**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 07 02:59:56 2010 Oct 07 05:38:13 hi all! Oct 07 05:40:51 I took the nucleus from http://gitorious.org/replicant/gnulinuxkernel and add support for HTC Hero. But the core of the assembly fails. Here is the log http://pastebin.ca/1956195 Oct 07 05:41:21 somebody can help deal with this? Oct 07 05:46:48 [Rui]: it was in that pastebin :) mmt Oct 07 05:47:01 21:10:18 < JaMa> [Rui]: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271519/ Oct 07 06:21:10 KsenZ: you're still on an ancient kernel Oct 07 06:25:58 2.6.29 If I'm not mistaken, and files for hero, I picked up from 2.6.29 Oct 07 06:29:13 moin Oct 07 06:36:00 moin Oct 07 06:36:14 seems like usb port on my neo is dead :/ Oct 07 06:44:26 JaMa: ouch :/ Oct 07 06:47:26 I've emptied all 3 bateries in last 3 days (expecting only charging over usb from pc is somehow broken) and this night with last battery I had charger connected whole time and nothing.. empty bat in the morning Oct 07 06:50:09 :( Oct 07 06:50:45 that sounds bad indeed :/ Oct 07 06:55:49 looks like more time for n900 .. :) Oct 07 07:11:41 mrmoku: btw what do you think about switching to 2.6.34 on neo? Oct 07 07:13:51 JaMa: sure... any regressions? Oct 07 07:14:34 now with alsa states in fsodeviced I don't know about any Oct 07 07:14:44 then let's switch to it :-) Oct 07 07:15:03 maybe it helps solving the various SD problems around... Oct 07 07:15:11 dos was also for switch, so why not (at least one kernel version less to care about) Oct 07 07:15:25 yup I have less problems with uSD and .34 Oct 07 07:15:44 good :) Oct 07 07:16:16 JaMa: there was a patch from khem to fix eglibc for armv4... rebuild needed? :P Oct 07 07:16:43 mrmoku: no it's only armv4 without t Oct 07 07:17:34 but I'm not sure about previous eglibc/locale change, sometimes I see * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for e-wm-locale-cs: Oct 07 07:17:37 * virtual-locale-cs * Oct 07 07:18:20 and bootmenu author asked distros to ship /boot in jffs2 images again Oct 07 07:18:41 it's valid point for bootmenu but still wrong way for ie small gta01 image without bootmenu Oct 07 07:18:58 are there any bootmenu users? Oct 07 07:23:54 JaMa: ever since I wanted to give it a try... came not around to it yet though Oct 07 07:24:16 JaMa: ship it for gta02 but not gta02? Oct 07 07:24:21 err Oct 07 07:24:24 gta01 Oct 07 07:27:06 mrmoku: ah, bootmenu is probably gta02 only Oct 07 07:27:50 as he is also waiting for someone with gta01 to add those 4 patches to 2.6.34 Oct 07 07:29:15 heh, yes Oct 07 08:38:48 i'm surprised that there is motivation for SHR on N900. is the maemo that bad? Oct 07 08:39:06 (have not tried it so far, but thinking about the N9 if it ever comes...) Oct 07 08:40:25 or in general: what are the reasons for wanting SHR on the N900? Oct 07 08:43:10 because we can Oct 07 08:43:32 also, because SHR has many packages that seem not to be available on the N900 Oct 07 09:03:08 morning Oct 07 09:06:24 daniele_athome: spank! Oct 07 09:06:35 daniele_athome: you forgot edje-native in latest recipe at least :) Oct 07 09:07:01 oops :) Oct 07 09:07:02 sorry Oct 07 09:07:04 adding that Oct 07 09:07:16 (i have a memory leak fix too in libfreesmartphone-glib JaMa) Oct 07 09:07:26 (and fixing the memory leak in mokosuite too right now) Oct 07 09:07:39 daniele_athome: not sure about edje dependency? Oct 07 09:07:50 JaMa, no i'm sure Oct 07 09:07:52 Wonka: just wondering, i have never actually used maemo, so no idea how helpful it is. but as it's being supported by nokia, i would have expected more than it probably is Oct 07 09:08:02 daniele_athome: ok so just edje-native was missing? Oct 07 09:08:13 JaMa, yes Oct 07 09:08:16 ok Oct 07 09:08:16 i forgot to add it Oct 07 09:08:44 daniele_athome: also PR starts with r0 which is default so no need to declare PR Oct 07 09:09:00 ok i'll fix that too Oct 07 09:10:17 argh panel was taking 22% of memory after 5 hours usage :S Oct 07 09:10:24 lol Oct 07 09:17:20 anyway JaMa wait for both of them Oct 07 09:17:25 i'm pushing some modifications Oct 07 09:18:43 oh my... Oct 07 09:22:28 freesmartphone.org: 03daniele.athome 07libfreesmartphone-glib * r2a7752cd0934 10/tools/dbus-rapid-bindings.py: Oct 07 09:22:29 freesmartphone.org: Fixed signal handling and memory leaks Oct 07 09:22:29 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Daniele Ricci Oct 07 09:28:20 <[Rui]> morning Oct 07 09:30:02 JaMa: I thought it would be good style to add PR = "r0" too? Oct 07 09:31:16 <[Rui]> JaMa: committed. hope nobody beats me into a pulp :) Oct 07 09:31:43 [Rui]: thx Oct 07 09:33:16 JaMa, you may now bump mokosuite2 and libfreesmartphone-glib Oct 07 09:33:17 :) Oct 07 09:34:14 are you sure? Oct 07 09:34:30 JaMa, yeah testing right now, everything seems to work well Oct 07 09:36:07 bumped locally, will push to OE tomorrow Oct 07 09:36:34 thanks Oct 07 09:39:29 btw virtual-locale-* are broken in current shr-u :/ waiting for ACK from khem to push my fix Oct 07 09:40:20 mrmoku: there was some discussion about "r0" and it was half/half to add it or no, but definetely not r1 Oct 07 09:40:26 JaMa: if you already killed your gta02 USB, it seems you have to be really careful with n900 as far as i heard Oct 07 09:41:15 creeper_: I'll try to resolder it on gta02 first :) Oct 07 09:41:47 creeper_: and yes.. n900 connector is harder to plug/unplug so internal damages is probably more likely to happen then with gta02 Oct 07 09:43:06 * JaMa is a bit lost in those GTA02-core, GTA03, GTA04, AI ideas :/ Oct 07 09:43:47 last time it was "Openmoko Beagle Hybrid" :) Oct 07 09:53:37 JaMa: yup, r1 as a start is wrong in any case :P Oct 07 09:56:47 ffs I've removed rm_work and forget to add it later Oct 07 09:56:50 now no space Oct 07 10:05:39 JaMa: the problem seems to be that the USB connector on the n900 is SMD and breaks from the board pretty easily Oct 07 10:13:47 <[Rui]> creeper_: I guess that means that a fall can easily be pretty fatal, at least WRT the USB connector... Oct 07 10:16:50 JaMa, bump mokojeweled as well please :) Oct 07 10:16:59 i'll tell you the rev Oct 07 10:17:01 shit just pushed that one Oct 07 10:17:15 you were lucky ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast-forward) Oct 07 10:17:15 JaMa: caf3072c6c10114cb54fb5b35dfa89db3fd0ac75 Oct 07 10:17:24 rejected? why? Oct 07 10:17:40 what happened? Oct 07 10:17:57 lack of git pull before Oct 07 10:18:05 ok Oct 07 10:18:44 there's no score handling yet, the game plays endless, but it's fun anyway :) Oct 07 10:36:41 JaMa, another push with italian translation for mokojeweled, but it's not important Oct 07 10:36:45 can wait the next bump ;) Oct 07 10:37:00 anyway seems that the translations are not working... Oct 07 10:37:48 <[Rui]> in mokojeweled? Oct 07 10:37:52 [Rui], yes Oct 07 10:38:04 <[Rui]> pulling. Oct 07 10:38:07 maybe because i'm not initializing gettext correctly Oct 07 10:38:28 i actually never used it but I think i shall call some bind*() function Oct 07 10:42:53 lunch, bbl Oct 07 10:53:00 yeah, lunch sounds good Oct 07 10:53:01 * mrmoku too Oct 07 11:00:44 [Rui]: you need autopoint too now, right? Oct 07 11:00:48 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: translations now happen. Oct 07 11:00:55 <[Rui]> JaMa: autopoint? Oct 07 11:01:16 JaMa, btw i added autopoint in mokojeweled recipe Oct 07 11:01:33 daniele_athome: seen it there Oct 07 11:01:56 [Rui]: now it failesd with svnr53139 because of po/Makefile Oct 07 11:02:10 | autopoint: *** Missing version: please specify in configure.ac through a line 'AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION(x.yy.zz)' the gettext version the package is using Oct 07 11:02:13 | autopoint: *** Stop. Oct 07 11:02:14 <[Rui]> Didn't know about that consequence, probably yes... Oct 07 11:02:37 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: I pushed the fix for gettext calls Oct 07 11:02:52 i saw Oct 07 11:04:26 [Rui]: send me SRCREV for elmdentica when you commit the fix, please Oct 07 11:04:34 <[Rui]> doing so Oct 07 11:25:36 <[Rui]> Can't figure this one out... "config.status: WARNING: 'po/Makefile.in.in' seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting Oct 07 11:25:36 <[Rui]> " Oct 07 11:27:53 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: did you ran into it? Oct 07 11:28:02 <[Rui]> s/ran/run/ Oct 07 11:28:03 [Rui] meant: daniele_athome: did you run into it? Oct 07 11:28:11 [Rui], yes saw that Oct 07 11:28:22 seems it's not causing any problem Oct 07 11:28:36 other programs have that too Oct 07 11:28:43 i didn't get into it too much Oct 07 11:28:45 <[Rui]> Never saw it before Oct 07 11:30:53 [Rui], seems to happen when gettext version is old compared to autotools Oct 07 11:31:07 in newer autotools datadir is deprecated Oct 07 11:31:19 <[Rui]> ok Oct 07 11:31:19 and i guess gettext isn't updated yet Oct 07 11:34:04 <[Rui]> JaMa: I think I did all daniele_athome's fixes to mokojeweled in elmdentica as well Oct 07 11:34:22 <[Rui]> so supposedly 53140 Oct 07 11:34:46 <[Rui]> just let me see if my buildsystem os ok or not in order to try it out Oct 07 11:36:09 ok.. Oct 07 11:36:46 also trying here :) Oct 07 11:52:03 NOTE: package elmdentica-0.9.9+svnr53140-r1: task do_rm_work_all: Succeeded Oct 07 11:55:42 someone willing to try new images with newer EFL/FSO/kernel? http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Oct 07 11:56:23 I'll try only on spitz and n900.. Oct 07 11:56:33 <[Rui]> JaMa: well, I just found out that all I got from this 2.5 weeks of learning edje was... learning edje. I'll have to scrap most of my edje-fication of elmdentica as it simply will not work. Oct 07 11:57:06 <[Rui]> sometime this afternoon I'll give you a preferred srcrev Oct 07 11:57:15 <[Rui]> after I destroy most of the work done Oct 07 11:58:03 ah :/ Oct 07 11:58:33 I'm going to kill my tmpdir now to test new libtool-2.4 so I won't be able to build it soon Oct 07 11:58:51 <[Rui]> genlists can't have wrappable text in them Oct 07 11:59:47 <[Rui]> so bear that in mind, you guys who manage genlists in libphoneui-shr Oct 07 12:00:07 <[Rui]> brb Oct 07 12:00:30 mickey|office: Hi. Can I disturb you with few question about GPS in FSO ? Oct 07 12:11:22 [Rui]: is it the reason why I have only one column of icons? Oct 07 12:11:39 [Rui]: the text bellow icon is not wrapped or shortened to icons width.. Oct 07 12:40:22 * GarthPS downloading SHR-u image to test it Oct 07 12:49:10 wiki dead? Oct 07 12:49:20 <[Rui]> JaMa: excuse me? Oct 07 12:49:37 [Rui]: 13:57:23 < [Rui]> genlists can't have wrappable text in them Oct 07 12:49:41 what's wrong with the internets? Oct 07 12:49:44 <[Rui]> you're talking about the icons in the desktop? Oct 07 12:49:51 [Rui]: yup Oct 07 12:50:11 DocScrutinizer: yes wiki seems dead (nobody knows - at least nobody replied on ML) Oct 07 12:50:30 <[Rui]> JaMa: I don't know, is that a genlist? Oct 07 12:50:50 <[Rui]> I don't think so as the names have elipsis Oct 07 12:50:51 just fished a mail to community ML out of my spam folder - topic 'wiki dead' Oct 07 12:51:02 <[Rui]> I mean, the names like aren't textblocks Oct 07 12:51:12 <[Rui]> JaMa: that problem is wrapping textblocks in genlists Oct 07 12:52:15 JaMa: what do you mean by "nobody knows" ? Oct 07 12:52:19 [Rui]: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/53123 Oct 07 12:52:57 DocScrutinizer: that nobody responsible responded with some info from intrastructure guys Oct 07 12:53:12 "nobody knows why" Oct 07 12:53:25 hmmL :-P Oct 07 12:53:41 grrr Oct 07 12:53:53 <[Rui]> JaMa: ? Oct 07 12:54:03 I bet nobody from central services is following community ML Oct 07 12:54:42 [Rui]: can this change be related? or should we change it in our themes too? Oct 07 12:54:50 you better ping roh, gismo (or me) about it directly Oct 07 12:55:04 you should know Oct 07 12:55:23 ~seen roh Oct 07 12:55:31 roh <~roh@yamato.hyte.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 79d 1h 27m 18s ago, saying: 'i see.. will talk to him. tnx'. Oct 07 12:55:50 <[Rui]> JaMa: I don't think I'm already the best person to give edc advice, but it wouldn't seem like the reason. Oct 07 12:56:01 <[Rui]> Maybe it should be applied anyway, but I wouldn't say it's the reason. Oct 07 12:56:23 you always can ping me, I know how to contact central services Oct 07 12:57:05 DocScrutinizer: OK, I'll next time Oct 07 12:57:26 well, talk.maemo.org seems down as well Oct 07 12:57:42 * JaMa just noticed it on ML and didn't care much atm Oct 07 12:57:51 :nod: Oct 07 12:57:58 <[Rui]> wiki.openmoko.org and talk.maemo.org are related? Oct 07 12:58:33 I'll try to pester roh, if he doesn't answer I'll find out where my root privileges end Oct 07 12:59:01 rui: nope, except it's both "the internets" Oct 07 12:59:08 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: ah :) Oct 07 12:59:20 <[Rui]> I offered to help maintain the wiki, but nobody answered me. Oct 07 13:00:14 err, I wonder who's wikimaster Oct 07 13:00:24 isn't there a wiki ML Oct 07 13:00:26 ? Oct 07 13:00:37 <[Rui]> dunno Oct 07 13:04:34 openmoko wiki is down for several days now Oct 07 13:04:35 :S Oct 07 13:13:16 several days? Oct 07 13:17:48 *has been down Oct 07 13:17:51 sorry my english Oct 07 13:22:50 fsck english, what's 'several' exactly? Oct 07 13:23:15 DocScrutinizer, 3-4 days for my memory Oct 07 13:23:22 damn Oct 07 13:25:15 we're taking care of it. Gismo looked ito it and roh just answered to me Oct 07 13:27:53 Hetzner moved boxes. Some config isn't up to date it seems Oct 07 13:34:54 https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/bhavani/comparison-week.html Oct 07 13:35:21 'scheduled' fsck (after 2 years) Oct 07 13:41:00 JaMa: testing the image now Oct 07 13:41:37 mrmoku: btw I still haven't seen those garbled fonts in vala-terminal anywhere else then on n900.. Oct 07 13:41:54 JaMa: hmm... strange Oct 07 13:42:05 will see on the new image then now Oct 07 13:42:20 * JaMa will try without XIM (that's only n900 specific change I can think of) Oct 07 13:42:57 JaMa: what about the thread on ml about crashing gtk apps? Oct 07 13:43:52 mrmoku: my quick dbg shown xserver-exa and then glamo driver Oct 07 13:44:24 from dictator crash.. but then I didn't have another charged battery to install -dbg.. Oct 07 13:45:19 lo mrmoku Oct 07 13:48:35 mrmoku: looks the same without XIM Oct 07 14:00:57 hi DocScrutinizer :) Oct 07 14:01:37 mrmoku: 27c3? Oct 07 14:01:56 it's only 11 weeks until 27c3 Oct 07 14:02:16 but I guess that's not exactly a family event Oct 07 14:04:49 hehe... Berlin? Oct 07 14:17:59 DocScrutinizer: i'm pretty sure i have seen people using the congress for family vacation. hackers become old and get kids too at some point :P Oct 07 14:18:37 yes, Berlin. Yes, I've actually seen kids there Oct 07 14:18:43 JaMa: I get a kernel panic Oct 07 14:18:54 No init found Oct 07 14:19:47 mrmoku: hmm strange, uSD partition? Oct 07 14:19:57 creeper_: but in lectures you probably don't appreciate crying babies :-P Oct 07 14:20:04 that's true Oct 07 14:20:41 DocScrutinizer: anyway, the bcc is too small for all the people in the recent years. the distributed approach might not be that bad if they manage to provide stable streams Oct 07 14:20:43 JaMa: no, flash Oct 07 14:20:49 also, berlin is quite far for me anyway :P Oct 07 14:20:57 mrmoku: wtf.. it looks like gta01 image.. Oct 07 14:21:10 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20101007-om-gta02-testlab/files-in-image.txt grep for GTA01 Oct 07 14:21:26 hmm, there's nothing that beats the real thing Oct 07 14:21:27 mrmoku: right boot is in /boot/boot :/ Oct 07 14:21:38 heh Oct 07 14:22:13 last time I caught the (bio)virus of my life - nasty Oct 07 14:22:15 rebuilding image now Oct 07 14:22:28 JaMa: boot has gta01 and /boot/boot gta02 :P Oct 07 14:22:31 multiarch image ;) Oct 07 14:22:32 this time I get vaccination just in time :-P Oct 07 14:23:22 DocScrutinizer: /boot/boot? that's why my / is /dev/mmcblk0p2, my /boot is /dev/mmcblk0p1, and there is a link boot -> . Oct 07 14:23:30 eh?? Oct 07 14:23:38 ETAB? Oct 07 14:24:01 mmmh. more ECONFUSED... Oct 07 14:24:03 more like ENICK Oct 07 14:24:22 anyway, works fine for me that way Oct 07 14:24:57 and then there's /dev/mmcblk0p5 for /media/card with stuff like OSM tiles Oct 07 14:26:37 Wonka, the master of fstab :-P Oct 07 14:26:40 mrmoku: yup, probably because that mv boot while creating jffs2 images, but that does not really explain why you had it with kernel+rootfs in nand Oct 07 14:26:47 mrmoku: lib/modules seems right gta02 Oct 07 14:30:03 is anybody doing any OM/FSO related stuff on 27c3? Oct 07 14:33:33 when I'm there, which is not clear yet, I won't be opposed to do such stuff, although I'll mostly be CERT angel again. Oct 07 14:39:41 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: instead of new game openning an inwin with two buttons saying normal game and timed game, how about the new buttun having a timed check box at it's side which remembers the user definition? Oct 07 14:41:57 mrmoku: new lite image is done Oct 07 14:46:33 ok Oct 07 14:47:23 [Rui], eeeergh :S will you be offended if i tell you it's horrible? Oct 07 14:47:28 checkbox...mmm... Oct 07 14:47:44 <[Rui]> of corse not (to both) Oct 07 14:48:14 <[Rui]> The huge buttons so far are not much prettier Oct 07 14:48:43 <[Rui]> this would make it easier to start a game in the user's preffered form Oct 07 14:50:38 maybe i could consider the two buttons thing Oct 07 14:50:41 but the checkbox... Oct 07 14:56:53 [Rui], anyway the inwin was made to eventually insert other types of game Oct 07 14:57:07 <[Rui]> are there so many? Oct 07 14:57:21 <[Rui]> for this kind of game, I mean? Oct 07 14:58:59 <[Rui]> JaMa: how painful is the ts issue u mentioned? Oct 07 15:02:03 [Rui]: I've noticed it only in E17 settings (talked with raster about it and he said it's one of the places where efl itself does no filtering) Oct 07 15:03:09 [Rui]: but first time I just reported it as bug because no button worked ok, except "Close" because Close was only thing which cannot be dragged/scrolled/moved Oct 07 15:09:42 JaMa: still the same kernel panic - No init found Oct 07 15:10:11 mrmoku: don't you have qi-ubi and jffs2 or vice-versa? Oct 07 15:10:26 * mrmoku never played with ubi Oct 07 15:10:48 mrmoku: if you hold POWER to enable debug does it say something usefull? Oct 07 15:11:29 last time Heinervdm had also problems with jffs2 flashed with dfu-util.. Oct 07 15:11:47 JaMa: heh, nice kernel oops Oct 07 15:12:19 btw pushed that glamo timming patch to qi.. so there will be newer qi in shr-u too Oct 07 15:12:38 I'm not sure I've ever tried 2.6.34 + nand Oct 07 15:13:41 JaMa: and flashing with nandwrite worked for him? Oct 07 15:14:08 <[Rui]> so I should upgrade qi as well? haven't in ages Oct 07 15:14:09 mrmoku: I've tried nandwrite of same image on my neo -> worked fine here Oct 07 15:14:20 [Rui]: that's optional step Oct 07 15:14:34 <[Rui]> but has any improvement worthwhile? Oct 07 15:15:22 gena sent some benchmarks, here is in commit message about fps with theora http://github.com/radekp/qi/commit/b214400c048857e0f2156028bcd7a16397094a7d Oct 07 15:15:41 I've never used 2-4-2 before Oct 07 15:16:01 <[Rui]> nice Oct 07 15:16:24 <[Rui]> but I don't view video here Oct 07 15:16:37 i testes 2-4-2 a month ago and it caused system freeze from time to time Oct 07 15:16:37 <[Rui]> not on fr Oct 07 15:16:39 :( Oct 07 15:17:50 daniele_athome: are you sure it was due to 2-4-2? i have system freezes with 2.6.32 kernel on any glamo timings :P Oct 07 15:18:22 dos1, since i've restore the timings things go very well Oct 07 15:18:26 [Rui]: it's not just about video - it it's about overall graphics performance speedup Oct 07 15:18:45 [Rui], pushed latest modifications with basic level step and score progress bar :) Oct 07 15:18:56 <[Rui]> cool Oct 07 15:19:02 <[Rui]> 2x Oct 07 15:19:14 have to go now Oct 07 15:19:20 see you tomorrow Oct 07 15:19:41 JaMa, you can bump mokojeweled if you want, i'm testing it and it's stable for me Oct 07 15:19:46 to latest rev Oct 07 15:20:48 bye! Oct 07 15:31:02 JaMa: heh, guess dfu-util is broken in some way Oct 07 15:31:17 /dev/mtdblock6 is plain empty :P Oct 07 15:31:27 * mrmoku tries nandwrite Oct 07 15:32:59 * JaMa rebuilding from scratch.. NOTE: Running task 1637 of 9266 Oct 07 15:35:53 JaMa: boots :) Oct 07 15:36:31 better :) Oct 07 15:36:41 ohh... biiig icons :-) Oct 07 15:37:04 yeah, that's the problem of new EFL Oct 07 15:37:49 but on even newer EFL revision I have now on n900, it works again when I choose smaller Oct 07 15:38:04 on gta02 I had still only 1-2 columns even with tiny icons Oct 07 15:39:30 JaMa: ok, with small I have to columns of normal sized icons Oct 07 15:39:43 and vala-terminal works :) Oct 07 15:39:47 * mrmoku dinner now Oct 07 15:39:53 ahh Oct 07 15:40:04 but fso did not Oct 07 15:40:09 * mrmoku rebuilds while eating Oct 07 15:40:11 bbl Oct 07 15:52:37 mrmoku, hi Oct 07 16:08:25 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: hi Oct 07 16:08:39 [Rui], hi Oct 07 16:16:44 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Oct 07 16:16:53 JaMa|Away: GSM does not work Oct 07 16:16:59 * mrmoku advises not sync ;) Oct 07 16:16:59 mrmoku, what's the 2.6.35 status for n900? Oct 07 16:17:02 ok Oct 07 16:17:06 ~nf Oct 07 16:17:07 The #openmoko-cdevel Newsflash Bulletin Board. (continued at ~NF2. For help see ~NF-help) - - - Recommended URLs and channels(chanlogs etc):see ~RL - - - NEWSFLASH [2010-10-07] wiki is down, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-October/063395.html Oct 07 16:17:29 GNUtoo|laptop: I'm carefully watching linux-kernel and linux-omap lists for interesting stuff Oct 07 16:17:34 ok Oct 07 16:17:42 nothing new on meego side Oct 07 16:17:50 ok Oct 07 16:18:04 my n900 battery is discharged again Oct 07 16:18:08 :/ Oct 07 16:18:13 is the power down of 2.6.35 fixed? Oct 07 16:18:30 not in meego Oct 07 16:19:01 well, I did not try... but there was nothing I saw that would have fixed it Oct 07 16:21:07 so basically we have a non-working phone because Oct 07 16:21:15 we can't power it down Oct 07 16:21:16 or Oct 07 16:21:23 we can't boot it correctly Oct 07 16:21:28 so Oct 07 16:21:33 maybe we should fix the boot issue Oct 07 16:21:56 maybe we should ask someone who has serial to test a kernel Oct 07 16:21:59 and to report Oct 07 16:22:05 what there is on serial Oct 07 16:22:37 mrmoku: PS1 on buildhost also advises not to sync and I agree :) Oct 07 16:23:00 JaMa|Away: heh, ok :) Oct 07 16:23:36 wow ,weird! since th flash of the image and kernel that JaMa wanted feedback I don't have usb connection at all! no charging as well. and the most weird is that under qtmokov26 it is the same now! I really don't understand...a special effect of the 2.6.34 kernel ? Oct 07 16:23:50 mrmoku: anything interesting in log? Oct 07 16:24:24 GarthPS: you have charging when you flash 2.6.32 back? Oct 07 16:24:50 maybe that's the problem on my neo, but same kernel worked fine here before Oct 07 16:24:56 JaMa: I am flashing it with the normal shr-u image and the I hope SO!! Oct 07 16:25:04 JaMa|Away: have ssh not working and a baby crying in my arm Oct 07 16:25:08 have to look a bit later :P Oct 07 16:25:15 sure Oct 07 16:25:28 GarthPS: please try Oct 07 16:26:09 JaMa|Away: yeah. it is flashing.. Oct 07 16:26:59 change "and the" by "and then" in my 2 last post Oct 07 16:32:14 JaMa|Away: hmm... complete hang now Oct 07 16:32:24 (after unplugging/replugging usb) Oct 07 16:33:13 ~hail whoever fixed 8s forced shutdown :P Oct 07 16:33:14 * apt bows down to whoever fixed 8s forced shutdown :P and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Oct 07 16:34:01 * JaMa|Away points to radekp Oct 07 16:35:14 IMO it's very usable Oct 07 16:35:54 oki, i'd rather have phone which does not need such feature, but now it's more comfortable then pulling off battery Oct 07 16:37:50 radekp: for sure :) And it is a long road to not have to from time to time :/ Oct 07 16:38:45 JaMa|Away: it does not charge either Oct 07 16:38:56 JaMa|Away: maybe your usb problems are not hw related? :P Oct 07 16:39:23 mrmoku: looks like it, but as same kernel worked for me before, then it must be something like latest gcc + kernel combination Oct 07 16:39:35 mrmoku, GarthPS: can you try it with kernel from shr-kms? Oct 07 16:39:36 fun :/ Oct 07 16:39:46 yup Oct 07 16:39:55 maybe even 2.6.34.6 first Oct 07 16:40:07 JaMa|Away: shr-kms? ok you have the way ? Oct 07 16:40:45 in last oe5 there were 3 patches from qtmoko (8s,bt,ttySAC) http://gitorious.org/~jama/htc-msm-2-6-32/openmoko-kernel/commits/om-gta02-2.6.34 Oct 07 16:40:54 GarthPS: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ and follow readme Oct 07 16:40:58 well at least with the 2.6.32 eth and charging work! Oct 07 16:41:10 JaMa|Away: ^ Oct 07 16:41:31 uff great Oct 07 16:45:33 JaMa|Away: I am not sure to understand what you want me tu do/try. from the url you point, I dl uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and just flash it and boot right ? Oct 07 16:46:29 GarthPS: you have rootfs in nand? Oct 07 16:46:36 JaMa|Away: yop Oct 07 16:46:56 GarthPS: have you read the bottom of that page? Oct 07 16:47:56 for rootfs in nand skip first 2 steps Oct 07 16:48:09 but do 3.,4.,5. Oct 07 16:48:11 JaMa|Away: yes and it is exactly about this that I don't know what to do with Oct 07 16:48:33 and start with uImage-2.6.34.6-oe4.6+gitr6+3f6725d43021d2d7597027e36020df5b44d0667e-r0-om-gta02.bin not latest Oct 07 16:50:09 JaMa|Away: so in fact I just skip the step 2 , no ? Oct 07 16:50:27 yes Oct 07 16:50:44 instead of 2nd you'll call dfu-util Oct 07 16:50:54 or whatever you're using for flashing kernel Oct 07 16:52:04 JaMa|Away: ok understood Oct 07 16:52:44 then write me which version was first to fail (I'll read it when I arrive home) Oct 07 16:58:39 JaMa|Away: ok flashed and booted (with qi by the way..) some thing in particular to look for ? Oct 07 16:59:59 charging/usb net Oct 07 17:00:42 JaMa|Away: 2.6.34.6=> eth up and charging but no gsm Oct 07 17:00:50 JaMa|Away: want more detail ? Oct 07 17:01:14 no touchscreen filtring Oct 07 17:01:17 nope, no gsm is expected because of no /dev/ttySAC* Oct 07 17:01:39 JaMa|Away: ok so I trie an other version right ? Oct 07 17:01:46 please upgrade to uImage-2.6.34.7-oe4.6+gitr7+e4182f3551f1b8e8f8bd07a2d68e49a0ec4cd04a-r0-om-gta02.bin Oct 07 17:01:53 JaMa|Away: ok Oct 07 17:02:25 only 2.6.34.7-oe5 has patch for 8x halt, ttySAC (for working gsm) Oct 07 17:03:35 JaMa|Away: I follow the same steps (i.e without removing anything) ? Oct 07 17:03:44 yes you can Oct 07 17:06:09 * JaMa|Away really off now Oct 07 17:06:11 bbl Oct 07 17:06:44 JaMa|Away: cu Oct 07 17:09:49 JaMa|Away: 2.6.34.7=> eth up and charging two ! and still no gsm Oct 07 17:10:26 * GarthPS trying with uImage-2.6.34.7-oe5 now Oct 07 17:10:56 * GarthPS before it was uImage-2.6.34.7-oe4.6 Oct 07 17:14:31 * GarthPS rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.34.7/ Oct 07 17:19:50 JaMa|Away: 2.6.34.7-oe5=> well still eth up and usb charging! and now gsm up(but no sound during call) and stil no ts filtring (very unusable) Oct 07 17:20:10 JaMa|Away: tell me if you want me to try something else. Oct 07 17:23:21 GarthPS: with .7-oe5 from kms? Oct 07 17:24:36 mrmoku: yop Oct 07 17:25:03 ok Oct 07 17:25:04 hmm Oct 07 17:25:20 and the same kernel from tests/shr-unstable does not work Oct 07 17:25:40 so JaMa|Away is probably right and it is the combination with some gcc change or something like that :/ Oct 07 17:26:22 mrmoku: JaMa|Away is always right non ? :) Oct 07 17:29:09 but what is really weird for me is that I has influance on my qtmokov26 os runnnign from µSD.. Oct 07 17:43:49 <[Rui]> JaMa|Away: so, gcc borked the images? Oct 07 17:48:59 ok my neo is charging with old kernel :) Oct 07 17:49:16 [Rui]: sofar I know only about broken usbnet/charging when kernel is built with newer gcc Oct 07 17:49:42 <[Rui]> seems borked enough for me :) Oct 07 17:56:00 GarthPS: mostly he is right, yes :P Oct 07 17:56:27 JaMa: I had a complete hang... might be related to usb too though Oct 07 17:57:43 :) Oct 07 17:58:29 SHR root@gojama ~ $ rmmod g_ether Oct 07 17:58:29 Segmentation fault Oct 07 17:58:46 kernel from shr-kms + new modules from my image Oct 07 17:59:18 [ 137.470000] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 Oct 07 18:00:26 JaMa: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//15 Oct 07 18:01:21 lindi-: here it's new after building with newer gcc.. but maybe related Oct 07 18:01:32 SHR root@gojama ~ $ rmmod snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 -> hangs :/ Oct 07 18:02:35 mrmoku: do you also get ie: Oct 07 18:02:36 SHR root@gojama ~ $ /usr/bin/apm Oct 07 18:02:36 Method "GetCapacity" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist Oct 07 18:03:16 JaMa: that's http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1359? Oct 07 18:06:38 battery off :/ Oct 07 18:08:31 JaMa: with the non working kernel? Oct 07 18:08:59 hi, how to solve that: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/task/6310604.txt ? Oct 07 18:09:03 the Xfree deprecated Oct 07 18:09:10 mrmoku: shr-kms kernel and "non working" modules Oct 07 18:09:15 along with xalloc Oct 07 18:09:23 JaMa: did not try yet Oct 07 18:09:29 mrmoku: died when I was unpacking shr-kms modules.. Oct 07 18:09:36 heh Oct 07 18:09:43 mrmoku: I'll try to charge battery a bit in old nokia Oct 07 18:09:54 even u-boot is refusing to start to charge it Oct 07 18:11:12 JaMa, which nokia device is compatible with the freerunner battery? Oct 07 18:12:00 playya: whatever has BL-5C battery Oct 07 18:12:37 hmm. checking. my freerunner refuses to boot, too :( Oct 07 18:12:42 playya: I have something with broken display - don't know and cannot look bellow battery while charging Oct 07 18:13:21 lindi-: do you also have ticket for kernel refusing to work when built with gcc with this patch? http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=607ae31d3e5cdbc6b1842f0ad02f1c8037f4b97c Oct 07 18:14:18 without it mplayer is broken. at least for the pre. Oct 07 18:14:30 JaMa: no idea Oct 07 18:14:44 playya: mplayer without this patch? Oct 07 18:14:50 yes Oct 07 18:15:10 playya: doesn't build or in runtime? Oct 07 18:15:18 doesn't build Oct 07 18:16:08 playya: because that was fixed for me already with http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=3880477ea548817d64e826faec0aa6d0607a3264\ Oct 07 18:16:31 playya: at least for armv[457] builds Oct 07 18:18:07 i think it was this errorlog: http://pastebin.com/2NSNyq37 Oct 07 18:18:18 an internal compiler error Oct 07 18:21:09 playya: ok, it's different error, I didn't have ICE but http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/task/8050106.txt Oct 07 18:25:44 btw. I'm now on tinderbox, too \:D/ Oct 07 18:26:35 a funny fact: i had a conf directory in my conf directory and bb seems to prefer conf/conf/ Oct 07 18:36:19 GarthPS: are you sure, you were testing 2.6.34.7-oe5 + new image? doesn't work here Oct 07 18:42:03 JaMa: ho no all of my test were with image from shr-u.. my bad.. Oct 07 18:42:23 as I did flash it I did not change... Oct 07 18:43:07 so what rootfs did you use for tests? Oct 07 19:30:36 JaMa: I user Oct 07 19:31:06 JaMa: I uused this one http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 Oct 07 19:31:58 ah :/ Oct 07 19:32:54 JaMa: yeah ... sorry.. Oct 07 19:33:38 JaMa: do you want me to re-test with the test one ? Oct 07 19:34:07 if you can.. I'm trying it with mine images and every combination is failing the same Oct 07 19:34:34 and it can be also fsodeviced setting it wrong (ie to usbhost) Oct 07 19:34:52 so need to confirm it or is it not necesar? Oct 07 19:35:05 I mean with an other phon Oct 07 19:35:08 e Oct 07 19:37:03 JaMa: ^ Oct 07 19:41:33 well I have a bit different images.. so if you can confirm that even with older kernel you don't have charging/usbnet with testing image it will be fine Oct 07 19:49:48 JaMa: so to be sure, you want me to test all those kms kernel with thise image http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 right ? Oct 07 19:50:46 GarthPS: only the kernel version which now works for you Oct 07 19:51:03 GarthPS: +its modules Oct 07 19:52:31 * GarthPS downloading http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2 and 2.6.34.7-oe5 kernel +its modules Oct 07 19:54:38 * GarthPS "debugf dir creation failed -19" Oct 07 19:54:53 s/debugf/debugfs Oct 07 20:01:00 hmm after removing /etc/init.d/fsodeviced and phonefsod I got charging image with newest kernel Oct 07 20:01:11 JaMa: just to be sure. I flash those image and kernel (cf ^) boot then extract modules and reboot right ? Oct 07 20:02:50 mrmoku: why does starting phonefsod kill my charging? :) Oct 07 20:08:05 mrmoku: phonefsod is not killing it itself, autostarted fsodeviced does Oct 07 20:13:10 hi mrmoku` Oct 07 20:15:06 JaMa: COOL YOU ARE MAKING PROGRESS :) Oct 07 20:15:15 oups sorry for MAJ Oct 07 20:16:21 mrmoku`, GarthPS: mv /usr/sbin/fsodeviced /usr/sbin/fsodeviced-dis to make current images working with new kernel Oct 07 20:16:35 except FSO of course Oct 07 20:17:05 * GarthPS still reflashing Oct 07 20:17:56 bouhouh frank zappas is gone .. :) Oct 07 20:34:33 mrmoku`: fsodeviced.log http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272453/ Oct 07 20:34:52 mickey|sports: fso is somehow broken after building with latest vala :/ ^ Oct 07 20:36:43 right, looks like a vala/dbus bug though, need to investigate when i have some time on weekend Oct 07 20:37:34 hmm Oct 07 20:37:36 ** (process:30608): WARNING **: Object does not implement any D-Bus interface Oct 07 20:37:38 that would be it Oct 07 20:39:20 mickey|sports: all dbus calls seems to return it (ie just apm call) Oct 07 20:40:09 mickey|sports, I've news on n900 Oct 07 20:40:15 and no news on my exams dates Oct 07 20:40:18 Evening Oct 07 20:40:34 Kensan, hi Oct 07 20:40:42 Kensan, you've still got your htcdream? Oct 07 20:40:46 yes Oct 07 20:40:51 somewhere... Oct 07 20:40:53 ;) Oct 07 20:41:13 been away from here the whole summer Oct 07 20:41:16 Kensan, the port is nearly working now Oct 07 20:41:17 what's up? Oct 07 20:41:21 oh nice! Oct 07 20:41:27 the only things that rest are cosmetics Oct 07 20:41:35 like GUI,integration of this/that Oct 07 20:41:36 * Kensan is going to Japan for three weeks next monday Oct 07 20:41:37 and: Oct 07 20:41:45 wifi PSM: I know why it didn't work Oct 07 20:41:47 so I can't do any testing in the near future Oct 07 20:42:05 alsa still isn't fixed but I've a workarround for mplayer that is shipped in the images Oct 07 20:42:10 GNUtoo|laptop: ah what about wlan? Oct 07 20:42:29 Kensan, wlan = wifi Oct 07 20:42:35 so PSM still doesn't work Oct 07 20:42:38 but I know why Oct 07 20:42:45 the GPIO irq wasn't used Oct 07 20:42:50 GNUtoo|laptop: yeah, what's the reason it (PSM) didn't work? Oct 07 20:42:52 but when I try to use it it hangs the phone Oct 07 20:42:57 oh Oct 07 20:43:41 was there some work on getting it to run on the Nexus One while I was away? Oct 07 20:44:26 Kensan, I've a nexusone Oct 07 20:44:35 Kensan, should I document what need to be done? Oct 07 20:45:13 GNUtoo|laptop: I am just curious, as I mentioned I will go abroad quite soon and not be back for about 3 weeks... Oct 07 20:45:25 GNUtoo|laptop: might be worth writing it down somewhere though. Oct 07 20:45:30 ok Oct 07 20:45:34 basically no alsa Oct 07 20:45:43 mplayer can output pcm Oct 07 20:45:51 to an arbitraty file Oct 07 20:45:56 including a /dev/msm_pcm_out Oct 07 20:45:58 file Oct 07 20:46:10 but that's horrible for movies Oct 07 20:46:19 also modem seem to somehow works, Oct 07 20:46:26 it detect my lack of sim card Oct 07 20:46:33 but I wasn't able to register Oct 07 20:46:35 the network Oct 07 20:46:44 wifi: should work, untested Oct 07 20:47:15 ok Oct 07 20:47:22 what kernel are you using? Oct 07 20:50:00 GNUtoo|laptop: how different is qdspv2? Oct 07 20:50:13 tmzt_, v2??? Oct 07 20:50:22 Kensan, cyanogen Oct 07 20:50:26 2.6.35 msm Oct 07 20:50:30 msm7x27 Oct 07 20:50:31 with some patches Oct 07 20:50:36 5v2 Oct 07 20:50:40 tmzt_, ah ok I don't know Oct 07 20:50:48 it has better alsa support Oct 07 20:50:52 tmzt_, it's qdsp6 here Oct 07 20:50:54 indeed Oct 07 20:50:55 palm is using alsa too Oct 07 20:50:58 what are you on? Oct 07 20:51:09 GNUtoo|laptop: ah I see. Oct 07 20:51:49 GNUtoo|laptop: I still have all the parts to solder a serial cable I just never got around to doing it actually Oct 07 20:52:11 ok Oct 07 20:52:26 tmzt_, I've htcdream and nexusone and some other non-msm/qsd phones Oct 07 20:52:43 GNUtoo|laptop: I wanted to get serial working with the msm stuff that's made it into mainline. Oct 07 20:52:55 ah ok Oct 07 20:52:56 nice Oct 07 20:53:03 leviathan, worked with mainline and followed mainline Oct 07 20:53:20 GNUtoo|laptop: well would be if I actually did it. This way it's all just talk and that's cheap so... Oct 07 20:53:45 GNUtoo|laptop: I see. Is he still doing kernel stuff then? Oct 07 20:54:31 I don't know what he's doing now Oct 07 20:54:32 I canceled my linux-msm subscription a while ago so I have no idea what's been happening upstream... Oct 07 20:54:37 ok Oct 07 20:54:45 I don't follow closely either Oct 07 20:54:48 leviathan did Oct 07 21:01:09 mickey|sports: logs attached in new ticket, http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/588 Oct 07 21:01:55 JaMa: thanks. problem has been identified and it looks like a fix is being worked on. Oct 07 21:02:27 wow great Oct 07 21:03:47 * mickey|sports thinks we will have to go back to using unreleased versions, but that's not much of a problem now that we no longer need to apply custom patches Oct 07 21:04:26 <[Rui]> mickey|sports: what about #587? :) Oct 07 21:04:32 * [Rui] runs and hides. Oct 07 21:04:47 mickey|sports: problem in what? Oct 07 21:05:22 ah, vala Oct 07 21:05:32 mickey|sports: hey there! Long time no see ;) Oct 07 21:06:04 hi Kensan! did you enjoy your "free" time? :) Oct 07 21:06:34 mickey|sports: most of it: yes, the last two weeks: not at all Oct 07 21:07:10 mickey|sports: I also bought myself a set of wheels but contrary to you I only bought two, much more fun for cornering *hehe* Oct 07 21:07:19 aaah, righto Oct 07 21:08:39 mickey|sports: last two weeks was military service so I am still trying to reboot... Oct 07 21:09:53 are there any interesting new devices I should look out for in Japan? Oct 07 21:21:43 hmm, nothing hackerfriendly i think Oct 07 21:22:51 what's currently the *hot thing*? N900? Oct 07 21:25:56 n900, palm pre (plus), nexusone Oct 07 21:25:59 in varying degrees of hotness Oct 07 21:26:00 :D Oct 07 21:26:29 everywhere you have problems, no device is a nobrainer Oct 07 21:26:38 but still, all are somewhat interesting and being worked on Oct 07 21:26:56 htcdream still as well Oct 07 21:27:05 mickey|sports, but n900 just booted without the usb cable!!! Oct 07 21:27:07 with 2.6.28 Oct 07 21:27:10 maemo kernel Oct 07 21:27:16 compiled by me Oct 07 21:27:23 that's good news! Oct 07 21:27:25 congrats Oct 07 21:27:27 indeed Oct 07 21:27:35 what fixed it? Oct 07 21:27:38 thanks to ali1234 in #meego-arm Oct 07 21:27:39 a patch Oct 07 21:27:47 * GarthPS remember that He has stil not been able to tellmorpeus to update plampre'spage on FSP's wiki Oct 07 21:27:52 http://code.google.com/p/nitdroid-v2/issues/attachmentText?id=41&aid=-4534982619258263754&name=0001-Fix-CPU-frequency-driver-so-that-it-loads-before-the.patch&token=7e35e4461d16ad8da7eab0e6df4eb095 Oct 07 21:28:23 heh, fuin Oct 07 21:28:30 indeed Oct 07 21:28:54 masically mmc support as =y was the reason why we had the problem and not maemo Oct 07 21:29:01 but now it works Oct 07 21:29:08 we have to integrate the patch in oe tough Oct 07 21:29:13 but it's easy Oct 07 21:29:20 I must go to sleep very soon Oct 07 21:29:46 JaMa: 0.11.0.1 (fso-release) Oct 07 21:32:13 mickey|sports, do you want to know nexusone state? Oct 07 21:32:29 mickey|sports: tell me when you have 2" to answer to few questions about GSP in FSO -If you don't mind) Oct 07 21:32:39 GNUtoo|laptop: for sure Oct 07 21:33:13 GarthPS: if it's not urgent, then on weekend. i plan to do some quality hours FSO hacking then Oct 07 21:33:35 mickey|sports, basically there is no alsa Oct 07 21:33:40 wifi is WEXT but untested Oct 07 21:33:40 mickey|sports: hum well I go on vacation for 3 weeks then so .. Oct 07 21:33:47 modem should be easy Oct 07 21:33:48 perhaps a mail if you prefer Oct 07 21:33:57 GarthPS: yes, i will answer tomorrow then Oct 07 21:33:58 I mean it detect that I've no sim Oct 07 21:34:05 but doesn't register to network Oct 07 21:34:12 mickey|sports: ok the I mail you. thx Oct 07 21:34:15 np, thanks Oct 07 21:34:19 for alsa we can workarround Oct 07 21:34:33 GNUtoo|laptop: which WiFi chip is in there? still the 1251? Oct 07 21:34:34 outputing PCM to /dev/msm_pcm_out works for music Oct 07 21:34:36 no Oct 07 21:34:41 b4329 Oct 07 21:34:45 something with ad-hoc mode? Oct 07 21:34:59 mickey|sports, as I said for wl1251_sdio there is ad-hoc mode patch Oct 07 21:35:04 that needs to be ported Oct 07 21:35:17 but it's too hackish to be usefull Oct 07 21:35:24 I mean lots of packets lost Oct 07 21:35:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_ad_hoc_wifi_hotspot Oct 07 21:36:13 40% packet loss at close range Oct 07 21:36:36 mickey|sports: at vanille - media . de ? Oct 07 21:36:42 GarthPS: correct Oct 07 21:36:45 ok Oct 07 21:38:04 leviathan, I hope you found a cable Oct 07 21:38:11 I'll go to sleep bye Oct 07 21:38:28 btw mickey|sports I've not yet my exams dates....bad for fosdem Oct 07 21:38:40 bye Oct 07 23:50:26 where to buy tickets for 27c3? Oct 07 23:51:08 on the website, but they may have sell the first batch Oct 07 23:53:01 http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Presale Oct 07 23:55:37 i am not sure they started to sell them, my friends are excited and talk of it, but it doesnt seem they got anything yet Oct 08 00:13:09 I can't even find any link to a real preorder form Oct 08 00:14:35 misc: seems you can send an email if you want >=5, but real standard preorder, bay, take away Oct 08 00:14:42 s/bay/pay/ Oct 08 00:14:43 DocScrutinizer meant: misc: seems you can send an email if you want >=5, but real standard preorder, pay, take away Oct 08 00:15:24 ~seen laf0rge Oct 08 00:15:32 laf0rge was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 337d 22h 51m 53s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'. Oct 08 00:15:42 ~seen zecke Oct 08 00:15:44 zecke <~ich@91-64-127-39-dynip.superkabel.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8h 56m 39s ago, saying: 'khem: well, the author decided to torture himself and move to windows'. Oct 08 00:56:42 * DocScrutinizer feels like beating up somebody, for not providing any link to any page with info about how to actually buy tickets, on http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and subpages Oct 08 01:04:17 my guess is that the presale starts on the 23.12 Oct 08 01:25:04 no. you can order tickets earlier Oct 08 01:25:25 and you should order one if you want to attend larsc Oct 08 01:25:30 and misc Oct 08 01:27:52 i planed to let my place to others, as I think they would be able to benefit more than me from the congress :) Oct 08 01:43:32 misc, DocScrutinizer http://events.ccc.de/2010/09/24/tickets-for-the-27-chaos-communication-congress/ Oct 08 01:53:22 playya: seen this page, has no proper info on how to aorder as well, actually it's maximum fuzzy and confusing Oct 08 01:53:58 you have to create an account, wait one day, and then you can order tickets Oct 08 01:54:36 it starts at beginning ov novembre Oct 08 01:54:47 >>The presale starts on Monday 27th September 2010 and will be announced here at events.ccc.de. Oct 08 01:55:04 where to create an account? on WIKI??? Oct 08 01:55:19 ... contingents proportional to the demand, the biggest one after release of the first version of the time-table beginning of November. We will communicate about the status at regular intervals. Oct 08 01:55:47 no. special registration for tickets Oct 08 01:55:57 I don't plan to wait for "the biggest one" - what a BS and nonsense is all this info? Oct 08 01:56:12 i don't know if i should start a peace mission or travell to berlin Oct 08 01:56:45 I fsckng will travel there and enter with an AK47 as a ticket Oct 08 01:57:37 that's so incredibly embarrassing, I can't believe it. Oct 08 01:59:20 there were a lot of people from foreign countries without tickets because everything was sold out on day 1 Oct 08 01:59:46 somewhere they claim they don't want to level demand to ticket supply by adjusting the price. What the seem not to tell but to do is to level demand now by pissing off people by simply obfuscating all viable ways to obtain tickets Oct 08 02:01:29 honestly if I meet a single person responsible for that, I'll let him know for good what I think about that mess Oct 08 02:02:26 no link from ccc.de to events.cc.de, you need google to even find the URL Oct 08 02:03:52 then when you finally got there, you are confronted with ""The presale starts on Monday 27th September 2010"", a completely useless wiki faq, and genarally no clue whatsoever how to order tickets, except for "send a mail if you want >=5 or are a poor student" Oct 08 02:04:46 there's an announcement in Veranstaltungen but no link: http://ccc.de/de/updates/2010/27c3 Oct 08 02:05:18 yes, there are lots and lots of contradicting info and announcements, and no link anywhere Oct 08 02:05:46 it's one big "FSCK YOU!" Oct 08 02:07:32 ""sorry presale starts 3 days later but for sure this week"" - no date, SUPER!!! weldone dude! Oct 08 02:09:07 playya: you call this an announcement?? "" 27C3 2010-07-12 11:01:00, andreas The 27th Chaos Communication Congress. Same procedure as every year!"" Oct 08 02:09:59 I see those assholes laughing while I get upset, but wait until I start to laugh Oct 08 02:11:48 I'm running in circles on those bullshit pages since 8h sigma now, and can't find a way out of it Oct 08 02:12:34 I swear somebody will bay for every minute I wasted, when I get a hold on him Oct 08 02:12:39 pay* Oct 08 02:34:48 meh, losers - http://events.ccc.de/2010/10/08/ice-2342-to-27c3-will-be-delayed-by-a-few-days/ Oct 08 02:35:23 with a really informative headline, and also quite a prominent place Oct 08 02:47:21 as i said, presale will probably start 23.12 Oct 08 02:53:11 yes. it's the chaos computer club :) Oct 08 02:53:50 bah, that's actually worse than CCC has been ever before Oct 08 02:55:05 Zeitnah zum Start des VVK wird es hier auch einen Post mit allen Details und Abläufen geben. Oct 08 02:55:05 Bis dahin: Stay tuned, und quält F5 nicht so :-) Oct 08 02:55:12 jajaja Oct 08 02:55:18 bloedmaenner Oct 08 02:56:20 aber selber 2 wochen lang ein ganzes wiki stehen lassen, in dem nicht einmal im klartext steht, dass es keinen sinn hat shon jetzt das buchen zu versuchen Oct 08 02:57:19 they're working on the system. it's a software project ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 08 02:59:57 2010