**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 30 02:59:57 2010 Oct 30 07:54:20 daniele_athome: the script is still not getting installed ? Oct 30 07:59:03 JaMa|Off: ok Oct 30 08:22:02 JaMa: interesting would be if xev reports power button in the new kernel Oct 30 08:22:09 Hi Oct 30 08:22:13 or if it is configured in X Oct 30 08:25:31 Kensan: Hi Oct 30 08:25:41 hello everybody, I have a Freerunner A7+ bought from Golden Delicious to sell. Oct 30 08:26:08 price is 150 + shipping if anyone is interested I can provide more details Oct 30 08:37:07 morning Oct 30 08:37:28 elementary.c_elementary.Toolbar.item_add was changed to item_append Oct 30 08:37:46 but was there another change with parameters handling? anyone knows? Oct 30 08:37:56 TypeError: expected string or Unicode object, Icon found Oct 30 08:42:49 vanous: yes see libphone-ui-shr this is from previous change Oct 30 08:43:27 vanous: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-ui-shr.git;a=commit;h=601d02d007d3519154673a272f3a924bb325d79d Oct 30 08:43:45 oh, i see Oct 30 08:44:02 hmm, need to figure out a way when i don't use a theme... Oct 30 08:46:10 grr, more changes i guess :( AttributeError: 'elementary.c_elementary.ToolbarItem' object has no attribute 'select' Oct 30 08:47:57 huh, ok, at least i got it running now Oct 30 08:47:58 hopefully the API fiddling is over very soon... Oct 30 08:48:32 well well, not sure Oct 30 08:48:48 although E might get a release, elementary is not part of it, or? :) Oct 30 08:49:16 but elementary is going to be released soon too Oct 30 08:49:19 only shapshots Oct 30 08:49:21 really Oct 30 08:49:22 cool Oct 30 08:49:32 yeah Oct 30 08:49:50 will make our lifes more pleasant :P Oct 30 08:51:49 vanous: btw. whenever I see your nick I feel bad to not yet have found the time to respond to that mail Oct 30 08:53:05 mrmoku: no worries, really, myself had so little time lately.... Oct 30 08:53:15 and would rather help more Oct 30 08:53:20 ok Oct 30 08:53:49 just don't think we're not interested Oct 30 08:55:21 no, i have no problem with this at all Oct 30 08:55:36 good Oct 30 08:56:25 what i think we would need is a bit more focus, but as i said before, myself have been swamped by traveling in past two months... Oct 30 09:00:50 how is n900 ? Oct 30 09:01:16 need a new work phone but have been delaying it as much as i can, to replace my nokia e72 Oct 30 09:02:11 vanous: instead select there is set_selected IIRC Oct 30 09:03:00 JaMa: thank you, i am just looking at the changes Oct 30 09:04:33 pity that libeflvala weren't still updated :/ Oct 30 09:05:05 vanous: (n900) I like it Oct 30 09:05:33 at least hardware wise I like it very much Oct 30 09:05:39 and the software we will change :) Oct 30 09:07:09 have been considering it, or pré2, but i am suspicious that in pre2 they changed the gsm protocol and it will not be compatible with fso work Oct 30 09:08:15 quite possible, yeah Oct 30 09:08:25 I really appreciate to have a hardware keyboard Oct 30 09:22:45 see you later folks Oct 30 12:49:30 hi grv Oct 30 12:49:44 I talked to grv in #trisquel and we're continuing the conversation here Oct 30 12:50:02 GNUtoo|laptop: heyo Oct 30 12:50:04 basically he wanted to find a phone to work on, some phone where there is a lot of work to be done Oct 30 12:50:13 so, Oct 30 12:50:25 about the nexusone, some people got debian booting on it but: Oct 30 12:50:28 *no alsa driver Oct 30 12:51:04 *if you want to use FSO(freesmartphones.org),you must fix it to work with the nexusone modem, it should be easy Oct 30 12:51:33 *wifi has userland standard interface (wext) but no netlink or cfg80211, not a big problem Oct 30 12:51:45 GNUtoo|laptop: what i want to do is.. get Gnu/linux running on a portable device Oct 30 12:51:45 and develop some kind of gui for that Oct 30 12:52:14 just to run, that's easy Oct 30 12:52:20 follow the instructions at: Oct 30 12:52:29 http://www.irregular-expression.com/?p=30 Oct 30 12:52:45 to get it working with a decent user experience is another story Oct 30 12:52:59 for instance if you follow the instructions I gave you have no sound Oct 30 12:53:13 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison is our status Oct 30 12:53:44 s/have/you have/ Oct 30 12:54:01 then the GUI should be easy Oct 30 12:54:50 oh i'll definitely try that out.. Oct 30 12:55:12 as you can develop it in pretty much what you want(pygtk,C and gtk, enlightenment and C, QT and C++ etc...) Oct 30 12:55:46 currently nearly no-one is working on nexusone Oct 30 12:55:54 I tried it a bit Oct 30 12:56:00 c and EFL must be obvious for me Oct 30 12:56:02 ok Oct 30 12:56:40 then nexusone should be a good opportunity ... for me.. to learn new things Oct 30 12:56:53 indeed Oct 30 12:57:01 but expect it to be complicated Oct 30 12:57:02 i think i can get one on ebay Oct 30 12:57:05 ok Oct 30 12:57:16 ask all the questions you want to me before buying one Oct 30 12:57:42 what are your opinions about odroid?? Oct 30 12:57:43 I've also published my alsa driver which plays 4x faster and has no alsamixer controls etc... Oct 30 12:57:49 I must look at it before Oct 30 12:57:58 in order to have an opinion Oct 30 12:58:05 odroid is readily available here Oct 30 12:58:31 a firm sells it.. and its just 10 km from my house... Oct 30 12:58:38 i can just go and get it Oct 30 12:58:42 :D Oct 30 15:25:23 GNUtoo|laptop: know anyone adding nl80211 to bcm driver? or integrating with upstream driver that has it? Oct 30 15:36:31 JaMa, hi where should I take last image? from shr-unstable/images/ dir? :) Oct 30 15:41:57 tmzt, no Oct 30 15:42:24 okay, this string parsing in kernel is stupid and I want it gone Oct 30 15:42:31 tmzt, I'm not aware of such people...but maybe with newer released bcm driver? Oct 30 15:42:47 somebody was talking about adding monitor mode yesteday Oct 30 15:42:51 tmzt, anyway alsa is the biggest problem for nexusone Oct 30 15:42:56 ok Oct 30 15:42:56 yeah, probably we just have to port sdio_dhd to it Oct 30 15:42:58 true Oct 30 15:45:41 pespin: yes Oct 30 17:00:33 mrmoku or JaMa: cookie! Oct 30 17:00:42 i've fixed mokomaze to work correctly with 2.6.34 Oct 30 17:01:12 (which wasn't too hard :P) Oct 30 17:09:29 dos1: ok, will apply, thanks Oct 30 17:10:03 dos1: what is 785 for? Oct 30 17:10:37 JaMa: now xserver-nodm isn't called on halting at all Oct 30 17:10:53 JaMa: it prevents shr-splash on shuting down from working correctly Oct 30 17:11:07 ah I see.. the commit message is strange :) Oct 30 17:11:28 JaMa: it seems to be some mistake, as previous version of recipe has also level 0 added Oct 30 17:11:31 JaMa: feel free to change it ;) Oct 30 17:19:54 dos1: both pushed Oct 30 17:20:01 JaMa: thanks! Oct 30 17:21:32 hi mickeyl Oct 30 17:21:55 you should talk to sre+morphis next week Oct 30 17:22:03 ok Oct 30 17:22:17 because they want to decide on how to integrate sre'slib for n900 modem Oct 30 17:22:28 btw I don't think I should work on modem Oct 30 17:22:47 because I would polute the high quality implementation with my low quality code Oct 30 17:23:22 I only write small programs or know how to modify stuff well, but design something from scratch that has to be high quality is not for me yet Oct 30 17:23:35 I'm more a system person(kenrel,oe etc...) Oct 30 17:23:59 mickeyl, btw are you aware of the "smooth = down" bug in fso Oct 30 17:24:22 if it's not in the bugtracker, I'm not Oct 30 17:24:49 ok Oct 30 17:25:12 on n900 if you put smooth = down fso only writes 0 or 255 to the backlight sys node Oct 30 17:25:37 which prevent shr-settings from changing backlight intensity to any number between both Oct 30 17:26:09 do you plan to fix that? Oct 30 17:27:54 I'm tired today, so maybe I don't explain well Oct 30 17:29:57 mickeyl, should I bugreport in fso bugtracker? Oct 30 17:31:13 yes, please report that. Oct 30 17:31:31 ok Oct 30 18:36:37 mickeyl, sorry it works now....strange Oct 30 18:36:41 new rootfs tough Oct 30 18:45:08 hi JaMa Oct 30 18:45:33 does someone use jabber/xmpp here? Oct 30 18:45:46 I can't use pidgin because of a certificate error Oct 30 18:45:58 it's not top priority tough Oct 30 18:46:08 tested only on n900 Oct 30 18:48:08 gnutoo, you could try building empathy Oct 30 18:48:15 It would be great to have it in shr Oct 30 18:48:22 ah? Oct 30 18:48:30 gnutoo, for jabber Oct 30 18:48:31 :) Oct 30 18:48:32 does it have encryption? Oct 30 18:48:39 I know what empathy is Oct 30 18:48:42 is it in oe? Oct 30 18:48:54 no idea, just saying you could look if it was available ;) Oct 30 18:48:58 ok Oct 30 18:49:02 it's low priority Oct 30 18:49:14 it was just for quick and dirty bugreporting Oct 30 18:49:36 I think I'll look in /etc/fstab of n900 Oct 30 18:52:34 who wants to work on n900 battery btw? Oct 30 18:52:45 is there someone or should I do it when I've the time Oct 30 18:52:45 ? Oct 30 18:52:52 I wouldn't even know where to start Oct 30 18:53:08 because fsodeviced wasn't made for userspace battery charging I bet Oct 30 18:53:14 maybe fsousaged? Oct 30 18:56:43 fsodeviced sounds better Oct 30 18:56:50 apart from suspend/resume, everything lowlevel is there Oct 30 18:58:55 ok Oct 30 18:58:58 btw mioctl /dev/fb0 0x4611 4 works Oct 30 18:59:09 how do I use that with mdbus2 -s ? Oct 30 18:59:26 0x4611 is FBIOBLANK Oct 30 18:59:30 4 is powerdown Oct 30 18:59:35 ok Oct 30 19:00:08 mickeyl, so someone(maybe me) add battery in fsodeviced and then someone else use it in fsousaged? Oct 30 19:00:35 sure, everything is possible Oct 30 19:00:54 if you don't prevent it via config, setting backlight to 0 issues FBIOBLANK Oct 30 19:01:10 ah? Oct 30 19:01:13 I'll try Oct 30 19:02:16 hmmm Oct 30 19:02:17 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.SetBrightness 0 Oct 30 19:02:23 put the brightness to 0 Oct 30 19:02:29 but doesn't poweroff the display Oct 30 19:02:32 on n900 Oct 30 19:02:36 JaMa, hey, with efenniht theme in shr-u, columns in illume-desktop show ok ;) Oct 30 19:03:20 * gnutoo go read the docs Oct 30 19:03:22 strace to make sure FBIOBLANK is actually emitted Oct 30 19:04:14 ok Oct 30 19:04:29 I strace fsodeviced? Oct 30 19:04:55 yes Oct 30 19:04:58 ok Oct 30 19:05:56 note that it will only touch the backlight ioctl on the transition from off to non-off and vice versa Oct 30 19:06:13 so if it's previously set to 0, setting it again won't do anything Oct 30 19:07:40 ioctl(6, FBIOBLANK, 0) = 0 Oct 30 19:07:45 6 is /dev/fb0 Oct 30 19:07:51 excellent Oct 30 19:08:04 so fsodeviced does what it's supposed to Oct 30 19:08:26 mioctl /dev/fb0 0x4611 4 Oct 30 19:08:30 4 is powedown Oct 30 19:08:34 I'll doubble check Oct 30 19:08:44 it's in include/linux/fb.h Oct 30 19:09:07 #define VESA_POWERDOWN 3 Oct 30 19:09:22 FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN = VESA_POWERDOWN + 1 Oct 30 19:09:51 yep Oct 30 19:10:11 so if you change 0 to 4 it should work right? Oct 30 19:10:15 hmm Oct 30 19:10:19 no Oct 30 19:10:21 ? Oct 30 19:10:39 does it actually issue 0 to power off? Oct 30 19:10:44 according to the code it uses 4 Oct 30 19:10:46 0 powers on Oct 30 19:10:49 ok Oct 30 19:10:59 I'll build a new image then Oct 30 19:11:11 where is it in the code? Oct 30 19:11:21 private void _setBacklightPower( bool on ) Oct 30 19:11:22 { Oct 30 19:11:22 if ( fb_fd != -1 ) Oct 30 19:11:22 Linux.ioctl( fb_fd, FBIOBLANK, on ? FB_BLANK_UNBLANK : FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN ); Oct 30 19:11:22 } Oct 30 19:11:35 kernel26_display/plugin.vala Oct 30 19:11:37 ok Oct 30 19:13:00 hmm Oct 30 19:13:06 btw. Oct 30 19:13:27 i don't know what backlight_omapfb does Oct 30 19:13:44 ah ok Oct 30 19:13:46 looks like someone just copied the code from kernel26_display with small modifications Oct 30 19:13:50 that's pretty bad :( Oct 30 19:13:54 ~lart whoever did that Oct 30 19:14:03 * gnutoo suspects morphis Oct 30 19:14:03 i don't think we're using backlight_omapfb on n900 Oct 30 19:14:07 ok Oct 30 19:14:39 [fsodevice.kernel26_display] Oct 30 19:14:47 we use kernel26 Oct 30 19:14:52 I'll doubble check everything Oct 30 19:14:53 good Oct 30 19:14:56 then it should just work Oct 30 19:15:01 as it does on many other platforms Oct 30 19:15:11 except where you removed FBIOBLANK :D Oct 30 19:18:02 I had good reasons Oct 30 19:18:05 anyway Oct 30 19:18:15 hehe, i know, just teasing Oct 30 19:18:17 what is true and what is false Oct 30 19:18:25 yes :) Oct 30 19:19:04 is 0 false in mdbus2? Oct 30 19:19:22 0 is pretty much false everywhere Oct 30 19:19:22 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.SetBacklightPower 1 doesn't power on the display Oct 30 19:19:24 ok Oct 30 19:19:36 SetBacklightPower uses bl_power Oct 30 19:19:42 which is something different, often not implemented either Oct 30 19:19:51 ok Oct 30 19:20:28 so... Oct 30 19:20:28 it sucks a bit that it's different, should always do that in setbrightness and just remove setbacklightpower altogether Oct 30 19:20:52 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.SetBrightness 100 => ioctl(6, FBIOBLANK, 0) = 0 => ok Oct 30 19:20:55 but... Oct 30 19:21:31 mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.SetBrightness 0 => the sys node to 0, but display not FBIOBLANK_POWERDOWN , and nothing on strace side Oct 30 19:22:05 interesting Oct 30 19:22:09 does it also happen without soft? Oct 30 19:22:12 in other words the backlight is at 0 but I can still see the display, interact with it Oct 30 19:22:28 2010-10-30T19:15:50.400635Z [DEBUG] Kernel26Display : Brightness set to 255 [hard] Oct 30 19:22:28 2010-10-30T19:16:27.941986Z [DEBUG] Kernel26Display : Brightness set to 0 [soft] Oct 30 19:22:30 what's soft? Oct 30 19:22:46 ah, looks like soft doesn't issue setBacklightPower Oct 30 19:22:55 soft is a backlight brightness configuration Oct 30 19:23:16 remove it in config to test Oct 30 19:23:22 i suspect it is exactly that Oct 30 19:23:34 ok Oct 30 19:24:06 how to remove soft? Oct 30 19:24:11 I've that: Oct 30 19:24:12 smooth = down Oct 30 19:24:13 but no softr Oct 30 19:24:17 s/r// Oct 30 19:24:28 smooth is soft Oct 30 19:24:32 outcommen tit Oct 30 19:24:34 ok Oct 30 19:24:34 and try again Oct 30 19:24:52 judging from the code, it's obvious Oct 30 19:25:02 works Oct 30 19:25:05 without soft Oct 30 19:25:14 yep, _setBrightnessSoft is lacking that. needs to be fixed there Oct 30 19:25:17 ioctl(6, FBIOBLANK, 0x4) = 0 Oct 30 19:25:53 who should fix? Oct 30 19:25:55 me or you? Oct 30 19:26:23 do you know how to? Oct 30 19:26:32 i guess i would need to think a bit how to do it properly Oct 30 19:26:33 I've to look at the code etc... Oct 30 19:26:49 I didn't even read the code of that part Oct 30 19:27:11 then it might be better if i do it. i wrote that Oct 30 19:27:23 ok thanks a lot Oct 30 19:27:36 np, if tomorrow is a good day, i can do it Oct 30 19:28:29 i can't work on the sofa much these days, as my 8 cell battery is broken :/ Oct 30 19:28:40 the 4 cell only lasts 1 hour Oct 30 19:28:59 but a new 8 cell costs over 100 EUR Oct 30 19:29:01 they're crazy Oct 30 19:29:14 ouch ok Oct 30 19:29:45 and I bet using ssh won't work Oct 30 19:30:11 (from a working device) Oct 30 19:30:15 lol Oct 30 19:30:21 well Oct 30 19:30:23 it would Oct 30 19:30:28 but my office is cold and dark Oct 30 19:30:32 (in-house office) Oct 30 19:30:35 ok Oct 30 19:30:38 i don't enjoy working there during winter Oct 30 19:30:45 that's why i rather code on the sofa :) Oct 30 19:30:52 I meant n900 or htcdream with ssh and your laptop with sshd Oct 30 19:31:13 but first they need to work well Oct 30 19:31:19 which is a chicken and egg issue Oct 30 19:32:05 I bet we've got the same kind of issue than the game developpers Oct 30 19:32:19 we're always develloping and never using the devices Oct 30 19:32:52 oh so true Oct 30 19:33:00 and it's really the wrong way Oct 30 19:33:08 we don't see the problems in daily use Oct 30 19:33:14 indeed Oct 30 19:33:21 that's why sometime I go out with a device Oct 30 19:33:26 then again, unless a critical mass works, it just sucks using our devices ;) Oct 30 19:33:30 just for trying it Oct 30 19:33:48 n900 looks very promizing tough Oct 30 19:33:54 but I fear the non-free parts Oct 30 19:34:02 we could have issues with: Oct 30 19:34:04 *battery Oct 30 19:34:07 *sound quality Oct 30 19:35:53 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/preview/non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ Oct 30 19:36:07 has some pulseaudio algorithms Oct 30 19:37:33 mickeyl: use an extension cable? Oct 30 19:37:59 gnutoo: that looks ugly indeed Oct 30 19:38:05 mrmoku: hmm... in theory, yeah Oct 30 19:38:09 we might have to try Oct 30 19:38:16 I already had issues with battery Oct 30 19:38:30 like charging script jumping from 29% to 100% Oct 30 19:38:36 or something like that Oct 30 19:38:56 it's time to get the bq27x00 kernel module right Oct 30 19:38:57 if sound quality is ok Oct 30 19:39:04 we should be ok Oct 30 19:39:11 mostly Oct 30 19:39:21 mrmoku, so you plan to work on battery? Oct 30 19:39:32 I had that plan, yes Oct 30 19:39:35 mickeyl, told that it should be done in fsodeviced Oct 30 19:39:38 just the last weeks I lack time Oct 30 19:39:43 ok Oct 30 19:39:44 nice Oct 30 19:39:50 one part is fsodeviced Oct 30 19:39:58 which should trigger charging Oct 30 19:40:12 but gathering info about battery state would be the kernel modules job I think Oct 30 19:40:27 ah ok Oct 30 19:41:04 I already took a deeper look at bq27x00 in current kernel and the om one Oct 30 19:41:14 but my kernel foo is zero Oct 30 19:41:20 ok Oct 30 19:41:24 will take me some time to dig into :/ Oct 30 19:41:28 ah ok Oct 30 19:42:13 maybe I could try but as I'm tired and lack time and want to prevent too much frustration(in order not to quit) better not counting on me too much Oct 30 19:42:22 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) Oct 30 19:42:40 if I do it it's ok but if I don't someone else should do it Oct 30 19:42:40 apt: welcome ;) Oct 30 19:42:41 Howdy, ;)! Oct 30 19:43:07 apt, get install Oct 30 19:43:07 gnutoo: I would really like to invest the time into it Oct 30 19:43:14 ok Oct 30 19:43:16 just can't promise when Oct 30 19:43:19 ok Oct 30 19:43:23 that's the same for me Oct 30 19:43:29 I can't promise anything Oct 30 19:43:45 and first /etc/fstab Oct 30 19:44:00 Weiss: Hi, do you have a sec? Oct 30 19:44:03 another thing I want to play with is kexec Oct 30 19:44:08 ok Oct 30 19:44:23 I don't plan to work on kexec Oct 30 19:44:26 we should make it possible to dualboot easily Oct 30 19:44:34 yes but I don't plan to work on that Oct 30 19:44:48 I don't dual-boot...lol Oct 30 19:44:49 it lowers the entry barrier a log when you can do that Oct 30 19:44:53 indeed Oct 30 19:45:02 gnutoo: I know... dos1 is already looking at it too Oct 30 19:45:05 s/log/lot Oct 30 19:45:06 ok Oct 30 19:45:11 and probably JaMa is interested too Oct 30 19:45:15 oh yes... lot :) Oct 30 19:46:15 btw new kexec-tools were released, maybe we should try it with those Oct 30 19:46:22 nice Oct 30 19:46:23 ok Oct 30 19:46:36 JaMa, did you succeed in booting meego? Oct 30 19:46:39 how is it? Oct 30 19:46:50 * JaMa spent whole day hunting crashing Xorg bug and it's really in kernel drm driver :/ Oct 30 19:47:06 ok Oct 30 19:47:18 gnutoo: sure I did (with 1.2 snapshot as well as with 1.1 release) but it's really slow Oct 30 19:47:25 lol Oct 30 19:47:41 maybe they need the linaro gcc patches? Oct 30 19:47:54 how do you do that Oct 30 19:47:59 I've 1.1 release on microsd Oct 30 19:48:02 I flashed kernel Oct 30 19:48:07 I got a tux logo Oct 30 19:48:13 but no messages at all Oct 30 19:48:15 I don't think it would make it that much faster :/ Oct 30 19:48:43 I provided kernel by flasher.. Oct 30 19:48:54 ok Oct 30 19:48:57 kernel booted Oct 30 19:49:05 I don't have/want flasher btw Oct 30 19:49:05 and actually I just replaced mmcblk1p1 partition with dd Oct 30 19:49:10 ah p1 Oct 30 19:49:24 didn't flash whole raw image because my 2nd partition has shr Oct 30 19:49:36 ok Oct 30 19:54:05 JaMa: sure, what's up? Oct 30 19:57:39 Weiss: we have few reports from crashing Xorg (ie by orrery/dictator) Oct 30 19:58:24 Weiss: I'm pretty sure it's caused by the cmdq error you said was introduced first in gdrm-for-merging branch Oct 30 19:58:42 Weiss: which I later used for 2.6.34 so it's still there Oct 30 19:59:14 Weiss: now I'm looking to it, do you have some tips how to debug it? Oct 30 19:59:38 Weiss: ie, did you build it as module for shorter retry, then reboot? Oct 30 20:01:36 ok we have no CFG80211_DEFAULT_PS in the 2.6.28 kernel Oct 30 20:01:45 enable powersave by default (CFG80211_DEFAULT_PS) Oct 30 20:01:54 so we must enable it in fso Oct 30 20:02:01 using iwconfig wlan0 power on Oct 30 20:02:07 or iwconfig wlan0 power off Oct 30 20:02:11 mrmoku, could you build efm-nav_svn.bb efm-pathbar_svn.bb efm-path_svn.bb in buildhost for gta02 please? I'm going to try them :) Oct 30 20:02:34 mickeyl, should I go quick and dirty and activate it by defult in fso for n900? Oct 30 20:02:48 pespin: buildhost is busy building new images so it will take a while Oct 30 20:02:57 JaMa, oh ok :) Oct 30 20:03:15 because I don't remember if we discussed it with htcdream's gps Oct 30 20:03:26