct 06 17:45:17 <[Rui]> git.shr-project.org Oct 06 17:45:29 [Rui], which repository? Oct 06 17:45:30 can't find them Oct 06 17:45:44 <[Rui]> libphoneui-shr Oct 06 17:46:37 [Rui], already checked Oct 06 17:47:37 i'll reverse-engineer using opkg Oct 06 17:47:52 <[Rui]> what do you need, an example recipe? Oct 06 17:47:55 daniele_athome: shr-themes IIRC Oct 06 17:48:02 mrmoku, checked that too Oct 06 17:49:20 mrmoku: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree;f=shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps;h=925c366becb39bf76914ab3cf0eacb1b3bf35fe5;hb=HEAD Oct 06 17:49:20 ehm Oct 06 17:49:27 "deprecated" eh? :P Oct 06 17:49:53 hmm... apparently not even there Oct 06 17:50:00 mrmoku, do you have a template icon or svg or xcf based on your icons? i want to make one for mokojeweled :) Oct 06 17:52:54 daniele_athome: we allways wanted that... never got it though... the guy who did them disappeared :/ Oct 06 17:53:00 mmm Oct 06 17:53:00 was an italian btw. :P Oct 06 17:53:05 mrmoku, wait a sec Oct 06 17:53:29 mrmoku: http://www.flavorstudios.com/iphone-icon-generator Oct 06 17:53:31 what about this? Oct 06 17:54:23 daniele_athome: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree;f=shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps;h=925c366becb39bf76914ab3cf0eacb1b3bf35fe5;hb=master Oct 06 17:54:36 bad thing... that repo is long since obsoleted Oct 06 17:54:46 that's the url i wrote before Oct 06 17:54:46 :P Oct 06 17:55:40 yeah, looks similiar :P Oct 06 17:56:34 daniele_athome: if Hire is still around in #telefoninux... bug him Oct 06 17:56:47 never known him Oct 06 17:56:57 ~seen Hire Oct 06 17:57:08 hire was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 536d 19h 36m 29s ago, saying: 'http://hire.mybrute.com/'. Oct 06 17:57:48 mrmoku: someone had sth like that... Oct 06 17:57:51 heh Oct 06 17:57:54 i had Oct 06 17:58:05 but i don't remember now, where i have it Oct 06 17:58:09 :) Oct 06 17:58:10 i'll try to find it Oct 06 17:58:21 in any way we should move our standard icons out of shr.git into shr-themes.git ;) Oct 06 17:58:31 we should put it on a trac page Oct 06 17:58:34 though it wasn't matching pixel to pixel with Hire's one, but was really close Oct 06 17:58:40 doesn't work gh :S Oct 06 17:58:42 i did opimd-utils icons with it Oct 06 18:03:13 have to use windows :S Oct 06 18:11:25 * daniele_athome is rebooting on windows to create an icon :( Oct 06 18:11:53 <[Rui]> ? Oct 06 18:24:54 * PaulFertser applauds Cristoph Pulster , he really likes that guy for his rough and emotional statements. Oct 06 18:27:36 freesmartphone.org: 03Martin.Jansa 07cornucopia * r4b80e40143ac 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: make repr and MODULE_NAME public to build with new vala Oct 06 18:41:22 it didn't work, even on IE8 :( Oct 06 18:41:30 but i found some psd Oct 06 19:00:48 no way :( sigh Oct 06 19:07:58 daniele_athome: "How to create a favicon.ico with GIMP" ? http://linuxproblem.org/art_19.html Oct 06 19:08:26 PaulFertser: ?? Oct 06 19:08:41 daniele_athome: i thought you're preparing favicons for some website :) Oct 06 19:08:54 oh no :) i was talking about shr launchers icons Oct 06 19:08:55 [Rui]: can you commit something small to eflvala for me? Oct 06 19:09:09 we can't find the svg to make other ones Oct 06 19:09:21 [Rui]: I would like to finish image build and don't want to add that patch to OE temporary Oct 06 19:09:25 JaMa, i'm preparing a brand new recipe for you :P Oct 06 19:09:59 awesome :) Oct 06 19:11:50 [Rui]: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271519/ Oct 06 19:14:06 mrmoku, i wrote to hire by e-mail Oct 06 19:14:11 let's hope he will reply... Oct 06 19:20:15 daniele_athome: good luck ;) Oct 06 19:20:32 IIRC we asked him multiple times to provide svgs :P Oct 06 19:20:40 mrmoku, by email? Oct 06 19:20:59 JaMa, pushed everything, the recipe is in the root of source tree :) Oct 06 19:21:06 SRCREV is commented Oct 06 19:21:17 JaMa, ehm wait i need to test it Oct 06 19:21:25 i was almost forgetting it Oct 06 19:21:49 daniele_athome: no, in here Oct 06 19:21:54 loooong time ago :P Oct 06 19:21:56 ah Oct 06 19:22:05 mrmoku, what did he say? Oct 06 19:25:11 JaMa, any note/hint for using gettext/intl with cross tools? Oct 06 19:25:21 config.status: error: po/Makefile is not ready. Oct 06 19:25:22 :( Oct 06 19:26:21 daniele_athome: don't remember... and my irc logs start on 14.2.2009 Oct 06 19:26:29 probably not early enough Oct 06 19:26:42 last seen on the forum was december 2008 :S Oct 06 19:27:57 mmm Oct 06 19:35:36 hmm. i think g-ir* needs some love that i doesn't use files from the host Oct 06 19:38:51 daniele_athome: normaly just inherit gettext should work Oct 06 19:39:03 JaMa, ok Oct 06 19:41:37 JaMa, inherit from pkgconfig is used only by libraries? Oct 06 19:42:27 daniele_athome: only by those who stages .pc files Oct 06 19:42:33 alright Oct 06 19:42:36 so yes mostly libraries Oct 06 19:43:35 JaMa: http://pastebin.com/upiW7rpW Oct 06 19:43:45 you see i don't use the standard gettext macros Oct 06 19:45:41 daniele_athome: insane.bbclass is only looking for AM_GNU_GETTEXT Oct 06 19:45:54 mmm Oct 06 20:03:14 autotools are starting to make me crazy Oct 06 20:16:35 mmm Oct 06 20:19:53 JaMa: config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/Makefile.in.in' Oct 06 20:20:04 now i'm using your configure.ac rules like in libphone-ui-shr Oct 06 20:20:47 mmm... autopoint! Oct 06 20:22:37 it works now :) Oct 06 20:30:35 JaMa: you may commit the recipe to OE if you want Oct 06 20:31:00 i've just tested everything on buildhost and on Freerunner as well Oct 06 20:42:32 JaMa, please take rev 7e7331ae3ba0f51d15abfd8382fa336a803ec411 Oct 06 21:48:23 this could be an interesting feature for customers maybe? http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM <- posibility of launching WinCE apps in gnu/linux phones Oct 06 22:06:04 JaMa: hello, since yesterday i have the next compile problem: /home/nschle85/shr-build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-intermediate-4.5-r12.0+svnr164562/gcc-4.5/gcc/tree-vect-patterns.c:414: error: 'vectype_out' undeclared (first use in this function) Oct 06 22:33:53 <[Rui]> JaMa: sure what do you want to commit? Oct 06 22:45:23 freesmartphone.org: 03daniele.athome 07libfreesmartphone-glib * ra8fbb2a68c6c 10/tools/dbus-rapid-bindings.py: Oct 06 22:45:24 freesmartphone.org: Hopefully fixed every GDBusProxy memory leak Oct 06 22:45:24 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Daniele Ricci Oct 06 22:52:57 JaMa: compile error gone, clean the correct .bb helped Oct 07 00:27:19 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r568d7b971110 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: Allow tab completion for empty busnames **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 07 02:53:27 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 07 02:59:56 2010