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Oct 13 03:58:58 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07utilities * ra5f32b7e2302 10/palmpre/tsmd/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): tsmd: Add debug config flag, more autofoo voodoo
Oct 13 04:43:51 <JaMa|Zzzz> moin
Oct 13 05:18:33 <papa-piet> moin
Oct 13 05:39:29 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r6400e0ec8ed5 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/palmpre_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: fix typo in palmpre_powersupply
Oct 13 05:50:58 <zub> morgen
Oct 13 05:52:06 <creeper_> moin
Oct 13 07:02:17 <daniele_athome> morning
Oct 13 07:06:08 <JaMa|Wrk> morning
Oct 13 08:54:54 <daniele_athome> TAsn, sorry to bother you
Oct 13 08:55:12 <daniele_athome> group by on phonenumber doesn't seem to work well
Oct 13 08:55:28 <daniele_athome> oh no
Oct 13 08:55:28 <daniele_athome> sorry
Oct 13 08:55:29 <daniele_athome> :D
Oct 13 08:55:37 <daniele_athome> phone-utils.conf :)
Oct 13 09:44:52 <daniele_athome> any progress with the fsousaged timeout on shutdown?
Oct 13 09:58:29 <Heinervdm> fsousaged? i think it's fsogsmd which timeout when switching the channel to closed state
Oct 13 10:00:07 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Wrk, mrmoku: Koen updated obexd, i don't know if that fso patch still applies, if not just remove it as it has never worked
Oct 13 10:07:42 <daniele_athome> Heinervdm, yes sorry :)
Oct 13 10:09:39 <Heinervdm> daniele_athome: i haven't asked mickey|tv, but i'm sure he will take a look as soon as possible, if you have some more informations you can add them to the ticket :) http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/586
Oct 13 10:48:20 <daniele_athome> TAsn, i'm going crazy with that query :S
Oct 13 10:48:26 <daniele_athome> going lunch... brb
Oct 13 10:56:12 <Arigead> just checking: shr unstable  tracks the origin/org.openembedded.dev branch Not the origin/shr/unstable branch in Openembedded. 
Oct 13 10:58:54 <daniele_athome> Arigead, shouldn't be?
Oct 13 11:00:44 <Arigead> daniele_athome: seems to be the case. I was just looking at the Makefile. I think I fried my openembedded directory so was recreating it maybe I misread the Makefile. I'll go back and look at it
Oct 13 11:00:55 <daniele_athome> ok
Oct 13 11:02:20 <Arigead> SHR_UNSTABLE_BRANCH_OE = org.openembedded.dev
Oct 13 11:03:00 <Arigead> that's from the makefile. I was just a bit surprised as there is a shr/unstable branch in oe. Maybe that's historical. I'll go with .dev
Oct 13 11:04:50 <Heinervdm> shr/unstable is unused
Oct 13 11:06:36 <Arigead> Heinervdm: Thanks just though I'd check 
Oct 13 11:07:13 <Heinervdm> we commited all changes to oe.dev, so we can now use oe.dev directly
Oct 13 11:21:45 <JaMa|Wrk> Arigead: see last commit in shr/unstable branch :)
Oct 13 11:22:38 <JaMa|Wrk> Arigead: this one http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/unstable&id=00c490be7df2b27f945f9d3db4ec134747207869
Oct 13 11:26:42 <JaMa|Wrk> Arigead: btw did you 'bitbake -c clean libx11' after disabling fop?
Oct 13 11:27:21 <Arigead> JaMa: Yes that's clear enough all right. If I'd have checked it out and looked at it it would have been obvious. I just went with the Makefile but wondered. Curiosity as they say.
Oct 13 11:29:47 <Arigead> JaMa: don't mention fop! ;-) In a build at present but I've finally broken and ordered a new laptop as this takes far too long on my current machine. I've removed openembedded from my shr-unstable and checked it out again and removed tmp directory. I tried to bitbake tango gps in my gumstix tree and that worked fine so it much be my tree which has gotten confused. We'll see in the fullness of time and a build.
Oct 13 11:30:16 <Arigead> s/much/must/
Oct 13 11:30:16 <apt> Arigead meant: JaMa: don't mention fop! ;-) In a build at present but I've finally broken and ordered a new laptop as this takes far too long on my current machine. I've removed openembedded from my shr-unstable and checked it out again and removed tmp directory. I trie...
Oct 13 11:31:00 <JaMa|Wrk> gumstix tree probably doesn't merged new libx11 from OE tree..
Oct 13 11:31:14 <JaMa|Wrk> s/doesn't/haven't yet/
Oct 13 11:31:15 <apt> JaMa|Wrk meant: gumstix tree probably haven't yet merged new libx11 from OE tree..
Oct 13 11:32:34 <Arigead> Yeh maybe not but I can't understand why libx11 builds fine with a bitbake libx11. When you then do a bitbake tangogps it goes and tries to do a do_install of libx11 and fails. Must be something I've messed up here.
Oct 13 11:34:56 <JaMa|Wrk> it's hard to tell what from the info you've posted to ml..
Oct 13 11:37:18 <Arigead> JaMa: it ain't any easier on this side. All I have is that log file and it seems to be bitching about fop. Hopefully having wiped everything and started again I'll have overcome the issue and I can forget it.
Oct 13 11:56:49 <JaMa|Wrk> who knows libtool good enough to see what's wrong here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/274906/?
Oct 13 12:02:57 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07utilities * r5dec3da731ee 10/palmpre/tsmd/src/tsmd.c: tsmd: Report BTN_TOUCH before SYN_REPORT
Oct 13 12:04:31 <playya> JaMa|Wrk, i'm not a libtool expert, but could you paste /OE/tmpdir-shr/sysroots/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.la ,too?
Oct 13 12:06:11 <JaMa|Wrk> playya: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/274911/
Oct 13 12:06:21 <JaMa|Wrk> playya: khem: here is debug output from libtool http://paste.pocoo.org/show/274906/, my guess is that only last occurence is replaced like 's#=/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la#/OE/tmpdir-shr/sysroots/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la#' and then it tries to open =/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la file
Oct 13 12:14:24 <playya> anyone can help to configure a kbd InputDevice in xorg.conf=
Oct 13 12:22:43 <mrmoku> playya: what is the problem?
Oct 13 12:23:14 <playya> ok. it's not an kbd device
Oct 13 12:23:17 <playya> it's for the pre
Oct 13 12:23:43 <playya> i have the following files in /usr/share/X11/xkb:
Oct 13 12:23:50 <playya> ./symbols/palm-pre
Oct 13 12:23:50 <playya> ./keycodes/palm-pre
Oct 13 12:23:50 <playya> ./keymap/palm-pre
Oct 13 12:24:22 <playya> keycodes is the Driver
Oct 13 12:26:39 <mrmoku> playya: it is not configured as evdev then?
Oct 13 12:28:48 <playya> i don't know ^^
Oct 13 12:28:52 <mrmoku> playya: looking at n900 and my laptop... there should be geometry too... no idea if that's needed though
Oct 13 12:29:08 <mrmoku> playya: do you have an input sysfs node?
Oct 13 12:29:12 <playya> at least i get the correct keys
Oct 13 12:29:21 <playya> for the base keys
Oct 13 12:29:30 <playya> basepath?
Oct 13 12:31:12 <playya> i think /sys/devices/virtual/input/input2 should be the correct path
Oct 13 12:36:39 <GNUtoo> playya, hi
Oct 13 12:36:52 <playya> hi
Oct 13 12:37:05 <GNUtoo> playya, look how I did it for the dream for the keyboard xkb mapping
Oct 13 12:37:08 <GNUtoo> it's in shr repo
Oct 13 12:37:13 <playya> ok
Oct 13 12:37:20 <GNUtoo> htcdream branch of x-keyboard-config
Oct 13 12:37:24 <GNUtoo> playya, I'm stupif
Oct 13 12:37:37 <GNUtoo> playya, don't look there, look at os-internals repos
Oct 13 12:37:44 <GNUtoo> you have an already mapped xkb keyboard
Oct 13 12:37:49 <GNUtoo> for the palm pre
Oct 13 12:38:07 <playya> yes. but now i need to write the config file to use these files
Oct 13 12:38:13 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Oct 13 12:38:23 <GNUtoo> I'll look one sec
Oct 13 12:38:32 <GNUtoo> you mean xorg.conf?
Oct 13 12:39:15 <playya> yes
Oct 13 12:39:40 <GNUtoo> I did that:
Oct 13 12:39:51 <playya> btw. shr rocks on the pre :)
Oct 13 12:40:14 <GNUtoo> setxkbmap -symbols "htcdream(de)" -option grp:alt_switch
Oct 13 12:41:50 <GNUtoo> playya, big question: does vala-terminal works on the pre?
Oct 13 12:41:58 <GNUtoo> or does it have garbage GUI
Oct 13 12:41:59 <GNUtoo> ?
Oct 13 12:42:03 <GNUtoo> like a line beeijng too small
Oct 13 12:42:12 <GNUtoo> *beeing
Oct 13 12:42:25 <playya> yes. the line is really small
Oct 13 12:42:37 <GNUtoo> like 1px?
Oct 13 12:42:42 <GNUtoo> like that:
Oct 13 12:42:46 <playya> but every !efl gui looks like garbage
Oct 13 12:43:24 <GNUtoo> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/415fe73dfe85d622abf96dbbb850bb42.png
Oct 13 12:43:27 <GNUtoo> ah?
Oct 13 12:43:37 <GNUtoo> I just want to check
Oct 13 12:43:40 <GNUtoo> because :
Oct 13 12:43:47 <playya> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/8ee561f54a81dbf1b2887ac9022b5953.png
Oct 13 12:43:52 <GNUtoo> *we both have armv7 on palm-pre and n900
Oct 13 12:44:15 <GNUtoo> indeed so my theory should be right
Oct 13 12:44:21 <GNUtoo> it should be khem's patches
Oct 13 12:44:33 <GNUtoo> because it happens only for armv7
Oct 13 12:44:46 <GNUtoo> and that cairo is armv7-assembly-obtimized
Oct 13 12:48:51 <playya> is it possible to set the xkbdmap depending ob your local settings?
Oct 13 12:49:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't know
Oct 13 12:49:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> playya, for the GTK bug pango with X backend works but not with cairo backend
Oct 13 12:52:47 <playya> ok
Oct 13 12:53:09 <playya> i build the base image only
Oct 13 12:53:17 <playya> plus mdbus2
Oct 13 12:53:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> you mean the light image?
Oct 13 12:53:32 <playya> that's everything which is important atm
Oct 13 12:53:37 <playya> no the real
Oct 13 12:53:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> bitbake shr-image?
Oct 13 12:54:02 <playya> yep
Oct 13 12:54:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 13 12:55:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> I do that too
Oct 13 14:11:52 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07utilities * r763f0b7bbe70 10/palmpre/tsmd/src/tsmd.c: tsmd: Add minimal config parser for /etc/tsmd.conf
Oct 13 15:13:57 <morphis> heyho
Oct 13 18:40:23 <[Rui]> hi
Oct 13 18:41:32 <JaMa> hi
Oct 13 18:42:04 <TAsn> JaMa, what do you think about: SHR-TABLET EDITION? 
Oct 13 18:42:04 <TAsn> :YP
Oct 13 18:42:32 <TAsn> same sw just with a different fso config
Oct 13 18:42:38 <TAsn> (disable modem)
Oct 13 18:42:40 <JaMa> :)
Oct 13 18:42:41 <TAsn> (if there's none)
Oct 13 18:42:43 <TAsn> and calls
Oct 13 18:42:45 <TAsn> and phonelog
Oct 13 18:42:48 <TAsn> but keep opimd
Oct 13 18:42:50 <TAsn> and most of the shr stack
Oct 13 18:43:03 <[Rui]> hiya!
Oct 13 18:43:19 <[Rui]> neat
Oct 13 18:43:20 <JaMa> TAsn: looks good as I'm already using SHR on spitz PDA :)
Oct 13 18:43:37 <[Rui]> wanna a fussy baby? cheap bargain!
Oct 13 18:43:43 <JaMa> TAsn: but with different image.. without many fso daemons
Oct 13 18:44:58 <TAsn> JaMa, yeah.
Oct 13 18:45:03 <TAsn> I just got myself a smartq
Oct 13 18:45:10 <TAsn> which has an angstrom config
Oct 13 18:45:37 <JaMa> yup seen that on #ubuntu-arm :)
Oct 13 18:46:28 <[Rui]> I have one, tiuchscreen borked
Oct 13 18:46:48 <[Rui]> got very depressed that day
Oct 13 18:48:11 <TAsn> JaMa, assholes, no one answered there :P
Oct 13 18:48:20 <TAsn> [Rui], 5 or 7?
Oct 13 18:48:33 <[Rui]> 7
Oct 13 18:49:11 <TAsn> what did you run on it?
Oct 13 18:49:32 <[Rui]> was trying to get a custum debian arm with e
Oct 13 18:49:47 <[Rui]> but one week after it fell vertically
Oct 13 18:50:07 <[Rui]> glass and plastic are fine but the ts filb broke
Oct 13 18:50:10 <[Rui]> film
Oct 13 18:50:34 <TAsn> yeah, happened to my moko :(
Oct 13 18:50:37 <TAsn> (partially)
Oct 13 18:52:05 <[Rui]> if I had the time I'd make it a picture frame
Oct 13 18:52:15 <[Rui]> all it's worth for, now
Oct 13 18:55:57 <TAsn> [Rui], nah, connect a keyboard
Oct 13 18:56:14 <TAsn> [Rui], anyhow, do you have useful links?
Oct 13 18:56:17 <TAsn> or tips?
Oct 13 18:56:21 <TAsn> cause I haven' seen anything.
Oct 13 18:57:50 <[Rui]> http://easypimp.wikidot.com/
Oct 13 18:58:01 <[Rui]> the keyboard would be used to configure the picture  frame :)
Oct 13 18:58:15 <[Rui]> that device isn't very useful with an usb keyboard attached :)
Oct 13 18:58:38 <[Rui]> I was documenting what was being done with Marcus Bauer (iscape)
Oct 13 18:59:09 <[Rui]> really, fussy baby... cheapy!
Oct 13 18:59:49 <[Rui]> I would rather have an SHR for it
Oct 13 19:00:11 <[Rui]> but I never dwelved much into how to do it and iscape only wanted debian
Oct 13 19:00:28 <[Rui]> better two working on the same than one each by himself
Oct 13 19:00:46 <TAsn> oh
Oct 13 19:00:50 <TAsn> that website is empty though
Oct 13 19:00:57 <TAsn> [Rui], and angstrom already works on the device...
Oct 13 19:01:11 <TAsn> (there's a set config)
Oct 13 19:01:29 <TAsn> grr
Oct 13 19:01:30 <TAsn> meant OE
Oct 13 19:01:31 <TAsn> :P
Oct 13 19:01:33 <TAsn> not angstrom
Oct 13 19:02:05 <[Rui]> cool
Oct 13 19:02:13 <TAsn> Yeah.
Oct 13 19:02:19 <TAsn> Well I'll play with it a little
Oct 13 19:02:23 <TAsn> with the time I don't have :P
Oct 13 19:02:34 <TAsn> All I want really is an ebook reader
Oct 13 19:02:36 <[Rui]> it's a Q really?
Oct 13 19:02:43 <[Rui]> me too
Oct 13 19:02:43 <TAsn> ?
Oct 13 19:02:50 <[Rui]> but for pdf it's bad
Oct 13 19:02:52 <TAsn> Is what a Q?
Oct 13 19:02:55 <TAsn> [Rui], how come?
Oct 13 19:03:15 <[Rui]> SmartDevices have a lot of devices now
Oct 13 19:03:19 <TAsn> yes.
Oct 13 19:03:26 <TAsn> I bought the V7
Oct 13 19:03:28 <TAsn> the next gen Q
Oct 13 19:03:31 <TAsn> which is practically the same
Oct 13 19:03:32 <[Rui]> SmartQ5/7 are very cool as they can run on 100% free software with decent video acceleration
Oct 13 19:03:42 <[Rui]> iscape told me it was very different
Oct 13 19:03:49 <TAsn> V7 vs Q7?
Oct 13 19:04:01 <[Rui]> Vs are very different from Qs
Oct 13 19:04:02 <TAsn> I remember reading somewhere they are practically the same.
Oct 13 19:04:07 <TAsn> gr.. :(
Oct 13 19:04:12 <[Rui]> externally yeah
Oct 13 19:04:20 <TAsn> externally they are the same, I know.
Oct 13 19:04:22 <TAsn> (the 7)
Oct 13 19:04:30 <TAsn> but I read somewhere they are also the same inside.
Oct 13 19:04:34 <TAsn> well, first thing after I get it
Oct 13 19:04:36 <[Rui]> but like I said, I'm just relaying info, he could be wrong
Oct 13 19:04:36 <TAsn> I'll probe the hw.
Oct 13 19:04:49 <TAsn> I'll bug you about his email address
Oct 13 19:04:50 <[Rui]> ok, if it's the same I may try to get a V7 as well :)
Oct 13 19:04:52 <TAsn> when I get mine already. :P
Oct 13 19:04:59 <TAsn> [Rui], only 150$ :P
Oct 13 19:05:09 <TAsn> anyhow, why is it bad for pdf?
Oct 13 19:05:25 <[Rui]> 800x480 is not enough for displaying an A4 page in it
Oct 13 19:05:35 <[Rui]> not enough resolution so fonts are very hard to read
Oct 13 19:05:42 <[Rui]> and partial view sucks
Oct 13 19:06:04 <[Rui]> but I ready many comic books at night without lights so Tania could sleep while I read :)
Oct 13 19:06:12 <[Rui]> until, that is...
Oct 13 19:06:14 <[Rui]> buah!
Oct 13 19:06:24 <[Rui]> where did you get it at 150 USD?
Oct 13 19:06:44 <TAsn> eletroworld.cn
Oct 13 19:06:47 <TAsn> or something like that
Oct 13 19:06:55 <[Rui]> a tablet needs at least SVGA, WSVGA much better
Oct 13 19:06:56 <TAsn> regarding the resolution:
Oct 13 19:06:58 <[Rui]> or WXGA
Oct 13 19:07:03 <TAsn> I used to read ebooks on the moko
Oct 13 19:07:06 <Gabrys> $180/190 seems like a normal price on ebay ;-)
Oct 13 19:07:17 <[Rui]> it's too much
Oct 13 19:07:32 <TAsn> the website I bought from is an official distributor
Oct 13 19:07:52 <[Rui]> TAsn: I'm reading Cory Doctorow's For The Win, but in ePUB format with FBreader (so I know how bad it really is for reading, ie, a lot)
Oct 13 19:08:22 <[Rui]> but the good way to read a PDF is full screen full page
Oct 13 19:08:35 <TAsn> I'll try and hope for the best :p
Oct 13 19:09:11 <[Rui]> and fuck... smartq7 is 190 usd at that site!
Oct 13 19:10:03 <TAsn> my site?
Oct 13 19:10:30 <TAsn> smartq7 are impossible to find
Oct 13 19:10:31 <TAsn> I tried.
Oct 13 19:10:52 <[Rui]> eletroworld.cn
Oct 13 19:11:47 <[Rui]> but MUCH more expensive :(
Oct 13 19:12:45 <[Rui]> how's the ts in the smartv7?
Oct 13 19:12:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> there are some in italy
Oct 13 19:12:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> but...
Oct 13 19:12:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I wonder
Oct 13 19:13:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> do we have sufficent sources
Oct 13 19:13:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Oct 13 19:13:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> and why not porting angstrom?
Oct 13 19:13:36 <TAsn> there's already on OE config
Oct 13 19:13:43 <TAsn> you just need to compile
Oct 13 19:13:45 <[Rui]> smartv7 has the double of the memory
Oct 13 19:14:05 <TAsn> [Rui], and nand
Oct 13 19:14:22 <[Rui]> nand... meh... I like sd boot :)
Oct 13 19:14:40 <[Rui]> I kept the official OS in the nand and booted from sd
Oct 13 19:14:56 <TAsn> Ok, so you have good tips to share! :P
Oct 13 19:14:58 <[Rui]> at that time illume's keyboard really sucked in the smartq, too big
Oct 13 19:15:01 * TAsn will bug you a lot.
Oct 13 19:15:06 <TAsn> [Rui], scaling
Oct 13 19:15:09 <[Rui]> not many good tips
Oct 13 19:15:18 <TAsn> that's like the coolest feature in oe
Oct 13 19:15:21 <[Rui]> really, all I did with it is in that site
Oct 13 19:15:35 <TAsn> [Rui], that site is completely empty.
Oct 13 19:15:41 <[Rui]> no it's not
Oct 13 19:15:48 <TAsn> got a page to show me?
Oct 13 19:15:53 <TAsn> I really found nothing :)
Oct 13 19:15:54 <[Rui]> it has a link in the main area: For now, just installfromscratch
Oct 13 19:16:13 <[Rui]> http://easypimp.wikidot.com/installfromscratch
Oct 13 19:16:19 <TAsn> yeah
Oct 13 19:16:22 <TAsn> didn't noticed that
Oct 13 19:16:26 <TAsn> went to the menus :P
Oct 13 19:18:28 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Oct 13 19:18:32 <TAsn> thanks a lot.
Oct 13 19:21:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
Oct 13 19:21:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> is it possible to use the freerunner kernel with tslib
Oct 13 19:21:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> or in other words
Oct 13 19:22:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> does tslib support BTN_TOUCH?
Oct 13 19:22:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> it seems that no
Oct 13 19:22:24 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: I use the freerunner with tslib
Oct 13 19:22:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 13 19:22:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> which kernel?
Oct 13 19:22:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I used 2.6.34
Oct 13 19:22:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> and tslib said:
Oct 13 19:23:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> selected device is not a touchscreen I understand
Oct 13 19:23:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I change BTN_TOUCH in ABS_PRESSURE?
Oct 13 19:29:05 <[Rui]> with 32
Oct 13 19:29:35 <[Rui]> I just changed the ts driver in xorg.conf to tslib (much better than evdev imho because of right button emulation)
Oct 13 19:35:11 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: and right button emulation is much better than that r|l button
Oct 13 19:35:20 <[Rui]> dinner... bbl
Oct 13 19:40:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> [Rui], ok
Oct 13 19:41:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> [Rui], so I should change BTN_TOUCH to ABS_PRESSURE ?
Oct 13 19:41:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried but failed
Oct 13 19:41:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough on dream it worked
Oct 13 19:41:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> but here I'm on om-gta02
Oct 13 21:58:17 <TAsn> who's running this: Sirloin OMAP3430 board ?
Oct 13 22:04:14 <[Rui]> TAsn: can you send me a dmesg on your smartv7?
Oct 13 22:04:27 <[Rui]> TAsn: I'm seriously considering forfeiting my dislike for 800x480 :)
Oct 13 22:04:40 <[Rui]> TAsn: having someone else to play with is so much funnier than not :)
Oct 13 22:05:30 <TAsn> [Rui], one problem: didn't get it yet.
Oct 13 22:05:33 <TAsn> :(
Oct 13 22:05:38 <[Rui]> TAsn: ah, oh well...
Oct 13 22:06:25 <TAsn> ;P
Oct 13 22:06:46 <[Rui]> it still gets to be 190 USD all things considered
Oct 13 22:06:59 <TAsn> for me it's 150$ + 18$ shipment
Oct 13 22:07:07 <TAsn> maybe reaches 190$ with a gyrpo/gps module :P
Oct 13 22:07:13 <TAsn> and a solder device.
Oct 13 22:07:16 <[Rui]> only with leather case (+10)
Oct 13 22:07:41 <TAsn> you and your leather case.
Oct 13 22:08:01 <TAsn> btw if anyone is coming to Israel: I have a never been used freerunner leather case
Oct 13 22:08:05 <TAsn> I'm willing to give away :P
Oct 13 22:08:34 <[Rui]> one of those belt clip ones?
Oct 13 22:08:49 <[Rui]> if you check the shipping to Portugal, I'll pay you the shipping ;)
Oct 13 22:09:48 <TAsn> too much work :P
Oct 13 22:09:51 <TAsn> sec, checking
Oct 13 22:10:05 <TAsn> (not shipping costs, but if it has a clip)
Oct 13 22:10:19 <TAsn> yes.
Oct 13 22:10:24 <TAsn> the one from tux brain.
Oct 13 22:10:43 <TAsn> hm.. actually it's pretty nice
Oct 13 22:10:43 <TAsn> :P
Oct 13 22:10:49 <TAsn> hm.. I think I'll keep it :)
Oct 13 22:10:54 <[Rui]> yeah, had one, got broken too easily, but swapped with David on FOSDEM as he said it's supposed to last much longer than it did with me :)
Oct 13 22:10:56 <TAsn> (just took it out for maybe the second time)
Oct 13 22:10:59 <[Rui]> keep it :)
Oct 13 22:11:16 <TAsn> looks high quality
Oct 13 22:11:19 <TAsn> powerful magnet
Oct 13 22:11:23 <[Rui]> yeah
Oct 13 22:11:24 <[Rui]> I love it
Oct 13 22:12:14 <TAsn> nice stuff. :P
Oct 13 22:15:59 * pespin_ has one too :D
Oct 13 22:17:59 <pespin_> I've found only one thing which I don't like -> the lid opens on the side where the audio jack is. SO it's difficult to use the phone while listening to music
Oct 13 22:19:00 <TAsn> I don't listen to music too much.
Oct 13 22:19:21 <pespin_> I mainly use it for music+phone
Oct 13 22:20:03 <[Rui]> pespin: if I could find decent headphones with a jack that fits I'd use it too
Oct 13 22:20:27 <pespin_> yeah, it's difficult to find these little ones, and are more expensive too
Oct 13 22:20:56 <pespin_> an lately intone freezes sometimes when pressing play button
Oct 13 22:20:59 <[Rui]> I have to go to a specialized sound shop, maybe they have some mini adapter
Oct 13 22:21:07 * pespin_ waiting for enjoy to get more mature :D
Oct 13 22:21:19 <TAsn> [Rui], I have an adapter
Oct 13 22:21:24 <TAsn> [Rui], dealextreme.com
Oct 13 22:21:36 <TAsn> costs 0.5$ incl worldwide shippment.
Oct 13 22:21:38 <TAsn> shipment*
Oct 13 22:21:44 <[Rui]> including? lol neat
Oct 13 22:21:50 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 13 22:21:51 <[Rui]> how do they even make a profit?
Oct 13 22:21:55 <pespin_> lol
Oct 13 22:22:11 <TAsn> abusing 4y/o chinese kids.
Oct 13 22:22:12 <TAsn> :|
Oct 13 22:22:12 <[Rui]> what is it called in english?
Oct 13 22:22:23 <TAsn> [Rui], 3.5 -> 2.5 adapter
Oct 13 22:22:27 <TAsn> or something.
Oct 13 22:22:28 <[Rui]> TAsn: what, the kids are paying them the device? :)
Oct 13 22:22:52 <TAsn> [Rui], no, kiddie porn. :|
Oct 13 22:23:01 <TAsn> j/k, they sell those stuff for cheap
Oct 13 22:23:05 <TAsn> but then sell other stuff
Oct 13 22:23:07 <TAsn> for a bit more
Oct 13 22:23:16 <TAsn> and they are very known around the world
Oct 13 22:23:20 <pespin_> you may be get advertisements while listening through that adapter hehe
Oct 13 22:23:30 <TAsn> They actually made money on me. :P
Oct 13 22:23:39 <TAsn> pespin_, I have noscript+adblock
Oct 13 22:23:43 <TAsn> I never get ads
Oct 13 22:23:54 <TAsn> so no idea if they have.
Oct 13 22:24:02 <pespin_> TAsn, me too, adblock + flashblock :D
Oct 13 22:24:30 <TAsn> lol, they support google translate
Oct 13 22:24:40 <TAsn> I got the site translated
Oct 13 22:24:46 <TAsn> (support = in a menu)
Oct 13 22:32:58 <[Rui]> TAsn: you remember what section?
Oct 13 22:37:15 <[Rui]> it's a small cable or just a small adapter?
Oct 13 22:38:33 <[Rui]> hms, they have one, not so cheap, with a microphone and a clip, maybe I'll get that one instead
Oct 13 22:44:43 <[Rui]> I'm still baffled, 1.85 USD with world wide free shipping. I simply can't believe the manufacturing cost compensates :)
Oct 13 23:16:17 <[Rui]> so, are gta02 images still stuck in test land?
Oct 13 23:41:16 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: WRT desktop icons being weirded out... <devilhorns> playya, [Rui] yup, as I suspected ... theme issue :( 
Oct 13 23:51:26 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: <devilhorns> [Rui], as an example, I switched to the efennit theme (and my eyes are still sore btw), and it was ok
Oct 13 23:51:33 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: <devilhorns> (ok as in the icons all fit) (but they did overlap each other but that is an efennit theme issue)
Oct 13 23:51:38 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: <devilhorns> [Rui], so, would seem that someone has made a change somewhere in the default E theme that borks the icons :(
Oct 13 23:51:44 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: <devilhorns> but code wise, there is no problem
Oct 13 23:53:38 <[Rui]> JaMa|Zzzz: <devilhorns> tho it seems nobody has made any change to the default theme that would affect it
Oct 14 02:51:01 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07utilities * r3b9383945c1d 10/palmpre/read_tokens/src/read_tokens.c: read_tokens: Fix segfault and some code cleanup
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