**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010
Oct 28 05:44:34 <mrmoku> JaMa: n900-clean is fine
Oct 28 05:44:42 <mrmoku> n900 is broken somehow
Oct 28 07:05:10 <daniele_athome> morning
Oct 28 07:08:17 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: morning
Oct 28 07:11:17 <daniele_athome> hi mrmoku 
Oct 28 07:21:13 <dos1> hi
Oct 28 07:21:29 <dos1> someone wants N800 to maintain SHR on it?
Oct 28 07:25:24 <dos1> someone from talk.maemo.org offered sending one to us
Oct 28 07:26:54 <soltys> blah
Oct 28 07:27:23 <dos1> i'm getting n810 soon, and they have quite similar hardware, so i think it would be better when someone else get that n800 so we'll be able to work together :P
Oct 28 07:28:01 <mrmoku> dos1: what happened to those beagleboards?
Oct 28 07:28:25 <dos1> mrmoku: dunno - that's another person
Oct 28 07:28:38 <soltys> ;)
Oct 28 07:28:46 <soltys> shr on everything
Oct 28 07:28:52 <soltys> like netbsd ;)
Oct 28 07:29:54 <dos1> someone already "ordered" those beagles?
Oct 28 07:31:19 <dos1> if someone wants n800, please ping me, i'll give contact to that guy from forum
Oct 28 07:42:09 <mrmoku> dos1: you mean if someone of us already said 'hey, here... I want them'? ... don't think so
Oct 28 07:42:41 <mrmoku> but they are the base of what goldelico is planning for gta04, no?
Oct 28 07:42:50 <dos1> hmm
Oct 28 07:42:53 <mrmoku> so it might indeed be interesting...
Oct 28 07:42:55 <dos1> i think yes
Oct 28 07:43:28 <soltys> ech free bb-mx..
Oct 28 07:43:39 <soltys> ypu are lucky ;P
Oct 28 07:43:47 <soltys> s/p/o/
Oct 28 07:43:47 <apt> soltys meant: you are lucky ;P
Oct 28 08:40:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> with opkg update;opkg upgrade on om-gta02
Oct 28 08:41:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> eve is fixed
Oct 28 08:41:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> it doesn't segfault anymore
Oct 28 08:41:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> at least it seems
Oct 28 08:46:44 <mrmoku> nice :-)
Oct 28 08:47:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> is mickey|zzZZzz here?
Oct 28 08:47:31 <mrmoku> dunno... don't think so
Oct 28 08:48:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Oct 28 08:48:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi JaMa 
Oct 28 08:49:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> with opkg update;opkg upgrade on om-gta02, eve doesn't seem to segfault anymore
Oct 28 08:49:41 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: buildhost is building newer eve and webkit-efl now
Oct 28 08:49:42 <JaMa> :)
Oct 28 08:50:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 08:52:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> does someone knows fsogsmd?
Oct 28 08:52:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I've 2 sim cards
Oct 28 08:52:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> one can register to wind, an italian network
Oct 28 08:52:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the other is not activated
Oct 28 08:53:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> but can register to tim, an italian network
Oct 28 08:53:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> I got it when I bought my htcdream
Oct 28 08:53:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> (I can't make calls with it)
Oct 28 08:53:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> so...
Oct 28 08:53:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> the tim one register and does that:
Oct 28 08:53:58 <GNUtoo|laptop>  SRC: "+CFUN?" -> [ "+CFUN: 0", "OK" ]
Oct 28 08:54:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> the wind one has:
Oct 28 08:55:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2010-10-28T08:42:05.749878Z [DEBUG] libfsotransport <Serial /dev/smd0@115200 (fd 20)>: Wrote '+CFUN?'. Waiting (120s) for answer...
Oct 28 08:55:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2010-10-28T08:44:06.078844Z [INFO]  libfsotransport <Serial /dev/smd0@115200 (fd 20)>: URC: [ "0OK" ]
Oct 28 08:55:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2010-10-28T08:44:06.078935Z [DEBUG] QualcommHtcUnsolicitedResponseHandler : Dispatching AT unsolicited '0OK', ''
Oct 28 08:55:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> all that is on nexusone
Oct 28 11:30:08 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: do you know if there is a public repo for libisi somewhere?
Oct 28 11:38:55 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: nvm found it 
Oct 28 11:43:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, ok
Oct 28 11:44:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, what should be done first? battery or modem?
Oct 28 11:44:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> because libisi is highly incomplete
Oct 28 11:44:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> but electranox got his n900 back
Oct 28 11:44:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it's working again
Oct 28 11:45:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> but maybe
Oct 28 11:45:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> we add libisi
Oct 28 11:45:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> and when it'll grow
Oct 28 11:45:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> it'll already be ready
Oct 28 11:47:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> I really wonder if I should spend time on n900
Oct 28 11:47:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I've also other devices
Oct 28 11:47:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> I can spend some time
Oct 28 11:47:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I wonder if it's woth to spend more than a little bit of time
Oct 28 11:47:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've dream+nexusone
Oct 28 11:48:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> what does mickey|office thinks?
Oct 28 11:49:13 <mickey|office> modem 
Oct 28 11:49:13 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ohh... good news he got his n900 back :-)
Oct 28 11:49:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 11:49:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, so I should put the nexusone aside for a bit?
Oct 28 11:50:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> roughly on nexusone:
Oct 28 11:50:10 <mickey|office> yeah, n900 seems to be where the momentum is. I'm absolutely unimpressed by the nexusone hardware
Oct 28 11:50:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> alsa plays 4x faster, I've an idea to try to make it play slower, else I've a workarround wich uses sdl to write to the /dev/msm_pcm_out and which works perfectly but lacks volume+routing
Oct 28 11:51:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> on AT command side it's strange
Oct 28 11:51:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> it works with tim carrier card which is not activated
Oct 28 11:51:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> but doesn't with wind:
Oct 28 11:51:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/wind/wind carrier
Oct 28 11:52:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2010-10-28T08:42:05.749878Z [DEBUG] libfsotransport <Serial /dev/smd0@115200 (fd 20)>: Wrote '+CFUN?'. Waiting (120s) for answer...
Oct 28 11:52:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2010-10-28T08:44:06.078844Z [INFO]  libfsotransport <Serial /dev/smd0@115200 (fd 20)>: URC: [ "0OK" ]
Oct 28 11:52:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> and on tim:
Oct 28 11:52:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> SRC: "+CFUN?" -> [ "+CFUN: 0", "OK" ]
Oct 28 11:52:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that calls needs userspace routing here
Oct 28 11:53:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|office, I've tried a n900 rootfs on nexusone....it's also capable of playing movies with xorg.conf that rotates the display
Oct 28 11:53:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> (with my workarround with libsdl you even have sound)
Oct 28 11:54:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/sound/sound in movies/
Oct 28 11:54:02 <apt> GNUtoo|laptop meant: (with my workarround with libsdl you even have sound in movies)
Oct 28 11:57:12 <mickey|office> well, nexusone is probably the more simple target
Oct 28 11:58:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed because:
Oct 28 11:58:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> * some stuff can be reused
Oct 28 11:59:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> like htcdream stuff
Oct 28 11:59:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> * wifi is WEXT
Oct 28 11:59:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> that is to say, iwconfig works
Oct 28 11:59:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> * modem is AT commands
Oct 28 12:00:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> it only lacks alsa
Oct 28 12:00:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> if I fix that it's worth
Oct 28 12:00:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> but if I don't....not sure
Oct 28 12:00:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've written an alsa driver that plays 4x faster
Oct 28 12:00:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I wonder...
Oct 28 12:01:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is an hardware pointer in alsa
Oct 28 12:01:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> is it mandatory to implement that: 
Oct 28 12:01:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.spinics.net/lists/alsa-devel/msg38405.html
Oct 28 12:01:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I didn't
Oct 28 12:01:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> I returned 0 instead
Oct 28 12:07:44 <mickey|office> question is ... will more than 2.5 people be interested in nexusone?
Oct 28 12:07:59 <mickey|office> if it's like dream, we should not waste time
Oct 28 12:08:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> it has a difference
Oct 28 12:08:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> apart of beeing faster and more standard
Oct 28 12:08:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> the sound system seem better
Oct 28 12:09:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> you can play more stuff at once
Oct 28 12:09:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> like ringing + music
Oct 28 12:09:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> but you're right
Oct 28 12:09:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> who will be interested in nexusone
Oct 28 12:09:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> the people who wants GNU/Linux uses an n900
Oct 28 12:10:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/uses/already use/
Oct 28 12:10:01 <apt> GNUtoo|laptop meant: the people who wants GNU/Linux already use an n900
Oct 28 12:10:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> the people who wants free phones +  GNU/Linux keep using gta02
Oct 28 12:10:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the people who wants free phone + GNU/Linux + cheap has no hardware
Oct 28 12:10:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is htcdream but the port is not finished
Oct 28 12:11:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> the geeksphone is stalled(leviathan has no time to work on it)
Oct 28 12:11:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> and hasn't even started
Oct 28 12:12:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> market analysys:
Oct 28 12:12:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet we should target people who already have the hardware
Oct 28 12:12:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> right?
Oct 28 12:13:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> because who will buy an htcdream if:
Oct 28 12:13:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> * they can't try before buying
Oct 28 12:13:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> * they may already have a phone
Oct 28 12:13:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Oct 28 12:13:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is a lot of uncertaincy for the buyer
Oct 28 12:14:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> and he must be able to find such old hadware
Oct 28 12:14:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> (it's possible in italy but not everywhere)
Oct 28 12:14:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/possible/still possible
Oct 28 12:14:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> so....
Oct 28 12:14:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> question:
Oct 28 12:14:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> what should I do:
Oct 28 12:14:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> * abandon the htcdream?
Oct 28 12:14:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> and work fully on n900 ?
Oct 28 12:15:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> or finish the keyboard and integration for htcdream?
Oct 28 12:15:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> there isn't much work left
Oct 28 12:15:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> keyboard
Oct 28 12:16:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> gps(just a subprocess call and kill) integration
Oct 28 12:16:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> GUI
Oct 28 12:16:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> wifi(just some modprobe and rfkill in vala)
Oct 28 12:16:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> bluetooth(vala also)
Oct 28 12:18:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> what do you think in %
Oct 28 12:18:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> 0% dream
Oct 28 12:18:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> 100% n900
Oct 28 12:18:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> 0 % nexusone
Oct 28 12:19:09 <playya_> 50% pre
Oct 28 12:20:18 <playya_> there's a pre 2 developer device program
Oct 28 12:21:16 <playya_> i still need to write the mail for a pre plus
Oct 28 12:21:27 <misc> well, do what would be more fun for you ?
Oct 28 12:21:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think fun-wise it's moslty the same
Oct 28 12:23:05 <misc> ok so wht is easier, or harder ?
Oct 28 12:25:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think nexusone seem easier
Oct 28 12:25:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> keyboard seem very hard
Oct 28 12:25:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> integration seem easy
Oct 28 12:25:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> and battery seem frightening
Oct 28 12:25:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> (I'm afraid of breaking the battery)
Oct 28 12:27:16 <misc> so, you want a easier or harder task ? challenge, or instant ( on a geological scale ) satisfaction ?
Oct 28 12:28:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> instant
Oct 28 12:28:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically I'm fed up of bugs and frustrations
Oct 28 12:28:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I want a working device to play with
Oct 28 12:28:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe I should go n900 then?
Oct 28 12:31:31 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: with n900 you're probably less lonely :-)
Oct 28 12:32:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed voip works
Oct 28 12:32:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> gstreamer works
Oct 28 12:32:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Oct 28 12:32:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> many things works
Oct 28 12:32:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've made 2 gstreamer scripts
Oct 28 12:33:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> for streaming the n900's camera on my computer
Oct 28 12:33:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> where should I publish them?
Oct 28 12:33:44 <mrmoku> nice
Oct 28 12:33:55 <playya_> GNUtoo|laptop, so you have any ideas for the app management?
Oct 28 12:34:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> app management?
Oct 28 12:34:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> you mean the new fso design?
Oct 28 12:34:26 <playya_> fso launcher/lifecycle
Oct 28 12:34:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> I got the idea of having custom --args to the apps
Oct 28 12:34:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> because of the different screen size and devices
Oct 28 12:34:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> you need different args
Oct 28 12:35:06 <playya_> yes
Oct 28 12:35:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> like wesnoth -r 480x320 --nomusic
Oct 28 12:35:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> or:
Oct 28 12:35:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> wesnoth --smallgui -r 800x480
Oct 28 12:35:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> for elm it could be:
Oct 28 12:35:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> ELM_SCALE=2 calc
Oct 28 12:35:42 <playya_> but you might need some xrandr calls if you change the application
Oct 28 12:35:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> or:
Oct 28 12:35:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> ELM_SCALE=1.0 calc
Oct 28 12:35:58 <playya_> so maybe this should go into lifecycle, too
Oct 28 12:36:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> forget about xrandr on recent devices
Oct 28 12:36:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> it simply doesn't work
Oct 28 12:36:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> xrandr -o 1 fails
Oct 28 12:37:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> we could also handle full-screen/windowed stuff
Oct 28 12:37:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> in enligtenment there is the possibility to toggle full-screen of windowed applications
Oct 28 12:37:36 <playya_> yes
Oct 28 12:37:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> I always map a button to that
Oct 28 12:37:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> so for instance
Oct 28 12:37:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> you're playing wesnoth and a call arrives
Oct 28 12:38:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> simply switch to the call
Oct 28 12:38:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> for that you need to put wesnoth in the background somehow
Oct 28 12:38:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe that could be used for that
Oct 28 12:39:40 <JaMa> someone knows which l/p is needed to download this? http://api.meego.com/build/Trunk/standard/armv7el/kernel-n900/kernel-n900-2.6.35.3-10.4.armv7l.rpm
Oct 28 12:39:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> l/p?
Oct 28 12:40:21 <JaMa> weekly builds doesn't have BTRFS enabled in kernel, but fs is btrfs
Oct 28 12:40:25 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: login/password
Oct 28 12:40:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah login password
Oct 28 12:40:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't know sorry
Oct 28 12:44:44 <JaMa> ok downloaded http://download.meego.com/testing/trunk/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/kernel-n900-2.6.35.3-15.1.armv7l.rpm instead
Oct 28 12:45:30 <mrmoku> JaMa: even newer :)
Oct 28 12:46:52 <JaMa> good meego booted :)
Oct 28 12:55:49 <playya_> btw. are there any brave e users with SRCREV=AUTOREV?
Oct 28 12:56:32 <playya_> i cannot change/close application on the pre, because nothing happens if i click on the menu bar
Oct 28 12:56:42 <playya_> but home, keyboard etc. works
Oct 28 12:57:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> playya_, go home, then switch app from there
Oct 28 12:58:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> sometimes it's because of how applications handle windows
Oct 28 12:58:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance if you have multiples windows
Oct 28 12:58:36 <daniele_athome> hey
Oct 28 12:58:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> and you want to put a windows in the forground
Oct 28 12:59:17 <playya_> hi daniele_athome 
Oct 28 12:59:31 <JaMa> playya_: I have 53949 is it brave enough?
Oct 28 12:59:48 <daniele_athome> hi playya_ 
Oct 28 13:00:03 <playya_> JaMa, jep
Oct 28 13:00:20 <JaMa> but it works here
Oct 28 13:00:27 <playya_> if i click on the home button, I only get back to the home screen
Oct 28 13:00:45 <playya_> maybe 53239 isn't brave enough
Oct 28 13:01:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> playya_, yes you're at home
Oct 28 13:01:12 <playya_> hmm. that's the old rev and not autorev
Oct 28 13:01:13 <JaMa> hmm std shr is using much newer than that
Oct 28 13:01:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> then click on the top bar
Oct 28 13:01:18 <JaMa> and it works there too
Oct 28 13:01:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> and switch
Oct 28 13:01:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> apps
Oct 28 13:02:39 <playya_> doesn't work here
Oct 28 13:03:08 <JaMa> playya_: are you talking about shr_elm_softkey?
Oct 28 13:03:45 <playya_> what's elm softkey?
Oct 28 13:04:10 <JaMa> hmm
Oct 28 13:05:35 <mrmoku> playya_: switching of apps is done by the softkey thing
Oct 28 13:05:44 <mrmoku> not part of illume2
Oct 28 13:05:55 <playya_> ok
Oct 28 13:06:06 <mrmoku> including the flap down with arrows
Oct 28 13:07:29 <playya_> ok. any config files i should check?
Oct 28 13:07:46 <JaMa> update efl first
Oct 28 13:07:59 <JaMa> 53914 is now in oe
Oct 28 13:10:02 <mrmoku> JaMa: how slow is it ? (meego)
Oct 28 13:10:30 <JaMa> very :/
Oct 28 13:10:30 <mrmoku> and did it start via kexec?
Oct 28 13:10:49 * JaMa started bug bunny movie on it and it was about 0.01 fps :/
Oct 28 13:10:56 <mrmoku> heh
Oct 28 13:10:57 <JaMa> I've started it with flasher..
Oct 28 13:11:05 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 28 13:11:27 <JaMa> now I'm trying to start some terminal from gui :/
Oct 28 13:15:21 <daniele_athome> guys eclipse support for git really sucks
Oct 28 13:15:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, lol with SHR it's playable
Oct 28 13:16:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, maybe you lack non-free 3d?
Oct 28 13:16:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried meego on nexusone some time ago
Oct 28 13:16:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it was so slow....
Oct 28 13:16:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that nexusone lacked any kind of acceleration
Oct 28 13:16:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> 3d and 2d were lacking
Oct 28 13:16:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet omapfb has some sort of 2d acceleration
Oct 28 13:16:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> and nexusone is armv7@1GHz
Oct 28 13:23:28 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: - N900: Fix poweroff failure BMC #6090
Oct 28 13:23:33 <mrmoku> (from meego kernel changelog)
Oct 28 13:23:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 13:23:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Oct 28 13:24:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> tough we should wait a bit for upgrading the kernel
Oct 28 13:24:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> first we migrate everything in oe
Oct 28 13:24:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> then :
Oct 28 13:24:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> * backlight
Oct 28 13:24:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> * modem
Oct 28 13:24:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> * battery
Oct 28 13:27:46 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: please look at those patches which are still in n900 branches..
Oct 28 13:28:00 <JaMa> i'll rebase it again in few minutes (after pushing xorg.conf change)
Oct 28 13:28:46 <playya_> is it possible to bind the app switcher to a key?
Oct 28 13:29:03 <playya_> (which is not on the keyboard)
Oct 28 13:29:14 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: sure... just checked what changed there :)
Oct 28 13:29:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, ok I'll do it this afternoon/night
Oct 28 13:54:38 <JaMa> mrmoku: linux-nokia-2.6.35 should be removed, right?
Oct 28 13:55:59 <playya_> ok. it seems shr_elm_softkey isn't started by default
Oct 28 13:56:47 <mrmoku> JaMa: yup
Oct 28 13:57:12 <JaMa> playya_: it was changed (from xsession script to e-wm autostart) few weeks ago.. no idea which version you're using
Oct 28 14:02:05 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: n900-2.6.35 branch still has small change of 2.6.28 defconfig (which was not in n900-for-merge) can you check it?
Oct 28 14:04:07 <JaMa> n900-clean was dropped (nothing usefull left)
Oct 28 14:07:36 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop, mrmoku: n900-for-merge is also useless imho (if you rebuild your kernel by hand)
Oct 28 14:10:29 <JaMa> ok n900/n900 is also empty .. dropping now
Oct 28 14:12:30 <mrmoku> JaMa: yeah, let's RIP them :)
Oct 28 14:15:27 <JaMa> ok n900-for-merge also riped
Oct 28 14:18:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, ???
Oct 28 14:18:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes 2.6.35 should not be merged
Oct 28 14:18:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> why n900-for-merge is useless????
Oct 28 14:18:53 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: last branch now is n900/n900-2.6.35, please read the patch changing 2.6.28 defconfig
Oct 28 14:19:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:19:01 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: everything already merged?
Oct 28 14:19:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> really?
Oct 28 14:19:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> I wasn't aware of it
Oct 28 14:19:23 <JaMa> yes but it was quite messy :/
Oct 28 14:19:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:19:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> wait a sec
Oct 28 14:19:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> can we restart talking from scratch
Oct 28 14:20:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> so what did you do?
Oct 28 14:20:22 <JaMa> merged what looked good, rebased on top of it to see what was left
Oct 28 14:20:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> you git merge the n900 branch against oe branch on the shr server right?
Oct 28 14:20:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> merged where?
Oct 28 14:20:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> in oe?
Oct 28 14:20:40 <JaMa> yes
Oct 28 14:20:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow!!!!!
Oct 28 14:20:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:20:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> can I look at the stuff in 1 hour
Oct 28 14:21:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I've to do some maths
Oct 28 14:21:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> or rather in 45min
Oct 28 14:21:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the new branch name is n900 right?
Oct 28 14:21:49 <JaMa> no
Oct 28 14:22:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the new shr branch name with the "rebased on top of it to see what was left" commits
Oct 28 14:22:46 <JaMa> n900,n900-clean,n900-for-merge was just deleted (because only garbage left)
Oct 28 14:23:03 <JaMa> only branch with usefull commits is n900-2.6.35 now
Oct 28 14:24:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> but 2.6.35 does not need to be merged now
Oct 28 14:24:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's incomplete
Oct 28 14:25:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> dvfs should still be lacking etc...
Oct 28 14:25:08 <JaMa> and be aware that MACHINE_KERNEL_PR went backward
Oct 28 14:25:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ouch
Oct 28 14:25:21 <JaMa> i don't plan to merge it
Oct 28 14:25:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:25:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I've just to look at it if there is something left there
Oct 28 14:25:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> the rest was merged
Oct 28 14:25:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:26:49 <JaMa> yes and I would suggest to change workflow a bit :).. keep only one branch always rebased on top of OE and only cherry-pick patches you want to test and push those you want to share with others
Oct 28 14:27:25 <JaMa> that way we can keep that branch clean and easy to merge to oe
Oct 28 14:27:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:28:18 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: regarding dvfs there is http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=thara/omap-dvfs.git;a=summary
Oct 28 14:28:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> I see nothing usefull in 2.6.35 for our 2.6.28 and current state
Oct 28 14:29:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll look harder
Oct 28 14:29:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I think we have watchdog
Oct 28 14:29:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah sorry
Oct 28 14:29:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> forget what I said
Oct 28 14:29:57 <JaMa> so that defconfig change should be dropped?
Oct 28 14:30:28 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: +CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND=y
Oct 28 14:30:35 <mrmoku> was the thing to make it boot, no?
Oct 28 14:30:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, hmmm
Oct 28 14:30:47 <JaMa> and also +CONFIG_BATTERY_BQ27x00=y
Oct 28 14:31:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, it must be dropped to boot
Oct 28 14:31:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, that must be dropped to make the new battery charging script work
Oct 28 14:31:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> else we could modify the script
Oct 28 14:32:20 <JaMa> ok, then will you drop it from branch?
Oct 28 14:34:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Oct 28 14:34:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's not in oe?
Oct 28 14:35:31 <JaMa> n900-2.6.35 has 4 patches which are not in OE (the last 4) and this change is first of those
Oct 28 14:35:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:36:13 <JaMa> pick 99cc967 linux-2.6.28: make it bootable and usefull on nokia900
Oct 28 14:36:13 <JaMa> pick a4c4667 linux-2.6.35: add meego patches for nokia900
Oct 28 14:36:13 <JaMa> pick d0f2cd5 xserver-xorg-conf: adapt nokia900's xorg.conf to the newer kernel
Oct 28 14:36:16 <JaMa> pick 78e342c nokia900: ship modules in rootfs
Oct 28 14:36:20 <JaMa> is what's in that branch now
Oct 28 14:36:26 <JaMa> should I drop it for you?
Oct 28 14:36:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> the 2.6.28 looks fine
Oct 28 14:36:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> JaMa, I'll explain
Oct 28 14:37:00 * JaMa needs coffee, a lot of coffee :/
Oct 28 14:37:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> I looked at defconfig on 2.6.28 and:
Oct 28 14:37:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> it lacks BQ27x00 which is fine because else it doesn't charge with the script
Oct 28 14:37:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> it lacks the ONDEMAND defualt governor, which is also fine because else it doesn't boot
Oct 28 14:38:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> so the merged 2.6.28 stuff is OK
Oct 28 14:38:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> now....
Oct 28 14:38:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> we have a 2.6.35 branch
Oct 28 14:38:19 <JaMa> and 99cc967 is adding it
Oct 28 14:38:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> we keep it and don't use it
Oct 28 14:38:35 <JaMa> so is 99cc967 usefull or should be dropped?
Oct 28 14:38:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> because when 2.6.35 will be ready we will use that
Oct 28 14:38:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll look
Oct 28 14:38:50 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: that's not what is in OE
Oct 28 14:39:13 <mrmoku>  # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND is not set
Oct 28 14:39:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Oct 28 14:39:22 <mrmoku> ahh... lacks
Oct 28 14:39:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> if it's not set in oe it's fine
Oct 28 14:39:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> because else it doesn't boot
Oct 28 14:39:42 <mrmoku> commit comment says:
Oct 28 14:39:43 <mrmoku>     *ondemand cpufreq governor is now the default
Oct 28 14:39:46 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 28 14:39:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes the commit message is wrong
Oct 28 14:40:14 <mrmoku> JaMa: did you try if the kernel boots after the merge?
Oct 28 14:40:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> grep for ONDEMAND in defconfig
Oct 28 14:40:16 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: if it's usefull for 2.6.35 then it should be applied to linux-2.6.35/n900/defconfig not 2.6.28
Oct 28 14:40:26 <JaMa> mrmoku: not yet
Oct 28 14:40:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> let's care about 1 thing at the time
Oct 28 14:40:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> because else we get confused
Oct 28 14:40:38 <JaMa> mrmoku: because now I have uSD with meego in it
Oct 28 14:40:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> first 2.6.28 talk
Oct 28 14:40:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> then 2.6.35 talk
Oct 28 14:42:35 <mrmoku> JaMa: we should package libisi and that wireshark plugin
Oct 28 14:42:41 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: ok in other words, are you looking at "git show -1 99cc967e512cb15b44dcbd6a5f46d6d99ec2599f" ?
Oct 28 14:43:00 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: and you're saying 16:34:22 < GNUtoo|laptop> because when 2.6.35 will be ready we will use that
Oct 28 14:43:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Oct 28 14:43:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically let's forget about 2.6.35 until it's ready
Oct 28 14:43:34 <JaMa> so please notice that 99cc967e512cb15b44dcbd6a5f46d6d99ec2599f is changing 2.6.28 defconfig
Oct 28 14:43:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know
Oct 28 14:43:46 <JaMa> and you said it's not good for 2.6.28, right?
Oct 28 14:43:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm not saying that
Oct 28 14:44:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah I'll look again
Oct 28 14:44:36 <JaMa> ok you said this patch shouldn't be in OE because it will make 2.6.28 unbootable
Oct 28 14:44:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> the exact commit you just shon me (99cc967e512cb15b44dcbd6a5f46d6d99ec2599f) is wrong
Oct 28 14:44:58 <JaMa> mrmoku: can we make n900 repo now public? :)
Oct 28 14:44:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I thought you were talking about another comit
Oct 28 14:45:09 <JaMa> mrmoku: would be easier with link 
Oct 28 14:45:43 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: I'm talking about 99cc967e512cb15b44dcbd6a5f46d6d99ec2599f for whole time
Oct 28 14:45:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:45:59 <JaMa> that's the first patch in n900-2.6.35 branch
Oct 28 14:46:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> I thought you were talking about 5d5987b3f82037527ce410bf3ca199736027df28
Oct 28 14:46:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> which has the same commit message
Oct 28 14:46:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> and that is in org.openembedded.dev
Oct 28 14:46:30 <mrmoku> JaMa: making public?
Oct 28 14:47:25 <JaMa> mrmoku: shown in webinterface
Oct 28 14:47:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes but we should be clear that it's not the repo that someone should use to build the images
Oct 28 14:47:45 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: I'm OK with all commits I've already pushed to OE :)
Oct 28 14:47:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 14:47:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Oct 28 14:48:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> so now let's talk about 2.6.35
Oct 28 14:48:17 <JaMa> that's why we're talking about "what was left" after rebase
Oct 28 14:48:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't remember what worked and what didn't for 2.6.35
Oct 28 14:48:35 <JaMa> which is 1) this defconfig change for 2.6.28
Oct 28 14:48:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> I really do not remember well so I can't be sure without re-testing
Oct 28 14:48:49 <JaMa> and 3 patches which are good for 2.6.35
Oct 28 14:48:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes it was for 2.6.28
Oct 28 14:49:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I bet it can be applied to 2.6.35 too
Oct 28 14:49:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> we should look
Oct 28 14:49:25 * JaMa is still confused :/
Oct 28 14:49:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's simple
Oct 28 14:49:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.28->2.6.35->2.6.28
Oct 28 14:49:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what we did
Oct 28 14:50:01 <JaMa> yes it is.. so I don't understane what we're talking about for last 10 minutes :)
Oct 28 14:50:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok lol
Oct 28 14:50:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> we are all confused....lol
Oct 28 14:50:54 <daniele_athome> opimd new support :) nice :D
Oct 28 14:51:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> so let me explain
Oct 28 14:51:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> you've got that present:
Oct 28 14:51:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.28->2.6.35->2.6.28
Oct 28 14:51:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> let's call them A->B->C
Oct 28 14:52:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> now A was in the first branch
Oct 28 14:52:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> which was forked into B
Oct 28 14:52:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's why we have 2.6.28 stuff in 2.6.35 branch
Oct 28 14:52:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> which can be dropped
Oct 28 15:03:04 <daniele_athome> new phoneuid
Oct 28 15:03:14 <daniele_athome> phoneuid: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so: undefined symbol: elm_toolbar_item_add
Oct 28 15:03:59 <mrmoku> JaMa: you mean to keep n900-2.6.35 for new kernel experiments and show it in gitweb?
Oct 28 15:04:17 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: you have to update efl
Oct 28 15:04:36 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, i'm trying latest shr-u from FR
Oct 28 15:04:43 <daniele_athome> shouldn't they be updated automatically?
Oct 28 15:04:49 <mrmoku> hmm... yes
Oct 28 15:05:11 <daniele_athome> 2:0.7.0+svnr53914-r11.6
Oct 28 15:05:17 <daniele_athome> my installed elementary version
Oct 28 15:08:17 <mrmoku> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/elementary_0.7.0+svnr53914-r11.6_armv4t.ipk
Oct 28 15:08:22 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 28 15:08:37 <daniele_athome> mmm
Oct 28 15:08:39 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 28 15:09:18 <mrmoku> and phoneuid?
Oct 28 15:09:23 <mrmoku> or better libphone-ui-shr
Oct 28 15:10:14 <daniele_athome> 0.0.1+gitr420+eea30165ad88dc303dd16564ecc6452b53d3de6c-r1.6
Oct 28 15:10:15 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Oct 28 15:10:30 <daniele_athome> but no description
Oct 28 15:10:39 <daniele_athome> like if it doesn't exist in the feed
Oct 28 15:10:52 <mrmoku> yeah, libphone-ui-shr needs rebuilding
Oct 28 15:11:06 <mrmoku> should be 040f1fa4f36339cd344ca20aaec7e5eb6d892f6a
Oct 28 15:11:49 * mrmoku checks if buildhost is bored
Oct 28 15:11:54 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 28 15:13:21 <mrmoku> JaMa: ^^?
Oct 28 15:14:55 <mrmoku> JaMa: python-elementary failed and it's building binutils now
Oct 28 15:15:20 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: are you on tests/shr-unstable or the official feed?
Oct 28 15:15:33 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, official feed
Oct 28 15:18:52 <JaMa> mrmoku: yup about gitweb
Oct 28 15:18:58 <JaMa> daniele_athome: it's append now
Oct 28 15:19:07 <JaMa> daniele_athome: elm_toolbar_item_append
Oct 28 15:19:30 <daniele_athome> JaMa, i know but i think buildhost didn't update libphone-ui-shr :)
Oct 28 15:19:33 <JaMa> daniele_athome: and on target, the build is not finished yet :/
Oct 28 15:19:37 <daniele_athome> ah
Oct 28 15:19:39 <daniele_athome> :)
Oct 28 15:19:53 <daniele_athome> i will upgrade later
Oct 28 15:19:55 <JaMa> i've started it with sync, but it failed to build target gcc
Oct 28 15:19:59 <daniele_athome> messages works, it's all i need right now ;)
Oct 28 15:20:02 <JaMa> so it's not all synced
Oct 28 15:20:04 <mrmoku> JaMa: all efl python stsuff is failing
Oct 28 15:20:18 <JaMa> mrmoku: don't you also have gcc failed?
Oct 28 15:20:24 <daniele_athome> gtg
Oct 28 15:20:27 <daniele_athome> see you tomorrow
Oct 28 15:20:28 <daniele_athome> bye! :)
Oct 28 15:20:29 <mrmoku> did not try the fixed linaro thing yet
Oct 28 15:20:32 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: cu
Oct 28 15:20:50 <JaMa> mrmoku: I mean when target gcc build failed it broke gcc-cross on shr buildhost
Oct 28 15:20:59 <JaMa> mrmoku: I had to clean_toolchain before restarting build
Oct 28 15:21:29 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 28 15:25:17 <mrmoku> JaMa: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=n900-oe.git;a=summary
Oct 28 15:26:10 <JaMa> mrmoku: thanks
Oct 28 15:27:02 <mrmoku> yvmw
Oct 28 15:30:34 <JaMa> heh build is so much faster on notdegraded raid :)
Oct 28 15:31:07 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 28 15:31:43 <JaMa> with degraded array and backup running I still had at least twice the speed of buildhost :)
Oct 28 15:40:57 * GNUtoo|laptop has raid0+encryption on his laptop
Oct 28 15:41:04 * GNUtoo|laptop lives dangerously
Oct 28 15:48:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> eet: | eet_lib.c:50:28: fatal error: gnutls/gnutls.h: No such file or directory
Oct 28 15:49:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> oe.dev
Oct 28 15:50:11 <JaMa> missing gnutls in DEPENDS?
Oct 28 15:50:42 <gnutoo> I'll look
Oct 28 15:50:57 <gnutoo> I hope it's that
Oct 28 15:51:29 <JaMa> ./configure.ac:want_gnutls="auto"
Oct 28 15:51:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 15:51:54 <JaMa> probably detected gnutls on your host but it wasn't built in OE.. feel free to add it to DEPENDS
Oct 28 15:52:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's in ./efl1/eet_svn.bb ?
Oct 28 15:53:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> or that's for old enlightenment libraries?
Oct 28 15:54:36 <JaMa> what do you mean by old? and yes
Oct 28 15:56:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> by old I mean there is something that replaces it
Oct 28 15:56:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it seem that no
Oct 28 15:56:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> (grepping found only this eet)
Oct 28 15:57:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is no efl2
Oct 28 15:57:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> dir
Oct 28 16:00:39 <JaMa> there isn't anything replacing it
Oct 28 16:01:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 16:02:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've a headache, I commited locally and push later
Oct 28 16:05:15 <JaMa> ok thx
Oct 28 16:36:17 <JaMa> GNUtoo|laptop: why do we have root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 in 2.6.35 and root=/dev/mmcblk1p1 in 2.6.28, you're keeping both partitions simultaneously?
Oct 28 16:36:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Oct 28 16:37:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> root=/dev/mmcblk1p1 should be right
Oct 28 16:37:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> p2 should be an error
Oct 28 16:37:22 <mrmoku> JaMa: 1 is where GNUtoo|laptop has his shr and 2 is where I hav it :P
Oct 28 16:37:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok lol
Oct 28 16:37:32 <JaMa> ok :)
Oct 28 16:37:57 <JaMa> so I'll put meego to p1 and shr to p2 and update it locally :)
Oct 28 16:38:42 * mrmoku got annoyed by maemo complaining about p1 not being fat
Oct 28 16:38:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> shr-image is nearly done(do_rootfs), I'll eat and then I'll test and push my oe comit after review
Oct 28 16:43:18 <JaMa> buildhost almost finished gta02 images too :)
Oct 28 16:50:13 <pespin> JaMa, hope it has most of the problmes from lat weeks fixed :P
Oct 28 16:54:56 <JaMa> hmm
Oct 28 16:55:03 <JaMa> it has your fancy icon :)
Oct 28 16:55:27 <JaMa> and big icons are not fixed
Oct 28 16:57:55 <pespin> JaMa, og you put it in default image? great :D
Oct 28 17:06:39 <JaMa> pespin: you still have to enable it and install it with opkg
Oct 28 17:08:04 <pespin> JaMa, ah ok jeje :)
Oct 28 17:30:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, is there some improved icons?
Oct 28 17:32:34 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, just added an icon for eFileManager. You can try it installing efm-icon-desktop + enabling EFM modules in Illume settings
Oct 28 17:36:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 17:55:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, it keeps rebooting after showing the shr logo
Oct 28 17:55:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try to disable watchdogs
Oct 28 17:59:03 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: I had that on first boot with enabled watchdogs
Oct 28 17:59:14 <mrmoku> did not dig in to it due to lack of time
Oct 28 17:59:35 <mrmoku> but after a boot with disabled watchdogs re-enabling worked IIRC
Oct 28 17:59:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Oct 28 17:59:48 <mrmoku> might be some udev first boot thing
Oct 28 17:59:50 <mrmoku> dunno
Oct 28 17:59:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's quite simple to understand
Oct 28 18:00:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> first boot has to configure everything right?
Oct 28 18:00:07 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 28 18:00:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> it takes more time right?
Oct 28 18:00:12 <mrmoku> exactly
Oct 28 18:00:22 <mrmoku> too much time for the impatient watchdog ;)
Oct 28 18:00:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed so I bet watchdog doesn't have the time to start
Oct 28 18:00:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Oct 28 18:00:43 <mrmoku> what can we do about that?
Oct 28 18:00:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Oct 28 18:00:54 <mrmoku> start watchdog earlier
Oct 28 18:00:55 <mrmoku> probably
Oct 28 18:00:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> add in TODO list and care later
Oct 28 18:01:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> and indeed start earlier
Oct 28 18:01:03 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 28 18:02:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> oh noes
Oct 28 18:02:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> usb0 is not up
Oct 28 18:02:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> keyboard doesn't work
Oct 28 18:03:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> I mean it prints p instead of 0
Oct 28 18:03:16 <mrmoku> xterm?
Oct 28 18:03:30 <mrmoku> wrong x layout I mean?
Oct 28 18:03:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> vala-terminal
Oct 28 18:03:49 <mrmoku> check if your build has the CoreKeyboard thing in xorg.conf
Oct 28 18:03:49 * GNUtoo|laptop hesitate to abandon
Oct 28 18:03:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:04:06 <mrmoku> I think JaMa pushed it short ago
Oct 28 18:04:12 <mrmoku> maybe you need to pull to get it
Oct 28 18:04:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I found a 0 to copy
Oct 28 18:05:07 <mrmoku> hehe :)
Oct 28 18:06:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> sshd didn't start
Oct 28 18:07:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> privilege separation user sshd  does not exitts
Oct 28 18:07:36 <mrmoku> heh
Oct 28 18:07:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> adduser did the trick
Oct 28 18:07:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I'm really fed-up of theses stuff
Oct 28 18:07:56 <mrmoku> maybe due to unsuccessfull configure interrupted by watchdog
Oct 28 18:08:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahh
Oct 28 18:08:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll retry then
Oct 28 18:08:10 * mrmoku tries buildhost image
Oct 28 18:08:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks a lot
Oct 28 18:08:15 <mrmoku> np
Oct 28 18:08:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> you were not there when I discussed with JaMa some time ago
Oct 28 18:08:40 <mrmoku> today?
Oct 28 18:08:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> no 
Oct 28 18:08:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> many days ago
Oct 28 18:09:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> when I talked about frustration, quiting, lacks of devs etc...
Oct 28 18:10:18 <mrmoku> would be a sad thing to have you quit due to frustration
Oct 28 18:10:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically here's the issue
Oct 28 18:10:30 <leviathan> GNUtoo|laptop: did you know that we now have the first om-gta04 boards?
Oct 28 18:10:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> we're not a lot of devs
Oct 28 18:10:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> a number of bugs appear
Oct 28 18:10:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, one sec please
Oct 28 18:10:53 <leviathan> kk
Oct 28 18:11:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> so if the number of bugs per developper is too high
Oct 28 18:11:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> it makes people quit
Oct 28 18:11:08 <leviathan> yes...
Oct 28 18:11:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> which is a vicious circle
Oct 28 18:11:19 <leviathan> its that issue with undocumented hardware
Oct 28 18:11:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> so we should really be carefull with that
Oct 28 18:11:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, I'm not talking about undocumented hardware bug generic bugs
Oct 28 18:12:02 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Oct 28 18:12:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> like for instance not having control of your phone because ssh didn't start
Oct 28 18:12:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> and usb0 wasn't up
Oct 28 18:12:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> and keyboard is limited
Oct 28 18:12:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> and touchscreen isn't usable
Oct 28 18:12:27 <leviathan> hmm, i see
Oct 28 18:12:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> it appeared at the beginning with n900
Oct 28 18:12:39 <mrmoku> which are all things we already had working :/
Oct 28 18:12:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it's kind of back
Oct 28 18:12:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> with usb0
Oct 28 18:12:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll try
Oct 28 18:13:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> to re-boot a fresh image
Oct 28 18:14:24 <mrmoku> I wonder if buildhost image is too old
Oct 28 18:14:29 <mrmoku> it's from 3 days ago
Oct 28 18:14:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:14:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> the image I tried were mines
Oct 28 18:14:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> from some min ago
Oct 28 18:14:48 <mrmoku> yeah
Oct 28 18:14:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, do you have more details
Oct 28 18:15:42 <leviathan> GNUtoo|laptop: on the board?
Oct 28 18:15:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Oct 28 18:16:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically will it make it to a phone
Oct 28 18:16:17 <leviathan> of course, because I'm involved too (doing the CAD atm) ^^
Oct 28 18:16:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> or is it a panda that does't fit in a case with a modem attached to it
Oct 28 18:16:30 <leviathan> thats the reason, why I'm building a reprap
Oct 28 18:16:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:16:39 <leviathan> for a case
Oct 28 18:16:40 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 28 18:16:44 <leviathan> uhm
Oct 28 18:16:49 <leviathan> its not panda
Oct 28 18:16:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:16:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's beagle then?
Oct 28 18:17:01 <leviathan> gta04 will still be OMAP3530
Oct 28 18:17:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:17:30 <leviathan> you can buy a board, already, but its still far too expensive... 900€
Oct 28 18:17:34 <leviathan> uhh
Oct 28 18:17:38 <leviathan> even 999€
Oct 28 18:18:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> for gta04
Oct 28 18:18:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Oct 28 18:18:11 <leviathan> yes
Oct 28 18:18:12 <leviathan> atm
Oct 28 18:18:26 <leviathan> its a VERY limited edition...
Oct 28 18:18:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:18:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> you have one?
Oct 28 18:18:54 <leviathan> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
Oct 28 18:19:53 <leviathan> GNUtoo|laptop: I don't have one
Oct 28 18:20:07 <leviathan> I'm still working on my RepRap
Oct 28 18:20:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:20:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> you plan to get one?
Oct 28 18:20:32 <leviathan> sure
Oct 28 18:20:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok 
Oct 28 18:20:37 <leviathan> :-)
Oct 28 18:20:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> will you have time to hack on it?
Oct 28 18:21:02 <leviathan> hmm
Oct 28 18:21:03 <leviathan> dunno
Oct 28 18:21:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> because you don't even have the time for the geeksphone
Oct 28 18:21:26 <leviathan> getting involved into OpenMoko had more priority
Oct 28 18:21:38 <leviathan> because in the trial to get opensource onto smartphones
Oct 28 18:21:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:21:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically for geeksphone here's the thing
Oct 28 18:21:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> n900 may be the phone
Oct 28 18:22:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it's very expensive
Oct 28 18:22:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> geeksphone in another hand is less expensive
Oct 28 18:22:12 <leviathan> helping openmoko up is much more then hacking on semi-proprietary hardware
Oct 28 18:22:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:22:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it's easy to do
Oct 28 18:22:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> add keyboard support
Oct 28 18:22:29 <leviathan> and we are on a good way
Oct 28 18:22:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> build a rootfs
Oct 28 18:22:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> make MACHINE_CLASS with htcdream and geeksphone
Oct 28 18:22:40 <leviathan> its already done
Oct 28 18:22:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:22:49 <leviathan> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-rootfs/
Oct 28 18:22:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:23:07 <leviathan> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/
Oct 28 18:23:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> yess!!!! it comes up(usb0+sshd)
Oct 28 18:23:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks a lot mrmoku 
Oct 28 18:24:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> now libissi
Oct 28 18:24:33 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: great :D
Oct 28 18:24:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> now charging before I forgett
Oct 28 18:25:03 <mrmoku> oh yes
Oct 28 18:25:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> preventing frustration before it happens
Oct 28 18:43:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, GTK_IMMODULE=xim disappeared
Oct 28 18:44:31 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: jama moved it to a better place
Oct 28 18:44:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> where?
Oct 28 18:44:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> because it doesn't seem to work
Oct 28 18:46:21 <mrmoku> to base-files IIRC
Oct 28 18:46:44 <mrmoku> profile.d
Oct 28 18:46:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah?
Oct 28 18:47:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't see it in my rootfs
Oct 28 18:47:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> /etc/profile.d only has
Oct 28 18:47:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> elementary.sh  tslib.sh
Oct 28 18:47:42 <mrmoku> btw. does your kbd work now?
Oct 28 18:48:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Oct 28 18:48:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I just said
Oct 28 18:48:19 <mrmoku> maybe pr was not bumped
Oct 28 18:48:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I think too
Oct 28 18:49:11 <mrmoku> ahh layout is correct then
Oct 28 18:49:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> ???
Oct 28 18:49:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't understand the commit
Oct 28 18:49:34 <mrmoku> just gtk apps don´t work
Oct 28 18:49:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> +           file://profile.d \
Oct 28 18:49:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> both are incorrect
Oct 28 18:49:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> my keyboard layout is incorrect
Oct 28 18:50:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> but that doesn't change a thing
Oct 28 18:50:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've italian keyboard
Oct 28 18:50:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it should act as a plain english keyboard 
Oct 28 18:50:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> it doesn't
Oct 28 18:50:27 <mrmoku> I mean for keyboard to work correctly we need two things
Oct 28 18:50:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> it act as a limited keyboard
Oct 28 18:50:33 <mrmoku> the correct model in xorg.conf
Oct 28 18:50:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:50:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've the default stuff
Oct 28 18:50:43 <mrmoku> and for gtk apps the GTK_IMMODULE thing
Oct 28 18:50:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I miss the GTK_IMMODULE stuff
Oct 28 18:51:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok now I understnand the commit
Oct 28 18:51:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> PR was not bumped
Oct 28 18:51:54 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 28 18:51:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> can you bump PR?
Oct 28 18:52:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> or should I do it
Oct 28 18:52:26 <mrmoku> is it ok to just bump PR for base-files?
Oct 28 18:52:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't know
Oct 28 18:52:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet it will rebuild for every machine
Oct 28 18:52:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> no?
Oct 28 18:53:00 <mrmoku> probably... makes update everybody though
Oct 28 18:53:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> is it machine arch
Oct 28 18:53:28 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 28 18:53:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> PACKAGE_ARCH = "${MACHINE_ARCH}"
Oct 28 18:53:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:53:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> so in a hand it will "rebuild" for every machine
Oct 28 18:54:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> in the other hand it just install files, it doesn't compile anything
Oct 28 18:54:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it should be fast
Oct 28 18:54:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe ask koen if he's arround somewhere
Oct 28 18:54:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> as he would be the one who could be upset by the change
Oct 28 18:54:36 <mrmoku> building is not the problem... it will make update base-files on everybodys target
Oct 28 18:54:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Oct 28 18:54:45 <mrmoku> hehe
Oct 28 18:54:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> building is a problem
Oct 28 18:54:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> because
Oct 28 18:55:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> once I put initscript MACHINE_ARCH
Oct 28 18:55:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> for every machine 
Oct 28 18:55:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> and koen pinged me on irc
Oct 28 18:55:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> telling me that it would rebuild it for every machine
Oct 28 18:55:30 <mrmoku> heh
Oct 28 18:55:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> and as we all know angstrom has a ton of machines
Oct 28 18:55:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> it was my fault because it was not-reviewed core change
Oct 28 18:55:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> the change was pretty small
Oct 28 18:55:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> but still
Oct 28 18:56:06 <mrmoku> you could just rebuild it locally then.. and force update
Oct 28 18:56:16 <mrmoku> or just add that file :P
Oct 28 18:56:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> so send a patch to oe
Oct 28 18:56:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't need to add the file
Oct 28 18:56:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've an older hand-tweaked rootfs
Oct 28 18:56:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> on 16G microsdcard
Oct 28 18:56:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> that I will keep for now
Oct 28 18:56:55 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 28 18:57:09 <mrmoku> a patch just for PR bump feels a bit extreme though
Oct 28 18:57:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> I need to do a todo
Oct 28 18:58:06 <mrmoku> hmm... todo is something I'm missing too... not that I don't know what to do... but still
Oct 28 19:08:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900/TODO#Urgent
Oct 28 19:11:59 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: good
Oct 28 19:14:53 <dos1> GNUtoo|laptop: what's wrong with smooth = down?
Oct 28 19:15:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> dos1, simply that you have full backlight or no backlight
Oct 28 19:15:28 <dos1> hmm
Oct 28 19:15:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's also very buggy
Oct 28 19:15:32 <dos1> it used to work
Oct 28 19:15:41 <dos1> and still works on my FR
Oct 28 19:15:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> it can power down backlight without you beeing able to power it up again without waiting
Oct 28 19:15:48 <mrmoku> we're on n900
Oct 28 19:15:53 <mrmoku> but it works for me there too
Oct 28 19:15:55 <dos1> mrmoku: i know :P
Oct 28 19:16:00 <mrmoku> :P
Oct 28 19:16:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, try that:
Oct 28 19:16:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> go in shr-settings
Oct 28 19:16:10 <mrmoku> I know
Oct 28 19:16:14 <mrmoku> in shr-settings it does not work
Oct 28 19:16:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Oct 28 19:16:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Oct 28 19:16:23 <mrmoku> but the smooth auto-dimming works fine
Oct 28 19:16:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> changing backlight intensity is broken because of that
Oct 28 19:16:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes the smooth works fine
Oct 28 19:16:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> but not the rest
Oct 28 19:17:28 <dos1> that seems to be pure fsodeviced bug
Oct 28 19:17:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Oct 28 19:17:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> it works fine at kernel level
Oct 28 19:17:53 <dos1> so no need for remove "smooth = down", we just have to bug mickey|zzZZzz :D
Oct 28 19:18:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok lol
Oct 28 19:24:10 <mrmoku> dos1: did you try latest buildhost image for n900 ?
Oct 28 19:25:07 <dos1> mrmoku: not yet, only upgraded 2 days ago IIRC
Oct 28 19:25:16 <dos1> but i think i will over weekend
Oct 28 19:26:46 <mrmoku> dos1: ok, will do it now then ;)
Oct 28 20:16:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, do you plan to push the PR bump in oe?
Oct 28 20:16:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've tons of mail
Oct 28 20:16:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I've to read them and I can't do that too
Oct 28 20:16:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm also talking with sre about libisi
Oct 28 20:17:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> he fixed the buildability, so it's now buildable with oe_runmake
Oct 28 20:26:15 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
Oct 28 20:31:50 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: pushed
Oct 28 20:32:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok thanks a lot
Oct 28 20:32:07 * mrmoku hides to not get spanked by koen :P
Oct 28 20:32:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol
Oct 28 20:38:51 <mrmoku> gnutoo: buildhost is building a new n900 image
Oct 28 20:39:11 <gnutoo> ok nice
Oct 28 20:39:23 <mrmoku> and me is going to bed
Oct 28 20:39:30 <mrmoku> have a good night :)
Oct 28 20:41:49 <gnutoo> thanks
Oct 28 20:41:50 <gnutoo> bye
Oct 28 20:41:54 <gnutoo> see you another day
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