**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 08 02:59:57 2010
Nov 08 08:06:31 <daniele_athome> morning
Nov 08 08:07:44 <Arigead> mornin'
Nov 08 08:08:59 <JaMa> moin
Nov 08 08:14:45 <Arigead> Sure while you're here I'll ask a question. I'm looking through opimd code and just getting my head around it. Wondering to myself is there a need for opimd to be a actively running process? I was sort of thinking that it could perhaps be a library. I know DBus is a more plugable interface but as a complete novice I would have thought that DBus was good for things that you want to chop and change. opimd ain't something that will change
Nov 08 08:14:45 <Arigead> . It's core functionality. What's build upon it would use DBus for sure. Just thinking out loud ;-)
Nov 08 08:15:34 <PaulFertser> Arigead: opimd sends out notifications when something's changed.
Nov 08 08:16:00 <PaulFertser> Arigead: you can have a query open and get notified whenever some contents belonging to the query changes.
Nov 08 08:16:21 <Arigead> PaulFertser: Brilliant answer that put that trian of thought to bed
Nov 08 08:34:48 <daniele_athome> Arigead, there is another problem: sqlite lock
Nov 08 08:37:38 <Arigead> daniele_athome: me and DataBases have never formally been introduced. I've never done much work with them, but I'll take your word for "splite lock" and look into it. 
Nov 08 08:38:14 <daniele_athome> Arigead, SQLite lock
Nov 08 08:38:20 <daniele_athome> not splite :)
Nov 08 08:38:31 <daniele_athome> actually, SQLite write lock
Nov 08 08:38:49 <daniele_athome> that's the main issue... using a lightweight database server would be an alternative
Nov 08 08:38:52 <daniele_athome> such as couchdb
Nov 08 08:38:56 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, what do you think?
Nov 08 08:39:01 <Arigead> daniele_athome: Sorry too early and my fingers are still not fully awake.
Nov 08 08:39:09 <daniele_athome> ;)
Nov 08 08:46:41 <KaZeR> hi there
Nov 08 08:47:49 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: i think that sqlite lock just works, and that's not a problem. :)
Nov 08 08:48:10 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, i mean that in sqlite two processes writing to the same db is not possible
Nov 08 08:48:19 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: are you sure?
Nov 08 08:48:24 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, yeah pretty sure
Nov 08 08:48:33 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, sec. i'll retrieve the url for you
Nov 08 08:48:46 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser: http://www.sqlite.org/lockingv3.html
Nov 08 08:49:08 <daniele_athome> see par. 5.0
Nov 08 08:49:54 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: i read http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html and it seems like using it concurrently from multiple processes is ok.
Nov 08 08:50:21 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, in reading, yes
Nov 08 08:50:23 <daniele_athome> "Multiple processes can be doing a SELECT at the same time. But only one process can be making changes to the database at any moment in time, however."
Nov 08 08:51:21 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: isn't that ok? The process that wants to modify just acquires proper locks and does his job, then releases the locks.
Nov 08 08:51:50 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, well that would be done by the client application
Nov 08 08:54:36 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: yes, but that sounds "ok".
Nov 08 08:55:52 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Nov 08 08:56:12 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, i think that's a job for a dbms
Nov 08 09:01:44 <morphis> YEAH !!!! I HAVE WLAN ON THE PALM PRE WITH A FOSS DRIVER!!!!
Nov 08 09:03:11 <Heinervdm> morphis: great :)
Nov 08 09:03:12 <Arigead> PaulFertser: Your first answer stated that opimd sends out notifications when something has changed. Could that not still be done in library code? I'm just thinking that as opimd functionality it might be faster as a library. It's not rocket science to have a lock on any DataBase write so ocasionally a process will be locked waiting for a DB write to finish.
Nov 08 09:03:22 <morphis> Heinervdm: jepp
Nov 08 09:03:27 <morphis> 2 days work ...
Nov 08 09:04:43 <PaulFertser> Arigead: i do not see how to do this easily in a library code, it doesn't look like it's easy to get notified by sqlite if your file is changing.
Nov 08 09:06:18 <Arigead> PaulFertser: If there is one library funciton to write to the Contacts table which locks the database then that library function can surely send out the notification to state that the Contacts table is being changed?
Nov 08 09:07:15 <Arigead> PaulFertser: There could be multiple read or search library functions on that table they won't change the DB
Nov 08 09:08:36 <PaulFertser> Arigead: hm, probably, i'm not sure about sending same dbus notification signals from different processes, probably that's ok. But it'll be a bit more limiting than the current scheme where you can have notifications per-query and not per-domain.
Nov 08 09:09:36 <Lopi> hello ;o
Nov 08 09:09:50 <Lopi> any shr devs around?
Nov 08 09:10:17 <Arigead> PaulFertser: Fair point. It is more limiting but is there a significant speed andvantage. 
Nov 08 09:11:30 <PaulFertser> Arigead: you know lately all my cellphone problems are due to fsogsmd and it's interaction with fsousaged and fsodeviced.
Nov 08 09:12:01 <PaulFertser> Arigead: i'm fucking tired of checking my phone is "online" again and again, and restarting fsogsmd && fsousaged && my ui several times a day.
Nov 08 09:12:19 <PaulFertser> Arigead: opimd works ok for me.
Nov 08 09:13:28 <Arigead> PaulFertser: I agree with that but there was always talk about it being re-written in Vala and I was sort of half thinking about it. Just went wondering into the code to have a look see and think.
Nov 08 09:14:03 <Lopi> JaMa, ping
Nov 08 09:14:05 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, yeah that happens to me too, i workarounded all the problems by avoiding suspend
Nov 08 09:14:13 <daniele_athome> but this take more battery power :(
Nov 08 09:14:29 <daniele_athome> Arigead, the library thing was something i thought for a time period
Nov 08 09:14:34 <PaulFertser> Arigead: i understand. Just wanted to highlight i have too many real problems to think about.
Nov 08 09:14:54 <daniele_athome> but there is still the notification issue
Nov 08 09:15:01 <daniele_athome> that should be managed by a central entity
Nov 08 09:15:13 <daniele_athome> Arigead, PaulFertser: we could leave e.g. the notification logic inside opimd
Nov 08 09:15:19 <daniele_athome> and let other apps just read from sqlite
Nov 08 09:15:26 <daniele_athome> with the proper locking code and so on
Nov 08 09:15:34 <daniele_athome> what do you think?
Nov 08 09:15:46 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: yes, suspend is the key here. But once at least one command times out (and that is most likely to happen during suspend/resume) the fsogsmd is disfunctional (and nobody knows it), then fsousaged is stuck in SUSPENDING/RESUMING state, then i restart both but fsodeviced is not reregistering its resources etc etc.
Nov 08 09:15:47 <daniele_athome> it will be *waaaay* faster
Nov 08 09:16:02 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, i see :(
Nov 08 09:16:03 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: for me contacts and messages work damn fast already.
Nov 08 09:16:28 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: i just read 100 most recent of them and cache locally in the app.
Nov 08 09:17:29 <Arigead> I might still look around in there but as you say there are other problems of a higher priority. I was only fishing for ideas. Thanks for your ideas
Nov 08 09:18:03 <PaulFertser> Arigead: i'm sorry to sound somewhat demotivational...
Nov 08 09:18:20 <PaulFertser> Arigead: but i'd really like to see core functionality working more stable first.
Nov 08 09:18:24 <Arigead> PaulFertser: not at all. 
Nov 08 09:18:32 <PaulFertser> As i'm actually using this device as my only phone.
Nov 08 09:19:15 <Arigead> PaulFertser: I'm on the wrong end of a learning curve and don't want to get into core functionality. Well I might now go and have a look at the code and contemplate that.
Nov 08 09:19:58 <Arigead> PaulFertser: I straddle an international border so two phone accounts one of which is the OM
Nov 08 09:22:26 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, reading directly from db will purge caches completely
Nov 08 09:22:55 <daniele_athome> Arigead, we could get into this together if you want
Nov 08 09:23:13 <daniele_athome> ie creating a notification-only opimd in e.g. vala or C
Nov 08 09:23:30 <daniele_athome> and a library for PIM domains in sqlite
Nov 08 09:24:02 <daniele_athome> Arigead, btw i don't remember if you are a developer
Nov 08 09:25:53 <Arigead> daniele_athome: I am and I'm not. I've never contributed to OpenMoko at all. Have always had the best of good intentions but never found the time. I'm now a bit more free so trying to do something constructive
Nov 08 09:26:13 <daniele_athome> Arigead, which languages do you know?
Nov 08 09:26:20 <daniele_athome> s/know/know well/
Nov 08 09:26:22 <apt> daniele_athome meant: Arigead, which languages do you know well?
Nov 08 09:28:39 <Arigead> daniele_athome: I could only answer C to that. I've been working in Java for the last few years but don't consider that I know it and to be honest I've no realy interest in learning it. Java == Cobol2 as far as I'm concerned. I've used python a little but I'd like to use it or learn Vala 
Nov 08 09:28:58 <daniele_athome> Arigead, C is good :)
Nov 08 09:29:26 <daniele_athome> and if you prefer C over vala, you could use vala for borying stuff e.g. dbus servers
Nov 08 09:29:33 <daniele_athome> and code the rest in C
Nov 08 09:29:41 <daniele_athome> or - learn vala and write everything in vala
Nov 08 09:30:00 <daniele_athome> anyway Arigead i really could be interested in this, do you?
Nov 08 09:33:14 <Arigead> Daniele_athome: Yeh I'm interested in it. It's a simple enough exercise. It's not critical to functionality at all as opimd is already there and working. The idea of changing to libraries was just a speed thought. I mean to be backward compatible with current apps there'd still have to be a DBus interface as specified by FSO but there's nothing stopping there being two interfaces to the functionality
Nov 08 09:33:47 <daniele_athome> Arigead, well, reading/writing dbus methods will be dropped with this change
Nov 08 09:33:55 <daniele_athome> i mean if people decide to switch to this new way
Nov 08 09:34:08 <daniele_athome> only notifications signals/methods will remain
Nov 08 09:34:57 <daniele_athome> Arigead, or - we could redesign the PIM dbus interfaces just for this use
Nov 08 09:34:58 <Arigead> daniele_athome: That means a rewrite of libphone-ui-shr
Nov 08 09:35:46 <daniele_athome> Arigead, not a complete rewrite, but yes, much of it :)
Nov 08 09:36:11 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, hey :)
Nov 08 09:36:32 <daniele_athome> mickeyl, i know you're too busy, just reminding you those borying dbus specs things :)
Nov 08 09:36:40 <Arigead> Daniele_athome: Hmmm the DBus interface was specifed by FSO so I'm not sure about totally removing it. I do feel that libs make some sense though
Nov 08 09:37:03 <daniele_athome> Arigead, not removing, maybe making something new
Nov 08 09:37:10 <daniele_athome> we should think about that seriously
Nov 08 09:37:14 <daniele_athome> and maybe posting something to ML
Nov 08 09:37:15 <daniele_athome> to discuss
Nov 08 09:37:28 <Arigead> Yeh there could easily be two interfaces to the DB
Nov 08 09:37:34 <daniele_athome> hoping that will not end off-topic like always does...
Nov 08 09:41:27 <JaMa> Lopi: pong
Nov 08 09:42:58 <Arigead> daniele_athom: I should say that one of the reasons for this train of thought is that at present the apps currently seem to more or less read the DB on startup and cache it. I think that's maybe a waste of memory and repetition of information. If the lib method was fast enough then there would be no need for this caching. I mean the contacts app would read the names of contacts but nothing else. It displays those names and if the user 
Nov 08 09:42:58 <Arigead> wants to phone somebody then the app asks, via the lib call, for the phone numbers for that contact. If it was quick no caching. Well that's what I was thinking.
Nov 08 09:44:40 <daniele_athome> Arigead, the problem could remain in fact inside gui
Nov 08 09:44:42 <Lopi> JaMa, I work on a project called the iX Project. It's GNU/Linux distributions on the iphone. I stumbled upon the shr project earlier and decided to give it a try.
Nov 08 09:45:08 <daniele_athome> e.g. elm_genlist if loaded with hundrends of items it's very slow
Nov 08 09:45:32 <daniele_athome> it takes ~3secs to load ~100 entries of call log
Nov 08 09:45:36 <daniele_athome> even from db directly
Nov 08 09:45:39 <Lopi> JaMa, Here's proof of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAn5b1fiCog
Nov 08 09:46:22 <daniele_athome> we could do as opimd-messages does... load only the first bunch of entries
Nov 08 09:46:36 <daniele_athome> and then as the user scrolls we could load the rest
Nov 08 09:47:00 <Lopi> JaMa, I was wondering if you guys would be open to me working on a release for the iphone
Nov 08 09:48:53 <daniele_athome> Lopi, my god is fast!
Nov 08 09:49:06 <Arigead> daniele_athome: Yeh I agree with that. It's just that apps should only  cache the bare essential info. DB should hold the rest if required. If there are 100's of contacts it'll still be slow to elm_genlist. Maybe this cache of info ain't a problem as the phone has Memory to burn but I don't think it's ideal.
Nov 08 09:49:07 * daniele_athome looks at his freerunner with tears :(
Nov 08 09:49:12 <Lopi> haha
Nov 08 09:49:25 <Lopi> daniele_athome, yeah it's surprisingly snappy
Nov 08 09:50:55 <daniele_athome> Arigead, i could write also a genlist wrapper for pim purposes ;)
Nov 08 09:51:43 <JaMa> Lopi: better support for iphone in OE as well as in SHR would be great, so sure you're welcome to contribute
Nov 08 09:53:25 <Lopi> JaMa, sounds great I'll start tomorrow :)
Nov 08 09:54:10 <daniele_athome> lol
Nov 08 09:54:27 <Lopi> 3:48 a.m. right now heh
Nov 08 09:56:25 <JaMa> Lopi: before getting R/W access to OE, you have to submit few patches, best way would be through openembedded-devel ML (as we don't have iphone hw for testing), for patches to shr repos you should use shr-devel ML
Nov 08 09:56:48 * JaMa has to check that youtube from home, our corporate fw doesn't like youtube :)
Nov 08 09:57:46 <daniele_athome> JaMa, bypass it :P
Nov 08 09:57:53 <daniele_athome> you could do that for sure
Nov 08 09:58:32 <JaMa> sure.. but now I'm really busy with daywork
Nov 08 09:59:09 <Lopi> JaMa, Okay I'll look into it. Thanks for the information.
Nov 08 09:59:14 <JaMa> boss wants me here at night and on weekends.. so I should try to finish it asap
Nov 08 10:00:00 <Heinervdm> Lopi: for the modem part you can talk to mickeyl, i think the iphone is plain AT so it shouldn't be that hard
Nov 08 10:00:12 <daniele_athome> JaMa, at night?
Nov 08 10:00:14 <daniele_athome> :S
Nov 08 10:24:09 <daniele_athome> Arigead, thinking about all of that, i will not have any useful time until jan-feb 2011, so we'll talk later
Nov 08 10:24:16 <daniele_athome> but i prefer to do the library if you don't have any objection
Nov 08 10:24:41 <daniele_athome> Arigead, we could start with planning an alternative interface (if any will be) and you could begin to write the vala daemon
Nov 08 10:24:46 <daniele_athome> what do you think?
Nov 08 10:30:07 <pespin> Lopi, I'm reading the project's blog http://blog.ixproject.org/ and it says ie17 isn't a good option for you. why?
Nov 08 10:31:00 <daniele_athome> Lopi, have you already seen mokosuite2?
Nov 08 10:31:35 <daniele_athome> it's an android-like desktop environment and phone stack gui using EFL (but not e17/illume itself, just its very powerful libraries)
Nov 08 10:33:55 <Lopi> pespin, It wasn't a good option on Ubuntu.
Nov 08 10:34:04 <Lopi> daniele_athome, nope haven't seen it
Nov 08 10:34:25 <daniele_athome> Lopi, http://gitorious.org/mokosuite2/pages/Home
Nov 08 10:34:39 <daniele_athome> Lopi, for more screenshots (but outdated info): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokosuite
Nov 08 10:34:50 <daniele_athome> it's a very big project
Nov 08 10:35:31 <Lopi> looks a lot like android
Nov 08 10:36:48 <Arigead> daniele_athome: Sorry was away for a cuppa. Yes I'll look into that and see what I come up with.
Nov 08 10:37:11 <daniele_athome> Lopi, as i said, "android-like" ;)
Nov 08 10:38:27 <Lopi> daniele_athome, I'm trying to stay away from that since my project stems from the iDroid project
Nov 08 10:38:54 <daniele_athome> mm
Nov 08 10:38:57 <daniele_athome> Lopi, what do you mean?
Nov 08 10:39:12 <Lopi> daniele_athome, I mean we already have android on the iphone
Nov 08 10:39:13 <daniele_athome> is this wrong?
Nov 08 10:39:18 <daniele_athome> Lopi, ehm...
Nov 08 10:39:31 <daniele_athome> mokosuite2 is not android for SHR
Nov 08 10:39:41 <daniele_athome> it's just an UI inspired by android
Nov 08 10:39:45 <Lopi> yeah
Nov 08 10:39:51 <Lopi> www.idroidproject.org
Nov 08 10:39:53 <daniele_athome> completely themable, so could be a total different thing if you wish
Nov 08 10:39:58 <Lopi> ah
Nov 08 10:40:00 <Lopi> gotcha
Nov 08 10:40:07 <Lopi> I'll have to check it out tomorrow
Nov 08 10:52:22 <KaZeR> mmm. libgpsd19 is gone from the repository?
Nov 08 12:51:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi,
Nov 08 12:51:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1)| error: Package `fsodevice-2.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories
Nov 08 12:52:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2) does vala-terminal still segfaults when pressing the new-tab button?
Nov 08 12:54:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> if it still does I should try to debug it
Nov 08 12:54:45 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: it did?
Nov 08 12:55:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, hi
Nov 08 12:55:09 <mrmoku> hi
Nov 08 12:55:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> for me it did on all my devices
Nov 08 12:55:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> with self-compiled images,official shr images
Nov 08 12:55:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> so rougly very broad coverage
Nov 08 12:55:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/,/ and /
Nov 08 12:55:56 * mrmoku boots FR to check
Nov 08 12:57:47 <mrmoku> ohh...
Nov 08 12:57:52 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: indeed... right you are :-(
Nov 08 12:58:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> that limits to 1 terminal
Nov 08 12:58:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> which is quite problematic
Nov 08 12:58:20 <mrmoku> unfunny :/
Nov 08 12:58:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> on freerunner 1 terminal is finr
Nov 08 12:58:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> *fine
Nov 08 12:58:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> but not on nokia900
Nov 08 12:58:53 <mrmoku> on n900 less
Nov 08 12:59:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> because on nokia900 you do the following with the terminal:
Nov 08 12:59:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> *battery charging
Nov 08 12:59:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> *alsamixer
Nov 08 13:00:00 * mrmoku installs gdb to see if that shows something
Nov 08 13:01:33 * GNUtoo|laptop will have time to look at it in the afternoon/night
Nov 08 13:01:51 * mrmoku has neither now nor later time... in theory :P
Nov 08 13:02:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol ok
Nov 08 13:03:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> I hope vala-terminal is light enough for gdb
Nov 08 13:03:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> else you would need gdb+gdbserver
Nov 08 13:03:29 <mrmoku> heh, installing vala-terminal-dbg right now
Nov 08 13:03:47 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: Wifi is working on palmpre 
Nov 08 13:03:50 <mrmoku> I hope free space is sufficient for eglibc-dbg... IIRC that one is biiiiiiiiig
Nov 08 13:04:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, WOW!!!!!!!!
Nov 08 13:04:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, what was it?
Nov 08 13:04:17 <morphis> I got the interface + could do a successful scan
Nov 08 13:04:18 * GNUtoo|laptop fire up jabber
Nov 08 13:04:21 <morphis> hehe
Nov 08 13:04:36 <morphis> some commands I have to send instead of the default ones in libetas 2.6.24
Nov 08 13:04:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 13:04:51 <morphis> see http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/palmpre/sd8xxx
Nov 08 13:04:54 <morphis> last commit
Nov 08 13:08:26 <pespin> lol http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/382dfe00f913e5d20ce318bfcd6406bb.png is the author here in this channel? I'd like to try it
Nov 08 13:32:03 <KaZeR> for people using navit, the build from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ is now built against libgps19
Nov 08 13:32:51 <PaulFertser> KaZeR: Hi :) Small question: is navit on FR suitable for car navigation? Can you say it's on par with commercial solutions by now?
Nov 08 13:33:09 <KaZeR> hi PaulFertser 
Nov 08 13:33:51 <KaZeR> i would say that it greatly depends of your maps. if your country has a good osm coverage, of if you live in western europe and use M&G maps, then yes, definitely
Nov 08 13:34:20 <KaZeR> from your host, you seem to be in russia, right?
Nov 08 13:34:40 <PaulFertser> KaZeR: exactly, and luckily i'm from Moscow where OSM coverage is very nice afaik.
Nov 08 13:35:10 <PaulFertser> KaZeR: btw, big thanks for your involvment.
Nov 08 13:35:13 <KaZeR> then you should be rather happy with navit
Nov 08 13:35:24 <KaZeR> PaulFertser, well, you're welcome. i'm using it for myself, anyway :)
Nov 08 13:35:42 <KaZeR> and the real one to thanks is cp15, who wrote 90% of navit himself
Nov 08 13:36:35 <KaZeR> if you have any issue with navit, especially on FR, feel free to contact me 
Nov 08 13:38:05 <PaulFertser> KaZeR: i might give it a try once i feel more satisfied with my FR, but thanks for the offer :)
Nov 08 13:39:49 <KaZeR> you're welcome :) i tested r3657 this morning on a freshly flashed shr, and it works nicely
Nov 08 13:42:20 <JaMa> KaZeR: have you also tried navit from shr feeds? :)
Nov 08 13:43:03 <KaZeR> JaMa, well, i have. but it's usually lagging a bit behind, even if it's better lately than it was before
Nov 08 13:44:36 <JaMa> if you found any issues with SHR build of navit or would recommend using new version, feel free to contact me :)
Nov 08 13:45:11 <pespin> PaulFertser, (navit) only thing I'm not satisfied with is place finding to set as destination is no working with osm maps from spain
Nov 08 13:45:46 <JaMa> KaZeR: I'm building always newest revision and few SHR users are downloading it from my feed, because I don't use it myself anymore.. but they asked only twice in last year to upgrade it for all SHR users
Nov 08 13:45:51 <pespin> I mean, writing a street name and navit showing it in map
Nov 08 13:47:25 <KaZeR> JaMa, then it's probably not worth having both of us maintaining it. i should have asked earlier before spending some time upgrading the build environnement :)
Nov 08 13:47:48 <KaZeR> pespin, could you describe your issue a bit better?
Nov 08 13:48:56 <pespin> KaZeR, let me open navit and try to explain better :)
Nov 08 13:49:06 <KaZeR> sure :)
Nov 08 13:49:45 <pespin> KaZeR, in Menu->Actions->Town
Nov 08 13:50:22 <pespin> I'm trying it now
Nov 08 13:50:43 <pespin> and I get plenty of american places
Nov 08 13:50:56 <pespin> but I'm using a spain map from OSM
Nov 08 13:51:38 <KaZeR> ok. do you have a flag next to the searchbox?
Nov 08 13:51:39 <pespin> uhm that's not the problem, I can change the country
Nov 08 13:51:54 <pespin> yeah, changing it now, but that's not the "usual" problem hehe
Nov 08 13:51:57 <pespin> let me set spain in it
Nov 08 13:53:40 <pespin> KaZeR, then I get some cities and little towns, but Barcelona isn't in there
Nov 08 13:54:08 <pespin> that's missing OSM info in OSM itself?
Nov 08 13:55:24 <KaZeR> probably a broken is_in tag
Nov 08 13:55:27 <pespin> btw, it seems it's better ow than when I tried last time hehe :P
Nov 08 13:55:44 <KaZeR> it's getting better almost everyday, somehow like shr ;)
Nov 08 13:55:46 <pespin> s/ow/now
Nov 08 13:55:53 <KaZeR> have you read about the is_in tag issue?
Nov 08 13:55:59 <pespin> KaZeR, nop
Nov 08 13:56:17 <pespin> could you point me somewhere to read about it please?
Nov 08 13:57:01 <KaZeR> sure : http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap#Problems_with_OSM_and_navit_or_navigation_in_general
Nov 08 14:00:02 <pespin> KaZeR, uhm but Barcelona shows up like being from Catalonia/Spain/Europe in openstreetmap
Nov 08 14:00:16 <pespin> doesn't that mean that it already has a tag?
Nov 08 14:00:44 <pespin> "Ciutat Barcelona, Catalunya, Espanya, Europe" <- I get this when I look for Barcelona in openstreetmap.org
Nov 08 14:01:50 <pespin> (Ciutat means City in catalan)
Nov 08 14:02:18 <KaZeR> i'm not the osm expert from the team, but if you search for ciutat barcelona?
Nov 08 14:02:25 <KaZeR> (in navit)
Nov 08 14:03:46 <pespin> nop
Nov 08 14:04:18 <pespin> the "ciutat" prefix is shown in osm.org as it detects that it has a city named Barcelona.
Nov 08 14:04:47 <pespin> KaZeR, do you know how to check the is_in tag for a city?
Nov 08 14:05:48 <KaZeR> i'd use josm, merkaartor or the online editor
Nov 08 14:05:54 <KaZeR> the online editor should fit
Nov 08 14:05:56 <KaZeR> let me check
Nov 08 14:12:15 <pespin> KaZeR, found the city point, and it seems it doesn't have the is_in:country tag
Nov 08 14:12:24 <pespin> only europe one
Nov 08 14:12:53 <pespin> is_in:continent=europe
Nov 08 14:13:10 <pespin> I suppouse I have to add is_in:country=spain ?
Nov 08 14:13:37 <pespin> hehe I think I know why it isn't set :P hope someday we'll be independent ;)
Nov 08 14:13:42 <KaZeR> sounds good, indeed. to be sure you should compare with the tag from a working country
Nov 08 14:13:55 <KaZeR> s/country/town
Nov 08 14:17:22 * pespin sees that actually few or no catalan cities are shown in navit :P
Nov 08 14:18:19 <KaZeR> :)
Nov 08 14:18:33 <KaZeR> OSM is a very nice thing, but as anything edited by users, it's really messy
Nov 08 14:21:45 <pespin> KaZeR, "Proponents say that some search-engines are helped by the is_in tag.
Nov 08 14:21:45 <pespin> Opponents state it is completely redundant because "where" the node is can be derived from border-polygons surrounding the location. Another argument is that the values used for the tag are so inconsistent that it is mostly not usable anyway. Many contributors outright delete these tags as they come across them. "
Nov 08 14:23:25 <KaZeR> ... a mess :)
Nov 08 14:23:47 <KaZeR> a street is_in a tag is_in a country
Nov 08 14:24:24 <KaZeR> using polygons matching to see which town a street belongs to i complicated and cpu-intensive, whereas a tag gives you instant answer
Nov 08 14:24:46 <KaZeR> but some poeple from navit are workin on a polygon based solution, iirc
Nov 08 14:25:00 <KaZeR> mainly because it's hard to rely on is_in tag
Nov 08 14:25:45 <JaMa> KaZeR: well, yes.. we also have that big .xml config splitted to multiple files so I hope that SHR users (as well as other OE users) prefer "our" version and it's not problem to upgrade it to newer revision more often
Nov 08 14:26:27 <pespin> KaZeR, uhm it seems is_in tag can be used in 2 ways
Nov 08 14:26:28 <KaZeR> JaMa, yes, i know about the splitted xml :)
Nov 08 14:26:34 <JaMa> KaZeR: and we also have navit-icons as separate package, because it's quite big and doesn't need upgrade so often as main app
Nov 08 14:26:38 <pespin> KaZeR, which one do you handle in navit?
Nov 08 14:26:41 <pespin> both?
Nov 08 14:26:47 <pespin> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in
Nov 08 14:27:23 <KaZeR> JaMa, well personnaly i don't mind (in fact i'd be happy to) using your build, if only we could have daily upgrades
Nov 08 14:27:32 <KaZeR> sounds feasable?
Nov 08 14:27:37 <KaZeR> pespin, which ways?
Nov 08 14:28:27 <pespin> # is_in=capital_cities; Australian Capital Territory; ACT; Australia
Nov 08 14:28:27 <pespin> # is_in:state=Australian Capital Territory
Nov 08 14:28:27 <pespin> # is_in:state_code=ACT
Nov 08 14:28:27 <pespin> # is_in:country=Australia
Nov 08 14:28:43 <pespin> KaZeR, 1st line is 1st way. The other way is splitting it in subcategories
Nov 08 14:28:51 <pespin> which seems more reasonable ;)
Nov 08 14:29:08 <KaZeR> i have to check how it's handlined in maptool
Nov 08 14:29:21 <KaZeR> s/handlinde/handled
Nov 08 14:29:35 <pespin> ok
Nov 08 14:30:03 <JaMa> KaZeR: you mean separate OE builddir and cron task building navit daily with AUTOREV?
Nov 08 14:30:47 <JaMa> KaZeR: I can add it on shr buildhost (but that one is quite slow) or can help you to setup OE environment on build server you're using now
Nov 08 14:33:50 <JaMa> KaZeR: I can even return AUTOREV to shr config, but builds on our buildhost are not in cron so not exactly daily, and sometimes we had failed builds because of some incompatible change or even non-working runtime (which is sad) so we removed AUTOREV and using only known-to-work revisions
Nov 08 14:34:03 <JaMa> for public feed
Nov 08 14:35:37 <KaZeR> JaMa, the thing that i like with our repo is that i can trigger a build myself if i want to test a specific feature on the device, i don't even have a build env on my dev machine for OM (since in fact i don't need it)
Nov 08 14:37:40 <JaMa> then you can trigger me, if you don't find recent enough .ipk on http://jama.dyndns-home.com/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/
Nov 08 14:41:59 <KaZeR> pespin, If is_in:country is present, all other is_in are ignored
Nov 08 14:42:14 <pespin> ok, I'll set that one then
Nov 08 14:42:24 <KaZeR> pespin, careful :)
Nov 08 14:42:33 <KaZeR> what about streets? :)
Nov 08 14:42:54 <KaZeR> JaMa, ok thanks
Nov 08 14:43:53 <pespin> KaZeR, uhm then streets should have is_in:city=Barcelona, right?
Nov 08 15:00:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mrmoku , any progress?
Nov 08 15:19:51 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, could you pass me the recipes you use for building enjoy+lightmediascanner please? :)
Nov 08 15:20:05 <pespin> I might work on adding FSO support for it
Nov 08 15:20:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, look in #oe for pastebin
Nov 08 15:20:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll look too
Nov 08 15:21:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, http://pastebin.com/MiJ15LXV
Nov 08 15:21:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> they are ultra-low quality recipes
Nov 08 15:22:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> also add lightmediascanner and emotion deps to enjoy
Nov 08 15:22:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> also add gst-plugin-foo 
Nov 08 15:22:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> also correct the libs version
Nov 08 15:22:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> also check if emotion is already in oe
Nov 08 15:22:45 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, didn't quite understand the #oe+pastebin line
Nov 08 15:23:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, forget about that line
Nov 08 15:23:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> I re-pasted the pastebin here
Nov 08 15:23:12 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, do you want me to send you the corrected recipes once I have time to do it?
Nov 08 15:23:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I found it
Nov 08 15:23:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> be back in one hour
Nov 08 15:23:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, send them to a mailing list then
Nov 08 15:23:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> if they work
Nov 08 15:23:36 <pespin> ok
Nov 08 15:23:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> just mention that I did the initial ones
Nov 08 15:23:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> and that you corrected them
Nov 08 15:23:45 <pespin> sure :)
Nov 08 15:23:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> or something in theses lines
Nov 08 15:23:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> be back laste
Nov 08 15:24:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> *later
Nov 08 15:24:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> *I'll be back later
Nov 08 16:08:56 <KaZeR> pespin_, i was wrong. after checking, is_in isn't used for streets
Nov 08 16:09:17 <KaZeR> soltys, regarding navit, a town should have a is_in:country= tag
Nov 08 16:09:28 <KaZeR> this one is the recommended one, again, for navit
Nov 08 16:09:39 <KaZeR> s/soltys/so 
Nov 08 16:09:45 <KaZeR> sorry for the highlight :)
Nov 08 16:20:20 <pespin_> KaZeR, then streets are mapped to the city by proximity to the city tag coord?
Nov 08 16:21:40 <KaZeR> the technical term is 'geusstimate' :)
Nov 08 16:21:46 <KaZeR> i meant guesstimate
Nov 08 16:21:49 <KaZeR> :)
Nov 08 16:25:47 <pespin_> KaZeR, haha good term :P But is the procedure I said the one used in "guesstimate"?
Nov 08 16:29:01 <KaZeR> yep :)
Nov 08 16:29:17 <KaZeR> it is assumed that the sreet belongs to the closest city
Nov 08 16:29:34 <KaZeR> but it is a temporary solution, another one, much more accurate, will be used soon
Nov 08 16:30:07 <KaZeR> damn, wrong again. that is for country->towns
Nov 08 16:30:23 <pespin_> xD
Nov 08 16:30:41 <pespin_> if it was for country->towns, Barcelona would show in Spain
Nov 08 16:30:48 <pespin_> and it isn't showin ;)
Nov 08 16:32:34 <KaZeR> soon :)
Nov 08 16:34:27 <pespin_> KaZeR, I've added the is_in:country tag
Nov 08 16:36:02 <KaZeR> ok. now your best bet to see if it acutally worked is to download the datas, as xml, from OSM
Nov 08 16:36:07 <KaZeR> and process them via maptool
Nov 08 16:36:23 <KaZeR> otherwise, wait for thursday morining, and use our planet extractor
Nov 08 16:37:46 <pespin_> KaZeR, I'll wait better hehe
Nov 08 16:38:34 <pespin_> KaZeR, I don't use a planet extractor, just a predefined one from navit wiki called spain.navit.bin or something similar
Nov 08 16:39:03 <pespin_> KaZeR, and another weird thing... If I'm using maps from spain... why the hell do I have towns/cities from ie. America?
Nov 08 16:39:14 <pespin_> shouldn't this be polished?
Nov 08 16:40:32 <KaZeR> the city light might be worldwide
Nov 08 16:41:17 <KaZeR> in fact, a map excerpt is only the planet map, with the undesired tiles zeroed. a map itself is only a zip of zipped xml
Nov 08 16:41:54 <KaZeR> so if you don't want germany, the tiles from germany will be zeroed, but their entries are kept, otherwise it's less efficient to extract (you have to rewrite the archive EOC)
Nov 08 16:42:07 <KaZeR> i have to go now, but if you have more questions, feel free to join #navit
Nov 08 16:42:08 <KaZeR> bbl
Nov 08 16:48:22 <pespin_> KaZeR, ok, thanks, have a good day :)
Nov 08 17:01:41 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: progress ended in:
Nov 08 17:01:42 <mrmoku> * opkg_install_pkg: Failed to extract data files for eglibc-dbg. Package debris may remain! * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package vala-terminal-dbg. * opkg_conf_write_status_files: Couldn't close //usr/lib/opkg/status: No space left on device.
Nov 08 17:01:52 <mrmoku> and then I had to go :/
Nov 08 17:02:52 <mrmoku> and now I have to go again... dinner time :)
Nov 08 17:02:53 <mrmoku> bbl
Nov 08 17:05:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, ok I'll try then
Nov 08 17:32:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> sigh
Nov 08 17:32:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> fsodeviced still doesn't compile
Nov 08 17:33:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> vala-terminal can't be debugged
Nov 08 17:33:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Nov 08 17:34:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
Nov 08 17:35:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> trying gdbserver
Nov 08 17:38:38 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, compiling enjoy with bitbake :)
Nov 08 17:38:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 17:39:41 <gena2x> pespin: posted simple patch i promised yesterday
Nov 08 17:40:05 <pespin> gena2x, thanks :)
Nov 08 17:40:07 <pespin> JaMa|Off, ^
Nov 08 17:41:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> sigh
Nov 08 17:41:40 <gena2x> radekp: please add this too. and upgrade jitterless patch to latest version if you have time please.
Nov 08 17:41:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastebin.com/8vFH82L8
Nov 08 17:42:32 * GNUtoo|laptop reinstalls vala-terminal-dbg
Nov 08 17:44:34 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, uhm I have something weird related to vaala-terminal packages:
Nov 08 17:44:34 <pespin> vala-terminal-dbg - 1:1.1.1+gitr29+5a998183d7587e93d820f46a9c1e45c62821653e-r1.6 - A lightweight Terminal Emulator based on libvte, written in Vala.
Nov 08 17:44:35 <pespin> vala-terminal-dbg - 1:1.1.1+gitr0+5a998183d7587e93d820f46a9c1e45c62821653e-r1.6 - A lightweight Terminal Emulator based on libvte, written in Vala.
Nov 08 17:44:43 <pespin> be sure you don' have it too
Nov 08 17:44:49 <pespin> maybe one is broken
Nov 08 17:44:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 17:45:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't know what happened
Nov 08 17:45:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> I did that:
Nov 08 17:45:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> opkg install vala-terminal-dbg
Nov 08 17:45:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> it seemed to install a lot of packages
Nov 08 17:45:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahhh
Nov 08 17:45:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> I did -dev
Nov 08 17:45:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> not -dbg
Nov 08 17:45:21 <pespin> hehe
Nov 08 17:45:42 <pespin> opkg list | grep vala-terminal-dbg lists 2 packages in my system
Nov 08 17:54:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastebin.com/jTvPuWUY
Nov 08 17:54:53 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, I would show this bt in #vala in Gimp.net
Nov 08 17:55:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah?
Nov 08 17:55:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> not to mickeyl ?
Nov 08 17:55:33 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, mickeyl is ok too :)
Nov 08 17:55:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mickeyl 
Nov 08 17:55:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've a trace for you
Nov 08 17:55:54 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, but he may not be here, whereas you can have help in #vala :P
Nov 08 17:56:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 17:56:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it's a vala issue?
Nov 08 17:56:53 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, since when does it crash? new vala rev?
Nov 08 17:57:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah right maybe
Nov 08 17:57:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> if vala-terminal code didn't change
Nov 08 17:57:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> ...
Nov 08 17:57:13 <pespin> just look if there's been some change in vala-terminal code :)
Nov 08 17:57:29 <pespin> ah, then it's prbably a vala problem :)
Nov 08 17:57:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> bbvs
Nov 08 17:57:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> can't connect to gimpnet
Nov 08 17:57:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> will fix
Nov 08 18:01:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah gimp.org seem down
Nov 08 18:01:18 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, yeah, can't connect neither
Nov 08 18:01:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok 
Nov 08 18:01:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I'll ping mickeyl 
Nov 08 18:01:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> ping mickeyl 
Nov 08 18:01:52 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, btw, why does the lightmediascanner recipes generates a liblightmediascanner package? 
Nov 08 18:01:58 <pespin> how's its name is changed?
Nov 08 18:02:04 <pespin> I can't find where it's done
Nov 08 18:02:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, it's automatic 
Nov 08 18:02:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's not in the recipe
Nov 08 18:02:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's how libs are handled
Nov 08 18:02:35 <pespin> then in DEPENDS I have to add liblightmediascanner or just lightmediascanner?
Nov 08 18:02:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> I think lightmediascanner
Nov 08 18:02:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> but maybe better talk about that in #oe
Nov 08 18:03:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> as there is a third person interested
Nov 08 18:03:15 <Heinervdm> in DEPENDS you have to write the recipe name
Nov 08 18:03:25 <Heinervdm> in RDEPENDS the package name
Nov 08 18:03:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, btw you got an n900/palm-pre/htcdream/geeksphone/ezx or something like that?
Nov 08 18:03:36 <pespin> I wish I had
Nov 08 18:03:37 <pespin> lol
Nov 08 18:03:45 <pespin> I have an HTC artemis though :P
Nov 08 18:03:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, how fast was it on your device?
Nov 08 18:04:04 <pespin> but not much time to play with it atm
Nov 08 18:04:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I bet it's my >32G music collection that is the problem with a cover with each album
Nov 08 18:04:24 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, I booted SHR but no Xserver and not usb networking
Nov 08 18:04:30 <pespin> in htc artemis
Nov 08 18:04:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Nov 08 18:04:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> do you have specs?
Nov 08 18:04:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> of artemis
Nov 08 18:04:58 <pespin> GNUtoo|laptop, yes, it's armv5te
Nov 08 18:05:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:05:06 <pespin> it's supported by wing-linux project
Nov 08 18:05:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the rest of the specs
Nov 08 18:05:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:05:20 <pespin> which uses Android on top of Angstrom
Nov 08 18:05:25 <pespin> but the kernel is quite old
Nov 08 18:05:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Nov 08 18:05:28 <pespin> GarthPS, let me find them
Nov 08 18:05:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> Audio 	Not working 	No 
Nov 08 18:05:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> WIFI 	Not working 	No 
Nov 08 18:06:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> Battery 	Not working 	No 
Nov 08 18:06:36 <pespin> uhm afaik Audio is working
Nov 08 18:06:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> the rest seem working tough
Nov 08 18:06:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice
Nov 08 18:06:49 <pespin> well, partially afair
Nov 08 18:06:58 <pespin> but no sound in gsm
Nov 08 18:07:11 <pespin> but afair if you boot it from wince while being called, then you can xD
Nov 08 18:07:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Nov 08 18:07:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol
Nov 08 18:07:24 <pespin> http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_p3300-1693.php
Nov 08 18:07:39 <pespin> it's not so great, but only device I have to play+learn :)
Nov 08 18:08:39 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: do you know why compat-wireless needs kernel > 2.6.27 for libertas?
Nov 08 18:09:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, ah ouch.... I didn't remember that....no I don't remember
Nov 08 18:09:27 <morphis> hm
Nov 08 18:09:28 * pespin installing enjoy
Nov 08 18:09:38 <morphis> I disabled the checks in config.mk and it works
Nov 08 18:09:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, nice ok
Nov 08 18:10:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> pespin, what's the soc of your artemis btw?
Nov 08 18:10:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> omap850?
Nov 08 18:10:54 <pespin> yes
Nov 08 18:11:24 <pespin> I build it using htcherald machine + wing-linux kernel recipes
Nov 08 18:11:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:11:50 <pespin> I stopped working on it as I didn't have a kb to debug
Nov 08 18:11:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't know the linux kernel supported such SOC
Nov 08 18:11:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:11:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> bluetooth keyboard?
Nov 08 18:11:59 <pespin> but now I have
Nov 08 18:12:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> as keyboard works
Nov 08 18:12:10 <pespin> no, an adapter for usb hehe
Nov 08 18:12:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/keyboard/bluetooth
Nov 08 18:12:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:12:27 <pespin> wing-linux is linux for omap-850 socs
Nov 08 18:12:28 * GNUtoo|laptop will go to eat
Nov 08 18:12:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:12:39 <pespin> and thing is
Nov 08 18:12:46 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: will ask in #linux-wireless
Nov 08 18:12:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 18:12:58 <pespin> g_ether loaded correctly when using wing-lin ux rootfs, but didn't work with shr rootfs (same kernel)
Nov 08 18:17:02 <morphis> strange thing, if I enable libertas in my kernel config compat-wireless compiles it ...
Nov 08 18:17:08 <morphis> something I don't expected
Nov 08 18:17:19 <morphis> as I thought they deactivate it
Nov 08 18:19:34 <morphis> anyway
Nov 08 19:04:46 <ferluszt> hi
Nov 08 19:05:11 <ferluszt> i have a problem with the current shr-unstable and gsm
Nov 08 19:05:32 <ferluszt> it can't register to network
Nov 08 19:13:27 <[Rui]> ferluszt: how current? I updated yesterday and I can register!
Nov 08 19:13:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> ferluszt, on freerunner?
Nov 08 19:13:42 <ferluszt> yes gta02
Nov 08 19:13:57 <ferluszt> just reflashed
Nov 08 19:14:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 19:14:55 <ferluszt> shr is in nand and the sd-card is removed
Nov 08 19:16:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok 
Nov 08 19:16:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've a similar setup
Nov 08 19:16:08 <sleipnir> does anybody know if it is possible to use the OM debug-board v3 as a usb to 3.3V UART converter?
Nov 08 19:17:10 <ferluszt> on an older shr-testing it has worked
Nov 08 19:22:27 <ferluszt> here is the log of  /var/log/fsogsmd.log  http://pastebin.com/XUVXa6g4
Nov 08 19:34:10 <radekp> JaMa|Off: hi, commited patch from gena2x for ts log message, you might want to cherry-pick it for SHR ... https://github.com/radekp/linux-2.6/commit/1508bbb582d321a271cab6992d745859e9b418e9
Nov 08 19:56:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> ferluszt, it seems that fsogsmd segfaults
Nov 08 20:05:38 <[Rui]> JaMa|Off: EmulateRightButton *has* to be 1, True doesn't work
Nov 08 20:27:14 <Wonka> has anyone got any idea what "Enlightenment cannot configure the mouse settings." means and where it comes from?
Nov 08 20:28:01 <mrmoku> hmm... we had that IIRC
Nov 08 20:28:03 <mrmoku> loooong ago
Nov 08 20:28:33 <mrmoku> don't remember much more though :/
Nov 08 20:30:47 <Lopi> anyone have a G1?
Nov 08 20:36:43 <[Rui]> TAsn: got usb keyboard and mouse!
Nov 08 20:37:50 <[Rui]> question for the experts: previously, touching the touchscreen when blanked would only unblank, now it also passes the mouse event WTH!!!!!
Nov 08 20:43:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, I do
Nov 08 20:43:48 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, how are you emulating right click?
Nov 08 20:44:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, using illume
Nov 08 20:44:12 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, are you using evdev?
Nov 08 20:44:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, you run SHR on the htcdream?
Nov 08 20:44:16 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: using tslib wouldn't work?
Nov 08 20:44:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, yes
Nov 08 20:44:24 <Lopi> nope, but I'm using htc dream images ;p
Nov 08 20:44:31 <Lopi> I'm running SHR on my iphone
Nov 08 20:44:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, ah ok on what device?
Nov 08 20:44:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
Nov 08 20:44:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol
Nov 08 20:44:42 <Lopi> sec let me get a video
Nov 08 20:44:46 <Lopi> so you believe me
Nov 08 20:44:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice!!!
Nov 08 20:44:57 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAn5b1fiCog
Nov 08 20:45:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, please fill that form btw: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison
Nov 08 20:45:39 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, will do
Nov 08 20:45:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, also create a page telling what hardware is in the iphone
Nov 08 20:46:07 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, I can pull all that information from the idroid wiki
Nov 08 20:46:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:46:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> where's that wiki?
Nov 08 20:46:26 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, so how does right click work in illume?
Nov 08 20:46:41 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, www.idroidproject.org and my project is www.ixproject.org
Nov 08 20:46:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, you see a button on the top-bar with L or R
Nov 08 20:46:50 <Lopi> yeah
Nov 08 20:46:52 <Lopi> oh
Nov 08 20:46:54 <Lopi> that's what that does
Nov 08 20:46:56 <Lopi> rofl
Nov 08 20:46:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Nov 08 20:47:03 <Lopi> had no idea
Nov 08 20:47:08 <Lopi> literally just got it running last night
Nov 08 20:48:12 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, btw do you know how it works?
Nov 08 20:48:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, so...do you plan to work on FSO/SHR iphone integration a bit?
Nov 08 20:48:20 <Lopi> yes
Nov 08 20:48:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, the right click?
Nov 08 20:48:26 <Lopi> I spoke with JaMa|Off last night about it
Nov 08 20:48:28 <Lopi> yeah
Nov 08 20:48:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice!!!
Nov 08 20:48:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Nov 08 20:48:34 <Lopi> I'm curious
Nov 08 20:48:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> I only know how it works at kernel level
Nov 08 20:48:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> not how illume does it
Nov 08 20:48:49 <Lopi> ah okay
Nov 08 20:48:55 <Lopi> I'm sure I can find some information about it
Nov 08 20:49:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically It should report a right click I think
Nov 08 20:49:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> as it's the window manager
Nov 08 20:49:23 <[Rui]> why don't you guys just use tslib ? it comes *gratis* with an EmulateRightButton option!
Nov 08 20:49:42 <[Rui]> no extra icon on toolbar!
Nov 08 20:49:44 <Lopi> I have problems getting the touchscreen to work with tslib heh
Nov 08 20:50:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> I had issues with rotations + tslib
Nov 08 20:50:35 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: at least in freerunner that was a problem with glamo (rotation is still borked)
Nov 08 20:51:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> xf86-video-fbdev made xorg segfault when using xf86-input-tslib when in static rotation mode
Nov 08 20:51:26 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: in htc? sucks :(
Nov 08 20:52:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> [Rui], it is a bug in xf86-video-fbdev
Nov 08 20:52:31 <Lopi> hm I don't think the right click button is working properly
Nov 08 20:52:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've tried to fix it with upstream
Nov 08 20:52:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> but #xorg-devel told me to use evdev
Nov 08 20:52:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, ah?
Nov 08 20:53:42 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, yeah I booted to shr and I press the L to change it to R then try clicking on an application or anywhere on the home screen
Nov 08 20:53:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, did you try multitouch?
Nov 08 20:53:49 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, nothing happens
Nov 08 20:53:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:54:04 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, heh no I stumbled upon this project yesterday
Nov 08 20:54:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> because on the nexusone using multitouch creates a right click
Nov 08 20:54:10 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, only played for a few hours
Nov 08 20:54:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:54:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> so nice to have it running
Nov 08 20:54:24 <Lopi> heh yeah exactly
Nov 08 20:54:37 <Lopi> it's a great distribution though
Nov 08 20:54:51 <Lopi> I was about to give up and then I found this :p
Nov 08 20:56:17 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, how is the accelerometer implemented on the G1?
Nov 08 20:56:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> Lopi, uhmmm
Nov 08 20:56:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol
Nov 08 20:57:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> let's say that it doesn't work because no one looked at it
Nov 08 20:57:07 <Lopi> hah
Nov 08 20:57:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough it's easy to make work
Nov 08 20:57:15 <Lopi> hm okay
Nov 08 20:57:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> because the kernel driver is free software
Nov 08 20:57:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically there is too much ioctl
Nov 08 20:57:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> someone must run cyanogen
Nov 08 20:57:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> and do some printk
Nov 08 20:57:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> but on freerunner it's a device node
Nov 08 20:57:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> on n900 it's a sys node
Nov 08 20:57:56 <Lopi> I see
Nov 08 20:57:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/device node/input device
Nov 08 20:58:08 <Lopi> we have kernel level driver with android sensor on the iphone
Nov 08 20:58:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> so look in /dev/ or in /sys
Nov 08 20:58:18 <Lopi> yeah it exists
Nov 08 20:58:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> oh nice
Nov 08 20:58:22 <Lopi> it's jsut a matter of implementing it
Nov 08 20:58:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:58:29 <Lopi> /dev/input/event0
Nov 08 20:58:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> oh nice
Nov 08 20:58:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> so how do you activate and desactivate it?
Nov 08 20:58:51 <[Rui]> any of you know know screen blanking is being done in shr? somehow when it's unblanked now the click passes through
Nov 08 20:59:07 <Lopi> GNUtoo|laptop, I don't know yet ;p
Nov 08 20:59:17 <Lopi> you'll find out pretty quick I'm learning as I go
Nov 08 20:59:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:59:24 <Lopi> the iDroid developers know a lot more than I do
Nov 08 20:59:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 20:59:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> so basically as you booted it
Nov 08 20:59:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> check the sound
Nov 08 20:59:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the routing
Nov 08 20:59:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> with alsamixer
Nov 08 21:00:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> be back soon on my n900
Nov 08 21:00:39 <Lopi> yeah sound doesn't work on linux, but it works in android
Nov 08 21:01:29 <Lopi> I'll be taking a look at lot of things later tonight
Nov 08 21:01:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> last time I looked it was pretty standard
Nov 08 21:01:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 21:01:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Nov 08 21:02:02 <Lopi> I need to take a shower and do my assignment for my class in a couple hours heh
Nov 08 21:02:04 <Lopi> I'll bbl
Nov 08 21:02:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Nov 08 21:02:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> if I'm not there anymore
Nov 08 21:02:17 <Lopi> btw, ty for the info :)
Nov 08 21:02:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> feel free to ping me at anytime when I'm there
Nov 08 21:02:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> like tomorrow
Nov 08 21:02:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> or something like that
Nov 08 21:02:34 <Lopi> awesome, thank you
Nov 08 21:37:02 <ferluszt> GNUtoo|laptop: hi
Nov 08 21:37:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ferluszt, hi
Nov 08 21:37:15 <ferluszt> and what should I do now?
Nov 08 21:37:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ferluszt, bugreport to mickeyl?
Nov 08 21:37:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> open a bug report in the fso trac
Nov 08 21:37:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet that's the thing to do
Nov 08 21:37:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> else if mickeyl is there...
Nov 08 21:38:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> but he's not
Nov 08 21:38:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried to ping him but no result
Nov 08 21:38:13 <ferluszt> there is already an bugreport
Nov 08 21:38:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Nov 08 21:38:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> where?
Nov 08 21:38:23 <ferluszt> mom
Nov 08 21:38:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> (link please)
Nov 08 21:38:47 <ferluszt> http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1142
Nov 08 21:50:59 <mrmoku> ferluszt: do you have deep sleep enabled?
Nov 08 21:51:28 <ferluszt> first not
Nov 08 21:51:45 <mrmoku> that bug is old and should be solved...
Nov 08 21:52:38 <ferluszt> should i leave it enabled or disabled?
Nov 08 21:52:59 <mrmoku> depends if you have the deep sleep fix
Nov 08 21:53:06 <mrmoku> keeping it disabled is the safer thing
Nov 08 21:53:37 <ferluszt> i have done it
Nov 08 21:56:23 <mrmoku> ferluszt: did it start to not work with an upgrade? or without upgrade? and what version of fsogsmd do you have installed?
Nov 08 21:57:06 <ferluszt> http://pastebin.com/qVVibpfL here is a log with debug enabled
Nov 08 21:58:09 <ferluszt> i have flashed at 7 o'clock the newest shr-unstable
Nov 08 21:59:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ferluszt, include your logs there
Nov 08 21:59:38 <ferluszt> where?
Nov 08 22:00:49 <mrmoku> hmm
Nov 08 22:00:55 <mrmoku> not that old ticket please
Nov 08 22:01:04 <mrmoku> I don't think it's related
Nov 08 22:01:13 <mrmoku> it looks like it segfaults while parsing the messages on SIM
Nov 08 22:01:31 <mrmoku> please open a ticket with that log attache on trac.freesmartphone.org
Nov 08 22:01:33 <mrmoku> +d
Nov 08 22:02:34 <ferluszt> i can try to delete the messages on an other phone
Nov 08 22:02:54 <mrmoku> that too
Nov 08 22:06:09 <mrmoku> JaMa|Off: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1227 can be closed?
Nov 08 22:17:17 <ferluszt> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/591 is this ok?
Nov 08 22:17:46 <JaMa|Off> yes, but I'll paste my last e-mail reply there first
Nov 08 22:18:54 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 08 22:19:13 <JaMa|Off> done
Nov 08 22:19:31 <mrmoku> thanks
Nov 08 22:19:34 <mrmoku> ferluszt: yeah, ok
Nov 08 22:20:11 <ferluszt> and now i check the messages on an other phone
Nov 08 22:20:47 <ferluszt> siemens a55;)
Nov 08 22:21:00 <JaMa|Off> [Rui]: ah :/
Nov 08 22:21:07 <mrmoku> ferluszt: I just installed the latest shr-u on my gta02
Nov 08 22:21:15 <mrmoku> registers just fine
Nov 08 22:21:29 <mrmoku> guess fsogsmd dislikes your messages ;)
Nov 08 22:23:36 <ferluszt> can fsogsmd handle long sms?
Nov 08 22:23:48 <mrmoku> you mean multi part? yes
Nov 08 22:25:45 <ferluszt> how can i restart fsogsmd
Nov 08 22:26:35 <mrmoku> ferluszt: just kill it... it restarts automatically then
Nov 08 22:33:47 <Wonka> mrmoku: about that "Enlightenment cannot configure the mouse settings." - I get that currently with a fully upgraded shr-u.
Nov 08 22:34:40 <JaMa> do you have default xorg.conf?
Nov 08 22:34:58 <JaMa> this is usually sign that your xorg doesn't see ts
Nov 08 22:35:55 <Wonka> default xorg.conf, yes
Nov 08 22:36:27 <Wonka> hmm. would make sense, am running Xorg in a chroot from a waywayold shr
Nov 08 22:36:53 <Wonka> so I have to debug this other problem first, why I cannot connect via ssh -.-
Nov 08 22:36:59 <[Rui]> JaMa: yeah... I spotted that one out instantly when I compared the new file with mine, as I previously looked into the input-tslib driver
Nov 08 22:37:24 <[Rui]> I thought of making a patch turning that into the number of seconds one wants for emulation :)
Nov 08 22:37:33 <[Rui]> but never got around to do it
Nov 08 22:37:43 <JaMa> Wonka: probably haven't mounted /dev in your chroot?
Nov 08 22:37:52 <[Rui]> 0 (default) disabled, 1 s, 2 s , etc...
Nov 08 22:38:07 <TAsn> [Rui], sweet ;P.
Nov 08 22:38:15 <Wonka> JaMa: I have mounted /dev, and when I start zhone, I see a pointer and it follows my finger - so TS is used.
Nov 08 22:38:24 <pespin|away> enjoy runs on gta02 :D http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/581a7187636123c08661719c80f774cf.png
Nov 08 22:38:53 <JaMa> Wonka: and if it's really waywayold with .29 then it does have wrong paths in /dev anyways
Nov 08 22:38:59 <[Rui]> TAsn: so I can now use my method to have a booting system, for the time being, I'll try to make your image boot (perhaps with the stock kernel at first)
Nov 08 22:39:12 <Wonka> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 8 21:33:42 CEST 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux
Nov 08 22:39:17 <Wonka> old enough? ;)
Nov 08 22:39:19 <TAsn> [Rui], I'll still be sad
Nov 08 22:39:35 <JaMa> Wonka: yes any .29 wont be good enough for chroot :)
Nov 08 22:39:41 <Wonka> 'k
Nov 08 22:39:51 <JaMa> I mean chroot to image with paths for 2.6.3*
Nov 08 22:40:08 <[Rui]> TAsn: couldn't boot at all?
Nov 08 22:40:32 <TAsn> [Rui], nope, and I have to use the stock kernel ;(
Nov 08 22:40:43 <TAsn> but even with that
Nov 08 22:44:03 <ferluszt> mrmoku: thank you, it works now
Nov 08 22:45:57 <ferluszt> but now i have an other issue: when i call someone and turn the Speaker Slider to ON theres no sound anymore
Nov 08 22:47:37 <ferluszt> also something with the keyboard wents wrong
Nov 08 22:53:56 <ferluszt> my keyboard problem seems to be this ticket http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1217
Nov 08 23:03:36 <[Rui]> TAsn: just added the following message to the paypal dispute resolution case: Let's make this easier for all: please refund me via Paypal.
Nov 08 23:04:29 <[Rui]> JaMa: I've committed a fix  for eve today, in order to reduce all those freakish window resizes just because the location bar is focused for several reasons :)
Nov 08 23:04:47 <[Rui]> JaMa: in our slow display, it'll be a great help
Nov 08 23:05:43 <TAsn> [Rui], what about the assholes? did they answer?
Nov 08 23:06:08 <TAsn> [Rui], I'm getting really desperate regarding running shr
Nov 08 23:06:10 <TAsn> :|
Nov 08 23:06:11 <TAsn> anyhow, gtg.
Nov 08 23:06:12 <TAsn> night.
Nov 08 23:06:50 <[Rui]> TAsn: on saturday, he said he was looking into it with his post office, but still no answer on "will you resend it back?" so... I just added that.
Nov 08 23:06:54 <[Rui]> TAsn: good night!
Nov 08 23:07:13 <TAsn> oh, you still want the device?
Nov 08 23:07:47 <[Rui]> TAsn: I don't, but before you told me how bad it was happening to be, I had asked him wether he'd send it back
Nov 08 23:07:53 <[Rui]> but haven't ever had any answer
Nov 08 23:07:59 <TAsn> i.c
Nov 08 23:08:07 <TAsn> anyhow, ciao.
Nov 08 23:08:13 <[Rui]> my message tonight hopefully makes it clear that I prefer a refund.
Nov 08 23:08:15 <[Rui]> ciai
Nov 08 23:08:17 <[Rui]> ciao
Nov 08 23:53:27 <pespin|away> partially great news: enjoy plays mp3 ok, but ogg decoding in gst is too much for our poor om-gta02
Nov 08 23:57:48 <max_posedon> pespin|away, have you tried ivorbis?
Nov 08 23:58:06 <pespin|away> max_posedon, is that a gst plugin?
Nov 08 23:58:13 <max_posedon> yes, its int-based gst ogg decoder
Nov 08 23:58:59 <pespin|away> max_posedon, I'll look at it
Nov 09 00:01:54 <Wonka> hmmmm. my current shr-u runs now.
Nov 09 00:02:12 <Wonka> but there's some alignment traps in enlightenment in this mapping:
Nov 09 00:02:14 <Wonka> 40418000-40439000 r-xp 00000000 b3:02 34138      /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3.5.2
Nov 09 00:04:28 <Wonka> btw, where has ventura gone? what's the current browser?
Nov 09 00:05:02 <max_posedon> e-wm-*
Nov 09 00:05:22 <pespin|away> Wonka, eve
Nov 09 00:05:47 <Wonka> ah
Nov 09 00:09:58 <pespin|away> max_posedon, It looks it works better, but can assure now. Can't play music a lot since it's really late, and my headset seems to not work correctly
Nov 09 00:12:39 <max_posedon> yes, it is, I just suggested it too you, try it any time if you want
Nov 09 00:24:14 <pespin|away> max_posedon, I've already changed vorbis with ivorbisdec in recipe :)
Nov 09 01:40:16 <Lopi> anyone around?
Nov 09 02:24:08 <Wonka> is it normal for mokowm to just show a black screen?
Nov 09 02:55:52 <Wonka> hmm... any hint how to get a running application back on the screen in mokowm?
Nov 09 02:59:38 <Wonka> have a running omgps, don't find how to get it back. clicking its icon again makes a message pop up there was another running instance...
Nov 09 02:59:53 <Wonka> (could it just popup the running one maybe?)
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