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Oct 16 06:28:07 <JaMa> is someone working on adapting libphone-ui-shr to this change http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/53407 ?
Oct 16 06:36:45 <JaMa> first part done, but theme would need a few tweaks
Oct 16 07:24:07 <mrmoku> JaMa: ohh... themeable toolbar icons... nice
Oct 16 07:24:22 * mrmoku doubts anyboday started to work on that
Oct 16 07:26:11 <JaMa> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/276116/
Oct 16 07:27:50 <mrmoku> JaMa: yeah... I would say that looks good... though... what do I know about elm :P
Oct 16 07:28:42 * mrmoku always has to actually run stuff on the device to see if elm behaves like he would have thought it should ;)
Oct 16 07:30:30 <JaMa> this was only fix for me to build that recipe :) the theme needs right alias to find those icons
Oct 16 07:33:36 <mrmoku> STOCK_ICON("pl-in.png", "icon/phonelog-incoming")
Oct 16 07:33:46 <mrmoku> is what we do in icons.edc
Oct 16 07:34:36 <mrmoku> isn't that enough?
Oct 16 07:36:10 <mrmoku> ahh... it probably needs a toolbar preefix
Oct 16 07:39:28 <JaMa> yup that STOCK_ICON function sets only one name and that icon lookup is adding "menu/" or "toolbar/" prefix
Oct 16 07:42:42 <mrmoku> hmm... easiest would be to add a menu/ and a toolbar/ alias for all icons in STOCK_ICON :P
Oct 16 07:47:12 <JaMa> yup exactly what I thought first :)
Oct 16 07:54:44 <mrmoku> JaMa: what is the state of tests/shr-unstable?
Oct 16 07:54:48 <mrmoku> worth a try again?
Oct 16 07:55:19 * mrmoku has to test #587 is fixed (fso trac)
Oct 16 07:55:31 <JaMa> I'm reflashing right now..
Oct 16 07:56:28 <mrmoku> JaMa: btw. what do you think about beagleboard xm?
Oct 16 07:56:47 <JaMa> it's that already killed by pandaboard? :)
Oct 16 07:56:55 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 16 07:57:17 <mrmoku> but somebody offered some devel devices to port SHR onto it
Oct 16 07:58:04 <mrmoku> and I can very well imagine SHR being used as part of a car entertainment system or intelligent home remote :)
Oct 16 07:59:28 <JaMa> well it's nice device and same arch as n900 so no need to build all packages again :)
Oct 16 08:00:41 <mrmoku> yup, our buildhost will especialy like that part :)
Oct 16 08:02:13 <JaMa> but on other hand.. beagleboards are well supported by Angstrom.. so without real appliacation developed by SHR devs I don't see where would be SHR (as OE distro) better for it
Oct 16 08:05:19 <JaMa> btw have you ever use "waf" build system? I need to build libtalloc from samba project and it's rather hard to cross compile :/
Oct 16 08:05:39 <JaMa> there was waf.bbclass on oe-devel ML, but even with it it's kind of strange system :)
Oct 16 08:09:29 <Heinervdm> JaMa: midori uses waf
Oct 16 08:10:00 <Heinervdm> but i read a mail from koen that one can build it now without hacks
Oct 16 08:12:12 <daniele_athome> morning
Oct 16 08:14:49 * JaMa should lower his real life -j param, context switching takes now longer than actual work
Oct 16 08:16:57 <mrmoku> JaMa: (waf) think I read about it... never tried it though
Oct 16 08:17:36 <JaMa> Heinervdm: ahh I see it in recipe but this bbclass http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/33644 wasn't pushed yet :/
Oct 16 08:17:45 * mrmoku takes a look at playya__'s MuscPlayer API...
Oct 16 08:19:50 <Heinervdm> JaMa: and same way as midori 0.2.8 doesn't work?
Oct 16 08:22:03 <JaMa> Heinervdm: probably should if I prepare waf+config right :)
Oct 16 08:22:49 <Heinervdm> JaMa: config?
Oct 16 08:23:09 <Heinervdm> isn't there already a configure script
Oct 16 08:24:47 <JaMa> Heinervdm: if I use libtalloc_git (and libreplace_git) from samba git then those configs/wafs are including some files from upper directories
Oct 16 08:25:15 <JaMa> Heinervdm: so I need to learn a bit about waf and modify those to build standalone
Oct 16 08:25:28 <Heinervdm> ah, you want to compile from git...
Oct 16 08:26:05 <JaMa> and then I should somehow deal with conflict between libtalloc/libreplace built standalone and built as part of samba
Oct 16 08:26:13 <JaMa> I mean conflicting files in sysroots
Oct 16 08:26:23 <Heinervdm> ok
Oct 16 08:26:38 <JaMa> but if I try to use those built by samba recipe then I don't get talloc.pc which is then needed by new mesa-7.9 :/
Oct 16 08:26:39 <Heinervdm> why don't you build complete samba?
Oct 16 08:26:55 <JaMa> and DEPENDS = "samba" in mesa recipe seems a bit strange
Oct 16 08:27:05 <Heinervdm> yes
Oct 16 08:28:16 <JaMa> and even worse samba needs fix for ICE (khem already proposed few fixes, like forcing thumb off and -O0 for one file - which needs to a bit hack)
Oct 16 08:32:45 <JaMa> mrmoku: state of tests/shr-u says that ssh is not running after reflash :/
Oct 16 08:33:12 <JaMa> mrmoku: but maybe I've messed it because I've accidentaly opkg update/install some from normal not tests feeds
Oct 16 08:35:34 <JaMa> ah my fault
Oct 16 08:39:12 <mrmoku> ok, will flash it too now
Oct 16 08:39:18 <mrmoku> to see if that GPRS bug is fixed
Oct 16 08:39:46 <JaMa> gsm doesn't seems :/
Oct 16 08:39:55 <JaMa> doesn't seem to work :)
Oct 16 08:40:56 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 16 08:47:14 * mrmoku flashing anyway
Oct 16 08:47:34 <JaMa> :)
Oct 16 08:48:23 <mrmoku> this time immediately with nandwrite
Oct 16 08:48:35 <mrmoku> some day dfu-util needs investigation :P
Oct 16 08:48:57 <JaMa> NOTE: Running task 10335 of 12446 :)
Oct 16 08:51:43 <JaMa> mrmoku: please confirm that you have also fsousaged : received signal -11, shutting down... every few seconds
Oct 16 08:54:10 <mrmoku> JaMa: it is slow like hell... dim and suspend sliders are greyed out
Oct 16 08:54:12 <mrmoku> would say yes
Oct 16 08:54:20 <mrmoku> ssh does not work (yet)
Oct 16 08:54:31 <mrmoku> will check better in a few mins
Oct 16 08:59:29 * PaulFertser has avoided a bad road accident this night by pure luck. Did an inadvertent 360-degrees turn on a 5-lane highway. Damn scary. Still no clear idea how and why that happened. Luckily, there was almost nobody there at 4:30am.
Oct 16 08:59:40 <JaMa> mrmoku: that's because every fso daemon is dying quickly
Oct 16 09:00:13 <JaMa> mrmoku: I'm reflashing my image to confirm that just rebuild on buildhost should work
Oct 16 09:01:16 <PaulFertser> Going about 90-100 km/h straight, steady. Sudden loss of control, it felt like i had my front left tire blown. But post-factum inspection showed the car is all right. Damn roads. Probably slippery surface, it's ~0C. :/
Oct 16 09:01:39 <Wonka> PaulFertser: ouch.
Oct 16 09:02:06 <Wonka> I only had a loss of tachometer at 120km/h on my motorbike...
Oct 16 09:03:28 <PaulFertser> Wonka: tachometer? I even do not have one in my car :)
Oct 16 09:03:51 <PaulFertser> (I have a cadence indication on my road racing bicycle though)
Oct 16 09:04:13 <Wonka> hmm. how do you avoid speeding tickets?
Oct 16 09:04:25 <JaMa> gps? :)
Oct 16 09:04:51 <Wonka> I could do rather good educated guesses from transmission setting and motor rpm
Oct 16 09:05:00 <PaulFertser> Wonka: in russia it's common for the drivers going opposite direction to warn you by flashing lights.
Oct 16 09:05:09 <Wonka> O.o
Oct 16 09:05:38 <PaulFertser> Wonka: and i do not break the speed limit that much or that often, i've an old car (1983) you know.
Oct 16 09:06:06 <JaMa> PaulFertser: here it's common too
Oct 16 09:06:37 <PaulFertser> Wonka: most roads are not equipped with cameras, so usually the cops are just hiding somewhere along the way, measuring manually with a radar.
Oct 16 09:07:38 <Wonka> should do more measuring here at certain places...
Oct 16 09:07:41 <PaulFertser> Wonka: i have speedometer but not a tachometer.
Oct 16 09:12:26 <PaulFertser> Wonka: i hope you're wearing full protecting equipment on bike, not just a helmet. I've read too many sad stories at moto.ru :|
Oct 16 09:12:41 <mrmoku> JaMa: on first boot i have a 'broken' Desktop
Oct 16 09:12:57 <mrmoku> shows only folders like applications, appshadow, backgrounds, ...
Oct 16 09:13:21 <JaMa> mrmoku: with current tests/shr-u image?
Oct 16 09:13:33 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 16 09:13:38 <JaMa> mrmoku: can you please check if /var/volatile/appshadow exists?
Oct 16 09:14:25 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 16 09:14:43 <mrmoku> has all the 00xy.desktop links
Oct 16 09:15:12 <JaMa> and symlink in ~/.e/e/?
Oct 16 09:15:20 <JaMa> and shr-wizard started ok?
Oct 16 09:15:49 * JaMa doesn't understand why his neo is always more lucky then others :/
Oct 16 09:16:25 <Wonka> PaulFertser: of course. I'm not insane...
Oct 16 09:16:49 <Wonka> PaulFertser: leather motorbiking suit, boots, gloves, helmet
Oct 16 09:17:26 <mrmoku> JaMa: and yup, all fso daemons apart from fsotdld segfault
Oct 16 09:17:36 <Wonka> PaulFertser: even in the summer. can't understand those idiots biking in running shoes, shorts and tshirt.
Oct 16 09:17:45 <mrmoku> JaMa: shr-wizard started and I clicked exit :)
Oct 16 09:18:05 <mrmoku> root@om-gta02 ~ # ls -l .e/e/
Oct 16 09:18:05 <mrmoku> drwxr-xr-x    7 root     root             0 Oct 16 09:48 applications
Oct 16 09:18:05 <mrmoku> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            24 Oct 16 09:49 appshadow -> /var/volatile/appshadow/
Oct 16 09:18:10 <mrmoku> and some more of course
Oct 16 09:18:30 <mrmoku> and on restart of e the desktop will be ok
Oct 16 09:18:33 <JaMa> mrmoku: strange it looks ok :/
Oct 16 09:18:39 <PaulFertser> Wonka: good. :)
Oct 16 09:26:35 <mrmoku> JaMa: Efreet: ERROR. There are still 18 desktop files with old
Oct 16 09:26:35 <mrmoku> dangling references to desktop files. This application
Oct 16 09:26:35 <mrmoku> has not handled the EFREET_EVENT_DESKTOP_CACHE_UPDATE
Oct 16 09:26:35 <mrmoku> fully and released its references. Please fix the application
Oct 16 09:26:40 <mrmoku> (from session log)
Oct 16 09:29:38 <JaMa> mrmoku: that's normal, I have it in log for last year or so
Oct 16 09:30:22 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 16 09:32:24 * JaMa flashed qi with tweaked glamo timings for first time :)
Oct 16 09:32:40 <JaMa> and my image works ok (FSO wise)
Oct 16 09:33:00 <mrmoku> heh
Oct 16 09:33:26 <mrmoku> your local built from sceatch image?
Oct 16 09:33:51 <JaMa> yup
Oct 16 09:34:28 <JaMa> libtool-2.4 is usable now for shr images build (few extra feed recipes are failing)
Oct 16 09:34:42 <JaMa> maybe best way would be to push it + DISTRO_PR bump
Oct 16 09:34:48 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 16 09:37:18 <JaMa> are you ready to rebuid from scratch again? :)
Oct 16 09:38:20 <JaMa> hmm I have those really big one column icons with all e-wm configs (our/illume1/illume2) strange
Oct 16 09:39:41 <mrmoku> JaMa: I always only build lite images... so rebuild is not too bad :P
Oct 16 09:40:10 <mrmoku> it is more the buildhost having problems to build the complete feed :/
Oct 16 09:40:29 <JaMa> ok, I'll push that EFL update with it
Oct 16 09:40:30 <mrmoku> but if it is necessary... no way out
Oct 16 09:40:36 <mrmoku> oh yes
Oct 16 09:40:40 <mrmoku> does it fix the icons?
Oct 16 09:40:46 <mrmoku> I mean them being to big
Oct 16 09:40:51 <mrmoku> and just one col
Oct 16 09:41:04 <JaMa> no it doesn't :/
Oct 16 09:41:09 <mrmoku> hmm.. ok
Oct 16 09:41:27 <JaMa> as I said.. it's broken with all 3 configs/themes
Oct 16 09:41:33 <mrmoku> maybe some e config needs adjusting?
Oct 16 09:43:44 <mrmoku> value "hal_desktop" int: 1;
Oct 16 09:43:50 <mrmoku> we want that 0 ?
Oct 16 09:46:29 <JaMa> no idea 
Oct 16 09:48:24 <mrmoku> value "menu_apps_show" int: 1;
Oct 16 09:48:29 <mrmoku> is another one I have no clue about
Oct 16 09:55:24 <mrmoku> fiddling with scaling gives nice tiny icons :P
Oct 16 09:56:06 <mrmoku> JaMa: and we have to find some way to fix the touchscreen filtering
Oct 16 09:56:10 <mrmoku> that is annoying :P
Oct 16 09:57:21 <JaMa> yes :/ we can move back to tslib or integrate evfilter
Oct 16 09:57:42 <mrmoku> JaMa: what is the better way in your opinion?
Oct 16 09:59:25 <mrmoku> JaMa: if I saw correctly in the session log we could use svg icons too now?
Oct 16 09:59:46 <mrmoku> maybe it's just that the icons don't get scaled correctly...
Oct 16 10:05:13 <JaMa> mrmoku: tslib also needs small kernel patch (already in qtmoko kernel repo), evfilter needs lot more work AFAIK, so tslib looks ok, but also means we need new calibration data, update xserver-common, xorg-conf etc..
Oct 16 10:06:08 <Heinervdm> JaMa: for tslib we already have calibration data
Oct 16 10:06:12 <JaMa> where did you find it annoying (I know only about e-wm setting dialog, other places seems ok (raster said that other efl libs does some sort of filtering)
Oct 16 10:08:43 <daniele_athome> leviathan: ping
Oct 16 10:10:08 <mrmoku> JaMa: launching applications is hard too
Oct 16 10:10:43 <mrmoku> ok, then tslib is probably what we want
Oct 16 10:13:28 <mrmoku> JaMa: the keyboard for example works fine
Oct 16 10:13:46 <mrmoku> so basically those two (config and launching apps)
Oct 16 10:13:47 <JaMa> because it's not scrollable
Oct 16 10:14:00 <mrmoku> yeah, probably that's the point
Oct 16 10:14:38 <JaMa> I'm always launching apps by double click so I haven't noticed there :/
Oct 16 10:14:50 <mrmoku> hehe, ok
Oct 16 10:14:55 <mrmoku> double click works mostly, yes
Oct 16 10:15:04 <mrmoku> but sometimes I launch it twice then ;)
Oct 16 10:15:22 <JaMa> I'm setting it to double click in Home settings :)
Oct 16 10:16:10 <mrmoku> ahh
Oct 16 10:16:12 <mrmoku> :P
Oct 16 10:17:31 <JaMa> I was always using it with single-click disabled, because I was starting applications accidentaly when trying to scroll desktop
Oct 16 10:17:48 <mrmoku> just tried... that works fine :)
Oct 16 10:18:15 <JaMa> or we can port that om kernel ts driver to 2.6.34
Oct 16 10:18:56 <Heinervdm> porting the driver would probably be the best
Oct 16 10:18:57 <JaMa> but as larsc dont want to merge/maintain it in om.git then we would have to maintain it even for newer releases etc
Oct 16 10:19:27 <Heinervdm> what's his reason for this?
Oct 16 10:19:27 <JaMa> as with drm/kms patches..
Oct 16 10:19:44 <JaMa> Heinervdm: upstream merged the other driver for our ts
Oct 16 10:19:45 * mrmoku wanted to ask that too :P
Oct 16 10:20:00 <JaMa> and decided to keep filtering for userspace
Oct 16 10:20:07 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 16 10:20:18 <JaMa> which evfilter is designed for
Oct 16 10:20:35 <JaMa> but needs to be integrated to xorg evdev driver etc
Oct 16 10:20:40 <mrmoku> that probably is astrong reason not to do that then
Oct 16 10:21:33 <leviathan> daniele_athome: pong
Oct 16 10:21:39 <leviathan> daniele_athome: how are you?
Oct 16 10:21:42 <daniele_athome> hi leviathan 
Oct 16 10:21:48 <daniele_athome> fine thanks what about you?
Oct 16 10:21:57 <leviathan> freazing a bit
Oct 16 10:22:01 <leviathan> I hate winter
Oct 16 10:22:03 <leviathan> ...
Oct 16 10:22:07 <daniele_athome> i love winter :D
Oct 16 10:22:09 <JaMa> well we can hope that userspace filtering will be more demanded now and someone else will integrate it to evdev xorg driver soon
Oct 16 10:22:17 <daniele_athome> no unbreathable hotness
Oct 16 10:22:21 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 10:22:32 <daniele_athome> leviathan, i didn't get very well your reply
Oct 16 10:22:48 <daniele_athome> i mean fso is using xml introspection for quite a while
Oct 16 10:22:56 <daniele_athome> maybe i didn't understand your point :)
Oct 16 10:23:01 <leviathan> daniele_athome: I love amazonia... Always around 30 degrees... wanna go there again
Oct 16 10:23:07 <daniele_athome> lol
Oct 16 10:23:12 <leviathan> hmm
Oct 16 10:23:13 <leviathan> ok
Oct 16 10:23:15 <leviathan> ahh
Oct 16 10:23:18 <leviathan> you mean the ML?
Oct 16 10:23:24 <daniele_athome> yes sorry :)
Oct 16 10:23:32 <leviathan> perhaps I got you wrong
Oct 16 10:23:34 <leviathan> lol
Oct 16 10:23:42 <leviathan> chaos
Oct 16 10:23:57 <daniele_athome> leviathan, in my post i've just proposed to modify the xml files to be more suited to a code generator
Oct 16 10:24:31 <daniele_athome> leviathan, what did you get? :)
Oct 16 10:25:30 <JaMa> hmm illume doesn't work well on my desktop
Oct 16 10:25:40 <leviathan> I thought it would be a new innovation, to generate code
Oct 16 10:25:44 <leviathan> in FSO
Oct 16 10:25:47 <leviathan> out of xml
Oct 16 10:25:49 <leviathan> ... hmm
Oct 16 10:25:57 <JaMa> anyone with recent EFL on desktop with illume profile? to test desktop icon size?
Oct 16 10:25:57 <daniele_athome> leviathan, actually there is already a vala code generator
Oct 16 10:26:12 <daniele_athome> but it is too "generic" IMO
Oct 16 10:26:12 <leviathan> daniele_athome: I knew that vala compiles into c
Oct 16 10:26:26 <leviathan> but theres also a generator which creates vala code?
Oct 16 10:26:34 <daniele_athome> my generator generates code more similar to libframeworkd-glib
Oct 16 10:26:46 <daniele_athome> leviathan, yes, libfso-glib takes xml files and generate vala code
Oct 16 10:26:53 <leviathan> fso should really be called free smartphone multi wrapper
Oct 16 10:26:56 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 10:26:59 <daniele_athome> then vala compiler generates C code
Oct 16 10:27:04 <daniele_athome> but it's pure gobject C code
Oct 16 10:27:09 <daniele_athome> i don't like that much :D
Oct 16 10:27:23 <leviathan> In my presentation I found out
Oct 16 10:27:24 <daniele_athome> so i wrote a generator that could create code in a more C-fashion
Oct 16 10:27:36 <daniele_athome> more like libframeworkd-glib
Oct 16 10:27:37 <leviathan> that in fso we have a wrapper for a wrapper for a wrapper
Oct 16 10:27:45 <leviathan> lets say a multiwhopper
Oct 16 10:27:46 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 10:27:49 <daniele_athome> lol
Oct 16 10:27:56 <daniele_athome> nooo it isn't true :P
Oct 16 10:28:03 <daniele_athome> no we have 3 wrappers in C
Oct 16 10:28:07 <daniele_athome> 1 in vala
Oct 16 10:28:10 <leviathan> ok
Oct 16 10:28:15 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 10:28:23 <daniele_athome> but i C wrapper is no more maintained
Oct 16 10:28:31 <daniele_athome> that's it :)
Oct 16 10:28:40 <leviathan> hi, I'd like to have an extra fsoy tripplewhopper with vala and c
Oct 16 10:28:44 <daniele_athome> *one c wrapper
Oct 16 10:29:02 <leviathan> kingsize or embedded?
Oct 16 10:29:04 <leviathan> :-D
Oct 16 10:29:25 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Oct 16 10:30:11 <leviathan> would be a nice classification for development environment
Oct 16 10:30:36 <leviathan> kingsize (super computing), medium (PC), small(embedded)
Oct 16 10:30:44 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 10:31:38 <leviathan> daniele_athome: ok, then you can now create code out of xml directly into c-style
Oct 16 10:32:00 <leviathan> so that we can skip the vala detour?
Oct 16 10:32:05 <daniele_athome> leviathan, yes... i think vala stuff is "medium", mine is "small" :P
Oct 16 10:32:14 <daniele_athome> gobject carries a lot of stuff
Oct 16 10:32:16 <leviathan> oki ^^
Oct 16 10:32:34 <leviathan> now I got you
Oct 16 10:32:47 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 16 10:32:57 <daniele_athome> ok
Oct 16 10:33:14 <leviathan> sry
Oct 16 10:33:56 <leviathan> I'm a bit befuddled atm, because of too much stuff to learn
Oct 16 10:34:10 <daniele_athome> np
Oct 16 10:34:10 <leviathan> and then we are also creating a new OpenMoko Smartphone soo
Oct 16 10:34:17 <daniele_athome> i saw that
Oct 16 10:35:07 <leviathan> great news
Oct 16 10:35:12 <leviathan> we will use a reprap ^^
Oct 16 10:35:53 <leviathan> and perhaps sean and I will do the first fabrication using repraps+chinese people xD
Oct 16 10:36:31 <leviathan> I already see some things in this project growing veeery ugly
Oct 16 10:38:01 <daniele_athome> leviathan: reprap?
Oct 16 10:38:04 <daniele_athome> what's that?
Oct 16 10:38:08 <daniele_athome> and what do you mean by ugly?
Oct 16 10:39:37 <leviathan> daniele_athome: first: RepRap stands for self repducting rapid prototyper
Oct 16 10:39:49 <leviathan> http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
Oct 16 10:40:07 <leviathan> The newer one (Huxley/MiniMendel/RepRap3)
Oct 16 10:40:16 <leviathan> is able to draw very filligran parts
Oct 16 10:40:22 <leviathan> perfect for a smartphone
Oct 16 10:40:56 <leviathan> second: with ugly I mean, that I'm already planning here to use chinese people for cheap work... thats ugly... >_<
Oct 16 10:44:36 <daniele_athome> lol, right
Oct 16 10:52:56 <daniele_athome> leviathan, any date? :)
Oct 16 10:53:02 <daniele_athome> (and price :P )
Oct 16 10:54:33 <leviathan> hmm
Oct 16 10:54:39 <leviathan> we came down from 2000€
Oct 16 10:54:44 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 10:54:49 <leviathan> to around 200€
Oct 16 10:55:01 <leviathan> because atm I am playing chinese
Oct 16 10:55:02 <leviathan> -__
Oct 16 10:55:06 <leviathan> -_-
Oct 16 10:56:40 <leviathan> I'll build some of them together
Oct 16 10:56:45 <leviathan> as soon as the first runs well
Oct 16 10:56:56 <leviathan> then we can distribute prototypes to developers
Oct 16 10:57:08 <leviathan> or you can order a self build set
Oct 16 10:57:22 <leviathan> with all parts in a big bag
Oct 16 10:57:25 <leviathan> :-D
Oct 16 10:57:53 <leviathan> that would be a cool idea
Oct 16 10:58:10 <leviathan> homebrew smartphone build set
Oct 16 10:58:22 <daniele_athome> lol
Oct 16 10:58:39 <daniele_athome> leviathan, chances for me to be in the propotype distribution list? :P
Oct 16 10:58:53 <leviathan> depends ;-)
Oct 16 10:59:24 <leviathan> we have around 20 boards in queue
Oct 16 10:59:30 <leviathan> if I got niklaus right
Oct 16 10:59:40 <leviathan> so perhaps we could sell you one
Oct 16 10:59:46 <leviathan> we are only around 6 people or so
Oct 16 10:59:48 <leviathan> ...
Oct 16 11:00:24 <daniele_athome> leviathan, let me know anyway ;)
Oct 16 11:00:32 <leviathan> the chassis for the boards is repraped very easily
Oct 16 11:00:34 <leviathan> i mean
Oct 16 11:00:49 <leviathan> as soon as I got hardware, forming bit plastic is no problem with this device
Oct 16 11:00:50 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 16 11:01:17 <leviathan> only issue: the display...
Oct 16 11:01:33 <leviathan> its the mainpart of the cost
Oct 16 11:01:34 <leviathan> ...
Oct 16 11:01:46 <daniele_athome> i see
Oct 16 11:01:59 <leviathan> sadly, the reprap can't produce AMOLED displays yet
Oct 16 11:02:12 <leviathan> his nozzle is not enough fine
Oct 16 11:02:29 <leviathan> to put the conducting plastic enough precise
Oct 16 11:02:57 <leviathan> but everything else is possible
Oct 16 11:03:00 <leviathan> from lasercuting
Oct 16 11:03:03 <leviathan> to sintering
Oct 16 11:03:11 <leviathan> over pcb manufacturing
Oct 16 11:03:27 <leviathan> onto 3d printing
Oct 16 11:03:40 <leviathan> nearly everything is possible with a reprap
Oct 16 11:04:16 <leviathan> its the "eierlegende wollmilchsau"
Oct 16 11:05:16 <Wonka> hehe
Oct 16 11:05:23 <Wonka> we're building one here in kiel too
Oct 16 11:06:12 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 11:07:01 <leviathan> http://kamelopedia.mormo.org/images/f/f3/Wollmilchsau.jpg
Oct 16 11:07:03 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 16 11:07:36 <leviathan> Wonka: nice
Oct 16 11:07:50 <leviathan> Wonka: RepRaps are cool
Oct 16 11:08:10 <leviathan> I don't understand how only a few people have one
Oct 16 11:08:29 <Wonka> the plastic part sets are quite expensive
Oct 16 11:08:40 <yang> leviathan: I saw the video it seems interesting, with applications being developed and being ready for download you can have your own little factory, I am just not sure about the price of the plastic wire
Oct 16 11:10:33 <yang> so the price will be around 200 EUR when the prototype is ready ?
Oct 16 11:11:44 <yang> I would of wait for the customer ready reprap, since I am not much of a developer myself
Oct 16 11:13:22 <leviathan> we need to check it
Oct 16 11:13:31 <leviathan> I will do a webshop
Oct 16 11:13:43 <leviathan> then there will be the fix price
Oct 16 11:13:50 <leviathan> it might always explode
Oct 16 11:13:58 <leviathan> still we don't have bought the parts
Oct 16 11:14:01 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 16 11:14:02 <yang> Reprap III Huxley looks nice
Oct 16 11:14:06 <leviathan> yes
Oct 16 11:14:30 <leviathan> high precision
Oct 16 11:14:36 <leviathan> ahh. btw: http://www.inventables.com/technologies/steel-like-plastic
Oct 16 11:14:38 <leviathan> nice
Oct 16 11:14:40 <leviathan> ^^
Oct 16 11:14:42 <yang> but it would maybe be a problem to build it, it would need a good IKEA-style plan
Oct 16 11:14:57 <leviathan> uhm
Oct 16 11:15:05 <leviathan> theres such a plan
Oct 16 11:15:06 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 11:15:16 <yang> to make it customer ready it needs to be assembled easily
Oct 16 11:15:34 <leviathan> hmm
Oct 16 11:15:36 <leviathan> ok
Oct 16 11:15:39 <Wonka> without soldering iron?
Oct 16 11:16:06 <yang> but for 200 EUR its a good price
Oct 16 11:16:13 <leviathan> well
Oct 16 11:16:18 <yang> what is the cost of the plastic wire ?
Oct 16 11:16:36 <leviathan> for this dimension
Oct 16 11:16:42 <leviathan> the wire used costs around...
Oct 16 11:16:47 <leviathan> uhm 6€
Oct 16 11:16:48 <leviathan> xD
Oct 16 11:16:52 <Wonka> hmm. conductive glue...
Oct 16 11:16:57 <leviathan> yes
Oct 16 11:17:03 <leviathan> that would be great ;-D
Oct 16 11:17:11 <leviathan> then we could reprap pcbs
Oct 16 11:17:53 <Wonka> bga glueing
Oct 16 11:17:59 <yang> a 3d scanner would also be a good thing, so that you can replicate some part
Oct 16 11:18:17 <yang> if oyu need something you place it on the box, scan it in 3d, then build it
Oct 16 11:18:36 <yang> it should be somehow performed by the click
Oct 16 11:18:49 <yang> that would be a good solution
Oct 16 11:28:15 <leviathan> hmm
Oct 16 11:28:22 <leviathan> yang: might also be possible
Oct 16 11:28:31 <leviathan> but not by a riprap directly
Oct 16 11:28:36 <leviathan> but with holography
Oct 16 11:28:38 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 16 11:33:46 <JaMa> mrmoku: DISTRO_PR bump pushed
Oct 16 11:34:03 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok, starting rebuild then... before lunch :)
Oct 16 11:42:43 <leviathan> Wonka: what do you think about this material? http://www.inventables.com/technologies/steel-like-plastic
Oct 16 11:42:58 <Wonka> leviathan: if it works...
Oct 16 11:43:13 <leviathan> it might become possible to reprap nearly everything needed for another reprap
Oct 16 11:43:15 <Wonka> leviathan: there's not much info there, nor?
Oct 16 11:43:37 <leviathan> its only very likely that its very expensive
Oct 16 12:58:29 <CIA-102> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07libphone-ui-shr * r601d02d007d3 10/src/view/ (phone-log-view.c quick-settings-view.c): adapt to API change from r53407
Oct 16 12:58:40 <CIA-102> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07libphone-ui-shr * rdd7a1a8ca0a0 10/src/view/ (phone-log-view.c quick-settings-view.c): adapt to API change from r53406
Oct 16 13:02:20 <daniele_athome> TAsn: ping
Oct 16 13:03:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> sigh....again battery discharged
Oct 16 13:03:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> and I can't charge it
Oct 16 13:03:28 <CIA-102> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07libphone-ui-shr * rd4c38a94556d 10/src/view/ (phone-log-view.c quick-settings-view.c): fix adapt to API change from r53406
Oct 16 13:03:40 <daniele_athome> GNUtoo|laptop, why?
Oct 16 13:03:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> I put a cable(usb or power)
Oct 16 13:03:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> it charge a bit
Oct 16 13:03:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> then the n900 boots
Oct 16 13:03:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> and consume the battery
Oct 16 13:04:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> and reboots
Oct 16 13:04:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> before I have a chance to ssh into it
Oct 16 13:04:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> or run the battery script
Oct 16 13:05:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> DocScrutinizer, any ideas?
Oct 16 13:08:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> damn
Oct 16 13:08:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
Oct 16 13:08:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> I made it this time
Oct 16 13:09:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 3312 NAC: 2 Battery level: 0 %
Oct 16 13:13:00 <[Rui]> hi all
Oct 16 13:13:38 <[Rui]> ouch, gta02 images still borked?
Oct 16 13:16:14 <daniele_athome> hello [Rui] 
Oct 16 13:17:00 <daniele_athome> lol GNUtoo|laptop
Oct 16 13:18:15 <[Rui]> daniele_athome: hi :)
Oct 16 13:18:25 <daniele_athome> [Rui], how's going?
Oct 16 13:18:35 <[Rui]> bad, working  :) day job... on a Saturday.
Oct 16 13:18:41 <daniele_athome> eheh
Oct 16 13:18:50 <daniele_athome> [Rui], you know i want to put you in the authors file
Oct 16 13:19:01 <daniele_athome> if you give me real name or nickname and e-mail to put in
Oct 16 13:19:03 <daniele_athome> in query
Oct 16 13:19:04 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 13:19:10 <daniele_athome> (i mean of mokojeweled)
Oct 16 13:19:30 <JaMa> [Rui]: yes.. now rebuilding from scratch
Oct 16 13:19:32 <[Rui]> :) thanks... but you did most of the work, you could use the ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS file for it
Oct 16 13:19:49 <[Rui]> I only helped a tiny bit
Oct 16 13:20:04 <JaMa> NOTE: Running task 542 of 8932
Oct 16 13:20:26 <[Rui]> JaMa: ouf... will take some time :)
Oct 16 14:06:03 <pespin> daniele_athome, are you the mokojeweled author, am I wrong? :)
Oct 16 14:06:12 <daniele_athome> pespin, i am
Oct 16 14:07:22 <pespin> daniele_athome, great. Just to let you know, that if I get the screen rotated using xrandr and start a new game, it doesn't show correctly.
Oct 16 14:07:29 <pespin> hope you understand what I mean
Oct 16 14:07:31 <daniele_athome> pespin, i know :)
Oct 16 14:07:39 <daniele_athome> got to fix screen changes
Oct 16 14:07:46 <pespin> ok :)
Oct 16 14:08:33 <pespin> JaMa, (task 542) this if for gta02 unstable images?
Oct 16 14:09:10 <[Rui]> pespin: it was
Oct 16 14:09:19 <pespin> ok thanks :)
Oct 16 14:11:40 <JaMa> pespin: yes
Oct 16 14:13:29 <JaMa> pespin: but I expect to keep those in tests again until we resolve ts filtering somehow
Oct 16 14:14:58 <pespin> JaMa, uhm what's this "ts filtering problem" ? I was not aware of it
Oct 16 14:15:47 <JaMa> we've talked about it here today, please read today's log for more info
Oct 16 14:16:24 <mrmoku> pespin: no more filtering of touchscreen events in 2.6.34
Oct 16 14:18:25 <JaMa> http://www.mail-archive.com/shr-devel@lists.shr-project.org/msg02962.html
Oct 16 14:18:36 <pespin> ok :)
Oct 16 14:27:03 <[Rui]> JaMa: WRT "3) newer FSO built with newer vala (but no specific fix for GPRS issue)" I think mickeyl already fixed this
Oct 16 14:27:15 <[Rui]> unless someone tested in the meanwhile and it's still broken.
Oct 16 14:28:27 <JaMa> sorry cannot change text of 10days old e-mail :)
Oct 16 14:28:45 <JaMa> and yes fix is already built but not tested yet
Oct 16 14:29:35 <JaMa> mrmoku: btw not best day for rebuild :( do_unpack is broken (doesn't prefer machine specific files in SRC_URI making ie xorg-conf or kernel defconfigs unusable..)
Oct 16 14:29:38 <[Rui]> np, was just mentioning that in case you didn't know
Oct 16 14:29:54 <JaMa> mrmoku: I'll ping you with list of recipes in need to rebuild when do_unpack is fixed..
Oct 16 14:29:59 * JaMa leaving for dinner
Oct 16 14:31:33 <mrmoku> JaMa: ohh fun :/
Oct 16 14:31:39 <mrmoku> have a nice dinner
Oct 16 14:32:32 <[Rui]> hehe I love timezone differences :)
Oct 16 14:39:51 <mrmoku> [Rui]: well... timezone + culture :P
Oct 16 14:40:02 * pespin 's going to prepare lunch now :P
Oct 16 14:40:46 <[Rui]> hehehe yeah... I also kind of dine late for Portuguese standards :)
Oct 16 14:43:16 <mrmoku> [Rui]: that would be around midnight then... right? :P
Oct 16 14:43:46 <[Rui]> mrmoku: nah, most pt people dine circa 19-20, I usually dine circa-20-22 :)
Oct 16 14:49:25 <pespin> 20-22 it's usual inner time in spain hehe
Oct 16 15:30:36 <TAsn> daniele_athome, grr, sorry mate, I just finished what I had to do for today (actually only a small part of what I had to do) I will try to review it later, but no promises :(
Oct 16 15:30:54 <morphis> heyho
Oct 16 15:30:54 <daniele_athome> TAsn, np
Oct 16 15:30:55 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 15:31:12 <daniele_athome> TAsn, just i have another modification, but it's little stuff
Oct 16 15:31:18 <daniele_athome> OUTER LEFT JOIN -> JOIN
Oct 16 15:31:23 <daniele_athome> in my custom query
Oct 16 15:31:25 <daniele_athome> that's it :)
Oct 16 15:32:46 <TAsn> are you sure you want that?
Oct 16 15:33:03 <TAsn> (it of course depends on the situation)
Oct 16 15:33:09 <TAsn> I bet you want outer left.
Oct 16 15:34:38 <daniele_athome> TAsn, outer join is used only on unread counting 
Oct 16 15:34:49 <daniele_athome> so if no 'New' attribute is present, i can skip it
Oct 16 15:34:50 <daniele_athome> no?
Oct 16 15:35:00 <TAsn> yeah, ok.
Oct 16 15:35:10 <TAsn> in that case you need inner join
Oct 16 15:35:14 <TAsn> you are right.
Oct 16 15:36:49 <daniele_athome> ok
Oct 16 15:36:53 <daniele_athome> let's talk in one place :P
Oct 16 15:37:15 <TAsn> probably better 
Oct 16 15:37:16 <TAsn> :P
Oct 16 15:37:23 <TAsn> Actually, /me is going to rest a bit.
Oct 16 15:37:24 <daniele_athome> i have that modification in my local copy
Oct 16 15:37:32 <TAsn> Just cleaned up the storage area
Oct 16 15:37:34 <daniele_athome> when i'll push it with the big commit
Oct 16 15:37:35 <TAsn> in the last 4 hours.
Oct 16 15:37:39 <daniele_athome> eheh
Oct 16 15:37:41 <mrmoku> morphis: hey
Oct 16 15:37:41 <daniele_athome> go rest TAsn 
Oct 16 15:37:55 <TAsn> daniele_athome, modifications, yeah, just push whenever :P
Oct 16 15:38:04 <TAsn> (after I take a quick look)
Oct 16 15:38:09 <TAsn> (hopefully tonight)
Oct 16 15:38:18 <mrmoku> morphis: I would like to start investigating time in fsoboot again :)
Oct 16 15:38:19 <daniele_athome> i wait for you TAsn, no hurry anyway
Oct 16 15:38:26 <mrmoku> morphis: did you have any success in debugging it?
Oct 16 15:39:26 <morphis> mrmoku: puuh, I looked on the code some weeks ago
Oct 16 15:39:38 <morphis> and would like to restructure it a bit 
Oct 16 15:41:54 <mrmoku> morphis: ok, so I better wait?
Oct 16 15:43:37 <morphis> mrmoku: hm
Oct 16 15:43:52 <morphis> you want to write vala code when you say "start investigating time"?
Oct 16 15:46:17 <daniele_athome> perhaps investing
Oct 16 15:46:20 <daniele_athome> mrmoku
Oct 16 15:48:31 <morphis> hehe
Oct 16 15:51:38 <morphis> daniele_athome: we have to talk about the application-management-thing ... I miss this in last time to do ...
Oct 16 15:51:58 <daniele_athome> morphis, sure
Oct 16 15:56:09 <mrmoku> morphis: some day I will have to properly learn vala - so why not now ;)
Oct 16 15:56:45 <morphis> mrmoku: ok
Oct 16 15:56:50 <morphis> then work with the current state
Oct 16 15:57:08 <morphis> if I have some time, I will start refactoring the current code in a separate branch
Oct 16 15:57:41 <mrmoku> ok, I will start to experiment with it... to find out why it does not boot at all
Oct 16 15:57:45 <mrmoku> that might be a good first step
Oct 16 15:57:50 <morphis> jepp
Oct 16 15:58:03 <morphis> that should be very great if you find out why it doesn't boot at all
Oct 16 15:58:16 <morphis> should be some little problem somewhere in the code
Oct 16 15:58:17 <mickeyl> :)
Oct 16 15:58:20 <morphis> :)
Oct 16 15:58:25 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 16 15:59:10 <mrmoku> mickeyl: testing if that GPRS bug is fixed turned out to be more difficult than expected... rebuilding from scratch again :)
Oct 16 15:59:42 <mickeyl> uh oh :)
Oct 16 15:59:46 <daniele_athome> morphis, what do we do now? :)
Oct 16 16:00:58 <morphis> hm
Oct 16 16:01:04 <morphis> we can do
Oct 16 16:01:08 <morphis> share ideas
Oct 16 16:01:47 <morphis> should I start?
Oct 16 16:02:08 <lindi-> mrmoku: what gprs bug number is it?
Oct 16 16:02:23 <daniele_athome> morphis, i prefer something written to read
Oct 16 16:02:26 <daniele_athome> can you do that?
Oct 16 16:02:30 <morphis> can do that
Oct 16 16:02:31 <daniele_athome> instead of chat :)
Oct 16 16:02:36 <morphis> will write to shr/fso ml
Oct 16 16:02:40 <daniele_athome> good :)
Oct 16 16:02:55 <daniele_athome> in reply i will comment it and share my own ideas
Oct 16 16:02:58 <morphis> ok
Oct 16 16:03:15 <mrmoku> lindi-: #587
Oct 16 16:03:19 <mrmoku> segfault on connect
Oct 16 16:03:30 <mrmoku> though that won't effect you probably :P
Oct 16 16:03:37 <mrmoku> or did you start using fso2?
Oct 16 16:03:48 <lindi-> mrmoku: shr?
Oct 16 16:03:58 <mrmoku> fsogsmd
Oct 16 16:04:11 <mrmoku> or more something in one of it's libs
Oct 16 16:04:17 <mrmoku> libfsobasic IIRC
Oct 16 16:04:20 <lindi-> ah, segfault
Oct 16 16:04:32 <mrmoku> nothing kernel :-)
Oct 16 16:08:34 <daniele_athome> morphis, please cc me on the ML post
Oct 16 16:08:38 <daniele_athome> because i have digest mode :)
Oct 16 16:09:13 <morphis> jo, no problem :)
Oct 16 16:09:23 <morphis> why digest mode?
Oct 16 16:09:31 <daniele_athome> morphis, because i have a lot of ML :D
Oct 16 16:09:42 <morphis> ok :)
Oct 16 16:09:46 <daniele_athome> sorry
Oct 16 16:11:25 <morphis> nothing to be sorry about :)
Oct 16 16:11:31 <morphis> I just have to know about that
Oct 16 16:36:36 <mickeyl> phew, finally put that blog entry out 
Oct 16 16:36:44 <mickeyl> everything takes ages for me these days
Oct 16 16:36:46 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Oct 16 16:40:39 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, busy because of work?
Oct 16 16:40:42 <daniele_athome> or family?
Oct 16 16:40:43 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 16 16:41:05 <mickeyl> day2day work 
Oct 16 16:41:16 <mickeyl> i used to take one day "free" per week
Oct 16 16:41:28 <mickeyl> but this year i hardly managed that due to the amount of work we had 
Oct 16 16:41:47 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, iOS?!?!?
Oct 16 16:41:49 <daniele_athome> :(
Oct 16 16:41:50 <mickeyl> and the weekends i usually need to relax
Oct 16 16:41:55 <mickeyl> i'm afraid so, yes
Oct 16 16:42:21 <mickeyl> all my efforts to acquire some FSO-related contracts have failed so far, but i'm still looking :)
Oct 16 16:42:48 <mickeyl> but as we'll soon have FSO and SHR running on so many high quality devices, I'm sure all that will come ;)
Oct 16 16:42:56 * mickeyl optimist
Oct 16 16:43:15 * mrmoku surfs to vanille-media.de and reads :)
Oct 16 16:44:21 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, i hope so too :)
Oct 16 17:21:22 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, why dbus signals have problems?
Oct 16 17:23:04 <TAsn> mickeyl, what blog post?
Oct 16 17:23:17 <mickeyl> due to their broadcast nature they wake up all clients who have too wide signal masks
Oct 16 17:23:18 <TAsn> daniele_athome, the main issue I know with dbus signals
Oct 16 17:23:21 <TAsn> yeah
Oct 16 17:23:24 <TAsn> what I was about to say
Oct 16 17:23:31 <mickeyl> more over, they are always emitted, even if noone cares
Oct 16 17:23:31 <TAsn> every client needs to check if it's his :|
Oct 16 17:23:37 <mickeyl> so at the app level you would need additional measures
Oct 16 17:23:47 <mickeyl> to stop a server emitting completely
Oct 16 17:23:47 <TAsn> yeah so you get A LOT
Oct 16 17:23:49 <TAsn> of crap
Oct 16 17:23:53 <mickeyl> *nod*
Oct 16 17:23:55 <daniele_athome> ah i didn't know about that
Oct 16 17:23:59 <daniele_athome> signals are broadcasted :S
Oct 16 17:24:01 <mickeyl> TAsn: (blog post) latest on my site 
Oct 16 17:24:09 <daniele_athome> so the server doesn't keep track of the connected clients
Oct 16 17:24:12 <daniele_athome> i mean connected to signals
Oct 16 17:24:16 <TAsn> mickeyl, what's your address? :P
Oct 16 17:24:18 <mickeyl> yeah, the broadcast nature is somehow also their weakness
Oct 16 17:24:21 <mickeyl> TAsn: vanille.de
Oct 16 17:24:24 <TAsn> thx
Oct 16 17:24:47 <mickeyl> i would have expected dbus to add infrastructure that makes the "noone is listening to your signals, shut down your stuff" eventually
Oct 16 17:24:49 <mickeyl> but they don't care :)
Oct 16 17:24:54 <mickeyl> "do it on app level"
Oct 16 17:24:56 <mickeyl> is all they said
Oct 16 17:25:01 <daniele_athome> i see...
Oct 16 17:26:32 <TAsn> mickeyl, they are crazy. :|
Oct 16 17:26:50 <daniele_athome> indeed...
Oct 16 17:27:11 <TAsn> I remember hating them when I played a lot with dbus
Oct 16 17:27:16 <TAsn> they were not nice
Oct 16 17:27:22 <TAsn> hated questions
Oct 16 17:27:34 <TAsn> or in fact, hating everything that doubts their decisions.
Oct 16 17:27:42 <TAsn> even if innocent :|
Oct 16 17:28:02 <mickeyl> ya, that's very sad
Oct 16 17:28:05 <mickeyl> bbiab, dinner
Oct 16 17:28:10 <TAsn> ciao.
Oct 16 17:28:10 <daniele_athome> is there any other nice ipc mechanism?
Oct 16 17:28:13 <daniele_athome> apart from kernel ones
Oct 16 17:28:18 <TAsn> yeah, tasn-dbus
Oct 16 17:28:18 <daniele_athome> ciao mickeyl 
Oct 16 17:28:25 <TAsn> but no one wrote it yet :P
Oct 16 17:28:25 <daniele_athome> lol
Oct 16 17:28:32 <TAsn> j/k.
Oct 16 17:28:44 <mickeyl> well
Oct 16 17:28:49 * mickeyl loves CORBA
Oct 16 17:29:00 <daniele_athome> corba... mmm...
Oct 16 17:29:13 <mickey|dinner> but it's tough
Oct 16 17:29:30 <TAsn> never heard of it.
Oct 16 17:29:35 <TAsn> have fun, ciao.
Oct 16 17:34:26 <morphis> daniele_athome: will write the mail tomorrow
Oct 16 17:34:30 <morphis> daniele_athome: ok?
Oct 16 17:34:37 <daniele_athome> np morphis :)
Oct 16 17:34:42 <daniele_athome> got to go now
Oct 16 17:34:47 <daniele_athome> have a nice night
Oct 16 17:51:26 <JaMa> The new revision of SHR-T we are talking about, is the last solution                    
Oct 16 17:51:29 <JaMa> to save SHR from death.                                                                                                                                       
Oct 16 17:51:32 <JaMa> hmm 
Oct 16 17:51:58 <TAsn> lolz :P
Oct 16 17:52:15 <TAsn> I honestly think that the biggest problem with shr was always the hw
Oct 16 17:52:24 <TAsn> We could have just implemented everything in python
Oct 16 17:52:31 <TAsn> in days
Oct 16 17:52:39 <TAsn> and then rewrite in c/vala just like fso
Oct 16 17:52:43 <TAsn> if it wasn't for the hw.
Oct 16 18:14:35 <mrmoku> TAsn: that is a lame excuse though ;)
Oct 16 18:16:03 <mrmoku> because we could have done better even with that hw :)
Oct 16 18:23:05 * mrmoku is tempted to add proximity support to phonefsod
Oct 16 18:23:36 <mrmoku> TAsn: you probably will say proximity is libphone-ui domain ?
Oct 16 18:32:07 <Q-Master> JaMa: Upgrading eglibc-locale-ru on root from 2.12-r12.5+svnr11306.5 to 2.12-r14.5+svnr11306.5...
Oct 16 18:32:07 <Q-Master> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/eglibc-locale-ru_2.12-r14.5+svnr11306.5_armv4t.ipk.
Oct 16 18:32:08 <Q-Master> Collected errors:
Oct 16 18:32:10 <Q-Master>  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for eglibc-locale-ru:
Oct 16 18:32:12 <Q-Master>  *      virtual-locale-ru *
Oct 16 18:36:01 <JaMa> Q-Master: fixed > week ago in tests/shr-u, but cannot sync it to normal feeds
Oct 16 18:36:14 <Q-Master> ah. ok
Oct 16 18:36:49 <JaMa> http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=64538f2527fc86aa2be1b3d07d5ece813e6017da
Oct 16 19:40:07 <JaMa> mrmoku: for that unpack issue see oe-devel ML, but it's not yet pushed and not even complete :/ so better wait before rebuilding packages which are using those OVERRIDES :/
Oct 16 19:49:55 <alexxy> JaMa: ping 
Oct 16 19:50:11 <alexxy> JaMa: does tests/shr-unstable has working telephony?
Oct 16 19:55:00 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok, thanks for warning :)
Oct 16 19:56:30 <alexxy> mrmoku: is telephony working in tests/shr-unstable?
Oct 16 19:59:07 <JaMa> alexxy: no
Oct 16 19:59:16 <alexxy> ahhh
Oct 16 19:59:47 <JaMa> alexxy: rebuild from scratch is running now.. then it should work ok
Oct 16 19:59:56 <alexxy> ok
Oct 16 20:00:07 <alexxy> can you ping me when you'll finish
Oct 16 20:00:08 <alexxy> ?
Oct 16 20:00:15 <JaMa> you can check http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-unstable-rebuild/ for images
Oct 16 20:00:27 <JaMa> it will finish maybe tomorrow night or monday..
Oct 16 20:00:54 <JaMa> and I'm off tomorrow (in kite school :)) and I'm not sure I'll ever return :)
Oct 16 20:05:50 <JaMa> mrmoku: bitbake -c clean initscripts xserver-xorg-conf alsa-state matchbox-wm usb-gadget-mode pointercal udev base-files keymap-locales keymaps mplayer-common pointercal-xinput netbase frameworkd fso-abyss fso-alsa-data udev-static-devices tslib gpsd watchdog
Oct 16 20:06:27 <mrmoku> JaMa: hehe, ok
Oct 16 20:06:36 <mrmoku> and take care... kites are very powerfull :)
Oct 16 20:06:59 <JaMa> but first you have to apply those 2 patches from ml (or better wait if they are really OK and applied)
Oct 16 20:07:06 <mrmoku> JaMa: and my build failed at libgee now
Oct 16 20:07:18 <mrmoku> | libtool: link: warning: `/OE/tmp/sysroots/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.la' seems to be moved
Oct 16 20:07:23 <JaMa> mrmoku: ahh, care for manuall workaround?
Oct 16 20:07:36 <mrmoku> sure :)
Oct 16 20:09:08 <JaMa> mrmoku: open libgee/gee/libgee.la and remove those .la entries starting with =/ which are twice (libgthread-2.0 and libglib-2.0)
Oct 16 20:09:11 <mrmoku> morphis: the first thing that can't work in fsoinitd is to start logging at start
Oct 16 20:09:25 <JaMa> mrmoku: then copy it from libgee/gee/libgee.la to libgee/gee/.libs/libgee.lai
Oct 16 20:09:46 <JaMa> mrmoku: and then bitbake -b libgee_0.6.bb should build it ok
Oct 16 20:10:19 * JaMa should fix it properly.. :/
Oct 16 20:10:55 <mrmoku> JaMa: that looks like someone had a bad sed foo ;)
Oct 16 20:11:33 <JaMa> yup I've already tried to fix it in libtool sources but without luck (its a bit more complicated there..)
Oct 16 20:12:05 <mrmoku> ok thanks
Oct 16 20:13:11 <JaMa> libtool reads referenced .la files from sysroots, picks libs from them, tries to resolve sysroot paths and then skips duplicities, the problem is that somewhere it picks unresolved sysroot path and doesn't drop it as duplicity
Oct 16 20:14:27 <mrmoku> hmm fun
Oct 16 20:15:46 <mrmoku> JaMa: worked :)
Oct 16 21:17:13 <morphis> mrmoku: ping
Oct 16 21:17:17 <morphis> mrmoku: logging can work
Oct 16 21:17:24 <morphis> mrmoku: it depends on the destination
Oct 16 21:17:31 <morphis> and whats already in /dev
Oct 16 21:18:06 <mrmoku> morphis: rootfs might be ro... which leaves only console for logging, no?
Oct 16 21:18:30 <morphis> kmesg
Oct 16 21:18:42 <morphis> and on pre there is klog too
Oct 16 21:18:47 <mrmoku> morphis: anyway... what is FsoFramework.logger doing by default?
Oct 16 21:18:49 <mrmoku> without any config?
Oct 16 21:18:59 <morphis> puuh
Oct 16 21:19:02 <morphis> stderr I think
Oct 16 21:19:13 <mrmoku> hmm... that should work then
Oct 16 21:19:21 <morphis> but /dev/console should be created by the kernel I think
Oct 16 21:19:23 <morphis> jepp
Oct 16 21:19:31 <morphis> let me look at the source
Oct 16 21:20:28 <morphis> jepp, DEFAULT_LOG_TYPE = "stderr"
Oct 16 21:20:39 <morphis> DEFAULT_LOG_LEVEL = "INFO"
Oct 16 21:20:43 <mrmoku> hmm, ok
Oct 16 21:20:51 <morphis> DEFAULT_LOG_DESTINATION = "/tmp/frameworkd.log"
Oct 16 21:21:09 <mrmoku> which does not matter for stderr
Oct 16 21:21:15 <morphis> jepp
Oct 16 21:21:28 <mrmoku> when my gta02 build finished I will build a x86 console image and retry playing with qemu
Oct 16 21:21:31 <morphis> but with level = "INFO" you get very small output from fsoinitd
Oct 16 21:21:39 <morphis> ok
Oct 16 21:22:04 <morphis> someone pointed me to some userspace linux stuff for debuging fsoinitd
Oct 16 21:22:04 <mrmoku> if I get to see *any* output I will increase the loglevel :)
Oct 16 21:22:10 <morphis> hehe
Oct 16 21:32:25 <daniele_athome> morphis, i've just read android application lifecycle guide
Oct 16 21:32:34 <daniele_athome> just to... "take inspiration" :D
Oct 16 21:32:45 <daniele_athome> anyhow is too "application centric"
Oct 16 21:33:02 <daniele_athome> meaning useful with a central application manager, more suitable to java vm
Oct 16 21:33:11 <daniele_athome> imho
Oct 16 21:33:37 <daniele_athome> but something can be learnt from it :)
Oct 16 21:33:40 <morphis> jepp
Oct 16 21:33:51 <morphis> we should not do it like android
Oct 16 21:34:00 <morphis> we should fit it for our needs
Oct 16 21:34:05 <morphis> adopt something here and there
Oct 16 21:34:06 <daniele_athome> indeed it's what i said
Oct 16 21:34:20 <daniele_athome> i mean we can learn from some concepts
Oct 16 21:34:29 <morphis> but we have the possiblity to evolute an API :)
Oct 16 21:34:30 <daniele_athome> not do like android :)
Oct 16 21:34:35 <morphis> not just like android
Oct 16 21:34:51 <morphis> the must had something from the beginning on the people have to like to work with
Oct 16 21:34:52 <daniele_athome> and also we'll need a notification system
Oct 16 21:34:55 <morphis> jepp
Oct 16 21:35:02 <daniele_athome> or possibly extend org.freedesktop notifications
Oct 16 21:35:08 <morphis> maybe
Oct 16 21:35:14 <morphis> we have to take a look on it
Oct 16 21:35:21 <morphis> how suitable it is for mobile devices
Oct 16 21:35:23 <daniele_athome> it's too limited
Oct 16 21:35:42 <daniele_athome> i mean it might be used for any purpose
Oct 16 21:35:55 <daniele_athome> just add fields to decide anything
Oct 16 21:36:01 <daniele_athome> then it's up the notification server
Oct 16 21:36:08 <daniele_athome> s/up the/up to the/
Oct 16 21:36:09 <apt> daniele_athome meant: then it's up to the notification server
Oct 16 21:36:30 <daniele_athome> but i think we should think to other...
Oct 16 21:36:47 <morphis> maybe
Oct 16 21:36:56 <daniele_athome> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Notification.html;hb=HEAD
Oct 16 21:36:59 <daniele_athome> this is way wrong
Oct 16 21:37:02 <daniele_athome> Alarm()
Oct 16 21:37:03 <daniele_athome> :S
Oct 16 21:37:34 <daniele_athome> bbl
Oct 16 21:41:24 <morphis> jepp :)
Oct 16 22:02:31 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r93f15db8d1ba 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/Makefile.am: 
Oct 16 22:02:31 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: add utils.vala to source file list
Oct 16 22:02:31 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Oct 16 22:03:29 <pespin_> mrmoku, uhm discovered efm is quite usable. We just need to do 2 things: 1- set a desktop icon to launch it. 2-Compile efm-* modules
Oct 16 22:03:53 <pespin_> I've uploaded some photos of how does it look here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Oct 16 22:06:21 <pespin_> (I need compiled efm modules to set stuff in the toolbar, to fi. go to an upper dir)
Oct 16 22:06:53 <pespin_> if anyone wants to try, you can open it using dbus:
Oct 16 22:06:54 <pespin_> mdbus2  org.enlightenment.FileManager /org/enlightenment/FileManager org.enlightenment.FileManager.OpenDirectory whatever
Oct 16 22:26:44 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r64a9a6687901 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): msmcommd: implement manage_calls dbus api command
Oct 16 23:16:07 <TAsn> mrmoku, ffs I actually talked to you for an hour
Oct 16 23:16:11 <TAsn> before I got I lagged out :P
Oct 16 23:16:25 <TAsn> sorry guys, will compress this hour to a couple of pastes.
Oct 16 23:16:31 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, proximity: nah, I think that's a general thing that's fso's domain.
Oct 16 23:16:33 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, and yes, we could have done way better.
Oct 16 23:16:35 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, but I'm just saying it's not entirely our fault :P
Oct 16 23:16:37 <TAsn> TAsn> mrmoku, I mean, we did better for a while.
Oct 16 23:16:39 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, we cleaned libphone-ui/shr from bugs
Oct 16 23:16:41 <TAsn> <TAsn> added many cool features
Oct 16 23:16:43 <TAsn> <TAsn> etc.
Oct 16 23:16:45 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, regarding proximity again: I think that's almost a hardware thing to handle. I.e I wouldn't mind having an hw that kills the touch+screen when it sense something close.
Oct 16 23:16:48 <TAsn> <TAsn> that's maybe just me though.
Oct 16 23:19:20 <daniele_athome> TAsn, i don't remember where do you live
Oct 16 23:20:09 <TAsn> Israel.
Oct 16 23:20:12 <TAsn> UTC+3
Oct 16 23:20:18 <TAsn> (atm)
Oct 16 23:20:47 <daniele_athome> so it's 4 am for you TAsn 
Oct 16 23:20:50 <daniele_athome> isn't it?
Oct 16 23:20:53 <TAsn> Hm.. why is google showing me ads about baldness? I have a lot of hair.
Oct 16 23:20:59 <TAsn> daniele_athome, nah, only 1:20 :>
Oct 16 23:21:09 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 16 23:21:09 <TAsn> But there were times I was here at 4am and later.
Oct 16 23:21:18 <TAsn> when I was in my previous job :P
Oct 16 23:21:21 <TAsn> Now I'm a tired man.
Oct 16 23:21:24 <daniele_athome> TAsn, it's 1.20 here too
Oct 16 23:21:25 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 16 23:21:30 <daniele_athome> italy, +1
Oct 16 23:21:37 <daniele_athome> maybe its because of dst?
Oct 16 23:21:44 <daniele_athome> i don't remember :S
Oct 16 23:21:49 <TAsn> oh maybe I'm +1 now
Oct 16 23:21:52 <TAsn> (because dst)
Oct 16 23:21:52 <TAsn> sec
Oct 16 23:22:04 <daniele_athome> you should be +4 if you are in dst
Oct 16 23:22:07 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Oct 16 23:22:12 <TAsn> Sat Oct 16 23:19:41 UTC 2010
Oct 16 23:22:18 <TAsn> daniele_athome, I'm +2 in non-dst
Oct 16 23:22:32 <daniele_athome> what?
Oct 16 23:22:34 <TAsn> so hm.. I'm +2?! wtf.
Oct 16 23:22:34 <daniele_athome> :S
Oct 16 23:22:44 <TAsn> something is wrong with my clock
Oct 16 23:22:47 <TAsn> or so it seems :P
Oct 16 23:22:47 <daniele_athome> lol
Oct 16 23:22:51 <daniele_athome> indeed :P
Oct 16 23:23:04 <TAsn> what's your date --utc
Oct 16 23:23:05 <TAsn> ?
Oct 16 23:23:14 <daniele_athome> 23.20
Oct 16 23:23:16 <daniele_athome> of yesterday
Oct 16 23:23:17 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Oct 16 23:23:19 <TAsn> ok so the same.
Oct 16 23:23:24 <daniele_athome> so i have +1 +dst
Oct 16 23:23:25 <TAsn> my clock isn't fucked up :P
Oct 16 23:23:26 <daniele_athome> so +2
Oct 16 23:23:32 <daniele_athome> i see
Oct 16 23:23:33 <TAsn> yeah, and I have +2
Oct 16 23:23:43 <daniele_athome> how can this be possible?
Oct 16 23:23:45 <TAsn> (we are in winter time already)
Oct 16 23:23:52 <TAsn> because we have a stupid government
Oct 16 23:23:54 <daniele_athome> israel is in the same timezone of italy?
Oct 16 23:23:58 <TAsn> nope
Oct 16 23:24:03 <TAsn> but we have a stupid government
Oct 16 23:24:18 <TAsn> sometime on the start of september this year
Oct 16 23:24:26 <TAsn> we had the day of attonment
Oct 16 23:24:36 <TAsn> atonement*
Oct 16 23:24:48 <TAsn> which is a fast for the orthodox jews
Oct 16 23:25:07 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 16 23:25:08 <TAsn> From dusk to dusk in the day after
Oct 16 23:25:25 <TAsn> So to make the fasting easier (i.e make the sun go down earlier)
Oct 16 23:25:30 <TAsn> they changed to winter time
Oct 16 23:25:36 <TAsn> in the start of september
Oct 16 23:25:45 <TAsn> which is practically the middle of the summer here :P
Oct 16 23:25:56 <TAsn> (not really the middle, but pretty hot)
Oct 16 23:26:01 <daniele_athome> so
Oct 16 23:26:16 <daniele_athome> your natural timezone is +3
Oct 16 23:26:20 <daniele_athome> if i got it correct
Oct 16 23:26:20 <TAsn> no
Oct 16 23:26:24 <TAsn> natural is +2
Oct 16 23:26:25 <daniele_athome> ok :)
Oct 16 23:26:29 <TAsn> like in italy natural is +1
Oct 16 23:26:38 <TAsn> we are only one our off.
Oct 16 23:26:44 <TAsn> daniele_athome, what region are you from in italy+
Oct 16 23:26:45 <TAsn> ?
Oct 16 23:26:47 <TAsn> and what city?
Oct 16 23:26:49 <daniele_athome> rome
Oct 16 23:26:52 <daniele_athome> italy has 1timezone
Oct 16 23:26:55 <TAsn> awesome :P
Oct 16 23:26:56 <TAsn> daniele_athome, I know.
Oct 16 23:26:58 <daniele_athome> :P
Oct 16 23:27:01 <TAsn> I love italy
Oct 16 23:27:08 <TAsn> I used to study Italian
Oct 16 23:27:14 <TAsn> but honestly, I forgot everything.
Oct 16 23:27:15 <daniele_athome> as a turist me too
Oct 16 23:27:22 <daniele_athome> but not as a citizen
Oct 16 23:27:26 <daniele_athome> i hate this country
Oct 16 23:27:34 <TAsn> your PM is awesome.
Oct 16 23:27:37 <TAsn> :P
Oct 16 23:27:47 <daniele_athome> i know :(
Oct 16 23:28:07 <TAsn> why the sad face?
Oct 16 23:28:22 <TAsn> I read a funny quote of what he said:
Oct 16 23:28:32 <daniele_athome> because i wish to have a better government
Oct 16 23:28:47 <TAsn> "The people are asking me to go home, but I'm not going since I don't know where they want me to go to, I have 20 homes."
Oct 16 23:28:53 <TAsn> 20 houses8
Oct 16 23:28:54 <TAsn> *
Oct 16 23:29:06 <daniele_athome> oh my...
Oct 16 23:29:15 <daniele_athome> this one i didn't know
Oct 16 23:29:17 <TAsn> he's hilarious.
Oct 16 23:29:26 <daniele_athome> TAsn, he's ridicolous
Oct 16 23:29:31 <daniele_athome> and he's a criminal
Oct 16 23:29:32 <TAsn> and the vid of him pretending to shag an officer from behind.
Oct 16 23:29:41 <TAsn> daniele_athome, at least he's honest.
Oct 16 23:29:50 <TAsn> daniele_athome, our PM isn't.
Oct 16 23:30:24 <daniele_athome> i see...
Oct 16 23:30:25 <TAsn> We have a long legacy of assholes.
Oct 16 23:30:39 <TAsn> since the last decent PM was murdered 16 years ago.
Oct 16 23:31:37 <daniele_athome> TAsn, lookup for the talk for european union with martin schulz
Oct 16 23:32:27 <TAsn> how much time does your PM has left?
Oct 16 23:33:47 <daniele_athome> mmm... he was elected in 2008
Oct 16 23:33:58 <daniele_athome> i think is 5 years of government
Oct 16 23:34:12 <daniele_athome> so about other 3 years
Oct 16 23:34:43 <TAsn> lol.
Oct 16 23:34:56 <TAsn> I just read in wikipedia
Oct 16 23:35:19 <TAsn> this is the third time he's in office.
Oct 16 23:35:25 <TAsn> you italians are dump :P
Oct 16 23:35:33 <TAsn> dumb*
Oct 16 23:35:58 <daniele_athome> yeah
Oct 16 23:35:59 <TAsn> especially since he's a known crook for a long time.
Oct 16 23:36:12 <TAsn> lolz.
Oct 16 23:36:15 <TAsn> I just read the wikipedia entry
Oct 16 23:36:17 <TAsn> it's so funny.
Oct 16 23:36:25 <daniele_athome> yes for you outside
Oct 16 23:36:26 <daniele_athome> :(
Oct 16 23:36:39 <TAsn> daniele_athome, well
Oct 16 23:36:45 <TAsn> our last PM
Oct 16 23:36:46 <daniele_athome> i am ashamed
Oct 16 23:36:50 <TAsn> is now being prosecuted
Oct 16 23:36:52 <daniele_athome> for my pm
Oct 16 23:36:59 <TAsn> the one before would have
Oct 16 23:37:26 <TAsn> but he fell into a comma while in office.
Oct 16 23:37:42 <TAsn> many ministers in the last couple of years
Oct 16 23:37:46 <TAsn> also were trialed
Oct 16 23:37:54 <TAsn> for rape
Oct 16 23:37:59 <TAsn> corruption
Oct 16 23:38:02 <TAsn> etc etc
Oct 16 23:38:35 <daniele_athome> TAsn, and the current one?
Oct 16 23:39:24 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r9ddef0681184 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atmediators.vala: fsogsmd: make validatePhoneNumber method available for modem plugins
Oct 16 23:39:37 <TAsn> our current leader of the opposition (which is also serving as the minister of defense) has just done something fishy (it's currently under investigation how) to drop an investigation that was being held against him.
Oct 16 23:39:53 <TAsn> daniele_athome, our current PM is a freaking lame idiot.
Oct 16 23:40:10 <TAsn> the only reason he's not prosecuted (i.e hasn't done anything bad enough)
Oct 16 23:40:19 <daniele_athome> TAsn, a member of the opposition is a also a minister?
Oct 16 23:40:22 <TAsn> is because he's doing everything for everyone.
Oct 16 23:40:38 <TAsn> daniele_athome, the HEAD of the opposition, yeah.
Oct 16 23:40:45 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 16 23:40:54 <TAsn> doing everything for everyone: i.e he has no backbone.
Oct 16 23:41:02 <TAsn> daniele_athome, in the last elections
Oct 16 23:41:06 <TAsn> all the parties sucked
Oct 16 23:41:19 <TAsn> so none got enough votes to form a government
Oct 16 23:41:44 <TAsn> (here we have many parties and you need at least X votes willing to join you to form a government)
Oct 16 23:42:20 <TAsn> so a big party (with "middle" political orientations) got most of the votes
Oct 16 23:42:29 <daniele_athome> there were here too
Oct 16 23:42:30 <TAsn> but the lame asses from the "left" wing and the "right" wing
Oct 16 23:42:33 <TAsn> joined forces
Oct 16 23:42:37 <TAsn> and took over the government
Oct 16 23:42:39 <TAsn> instead of that one.
Oct 16 23:42:40 <daniele_athome> until now, it's becoming more like american (ie bi-party)
Oct 16 23:42:54 <TAsn> all systems suck :P
Oct 16 23:43:03 <daniele_athome> indeed
Oct 16 23:43:09 <daniele_athome> the human society need to change
Oct 16 23:43:11 <TAsn> no matter which you choose you get assholes as your PM.
Oct 16 23:43:14 <daniele_athome> not just the politics
Oct 16 23:43:19 <TAsn> daniele_athome, yep.
Oct 16 23:43:38 <daniele_athome> TAsn, i'm planning a project to leave this planet
Oct 16 23:43:42 <daniele_athome> would you join? :P
Oct 16 23:44:06 <TAsn> only if the spaceship runs SHR.
Oct 16 23:44:19 <daniele_athome> eheh
Oct 16 23:44:27 <TAsn> oh, and if you get hot girls on board :P
Oct 16 23:44:42 <TAsn> Girls are the basis of modern society :P
Oct 16 23:44:47 <TAsn> *Hot girls
Oct 16 23:45:01 <TAsn> without them man can not be civilized ;P
Oct 16 23:45:02 <daniele_athome> they are the basis of every society :P
Oct 16 23:45:06 <daniele_athome> sure :)
Oct 16 23:46:43 <TAsn> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6f0cc2b1a9529da3c9da91bb322a5a89.png
Oct 16 23:46:48 <TAsn> what a funky theme :P
Oct 16 23:46:51 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off ciao.
Oct 16 23:47:22 <daniele_athome> bye TAsn 
Oct 16 23:48:46 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia/Intel invented the next generation OS :-P No more pathnames, hooray!
Oct 16 23:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> "Users don't want to bother about pathnames and folders" X-D
Oct 16 23:50:07 <DocScrutinizer> not even apple and microsoft figured how to get there, Nokia did :-P
Oct 16 23:54:44 <DocScrutinizer> the amazingly simple concept is like that: a central database called trackerd keeps track of every change in the classical hierarchical filesystem (it uses inotify for that, as well as regularly scheduled index runs over the complete storage). All apps query this central database about which files exist that meet a particular tuple of criteria, and offer a flat preview of all those files for the user to select from. Save, rename, 
Oct 16 23:54:46 <DocScrutinizer> delete and other minor details are yet to define
Oct 16 23:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> also there are occasional performance issues, but this is going to be fixed 2018 at the latest, with 10GHz multicore processors in mobile devices
Oct 17 00:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> MUHAHABWAHAHAAAAHAA
Oct 17 00:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> literally every maemo user is cursing trackerd and thumbnailerd, for their eating up battery and bringing system to a grinding halt. Several users frown on mediaplayer's lacking ability to playback content of a folder. Still they adopt exactly same braindamaged concept as a core system part of meego
Oct 17 00:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> and hey, who hadn't it on top of his must-have points of feature list? gallery showing desktop icons, taskbar icons, family photos, pr0n, job photos, all in a plain indiscriminate flat preview, no matter where the file is stored
Oct 17 00:12:39 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r009867afdd8b 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (callhandler.vala data.vala mediators_call.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: initial work on call handler
Oct 17 00:12:40 <CIA-102> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * re90003dde42b 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/plugin.vala: fsogsmd: modem_qualcom_palm: activate call and phonebook handler
Oct 17 00:47:07 <CIA-102> SHR: 03pespin.shar 07shr-settings * r1739f9758409 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_usb_network.py: [shr_usb_network] add feature: set usb0 ip addr
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